Huckabee: ObamaCare would have abandoned Kennedy
You know, I’m just going to post this from Politico without comment. Because hey, I wouldn’t want to be accused of “politicizing” the death of Ted Kennedy.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee claimed Friday that under the health-care plan proposed by President Barack Obama, Sen. Ted Kennedy would have been told to “go home to take pain pills and die” after he was diagnosed with a brain tumor.
Huckabee made the remark during his radio show Friday while accusing Democrats of trying to use Kennedy’s death to marshal support for the president’s reform package.
“Senator Ted Kennedy’s death had barely hit the news before we started hearing calls that Congress must hurry and pass a health care reform bill and do it in his memory,” he said. “That not only defies good taste, it defies logic.”
“We certainly can and should respect his years of advocacy and work for the things that he truly believed in,” he added. “But easily the worst reason to do it is in the name of someone who gave us the most shining example of why this particular bill is so bad.”
Huckabee then said that seniors would be denied health coverage toward the end of their lives under Obama’s plan, something the former Republican presidential candidate claimed Kennedy would have been subject to as well.
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steven
August 29th, 2009
6:24 pm
Ted Kennedy’s collusion with the cold war era-USSR/KGB to undermine a sitting US president by manipulation of the US media’s liberal bias(1983)….
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30980
(interview with Paul Kengor-political science professor & author,
also see original London Times article)
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
6:25 pm
Two House subs are investigating Charlie Rangle’s finances, the Beach House in the Dominican,, whether Mr. Rangel may have violated the ban on taking gifts worth more than $50 by accepting four rent- stabilized apartments and whether he improperly used his Congressional office to raise money for a charity.
I don’t know if his under-reporting is considered worthy of investigation, but there’s no excuse for a former Assistant US Attorney whose committee is in charge of the tax code. Charlie either needs to communicate fully with his accountants, or better accountants, or both.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
August 29th, 2009
6:30 pm
So let’s recap, talking ill of some dead lib because he abandoned a young lady to an agonizing death, not even summoning help for her, is worse than actually abandoning the young lady to an agonizing death.
Tell us some more about yourselves, liberals.
stands for decibels
August 29th, 2009
6:32 pm
Click your link and you’ll see how credible it is.
Oy. Messed that one up but good. Well, RW, if you’re still around…here’s what I’d intended to link.
Dining awaits, later all.
Taxpayer
August 29th, 2009
6:34 pm
Tell us more about yourself, Andy.
@@
August 29th, 2009
6:38 pm
Jackie:
I was very vocal about my contempt when Teddy was alive. Once he was struck with cancer, I decided to back off (unlike liberals who went after Tony Snow like a pack of rabid animals).
Now that liberals have shown me the light, I’m doin’ my dead-level best to support their evil ways.
You must forgive me however, if I reserve my venom for liberals only.
All’s fair in love and war.
Bruno
August 29th, 2009
6:39 pm
“Perhaps that was obscure. Bruno: should only those who pay for it get clean air, clean water, and clean food? If so, most of us are outa luck.”
Your question is a little obtuse, but in a word: yes. Fortunately, the items you mention here are all within the reach of all but the most destitute among us, so the vast majority of us remain “in luck” and not “outa luck” as you claim. For the most destitute, a variety of charitable and government programs exist to provide the most basic items of life.
In the end, catlady, we must either live in a “hierarchical” society in which people co-exist at different economic levels, or in a society in which we are all “equal” economically. While the “equal” society sounds great in theory, it has failed every time it has been tried. As an issue of “fairness”, many are calling for a health care system which delivers unlimited care to anyone and everyone–i.e equal service for all. And though it is possible to achieve that, the costs will be so staggering that we won’t be able to afford anything else. Call me heartless, but I can accept that people live at different levels, having lived at most of them myself.
Normal
August 29th, 2009
6:41 pm
Whiner…”The good is oft interred with the bones, while the evil lives on” All you want to do is remember the bad and not celebrate the overall body of good work the man did. Yes, he was wrong when he panicked and left Mary Jo, but he has more that made up for it with his total body of good works for the American people. I’m sure your God has forgiven Ted too. Too bad you can’t. Maybe you had better see to your soul first, before con dimming others…just sayin’
Midori
August 29th, 2009
6:43 pm
When the Bushies “retire”, you’ll have lots of fun Andy.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
August 29th, 2009
6:53 pm
All you want to do is remember the bad and not celebrate the overall body of good work the man did.
abnormal- I owe you one, uh, man, I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.
josef nix
August 29th, 2009
7:02 pm
“…the noble Brutus hath told you that Caesar was ambitious, and if were so, it was a grievous fault, and grievously hath Caesar answered it…”
“See to your own soul first?”–well, not if Gogol is about!
“…all’s fair in love and war,,,”
…what the world needs now,,, jus’ sayin
”
NORMAL–gotcha
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
7:10 pm
Josef–
I don’t know if you saw but you asked about umlaut–I pasted it. Windows has charmap and Mac has a way, and there are tons of sites with characters, diacritics, etc. Charmap has hundreds of ‘em.
As to Palin I feel comfortable in casting aspersions. There aren’t enough in the world. Both candidates were an insult to the American people, and McCain’s choice was absurd.
@@
August 29th, 2009
7:23 pm
…what the world needs now,,, jus’ sayin
josef:
Let me know when a mullah signs up for your kinda love/civil unions…something I and many conservatives would be happy to call gay marriage.
I have no idea how mullahs feel about gays in the military. Feel free to ask one.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
7:35 pm
Note to self: Place a pillow on the desk in front of you whenever reading a piece by Nate Silver for the inevitable moment when his mind numbingly boring writing style puts you to sleep and you bang your head.
DB,
Other than the above….and I don’t even recall what you were asking me about the latest attempt to spin zillions of numbers into support for whatever moonbat pipe-dream is being offered up…..one of the problems I have with your link is that he drones on about the public being misinformed because only X amount got the “correct” answer, but if I were confronted with those options I would have said none of the above because what it really is a Trojan horse.
@@
August 29th, 2009
7:38 pm
Teddy’s NCLB still lives on as does his 40 years of “sweeping” immigration (under the rug) reform.
And now I’m questioning why Teddy is being interred at Arlington. I had forgotten all about Teddy’s treasonous tendencies until steve refreshed my memory at 6:24.
Ted Kennedy’s collusion with the cold war era-USSR/KGB to undermine a sitting US president by manipulation of the US media’s liberal bias(1983)….
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30980
(interview with Paul Kengor-political science professor & author,
also see original London Times article)
Oooo…das bad.
TW
August 29th, 2009
7:40 pm
The great debate continues…
Do the likes of ‘w’ and huckabee do more to trash the rightwing or Christianity?
hmmmm….wiping the butt with the Constitution versus wiping it with The Bible…
hmmmmm…..
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
7:41 pm
All you want to do is remember the bad and not celebrate the overall body of good work the man did.
Well he was immensely entertaining during the William Kennedy Smith trial.
josef nix
August 29th, 2009
7:46 pm
Reform–gotcha! I thought I had posted a thank you, but I got thrown on a kilter and if not, please accept my apologies.
@@
I doubt we’ll be having many mullahs signing on anytime soon, but a few brave souls have surfaced…
As for the conservatives and gay marriage–I have posted here before that when you look at who has said (and done) what, when and where, the conservatives are ahead of the liberals in matters of substance. Though I doubt I’ll be “converting” any time soon, I do believe in giving credit where credit is due…
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
7:48 pm
Silver crunches the numbers dispassionately, and he’s non-partisan in fact. He’s a math geek. There’s a lot of useful info on that site and it’s documented. He doesn’t make his numbers up the way it’s done by so many of the repubos here all the time.You’re thinkin’ a more reliable source–the blonds on Faux Noise perhaps?
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
7:49 pm
Sounds like the report’s author disagrees with Jay B about what it says.
The Washington Post has an important front-page story this morning, with matter-of-fact reporting on the importance of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad as an intelligence source and the enhanced interrogation techniques that made him talk. The piece is headlined: “How a Detainee Became an Asset: September 11 Plotter Cooperated After Waterboarding.”
One key source is former CIA Inspector General John Helgerson, who acknowledged that two of the CIA’s “most powerful” enhanced interrogation techniques “elicited a lot of information.”
“Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information,” he said in an interview with the Post.
Taxpayer
August 29th, 2009
7:53 pm
Jay’s blog topics sure do elicit a lot of information.
@@
August 29th, 2009
8:01 pm
josef:
…extended credit? That you have.
Let’s take a closer look at Teddy’s treason for those who choose to avert their eyes from reality.
Kengor: It was a May 14, 1983 letter from the head of the KGB, Viktor Chebrikov, to the head of the USSR, the odious Yuri Andropov, with the highest level of classification. Chebrikov relayed to Andropov an offer from Senator Ted Kennedy, presented by Kennedy’s old friend and law-school buddy, John Tunney, a former Democratic senator from California, to reach out to the Soviet leadership at the height of a very hot time in the Cold War. According to Chebrikov, Kennedy was deeply troubled by the deteriorating relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union, which he believed was bringing us perilously close to nuclear confrontation. Kennedy, according to Chebrikov, blamed this situation not on the Soviet leadership but on the American president—Ronald Reagan. Not only was the USSR not to blame, but, said Chebrikov, Kennedy was, quite the contrary, “very impressed” with Andropov.
The thrust of the letter is that Reagan had to be stopped, meaning his alleged aggressive defense policies, which then ranged from the Pershing IIs to the MX to SDI, and even his re-election bid, needed to be stopped. It was Ronald Reagan who was the hindrance to peace. That view of Reagan is consistent with things that Kennedy said and wrote at the time, including articles in sources like Rolling Stone (March 1984) and in a speeches like his March 24, 1983 remarks on the Senate floor the day after Reagan’s SDI speech, which he lambasted as “misleading Red-Scare tactics and reckless Star Wars schemes.”
Even more interesting than Kennedy’s diagnosis was the prescription: According to Chebrikov, Kennedy suggested a number of PR moves to help the Soviets in terms of their public image with the American public. He reportedly believed that the Soviet problem was a communication problem, resulting from an inability to counter Reagan’s (not the USSR’s) “propaganda.” If only Americans could get through Reagan’s smokescreen and hear the Soviets’ peaceful intentions.
So, there was a plan, or at least a suggested plan, to hook up Andropov and other senior apparatchiks with the American media, where they could better present their message and make their case. Specifically, the names of Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters are mentioned in the document. Also, Kennedy himself would travel to Moscow to meet with the dictator.
Time was of the essence, since Reagan, as the document privately acknowledged, was flying high en route to easy re-election in 1984
Attempting to manipulate an election by establishing a relationship between our media and our enemies. Sounds familiar, don’t it?
@@
August 29th, 2009
8:16 pm
This is how Teddy played the game. He requested a change of his own rule for convenience sake.
Massachussets considers Ted Kennedy’s succession plan
“There is ambivalence in the party,” said the strategist, who has worked for Democratic candidates. “A lot of people are asking, if there was no health care bill, would we even be doing this?”
Moran said that in his discussions with legislative colleagues, the biggest sticking point seems to be whether an interim pick would be allowed to run for the Senate seat in the special election.
“A lot of us believe that giving somebody a leg up or an advantage by giving them the title of U.S. Senator is not right,” he said. “That one issue seems to be the most controversial or the most problematic for members.”
I’m listening to Teddy’s taps right now.
Let’s hope that there are those within the party who aspire to behavior more becoming than those of an alley cat.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
8:19 pm
Wapo’s story was a hilarious farce–typical of the deterioration of WaPo as it becomes a wingnut shill rag. It was a colossal display of stupidity.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/the-wapo-declares-itself-unable-to-find-the-truth/
josef nix
August 29th, 2009
8:21 pm
@@ Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have been “needy” today having to hold my tongue and not say what I was feeling (the “memo” blog). Jay has come through in flying colors and I mean that in the most positive.
josef nix
August 29th, 2009
8:24 pm
Off to Babylon 5. Back later…
@@
August 29th, 2009
8:28 pm
A can of aerosol would do wonders in “refreshing” jay’s O-zone.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
8:33 pm
In addition to Marcy’s cutting WaPo’s article to pieces, attorney Glenn Greenwald skillfully displays how it’s “steno journalism” at its’ worst using the familiar Cheney non-sequitors on how torture works full of sound and fury displaying idiocy. WaPo breathlessly reports Cheney’s absurd claims as if they were breaking news. And as Glenn points out, earlier this week WaPo’s on Greg Sargent posted multiple blogs and articles dissecting the exact same IG report to demonstrate it does zippity do dah over zilch over zero to prove that torture yielded any useful intelligence whatsoever.
In fact, the documents that WaPO breathlessly reported on in the article Weekly Repubo Standard referenced, “do not refer to any specific interrogation methods and do not assess their effectiveness.” in the analysis of the documents used by NYT.
As Glen points out:
ABC News noted that “the visible portions of the heavily redacted reports do not indicate whether such information was obtained as a result of controversial interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding.” TPM’s Zachary Roth documented that “nowhere do they suggest that that information was gleaned through torture,” while The Washington Independent’s Spencer Ackerman detailed that, if anything, the documents prove “that non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information the documents cite in defending the value of the CIA’s interrogations.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/29/post/index.html
TD: Ryan–Finneran–gonna need lots of those after watching the defense in the Red Zone.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
August 29th, 2009
8:45 pm
ABC News noted that “the visible portions of the heavily redacted reports do not indicate whether such information was obtained as a result of controversial interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding.”
Gee, I wonder why they were “redacted?”
Possibly because of the valuable information gleaned from the terrorists therein said report?
duh, Mad Harris, duh
@@
August 29th, 2009
8:56 pm
josef prompted me to take a look downstairs at jay’s “memo” thread. Low and behold, I found something interesting.
Kamchak
5:13 pm
I know you love the South josef just as I do, but this is the kind of thing that I acknowledge as existing just under the surface of many Southerners.
josef nix
6:11 pm
…But, K, I’m not sure she’s a Southerner. I’m not sure she’s even human.
Kamchak
6:29 pm
Wanna bet a shot of Jameson’s on that?
Jay [Bookman]
7:34 pm
Josef, Kam, if you google her name there’s a suggestion she may hail from Pennsylvania.
Which wouldn’t surprise me, really. The tone and language of her rant — unless my ear is mistaken, it doesn’t sound like the southern-style bigot. There’s something ideological and cant-driven about it, which in my experience signifies a northern subspecies of that breed.
Kamchak
8:07 pm
Jay
I sit corrected.
Sure would’ve been nice had jay seen fit to correct Kamchak when he falsely accused me the other night.
I guess I’d have to talk (as josef puts it) “knee-grows” to warrant jay’s attention to detail or lack thereof as was the case with !!?!!MY POST!!?!!
Opportunity knocked…you opened the door, jay.
Watch your step.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:02 pm
Firedoglake now?
Geez….but it explains a lot
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:02 pm
Given the multitude of reasons the Bush government always has for redaction, including covering up their own screwups, I don’t wonder at all.
What’s to the point is the breathless article from WaPo and the breathless standard, and breathless RW claimed there was powerful evidence in the IG report and released KSM documents that torture works, and there was zip over zilch over nada there.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:06 pm
Firedoglake, and EW research and backup what they say. so do I. And It shouldn’t explain a thing.
I notice you were knocking non-partisan http://www.fivethirtyeight.com and Nate. Why?
Also what’s your drive to make sure you either get dropped from your insurance company if you get very sick or you pay throught he nose–you work for one that’s paying you that well?
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:06 pm
EITs, Chadly, EITs, not torture.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:08 pm
Also what’s your drive to make sure you either get dropped from your insurance company if you get very sick or you pay throught he nose–you work for one that’s paying you that well?
There’s another thing you can’t back up if I give you the rest of the weekend. It’s been a tough day for you Chadly.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:20 pm
Hmmmmm
What is your political affiliation? My state has non-partisan registration, so I am not registered as anything. I vote for Democratic candidates the majority of the time (though by no means always). This year, I have been a supporter of Barack Obama. The other contributor to this website, Sean Quinn, has also been a supporter of Barack Obama.
That’s “non-partisan” Nate and I imagine the other times are from somewhere left of the Democrat in the race.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:22 pm
That’s trash talk RW. You have to love the RW method of refuting something. Instead of providing facts and figures–RW simply proclaims “ya can’t back it up.” Actually I can easily. 12 million have been dropped in the last few years because they got sick. 430 Georgians a day get dropped. And in the non-partisan Congress study recently submitted and requested by Repubos and Dems, during the last five years 3 companies in California (large ones like Wellpoint saved $300+ million bucks by cutting 20,000 people because they got sick.
Workers received high marks on performance reviews after policies were rescinded, documents show
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
I suppose you think the figures I’ve posted of the contributions of millions to the Repubos and Blue Dogs who are voting to keep competition from the insurance companies are made up as well. Bestate little Hooker House and Senate in D.C.
http://www.campaignmoney.org/threevotes
Backin’ It Up–which Raises the Question: Does RW need help reading?”
“Lawmakers — Republicans and Democrats alike — decried the practice of canceling policies of ill policyholders and grilled insurance executives about it.
The hearing began a day after President Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation’s healthcare system. But any such overhaul would be incomplete without an end to rescission, said Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.).
The committee investigation uncovered several rescission practices that one lawmaker called egregious, including targeting every policyholder diagnosed with leukemia, breast cancer and 1,400 other serious illnesses. Such investigations involve scouring the policyholder’s original application and years’ worth of medical and pharmacy records in search of any discrepancies.”
j$
August 29th, 2009
9:25 pm
10 dolla’ says the reform that passes will be anything but reform other than in name.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:27 pm
Recission Testimony House, Energy and Commerce Committee that RW Claims Does Not Exist and Cannot be backed up”
According to Dr. RW, patients never get dropped when they have leukemia or breast cancer. It’s a complete figment of my imagination that I claim I’ve seen it day in day out I’ over the years. Recission just never happens. “It’s a myth,” says Dr. RW.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?id=22&view=section&option=com_content&layout=blog&cx=015314877951007841936%3Ansgszcxrcvg&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=recission&sa=Search#1149
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:33 pm
That’s trash talk RW. You have to love the RW method of refuting something. Instead of providing facts and figures–RW simply proclaims “ya can’t back it up.
Chadly,
How does anything in your last two screeds prove that I’ve said I either want people to lose insurance or have ever made the claim they don’t? Please try to focus.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:33 pm
You could be right j$–I’m not able to predict what will happen in the next few months at this point, but….
You must have some inside information on how Waxman and over 60 people in the House will just put their tale between their legs and fold up. You think because stupid senile people like Grassley and Enzley bang on a table, the House is going to go running for the hills, particularly many in safe districts whose voters want public option to the tune of 77%?
Whatcha gonna do with those House Members and the 45 or so in the Senate right now who want public option? You think they’re skeeerrreed of the Senate Finance Six who represent 2.2% of the people in the country?
Waxman reresents a population dozens of times larger and he’s not budging an inch from public option.
The hookers in the Senate work work for insurance, Pharma, and hospitals are not just going to snap their fingers and see the rest of the House and Senate run for the hills.
So I’m sure you don’t mind sharing your facts and inside baseball with the rest of us do you?
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:35 pm
Whoops that’s” tail between their legs. I was dwellin’ on RW’s tall tales. I’m all ears to hear how and why the House members and the Senate will just fold.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:36 pm
Falcons have a lot of bright spots, but San Diego is looking real fine.
nana
August 29th, 2009
9:36 pm
It’s not concern for us, it’s control of us.
j$
August 29th, 2009
9:40 pm
I’ll go back to my original assertion, reform.
They will most definitely pass something…
And it ain’t gonna be “reform”
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:43 pm
RW–
Why don’t you help me then? If I’m misinterpreting you, I’ve thought you don’t want a public option or health care reform. I understand a lot of people are confused about the bills. But I also know that you’re plenty intelligent enough to see what’s going on–so what is it exactly that you don’t like about a public option–a choice between the way insurance works now, and remedying the Medicare donut and the increasing situation where the insured are losing their insurance and employers are dropping it because they simply get priced out of the market.
A lot of the opposition has been due to confusion about what is proposed in the bills out there. But I believe you’re a lot smarter than those who are confused. And I’d be the first to say that the White House needs to define exactly where it is they stand and what they want–because Congress isn’t buying those two agreements with the pharnaceuticals and the hospitals that I’m sure you know were made by Emanuel and the Senate Finance Six “secretly” that leaked.
So help me out. What do you want to happen and why?
@@
August 29th, 2009
9:47 pm
Falcons have a lot of bright spots, but San Diego is looking real fine.
That ^^^ was weird.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
9:53 pm
Chadly,
I want a truly free market option that gets rid of all employer based coverage. Companies could sell across state lines and you could opt out of being covered for things you have no need for. I have no problem if the “reform” then regulates to get rid of benefit caps and prohibit cancellation for any reason other than non payment of premiums with enough of a grace period to ensure that can’t happen frivolously.
As for a “public option” the only thing I would see myself supporting would be a safety net that helps people pay their insurance premium during times of extreme hardship so they wouldn’t lose their private policy.
I would also stress that health insurance is not for maintenance. Pay for that yourself and insure yourself the way you insure your home. Paint it yourself and let the insurance kick in when somebody drops a tree on it. (sorry Bosch!)
DoggoneGA
August 29th, 2009
9:56 pm
Been gone all day hiking, so just having a chance to respond here. My Mother was diagnosed with a glioblastoma when she was 69. We were told that no one was ever known to survive more than 2 years after diagnoses. She was having speech and cognition problems. Her doctor “prescribed” an operation to reduce the size of the tumor so she could regain function and have time to set her affairs in order.
The great majority of the cost was paid by Medicare, and the remaining amount (sorry I don’t know the breakdown) was paid by her supplemental insurance. She did so much better after the operation that when the tumor started to cause problems again her doctor said the operation could be redone and Medicare would again pay for it, but my Mother chose not to have it.
So here we have a situation quite like Kennedy’s: an operable tumor, but a known outcome of no more than 2 years max survival rate after diagnoses…but Medicare would have paid for a 2nd operation…KNOWING it was not going to change the ultimate outcome.
I don’t know what anyone else would call it, but it doesn’t spell ABANDONMENT to ME.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
9:58 pm
Was it really? San Diego is a real contender. They’re arguably much better than the Falcons right now. And the Falcons defense would be punctured by a lot of teams. Your insightful commentary is always much appreciated @@.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
10:01 pm
When I talk about recission, I’m talking about private insurance not Medicare. I’m sorry about your mom. Most glioblastomas as you know well are IV’s and they are very tough to deal with.
steven
August 29th, 2009
10:08 pm
@@; Hey- I enjoyed your political conversion story and understand the inner conflicts your dealing with. In regard to Ted, Catholics believe that sins not dealt with in this life have to be dealt with in the next life. Treason is a sin as much as any and I doubt if Ted ever considered mentioning it in a confessional. The press certainly lacked any journalistic integrity in not covering it…no surprise!
The routine of continually painting conservatives black while liberals ritually whitewash themselves has gone on waayyy toooo long.
Here’s a link to an article about the pharmaceutical industry’s political contributions to the democrat party.
http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/health_sector_donates_millions_to_us_congress
I thought I’d post it because of the redundant charge that keeps poping up on these HC threads that republican’s are opposing HC reform because they’ve been paid off by the drug corporations (it seems the Democrat party is the one holding the lion’s share of evil drug money). That liberal talking point is right up there with the wornout Bush&Cheney oil interests charges. Obama just pledged a couple billion stimulus $$ to Petrobra to drill off the coast of Brazil and George Soros owns most of that company (also Pelosi & Reid are -heavily- invested in n-gas).
I have to agree with AMVET when he expressed disdain in his earlier post for both parties. However the constant demonizing & hatemongering of the(so called)’cristian right’ is getting a little too Nero like for me.
Republicans on HC vs. democrats on HC…same coin different sides…
the concerns on the conservative side of the ‘coin’ are not myths.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
August 29th, 2009
10:10 pm
The libs still haven’t mentioned Tort Reform so how can you take them seriously?
Jay
August 29th, 2009
10:16 pm
Do you consider Barack Obama a liberal, Conspirator?
@@
August 29th, 2009
10:19 pm
Chad:
Please don’t smile at me. You’re just too weird for words.
steven:
Sure thing! If I’m not mistaken AmVet is vested in Petrobas so it’s likely he’s thrilled with Obama’s infusion of mine and your tax dollars to boost his return. While I have no choice but to vote Democrat in my local elections, it’ll be a cold day in hell before I’ll vote (D) in a national election again. (I) is always up for consideration.
If jay’s liberal contributors are any indication of what Democrats represent, I’m finished with them FOR EVAH!!!!!!!
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:
August 29th, 2009
10:25 pm
That all depends on whether he’s kampaigning or not.
Why?
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
10:28 pm
I don’t see how in the world sale of health insurance across state lines ( a frequent argument offered by opponents of real health reform woulld make a dent, and regulation of private insurance companies is lax now.
Coops have always been weak against insurance companies, and most of them have been controlled by the insurance companies anyway. And again in study after study, 94% of insurance anywhere in the US is controlled by a duopoy of two companies.
If it were sold across state lines, there would have to be law that extended across state lines, i.e. federal regulation.
I’m not sure what you mean by “maintainance” but if you mean that insurance or its proposed competition shouldn’t cover preventive medicine, I disagree there. I’m not sure how you’re defining maintenance.
I think both of us realize a lot of money and morbidity is saved when diabetes is caught early and the HbA1C is controlled by relatively inexpensive default Metformin or Metformin and Glypizide, or hypertension is tightly controlled. If colonoscopy catches a lesion early, that’s a lot cheaper with a cure, than an infiltrating tumor that metastasizes because the colonoscopy wasn’t done. About 50% of the US population doesn’t get them even over 50 years old, and a number of insurance companies don’t want to pay for them.
The uninsured won’t get preventive medicine, even the most basic and important, and the underinsured may not get it when the deductibles aren’t met and they can’t afford it out of pocket–often they don’t. So then we get a sicker population of people whose illnesses and long term untreated sequealae could have been prevented.
What’s creating extreme hardship are premium raises that are steady and large, and deductible raises. Again, BCBS bumped their premiums 22% in Michigan a week or two ago. A lot people and businesses can’t afford that. And you didn’t mention pre-existing conditions. In Michigan, there was only one company that will even cover pre-existing conditions–that’s BCBS and if you have them, the premiums are awfully high.
And when people have a so-called catestrophic illness, many of them go into bankruptcy. Right now illness and being dropped by private insurance because of it is the #2 cause bankruptcy in the US.
steven
August 29th, 2009
10:29 pm
@@ There have been times when I could almost have been persuaded…but the arrogance & hate among liberal bloggers is to obvious to ignore. So when in doubt, I flee extremist dogmatics. I have had choices in local elections to vote for all the different partys & have voted for local democrats…but they were reasonable people. I’m chomping at the bit to vote Independant !
Taxpayer
August 29th, 2009
10:32 pm
If jay’s liberal contributors are any indication of what Democrats represent, I’m finished with them FOR EVAH!!!!!!!
And, nevah say nevah either.
Where’s Kamchak when we need him.
@@
August 29th, 2009
10:40 pm
steven:
I picked up on your “cristian right too Nero” comment. Here’s something else I’ve picked up on…I’ve got a dear friend who was always socially liberal. She attends church regularly. She’s become what you might call a NERO-ite. Why?
Because too many liberals are into attacking her faith. She feels threatened by them. When push comes to shove, she will go with her tried and true God.
She and I may not see eye to eye on all matters of faith but I certainly understand how she came to be what she is today.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
10:43 pm
I’m happy to mention tort reform, and it won’t begin to be a complee remedy for the problems we have. Some states already have caps–Texas for one and all of the problems of private insurance companies, the wide spread dropping,, the deductibles, the two insurance companies only available in 94% of Texas still exist.
How much tort reform is opposed by the plaintiff’s bar and stopped by Democrats, I’m not sure since they give heavily to Republicans as well.
In states where caps have been instituted, almost every study shows private insurance premiums go down. Here’s one by Robert Wood Johnson Foundation:
Insurance Premiums Decline in States Capping Malpractice Payouts, Alabama University Study Finds
http://www.rwjf.org/reports/grr/050298.htm
There would be positive premium reductions with a 250 grand cap–no question. But it wouldn’t solve the panoply of other problems.
I’m all for caps everywhere if that’s what anyone means by malpractice reform. The big money settlements are highly concentrated in two specialties–OBGYN and neurosurgery. A high percentage of the suits in OBGYN are maloutcome–birth defects that the docs and nursing staffs could not have prevented. Some of the large awards happen usually not because the docs and nurses weren’t well trained, (most of them far and away had years of good experience), but the ball got dropped when things went wrong fast in an emergency, and someone didn’t do what they should have done in a timely fashion. John Edwards won several of these cases and awards –say what you want about him at this point in time.
The two points you’ll always see conservatives make is that if only there were “malpractice reform” and many don’t bother to define precisely what they mean by that, and if only insurance could be sold across state lines, all would be well in Mudville. That’s just not the case. The other is if only pesrivate insurance could be sold across state lines–everything would be fixed. It wouldn’t change a thing as to private insurance dictating and rationing care, and pricing people out of care as is being done right now. It wouldn’t change recission–the dropping of people by private insurers when they get sick.
Tom
August 29th, 2009
10:52 pm
Dirtbag, Jesus-Crazed Huckabee should be taken out and ….!
AmVet
August 29th, 2009
10:52 pm
“If I’m not mistaken AmVet is vested in Petrobas so it’s likely he’s thrilled with Obama’s infusion of mine and your tax dollars to boost his return.
“That ^^^ was weird.”
@@
August 29th, 2009
10:53 pm
Taxpayer:
I’m signing off until a time that could be sooner rather than later or vice versa.
While you may have a need for the person you mention…I can find no useful purpose whatsoevah.
Worthless is the word that most aptly describes.
Kamchak
August 29th, 2009
10:55 pm
Taxpayer
I’m here, but there is no use in responding to a revolving door of dramatic entrances and exits.
AmVet
August 29th, 2009
10:57 pm
And even if I was invested in some company I’ve never even heard of this part: “…so it’s likely he’s thrilled with Obama’s infusion of mine and your tax dollars to boost his return.” is utter BS and a fallacious cheap shot.
I DO NOT advocate for government bailouts for corporate welfare and corporate criminals. I advocate for these multi-national corporations to act with a modicum of integrity and honesty. Is that too much?
steven
August 29th, 2009
11:02 pm
@@; Your friend reminds me of Moses. Better to trust in God and lose social status, than to trust in a man like Pharoh or bow to his manmade, monumental healthcare statue/god.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
11:06 pm
Great end to the game–out of bounds to stop the clock absolutely what was needed–great timing.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
11:17 pm
There have been times when I could almost have been persuaded…but the arrogance & hate among liberal bloggers is to obvious to ignore.
I’ve noticed the same thing Steven, except I’d substitute the word “conservative” where you wrote liberal. And I’ve also noticed conservative bloggers make sweeping generalizations like “insurance across state lines” and [what I guess they mean by malpractice reform since it's the only modality that has ever worked] caps will cure everything.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
11:27 pm
The same extreme message with no documentation always comes from Fox, Rush, Hannity, Red State, Powerline and Levine.
@@
August 29th, 2009
11:28 pm
I’m here, but there is no use in responding to a revolving door of dramatic entrances and exits.
Try Boudreaux’s Butt Paste if the irritation becomes unbearable.
AmVet:
I said “if I’m not mistaken”. Could have been N-GA. The two of you are so much alike. Somebody here discussed investing in a Brazilian oil company. So it wasn’t you?
No big deal.
RW-(the original)
August 29th, 2009
11:31 pm
Say goodnight Chadly.
Kamchak
August 29th, 2009
11:32 pm
Better to trust in God and lose social status, than to trust in a man like Ronald Reagan or bow to his manmade, monumental supply/side economic model statue/god
Fixed your typo.
Reform Will Happen
August 29th, 2009
11:45 pm
When you muster the energy, RW, you might explain what you mean by maintenance and if under maintenance you mean preemptive, preventive medicine.
number1ninja
August 29th, 2009
11:59 pm
Man, more on this health care fiasco? The next plague will wipe out that problem anyways, give it up already.
Reform Will Happen
August 30th, 2009
12:31 am
Majority Rule on Health Care Reform
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/opinion/30sun1.htm l
Makes sense to me, and I will enjoy the look on the Senate Finance Six’ faces. It’lcl close down their Bunny Ranch setup though.
steven
August 30th, 2009
12:56 am
I gave you 2 links in my post, ‘Reformwillhappen’, none were from your,references to be burned,blacklist. Even if Limbaugh was the messenger, shooting him does’nt disqualify the message. I provided a few links that illustrated the points I made. As for the hatemongering (constant christian bashing and more)that goe’s on here, you have to be biased-blind not to see it.(you’ll probably ignore it in the future too).This blog, present & past is my reference for that that point). Here’s a link for my reference to Obama’s couple of billion tax$$ giveaway to Petrobras;
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html
(look up who the major stockholders are, your own self)
Kamchak; are you content within yourself that you’ve disqualified an
issue/opinion by trifling with typo errors?
What’s this;typical liberal dismissal stratedgy…pick out typos, say the majic word “rush” and uncomfortable truths will disappear ?
Come on, just because you refuse to consider the reverse side of a coin doe’snt mean it’s not real.
Reform Will Happen
August 30th, 2009
1:43 am
Steven–
I wonder what you think of the speech espoused by Malkin, Bachman, Palin, and gresa long list of Repubos in Congress and on Faux–of Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity. They appeal to the lowest common denomiator of eduation IMHO. The Faux anchors and anchoresses remind me of Tina Fey’s parody of Palin. They’re self-parodies.
Limbaugh; is a hypocritical hate monger, and he even lies about his ratings whcih aren’t near what he says they are, but are much lower with a sustained epicenter of whackjobs who listen to him all day. His messages are replete with false statements.
I’m tolerant of religion, although I don’t think it has any place in politics, and of course, that includes Obama. I don’t think it should be politicized–that’s real separation of Church and State. I’m not aware of Christian bashing here, and I’m not interested in connecting religion to political issues. It is amusing to see so-called fervent Christians who want to deny health care to the uninsured and the under insured, and people like Grassley and Palin who are outright serial liars, and where their religion everywhere.
I honestly have not seen “Christian bashing” on these blogs or discrimination against any other particularl religion–maybe there has been bias against the Muslim religion using the facade of patriotism. I don’t believe that Jay Bookman would tolerate religion bashing for a moment on this particular blog–or anyone else would for that matter who runs a newspaper blog.
I do believe that the megachurches often marry politics and religion in ways they shouldn’t and Rick Warren, for example, was particularly egregious in the causes he championed in the name of religion–like gay bashing.
I’ll go back and look at your links–I didn’t see them earlier. I honestly have never heard of Petrobas–I’ll have to look it up. I’ll read the link. My recent concern on giveways have been the bailouts, and Geithner’s obvious bias toward Wall Street. I opposed all the bailouts.
I haven’t been picking out typos–I use a laptop that is way too sensitive with no touch control, and it produces typos and a well known phenomenon where the curser jumps lines that Repubos have tried to distort as poor writing ability LOL or poor grammar LOL again. I’m not critical of typos–I know what they mean–or mispellings–I know they could probably spell it if they proofread it. Same for me.
If I have a document that’s important, I’ll use Word 2010.
Reform Will Happen
August 30th, 2009
1:52 am
Sorry–
people like Grassley and Palin who are outright serial liars, and wear their religion everywhere.
steven
August 30th, 2009
6:17 am
RWH; I’ve watched Beck a few times, Hannity I find annoying, I ocasionally listen to the arrogant gnat-Limbaugh. I also refer to a host of liberal-stilted print’news’ & hatemongering talk show channels. I don’t care about parodies, personalities,wardrobe,etc. – my point is; If they(fox,etc, any source) raises a legitimate question and supports it with facts,references,video-whatever, then it’s worth a listen & consideration. Both conservative & liberal media tend to leave out qualifying details- thats why I try to check both. I trust NBC,CNN and other liberal biased media the least. If a person exclusively selflimits or subject themselves to peer pressure as to viewing/info sources, then I would think they are more prone to being unbalanced,wrong and probably an extremist(not likely to compromise). My previous posts here, were my own thoughts, not someone else’s. Kneejerk liberal dismissals of opposing conservative points of view, as if they were being parroted from Fox or Rush, is NOT honestly addressing the issue/questions- it’s a form of censorship & a suppressive strategy. I listened diligently to Obama all during his campaign and also, now that he’s in office. I honestly can say that I have picked up on outright lies, diliberate deception, misleading statements & unchallenged errors everyday without the help of any commentator or anybody pointing them out to me. Palin’s problems are proportionately small compared to the problems Obama presents. There is no comparison with Palin ,Grassley & McCain, you could add them together and still not measure up to Obama’s falsehoods.
That in itself, is enough to reject his HC plan,as if, our debt/deficit/overspending was’nt enough.
I’m not by myself, ‘RWH’, in recognizing bigoted comments on this blog about Christians.
And personally, I don’t much care for the christian mega church model for my ownself/soul…but they have as much a right to political involment as gays do, or any group.
Sometimes, I think Christians should go on strike and leave pseudo-compassionate liberals to supply, fund & man the soup kitchens, free clothes stores, Church built hospitals & schools around the world out of their own pockets for a novel change. I know ,below poverty income level Christians, who actually gave more to private charity than Obama & the millionaire-Biden put together, before the 2007 election.
I don’t care to listen to ultra leftwing liberals(BO) preaching about “I’m my brother’s keeper”, when they do less personally with their own money,then the people they preach too.
Sorry- it’s people like Obama who are habitual liars and wear their shame with pride.
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
8:18 am
Kamchak; are you content within yourself that you’ve disqualified an issue/opinion by trifling with typo errors?
You betcha.
What’s this;typical liberal dismissal stratedgy(sic)…pick out typos, say the majik(sic) word “rush” and uncomfortable truths will disappear ?
I didn’t say the word “rush.”
Come on just because you refuse to consider the reverse side of a coin doe’snt(sic) mean it’s not real.
I remember a time here in Atlanta where there was no talk radio. For the first twenty-some years of my life, music and honest-to-god news was all that was found on the AM dial. With the demand for stereo and hi-fidelity during the early seventies, music abandoned the AM airwaves and left station owners with expensive assets and a dwindling audience. Many stations switched to an all news format, but that proved to be unprofitable so someone got the bright idea to place a microphone in front of a jerk just to get people to listen. For a very brief initial period–a few weeks at most–talk radio here in Atlanta resembled what the Jerry Springer Show is today. People would call in and report on the shenanigans of their neighbors. Then talk radio went political, but no one mistook it for journalism–it was one guy giving an outrageous opinion in an attempt to attract a reactionary audience. Fast-forward to the mid-nineties and Rupert Murdoch launches the same style of op-ed infotainment TeeVee cable channel and calls it Fox News. This is not news, it is not journalism but many mistake it for such. This infotainment is the same thing that talk radio has been doing for thirty years, only now it has moving pictures to entertain it’s audience, and corporate America has taken notice of the growing number of people accepting this type of infotainment.
Your assertion that I “refuse to consider the reverse side of a coin” is false. I warned my friends thirty years ago that this type of programming would rot their brains. Many did not heed my warnings, and on the rare occasions that we can sit and talk, their dialogue is strikingly similar to your posts.
TnGelding
August 30th, 2009
11:16 am
steven
August 30th, 2009
12:56 am
When did a loan become a giveaway?
steven
August 30th, 2009
12:16 pm
Kamchak…you would’nt purposely try to misrepresent my comments would you ? I specifically mentioned your ‘typo play’ and that was it,sentences later, I referred to RWHappen’s kneejerk “rush” aversion & your typo ‘correction’ together.
I’d bet I’m older than you are (so it’s harder to remember my grammar lesson’s) but I lament the downfall of US journalism and newsmedia-across the whole spectrum. Because, I remember what the whole industry used to be- somewhat balanced in investigation. If you were so perceptive to corruption in cable & AM radio but fail to be offended by and mention the pathetic partisan liars like- Dan Rather, for instance, then your rant is obviously prejudically slanted and therefore -unjust. You mention R Murdoch but ignore GE’s Immelt and his direction of NBC’s sham of a ‘news’ national network. Rather’s & NBC’s distortions were thinly veiled in the past but are openly partisan now…since GE recieved bailout money. Their cap & trade, multi billion contracts, with the US gov have turned them into a outright staterun propaganda service. Leave it to a partisan liberal to pick at cable & AM radio gnats (in righteous indignation) while the corrupted camel train of mass media passes by with a free pass. I suppose a 2-headed coin is the new American/Venezuelean ideal to strive for in liberal democrat minds. ((None (0=zero)of my links posted on this page came from Fox or the rest of the blacklisted crowd but kamchak spills about ignorant mislead masses & rush))?
steven
August 30th, 2009
12:35 pm
PS.
and again,even if some of the issues I raised (here above) were similiar to the liberal’s blacklisted sources,that in it’s self, STILL doe’s not disqualify the points…
Apparently Ted stabbed his countrymen in the back for partisan political gain; D’s recieve more drug money than R’s; and OBama funnels billions of tax$$ to a foriegn oil company (for drilling) which G.Soros has a better than 40% interest in…(just sayin- don’t shoot the messenger- just focus on the message).
steven
August 30th, 2009
1:35 pm
TNGelding;
point taken! I wonder if the return on these gov investments will ever make it back to the taxpayer, go to paying down national debt or just go into another pork barrel spending project. (such as the bailout money banks returned)
(see ya around later-have a nice afternoon)
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
1:44 pm
((None (0=zero) of my links posted on this page came from Fox or the rest of the blacklisted crowd bu kamchak spills about ignorant mislead masses & rush))?
Nope. I still haven’t mentioned rush.
steven
August 30th, 2009
2:07 pm
And unlike TNG you still have’nt adressed the referenced points either…
AM radio presumably means limbaugh to any reasonable person (not intellectually dishonest) and bent in a symantic twist.
good afternoon to you too…
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
2:53 pm
AM radio presumably means limbaugh to any reasonable person (not intellectually dishonest) and bent in a symantic(sic) twist.
Really not a good idea to presume while blogging–chances are someones gonna call you on it. If you are gonna try to put the word “rush” in my mouth, be prepared to prove it. Semantics don’t enter into it.
“reasonable person” is a highly subjective two-word phrase even if you try to qualify it with “intellectual dishonesty.” My idea of what is “reasonable” is not gonna be the same as your idea of “reasonable.” I would never presume that it would be.
You mention R Murdoch but ignore GE’s Immelt and his direction of NBC’s sham of a “news network.”
Which “sham” network is that? I honestly don’t know what you are talking about as I assiduously avoid for-profit infotainment outlets but I did say “…and corporate America has taken notice of the growing number of people accepting this type of infotainment.” GE is as “corporate” as you can get. Are they gonna get their fingers in this infotainment pie? You betcha–profits baby. Oh and by the way, GE is about as conservative a company as you’re gonna find. The amount of bailout money wont match the profits they have made from their contracts with the Dept. of Defense. Just sayin’.
Rather’s and NBC’s distortion were thinly veiled in the past but are openly partisan now…since GE received bailout money.
Dan Rather worked for CBS not NBC—get your facts straight. As for NBC’s “distortion” and being “openly partisan,” I will take this opportunity to reiterate–I do not consume for-profit infotainment. so I don’t know what you are talking about.
steven
August 30th, 2009
5:07 pm
TNgelding apparently read the Wall street Journal article I posted.
@@ read the interview with the political science professor I posted
& the article about pharmaceutical political lobby.
RWhappen apparently went back & read the article links I referenced…
None of my original posts contained any mention of CBS,NBC(not much diff)Limbaugh or the rest of those types. My -opinions- expressed on those media outlets were in response to Liberals bringing them up.
Which I believe they habitually do, so they can trot out on their high horses. So Kamchak, half the day is gone and I’ve given up waiting for you to lift a finger to hit the referenced links for a discussion. It might of been interesting/informative to have a reference from you in retort to any of the articles I posted. Enjoy the wornout horse ride around ring.
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
5:39 pm
Okay steven, I did go back and clicked on the front page site, and was immediately warned by stopzilla that this was an attack site. Not gonna stay there if I get warned. You also referenced The Wall Street Journal—a Murdoch publication, and an article that breaks down the figures that congressmen receive from health care lobbyists (”I’m shocked, shocked to find there is gambling going on here.”) If you are looking for a “silver-bullet” to solve the problems of this country, then campaign finance reform is the solution. When the Supreme Court ruled that money=free speech, was the day we got hosed.
steven
August 30th, 2009
7:20 pm
“Wall street Journal- a Murdoch publication…”
gimme a break! (Care to share any of your holy writ references w/ an ole timer still new to computers)?
“…silver bullet…campaign finance reform….When the Supreme Court ruled that money=free speech, was the day we got hosed”.
True, true!
Don’t sweat the small stuff man…
Have a good week – hear ?
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
8:44 pm
(Care to share any of your holy writ references w/ an ole timer still new to computers)?
I don’t know if I would call it “holy,” but this is what I am passionate about.
Kamchak
August 30th, 2009
8:52 pm
Let’s try another address
steven
August 31st, 2009
12:48 am
Ahh the BBC…I make the foreign rounds myself. Naturally, it took the British press to uncover Ted’s collusion with the USSR,KGB(my first post link)it was an interesting interview to read. I’d think JFK probably rolled over in his grave on that treacherous stunt.
To bad(but convenient for you) that your stopzilla shot that messenger/message for ya. By the way, your Murdoch brushoff routine on the the Wall Street Journal article, did’nt disqualify the validity of that message either.
falc
August 31st, 2009
1:21 am
Hi all,
In Australia here. i just wanted to correct the outright lies being told about public health care. I am very happy with our public health care here. I can see any Doctor I want, I have never waited nore than 1 day to see a doctor for a non urgent matter. I am free to have private health insurance too, and get a tax break if I decide to get such insurance.
I can go to any Doctor i like and pay if I do not like the delays that are inevitable in any public system.
When I took violently ill whilst 200 miles from home, I was admitted to a country hospital, then intensive care, then flown home by air ambulance. Total cost-0.
I can go to hospital free whenever I need to.
No prescription costs me more than $5 au.
All of this is paid for by a 1.5% tax levy.
The funniest thing is describing any of your politicians as socialist.
Form our perspective you have right wing (Dem) and far right loonies (Rep)
none of them would be categorized as a left wing party here at all.
The ammount of outright lies propogated by the oponents of health care disgusts me, and I am used to some Americans being uninformed bigots generally speaking.
Still one has to laugh at the ludicrous lies spead by your anti health care mob, only Americans would believe that rubbish. Its time to wake up and join civilization guys!
Kamchak
August 31st, 2009
9:58 am
steven
You missed my point—my passion is not with the BBC per se but with English futbol. Specifically the professional club Chelsea.
As for my being dismissive of The Wall Street Journal well…that tactic is out of the conservative playbook. The phrase “liberal media” has been bandied about for decades by neocons as a pejorative. Are you outraged because you have been hoist by your own petard?
Pat
August 31st, 2009
2:56 pm
Uh, Huck, remember that stuff about how at the end of time, all liars get thrown
into the “lake of fire with the devil and his angels?” Check out Rev, Rev.
But you’re not officially a preacher anymore – maybe you forgot.
Maybe it’s something in the waterpipes at the Arkansas guvna’s mansion.
Seems one of the past residents had a problem with the lying thing, too.
So, just a friendly reminder – your pants are on fire.
And soon, maybe the rest of you, too.
steven
August 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Sooo… as I said at the top of this page & AMvet said at the begining of this blog;
Democrats/Republicans- different sides of the same(slug)coin.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Democrats/Republicans- different sides of the same(slug)coin
I really wish you would think outside the binary paradigm. This two sides of a coin, black/white, good/evil, us/them, Dem/Repub, liberal/conservative mindset is the result of thirty years of talk-radio programming. This country has +300 million people in it—endless variety.
steven
August 31st, 2009
6:10 pm
I believe my last comment already was out of the binary paradigm.
(neocon seems be one of your favorite words & it’s a good bet your voting record(us/them)is more partisan than mine).