Here’s a way to double-down into cardiac arrest

It doesn’t come with gravy? What a shame.

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Looks like something from Hardee’s.

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I remember walking into a Burger King when they first had to start posting nutritional information. It was on a poster by the door. I looked at the Whopper and saw if I ordered it without mayonnaise I could cut a fourth of the calories and half the fat grams.

Such a simple thing.

And I saw I could about halve both AGAIN by ordering a Whopper Junior. Which is plenty of food and costs a lots less.

They give us the information. We make choices.

Boy, talk about implications for health care costs…

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Hot damn that looks good.

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It looks a little like something I was served in Austria. It must be yummy!

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thomas

I think a more effective way to address this would be not to tax after the fact, but to reform our entire $$$ and political support of agribusiness and the resultant supply of calorie dense, nutritionally low, extremely cheap food. It’s worth looking into.

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I think a more effective way to address this would be not to tax after the fact, but to reform our entire $$$ and political support of agribusiness and the resultant supply of calorie dense, nutritionally low, extremely cheap food. It’s worth looking into.

Cue Swampy Dave and how the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace always knows best and how dare you, sirrah, think otherwise?

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Actually, KFC is doing some grilling now. I’m literally starving to death, but this particular concoction doesn’t look appetizing. Reporter has been trying to tell us Jay, it’s not our health care system that’s the problem.

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My fellow Americans…Remember, as a nation, we are what we eat. Therefore, America is fast, cheap, and easy…

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If you just stick your head in the sand, life is bliss.

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“Gross!” (Repeat until you believe it. Self-talk helps!) That fat blob reminds me of the old Wendy’s Monterey Ranch Chicken Sandwich that would come and go from the menu. Man, I loved those! But if you’re over 30 still eating that crap, you’re gonna pay, one way or another. “Thin feels better than fat tastes!” Repeat.

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Matilda

“Thin feels better than fat tastes”

You said a mouthful! (of fresh spinach of course)

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Maybe once a year…

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Paul,
But do we not currently tax smokers, drinkers, and other tobacco products? This is done both to the consumer, and to the supplier.

So would it be that hard to tax the distributors, and also the purchase of any type of fatty foods. Or even better just simply add a tax on if a person is obese. Because how do you tax inactivity?

Thats what this is about is inactivity, not bad eating.

Eat what you want but be willing to burn whatever calories you eat.

If not the rest of us will be forced to pay for those people’s lazy decisions

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Oh USinUK beat me to it!

(Thank God a new thread) –

That’s a sandwich? Where’s the bread? Or does the fried chicken replace the bread?

One day I was flipping through the channels and watched Paula Deen against my better judgement for a few minutes and I swear to God, she used two glazed donuts as a hamburger bun – plus the cheese bacon, etc. It took me a good 30 minutes before I could speak after watching that.

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Oh thomas, didn’t see that last sentence.

Guess what? You already ARE paying for people who make bad decisions about what they eat.

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I know that some of our heavier libtards will hit the drive-thru tonight, wearing dark glasses, and order a bag full of the beasties.

It is tempting…….

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Just dropping in to say hello to USinUK and any other irregulars.

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How many of you repubos think that H1N1 is such a delusion that you’ll refuse vaccination if and when it’s available to you?

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Jokes on –

Do you mean regularly irregular or irregularly irregular–as in what could happen to your heartbeat if you eat too many of those big sandwhiches up top?

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“… and a Diet Coke, please.”

LMAO!!

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Turd Ferguson–

Tell me how you’re immune from cancer or catestrophic illness? What’s your secret? Tell me how you’re immune from a glioblastoma IV which is not caused by that pretty sandwhich up top?

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“You know, the most perfectly designed and generously funded health-care system in the world won’t help us much if we keep doing things like this to ourselves”

Which is why I think the attempted takeover of our health care system by the government is completely misguided. I have seen various estimates through the years, that anywhere from 30-60% of “health care” dollars are spent on preventable illnesses related to poor diet, lack of exercise, smoking, excessive drinking, etc. Add to that a substantial amount of fraud and waste, and maybe some of you can understand why I prefer to self-insure, rather than subsidizing all of the nonsense. Government involvement is not the answer, personal responsibility is.

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“Tell me how you’re immune from cancer or catestrophic illness? What’s your secret? Tell me how you’re immune from a glioblastoma IV which is not caused by that pretty sandwhich up top?”

Yes, Public Option, there is a certain probability that you can be struck by an unforseen, catastrophic illness. Which is why catastrophic health insurance makes sense (i.e. $10,000 deductible or more). Once you start including routine medical care as part of your “insurance plan”, it is no longer insurance, it becomes a cost-sharing scheme. And, as I referenced in my above post, because so many people are completely irresponsible about their health, I don’t wish to share costs with them. As a free person, I feel that that should be my choice. Obama plans to fine me 2.5% of my income for choosing my own path.

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Public Option or No Bill

August 26th, 2009
1:07 pm

NO. I will not tell you. Its my personal secret. Now get back in THAT TOILET!

*FLUSH*

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So in the 51 and 60 votes category what’s gonna happen in Masoochewsetts? How will Patrick play it?

Law says 145-160 days whcih on the street is 5-6 months. The way it’s lookin’ to me the Dems need every vote in the Senate they can get . Jeff Bingaman one of the Senate Finance Six has indicated that he’ll vote for a public option and he’s had it with the rest of the slaves to big insurance on his SF committee. The law is a convoluted mess to change, but Patrick can appoint an immediate successor if the Mass. legislature fast tracks it when they come back Tuesday 8 Sept.

This particular problem the Dems brought on themselves in 2004, when they changed the law because they wanted to deny Romney ability to name Kerry’s successor had he won.

I don’t see Snowe or any other repubo voting for a dem bill of any kind so it’s going to have to be a divided two or three part bill with public option passed via Reconciliation (51 votes).

Whatever the bill is remains undefined as it gets. House ain’t budging without public option and there are about 41 votes for that in the Senate now.

Go to Arby’s–you can get 5 for $5.

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The title could be “Health Care Reform – The Rest of the Story”. However, I do wonder what foods we should really be removing from our diets versus what we think needs to be removed. If you think things like global warming (or, climate change for the Walruses of the world) studies come under a lot of attack, well… Anyway, we gave up all carbonated beverages several years ago and we have significantly reduced our intake of sugar and high fructose corn syrup and plain corn syrup. We are substituting things like honey and naturally sweet foods, such as berries, melons, etc., in their place. But, I refuse to give up my homemade biscuits (I make good biscuits) and gravy and butter and fig preserves, etc. It just ain’t happenin’. They’ll have to pry my can of Crisco from my cold dead hands.

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Congrats Bruno on your amazing courage…so nice that it let’s you look down on all the corporate drones.

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“They’ll have to pry my can of Crisco from my cold dead hands”

Switch to lard…it cooks better, and believe it or not it’s MUCH better for you than Crisco.

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“point you to articles which question the benefits of most vaccines”

Question, but don’t prove the lack of benefit. Tell that to all the kids who get polio every year because they are NOT vaccinated. And other vaccinations…like measles…people who aren’t vaccinated are still getting the benefits, because those who ARE vaccinated aren’t getting the disease to give to them. It’s called “riding the coattails”

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Great! We’re very quickly becoming a nation overrun by fata-ss, self-absorbed gluttons.

And the parents of behemoth children like Two-ton Johnny and Susie the Widetrack Pontiac, wail and protest that those evil educators MUST not trample their godless-given rights and therefore their obese little darlings MUST have access to an endless supply of Twinkies and Cokes.

And for gawdsakes NOT the humiliation and discomfort of PE!

At the risk of unleashing more vast amounts of spittle and foam like that from downstairs, John Kennedy (yeah, one of those Kennedys!) would hake in head and wonder, wtf went wrong…

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Matilda,

Come on – they can always give the asthmatic kid up for adoption or divorce his cancer free wife.

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What I’m worried about Bruno is that all the people brave enough to brook the headaches of their small business (admirable) will be priced out of the insurance market–personally and for their employees unless there is competition for the status quo.

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A truly progressive national health care system would realize our economic success has also created many very unhealthy side effects. We don’t get the exercise or diet of an Albanian goat farmer. KFC has to go to the double fried chicken sandwiches to compete in the marketplace with McD’s third pound Angus burgers that we pick up at the drive through so we don’t even have to lift our fat behinds out of the car seat and walk 15 feet into the restaurant. And the Libtards want to give these poor unfortunates who eat this crap free health care paid for by responsible working people like me who diet and exercise.

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“Just dropping in to say hello to USinUK and any other irregulars.”

“JokesOn, long time no see.”

Howdy Gale and JokesOn!!

“Congrats Bruno on your amazing courage”

Anytime, Snarky. And I’ll tell you what, come up with a voluntary plan to provide coverage for those who feel they can’t afford it on their own, and I’ll consider supporting it. Medicaid coverage would easily be expanded to cover those between jobs, etc.

And BTW, you might want to check on the (lack of) success that the Mass. plan has had upon which ObamaCare is modeled in large part. One of the biggest arguments for mandated insurance is the belief that ER visits will go down. In Mass, however, they actually went UP following the institution of the mandate.

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Every newspaper , magazine, and foodie website including Jake’s ole AJC has run scores of articles on the glory of the humongo ginormous burger. That would target a wider demography than Jake envisions as to people who don’t exercise ” regularly and responsibly”. It’s been my experience that people at the lower income end of the spectrum don’t have a lot of time to exercise because many of them are holding down two jobs to feed themselves and their kids.

Responsible docs jake are worried about the healthcare of the 85% insureds like you–many of whom exercise but dispite breaking out of the Metabolic Syndrome paradigm, you’re not immune to catestrophic illness that could deep 6 your insurance.

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Medicaid is so frought with under-reimbursement that most docs won’t accept it. I’m not billing Medicaid when they pay me 2/3 what routine lab costs me–that’s insane. And Medicare is so frought with changes that may not be to the physician’s advantage that an increasing number of docs are refusing it as we speak.

So Bruno–as a small business owner–you’re not troubled by rising rates and deductibles. BCBS increased premiums 22% in Michigan last week?

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“What I’m worried about Bruno is that all the people brave enough to brook the headaches of their small business (admirable) will be priced out of the insurance market–personally and for their employees unless there is competition for the status quo.”

The key word here is “competition”, PO. There are a million and one ways we can lower overall health care costs and provide increased competition in both the health care and insurance markets without government mandates. Obviously, the simplest, most cost-effective measure individuals can take is to practice healthy habits.

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Two with fries please!

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Public Option or No Bill

A real doctor that can spend time on a political blog, both late at night and then during the mid afternoon the next day. Wow. It’s almost like you are not exactly telling the truth, or you just stink as a doctor and need government control of health care so they can hire substandard physicians.

No wait. You were a surgeon that became a GP, which is sort of like a person who is a fighter pilot who became a cab driver. I guess no boo-boos to fix today.

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Brunoooooooooooo –

you missed TOJ!! he popped in downstairs to say hello … evidently he’s doing some gig down in S. America until March – how cool is THAT (sadly, though, he said the humidity has wreaked havoc with his new HD camera)

Nomal –

“Remember, as a nation, we are what we eat. Therefore, America is fast, cheap, and easy”

um. you say that like it’s a bad thing.

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“Medicaid is so frought with under-reimbursement that most docs won’t accept it. I’m not billing Medicaid when they pay me 2/3 what routine lab costs me–that’s insane. And Medicare is so frought with changes that may not be to the physician’s advantage that an increasing number of docs are refusing it as we speak.”

Ever read any interviews with MDs from Europe? They have gone on strike more than once to protest the high patient loads/low reimbursement rates that they are subjected to under full-blown socialized medicine.

“you’re not immune to catestrophic illness that could deep 6 your insurance.”

My personal belief is that if insurance was restored to its rightful place in health care insofar as ONLY covering catastrophic illnesses, it would be fairly inexpensive.

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doggone –

“But bacon fat is too soft to make good biscuits”

I know I’ve mentioned my deep and abiding love of all things Alton Brown – he does a great cookbook all about the science of baking which explains why soft bacon fat is no good for biscuits … I can’t imagine that crisco would be any better … blech … gotta be buttah!!!

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I would like to hear some (start with a few hundred?) of the million and one ways we can lower overall health care costs and provide increased competition in both the health care and insurance markets without government mandates. And how do those suggestions transition from ideas to reality all by themselves? I would also like to know why the members of the health care community, from doctors to well-paid insurance executives to hospital administration boards, haven’t insisted on implementing them. If solutions are simple and the absence of regulation is indeed superior, then why the huge mess?

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Gotta go Bruno but I appreciate your points. I have read a lot of interviews from Europe and articles. The med journals are just popping with them this year as you might expect. The good outweighs the bad by a lot but there is much about Obama’s plan that is undefined at this time and that’s very unfortunate. I hate it when huge laws–whatever they are –wiretapping or social change that’s paradigm shifting gets slapped together in secret at the last minute and that’s where this is headed.

Jay had an interesting thread last week where somehow he got a lot of people from UK to come in and comment.

For doctors who bill a lot of Medicare–the role of this Medicare oversight agency in Obama’s vision is huge and very undefined and I’m for public option but I still fear what this board is doing because it’s just not been defined. And Obama’s made secret deals that have leaked that water down the bill terribly if they survive and that’s an open question now.

Very little attention has been paid to this and Medicare is just a morass of hassle right now for about 9 reasons that have to do with the intermediary that processes those bills and its screwups no matter how efficiently you submit them electronically.

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Jake, you and Bud Wiser, with your libtard word—you must be the coolest guys in the 3rd grade!

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Bruno –

“bailed out of the thread as soon as a new one opened. Typical Gemini behavior, BTW”

mmmm … shiney objects …

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Y’all just need to learn how to enjoy fine southern cuisine. That KFC stuff, like all fast foods, is the by-product of a society gone awry. A true southern meal consists of more than a chunk of fried meat and regurgitated spuds. There’s a big pot of greens and corn bread (to soak up the pot liquor) and corn on the cob and squash casserole and butter beans and boiled okra and a big glass of sweet iced tea with lemon. Then, there’s watermelon or banana pudding or peach cobbler or homemade vanilla ice cream or any number of mighty fine desserts to go with that fresh pot of Chock ful o Nuts. Biscuits are typically reserved for breakfast because you got to have something to go with the gravy and grits and eggs and bacon.

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Taxpayer

[[If you think things like global warming (or, climate change for the Walruses of the world) ]]

Been taking advice from Dr. Luntz?

AmVet

Texas schools this year: no fried food. No soda. No foods of zilch nutritional value.

Bosch 1:36

[[“and believe it or not it’s MUCH better for you than Crisco.” Debating which is better for you: lard or crisco. ]]

Ya’ frakkin’ troublemaker –

OMG, they’ve started….

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“mmmm … shiney objects … ”

Ha ha.

“I would also like to know why the members of the health care community, from doctors to well-paid insurance executives to hospital administration boards, haven’t insisted on implementing them.”

I can only allow you one guess as to the answer to that question, Matilda.

“Jim Fixx died of a heart attack”

(1) There was a history of heart problems in his family.

(2) Moderate exercise is good, extreme exercising not so good.

(3) Sh!t happens, which is something the Libs can’t seem to accept. This vision of free, unlimited health care is pure whack. In every system, health care is limited.

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