The aftermath of the Kennedy funeral

Don’t know about you, but I did end up watching some of the Kennedy funeral coverage yesterday. A little maudlin at times, but that’s how funerals are. All in all, it was well-done.

It’ll be interesting to see, when the ratings numbers come out, how Fox did compared with CNN and the networks. Not sure the Fox followers were all that enthralled by the day’s events. As someone on CNN noted, the three brothers are reunited now at Arlington.

And then there’s the political impact, if any. I doubt any GOP votes were swung on health care, but it’s conceivable the day’s emotions galvanized Dems to do it on their own.

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I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
6:45 am

but it’s conceivable the day’s emotions galvanized Dems to do it on their own.

Hiding behind their human shield Olympia Snowe, of course.

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, who has consulted with Ms. Snowe, said: “She is really in it for the policy. When you think of an ideal senator, regardless of party or philosophy, Olympia Snowe really fits that mold.”

I hope you eventually wind up with Susan Collins, McBushie, Grassley, all the other squish RINOs and shove it slam down America’s throat, sneering at us the whole time.

Be sure to parade them around before the cameras so that the American people know who betrayed them to socialism, and can vote accordingly, the first chance they get.

Eddy

August 30th, 2009
6:49 am

I watched some of it. The plot for the brothers offers a spectacular view. I looked at the thousands of white stone markers perfectly arrayed against the green grass. I believe that Arlington and other cemeteries that provide a final resting place are special, even sacred. It will be sad to see the funeral politicized but it will be ad nauseam. He was a man of privilege, full of flaws who seemed to try, at least to me even though I disagreed with most of his philosophy, to atone for his flaws but fell well short. There will be lots of judgments but none of ours will count. Only one does.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 30th, 2009
7:12 am

Our family has thrown an Irish wake or two over the years. My Mom’s was a classic. Teddy’s family did him proud.

The Nation carried The Lion of the Senate into the mission church then halfway down the aisle, stopped and slowly removed the Flag giving Uncle Teddy back to his family. The Matrons covered him in linen and then the Family gave him to God. Such a beautiful moment. I cried.

Redemption? I suspect he’s doing it right.

Aftermath? He understood when to compromise and when not to. We will get our Teddy Bill.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
7:20 am

Look for the libs to call “Georgia” stupid-

Top 25 Georgia high schools by average SAT score

1. Richmond County, John S Davidson Fine Arts Magnet School, 1744

2. Fulton County, Northview High School, 1722

3. Cobb County, Walton High School, 1722

6. Fulton County, Riverwood High School, 1688

7. Fulton County, Alpharetta High School, 1686

8. Fulton County, Chattahoochee High School, 1678

9. Fulton County, Roswell High School, 1671

10. DeKalb County, Chamblee High School, 1662

11. Cobb County, Lassiter High School, 1658

12. Fulton County, Milton High School, 1657

13. Cobb County, Alan C. Pope High School, 1656

15. Cobb County, Wheeler High School, 1640

National average- 1509

None of the City of Atlanta high schools, out of 14, cracked the national average.

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-sat-123218.html?appSession=669190745002263

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
7:41 am

Ms G,

You might get your “Teddy bill”, alright, but it will come a a price. Look for a LOT of elected Congressmen and Senators to loose their job over it. America is not liking this fiasco and until we get some sort of consensus about the details, it would be catastrophic for the Dems to step out on that limb any further. Listen to the people, Ms. G, and listen hard. We are not “brown shirt Nazis” as Howard Dean would have you believe…. far from it. Just concerned citizens who have had enough and are exercising their right of free speech. There is a big difference.

DCB

August 30th, 2009
7:46 am

Regarding the “top Georgia High School SAT scores and the “libs” calling Georgia “stupid” – we need to amend it to be labeled “top public Georgia High School SAT scores”. Its only a “suspicion”, but it would be interesting to see how the Westminsters and Paces and Wesleyans and Stratfords and Savannah Country Day Schools of the state rate if their SAT scores were compared to the public high schools.

jconservative

August 30th, 2009
7:55 am

I Report/ Vast White

“I hope you eventually wind up with Susan Collins, McBushie, Grassley, all the other squish RINOs…”

Careful of your wish sir. The neocon Republicans ran a neocon against the “moderate” Rhode Island Republican senator Chafee. The incumbent Republican eventually lost the election to a very liberal Democrat Whitehouse. That allowed the Democrats to take control of the Senate in January 2007 by a 51 – 49 margin. Had Lincoln Chafee been re-elected the Republicans would have controlled the Senate by a 50 – 50 vote with VP Cheney casting the tie breaker.

But if purity is better than actual practical political results , then good luck to you.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 30th, 2009
7:58 am

Kayaker

Listen to the people! Listen to the People!

Cool. Works for me.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
7:58 am

jcon- If a squish RINO votes exactly the same as a pinko liberal, does it make a sound?

jconservative

August 30th, 2009
8:02 am

Continuing my thought from the previous post….

After the 2008 elections the Democratic majority in the Senate Judiciary committee sat on the last 34 Federal District judges nominated by Bush 43. After Obama was sworn in he submitted a new 34
nominations, all liberal Democrats. All with lifetime appointments.
The neocon adventure in Rhode Island cost the conservative movement 34 federal judges.

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
8:03 am

You conservatives out there that don’t care for our current healthcare system don’t have to stall too much longer before the Republican plan starts up. Be patient. After all, the Republicans passed the bill in 2003 but only scheduled it to start in 2010. Read all about it here. Voucher, anyone. Give me a show of hands. Show your support for all things GOP. How ’bout those contracts on Americans, courtesy of your Republican party. Funny! I don’t hear them bragging about it. The cowards.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:05 am

The Chargers first string trampled the Falcons first string in an exhibition game but the Falcons third string came back a won the game against the Chargers third string, so the Urinal prances around on the sport’s section front page like they won the Super Bowl.

Maybe every team will play their third string defense in the regular season, you reckon?

And then you can really get obnoxious.

Question

August 30th, 2009
8:15 am

RE: Teddy Bill.

“Socialists and Communists may argue that Obama isn’t radical enough, that he’s much too conservative to be deemed a socialist. Yet their enthusiastic support and words belie that contention. Not just “some conservatives” have implied Obama is a socialist. People on the far left have given some might big hints.”

Michael M. Bates, NYT, March 8, 2009

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
8:16 am

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
7:41 am

Enjoy that right of free speech while we still have it. If Obumer’s FCC chief diversity officer has his way or Obumer’s way that free speech as we have known it may soon end. Keep in mind the Cyber-security bill now in the Senate. I have said it before, Obumer’s power grab makes Dick Cheney envious.

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
8:18 am

If you flip to CNN right now they’re still on 24/7 Swimmer coverage so I’m pretty sure they’ll be able to claim a larger rating number once they add the whole thing up.

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
8:21 am

I was impressed by the priest of what little I saw. Hope to catch the rerun for his complete remarks. Funerals are for the living. I’m very surprised he was buried at Arlington without more of an uproar. Maybe there was and I missed it; haven’t been watching the news much the last couple of days.

I don’t think the House and Senate Democrats can reconcile their differences. Losing Kennedy will hurt just like losing Rosty as Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee hurt Hillary’s plan. Adding tort reform and taking out the public option would bring a few Republicans on board.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Taxslayer- Speaking of cowards, today’s Urinal states that the federal deficit would be substantially less had it not been for the spending of the Bush administration. Of course they also neglected to mention that Bush vetoed the majority of spending legislation that the democrat controlled Congress would have enacted had he not been there to obstruct them, sort of like the wild and uncontrolled spending that we are seeing this very day.

I would post this abomination if I could find it on the web, seems as though the liberals at the Urinal only want the brain dead in Atlanta to gain possession of this enlightening knowledge.

Like lying little children, you libs are.

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
7:41 am

Not to mention selfish and short-sighted. We are only as healthy as the sickest among us.

R Cagle

August 30th, 2009
8:25 am

Democrats just love making a public display of sending their honored dead off to Liberal Valhalla. There is nothing like fascism with a human face.

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
8:26 am

Gelding,

Why wouldn’t he be buried at Arlington? He did enlist in the Army, get thrown out of intelligence training, get sent to fight the Korean War in Paris and get discharged in less than two years after achieving the rank of PFC.

Normal

August 30th, 2009
8:28 am

Good morning, all Happy sunday to you!

WHINER: Your first post, Got a hangover?

Whiner: I never call Our kids stupid, but I must remind you that Georgia is a red state…just sayin’

And Whiner, Don’t like the Falcons, the home team? Why? Are they Liberals? Oh wait, you just don’t like anything, do you? :roll:

Jack

August 30th, 2009
8:28 am

I always wonder how many of these folks with the pithy quips really did vote in the last election.

@@

August 30th, 2009
8:30 am

Dems would come together and DO IT for Teddy?

Talk about superficial…

They’ll be digging themselves a shallow grave, they will.

I’ve never watched any “celeb’s” televised funeral. I don’t expect they’ll be botherin’ themselves with mine.

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
8:31 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:24 am

Bush was responsible for most of the deficit and you know it. HE AND Reagan can claim 90% of the national debt AT THIS POINT.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/BushGW.htm

Normal

August 30th, 2009
8:32 am

We are not “brown shirt Nazis” as Howard Dean would have you believe…. far from it.

No just loud and ill mannered people, exerting their rights to free speech, while denying those that don’t agree with them, theirs. And all by intimidation and shouts. Legally, is that Simple Battery?

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:38 am

And Whiner, Don’t like the Falcons, the home team? Why? Are they Liberals? Oh wait, you just don’t like anything, do you? :roll:

I actually thought about rooting for the NFC against the Denver Broncos in 1999 but after seeing the drunken and insufferable mob known as the “dirty birds,” I happily cheered on Elway to winning his second trophy.

Being at the Dome is like watching mass idiocy set to interminably loud and raucous music.

It would be impossible for me to associate myself with such behavior.

Chop, chop, duuuhhhh, uuuuhhhh, uuUUUHhhhhh.

R Cagle

August 30th, 2009
8:39 am

TnGelding,

The odds of the Democrats agreeing to tort reform are as about as good as their agreeing to a non-union national health service.

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
8:40 am

Another Christian sabbath.

Another Sunday morning hate-fest from the blogs’s ever-present (ooooh!) self-professed Christian.

Niiice.

At least he’s consistently bitter.

“Not sure the Fox followers were all that enthralled by the day’s events.”

Vis a vis, what I just wrote, I think PLENTY of them were delighted, as they fervently wish for the “swimmer” an eternity in their “special place” full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish so he can suffer and burn choke and scream and cry forever and forever until the end of time. BUT, He loves you!! (hat tip George Carlin)

Wonderful people with a beautiful credo, aren’t they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&feature=PlayList&p=32632A2A1A3B4F15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
8:41 am

Normal,

When conservatives speak out against something they disagree with, they are Nazis, trouble makers, disloyal citizens and “loud, ill mannered people”.
When liberals get mad about something, they start blowing things up.

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
8:41 am

All the debt created after Obumer became President is his responsibility. He made the call and the choices that have been made by him once he became the President belong to him and him alone.

Bush made me do it, just doesn’t cut it.

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
8:46 am

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
8:26 am

I WASN’T AWARE HE HAD DONE THAT. MY BAD. But that doesn’t qualify him, if not for his elective office. Like I mentioned above I haven’t been watching much news lately.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html

Normal

August 30th, 2009
8:48 am

Kayaker, yeah, like that bleeding heart liberal, Timothy McVeigh, Right got cha. Oh, and let us not forget that other great Liberal, Eric Rudolph. Yeah, I see where you are coming from…good job. :roll:

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
8:53 am

Gelding,

I’m sorry I didn’t make my sarcasm a little more obvious.

Normal

August 30th, 2009
8:53 am

:-) This is a test for my wife

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:56 am

TN Gelding- So how did Senator Obozo vote on this massive “Bush” spending, other than the war funding which he is all in favor of now?

Bob

August 30th, 2009
8:56 am

Taxpayer, the contract with America was very specific and the repube met the timeline for bringing votes to the house. Which one of the ten items bothered you the most ? I know what bothered democrats in congress the most was the part that made congress follow the laws they imposed on the people. While the lion and many others forced quotas on employers, the libs had as many minorities working in their offices as Robert Byrd’s old headquarters during his grand old days. More do as I say and not as I do liberals.

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
9:00 am

“When liberals get mad about something, they start blowing things up.”

And when the neo-conned gt mad about something, which is to say evry day of their bitter lives, they do one of the following, all THIS year alone:

Hannity and O”Reilly fan Jim Adkisson strolled into a Tennessee church and murdered innocent people for being “liberals”.

Far right wing white supremacist James Von Brunn strolled into the Holocaust museum and murdered a security guard, before doing gawd knows what to the Christ-killers.

Scott Roeder, another right-wing extremist, strolled up to a doctor at church in Wichita, Ks. and shot and murdered him in cold blood.

Richard Poplawski, a right-wing extremist, gunned down three police officers in Pittsburgh, because he feared a non-existent “Obama gun ban.”

And even though it’s old news now, lets not forget another couple of your “conservative” darlings who according to you “…get mad about something, they start blowing things up” – Timothy McVeigh who ended 168 innocent lives and Eric Rudolph who was just a stupid version thereof.

Those among the 179 cases of documented bombings and arson (or attempted) by “conservatives” from 1989 to 2004.

And you were saying what?

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
9:01 am

Thanks for that post, whiner, but I prefer fact over your fantasies. The legislation that the GOP actually passed in 2003 includes a test program for vouchers in place of Medicare and that’s only because they could not get enough support in both houses to make it across the board. Yet, your party leader, Steele, and others in the Republican camp are out now claiming that you’re maintaining Medicare as is. I know how the GOP plays their little game of semantics and I know that their statements regarding maintaining the status quo for current medicare recipients is technically correct but it is not the whole truth and a partial truth is nothing less of a lie. Then, there’s that udderly stupid death camp tripe that your Sister Sarah just cannot get enough of. You should really put her in touch with Isakson so they can kiss and make up.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2009
9:02 am

Look for a LOT of elected Congressmen and Senators to loose [sic] their job over it.

C’est la stuff. If a party isn’t willing to risk some mid-term losses to get crucial legislation passed, they have no business being a political party.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
9:05 am

After the election, then-chairman of the Republican National Committee Mike Duncan noted that the Democratic nominee supported offshore oil drilling, merit pay for teachers, a tax cut for 95 percent of Americans, more troops in Afghanistan and ~~~~~~an end to wasteful federal earmarks.~~~~~~~ “Put simply,” he said, “Barack Obama just ran the most successful moderate Republican presidential campaign since Dwight Eisenhower.”

How do you think he got elected?

jt

August 30th, 2009
9:06 am

“The aftermath of the Kennedy funeral?”

There is a giant expenses bill floating around out there somewhere.

Addressed to the American tax-payer.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2009
9:06 am

Then, there’s that udderly stupid death camp tripe that your Sister Sarah just cannot get enough of. You should really put her in touch with Isakson so they can kiss and make up.

Some of us just had breakfast, you know.

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
9:09 am

“Put simply,” he said, “Barack Obama just ran the most successful moderate Republican presidential campaign since Dwight Eisenhower.”

And yet the clueless BushCo sycophants screamed and wailed and lamented that he IS THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!

Yeah, though his voting record was always PRO-corporate as evidenced by him being the first Democratic candidate for POTUS to EVER out-raise him GOP opponents in corporate contributions.

Good call, conned.

Just like with Bushie/Dickie being “conservatives”…

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
9:10 am

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
9:11 am

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
8:41 am

It’ll take at least a DECADE TO GET THE BUDGET ANYWHERE NEAR BALANCED AGAIN AFTER THE CRISIS BUSH LEFT. Obama is responsible for the stimulus and the auto company help, but that should have happened no matter who was president. Bush should have requested another one earlier, but he punted.

Obama has the reins now and happy days are indeed here again. Now, if big business will step up to the plate and stop needlessly laying off dedicated, skilled, hard-working employees.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/22/BUB519C0C9.DTL&feed=rss.business

Apologies to Dusty. I had pledged not to mention him again. I’ll try to keep that pledge. Let him waste away in Big ‘D’ far from the cheering crowds. He’s history.

(Caps are unintentional.)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 30th, 2009
9:13 am

Well, it was just like that bunch of libruls to be late with everything. After I got back from Billy Bob’s I looked at the TV and they were still preaching and praying and jawing there in the dark at Arlington. Even the TV cameras couldn’t pick anything up. They started out 45 minutes late for the funeral and by the time it was all over they were 2 hrs. late with everything. Somebody in the Kennedy family must of had a bad hair day or something. My missus just set there like she was in a trance, watching the thing. Me, I wouldn’t of watched the thing if they used Kennedy as a dart board.

One thing you got to give us Republicans, we’re right on time. We got My President’s tax cuts passed pronto. And it didn’t take us long to go after this Saddam. But the librul Democrats will still be trying to get this ObamaCare passed a year from now. They’re like a big family where all the members hate each other. They can’t do nothing right.

Anyhow, I ain’t suprized this Kennedy tried to get the Pope to save him. He needed to face death like a man. Of course, he wouldn’t think of bringing in Oral Roberts Jr. or somebody like that to help. That would be too low-church for that bunch.

So maybe today all the TV channels will accept the fact this Kennedy is gone and he ain’t coming back and we can watch the news again. But no, they’ll keep harping about how the politicans are trying to change back from the rule that there’s got to be a special election to fill the guy’s seat. Librul Democrats don’t live by the rules they set to keep a godly Republican from filling the seat.

Have a godly Sabbath everybody and don’t forget to go to church this a.m. before you go back to boozing it up.

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
9:15 am

normal,

There are bad apples in every barrel. I haven’t heard many explosions coming from the Town Meetings or from the Tea Parties as of yet, except for those verbal in content. Just concerned people who feel strongly about an issue that is close to them and their families. Is it only fair to protest when you meet certain criteria? Is free speech relegated to those who only agree with a certain segment of the electorate and are to be called a host of degrading names because you don’t agree with them? I don’t recall any mention in the 2nd Amendment when free speech is not granted to any citizen of the US. It is a right, not a privilege, guaranteed.
Michael Smith’s earlier comment about Bozo’s “diversity chief” on the board of the FCC is a chilling comment. He has publicly stated that free speech is not at the top of his list of priorities and that protest should meet “certain criteria” to be allowed. Can’t wait for the Supreme Court to get that one. Meanwhile, Normal, you can rest assured that, at least for now, my right of free speech is sacred, guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and allows me to protest most anything I want in a non-violent way. It even allows me to disagree with YOU. McVeigh and Rudolph are no better than Ayers and his wife, Angela Davis or that dude that shot the recruiter in Oakland. At least McVeigh is dead and Rudolph is serving three consecutive life terms. Ayers and his wife and Angela Davis are professors in universities teaching our children how to be better revolutionaries. Sort of makes you all warm and fuzzy doesn’t it?

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
9:18 am

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 30th, 2009
8:56 am

The problem was on the revenue side as well. It took over two years for it to recover to the level of Y2K.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2009
9:20 am

RW, I saw your reply re: 538, downstairs. I gather the gist of your objection to his site is that it’s boring. Fair enough. Although I guess it might be useful if insomnia’s a problem for you.

(I was working on the theory that you might’ve been harboring some older disagreements based on Nate’s Baseball Prospectus work going back some years. Darn. That would’ve been fun! I confess to not really knowing that much about Nate’s previous stat-ball geekery, other than some contact with people who knew him from back in that day.)

I’ll let this drop except to say that I tend to value Nate’s opinion because a) he shows his work, and b) is more than willing to report on polling trends that aren’t good news for those of my political persuasion.

And I don’t think, RW, that piece I’d linked made out that there was a “right” answer to the polling question; it was about public perceptions of what is being marketed as a “public plan.” You call it a Trojan Horse, but I, for the record, think that’s a silly thing to say, because the people who are pushing it make no bones about preferring a single-payer plan. The President made it clear last year that if he were starting from scratch, that’d be what he would prefer. Something like ten, twenty million or so people were watching.

back later, if time can be budgeted for Jay’s time-suck

Normal

August 30th, 2009
9:21 am

“Put simply,” he said, “Barack Obama just ran the most successful moderate Republican presidential campaign since Dwight Eisenhower.”

Yes, that is why he got elected. I won’t speak for anyone but me, but I craved a Republican Party that was like my fathers Party, Measured, reasoned, conservative (yes, I said conservative), and fiscally responsible. But what did/do we have religious fanatics, radio hosts who scream, hate, fear, hate, fear. And not to mention the last eight years of chaos. Give me the Republican candidate of the likes of Teddy Roosevelt, or Dwight D. Eisenhauer and I’ll gladly rejoin. But if not, I will spend my money and my time trying to defeat this current Republican gang of “No’s”.
The republican Party simply can’t sell “compassionate Conservative, or “Fiscally Responsible” anymore because they haven’t been for too long. Get the American Talibabtists away from you, quit listening to Radio hosts for your inspiration, and bring back Moderate ideas and people, they you might be believed…but only after you prove you can “Play well with other children” Yes, the other children are the Democrats. They pretty much suck, too. Jus’ sayin’

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
9:29 am

Bob

August 30th, 2009
8:56 am

Tell us all about the GOP’s (via Steele) six-point Healthcare Bill of Rights, the latest contract on america from the GOP.

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
9:30 am

Good morning, all! Another beautiful day in the neighborhood, I see, with peace, love and understanding abounding.

For starters: okay, he’s now with massa in de col’ col’ ground, he’s walked off the pier, taken the deep six, is pushing up daisies and has joined the bleedin’ choir in the great beyond. He’s an ex-parrot. And from the looks of things around here this a.m. his life and legacy didn’t have much of an impact on the order of things.

Folks, take a step back for a minute. Divvying up terrorists and the like into left-right, liberal-conservative is the kind of activity which leads to the polarization threatening to wreck havoc on the socio-political structure. The list of who’s who here is a list of nuts and criminals, no more and no less.

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
9:36 am

“The end of Camelot”. “The Lion of the Senate is no longer with us but his legacy is indelibly etched in our hearts”. “Who will take up the reins and keep the Kennedy dynasty alive?” Who writes this copy?

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
9:37 am

“…no more and no less.”

josef, couldn’t resist!

Here lies Lester Moore: Four slugs from a .44: No Les No More.

Normal

August 30th, 2009
9:38 am

Kayaker 71

August 30th, 2009
9:15 am

As I remember it, Angela Davis was acquitted of her charges in a court of law and Bill Ayers had his charges dropped because of illegal tactics by the FBI. One was set free by a jury of her peers and the other released for illegally obtained evidence. So why are they on the street again?
And now they are living reformed lives. So what, exactly, is your point? And BTW, I respect your right to free speech…that’s what I served for.

Kamchak

August 30th, 2009
9:38 am

Normal @ 9:21

Bless your good heart. Just sayin’

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
9:41 am

And I don’t think, RW, that piece I’d linked made out that there was a “right” answer to the polling question

DB,

You might have slept through the piece you linked to because he very clearly stated what he claimed was the correct answer and it really seemed like the whole point of his absurdly long column about misperceptions that led people away from what he claimed was the correct answer.

I really have no past knowledge of Silver or 538 and the only times I’ve ever visited the site are through links that you’ve left. If those links you leave are to his good reports then I’d to even think how awful the rest of his stuff is.

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
9:44 am

In 1994, the right wing gained control over the House of Representatives on the strength of a series of reforms embodied in the so-called “Contract with America.” The contract ostensibly “aimed to restore the faith and trust of the American people in their government” and end the “cycle of scandal and disgrace” in government. A year later, then-Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-TX) was already plotting to breach that contract by undertaking a project to develop cozier relations with Washington,D.C. lobbyists. High-minded policy goals would take a backseat in DeLay’s pay-to-play system where the success of lobbyists would be dictated not by how compelling a case they could make, but rather by how willing they would be to line the pockets of DeLay and his colleagues. Conceptualized as a tool for the right-wing preservation of power, the “K Street Strategy,” as it became known, created the culture in which Jack Abramoff’s criminal activity was encouraged and rewarded.

Oh! Riiiight. You mean, that Contract on America. I was trying to forget the past and focus on the future but… .

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
9:47 am

Normal at 9:21,

Perfectly said. I agree 100%.

But do you honestly foresee this “epiphany” coming to this GOP?

I predict ONLY after the hijackers and frauds die off and ONLY if a new vanguard of younger ones take up a new banner…

Emory Eagle

August 30th, 2009
9:49 am

Jay,
I read your blog often and generally enjoy your (opposing) viewpoints. However, I usually don’t have time to post, so I try to save it for the times when I disagree with you the most. This little jab at Fox viewers is dumbfounding. I think Fox has been very respectful in its coverage of Ted Kennedy’s death, which is a hell of a lot more than you can say about Fox’s competitors when Tony Snow died. And as someone who enjoys Fox News, I did indeed turn into the funeral. I’m not sure that anyone was “enthralled” by the days events- it’s a funeral, for crying out loud! And if I had to guess, Fox’s numbers are probably higher than the others. Par for the course.

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
9:54 am

Kayaker:

“The end of Camelot”.
And not a minute too soon in a democracy.

“The Lion of the Senate is no longer with us but his legacy is indelibly etched in our hearts”.
I’ll just fall back on being heartless, myself.

“Who will take up the reins and keep the Kennedy dynasty alive?”
I’ve got a slug…

Who writes this copy?

But, pray, can it talk?

The Kennedy dynasty fed into what Florence King called our longing for a touch of the purple. The problem was we set on the throne a dynasty owing its origins to rum-running, smoke-filled backroom, deal-cutting charlatans. Fitting enough for a republic, but hardly scions of Arthur.

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
9:57 am

Normal

August 30th, 2009
9:21 am

“Give me the Republican candidate of the likes of Teddy Roosevelt”

The most sensible thing you’ve said thus far, however, there are no Teddy Roosevelts in either of the two major political parties and these neo-libs are not “Teddy Roosevelt Progressives” nor are these leftwingers any less vitriolic in spewing their own fire-brand hate.

Nice thing about radios and TV’s, they all come factory equipped with on-off switches installed and what is viewed over the Internet depends on what one clicks a mouse to read or watch.

Give me any candidate truly like Teddy Roosevelt over what is seen in the politicians of today.

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
9:57 am

Anybody here seen my old friend John?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed lotta people but it seems the good they die young
I just looked around and he’s gone

Anybody here seen my old friend Martin?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed lotta people but it seems the good they die young
I just looked around and he’s gone

Didn’t you love the things that they stood for?
Didn’t they try to find some good for you and me?
And we’ll be free
Some day soon, it’s gonna be one day

RIP Teddy Kennedy — He came from a rich family; but believed that everyone in America should be equal and free — not just the rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsYscCNWRiY&feature=related

Vinny

August 30th, 2009
10:03 am

Jay,

You just can’t let it go, can you? You libs are so envious of Fox, that you will take the occasion of a mans funeral to denigrate them?

How pathetic

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:04 am

josef: The Kennedy dynasty fed into what Florence King called our longing for a touch of the purple. The problem was we set on the throne a dynasty owing its origins to rum-running, smoke-filled backroom, deal-cutting charlatans. Fitting enough for a republic, but hardly scions of Arthur.

America was made by killing off Indians and taking their land; from the forced labor of slaves; from the Chineese immigrants dying to make a dollar a day on the railroads that connected East To West; from the taking of Texas from the sovereign nation of Mexico — for their land; from Businessman snatching a country (Hawaii) from a queen for profits sake; from Manifest Destiny to Jim Crow — I can go on and on and on. From the Trail Of Tears to the Japenese Internment Camps; if you wanna talk about backbiting and deal cutting charlatans, then the Kennedy’s just fit right in with the rest of America. They, in fact, out Americaned, a lot of Americans — but somehow they’re made into monsters when they are truly what made America, well…..America.

Normal

August 30th, 2009
10:05 am

Josef, elsewhere..,Book o’ the month club… :-)

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
10:06 am

Can anyone image what the leftwingers and environmentalist kooks of today would have said and done when Teddy Roosevelt declared I took the isthmus and then built the Panama Canal?

Or, what the the rightwingers would have said and done when Teddy Roosevelt busted the trust monopolies?

Yeah, give me Teddy Roosevelt any day.

Normal

August 30th, 2009
10:06 am

Debbie, well said, and quiter true. :-) (Love those faces)

Normal

August 30th, 2009
10:07 am

QUITE, Darn it, QUITE!

Normal

August 30th, 2009
10:09 am

AmVet: No, I don’t see it happening in my life time, but I’m told miracles do happen…hope so.

@@

August 30th, 2009
10:09 am

Maybe I’m the only one but when I read this at ABC…

Democrats are hoping that Kennedy’s influence in death may be even stronger than it was when he was alive as they push for President Obama’s top domestic priority. Democratic officials hope that invoking Kennedy’s passion for the issue will counter slippage in support for heatlh care reform.

it’s kinda like saying Teddy’s worth more to them dead than alive. Oh dem bounty hunters.

ewww

DoggoneGA

August 30th, 2009
10:15 am

Having read down to this point, I’m still trying to figure out how saying: “how Fox did compared with CNN and the networks. Not sure the Fox followers were all that enthralled by the day’s events.” is a denigration of the Fox network.

What part of “the Fox FOLLOWERS” don’t you understand? It is a statement about the attitides of those who WATCH the Fox network, not of the network itself. But then, even after having it spelled out in plain English – I certainly don’t expect that to stop the charges that Jay is against Fox, but at least we’ll know who does and doesn’t adhere to the first principle of the conned: never let a good lie die.

If nothing else, it’ll be a useful marker.

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
10:16 am

I just cannot wait for Limbaugh’s next mind-numbing prediction. What will it be? Perhaps, Sarah Smiles. More likely, Another Republican drops to his knees in front of Rush. And, what of Hannity. Has he gathered enough new videos to cut and paste a new work of artistic license yet. Then, what would Sunday be without our snake charming bass player, Huckleberry, always playing off key. He should trade it in for a set of drums so he can keep Fred awake.

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
10:18 am

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:04 am

You might want to correct the facts surrounding the taking of Texas. True, Americans did take Texas in declaring it a free and Independent nation, however, America did not take Texas. Texas is the only independent nation to ever be accepted into the union: As it namesake says, it is the lone star state.

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
10:19 am

Doggone, I know.

The worst of the ultra-sensitive and paranoid refuse to grasp that their ranks are filled with the people I mentioned at 8:40.

And gutless as they are, will never even acknowledge it, though NUMEROUS of their cretins posted that very sentiment here moments after the opportunity…

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:22 am

Thanks Normal!! I hate to see someone ream a whole family for being Americans and doing things the good old fashioned American way.

Whine: Of course they also neglected to mention that Bush vetoed the majority of spending legislation that the democrat controlled Congress would have enacted had he not been there to obstruct them, sort of like the wild and uncontrolled spending that we are seeing this very day.

Happy Sunday Whine!! How was services? Anyway, I can’t seem to recall Bush EVER pulling out his veto pen the 6 years that the Republicans held the House, Senate and White house; do you? All that rampant spending on the war and those no-bid contracts didn’t even rate a eyebrow lift from you; but now you’re saying the TWO YEARS that the Dems held the house brought the country to its fiscal knees? Hmmmmmm…….I don’t know, if I was a betting woman; I’d bet that you might be just a weeeee bit prejudiced where Bush/republicans are concerned.

Oh and lay off the Falcons!!! You’re supposed to SUPPORT the home team!!! What are you? Some spy from Louisiana? (Saints)

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:25 am

DDD…
Well put, but don’t leave out Grant’s General Order # 11, Hurlburt’s General Order 168, or Ewing’s General Order #11–we can’t afford to be selective or politically correct…

I agree with you on the Kennedy clan and monsters when, really, they are quite mundane. What I object to is the hagiology we’re off on with them. I will grant they were perhaps political giants, but they were moral midgets and to make saints of them…? Just being a devil’s advocate for real… :-)

NORMAL–not there yet…

As for me, give me a Harry Truman…

@@

August 30th, 2009
10:27 am

Doggone:

I’m pretty sure it was FOX my T.V. was tuned to all day (wasting electricity). I wasn’t watching though. I’m guessing it’ll register as though I was enthralled/viewing Teddy’s funeral.

I wonder if jay has considered the possibility that sometimes glue doesn’t always bring about bondage in conservatives.

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:28 am

Michael — Remember the Alamo? Texas was ruled by Mexico — The Americans/Texans became angry because Mexico did not want slaves in their state; hence the taking of Texas by the Americans.

When the Mexican War of Independence ended in 1821, Texas became part of the new country Mexico. To encourage settlement, Mexican authorities permitted immigration from the United States, and by 1834, it was estimated that over 30,000 Anglos lived in Texas,[1] compared to only 7,800 Mexicans

Partly in response to the Mexican government’s transformation to a centralized government from a federalist model, Texian settlers launched the Texas Revolution in October 1835. The Revolution ended in April 1836, when Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was captured after the Battle of San Jacinto. For the next nine years, Texas governed itself as an independent country, the Republic of Texas. In 1845, Texas was annexed to the United States, becoming the 28th state. Long determined to protect slavery, Texas seceded from the United States in 1861 to join the Confederate States of America. Several battles of the American Civil War were fought in Texas, but most Texas regiments served in other parts of the country. When the war ended in 1865, Texas was subject to Reconstruction until the 1870s.

RW-(the original)

August 30th, 2009
10:31 am

You can’t make an omelette without breaking chicks, right? I don’t know how many lives the senator changed — he certainly changed Mary Jo’s — but you’re struck less by the precise arithmetic than by the basic equation: How many changed lives justify leaving a human being struggling for breath for up to five hours pressed up against the window in a small, shrinking air pocket in Teddy’s Oldsmobile? If the senator had managed to change the lives of even more Americans, would it have been okay to leave a couple more broads down there? Hey, why not? At the Huffington Post, Melissa Lafsky mused on what Mary Jo “would have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history . . . Who knows — maybe she’d feel it was worth it.” What true-believing liberal lass wouldn’t be honored to be dispatched by that death panel?

We are all flawed, and most of us are weak, and in hellish moments, at a split-second’s notice, confronting the choice that will define us ever after, many of us will fail the test. Perhaps Mary Jo could have been saved; perhaps she would have died anyway. What is true is that Edward Kennedy made her death a certainty. When a man (if you’ll forgive the expression) confronts the truth of what he has done, what does honor require?

Ted Kennedy went a different route. He got kitted out with a neck brace and went on TV and announced the invention of the “Kennedy curse,” a concept that yoked him to his murdered brothers as a fellow victim — and not, as Mary Jo perhaps realized in those final hours, the perpetrator. He dared us to call his bluff, and, when we didn’t, he made all of us complicit in what he’d done. We are all prey to human frailty, but few of us get to inflict ours on an entire nation.

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:31 am

Michael H. Smith–well, it wasn’t just the “Americans” in Texas. Plenty of the Tejanos were a part of the Texas independence movemnt and Lorenzo de Zavala, the republic’s first vice-president, designed the lone star flag.

Sammie

August 30th, 2009
10:36 am

* it’s conceivable the day’s emotions galvanized Dems to do it on their own

I certainly hope so. The Dems should have done it prior to the August recess. Granted, playing politics with the opposition is favorable in many situations, but the health care reform package is too important to grapple with. Do it!

@@ 8:30 am
Dems would come together and DO IT for Teddy?
Talk about superficial…
They’ll be digging themselves a shallow grave, they will.

We’re already in a shallow grave, dug by the Iraq war. Billions of bucks right down the old loo loo. The unnecessary war, coupled with tax cuts for the wealthy and almighty, and deregulating everything under God’s heaven has surely placed us in a shallow grave….it has….

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
10:37 am

What are you? Some spy from Louisiana? (Saints)

Worse, DDR! He’s a long suffering White Sox and Bears fan! LOL!!!

He’s still PO’d that da Bears screwed the pooch last year vs. Atlanta…

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:37 am

josef: What I object to is the hagiology we’re off on with them. I will grant they were perhaps political giants, but they were moral midgets and to make saints of them…? Just being a devil’s advocate for real…

josef in DC they have a MONUMENT to Andrew Jackson — one of the most heinous, murderous individuals that ever lived!! He tried to eradicate the whole Indian Nation while spouting rhetoric and quoting the bible! If HE’s considered a hero, how the heck are the Kennedy’s considered worst than him?

Bosch

August 30th, 2009
10:38 am

Who wants to sit around on a Saturday watching a funeral on the TV? I feel that Teddy was a good person, and God rest his soul.

Now – when are they burying Michael Jackson? I might watch that on the TV (j/k) :roll:

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
10:39 am

TnGelding

August 30th, 2009
9:11 am

If you are hoping I’ll defend Bush economic policies you are in for a very serious disappointment. Obumer’s economic policies are no less seriously flawed and equally doomed to fail the American people.

His pork spending plan, which should have been a carefully crafted investment plan, to his cap and trades , which should have made transitions but won’t and will not achieve energy independence, to his government run public no-option healthcare plan, which will not give individual Americans ownership, control or administrative rights over, in essence what is the well being of their lives, is going to end miserably. Of course he will never take the credit for his failures any differently than has Bush.

Obumer hasn’t given business any reason to stop off shore outsourcing or hiring illegal aliens to take American job opportunities from American workers.

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:40 am

DDD–correction on the slavery issue in Texas. The Mexican constitution following independence had abolished slavery, but Austin’s group were allowed to practice the “peculiar institution” in order to develop the cotton industry in Mexico. Slavery and race took on some very peculiar forms in Texas because of this. Among the state’s largest slave holders were free people of color, several of them women, the Texas republic having preserved the Spanish-Mexican rights of women to own and dispose of property in their own names. The heroine of “The Yellow Rose of Texas” was a woman of color. During sece**ion, the Grand Old Man of the Texas Republic, Sam Houston, was opposed and was sent to house arrest on his plantation. The last unit to surrender in that war which can’t be mentioned connected to my name, was the tejano Benitez brigade who, having won the last battle, found out when they got to the fort to deliver their pows, that the war was over and they wound up having to surrender to their captives.

number1ninja

August 30th, 2009
10:41 am

AmVet, there wasn’t a liberal bone in Bush’s body. Spending money has nothing to do with left vs. right, that’s just another fallacy courtesy of Newt and the neocon word butchers.

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
10:42 am

Jay,

Perhaps a few words dealing with the aftermath of the GOP would sit well with your conservative following. Something titled, I AM relevant, I AM. They sound as though they could use a little pick-me-up. It would be the charitable thing to do, given their lack of healthcare coverage.

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:44 am

DDD-I never said the Kennedys were worse than anyone else. If, when lining up the hero-demons of our history, you want my list, Brother Andy is top and unchallenged, but let’s not forget while we’re at it that he elevated the first Indian (Pushmataha) to the rank of general, so if we leave out the Removal, then he sounds like a saint, doesn’t he?

number1ninja

August 30th, 2009
10:44 am

Not that the dems don’t spend too much, of course, but that’s because they’re crooked tools, not because they’re liberal.

Joey

August 30th, 2009
10:45 am

DebbieDoRight (10:04):
Well stated. And impressive as the paragraph stands, alone.

But would that paragraph impress anyone if the next paragraph was your list of America’s monsters?

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:46 am

Worse, DDR! He’s a long suffering White Sox and Bears fan! LOL!!!

OMG!! Then I won’t say anything mean to him today!! Poor man!! I remember my dad had a signed Walter Peyton jersey when we were little, had it for years framed on the wall with these spot lights around it; and when the first grandchild was born, (my nephew Adam); he took it down for one minute, (off the wall); to take a picture of the shirt next to Adam. Well, you guessed it, my brother accidentally dropped something on the picture that sent it tumbling to the floor; in his rush to pick up the jersey amongst the broken glass, he had spilled his coffee all over it!!
To this DAY, my dad cuts his eyes at my brother when he comes home to visit and mutters some really bad words about him under his breath!!!

I am so sorry Whine!!! I know how loyal those Bears fans are!! You go right on ahead and talk bad about Atlanta all you want!! I understand…….

Sammie

August 30th, 2009
10:47 am

Kayaker 71
9:36 am
“Who will take up the reins and keep the Kennedy dynasty alive?”

Probably one of the nephews.

Taxpayer

August 30th, 2009
10:47 am

I know! Let’s cut some of that porky DoD budget. I mean, really. Six hundred and seventy billion dollars annually and all we get for it are troops parading around partially clothed and air superiority over Afghanistan. Better watch out, you hot dog Taliban pilots. We’re gunnin’ for ya.

AmVet

August 30th, 2009
10:48 am

number1ninja, agreed.

The mini-legion, but ever dwindling number, of BushCo sycophants and amazingly easily duped Republiconned, thought that that horrific neo-conservatism was the real deal.

Obviously, it is in most ways the very antithesis to actual American conservatism.

They were just more invested in their enraged and shared anti-liberalism, anti-academia, anti-science dogma to even notice…

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:50 am

number1ninja

“AmVet, there wasn’t a liberal bone in Bush’s body.”

Well, Bush did appoint Michael Guest ambassador to Romania, the first openly gay individual to serve as representative of our country abroad, and Mr. Guest’s partner was at his side as he was sworn in. That sounds kinda liberal to me, but then, what do I know…DADT

DoggoneGA

August 30th, 2009
10:50 am

“Let’s cut some of that porky DoD budget”

And don’t forget that the government can’t do anything right, either. I mean, really, why do we trust them with all that MONEY they’ll just throw away. We should start insisting that our armed forces be privatized IMMEDIATELY so the free market can improve them out of all recognition. Don’t you think?

Michael H. Smith

August 30th, 2009
10:51 am

josef nix

August 30th, 2009
10:31 am

I don’t remember saying it was just the Americans who fought for Texas independence, though, you’ll have to admit Americans do commonly bear the brunt of the blame. Interestingly, few understand that Mexico’s immigration policy at that time into its’ then Texas territory caused Mexico to lose the Texas territory via a welcomed an unarmed invasion by U.S. citizens that had no intentions of assimilating as Mexican citizens.

hmm…..

DebbieDoRight

August 30th, 2009
10:55 am

Bosch: Now – when are they burying Michael Jackson? I might watch that on the TV (j/k)

too funny!!! PS: they, (the family), won’t bury him until they can squeeze every dime out of his cold dead corpse that they can get!!

Joey: But would that paragraph impress anyone if the next paragraph was your list of America’s monsters?

Every country, religion, race, continent and hemisphere has monsters. We are part of the human race, therefore we are not infallible and are not perfect. Some monsters, however, made history and forged nations and some just made widows.

josef: Brother Andy is top and unchallenged, but let’s not forget while we’re at it that he elevated the first Indian (Pushmataha) to the rank of general, so if we leave out the Removal, then he sounds like a saint, doesn’t he?

Too funny!!! Saint Andrew of the Holy Land Grabbers Of Manifest Destiny!! Ha!!