Huckabee: ObamaCare would have abandoned Kennedy

You know, I’m just going to post this from Politico without comment. Because hey, I wouldn’t want to be accused of “politicizing” the death of Ted Kennedy.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee claimed Friday that under the health-care plan proposed by President Barack Obama, Sen. Ted Kennedy would have been told to “go home to take pain pills and die” after he was diagnosed with a brain tumor.

Huckabee made the remark during his radio show Friday while accusing Democrats of trying to use Kennedy’s death to marshal support for the president’s reform package.

“Senator Ted Kennedy’s death had barely hit the news before we started hearing calls that Congress must hurry and pass a health care reform bill and do it in his memory,” he said. “That not only defies good taste, it defies logic.”

“We certainly can and should respect his years of advocacy and work for the things that he truly believed in,” he added. “But easily the worst reason to do it is in the name of someone who gave us the most shining example of why this particular bill is so bad.”

Huckabee then said that seniors would be denied health coverage toward the end of their lives under Obama’s plan, something the former Republican presidential candidate claimed Kennedy would have been subject to as well.

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Normal

August 29th, 2009
8:39 am

Huckabee’s a Christian, right? Go figure…

Normal

August 29th, 2009
8:43 am

Fear, that’s all the Republicans have to play with. No answeres just fear…gonna get your grandpa and grandma…how pitiful…

Vinny

August 29th, 2009
8:46 am

Yeah fear -
“What is truly scary, what is truly risky, is to do nothing,” – Barack Obama, fear mongerer in chief.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 29th, 2009
8:50 am

We will get our Teddy Bill.

Vinny is apparently the timid type.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 29th, 2009
8:50 am

Mornin’ Normal…..

Did you watch Orrin Hatch last night?

Eric

August 29th, 2009
8:51 am

I guess if you’re a “Christian like Huckabee” it’s okay to tell bald face lies in the interest of advancing your political standing among the thoughtfully challenged. In that particular group, I’m guessing he’s quite the hero. For the rest of us, he’s obviously what he is, a liar and a hypocrite. He’a a Christianist.

Question

August 29th, 2009
8:52 am

Normal at 8:43 — Seems PresBO is the master of using fear, gloom and doom, and never let a crisis go to waste as he continues to move his socialist agenda forward… correct, how pitiful!!!

Melancholy Mikey

August 29th, 2009
8:52 am

Man, mike isn’t just a Debbie Downer. He’s a boring Debbie Downer. And ya, this has nothing to do with this topic. I just spent a lot of time reading the “Racist Memo” blog comments.

Oh, and there’s some really vitriolic anti-black and anti-semetic comments right at the end. They’re really toxic.

But at least not as boring as each and every one of mike’s comments.

Just Say No

August 29th, 2009
8:54 am

Question

August 29th, 2009
8:56 am

Now, back on topic, it would be interesting to objectively assess what care for Ted K’s brain cancer would look like under ObamaCare, or Canada/UK/Cuba’s system (assuming Ted K is viewed as an ordinary “Joe Public”).

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
8:58 am

Huckabee belongs right down there at the bottom of the dung heap with his fellow losers, Thompson, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al. Just another ‘compassionate conservative christian republican’ — always thinking about how he can help his fellow man, the republican, screw someone else. :roll:

Normal

August 29th, 2009
9:01 am

Mrs G. No, I missed it, the Little Missus and I went out for lemon pepper wings and fried rice…Yummy! :-)

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:01 am

Cure brain cancer — become a republican. There is nothing between the ears to be concerned about. They come lobotomized at birth.

Real

August 29th, 2009
9:03 am

Just Say No — “It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” – Barack Obama

Eric – seems you meant to say Obama and not Huckabee??

Normal

August 29th, 2009
9:06 am

I don’t believe most of the people buy that stuff. Some will be duped, but not enough to matter. But what Huckabee is really doing is expressing the Republicans biggest nightmare. They fear that Teddy’s death will be the poke in the butt to get it passed. How can they not vote for a healthcare bill that has the name of one of our greatest Senators on it? The irony is just too much…

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:08 am

Huckabee is yet another shining example of what is wrong with so-called christianity in this country. It has been hijacked, for one thing, by pathetic scum-sucking losers that even eat their own in order to advance their master’s cause. Now, there’s true compassionate conservatism.

Vinny

August 29th, 2009
9:09 am

No Teddy bill this year or ever, Godzilla – The American people aren’t buying the warm bucket of snake oil currently being sold by this administration.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
9:10 am

Mornin’ all! Day off from being paid to separate the snot nosed little bast*ds on the state funded playground and thought I’d see how them playing on the grown up playground are getting along. Whoo-whee! That memo blog is a pip, ain’t it…what a way to start the day! Course I just had to respond…that’s why I’m getting here late. Sorry.

TnGelding–left you a than-you for the post, no hyperbole intended in case Jay takes issue! :-)
And
Normal–left you a word of advice there, too!

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
9:12 am

Question–good question and one I’d like to see the answer to as well.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
9:14 am

Vinny…

“No Teddy bill this year or ever, Godzilla – The American people aren’t buying the warm bucket of snake oil currently being sold by this administration.”

Bear in mind, though, what the Chinese say, “Revenge is a dish best served cold.”

Normal

August 29th, 2009
9:21 am

Josef, I thought Spock said that… ;-)

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:28 am

The more interesting question is what does Republicare really look like — past and present. Perhaps the actions, instead of the ‘words’, of these Republicans will help shed some light on that.

RNC Chair, Michael Steele’s pledge to “protect Medicare” comes to us just five months after nearly four-fifths of House Republicans voted to literally end the program as we know it for all Americans younger than 55. Hmmmm. Rationing? Let’s take a closer look.

They cast that vote on April 2 in support of a GOP alternative budget plan that would have converted Medicare from an open-ended entitlement that guarantees seniors virtually unlimited access to care into a voucher system that provides future retirees only a fixed sum of money to purchase private health insurance. That approach, in reality, is nothing more than a variation of legislation Republicans actually passed through the House when they controlled it in 2003.

Are you beginning to see why the Republican strategy is to try to shift the talk to one of what terrible things that Obama wants to do. Well, that’s an easy one.

And, let us not forget where the ‘death panel’ talk really originated either. K.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 29th, 2009
9:29 am

Well, if the Rev. Huckabee says it, I beleive it. A good Christian like him wouldn’t lie. They probly wouldn’t even have a nursing home bed for this Kennedy after they told him he had brain cancer. Which was probly caused by all the librul thoughts that run thru his head all these years.

I don’t know why they got to keep pushing for this ObamaCare when the cure for everything is free of charge. Prayer. Yes, if prayer works to take care of GA’s water problems, it will dang sure work to get rid of a little thing like brain cancer. Where’s Oral Roberts when you need him? I’ll tell you where he is. Dead, on account of nobody done enough praying and yelled “Heal!” when he got sick.

Anyway, God probly wouldn’t of healed this Kennedy anyway. He sinned too much, trying to raise up Those People and pick our pockets to do it. And getting in the way of God’s Plan for old people and kids born poor and lazy–death.

Anyhow, I won’t be watching that phony funeral this a.m. Me and Jim Earl and Joe Bill got a tee time down at Countryland Golf Club. You all can watch it if you want to. But it won’t do no good. I imagine this Kennedy is right toasty right now and asking somebody to turn him over so the other side can get brown.

Have a good Saturday everybody.

Jack

August 29th, 2009
9:40 am

Grandpa & grandma do vote, y’know. And they sure as hell ain’t gonna vote for a politician that scares them.

Duckweed

August 29th, 2009
9:41 am

Duckweed

August 29th, 2009
9:42 am

Duckweed

August 29th, 2009
9:43 am

‘His graveside is the only place I feel at peace. I sit there for hours sometimes.’

National guidelines say doctors should wait 24 hours to give newborns a routine examination because this is when any heart defects can be spotted.

But in letters to the family, the chief executive of East Surrey Hospital in Redhill admitted there had been staff ‘confusion’ and medics ‘did seem to lose sight of Tobias’s particular individual needs’.

Gail Wannell conceded: ‘Tobias did not fall into the category of babies who required the routine 24- hour examination.’

She added: ‘It would have been prudent for Tobias to be examined to see if there were signs of his condition deteriorating.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209771/The-32-hour-delay-cost-baby-life-Mother-sue-failure-examine-sick-child.html#ixzz0PaeqgqYX

AmVet

August 29th, 2009
9:44 am

Huckster Huckabee is in my opinion, just another of their darling frauds who desperately wants to legislate the Republican, slightly updated version of their 1920s “morality”, 1980s trickle down/voo doo economics (hat tip GHWB) and 1520s “science” on the nation.

Which essentially is to say, vilify the weak and glorify the wicked.

All the while he profits immensely and enjoys untold amounts of Jesus lucre in the biggest tax free Ponzi scheme ever created.

And I surmise that he will again stand on a stage full of like-minded losers and repudiated reactionaries as the GOP cranks up their comical circular firing squad one more time.

It has been illustrative to see the monstrous amount of sheer venom unleashed this week by the “Christian” right wing and (im)Moral (non)Majority types here. Desperate beyond measure, this will only hurt their floundering predicament all the more.

So for all you Kennedy/liberal/progressive haters, a stroll down memory lane. See if you can remember this one:

“Our future may lie beyond our vision, but it is not completely beyond our control. It is the shaping impulse of America that neither fate nor nature nor the irresistible tides of history, but the work of our own hands, matched to reason and principle, that will determine our destiny. There is pride in that, even arrogance, but there is also experience and truth. In any event, it is the only way we can live.”

This is the way he lived. My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.

Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world.

As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him: Some men see things as they are and say why – I dream things that never were and say why not.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:47 am

RepubliCare, In the beginning.

Today about four-fifths of Medicare recipients receive care under an unrestricted fee-for-service program: They go to providers for care, and the government pays most of the bills, almost no matter how high they mount. (The remaining fifth are enrolled in private health maintenance organizations.) In 1999, a commission co-chaired by House Republican Bill Thomas and Senate Democrat John Breaux proposed that Washington instead provide seniors a grant each year to purchase health insurance.

Under that approach, seniors would no longer be guaranteed open-ended payment for care, but only a government voucher to help them buy whatever insurance they could afford. The financial risk would decline for government but increase for retirees, whose coverage could vary depending on their health or wealth. In effect, the Breaux-Thomas design would have transformed Medicare from a defined-benefit program into a defined-contribution plan, the same way employers have shifted from providing guaranteed pensions to 401(k) plans in which they commit only to providing workers an annual sum to invest toward retirement.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:50 am

RepubliCare, Coming to a test site near you.

Beyond Breaux, this vision for Medicare — known as premium support — never attracted much Democratic backing. But George W. Bush endorsed it as a presidential candidate in 2000 and pushed it as president. House Republicans voted in 2003 as part of the legislation creating the prescription drug benefit for seniors to transform Medicare into a premium-support system by 2010. But when the Senate balked, the final prescription bill established a six-city test of the voucher plan still due to start next year.

Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a leading GOP fiscal thinker, revived the idea this year by inserting into the House Republican budget an especially aggressive version of premium support. Ryan proposed to maintain the existing Medicare program, which is open to seniors once they turn 65, for all current recipients and anyone else who is at least 55 today. But the bill mandated that all younger Americans, once they turn 65, would instead receive a voucher to purchase private insurance (with sicker and poorer seniors receiving larger vouchers). In Ryan’s proposal, unlike the 2003 Republican plan, new retirees would not even have the option of buying into traditional fee-for-service Medicare once the voucher system is implemented; Medicare as it now exists would disappear once the last retirees still eligible for it passed away. House Republicans backed the GOP budget including that plan to phase out conventional Medicare this April by a vote of 137-38, but it was rejected amid unanimous Democratic opposition.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t we just do nothing. Leave it alone. After all, our current system is working just fine. Right!

Normal

August 29th, 2009
9:53 am

Like Josef said a couple of floors below…genug ist genug…

Brad Steel

August 29th, 2009
9:56 am

“That not only defies good taste, it defies logic.”

That’s one delicious piece of hypocritical irony from another chubby republican bloviator. These guys just can’t keep their moths shut regardless if the temptation is to spew something out or stuff something down.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
9:58 am

Defined contribution — Rationing, the RepubliCare way. By the way, how are those 201k’s looking these days. Anyone care to take a shot at how much worse they would look under the Republican approach to dealing with the economy. Go ahead. Make my day.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 29th, 2009
9:59 am

OK, Jay, so you believe that Obama care will pay $500,000 to 600,000 for every 75 year old to have the level of care TK did?

As you liberals say, “just axing.”

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
9:59 am

L-rd! I never though I’d live to see the day I wished Congress was in session, but when is that convention of village idiots going to get back to doing the job we elected them to do and give us something else to get worked up about? Even those of us, like me, suffering from the pre-exsting condition of diarrhea of the pen are finding it hard to do anything more than repeat the same-old-same-old.

We’re either fer it or we’re agin it.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 29th, 2009
10:00 am

Hey, what do you know, Hickabee finally got one right.

Go figure.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
10:01 am

NORMAL–thanks. Genug already!

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 29th, 2009
10:03 am

Awfully quite up there in Taxachussetts.

Apparently the people weren’t nearly as enamored with Swimmer as the state run media would have you believe.

Randy Hunt

August 29th, 2009
10:05 am

Our health care system is, without a doubt, in need of repair. But we shouldn’t let Rahm Emanuel and his brother, Ezekiel, turn this into yet one more “crisis that shouldn’t be wasted.” If you’re frustrated with our elitist elected leaders ignoring you, please join us on Tuesday, September 8th, for National Pull the Plug Day. Found out more at http://www.PullThePlugOnObamaCare.org

Maxine

August 29th, 2009
10:06 am

So, we have a US Senator and Vice-President using profanity at Sen. Kennedy’s funeral, and everybody is focusing on Huckabee’s remarks. Could be a good thing.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 29th, 2009
10:10 am

ABC News reports that “the idea of naming the legislation for Kennedy has been quietly circulating for months” but was kicked into overdrive by Sen. Robert Byrd, the Democratic Party’s eldest statesman.

One day you will drive through Wist Virginee and along side the road you travel on will be Robert “Grand Wizard” Byrd Memorial Health Care Death Panel and Rest Stop signs every 90 miles or so.

You’ll be like ew.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 29th, 2009
10:16 am

Conservatives should surrender to something that violates their fundamental principles out of deference to the very man liberals celebrate for never abandoning his fundamental principles? No one expected Ted Kennedy to become a champion of free markets out of deference to Ronald Reagan’s memory.-Jonah Goldberg

duh

@@

August 29th, 2009
10:20 am

AmVet:

Who was Ted Kennedy addressing when he said this:

Ted Kennedy — “I only wish Jack could have been there too last night,” he wrote. “Your presence was such a magnificent tribute to my brother. . . . The country is well served by your eloquent graceful leadership Mr. President.” He signed it, “With my prayers and thanks for you as you lead us through these difficult times.”

I’ve made no bones about the fact that I held NO respect for Ted Kennedy. Why? Because Ted Kennedy hailed from a male-dominated clan that exhibited NO respect for women other than to say they should have the right to kill their unborn babies.

No doubt he only afforded them THAT right in case one of the babies was his or THOSE of his philandering clan members.

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
10:22 am

Under the status quo now in place, a large percentage of insurance companies would have functioned as Death Panels, dropping Kennedy’s coverae, and they do it to non-Congress people every day, 430 Georgians per weekday. Cancer is one of the leading illnesses to cause someone to be dropped.

Funny that Huckabee’s party and the Blue Dogs are all paid heavily by insurance companies and Big Pharma to protect the Insurance Death Squads, and kill Kennedy’s bill out of his committee which includes a robust public option.

http://www.campaignmoney.org/pressroom/2009/07/27/elected-officials-voting-against-health-reform-received-65-more-in-industry-campaign-donations-than-those-v

http://www.campaignmoney.org/threevotes

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
10:36 am

RepubliCare — You’re on your own, sucka.

It’s the american way, republican style. Don’t you worry though. Under RepubliCare, the government most certainly will keep its hands out of your healthcare. You’ll have complete control over your last few tax dollars that are currently being withheld from your paycheck. They’ll just give you a voucher and let you decide whether to send it to Exxon or Peabody or UnitedHealth or Bank of America or… .

AmVet

August 29th, 2009
10:37 am

@@, you are entitled you our opinion.

As are the faux Christians who are delighted that “He (EMK) is burning in hell”.

As am I that the festering neo-conned and their faux morality are a BIG part of the explanation why their right wing has been thoroughly decimated in the past two national elections.

“Winners” in 4 out of 67 contests for a jaw dropping 94% losing rate!

Like DiMaggio’s 54 game hitting streak, I doubt very seriously we will EVER see this again.

“Democrats defeated twenty-two Republican incumbents and won eight open Republican-held seats. Republicans won NO seats previously held by Democrats in either the House or the Senate for the first time since the party’s founding. Throw in losing 6 out of 6 governorships and of course, the White House and VOILA!

I pray (get it?) the trend continues, and see no reason why it will not..

Huckabee/Palin 2012.

TnGelding

August 29th, 2009
10:39 am

Just Say No

August 29th, 2009
8:54 am

Doesn’t (3) define where we are already?

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
10:43 am

masala–an very interesting post. An awful lot like Birmingham in the 1960s. May I ask a personal question? What is your background? I am interested only insofar as persepctive is concerned. I am assuming for now that it is South Asian.

As for your post, I am about as far from a Bush and/or GOP fan as you can get, but I agree with you on what you have put forward. Fierce Advocate has been given a free ride and it is long since time the hypocrite be brought to public accounting, starting, in my “narrow interest” cause with DADT.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
10:45 am

“Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living.” –Mother Jones

USinUK

August 29th, 2009
10:46 am

Jo Nix -

been wanting to catch up with you all week … saw your convo earlier this week about Russel Means and movies about native americans …

was wondering if you saw the flick “smoke signals” (mid-1990s) –

TnGelding

August 29th, 2009
10:49 am

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
9:59 am

I’m thinking with 2 or 3 amendments H.R. 3200 might get a few Republican votes. But the House and Senate ever getting together looks iffy.

Kamchak

August 29th, 2009
10:51 am

josef @ 9:59

The word you are looking for is verborrea. I remember that from a supplemental book my High School English teacher made me buy with my hard earned fast-food cooking money called Word Power Made Easy. I think verborrea applies to folks like Ayn Rand and Stephen King not you.

I often wonder what happened to that damned book.

USinUK

August 29th, 2009
10:54 am

kam –

what about nouns and adverbs and adjectives and prepositions and conjunctions and pronouns??? don’t they get their own word, too??? ;-)

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:02 am

TnGelding and Normal–gotcha downstairs…

Kamchak–best book ever printed on the matter. I use it to great success with my advanced fifth graders and give it as a gift to my little diamonds in the rough…Somebody asked me if I read Ayn Rand, told them I hadn’t picked up on her, didn’t want the hernia!

USinUK–We have our own copy of “Smoke Signals!” Gets the Noble Savage thumbs up. He says he’s getting ready to buy him a Cadillac convertible and go drive backward around the reservation for perspective!

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:06 am

USinUk–naw! Great minds run in the same channel. I was thinking the same thing. Equal rights for minority parts of speech! :-)

Speaking of Indian movies, familiar with “The Education of Little Tree?” Another thumbs up from the Noble Savage. Got our copy when Jay’s buddies censored it from the public school libraries after several years on the all-but-required list of reading for cross-cultural-sensitivy in the diversity training workshops….

Kamchak

August 29th, 2009
11:10 am

UsinUK

Conjunctions got their own song.

TnGelding

August 29th, 2009
11:11 am

So how many days did the treatment Sen. Kennedy received prolong his life, if any?

“This is an aggressive cancer. You can throw the kitchen sink at it, and it ends up coming back at you,” said Dr. Rolf Freter, an oncologist with Harbor Medical Associates in Weymouth.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/patriotledger/homepage/x1880507319/Grim-diagnosis-Kennedy-prognosis-is-uncertain

There comes a time. Something we can all look forward to.

stands for decibels

August 29th, 2009
11:14 am

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
11:23 am

Like DiMaggio’s 54 game hitting streak

Maybe not and while that’s technically a true statement Joe D’s hitting streak made it to 56.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:24 am

decibles–in the event of your passing? You mean there may be an alternative? :-)

My Uncle Ralph just loved the eupemisms we come up with, “if something should happen…” etc.
His comment, “you gonna die, Turkey!”
Me? I want no memorial service of any kind, but should those I leave behind in this “vale of tears” go against my wishes in keeping with their current practice, yours is not a bad list at all…

AmVet

August 29th, 2009
11:31 am

Oops! Making mistakes regarding baseball stats in unforgivable!

RW, if you don’t want to answer this question I completely understand and no hard feelings.

If I remember correctly, you said that you were a former pro athlete, right?

My first guess is baseball and the second is golf.

Am I right? Close? Way off?

Tall

August 29th, 2009
11:34 am

Normal, Mrz. Godzilla, Eric….If you are as normal and pragmatic as you think you are, then how about some logical reasoning? I have yet to see anyone from the pro-Government option side offer a way to pay for this. Passing the bill onto the “rich”, as Cynthia Tucker and the President himself suggest, will not work. Did you happen to read the the comments Warren Buffett(one of America’s wealthiest Democrats) made last week? If you think our Asian creditors are going to sop up another debt binge to fund American entiltlement programs, guess again. If this does pass – with Medicaid and Medicare left alone, the dollar will decline in value like a rock sinks in water. The consequences of this are very serious. Russia, China, Brazil and India had meeting in July. The puropose was to determine a way to unseat the dollar as the reserve currency of world commerce.
People around the world are watching us mismanage ourselves into fiscal armegeddon. And they will do something about it. Let’s face it, we all want the best healthcare, but we want someone else to pay for it. Cynthia Tucker alluded to that in one of her posts this week. Those days are coming to an end. Social security benefits were reduced this past week. Actions do speak louder than words. Suggestions, anyone?

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
11:37 am

AmVet

You’re close.

And you weren’t really wrong about your baseball stat because you can’t get a 56 game streak without there being a point in time where you had a 54 game streak.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
11:37 am

RepubliCare abandons everyone in exchange for the all mighty — The Buck. As in, cash, not four-legged (or n-legged depending on its genetically modified makeup via the likes of Monsanto or other lover of one thing green) critter. All [Republicans] hail the all mighty Buck. It is your master and you will do its bidding if you want to ever become anything of net worth — anything with value. Plus, you’ll be able to buy health with enough of them, bucks that is.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
11:40 am

My first guess is baseball and the second is golf

Dang, AmVet. All this time I was thinking Mr. Wrestling II.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:45 am

USinUK–re: Indian movies…I think I may have made mention of it before around here, but Johnny Depp’s “The Brave”…you’re in the UK and should be able to find it there. It has not been released in the US and it’s hard to come by here. To say it’s disturbing would be an understatement. If you do decide to see it, I strongly suggest you make an appointment with your therapist for afterward.

Dusty

August 29th, 2009
11:47 am

Well, the morning flits by as I sadly put away my Braves sombrero. 4/2 sob….but as Churchill said,”We will fight them at first. Hold them at Second. Steal to third. And homer a knockout against all odds!” Yes, yes, Churchill!!!! It doesn’t matter how you play the game. It’s whether you win or lose. (Sombody said that .)

But my thanks to TnGelding for the lovely Argentina piece (and it did NOT include Sanford.). Made me even more anxious to get to the beautiful beach in a couple of weeks. Oh the sea, the sea, the serendipitous sea!!

But I’m a bit discouraged with the start of this morning’s blog. Is not religious bigotry just as bad as racial bigotry? I think so. I don’t believe freedom of speech said anything about religious restrictions. At least Huckabee, Farrahkan, Billy Graham, various mullahs, rabbis and wiccans don’t seem to think so. So I guess everyone can say what they believe within the limits of propriety.

As to Ted Kennedy livid detractors at his death, Jesus said “let the dead bury the dead” and so we find those without a life worth living have much to say about the dead. Kinda sad.

But, cheerup, mon cheries. Today is Saturday when we sleep late, shampoo our curly locks, cut the grass, push the dust under the rug and head to the local Grill for their special super salad of renoun. Oh, and of course, spend many hours blogging great wisdom to the multitudes. Gonna be a great day. Rise and shine or fix lunch. Whatever…!

@@

August 29th, 2009
11:48 am

AmVet:

I wasn’t asking whether I was entitled to my opinion…I was asking who Ted Kennedy was addressing with that statement. I suspect you know but won’t acknowledge grace and eloquence that comes from a principled conservative. <a href=”The Reagans and the Kennedys“>It was Ronald Reagan, Ted was addressing.

Let’s take a look at a rabid partisan hack, shall we?

Kennedy’s assault on Robert Bork was typical game strategy for liberals.

Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is — and is often the only — protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy….

Bronner shows that Kennedy’s false charges against Bork did not derive from some mistake or misinterpretation, but were rather the deliberate acts of a powerful man for whom the ends justified the means:

The tone set by Senator Kennedy in connection with the Bork nomination lives on in the Senate. It also lives on in the mainstream media — see, for example, John Hinderaker’s “A conspiracy so lunatic” — and on the left-wing side of the Internet. Indeed, we have seen it on display this month in the White House/Reid/Pelosi attack on the opponents of Obamacare.

We live in Edward Kennedy’s America not only in the consequential legislation that he sponsored and saw through the Senate, but also in the afterlife of the vulgar political sham on which Senator Kennedy relied to defeat the nomination of Judge Bork.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024376.php

Partisan hacks of the liberal persuasion wanna set the rules of the game and then criticize the other side for refusing to sit on the bench?

No wonder Ted and Obama were so close. They both believe(d) in you gotta Pay to Play in the dirt that is politics.

Two of the worst offenders when it comes to attacking the integrity of Americans.

Bosch

August 29th, 2009
11:54 am

Dusty,

I mistakenly thought the Braves were doing well last night. The mom in law must have had on a re run or something. Sorry. Off to make a BLT!

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:57 am

DUSTY–

“I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull’s way and the whale’s way where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over. ”

- John Masefield

Hope I didn’t offend you last p.m. with that “ain’t got no sense of humor” post to redneck…I was just trying to be funny, bless my heart. :-)

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:59 am

BOSCH–a blt on Shabbas! That’s an Episcopalian for you! How’s the fresh air repair going and how’s your health?

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
12:03 pm

Bosch,

I laughed a huge belly laugh when I saw your Braves comment yesterday. I was tempted to see if you wanted to bet that I could predict the final score.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator (-: You Whine )-:

August 29th, 2009
12:08 pm

WASHINGTON — A leading GOP negotiator on health care struck a further blow to fading chances of a bipartisan compromise by saying Democratic proposals would restrict medical choices and make the country’s “finances sicker without saving you money.”

I got a fitting tribute, let’s stick it in Swimmer’s coffin and bury it with him.

jokerman

August 29th, 2009
12:08 pm

josef nix .. You can buy “The Brave” through Amazon.com for around 27.00.

Taxpayer

August 29th, 2009
12:14 pm

Last month, Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), Citizens Against Ruining the Environment, the Environmental Law and Policy Center, the Respiratory Health Association of Metropolitan Chicago and Sierra Club, initiated the legal process towards a Clean Air Act citizen suit against Midwest Generation LLC (a subsidiary of the energy giant, Edison International), who are the folks responsible for the filth spewing, coal burning relic that is the Fisk Generating Station in Pilsen and its ugly counterpart in the Little Village neighborhood, the Crawford Generating Station. The suit could not have been a surprise to Midwest Gen. Nor to U.S. EPA, as they have filed numerous notices of violation in 2007 against the company’s Midwest Gen’s entire Illinois coal fleet for kicking soot out at illegal levels across the state.

And yesterday, less than a month after our suit was filed (helped, no doubt by the attention of the Washington Post, Chicago Public Radio, and Chicago Tribune) the other shoe dropped.

The U.S. EPA, Department of Justice, and Illinois Attorney General Madigan announced that they would file suit against the company for illegally emitting large amounts of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and particulate matter. These are largely the same claims that we have raised in our 60-day notice and other forums, and we are thrilled to see the aggressive action. You can bet we will stay involved in the fight to ensure that these dinosaurs clean up or close down. And you can also be sure we will continue to sing the praises of the Clean Air Act, it remains a wondrous tool when used correctly.

Go get ‘em. And, make ‘em pay money into a health care fund as well.

Dusty

August 29th, 2009
12:15 pm

Bosch,

No worry. The Braves will soon redeem themselves religiously!!

I thought about you this morning. There was a news report that a tree had fallen on a house in Atlanta and split it into two parts. One of the men living there said he was lucky. A ceiling fan was the only thing that fell on him.

TnGelding

August 29th, 2009
12:20 pm

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
11:24 am

In the ground before sundown!

TnGelding

August 29th, 2009
12:23 pm

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
11:23 am

Tack on another game or two for his marriage to Marilyn Monroe.

Dusty

August 29th, 2009
12:26 pm

Dear josef,

Have no fear! I make no voodoo dolls in which to stick pins! (Well, not many. :roll: ) With your kind heart, I cast little suspicion even when you say you are a liberal. (Well, most of the time!! Sometimes! Not too often!! Hardly ever! Rarely!!)

oh really . . .

August 29th, 2009
12:26 pm

Bruno

August 29th, 2009
12:37 pm

oh really–Don’t be surprised if Obama pushes for an expansion of “hate crimes” legislation to include penalties for “hate speech”.

stands for decibels

August 29th, 2009
12:39 pm

RW, if you’re around this pm, a legit question–just why don’t you find 538 dot com even a little bit credible as a political/statistical analysis source?

Just curious.

I think this post of theirs, on how the term “Public Option” is perceived, is fairly typical–while it’s info that is surely of use to us lefties, it’s not (IMHO) jingoistically so, and includes this graf that assigns blame not in the right’s lap, but elsewhere:

It is tempting to attribute these results to attempts by conservatives to blur the distinctions of the health care debate. And surely that is part of the story. But it may not be all that much of it. Democrats were more likely than Republicans to correctly identify the public option in this poll, but not by all that wide a margin — 41 percent versus 34 percent. Meanwhile, 35 percent of Republicans thought the public option refers to “creating a national healthcare system like they have in Great Britain” — but so did 23 percent of Democrats.

Gotta run but I’ll be back later…

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
12:40 pm

Anybody turned on a television today? Between TK’s funeral and MJ’s birthday you’ve got 700 channels of nothing.

RW-(the original)

August 29th, 2009
12:46 pm

DB,

Click your link and you’ll see how credible it is.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
12:47 pm

jokerman–THANKS! Have you seen it?

TnGelding–and be done with it! Deliver my survivors from seven days of Shivah! If you want to say kaddish, fine…I’ll be no doubt needing all the help I can get there…

DUSTY–got my own collection of dolls and as soon as I can get the Moderator’s finger nail/and or lock of hair, got a gris-gris in the works there. And yes, Dear, I am TOO a liberal. Just no longer the knee-jerk variety. Old age and arthur-itis have cured me of that malady! Thanks for the vote in favor of my kind heart, but it’s the pacemaker. I still get riled and keep the blade and bat handy just in case the quibbles get on my last nerve! :-)

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
12:48 pm

RW–so much for rest in peace!

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
12:58 pm

The post by Masala at 10:34AM above is laughable for its false statements but regrettable because it was plaguerized from a Slate forum and was written on the Slate Forum back in May, 2009. Every statement is easily refuted in that plaguerized post from Slate, and

the original post from which it was pasted is here:

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2789615.aspx

Since the request was made in the plaguerized post to tell Masala again and the original poster at Slate actually why George W. Bush was so stupid, I’m happy to oblige with this excellent list of 400 reasons:

Bush Scandal’s List of 400 Stupid Lawbreaking Moves

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
1:11 pm

RW often criticizes Nate Silver, who grew up as a math genius and has been hired by several major league ball clubs for statistical analysis and is making 6 figures consulting for number crunching. I haven’t found RW’s site where he profers his considerable abilities in statistical and political analysis, which is the basis for RW’s consulting business, and no doubt he will be quick to link me.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com is widely quoted throughout journals and magazines that publish essays from all sides of the political spectrum. I also haven’t seen a SPECIFIC CRITICISM by RW refuting a single point Nate Silver has ever made. I have seen numerous posts that say “I’m RW and I don’t like Nate Silver” which is the usual wingnut standard for documentation reminding me of the unemployed Facebookatrix Palin.

Midori

August 29th, 2009
1:15 pm

if anyone suffers from brain cancer, or a rotting brain, it’s Vinny.

Midori

August 29th, 2009
1:25 pm

Masala’s brain is dangerously close to liquidation as well.

jokerman

August 29th, 2009
1:32 pm

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
12:58 pm

Reform .. great post and rebuttal.

Marsala like Bush is just to lazy to form his/her own thoughts, opinions, and would rather plaguerize someone elses nonsense. I’ts so much easier!

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
1:32 pm

I’m taking it RW isn’t glued to his TV for Obama’s funeral speech.

jconservative

August 29th, 2009
1:35 pm

Just to keep everybody honest including Rev. Huckabee, Obama has NOT proposed a health care plan. My liberal friends say that is why one has not passed congress. Obama has sat on his hands & let congress make
sausage. And that friends, is an ugly process.

AmVet

August 29th, 2009
1:35 pm

Oh I see @@, it was a quiz!

Sorry I didn’t even read the question, making this inaccurate observation, moot: “I suspect you know but won’t acknowledge…”

What one professional liar and corrupted criminal, i.e. career politician, says about another one is generally of no value or interest to me.

What in Hades would I care what ANY of these frauds in Washington say/think about the other?

They scratch each others backs and take their marching orders from their corporate paymasters. And they are now so emboldened they no longer even pretend to represent we the people.

And that has nothing to do with Dems vs. Repubs. or liberals vs. conservatives.

I am simply at the point in my life where I find it baffling that one would use the words grace/integrity with Reagan, Bush, Obama, Kennedy, Chambliss, Pelosi ad nauseum.

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
1:41 pm

AmVet

“I am simply at the point in my life where I find it baffling that one would use the words grace/integrity with Reagan, Bush, Obama, Kennedy, Chambliss, Pelosi ad nauseum.”

I second that emotion…

AmVet

August 29th, 2009
1:42 pm

RW, Yankees vs. Pale Hose on WGN.

But to your point, I always laugh when Comcast calls me up to hock more of their “services”.

In my best Alan Iverson (Practice?) voice I ask, “TV? We’re talking about more TV channels?”

I want to pay less, NOT more. I’ve got sixty channels already now with zippity doo dah on. How about you schmoes go to a cafeteria model now that we’ve “deregulated” here in Georgia? You know, some REAL choice for consumers?

I know I’m a dreamer…

josef nix

August 29th, 2009
1:49 pm

To my fellow liberals jumping knee-jerk on masala’s post–it doesn’t matter where it came from, the fact is that these are legitimate questions with the exception of, in my personal opinion, the night out at the theatre. That was fine by me. But that’s right…Obamita does no wrong. DADT dat…

Reform Will Happen

August 29th, 2009
1:53 pm

I agree with Jconservative although it’s a little more complicated than that. Obama has allowed Emanuel and the pure shills, the Senate Finance Six, who represent all of 2.2% of the population of the US, to negotiate two horrible deals which are probably not going to be part of any law passed. He did so without advice and consent of the House or the Senate committees who have 4 bills that would not honor those deals, and since health care reform will be done by the legislative branch whether it is a hollow shell sham bill or viable public option. The two deals with big Pharma and big Hospital engineered by the very Senators on Senate Finance who are holding up legislation to getl the maximum amount of money from insurance companies, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies would insure that Medicare now headed for “the red” in 8 years because it can’t bid competitively on Part D drug purchases, would jeapordize Medicare and continue the stranglehold that Pharmaceutical companies have on Medicare by paying Blue Dogs and Repubos like simple hookers at the Bunny Ranch.

I think you’ll see some definition from Obama starting next week, but if he chooses to try to pass a bimbo headed bill with phony and completely non-successful over 30 years coops, the way the liars Grassley and Conrad are urging, he’s going to see the House refuse to pass that kind of turkey and he’s well aware of that lnow. Rahm Emanuel is well aware of the fact that Waxman takes no orders from him.

.Waxman Takes on Drug Makers Over Medicare (Blue Dogs, Repubo Slaves to their employers, and Emanuel as well)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/health/policy/26dual.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=waxman&st=cse

How Obama handles healthcare during the next few months i=will be interesting and enlightening. Those who believe viable reform is dead also believe Vice President Palin is governing as an unemployed facebook clown, topping her muddling into the English language day after day, and like a child breaking commitment after commitment–typical of the behavior of decompensated Borderline Personalities.

Midori

August 29th, 2009
1:56 pm

Josef,

Obama “doing no wrong” is not the issue.

The post was just plain and stupid.

Why would someone get all in a tizzy over Obama “bowing” to the Saudi King, when Bush lip locked the man and strolled hand-in-hand with him.

How in the world do you correlate the two?

mike

August 29th, 2009
1:57 pm

“WASHINGTON — Rep. Charles Rangel failed to report as much as $1.3 million in outside income — including up to $1 million for a Harlem building sale — on financial-disclosure forms he filed between 2002 and 2006, according to newly amended records.

The documents also show the embattled chairman of the Ways and Means Committee — who is being probed by the House Ethics Committee — failed to reveal a staggering $3 million in various business transactions over the same period.”

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08282009/news/regionalnews/oops__charlie_forgot_this_1m_house_186849.htm