Iraq: When the best we can do isn’t very good

Firefighters respond to a bombing near the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in Baghdad Wednesday. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

From the Washington Post:

BAGHDAD — A string of attacks in Baghdad, including two bombings near prominent government buildings, killed at least 95 people and wounded more than 530 Wednesday morning in the bloodiest day in the capital since the withdrawal of U.S. troops from cities.

The attacks happened in close succession late Wednesday morning. The two deadliest bombings targeted the finance and foreign ministries, which are among the most heavily guarded buildings in Baghdad, Iraqi authorities said.

Separately, at least six mortars rained down on two heavily transited locations in central Baghdad, Iraqi officials said. Three mortars targeted the Green Zone, the fortified enclave in Baghdad that contains the U.S. Embassy and many Iraqi government offices.

The bloodiest of the day’s attacks was a bombing just outside the Foreign Ministry that killed at least 47 people and wounded 195, officials said. The massive blast, apparently from a vehicle packed with explosives, was particularly deadly because the government recently removed some of the concrete walls that the U.S. military had erected to protect against car bombs.

The explosion just feet from the ministry building, which is near the Green Zone and close to the Iraqi parliament, left a crater about 80 feet wide and 12 feet deep. Maj. Gen. Jihad al-Jaberi, the head of the Baghdad bomb squad, said the bomb had two tons of explosives.

Unfortunately, I think this kind of thing will go on for a long, long time in Iraq. The surge bought us important time, and that time was put to good use in creating at least a semblance of an Iraqi governing structure and military. But none of Iraq’s basic political problems and ethnic and religious differences have been resolved; if you look back at the benchmarks of progress that President Bush established in his 2006 speech announcing the surge, few have been achieved. There’s still no oil law, no de-Bathification law, no resolution of the situation in Kirkuk and the Kurdish area. In fact, U.S. Gen. Ray Odierno wants to move U.S. troops into that area in hopes of easing the violence there, even as American forces are supposed to be winding down their involvement.

There are some situations in which the best we can do simply isn’t very good. Iraq is proving to be such a situation, and so may Afghanistan.

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AmVet

August 19th, 2009
12:53 pm

This, to the conned, is the picture of “victory”.

And we needlessly gave up 4,331 (and counting) American lives for it…

pat

August 19th, 2009
12:55 pm

To acomplish those goals, we’d have to stay longer. I just hope we stayed long enough to keep the country from being taken over by terrorist. The dangers of leaving to soon is that doing so means we may have to come back. We need to make sure we leave a situation where we will never have to return.
No we should not have been there in the first place, but the genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.

Brad Steel

August 19th, 2009
12:59 pm

Mission accomplished G.W. Bush, May 2nd 2003.

George American

August 19th, 2009
1:01 pm

<THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE ANIMALS WITH NO REGARD FOR LIFE. YOU LIBERALS SHOULD BE THANKING CONSERVATIVES AND THE TROOPS FOR PROTECTING THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

DebbieDoRight

August 19th, 2009
1:02 pm

pat: The dangers of leaving to soon is that doing so means we may have to come back. We need to make sure we leave a situation where we will never have to return.

We have no choice — the Iraqis want us out of their country; and we’ve< (Bush in 2008) already signed the agreement for troop withdrawal and a drawing down of certain troops in certain regions. The only way we could legally go back is if the Iraqi government asks us AND congress approves.

There is basically nothing we can do in Iraq — it’s awful to say, and I know someone is gonna blast me for this; but at least Saddam’s government was STABLE. Brutal, offensive, sans basic human rights; but stable. He had an infrastructure and a productive financial system in place, (until he lost the first gulf war). I know that statement is blasphemy; but imagine Iraq now in the hands of a Taliban like government — and all of sudden Saddam doesn’t look like the biggest booger bear on the block.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:04 pm

“BAGHDAD, Aug. 17 — U.S. troops could be forced by Iraqi voters to withdraw a year ahead of schedule under a referendum the Iraqi government backed Monday, creating a potential complication for American commanders concerned about rising violence in the country’s north. ”

If the Iraqis aren’t concerned, why are we?

Angry Black Man

August 19th, 2009
1:05 pm

Jay

I believe that’s just a peek into what’s about to happen in Iraq. I think all factions are just waiting until we pull out, then all hell will break loose over there. If all you’ve known is tyranny and violence, that’s where you’ll end up. I feel sorry for the innocent people who end up as casualties because of the power struggle there.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:05 pm

Brad Steel

Care to hazard a guess as to when Pres Obama’s gonna accomplish his mission in Afghanistan?

Tom

August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm

Iraq has been but another Missing-Link BushDrunk success story – as all thinking-people knew it would be. Mission Accomplished. Our nation of Patriots and Heroes has easily provided the citizens there with vast inroads into Democracy and brotherly love. Why, even Christianity has has taken hold like wildfire – the only thing slowing it down is the overflow and backlog of applications to join. Iraq is one of our proudest, most cerebral moments. Just ask a Repug. Thank God – now we can concentrate our maximum efforts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, then ever onward. Gee – kinda like a “domino effect.” Praise Geesuusah n God Bluss Murcuh!!

AmVet

August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm

I thought Obozo was going to pull us out of Iraq when he took office. Guess not, huh?

Bosch

August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm

Elaborating on the thread below –

This seems part of the problem with GOPers – they don’t think through the consequences of their actions.

Sure, it seemed a good idea to get rid of Saddam, but THIS ^^^^^ is the consequence of that action – and not one that GWB thought about.

Gale

August 19th, 2009
1:07 pm

In some situations, a dictator is the best government. Saddam certainly was not the best government. His policies increased the sectarian animosity. But yes, on the surface it was stable. The problems in Iraq will not be solved militarily. Diplomatically, all American can really do is encourage the factions to communicate with each other. We should repair the wreck we made of their infrastructure. But as our very presence incites violence, I don’t know how we can manage that.

Broken Promises

August 19th, 2009
1:10 pm

Here are some more broken obama campaign promises:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/

obama lied, people and the economy died.

norman ravitch

August 19th, 2009
1:12 pm

Iraq will again be in the headlines and for the reasons Bookman gives: nothing has been solved with the overthrow of Saddam, nothing has been achieved by the Surge except temporary accomodations. Our troops cannot do any good there; they will simply be targets. The same will be true in Afghanistan. O’Bama needs to review all this; so far he is simply following the failed Bush/Cheney policy.

I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(

August 19th, 2009
1:12 pm

if you look back at the benchmarks of progress that President Bush established in his 2006 speech announcing the surge, few have been achieved.

Of course, it’s our fault.

It has nothing at all to do with the foreign religious fanatics that wish to drag free Iraqi society back into the dark ages of enslavement, brutality of women, murder of the innocents.

Like Obozo says, we are the bad guys.

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:14 pm

Let the people of Iraq solve their own problems.

obama lies

August 19th, 2009
1:15 pm

Broken promise No. 7: Bring troops home in 16 months

On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

His commitment to bring combat troops home by May 20, 2010, and end the war gave him an edge among Democrats over candidate Hillary Clinton.

However, on Feb. 27, Obama declared, “Let me say this as plainly as I can: By Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”

If Obama adheres to his plan, combat troops will return home months later than originally promised. The New York Times reports, Obama will withdraw only two of the 14 brigades before December.

As part of a “new era of American leadership,” he also said he would leave behind a residual force of 35,000 to 50,000 troops and remove all U.S. soldiers from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 – the same deadline the Bush administration negotiated with the Iraqi government last year in its Status of Forces Agreement.

Additionally, some combat units would remain in Iraq beyond Obama’s declared August 2010 withdrawal. Rather than returning home, they would simply face reassignment as “advisory training brigades.”

Even as combat troops are brought home, Pentagon officials have said fresh units will continue deploying to Iraq.

Found here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91286

AmVet

August 19th, 2009
1:16 pm

No feckless name jacker/yeah right at 1:06.

I told you last fall he wouldn’t, but you BushCo brown-nosers/shirts were too frickkin stupid to listen.

Normal

August 19th, 2009
1:16 pm

Jay, thanks…

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:17 pm

The angry white people are really gonna freak when Obama changes the name America to “west Kenya”.

TW

August 19th, 2009
1:20 pm

Next time, maybe we ought to think about stuff like this before we invade????

Not that any of this has anything to do with ‘w’s golf swing…

Dave R.

August 19th, 2009
1:20 pm

Bosch, why limit the “they don’t think through the consequences of their actions” thing to just GOP-ers?

If you were being intellectually honest, you’d just use the word “politician” and leave party out of it.

Brad Steel

August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm

In the endless parroting of angry-white-guy AM radio, Paul earnestly queries:Care to hazard a guess as to when Pres Obama’s gonna accomplish his mission in Afghanistan?

Probably as soon as he puts a few more of Bush’s myriad f*ck-ups to bed.

USinUK

August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm

Finneus –

shouldn’t that be East Kenya?

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm

Let them kill one another off lettuce just be sure the Oil remains safe.

DebbieDoRight

August 19th, 2009
1:23 pm

Sure, it seemed a good idea to get rid of Saddam, but THIS ^^^^^ is the consequence of that action – and not one that GWB thought about.

I don’t think Baby Bush considered that when he went in. He should’ve talked to his dad and asked him WHY he left Saddam in power. With Saddam in power, Iran was quiet and the taliban and AlQueada stayed out of Iraq; now they’re taking up residence there and Iran is sponsoring Sunni insurgents to promote and cause even more trouble.

On another note…………….Paul and ABM left you a message downstairs!!! ESPECIALLY one for you ABM — my poor misguided friend!!! C U guys later — gotta go to the office this afternoon and earn my expectant EOY bonus!!! Remember, if any of you have hidden money overseas you have until 9/23/09 at 11:59 p.m.; to declare all profits.

md

August 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

“There is basically nothing we can do in Iraq — it’s awful to say, and I know someone is gonna blast me for this; but at least Saddam’s government was STABLE. Brutal, offensive, sans basic human rights; but stable. He had an infrastructure and a productive financial system in place, (until he lost the first gulf war). I know that statement is blasphemy; but imagine Iraq now in the hands of a Taliban like government — and all of sudden Saddam doesn’t look like the biggest booger bear on the block.”

As stated from a comfy room somewhere in the US.

It was hell before, hell now, and probaly hell in the future.

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
1:25 pm

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:14 pm
Let the people of Iraq solve their own problems.

Finnius McCoolAid…Whats this? Im shocked? Where is your compassion for the unfortuantes in Iraq. Since you obviously care nothing for the downtrodden in Woodruff park you should, at this very minute be en route to Iraq via plane with some form of aid.

Perhaps you might strap some wings and a lawnmower engine to your mini-van and make an inter-contenental flight to help these poor Iraqis.

md

August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm

“He should’ve talked to his dad and asked him WHY he left Saddam in power.”

Maybe because the UN mandated that he be left in power. It was a UN mission under their weenie rules.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm

Brad Steel

Have you caught any conversations here about how so many on the farfarleft regularly go with some form of character attack in their attempts to discuss an issue?

So, the banner was 2003, Bush Administration had a pullout schedule in place before he left office.

Do you think Obama will beat Bush’s timeline in Afg?

Hint: his speech the other day indicates ‘probably not’ – but I await your prediction and rationale.

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm

md

August 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

Agreed…probably wouldve been best to leave Saddam in power as those people only understand brute force.

libs lie

August 19th, 2009
1:27 pm

If Bush’s policy in Iraq is so flawed, why is obama still carrying it out? If the DOD has so many problems, why did obama keep Gates as Secretary of Defense?

USinUK

August 19th, 2009
1:27 pm

finally heading home …

md – left you a msg/question/food to think about downstairs …

have a good night, all!!

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
1:32 pm

Any reports on the OIL? Is the OIL still safe or do we need to send in the Navy Seals for a quick extraction?

We spent 10’s of millions of dollars to assist those Iraqi’s and we get zero thanks. To he-ll with them. Move our troops north into “Kurdikastan” and operate from there.

Our mission Number 1 should now be to protect and serve ourselves some oil.

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:32 pm

Well said Md.

Captain Underpants

August 19th, 2009
1:35 pm

After this huge explosion has anyone heard from the Oil and how its doing? Has the oil been taken captive and if so does Obama have hit squad ready?

Forget the whales…SAVE THE OIL!

GayGrayGeek

August 19th, 2009
1:35 pm

Bosch @ 1:06 – You presume that Duh-UH-bya engaged in this thing you call “thought”?

Hopey Changey

August 19th, 2009
1:37 pm

We already know obama’s foriegn policy in Iraq and Afghanistan is a failure, what about that health care reform package? Who vetted that abortion?

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm

Hey GayGrayGeek

Where ya’ been?

Angry Black Man

August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm

Thanks Jay.

DDR

Don’t bet your bonus money on the Gators. That well will dry up soon. ;)

demwit

August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm

“But none of Iraq’s(insert America’s here) basic political problems and ethnic and religious differences have been resolved;”

demwit

August 19th, 2009
1:40 pm

“Only cowards hide behind their guns” -Jay Bookman

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:41 pm

Sitting on a plane now turd, but its headed to atl

RollerGirl

August 19th, 2009
1:42 pm

Photo caption should read: ” Obama administration claims success in Iraq strategy”.

BTW Bookman, you seem mighty testy lately..could it be from watching B. Hussein and his grandiose plans sink further and further in approval?

Obama's broken promises

August 19th, 2009
1:42 pm

Here are Obama’s failed campaign promises to the gay community for gay gray guy:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/gays-and-lesbians/

Brad Steel

August 19th, 2009
1:43 pm

Paul,
Dumb observations. Even dumber questions.

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
1:44 pm

I think Obama should pull another Bush (so many folks here think he’s just another Bush so what else could one call it) and declare “Mission Accomplished” in the entire middle east. Bring our boys home and put ‘em to work in a revived CCC program. It’s about time we quit trying to make history go away. Let ‘em kill each other until there are no more to kill or they get tired of it.

@@

August 19th, 2009
1:46 pm

Maliki was over in Syria? I don’t ’spect that made Ahmadenijad happy. SOFA’s open-ended.

As if Barack’s in-between hard place wasn’t big enough…

~~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~~~

From downstairs

DANG! you guys are selectively lazy too. Videos…interviews — all you have to do is Google Rev. Wright (still affiliated) and anti-semitism.

I don’t hang here all day like the rest of you. I don’t have time to do your research. BTW….

is this Denzel Washington playing Louis Farrakhan or is it the real Farrakhan talking about satanic jews

He too is a frequent visitor/speaker at Trinity United Church of Christ.

Carter is a Fool

August 19th, 2009
1:47 pm

I thought that was the title of your article concerning your writing style, if you can call it that.

for real

August 19th, 2009
1:47 pm

“Photo caption should read: ” Obama administration claims success in Iraq strategy”.

BTW Bookman, you seem mighty testy lately..could it be from watching B. Hussein and his grandiose plans sink further and further in approval?”

Obama is sliding downward in all of the polls faster than his economy!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

david wayne osedach

August 19th, 2009
1:49 pm

If we leave Iraq for good today – it will not be too soon!

electrician

August 19th, 2009
1:50 pm

where did all the war protestors go?

Captain Underpants

August 19th, 2009
1:50 pm

Finn mccool

August 19th, 2009
1:41 pm

Well you will be home just in time. Perhaps you might swing by Woodruff park and hand out some spare change or cookies. You philanthropist you!

Doggone/GA

August 19th, 2009
1:51 pm

“To acomplish those goals, we’d have to stay longer”

and how long to we have to stay before we realize those goals can’t be accomplished? Don’t believe it? Check the history of the area before you answer.

obama continues all Bush policies

August 19th, 2009
1:52 pm

“I think Obama should pull another Bush (so many folks here think he’s just another Bush so what else could one call it) and declare “Mission Accomplished” in the entire middle east. Bring our boys home and put ‘em to work in a revived CCC program. It’s about time we quit trying to make history go away. Let ‘em kill each other until there are no more to kill or they get tired of it.”

For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush. The closest Obama ever got to the military was playing dress-up with Rahm Emmanual in the bedroom.

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
1:52 pm

Lets send Carter over to Iraq and allow him to sort out the mess. Perhaps he might also visit with the oil to be sure all is well.

mike

August 19th, 2009
1:53 pm

Turd –

“Agreed…probably wouldve been best to leave Saddam in power as those people only understand brute force.”

I think that this will be the bi-partisan consensus moving forward. Sucks for people living under dictatorships, but the world has demonstrated that regime changes will not be supported, so we have seen the end of Iraq/Yugoslavian/Afghanistan type interventions for some time. Not certain what that means in the long haul, but if this comes in conjunction with beefing up the borders, I am down with it. It’s kind of a reversion to 1930’s style Republican isolationism.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:53 pm

Brad Steel

You stated “Mission accomplished G.W. Bush, May 2nd 2003.” (Note: that was from a banner put up by the Navy guys – who had accomplished their mission – and was not a references to his speech on the ship)

So I asked you for a prediction of when we’ll hear the same with our current President’s adventure in Afghanistan – the one he says is gonna take years and years and years.

Your subsequent posts are, frankly, nothing but an attempt to divert from the embarrassment – we’re about done with Bush’s adventure in Iraq but we’ll likely see Obama’s adventure go on for years longer.

oh, and your 1:43 – is that the farfarleft’s version of (from yesterday) “I know you are but what am I?” Sounds about right –

BTW – do you even know what Obama’s long-term goals are for Afg and how his strategy and mission differ significantly from Bush’s?

Booger Bomber

August 19th, 2009
1:54 pm

Why are the democrats not out protesting obama Iraq and afghanistan war policies. They were certainly screaming during the reign of Bush.

mike

August 19th, 2009
1:54 pm

“where did all the war protestors go?”

The same place the AJC.com’s casualty count feature did as soon as Afghan casualties overtook Iraq casualties.

yippee ki yay

August 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

“BTW – do you even know what Obama’s long-term goals are for Afg and how his strategy and mission differ significantly from Bush’s?”

Neither does Obama!

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm

Taxpayer

There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”

I always thought that sage advice –

electrician 1:50

[[where did all the war protestors go?]]

Remember how the media camped out with Cindy Sheehan when she camped out at Bush’s Crawford ranch when he was on vacation?

Well, Pres Obama’s going to Martha’s Vineyard for a little R&R. Guess who’s camping out there, too? Cindy Sheehan. Care to guess if the media are going to be camping out with her to get her comments on Obama and his war policies and reporting them every night?

You can stop laughing now.

Lots of questions, no answers

August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm

“Why are the democrats not out protesting obama Iraq and afghanistan war policies. They were certainly screaming during the reign of Bush.”

Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan under the advice of Gates. You know, the Gates that Bush put in office.

Turd Ferguson

August 19th, 2009
2:00 pm

Looks as though Obama is giving The HildaBeast a little smackdown. She should resign.

Hillary Clinton on Sidelines as Diplomacy With Rogue Nations Evolves
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/19/state-department-sidelines-diplomacy-rogue-nations-evolves/

press guy

August 19th, 2009
2:00 pm

Baghdad Bob is on tv telling more lies for this failed administration.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
2:01 pm

yippee 1:56

Funny, but not quite accurate. Unfortunately, they’re kinda general.

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:01 pm

Yep, Jay is right on target. The only place I disagree is that the surge was much less successful then the media seems to always portray. It may have bought time, but we also had a considerable number of American and Iraqi casualties including civilians from the US (contractors) and of course Iraqi civilians. One additional problem is the number of displaced Iraqis. There are estimates as high as 3 million widows with children of elementary school or middle school age who have fled Iraq to other Arab countries who aren’t permitted to get licesnses to work in these countries, and a significant percentage of these women have begun working as prostitutes in order to feed their kids and themselves.

Booger Bomber

August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

“Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan under the advice of Gates. You know, the Gates that Bush put in office.”

Well that certainly didnt seem to matter to the Dems whilst Bush was in office. Your point is MUTE.

Try again.

mm

August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

When will you wingers figure out the difference between terrorrism and sectarian violence?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

Well, the pictures show why we got to have laws against Terrists here. If we wasn’t in Iraq they would be here planting bombs and blowing up the AJC building and even Simpsons Trailer Park. What we need is a crack down. Strip everybody in every building buck-nekkid. Make everybody drive buck-nekkid. Run old men and women and kids thru machines at the airport and check their You Know Whats for bombs. Take away all my rights. Except maybe my Right to Bare Arms. Listen in on my phone calls and read my e-mail and put listening bugs in every house and check my bank account every day. Do anything you need to do to Keep Us Safe. I’ll give up all my Freedoms if it will keep me Safe.

Anyhow, these bombings show we need to send a couple million more troops to Iraq. If we pull our troops out the Iraqs will kill each other till nobody’s left and all we’ll have over there is a bunch of desert and maybe a couple buildings left standing. Then somebody will pull out the Weapons of Mass Destruction we didn’t find and go after us here in the U.S. of A. And we’ll run plumb out of gas.

These pictures of the bombed places give me the Willys. Maybe the FBI needs to check on Bookman to see if he’s a Terrist just trying to soften us up for the big attack that’s about to come. The Terrists are coming! The Terrists are coming! And all you people can do is write on a stupid blog?

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

@@

August 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

jay, Stratfor’s agreement allows four-sentence excerpts without permission. Here’s four:

Two provisos qualified this plan. The first was that the plan depended on the reality on the ground for its timeline. The second was the possibility that some residual force would remain in Iraq to guarantee the agreements made between factions, until they matured and solidified into a self-sustaining regime. Aside from minor tinkering with the timeline, the Obama administration — guided by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, whom Bush appointed and Obama retained — has followed the Bush plan faithfully.

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:04 pm

I would never have made Hillary a part of this administration–I don’t care how much of a wonk for details she “appears” to be. The criteria will be what results she produces in 4 years.

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
2:05 pm

For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush.

A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.

demwit

August 19th, 2009
2:08 pm

“When will you wingers figure out the difference between terrorrism and sectarian violence?”

Something about carrying guns to presidential speeches.., right??

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:10 pm

Obama has followed the Bush plan faithfully and it’s been a total failure and fiasco. If the surgy e was meant to “buy time”, Iraqi security forces are about as ready to maintain order as Posh Spice and ger group. Insurgents who want to bomb and kill can and are attacking at will .as they did this morning. Money continues to hemorrhage, and as Jay correctly underscored–the major objectives haven’t been met just as they weren’t with Bush. And the only serious accounting study by a Nobel Prize Winner in Economics titled “The three trillion dollar war” traces the money and documents it’s a lot more expense than under a trillion not to mention a lot of secret expenditures and slush funds–some of them revealed to SSSI and the House Intelligence Committee and many of them not.

What “Stratford” a conservative site, doesn’t tell you is this is one more huge piece of crap the Bush administration left for Obama who is in office about 7 months. We aren’t significantly getting out of Iraq, and we aren’t significantly going to make much progress in Afghanistan–and the Russians gave us a comprehensive template for that –dispite the advancements in the Reaper and other drone planes.

demwit

August 19th, 2009
2:10 pm

The best dems can do is never very good.

See Carter, Clinton, Obama, 110th Congress, 111th Congress, etc, etc..

truth hurts libs

August 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.’

Bush was fully qualified to fly the F4, which was the fighter of the day for the Air National Guard. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Dan Rather report was fabricated. Sorry.

uh huh

August 19th, 2009
2:13 pm

“Two provisos qualified this plan. The first was that the plan depended on the reality on the ground for its timeline. The second was the possibility that some residual force would remain in Iraq to guarantee the agreements made between factions, until they matured and solidified into a self-sustaining regime. Aside from minor tinkering with the timeline, the Obama administration — guided by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, whom Bush appointed and Obama retained — has followed the Bush plan faithfully.”

Absolutely. Hope. Change. Same policies as predecessor.

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
2:13 pm

Paul

August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm
Taxpayer

There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”

I always thought that sage advice -

60! Dang, that’s like ancient history, dude. You just gotta let it go and move on.

Dave R.

August 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

Taxcheat, would that be the whole “CBS News RETRACTED their story about Bush’s attendance issues” problem? Why is it that you cannot see truth when it is clearly in front of you because of your irrational hatred of all things Republican and Bush?

Great sound bite remarks, but as usual for you, wholly inaccurate.

Normal

August 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

I said this was going to happen ad nausium here. The Iraqi Sunni and Shia will settle scores going back centuries. I believe that they will turn on any outsider who tries to step in causing even more bloodshed. My biggest fear is Iran using this as an excuse to invade. If that happens, it’s going to be a Tom Clancey novel all over again…just sayin’

getalife

August 19th, 2009
2:16 pm

They removed the check point and the truck bombs got thru to target government buildings.

I guess they quit bribing the Sunnis so they can bribe the taliban.

Geez.

Normal

August 19th, 2009
2:17 pm

I always thought Kenya was just Bubba speak for can you…

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:18 pm

The best dems can do is never very good.

See Carter, Clinton, Obama, 110th Congress, 111th Congress, etc, etc

What I see is your brain is interchangable with Katy Abram’s and you don’t have anything specific to say.

And your chutzpah is exponentially off the wall, considering the absolute failure that Bush and the Repubican dominated congresses were and the egregiously low bar you set for your candidates like the untreated Borderline personality, the unemployed Palin and candidate wannabe Michelle Bachman. On their worst days, any of the Dem Presidents you named were infinitely better than Bush.

Your congresses ran this country into the ground and caused the financial debacles, and in order to get a viable Health Care Plan we’re forced to shove your Congress and our Blue Dogs on the payroll of insurance companies aside. Watch us do just that during the nesxt 3 months.

spin libs spin

August 19th, 2009
2:19 pm

“There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”

I always thought that sage advice -”

Sure you are not thinking of Wayne Morse of Oregon? He was one of two senators that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

Bush was fully qualified to fly the F4, which was the fighter of the day for the Air National Guard. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Dan Rather report was fabricated. Sorry.

After all the lies from Bush, I’ll take Rather’s word over his any day.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
2:21 pm

Taxpayer

And the Congressman who said it was really old, too!

Let it go? Are you nuts?!!? This stuff comes through in cycles. Maybe if lawyers were required to take more history courses we wouldn’t keep playing Peat and RePeat –

pssst – be careful with that ‘ancient history’ stuff – there are a bunch of Vietnam vets here….

Normal

August 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

Sure you are not thinking of Wayne Morse of Oregon? He was one of two senators that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

Spin, who was the other one? I’d like to send them a “Thank You” card…

code pink targets obama

August 19th, 2009
2:24 pm

Speaking of moonbats, Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink will be targeting Obama with peace demonstrations at Martha’s Vinyard this weekend. I hope fat Teddy does not croak from the excitement!

http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Cindy-Sheehan-to-protest-Obama-in-Marthas-Vineyard-next-week

Normal

August 19th, 2009
2:26 pm

Taxpayer, 33 months of my life may have been reduced to one paragraph in Middle School Social Sceince books, but it will never be ancient history to me…just sayin’

Jake

August 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

This is just lib/Bookman sensationalism and most of you are buying it. It’s a couple of bombs, it’s not like th eentire country has collapsed in to anarchy. Of course, that may be just around the corner. If the manifest detiny of these countries is some kind of ‘winners get the theocracy of their choice, why has Obama gotten us so deeply involved in yet another country?

spin it

August 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

“Spin, who was the other one? I’d like to send them a “Thank You” card…”

For real. Thank God Nixon got us out of that mess.

Paul

August 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

spinlibs

I don’t think so. Think it was a Congressman, not a senator. Could have been, but when I read about it I remember thinking how it was from a guy who seemed worn down by it all. That didn’t fit Morse’s temperament.

Dave R.

August 19th, 2009
2:29 pm

Crush, let’s not forget the egregiously low bar you libs set for your candidates, either. Al “Man-made global warming” Gore (how are you enjoying you second year in a row of cooler temperatures, Crush?), Long Jawn Kerry and the Breck Girl (one’s a gigolo and one has an affair and fathers a baby while his wife has cancer).

Yeah, great role models, Crush. And I don’t need to go into the long list of Clinton issues.

And let’s not forget your stellar lights in the Congress and Senate, either. Barbara “Call me Senator” Boxer, Maxine “Franklin Raines is a God” Waters, Barney “I single-handedly killed the banking industry” Frank, and a host of others.

Both sides excel in electing dolts. Neither the GOP nor the Dems are immune from this, and are in fact, equally represented by the dolt community.

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm

Here’s my post. One of you dumba$$es care to prove your claims about what I really said. How about you, DaveR?

Taxpayer

August 19th, 2009
2:05 pm
For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush.

A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.

Go for it.

Brad Steel

August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm

Obama’s strategy is to dress up in a cool fighter pilot and declare: “mission accomplished!” per advice from Cheney.

G Gordon Liddy

August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm

Nixons only crime was getting caught.

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:32 pm

Colonel Tim Reese said “let’s just declare victory and leave” in a memo recently leaked to NYT (of course it’s a colossal defeat and waste of lives and money hemorrhage and a tragedy of error after error).

U.S. Senator from 1941 to 1975 and former governor, George Aiken from Vermont said this during Vietnam. When he retired, he was the most senior member of the Senate.

anti-war protesters target obama

August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm

From the sheehan article:

“As Byron York observed in the Washington Examiner, “…opposing the war was really about opposing George W. Bush. When Bush disappeared, so did their anti-war passion.”

Incredibly, Sheehan herself seems to agree. Today, York reported that after reading his column, Sheehan contacted him via email and wrote, in part:

I mostly agree with you. The “anti-war” “left” was used by the Democratic Party. I like to call it the “anti-Republican War” movement.

In a follow up phone call with York, Sheehan added:

“I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that even if they supported Obama, he doesn’t represent much change.”"

Wow. Even a moonbat like sheehan gets it. I wonder if she will sell her property in Texas and try to buy some in Taxachusetts?

Article here: http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Cindy-Sheehan-to-protest-Obama-in-Marthas-Vineyard-next-week

Crushing the pubt's

August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm

Bush is a coward whose daddy got him into the National Guard. The plan was always never to train little Georgie in a plane that would deploy to Nam. When he got orders tng o report for a physical for a plane that was deploying to Nam, he fled AWOL and illegally hid in Alabama and the only thing he flew was cocaine and booze. He then had the records destroyed.