Iraq: When the best we can do isn’t very good
Firefighters respond to a bombing near the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in Baghdad Wednesday. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)
BAGHDAD — A string of attacks in Baghdad, including two bombings near prominent government buildings, killed at least 95 people and wounded more than 530 Wednesday morning in the bloodiest day in the capital since the withdrawal of U.S. troops from cities.
The attacks happened in close succession late Wednesday morning. The two deadliest bombings targeted the finance and foreign ministries, which are among the most heavily guarded buildings in Baghdad, Iraqi authorities said.
Separately, at least six mortars rained down on two heavily transited locations in central Baghdad, Iraqi officials said. Three mortars targeted the Green Zone, the fortified enclave in Baghdad that contains the U.S. Embassy and many Iraqi government offices.
The bloodiest of the day’s attacks was a bombing just outside the Foreign Ministry that killed at least 47 people and wounded 195, officials said. The massive blast, apparently from a vehicle packed with explosives, was particularly deadly because the government recently removed some of the concrete walls that the U.S. military had erected to protect against car bombs.
The explosion just feet from the ministry building, which is near the Green Zone and close to the Iraqi parliament, left a crater about 80 feet wide and 12 feet deep. Maj. Gen. Jihad al-Jaberi, the head of the Baghdad bomb squad, said the bomb had two tons of explosives.
Unfortunately, I think this kind of thing will go on for a long, long time in Iraq. The surge bought us important time, and that time was put to good use in creating at least a semblance of an Iraqi governing structure and military. But none of Iraq’s basic political problems and ethnic and religious differences have been resolved; if you look back at the benchmarks of progress that President Bush established in his 2006 speech announcing the surge, few have been achieved. There’s still no oil law, no de-Bathification law, no resolution of the situation in Kirkuk and the Kurdish area. In fact, U.S. Gen. Ray Odierno wants to move U.S. troops into that area in hopes of easing the violence there, even as American forces are supposed to be winding down their involvement.
There are some situations in which the best we can do simply isn’t very good. Iraq is proving to be such a situation, and so may Afghanistan.
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AmVet
August 19th, 2009
12:53 pm
This, to the conned, is the picture of “victory”.
And we needlessly gave up 4,331 (and counting) American lives for it…
pat
August 19th, 2009
12:55 pm
To acomplish those goals, we’d have to stay longer. I just hope we stayed long enough to keep the country from being taken over by terrorist. The dangers of leaving to soon is that doing so means we may have to come back. We need to make sure we leave a situation where we will never have to return.
No we should not have been there in the first place, but the genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.
Brad Steel
August 19th, 2009
12:59 pm
Mission accomplished G.W. Bush, May 2nd 2003.
George American
August 19th, 2009
1:01 pm
<THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE ANIMALS WITH NO REGARD FOR LIFE. YOU LIBERALS SHOULD BE THANKING CONSERVATIVES AND THE TROOPS FOR PROTECTING THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
DebbieDoRight
August 19th, 2009
1:02 pm
pat: The dangers of leaving to soon is that doing so means we may have to come back. We need to make sure we leave a situation where we will never have to return.
We have no choice — the Iraqis want us out of their country; and we’ve< (Bush in 2008) already signed the agreement for troop withdrawal and a drawing down of certain troops in certain regions. The only way we could legally go back is if the Iraqi government asks us AND congress approves.
There is basically nothing we can do in Iraq — it’s awful to say, and I know someone is gonna blast me for this; but at least Saddam’s government was STABLE. Brutal, offensive, sans basic human rights; but stable. He had an infrastructure and a productive financial system in place, (until he lost the first gulf war). I know that statement is blasphemy; but imagine Iraq now in the hands of a Taliban like government — and all of sudden Saddam doesn’t look like the biggest booger bear on the block.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:04 pm
“BAGHDAD, Aug. 17 — U.S. troops could be forced by Iraqi voters to withdraw a year ahead of schedule under a referendum the Iraqi government backed Monday, creating a potential complication for American commanders concerned about rising violence in the country’s north. ”
If the Iraqis aren’t concerned, why are we?
Angry Black Man
August 19th, 2009
1:05 pm
Jay
I believe that’s just a peek into what’s about to happen in Iraq. I think all factions are just waiting until we pull out, then all hell will break loose over there. If all you’ve known is tyranny and violence, that’s where you’ll end up. I feel sorry for the innocent people who end up as casualties because of the power struggle there.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:05 pm
Brad Steel
Care to hazard a guess as to when Pres Obama’s gonna accomplish his mission in Afghanistan?
Tom
August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm
Iraq has been but another Missing-Link BushDrunk success story – as all thinking-people knew it would be. Mission Accomplished. Our nation of Patriots and Heroes has easily provided the citizens there with vast inroads into Democracy and brotherly love. Why, even Christianity has has taken hold like wildfire – the only thing slowing it down is the overflow and backlog of applications to join. Iraq is one of our proudest, most cerebral moments. Just ask a Repug. Thank God – now we can concentrate our maximum efforts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, then ever onward. Gee – kinda like a “domino effect.” Praise Geesuusah n God Bluss Murcuh!!
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm
I thought Obozo was going to pull us out of Iraq when he took office. Guess not, huh?
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
1:06 pm
Elaborating on the thread below –
This seems part of the problem with GOPers – they don’t think through the consequences of their actions.
Sure, it seemed a good idea to get rid of Saddam, but THIS ^^^^^ is the consequence of that action – and not one that GWB thought about.
Gale
August 19th, 2009
1:07 pm
In some situations, a dictator is the best government. Saddam certainly was not the best government. His policies increased the sectarian animosity. But yes, on the surface it was stable. The problems in Iraq will not be solved militarily. Diplomatically, all American can really do is encourage the factions to communicate with each other. We should repair the wreck we made of their infrastructure. But as our very presence incites violence, I don’t know how we can manage that.
Broken Promises
August 19th, 2009
1:10 pm
Here are some more broken obama campaign promises:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/
obama lied, people and the economy died.
norman ravitch
August 19th, 2009
1:12 pm
Iraq will again be in the headlines and for the reasons Bookman gives: nothing has been solved with the overthrow of Saddam, nothing has been achieved by the Surge except temporary accomodations. Our troops cannot do any good there; they will simply be targets. The same will be true in Afghanistan. O’Bama needs to review all this; so far he is simply following the failed Bush/Cheney policy.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 19th, 2009
1:12 pm
if you look back at the benchmarks of progress that President Bush established in his 2006 speech announcing the surge, few have been achieved.
Of course, it’s our fault.
It has nothing at all to do with the foreign religious fanatics that wish to drag free Iraqi society back into the dark ages of enslavement, brutality of women, murder of the innocents.
Like Obozo says, we are the bad guys.
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:14 pm
Let the people of Iraq solve their own problems.
obama lies
August 19th, 2009
1:15 pm
Broken promise No. 7: Bring troops home in 16 months
On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
His commitment to bring combat troops home by May 20, 2010, and end the war gave him an edge among Democrats over candidate Hillary Clinton.
However, on Feb. 27, Obama declared, “Let me say this as plainly as I can: By Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”
If Obama adheres to his plan, combat troops will return home months later than originally promised. The New York Times reports, Obama will withdraw only two of the 14 brigades before December.
As part of a “new era of American leadership,” he also said he would leave behind a residual force of 35,000 to 50,000 troops and remove all U.S. soldiers from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 – the same deadline the Bush administration negotiated with the Iraqi government last year in its Status of Forces Agreement.
Additionally, some combat units would remain in Iraq beyond Obama’s declared August 2010 withdrawal. Rather than returning home, they would simply face reassignment as “advisory training brigades.”
Even as combat troops are brought home, Pentagon officials have said fresh units will continue deploying to Iraq.
Found here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91286
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
1:16 pm
No feckless name jacker/yeah right at 1:06.
I told you last fall he wouldn’t, but you BushCo brown-nosers/shirts were too frickkin stupid to listen.
Normal
August 19th, 2009
1:16 pm
Jay, thanks…
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:17 pm
The angry white people are really gonna freak when Obama changes the name America to “west Kenya”.
TW
August 19th, 2009
1:20 pm
Next time, maybe we ought to think about stuff like this before we invade????
Not that any of this has anything to do with ‘w’s golf swing…
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
1:20 pm
Bosch, why limit the “they don’t think through the consequences of their actions” thing to just GOP-ers?
If you were being intellectually honest, you’d just use the word “politician” and leave party out of it.
Brad Steel
August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm
In the endless parroting of angry-white-guy AM radio, Paul earnestly queries:Care to hazard a guess as to when Pres Obama’s gonna accomplish his mission in Afghanistan?
Probably as soon as he puts a few more of Bush’s myriad f*ck-ups to bed.
USinUK
August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm
Finneus –
shouldn’t that be East Kenya?
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
1:21 pm
Let them kill one another off lettuce just be sure the Oil remains safe.
DebbieDoRight
August 19th, 2009
1:23 pm
Sure, it seemed a good idea to get rid of Saddam, but THIS ^^^^^ is the consequence of that action – and not one that GWB thought about.
I don’t think Baby Bush considered that when he went in. He should’ve talked to his dad and asked him WHY he left Saddam in power. With Saddam in power, Iran was quiet and the taliban and AlQueada stayed out of Iraq; now they’re taking up residence there and Iran is sponsoring Sunni insurgents to promote and cause even more trouble.
On another note…………….Paul and ABM left you a message downstairs!!! ESPECIALLY one for you ABM — my poor misguided friend!!! C U guys later — gotta go to the office this afternoon and earn my expectant EOY bonus!!! Remember, if any of you have hidden money overseas you have until 9/23/09 at 11:59 p.m.; to declare all profits.
md
August 19th, 2009
1:24 pm
“There is basically nothing we can do in Iraq — it’s awful to say, and I know someone is gonna blast me for this; but at least Saddam’s government was STABLE. Brutal, offensive, sans basic human rights; but stable. He had an infrastructure and a productive financial system in place, (until he lost the first gulf war). I know that statement is blasphemy; but imagine Iraq now in the hands of a Taliban like government — and all of sudden Saddam doesn’t look like the biggest booger bear on the block.”
As stated from a comfy room somewhere in the US.
It was hell before, hell now, and probaly hell in the future.
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
1:25 pm
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:14 pm
Let the people of Iraq solve their own problems.
Finnius McCoolAid…Whats this? Im shocked? Where is your compassion for the unfortuantes in Iraq. Since you obviously care nothing for the downtrodden in Woodruff park you should, at this very minute be en route to Iraq via plane with some form of aid.
Perhaps you might strap some wings and a lawnmower engine to your mini-van and make an inter-contenental flight to help these poor Iraqis.
md
August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm
“He should’ve talked to his dad and asked him WHY he left Saddam in power.”
Maybe because the UN mandated that he be left in power. It was a UN mission under their weenie rules.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm
Brad Steel
Have you caught any conversations here about how so many on the farfarleft regularly go with some form of character attack in their attempts to discuss an issue?
So, the banner was 2003, Bush Administration had a pullout schedule in place before he left office.
Do you think Obama will beat Bush’s timeline in Afg?
Hint: his speech the other day indicates ‘probably not’ – but I await your prediction and rationale.
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
1:26 pm
md
August 19th, 2009
1:24 pm
Agreed…probably wouldve been best to leave Saddam in power as those people only understand brute force.
libs lie
August 19th, 2009
1:27 pm
If Bush’s policy in Iraq is so flawed, why is obama still carrying it out? If the DOD has so many problems, why did obama keep Gates as Secretary of Defense?
USinUK
August 19th, 2009
1:27 pm
finally heading home …
md – left you a msg/question/food to think about downstairs …
have a good night, all!!
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
1:32 pm
Any reports on the OIL? Is the OIL still safe or do we need to send in the Navy Seals for a quick extraction?
We spent 10’s of millions of dollars to assist those Iraqi’s and we get zero thanks. To he-ll with them. Move our troops north into “Kurdikastan” and operate from there.
Our mission Number 1 should now be to protect and serve ourselves some oil.
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:32 pm
Well said Md.
Captain Underpants
August 19th, 2009
1:35 pm
After this huge explosion has anyone heard from the Oil and how its doing? Has the oil been taken captive and if so does Obama have hit squad ready?
Forget the whales…SAVE THE OIL!
GayGrayGeek
August 19th, 2009
1:35 pm
Bosch @ 1:06 – You presume that Duh-UH-bya engaged in this thing you call “thought”?
Hopey Changey
August 19th, 2009
1:37 pm
We already know obama’s foriegn policy in Iraq and Afghanistan is a failure, what about that health care reform package? Who vetted that abortion?
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm
Hey GayGrayGeek
Where ya’ been?
Angry Black Man
August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm
Thanks Jay.
DDR
Don’t bet your bonus money on the Gators. That well will dry up soon.
demwit
August 19th, 2009
1:38 pm
“But none of Iraq’s(insert America’s here) basic political problems and ethnic and religious differences have been resolved;”
demwit
August 19th, 2009
1:40 pm
“Only cowards hide behind their guns” -Jay Bookman
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:41 pm
Sitting on a plane now turd, but its headed to atl
RollerGirl
August 19th, 2009
1:42 pm
Photo caption should read: ” Obama administration claims success in Iraq strategy”.
BTW Bookman, you seem mighty testy lately..could it be from watching B. Hussein and his grandiose plans sink further and further in approval?
Obama's broken promises
August 19th, 2009
1:42 pm
Here are Obama’s failed campaign promises to the gay community for gay gray guy:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/gays-and-lesbians/
Brad Steel
August 19th, 2009
1:43 pm
Paul,
Dumb observations. Even dumber questions.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
1:44 pm
I think Obama should pull another Bush (so many folks here think he’s just another Bush so what else could one call it) and declare “Mission Accomplished” in the entire middle east. Bring our boys home and put ‘em to work in a revived CCC program. It’s about time we quit trying to make history go away. Let ‘em kill each other until there are no more to kill or they get tired of it.
@@
August 19th, 2009
1:46 pm
Maliki was over in Syria? I don’t ’spect that made Ahmadenijad happy. SOFA’s open-ended.
As if Barack’s in-between hard place wasn’t big enough…
~~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~~~
From downstairs
DANG! you guys are selectively lazy too. Videos…interviews — all you have to do is Google Rev. Wright (still affiliated) and anti-semitism.
I don’t hang here all day like the rest of you. I don’t have time to do your research. BTW….
is this Denzel Washington playing Louis Farrakhan or is it the real Farrakhan talking about satanic jews
He too is a frequent visitor/speaker at Trinity United Church of Christ.
Carter is a Fool
August 19th, 2009
1:47 pm
I thought that was the title of your article concerning your writing style, if you can call it that.
for real
August 19th, 2009
1:47 pm
“Photo caption should read: ” Obama administration claims success in Iraq strategy”.
BTW Bookman, you seem mighty testy lately..could it be from watching B. Hussein and his grandiose plans sink further and further in approval?”
Obama is sliding downward in all of the polls faster than his economy!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
david wayne osedach
August 19th, 2009
1:49 pm
If we leave Iraq for good today – it will not be too soon!
electrician
August 19th, 2009
1:50 pm
where did all the war protestors go?
Captain Underpants
August 19th, 2009
1:50 pm
Finn mccool
August 19th, 2009
1:41 pm
Well you will be home just in time. Perhaps you might swing by Woodruff park and hand out some spare change or cookies. You philanthropist you!
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
1:51 pm
“To acomplish those goals, we’d have to stay longer”
and how long to we have to stay before we realize those goals can’t be accomplished? Don’t believe it? Check the history of the area before you answer.
obama continues all Bush policies
August 19th, 2009
1:52 pm
“I think Obama should pull another Bush (so many folks here think he’s just another Bush so what else could one call it) and declare “Mission Accomplished” in the entire middle east. Bring our boys home and put ‘em to work in a revived CCC program. It’s about time we quit trying to make history go away. Let ‘em kill each other until there are no more to kill or they get tired of it.”
For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush. The closest Obama ever got to the military was playing dress-up with Rahm Emmanual in the bedroom.
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
1:52 pm
Lets send Carter over to Iraq and allow him to sort out the mess. Perhaps he might also visit with the oil to be sure all is well.
mike
August 19th, 2009
1:53 pm
Turd –
“Agreed…probably wouldve been best to leave Saddam in power as those people only understand brute force.”
I think that this will be the bi-partisan consensus moving forward. Sucks for people living under dictatorships, but the world has demonstrated that regime changes will not be supported, so we have seen the end of Iraq/Yugoslavian/Afghanistan type interventions for some time. Not certain what that means in the long haul, but if this comes in conjunction with beefing up the borders, I am down with it. It’s kind of a reversion to 1930’s style Republican isolationism.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:53 pm
Brad Steel
You stated “Mission accomplished G.W. Bush, May 2nd 2003.” (Note: that was from a banner put up by the Navy guys – who had accomplished their mission – and was not a references to his speech on the ship)
So I asked you for a prediction of when we’ll hear the same with our current President’s adventure in Afghanistan – the one he says is gonna take years and years and years.
Your subsequent posts are, frankly, nothing but an attempt to divert from the embarrassment – we’re about done with Bush’s adventure in Iraq but we’ll likely see Obama’s adventure go on for years longer.
oh, and your 1:43 – is that the farfarleft’s version of (from yesterday) “I know you are but what am I?” Sounds about right –
BTW – do you even know what Obama’s long-term goals are for Afg and how his strategy and mission differ significantly from Bush’s?
Booger Bomber
August 19th, 2009
1:54 pm
Why are the democrats not out protesting obama Iraq and afghanistan war policies. They were certainly screaming during the reign of Bush.
mike
August 19th, 2009
1:54 pm
“where did all the war protestors go?”
The same place the AJC.com’s casualty count feature did as soon as Afghan casualties overtook Iraq casualties.
yippee ki yay
August 19th, 2009
1:56 pm
“BTW – do you even know what Obama’s long-term goals are for Afg and how his strategy and mission differ significantly from Bush’s?”
Neither does Obama!
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm
Taxpayer
There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”
I always thought that sage advice –
electrician 1:50
[[where did all the war protestors go?]]
Remember how the media camped out with Cindy Sheehan when she camped out at Bush’s Crawford ranch when he was on vacation?
Well, Pres Obama’s going to Martha’s Vineyard for a little R&R. Guess who’s camping out there, too? Cindy Sheehan. Care to guess if the media are going to be camping out with her to get her comments on Obama and his war policies and reporting them every night?
You can stop laughing now.
Lots of questions, no answers
August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm
“Why are the democrats not out protesting obama Iraq and afghanistan war policies. They were certainly screaming during the reign of Bush.”
Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan under the advice of Gates. You know, the Gates that Bush put in office.
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
2:00 pm
Looks as though Obama is giving The HildaBeast a little smackdown. She should resign.
Hillary Clinton on Sidelines as Diplomacy With Rogue Nations Evolves
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/19/state-department-sidelines-diplomacy-rogue-nations-evolves/
press guy
August 19th, 2009
2:00 pm
Baghdad Bob is on tv telling more lies for this failed administration.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
2:01 pm
yippee 1:56
Funny, but not quite accurate. Unfortunately, they’re kinda general.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:01 pm
Yep, Jay is right on target. The only place I disagree is that the surge was much less successful then the media seems to always portray. It may have bought time, but we also had a considerable number of American and Iraqi casualties including civilians from the US (contractors) and of course Iraqi civilians. One additional problem is the number of displaced Iraqis. There are estimates as high as 3 million widows with children of elementary school or middle school age who have fled Iraq to other Arab countries who aren’t permitted to get licesnses to work in these countries, and a significant percentage of these women have begun working as prostitutes in order to feed their kids and themselves.
Booger Bomber
August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm
“Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan under the advice of Gates. You know, the Gates that Bush put in office.”
Well that certainly didnt seem to matter to the Dems whilst Bush was in office. Your point is MUTE.
Try again.
mm
August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm
When will you wingers figure out the difference between terrorrism and sectarian violence?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 19th, 2009
2:02 pm
Well, the pictures show why we got to have laws against Terrists here. If we wasn’t in Iraq they would be here planting bombs and blowing up the AJC building and even Simpsons Trailer Park. What we need is a crack down. Strip everybody in every building buck-nekkid. Make everybody drive buck-nekkid. Run old men and women and kids thru machines at the airport and check their You Know Whats for bombs. Take away all my rights. Except maybe my Right to Bare Arms. Listen in on my phone calls and read my e-mail and put listening bugs in every house and check my bank account every day. Do anything you need to do to Keep Us Safe. I’ll give up all my Freedoms if it will keep me Safe.
Anyhow, these bombings show we need to send a couple million more troops to Iraq. If we pull our troops out the Iraqs will kill each other till nobody’s left and all we’ll have over there is a bunch of desert and maybe a couple buildings left standing. Then somebody will pull out the Weapons of Mass Destruction we didn’t find and go after us here in the U.S. of A. And we’ll run plumb out of gas.
These pictures of the bombed places give me the Willys. Maybe the FBI needs to check on Bookman to see if he’s a Terrist just trying to soften us up for the big attack that’s about to come. The Terrists are coming! The Terrists are coming! And all you people can do is write on a stupid blog?
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.
@@
August 19th, 2009
2:03 pm
jay, Stratfor’s agreement allows four-sentence excerpts without permission. Here’s four:
Two provisos qualified this plan. The first was that the plan depended on the reality on the ground for its timeline. The second was the possibility that some residual force would remain in Iraq to guarantee the agreements made between factions, until they matured and solidified into a self-sustaining regime. Aside from minor tinkering with the timeline, the Obama administration — guided by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, whom Bush appointed and Obama retained — has followed the Bush plan faithfully.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:04 pm
I would never have made Hillary a part of this administration–I don’t care how much of a wonk for details she “appears” to be. The criteria will be what results she produces in 4 years.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:05 pm
For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush.
A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.
demwit
August 19th, 2009
2:08 pm
“When will you wingers figure out the difference between terrorrism and sectarian violence?”
Something about carrying guns to presidential speeches.., right??
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:10 pm
Obama has followed the Bush plan faithfully and it’s been a total failure and fiasco. If the surgy e was meant to “buy time”, Iraqi security forces are about as ready to maintain order as Posh Spice and ger group. Insurgents who want to bomb and kill can and are attacking at will .as they did this morning. Money continues to hemorrhage, and as Jay correctly underscored–the major objectives haven’t been met just as they weren’t with Bush. And the only serious accounting study by a Nobel Prize Winner in Economics titled “The three trillion dollar war” traces the money and documents it’s a lot more expense than under a trillion not to mention a lot of secret expenditures and slush funds–some of them revealed to SSSI and the House Intelligence Committee and many of them not.
What “Stratford” a conservative site, doesn’t tell you is this is one more huge piece of crap the Bush administration left for Obama who is in office about 7 months. We aren’t significantly getting out of Iraq, and we aren’t significantly going to make much progress in Afghanistan–and the Russians gave us a comprehensive template for that –dispite the advancements in the Reaper and other drone planes.
demwit
August 19th, 2009
2:10 pm
The best dems can do is never very good.
See Carter, Clinton, Obama, 110th Congress, 111th Congress, etc, etc..
truth hurts libs
August 19th, 2009
2:11 pm
“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.’
Bush was fully qualified to fly the F4, which was the fighter of the day for the Air National Guard. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Dan Rather report was fabricated. Sorry.
uh huh
August 19th, 2009
2:13 pm
“Two provisos qualified this plan. The first was that the plan depended on the reality on the ground for its timeline. The second was the possibility that some residual force would remain in Iraq to guarantee the agreements made between factions, until they matured and solidified into a self-sustaining regime. Aside from minor tinkering with the timeline, the Obama administration — guided by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, whom Bush appointed and Obama retained — has followed the Bush plan faithfully.”
Absolutely. Hope. Change. Same policies as predecessor.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:13 pm
Paul
August 19th, 2009
1:58 pm
Taxpayer
There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”
I always thought that sage advice -
60! Dang, that’s like ancient history, dude. You just gotta let it go and move on.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:15 pm
Taxcheat, would that be the whole “CBS News RETRACTED their story about Bush’s attendance issues” problem? Why is it that you cannot see truth when it is clearly in front of you because of your irrational hatred of all things Republican and Bush?
Great sound bite remarks, but as usual for you, wholly inaccurate.
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:15 pm
I said this was going to happen ad nausium here. The Iraqi Sunni and Shia will settle scores going back centuries. I believe that they will turn on any outsider who tries to step in causing even more bloodshed. My biggest fear is Iran using this as an excuse to invade. If that happens, it’s going to be a Tom Clancey novel all over again…just sayin’
getalife
August 19th, 2009
2:16 pm
They removed the check point and the truck bombs got thru to target government buildings.
I guess they quit bribing the Sunnis so they can bribe the taliban.
Geez.
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:17 pm
I always thought Kenya was just Bubba speak for can you…
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:18 pm
The best dems can do is never very good.
See Carter, Clinton, Obama, 110th Congress, 111th Congress, etc, etc
What I see is your brain is interchangable with Katy Abram’s and you don’t have anything specific to say.
And your chutzpah is exponentially off the wall, considering the absolute failure that Bush and the Repubican dominated congresses were and the egregiously low bar you set for your candidates like the untreated Borderline personality, the unemployed Palin and candidate wannabe Michelle Bachman. On their worst days, any of the Dem Presidents you named were infinitely better than Bush.
Your congresses ran this country into the ground and caused the financial debacles, and in order to get a viable Health Care Plan we’re forced to shove your Congress and our Blue Dogs on the payroll of insurance companies aside. Watch us do just that during the nesxt 3 months.
spin libs spin
August 19th, 2009
2:19 pm
“There was a Congressman in the 60’s – from New Hampshire, I believe, who declared “Let’s just declare victory and leave.”
I always thought that sage advice -”
Sure you are not thinking of Wayne Morse of Oregon? He was one of two senators that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:20 pm
Bush was fully qualified to fly the F4, which was the fighter of the day for the Air National Guard. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Dan Rather report was fabricated. Sorry.
After all the lies from Bush, I’ll take Rather’s word over his any day.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
2:21 pm
Taxpayer
And the Congressman who said it was really old, too!
Let it go? Are you nuts?!!? This stuff comes through in cycles. Maybe if lawyers were required to take more history courses we wouldn’t keep playing Peat and RePeat –
pssst – be careful with that ‘ancient history’ stuff – there are a bunch of Vietnam vets here….
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:22 pm
Sure you are not thinking of Wayne Morse of Oregon? He was one of two senators that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.
Spin, who was the other one? I’d like to send them a “Thank You” card…
code pink targets obama
August 19th, 2009
2:24 pm
Speaking of moonbats, Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink will be targeting Obama with peace demonstrations at Martha’s Vinyard this weekend. I hope fat Teddy does not croak from the excitement!
http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Cindy-Sheehan-to-protest-Obama-in-Marthas-Vineyard-next-week
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:26 pm
Taxpayer, 33 months of my life may have been reduced to one paragraph in Middle School Social Sceince books, but it will never be ancient history to me…just sayin’
Jake
August 19th, 2009
2:27 pm
This is just lib/Bookman sensationalism and most of you are buying it. It’s a couple of bombs, it’s not like th eentire country has collapsed in to anarchy. Of course, that may be just around the corner. If the manifest detiny of these countries is some kind of ‘winners get the theocracy of their choice, why has Obama gotten us so deeply involved in yet another country?
spin it
August 19th, 2009
2:27 pm
“Spin, who was the other one? I’d like to send them a “Thank You” card…”
For real. Thank God Nixon got us out of that mess.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
2:28 pm
spinlibs
I don’t think so. Think it was a Congressman, not a senator. Could have been, but when I read about it I remember thinking how it was from a guy who seemed worn down by it all. That didn’t fit Morse’s temperament.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:29 pm
Crush, let’s not forget the egregiously low bar you libs set for your candidates, either. Al “Man-made global warming” Gore (how are you enjoying you second year in a row of cooler temperatures, Crush?), Long Jawn Kerry and the Breck Girl (one’s a gigolo and one has an affair and fathers a baby while his wife has cancer).
Yeah, great role models, Crush. And I don’t need to go into the long list of Clinton issues.
And let’s not forget your stellar lights in the Congress and Senate, either. Barbara “Call me Senator” Boxer, Maxine “Franklin Raines is a God” Waters, Barney “I single-handedly killed the banking industry” Frank, and a host of others.
Both sides excel in electing dolts. Neither the GOP nor the Dems are immune from this, and are in fact, equally represented by the dolt community.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm
Here’s my post. One of you dumba$$es care to prove your claims about what I really said. How about you, DaveR?
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:05 pm
For him to do that Obama would have to be a fighter pilot, like Bush.
A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.
Go for it.
Brad Steel
August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm
Obama’s strategy is to dress up in a cool fighter pilot and declare: “mission accomplished!” per advice from Cheney.
G Gordon Liddy
August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm
Nixons only crime was getting caught.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:32 pm
Colonel Tim Reese said “let’s just declare victory and leave” in a memo recently leaked to NYT (of course it’s a colossal defeat and waste of lives and money hemorrhage and a tragedy of error after error).
U.S. Senator from 1941 to 1975 and former governor, George Aiken from Vermont said this during Vietnam. When he retired, he was the most senior member of the Senate.
anti-war protesters target obama
August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm
From the sheehan article:
“As Byron York observed in the Washington Examiner, “…opposing the war was really about opposing George W. Bush. When Bush disappeared, so did their anti-war passion.”
Incredibly, Sheehan herself seems to agree. Today, York reported that after reading his column, Sheehan contacted him via email and wrote, in part:
I mostly agree with you. The “anti-war” “left” was used by the Democratic Party. I like to call it the “anti-Republican War” movement.
In a follow up phone call with York, Sheehan added:
“I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that even if they supported Obama, he doesn’t represent much change.”"
Wow. Even a moonbat like sheehan gets it. I wonder if she will sell her property in Texas and try to buy some in Taxachusetts?
Article here: http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Cindy-Sheehan-to-protest-Obama-in-Marthas-Vineyard-next-week
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm
Bush is a coward whose daddy got him into the National Guard. The plan was always never to train little Georgie in a plane that would deploy to Nam. When he got orders tng o report for a physical for a plane that was deploying to Nam, he fled AWOL and illegally hid in Alabama and the only thing he flew was cocaine and booze. He then had the records destroyed.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:35 pm
Taxcheat, get with reality. CBS RETRACTED their story on the Bush attendance issue.
RETRACTED.
Means it wasn’t true, or at the very least, could not be proven to be true.
What part of RETRACTED do you not get, Taxcheat?
Al Goron
August 19th, 2009
2:37 pm
Now see here. We have consulted with numerous counsel at the UN and other countries around the world. The general consensus was that the initial cause of global warming could be seen via the oceans/seas retreating, however, it has been confirmed that this particular phenomenon was caused the United States use low flo toilets.
If one recalls during the 1970’s we had global cooling yet now we see the exact opposite or reverse as we move into global warming. Therefore the name has been changed to global climate change, see how we covered all the bases this time? Truth is I stand to make a cool fortune and I would ask you kind Sir to please be quiet and go along to get along.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
2:37 pm
Crushing 2:32
Thanks. There’s something about New England common sense… or was, years ago -
chicken in every pot
August 19th, 2009
2:38 pm
“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not. Next thing you know, someone will claim that both learned something in college just because they both attended. Any takers.
Go for it.”
Ask Dan Rather, he has a lot of free time now. http://www.hdnet.com
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:39 pm
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:26 pm
Taxpayer, 33 months of my life may have been reduced to one paragraph in Middle School Social Sceince books, but it will never be ancient history to me…just sayin’
Normal, that was a jab at Paul’s crack for me to “let it go” for bringing up recent history, as recent as May of 2009, on Bush, the Destroyer.
Captain Underpants
August 19th, 2009
2:40 pm
Crushing the pubt’s
August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm
Raspberries…you are just jealous. Why dont you go find a job or volunteer in the French Foreign Legion. Anything would be better than having you hear spewing lies and half-truths about things of which you obviously know nothing.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:43 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:35 pm
Taxcheat, get with reality. CBS RETRACTED their story on the Bush attendance issue.
RETRACTED.
Means it wasn’t true, or at the very least, could not be proven to be true.
What part of RETRACTED do you not get, Taxcheat?
Get with reality yourself instead of living in your little fantasy world, son. I said read my post and prove it wrong — not make up your own little things in order to proclaim yourself right. I even re-posted it so you would not need to hurt your phalanges scrolling back for it and you still dropped the ball.
truth
August 19th, 2009
2:44 pm
“Bush is a coward whose daddy got him into the National Guard. The plan was always never to train little Georgie in a plane that would deploy to Nam. When he got orders tng o report for a physical for a plane that was deploying to Nam, he fled AWOL and illegally hid in Alabama and the only thing he flew was cocaine and booze. He then had the records destroyed.’
Tell us about your military record. And that post is libelous by nature, and completely false. Bookman would save himself and the AJC possible litigation by deleting it. If Dan Rather was unable to prove any of that, I doubt you can.
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
2:44 pm
Model to be Caned for Drinking Beer in Malaysia
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540504,00.html?test=latestnews
If she was caught drinking a Pabst Blue Ribbon then the punishment certainly fits the crime.
TnGelding
August 19th, 2009
2:45 pm
You can’t help those that don’t want help. Of course this is what most of us feared all along. But maybe strong leaders will emerge to bring sanity to the asylum. We can still hope.
Normal
August 19th, 2009
2:46 pm
Taxpayer, I’m cool with that…
————
Electrician: Where have all the war protesters gone?
Can’t speak for everyone, but when they quit making Geritol….
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
2:48 pm
“Al “Man-made global warming” Gore (how are you enjoying you second year in a row of cooler temperatures, Crush?), ”
Don’t know much about global warming do you?
Booger Bomber
August 19th, 2009
2:48 pm
UH-OH…
Troy Davis troubles may have just begun…
Scientists: It’s Easy to ‘Engineer Crime Scene’ With Fabricated DNA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540641,00.html
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:49 pm
Taxcheat, I don’t have to make things up. Your post is proven wrong by your assertion that Bush didn’t attend his National Guard duty. One of the largest news organizations on the planet tried to prove what you said, couldn’t do so, was alleged to have ether created or used forged documents to try to make their case, was caught, and ended up RETRACTING their story.
What’s it like to live in a fantasy world 24/7, Taxcheat?
Oh, and remember, I’m no fan of Bush, didn’t vote for him either time, and disagreed on his policies most of the time. So don’t try to go down that route.
Your allegation was investigated, and was not proven to be true, nor was it proven to be false. Therefore, it is an unfounded accusation and is wholly inaccurate. Like everything you post in your irrational hatred of everything Bush or Republican.
jconservative
August 19th, 2009
2:50 pm
The seeds of the present day Iraq were laid when the Bush administration decided in Jan 2003 not to deploy the extra 300,000 troops recommended by the war planning group that would be needed to occupy the country. History shows the occupation was a disaster.
Everybody knew that as soon as you had American troops occupying an Muslim country they had just invaded, that every 2 bit terrorist within a thousand miles of Iraq would be trying to get into Iraq to kill American troops.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:51 pm
Doggone, you apparently don’t know much about global temperatures, which were cooler in 2008 than in 2007, and have been trending cooler in 2009.
But then you man-made global warming cultists don’t like to use facts, do you?
@@
August 19th, 2009
2:51 pm
Good grief, Crush!!!!
You and Midori need to head for the bushes and hook up. I’ve never seen to people so enamored with a single thought.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
2:55 pm
Taxcheat, I don’t have to make things up. Your post is proven wrong by your assertion that Bush didn’t attend his National Guard duty. One of the largest news organizations on the planet tried to prove what you said, couldn’t do so, was alleged to have ether created or used forged documents to try to make their case, was caught, and ended up RETRACTING their story.
What’s it like to live in a fantasy world 24/7, Taxcheat?
Oh, and remember, I’m no fan of Bush, didn’t vote for him either time, and disagreed on his policies most of the time. So don’t try to go down that route.
Your allegation was investigated, and was not proven to be true, nor was it proven to be false. Therefore, it is an unfounded accusation and is wholly inaccurate. Like everything you post in your irrational hatred of everything Bush or Republican.
Once again, DaveR, you choose to post your perception of reality rather than the truth. Now, show me precisely where I said what you claim that I said. Cut and paste is perfectly acceptable. Go for it and back up your claims with the proof. I’m waiting. Hell, you cannot even refer to me by my actual moniker so I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to get anything else correct.
@@
August 19th, 2009
2:55 pm
w
I’m always forgettin’ w’s. Maybe the two of you should try it, eh Crush?
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
2:56 pm
The problem, jconservative, was that we had no business invading Iraq in the first place.
Whether the evidence for going in was fabricated or not, Iraq was not, and would never have been a threat to us. That was proven by the (21 days I believe) destruction of their military by our troops.
I really have no idea why Bush felt he needed to go into Iraq, but I have yet to see any proof that our intervention in that country was justified in any way.
Bart S.
August 19th, 2009
2:56 pm
Just because something can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not true. (Nobody saw me do it! Can’t prove anything!) Bush also could not prove he DID report for duty as claimed. My daddy was in the Alabama Air National Guard during those years. Got a picture of Daddy on the tarmac with his plane and his unit. Lots of pics of Daddy and his flight buddies who can still remember him being there. All kinds of photographic and documented evidence of his SERVICE. Why didn’t Bush pull out his and end the ugly rumors? BTW, Daddy never saw the Bush boy neither, and he WAS there.
@@
August 19th, 2009
2:58 pm
My apologies Crush. It’s Taxpayer who should hook up with Midori but then that would be diddling oneself.
SC Birdflyte
August 19th, 2009
3:00 pm
On the issue of Bush’s National Guard service, read BUSH’S WAR FOR RE-ELECTION by Jim Moore, a journalist with years of experience covering W when he was governor of Texas. Proving that the documents CBS used were bogus isn’t the same thing as proving that the “facts” issued by the Bush White House prove that he did complete his service.
crush uses wikipedia
August 19th, 2009
3:01 pm
“Just because something can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not true. (Nobody saw me do it! Can’t prove anything!) Bush also could not prove he DID report for duty as claimed. My daddy was in the Alabama Air National Guard during those years. Got a picture of Daddy on the tarmac with his plane and his unit. Lots of pics of Daddy and his flight buddies who can still remember him being there. All kinds of photographic and documented evidence of his SERVICE. Why didn’t Bush pull out his and end the ugly rumors? BTW, Daddy never saw the Bush boy neither, and he WAS there”
Evidence? Proof? Maybe you should call Dan Rather so he can clear his name?
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
3:02 pm
“Doggone, you apparently don’t know much about global temperatures, which were cooler in 2008 than in 2007, and have been trending cooler in 2009″
Tell that to the melting glaciers and ice caps. They seem to think it’s warmer…by, you know, MELTING. And it’s the melting of the ice that is the danger. If enough ice melts to dilute the salt content of the oceans, that can play major havoc with the major currents, like the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic.
Less saltier water can slow, or even halt, the “conveyor belt” of warmer water that the Gulf Stream (and other currents) convey into the northern latitudes and that mitigates (try “warms”) the temperatures in those latitudes.
If that warmer tropical air is not moved into the northern latitudes the temperatures there will get colder, and the distinct possibility exists that if the temperatures stay lower long enough that an ice age could be triggered.
I know the important facts, which you apparently do NOT. Try looking up the history of “The Little Ice Age” in Europe, which was triggered by a shift in the Gulf Stream conveyor belt of warmer tropical air.
stay on topic
August 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
See how the libs with BDS shift the topic to Bush? We are talking about Obama’s failed policies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Focus.
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
“Gulf Stream conveyor belt of warmer tropical air”
Sorry…”warmer tropical water”
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
Rather’s case against CBS is alive and well at this moment. CBS Corporate covered up information that Bush was a chicken and an AWOL degenerate.
Bush expanded on his dodging service by running this country into a ditch it may never get out of. Iraq is a total failure and has wasted nearly 5000 soldiers’ lives, thousands of contractors’ and hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s lives and over 3 trillion dollars.
A lot of bumper sticker patriots who would never let their kids go to Iraq are at the front of the cheering section of course.
Bush, Cheney, Chambliss and Chambliss’ kid complete cowards.
@@
August 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
DANG! One of my comments got thrown into moderation.
No biggie. Taxpayer/Midori/Bart S. and the Big “O”.
Alright I’m off to run and errand.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:05 pm
Taxcheat at 2:05: “A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not.”
OK, Taxcheat, what part of “could not show up” do you not understand? It was your own post, after all.
Hence, my reply that the CBS story that tried to prove such “not showing up” could not do so. In fact, it appears that they tried to fabricate documents that would back up their claim, which was why the later RETRACTED their story. The CBS RETRACTION of the story is an historical FACT, as is the subsequent FIRING of the producer of the story and the later DEMOTION of Dan Rather. That you don’t know about such facts is not surprising to me, as you avoid them on a daily basis.
Your allegation is without fact and is wholly inaccurate, which is par for the course for you in your irrational hatred of all things Bush and republicans.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
3:06 pm
You’re talking about Bush’s clusterf_ck in Iraq and Bush’s failure in Afghanistan. Bush had 8 years and t6 of them with his majority in Congress. Obama has had a little over 6 months.
No one was judging Bush on anything until he had years to f_ck up everything he touched.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
3:07 pm
Bush had 8 years to ruin Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama has had 6 months to attack his messes.
TnGelding
August 19th, 2009
3:07 pm
stay on topic
August 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
Sorry, but Obama is just letting Bush’s policy in Iraq wind down. It is very similar to what he proposed, however.
verify sources
August 19th, 2009
3:08 pm
“I really have no idea why Bush felt he needed to go into Iraq, but I have yet to see any proof that our intervention in that country was justified in any way.’
Ever heard of the UN? How about a joint resolution?
http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
3:08 pm
No you screw up everything you touch…BLEH!
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:10 pm
Doggone, maybe you can try to show a correlation where the “Little Ice Age in Europe” can be linked to man-made global warming when it was a completely natural event which happened in medieval times before we supposedly started to cause all this global warming.
Nice try, son.
@@
August 19th, 2009
3:11 pm
I take back my apology, Crush.
Bush is a coward whose daddy got him into the National Guard. The plan was always never to train little Georgie in a plane that would deploy to Nam. When he got orders tng o report for a physical for a plane that was deploying to Nam, he fled AWOL and illegally hid in Alabama and the only thing he flew was cocaine and booze. He then had the records destroyed.
You’re riding the rail, too.
RollerGirl
August 19th, 2009
3:11 pm
Crushing the pubts wrote :”There are estimates as high as 3 million widows with children of elementary school or middle school age who have fled Iraq to other Arab countries who aren’t permitted to get licesnses to work in these countries, and a significant percentage of these women have begun working as prostitutes in order to feed their kids and themselves.”
If so, we should create an “office of Pimping” and get our share..we gave them the opportunity, and obama can put the proceeds toward the public option.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
3:12 pm
Taxpayer 2:39
’twasn’t a jab –
Doggone/GA 2:48
Just had to go there, didn’t you……
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
3:13 pm
New NBC/WSJ Poll: 21% Approve of GOP on Health Care Reform
) Despite a month of guns and swastikas, the numbers on Obama’s handling of health care reform haven’t budged (41% approve/47% disapprove; 41/46 last month). Note: the question is about his “handling” — not the proposals themselves.
3) 62% said the town hall mob scenes had no impact on their opinion. 16% said it made them more favorable to reform, 19% said less favorable. Epic Teabagger fail.
4) 60% still think our health care system needs a “complete overhaul” or “major reform.”
5) The big lesson for the White House? Completely ignore Republicans.
House Democrats are probing the nation’s largest insurance companies for lavish spending, demanding reams of compensation data and schedules of retreats and conferences.
Letters sent to 52 insurance companies by Democratic leaders demand extensive documents for an examination of ‘extensive compensation and other business practices in the health insurance industry.” The letters set a deadline of Sept. 14 for the documents.
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, signed the three-page letter dated Monday.
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
3:13 pm
“Doggone, maybe you can try to show a correlation where the “Little Ice Age in Europe” can be linked to man-made global warming when it was a completely natural event which happened in medieval times before we supposedly started to cause all this global warming”
Warming is warming. And it isn’t “man-made” global warming, except in the sense that the amount of greenhouse gases we are emitting are contributing to an acceleration of the warming process…which might, or might not, happen anyway without our contribution. But we are pushing it closer and closer TO happening…and happening faster and faster.
Try learning the FACTS instead of the denier talking points.
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
3:14 pm
“Just had to go there, didn’t you”
Heck, yeah…I’m bored.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
3:14 pm
@@
August 19th, 2009
2:58 pm
My apologies Crush. It’s Taxpayer who should hook up with Midori but then that would be diddling oneself.
Midori is an aok blogger with a good head on her shoulders. As to your diddling yourself, I don’t want to know. With you and your paranoias, there’s just no telling.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:14 pm
Verify Sources, please. Since when do we kowtow to the UN for our national policy? Who do you think was pushing for those resolutions?
The Bush Administration.
It gave them political “cover” to invade a sovereign country that wasn’t threatening our national interests.
Crushing the pubt's
August 19th, 2009
3:15 pm
Do you generally approve or disapprove of the way that Republicans in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform?
Approve ……………………………………..21
Disapprove …………………………………62
Not sure ……………………………………..17
Those town halls were a big win for conservatives!
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:15 pm
Doggone, and cooling is cooling, which is what we’ve been doing for the past 2 years. Sorry to burst your fact bubble.
lol
August 19th, 2009
3:15 pm
“If so, we should create an “office of Pimping” and get our share..we gave them the opportunity, and obama can put the proceeds toward the public option.”
Pimp Czar.
verify
August 19th, 2009
3:18 pm
“Do you generally approve or disapprove of the way that Republicans in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform?
Approve ……………………………………..21
Disapprove …………………………………62
Not sure ……………………………………..17
Those town halls were a big win for conservatives!”
Link? You just make it up as you go.
Doggone/GA
August 19th, 2009
3:19 pm
“Doggone, and cooling is cooling, which is what we’ve been doing for the past 2 years. Sorry to burst your fact bubble”
Is it possible for you to miss the point any MORE completely? “Global warming” leads to a melting of fresh water glaciers and ice caps…which lead to dilution of the oceans…which leads to changes in the tropical warm water conveyor belt…which leads to COOLER TEMPERATURES in the northern latitudes.
Try to keep up with the FACTS. It’s the ocean temperatures that are the base problem, not the air temperatures. But if the ocean temps get warm enough to stop the tropical water conveyor belt for LONG ENOUGH then the air temps could stay cool enough, long enough, to trigger an ice age.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
3:19 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:05 pm
Taxcheat at 2:05: “A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not.”
OK, Taxcheat, what part of “could not show up” do you not understand? It was your own post, after all.
Hence, my reply that the CBS story that tried to prove such “not showing up” could not do so. In fact, it appears that they tried to fabricate documents that would back up their claim, which was why the later RETRACTED their story. The CBS RETRACTION of the story is an historical FACT, as is the subsequent FIRING of the producer of the story and the later DEMOTION of Dan Rather. That you don’t know about such facts is not surprising to me, as you avoid them on a daily basis.
Your allegation is without fact and is wholly inaccurate, which is par for the course for you in your irrational hatred of all things Bush and republicans.
Damn, DaveR, you re-post my post and with the words staring you in the face, you still cannot get it correct. Do I have to hold your hand. Further, even after I pointed out your inaccurate moniker, you continue with it anyway. You are hopeless. And, so full of hate. What is with that, son. Keep trying though. I’ll let you know if you ever get it correct.
TnGelding
August 19th, 2009
3:19 pm
Turd Ferguson
August 19th, 2009
2:00 pm
Bush left a lot of fires to be put out. I just saw her in a news conference with the foreign minister of Colombia:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A new U.S.-Colombia security pact that has angered some South American nations is aimed at fighting drug trafficking and terrorism and will not create U.S. bases in the Andean nation, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090818/pl_nm/us_colombia_usa_1
Markets recover:
DJIA 9,282.03 +64.09 +0.70%
NASDAQ 1,967.54 +11.62 +0.59%
S&P 500 996.27 +6.60 +0.67%
RUT 559.92 +3.49 +0.63%
(Still a ways to go.)
O.K.
August 19th, 2009
3:20 pm
Midori is an aok blogger with a good head on her shoulders.
Self-deprecating humor is to be admired.
TnGelding
August 19th, 2009
3:24 pm
Bottom line, even by Bush’s account he didn’t complete his obligation to the Texas ANG and left the state before receiving his discharge orders. He was also grounded for failing to take a required physical. It would be hard to conclude that he didn’t receive special treatment from beginning to end.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:26 pm
Gee, Taxcheat, maybe I’m missing something here.
You post an erroneous claim about Bush.
I debunk it with facts.
You ignore those facts, and deny you posted an erroneous claim about Bush.
I point out the denial by using your own erroneous post, and you still deny you did it.
What part am I missing?
eagle scout
August 19th, 2009
3:26 pm
Dave R….I hate to break it to you, but Dan Bartlett (Bush’s Spokesman) told the news media the REASON Bush did not show up for his flight physical was because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Texas. Anyone who has ever been on flight status in the armed forces knows that your personal physician does not administer flight physicals this is done by a “flight surgeon!” Bush was assigned to Maxwell AFB…Where there would be plenty of flight surgeons available. In other words Bartlett lied, or didn’t know what he was talking about.
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
3:28 pm
What do ya mean ‘WHERE ARE THE ANTI-WAR PROTESTORS?” Right here. Bookman carries right on. Never let a bomb go off that he doesn’t blame our troops Yeah.
“Iraq:When the best we can do isn’t very good” so moans Bookman as he sobs into his white flag.
Yes, sir, that will make our troops who have won the war in Iraq feel real good. Just because our military gave freedom to a whole country, Bookman is going to tell us how it is no good. And all his loyal complainers fall in behind him. Makes those laying down their lives in Afghanistan feel special also.
Did you dingbats ever realize that you CAN support American troops instead of the terrorist types? Don’t give me that old “I support the troops but I don’t like war.” What a pure cop out. You wouldn’t have a country if we hadn’t had a war.
Here we have a bunch of apologizing complaining sissies. It is pitiful.
———————————————————————-
Note to RedNeck Convert,
If you plan to strip nekked for security, please give me time to run.. There are some sights that no human should be forced to observe.
we report
August 19th, 2009
3:28 pm
How about that public option with the health care bill? Sebelius sure killed that bill.
Move On is livid: http://publicoptionisto.org/?a=30-Omdmxlx
Jake
August 19th, 2009
3:28 pm
Can we verify his MOS and whether or not he actually strapped in and took off in one of those F4’s? Just leaving the ground one time would be infinity X what Bookman’s done for his country!
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:29 pm
Doggone, when that happens, such an ice age will . . . wait for it . . . COOL OFF THE PLANET even further, which will debunk the whole man-made global warming thing once an for all, as we will have done nothing to stop it from cooling off, just as we have done nothing to warm it up.
Laura Bush
August 19th, 2009
3:29 pm
George W Bush is a great man so SHUT UP you bunch of punks.
crush censored, waaaahh
August 19th, 2009
3:30 pm
“Gee, Taxcheat, maybe I’m missing something here.
You post an erroneous claim about Bush.
I debunk it with facts.
You ignore those facts, and deny you posted an erroneous claim about Bush.
I point out the denial by using your own erroneous post, and you still deny you did it.
What part am I missing?’
At least Bookman pulled crush’s bs.
Big Pimpin
August 19th, 2009
3:30 pm
YO!! Dont hate the playa, hate the game.
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
3:30 pm
Yep, what this country needs are a few more heroes (or is it drunks and smackheads?) who’ll risk everything to jump to the front of the line to get into that amazingly dangerous Texas ANG.
And a whole lot less of those guys who sailed up and down the firefight laden Mekong River in order to get a few bandaid Purple Hearts.
Especially if you’re gonna be the “War President”.
Courage, valor and heroism Republiconned style.
That any of these blithering idiots still tries to play that yellow Bush/Cheney/Chambliss card is pathetic…
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:30 pm
So, all this, and still I wonder why in the hell are we there?
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:31 pm
Luckovich needs to run his “Why” cartoon again.
RW-(the original)
August 19th, 2009
3:32 pm
Three million Iraqi hookers have hit the streets???
That’s a new one.
Booger Bandit
August 19th, 2009
3:33 pm
Obama is to politics as the Pontiac Aztek is to a fine luxury automobile.
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:33 pm
Dusty,
You and I have seeminly been getting along so well lately, but I have to ask about this:
“You wouldn’t have a country if we hadn’t had a war.”
Really?
reality
August 19th, 2009
3:33 pm
Might as well talk about Bush’s military service. Sure can’t talk about obama’s.
Captain Underpants
August 19th, 2009
3:34 pm
Are you saying we can turn Obama in via the cash for clunkers program?
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
3:35 pm
To further that though, think about the fact that the only combat-tested veterans of any note in the GOP in the past 10 years or so have all been disowned: Dole, McCain and Hagel.
Are there ANY others?
Seriously?
And the chest pounders in the 101st Chariborne think they are the party that can defend this nation.
When really all they can do is needlessly spill other American’s blood…
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:35 pm
Eagle Scout, I hate to break it to you, but that doesn’t prove he wasn’t attending his training. Remember, I don’t know if he did or didn’t, and the point I’m trying to make is, neither do you, nor does the Taxcheat.
If CBS news can’t find the proof (especially with their use of likely forged documents), given their unholy bias against Bush, Republicans and conservatives in general, then the issue will always be one of speculation, and not proven.
Which is why Taxcheat and Crush will forever be wrong when they claim as an absolute that Bush didn’t attend Guard training.
yo
August 19th, 2009
3:36 pm
“YO!! Dont hate the playa, hate the game.”
Fo realz.
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:36 pm
Oh, and kudos to Barney Frank for giving it back to the yellers. “Dining room table” — snort. Good one Barney.
wow
August 19th, 2009
3:39 pm
“When really all they can do is needlessly spill other American’s blood…’
Your president obama is doing that. Ask Cindy Sheehan.
Jackie
August 19th, 2009
3:42 pm
@TnGelding
If Dubya can produce a DD214 and a pilot’s license for the time he was in ANG training in Alabama, it will prove he completed his training, otherwise, he was AWOL.
lol
August 19th, 2009
3:42 pm
“Are you saying we can turn Obama in via the cash for clunkers program?”
No, it has to be made in the US.
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
3:43 pm
And I have excoriated BHO repeatedly wow wimp.
But you and the same sentiment about your hero of the Texas ANG?
Of course not.
You thought it was all find and dandy while other kids were dying so you could sit on the couch and eat bon bons.
And (assuming you’re old enough) you likely voted for that lying little pr!ck. Twice.
Good job, cowardly conned…
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
3:44 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:26 pm
Gee, Taxcheat, maybe I’m missing something here.
You post an erroneous claim about Bush.
I debunk it with facts.
You ignore those facts, and deny you posted an erroneous claim about Bush.
I point out the denial by using your own erroneous post, and you still deny you did it.
What part am I missing?
Hint number one – My moniker is not taxcheat. It is simply one of many pigments of your imagination.
Hint number two – I never once mentioned CBS or Dan Rather, you did.
Try again, son.
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
3:44 pm
Pstttt.. boschie,
I refer to the Revolutionary War. That one. George Washington? The British? Where were you when they passed out American history?
(Taxi & Doggie…please don’t say that we lost that one and you have proof that we surely did lose.)
Laura Bush
August 19th, 2009
3:44 pm
President Bush will produce what he wants when he wants and you will do nothing about it. So PUNKS…SHUT UP!
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:44 pm
Yeah, Bosch, it’s always great to yell at your constituents when they are right, isn’t it?
Of course, when your district is gerrymandered to ensure your reelection every two years, you really don’t have to listen to opposing views, do you?
RW-(the original)
August 19th, 2009
3:45 pm
It is incomprehensible that investigative journalists could get so much wrong about a story without a malicious intent to deceive the American people. How is it possible that LWM investigative journalists didn’t inform the American people that there was “no waiting list” to get into the Texas Air National Guard (147th Fighter Interceptor Group [FIG]) as a pilot in May 1968? ( p.46 -47 ) How is it possible that the American people weren’t informed that F-102 pilots from GWB’s unit were flying combat missions in Vietnam at the very time George W Bush (GWB) applied for pilot duty and that President Bush (while in the ANG) volunteered for service in Vietnam? ( p.130 ) As you review the LWM hoaxes below, you should appreciate that Dan Rather’s CBS 60 Minutes was just the tip of iceberg of the fraud perpetrated by media on the American people in an effort to defeat a sitting President of the United States.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
3:48 pm
Crushing 3:13
Do you approve of the Executive not being able to get such information without a warrant, yet any Congressman can demand any information from any company any time they want?
Doggone/GA
Not bored now, I trust?
You may remember some discussed a certain presentation concerning global warming. I think this particular presentation should be required viewing or listening prior to any discussions.
http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=2994
Bosch
With this administration and its supporters with blinders, it’s more like ‘why not?’
Regarding Barney: we had a town hall here last night. Really nice. People were polite, respectful, lots of concerns and questions appropriately stated. Congressman’s a doctor. He’s also holding separate meetings with owners of small businesses.
Sen Dick Durbin, Dem and Senate Majority Whip, won’t meet with his constituents. With courage like that….
pollster
August 19th, 2009
3:48 pm
New crushing the pubts obama poll just in!
For obama: 120%
Against obama:-30%
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:48 pm
Taxcheat, I don’t care what you want to be called. Get over it.
Two. You claimed that Bush didn’t attend his Guard training. That claim has never been proven. I pointed out to you that even CBS could not prove it.
I simply pointed out to you that your claim has never been proven.
Get over it.
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:49 pm
Dave R.,
No, I’m with him – if someone actually stands up and starts in with the “Nazi” crap – they deserve what they get.
Dusty,
Yeah, I know about THAT war, but I don’t think we NEED war and should celebrate war just because we’re a country and all.
RollerGirl
August 19th, 2009
3:49 pm
Democratic Party ratings plummet
The percentage of Americans who hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party has slipped below 50 percent for the first time since President Barack Obama took office, according to a new Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.
Only 49 percent of Americans now hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party, down from 62 percent in the same poll shortly after Obama assumed office. Democratic favorable ratings hovered around 60 percent as recently as April
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26262.html#ixzz0OezYw9Pi
Paul
August 19th, 2009
3:51 pm
RW-(the original) 3:35
Facts are such pesky things….
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:51 pm
Paul,
If I could stick my tongue out at you right now I would. Okay, summer’s over and I’m off to work doing the duties I put off all summer.
Play nice kids.
RollerGirl
August 19th, 2009
3:52 pm
Congressional Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve30.3
Disapprove60.0
Generic Congressional Vote
RCP Average
Democrats43.3
Republicans42.5
Direction of Country
RCP Average
Right Direction39.0
Wrong Track55.0
Dems should be rocking huge numbers, afterall, they could pass this on their own, they have the numbers in the congress..but instead they have fallen back even..and heading lower:)
Bart S.
August 19th, 2009
3:52 pm
Dave R, and I’m still wondering why Bush didn’t prove he WAS there. Not saying you’re wrong or right, just wondering. Daddy can prove it in five minutes. Why wouldn’t a man running for President be willing to prove it?
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
3:52 pm
boschie,
I refer to the Revolutionary War when I say we wouldn’t have a country without war. You remember. Georgie Washington? The British? Ring a bell??
(Taxi & Doggie…Do me a favor and don’t say you have proof that we lost that war and Washington was a loser. OK?)
Bosch
August 19th, 2009
3:53 pm
Roller Girl,
Sad thing about those polls are – GOP numbers ain’t gone up.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:53 pm
Bosch, except that it was the National Socialist Party in Germany (that would be the NAZI’s to you), who took over the health care system of their country.
Sorry, but history says you and Barney are wrong on this one.
CHRIS
August 19th, 2009
3:56 pm
Lets leave now why wait?
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
3:57 pm
Sorry about the double post @3:52. I got an error report saying it did not go through the first time.. Oh well….
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:58 pm
Bart, I’m with you. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of the lunatic fringe on both sides here. This is no different than the birthers and President Hope & Change. Both sides could and should have released everything they had to prove their points. That they didn’t shows that both Presidents miscalculated the public’s desire to know more about them.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
3:58 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:35 pm
Eagle Scout, I hate to break it to you, but that doesn’t prove he wasn’t attending his training. Remember, I don’t know if he did or didn’t, and the point I’m trying to make is, neither do you, nor does the Taxcheat.
If CBS news can’t find the proof (especially with their use of likely forged documents), given their unholy bias against Bush, Republicans and conservatives in general, then the issue will always be one of speculation, and not proven.
Which is why Taxcheat and Crush will forever be wrong when they claim as an absolute that Bush didn’t attend Guard training.
Then again, there will also always apparently be what you claim to be what I wrote versus reality, i.e., what I really wrote. And, of course there is your on-going inability to address me by my actual moniker, a sign of insolence and disrespect. Not that I had any higher expectations for you though. Now, keep trying son.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
4:01 pm
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
3:44 pm
Pstttt.. boschie,
I refer to the Revolutionary War. That one. George Washington? The British? Where were you when they passed out American history?
(Taxi & Doggie…please don’t say that we lost that one and you have proof that we surely did lose.)
I would not dream of challenging your likely first-hand knowledge, Dusty.
GreenJeans
August 19th, 2009
4:01 pm
Folks, the last few days here have been rollicking! All this pent-up frustration in our country, ideological warfare in these pages, guns toted to Town Hall meetings…I for one am daily thankful for our freedom to wrestle in this public mud.
On Iraq: There were plenty of us asking, before the invasion, what happens afterward? How do we drop freedom and democracy into that hole and expect them to sprout and look like us? Two-hundred forty-some-odd years later, even we don’t look like us.
The answer, if memory serves, is that the PNAC (whose membership seems to be evaporating, after a quick weekend check) expected that we’d stay there to tend the farm. Permanently. I believed then, and now, that this group and their ilk wanted to recreate Rome…never expecting we’d have our tails handed to us be shown the door.
Only the un-reality-based community was surprised.
And because the PNAC and their ilk do not like to have their tails handed to them and be shown the door, we’re now seeing all of those metal pen!ses being flashed at the Town Hall meetings. But that’s another thread.
On Dan Rather and the CBS documents: If memory serves again, the content was never questioned by those close to the matter, only the fact that it had been reproduced on a word processor. A technical foul, but a foul nonetheless. Follow the money/power trails leading away from that stink bomb, and we’ve got a case study in all things wrong with politicians and politics.
Peace.
RW-(the original)
August 19th, 2009
4:01 pm
Facts are such pesky things….
Paul,
Yes they are.
Dusty
August 19th, 2009
4:03 pm
boschie,
We don’t celebrate war just because we fight. We celebrate the people brave enough to fight for our country and our protection.. It is called appreciation.
Paul
August 19th, 2009
4:04 pm
RW-(the original)
Make that, facts are such really pesky things!
Bart S.
August 19th, 2009
4:05 pm
Dave R., except that proof of Obama’s American birth HAS been verified with all the documentation and witnesses that anyone else is asked or expected to provide. So… not the same thing. Also, Bush’s service or lack thereof would not have been an issue had his campaign not actively attacked the service of a man who WAS actually in the war. Glass houses, stones, and the inability to trust the surly kid down the block who throws rocks.
RW-(the original)
August 19th, 2009
4:05 pm
Sad thing about those polls are – GOP numbers ain’t gone up.
Bosch,
You’ve really got to quit believing all the pap Jay B serves up.
Republican candidates have now matched their biggest lead over Democrats of the past several years on the Generic Congressional Ballot.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
4:08 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
3:48 pm
Taxcheat, I don’t care what you want to be called. Get over it.
Two. You claimed that Bush didn’t attend his Guard training. That claim has never been proven. I pointed out to you that even CBS could not prove it.
I simply pointed out to you that your claim has never been proven.
Get over it.
Get over yourself, DaveR. Further, try showing a little respect for other bloggers if you want to see any in return. Finally, I made no such claims, you did. Go back and re-read my post… again. Better yet, find someone to read it and explain it to you. Keep trying, son, though I must let you know that even I can only tolerate so much of your childishness and I am a very patient person.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
4:08 pm
Taxcheat, did you or did you not write the following at 2:05?
“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not.”
I quote: “Could not even show up when he was supposed to.” Really? Do you have proof about that? CBS couldn’t prove it, but the almighty Taxcheat has the proof!
‘Nuff said.
And yes, my referring to you as Taxcheat is a sign of disrespect. Glad you could at least figure that out. I have no respect for those who blindly attack others without facts to back their points up. That is your way of life on this blog, Taxcheat. Try doing something different, and maybe I’ll show you some respect – if you earn it.
number1ninja
August 19th, 2009
4:12 pm
The “lunatic left fringe” is anybody who is in power according to the idiots. Anybody who thinks the tools of the status quo will ever be “liberal” is a moron.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
4:13 pm
Bart, you are correct – now. Why it took Hope & Change so long to do so is beyond me.
And I will point out that while supporters of Bush certainly attacked Long Jawn for his somewhat questionable service (see Swift Boaters), the Bush campaign did not to my recollection.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
4:18 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
4:08 pm
Taxcheat, did you or did you not write the following at 2:05?
“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not.”
I quote: “Could not even show up when he was supposed to.” Really? Do you have proof about that? CBS couldn’t prove it, but the almighty Taxcheat has the proof!
‘Nuff said.
And yes, my referring to you as Taxcheat is a sign of disrespect. Glad you could at least figure that out. I have no respect for those who blindly attack others without facts to back their points up. That is your way of life on this blog, Taxcheat. Try doing something different, and maybe I’ll show you some respect – if you earn it.
Well, DaveR, since you have now openly admitted that you intentionally display disrespect toward someone that you don’t even know while simultaneously demanding an explanation for your errors, over and over and over, I will no longer respond to your utter ignorance and stupidity. So, have fun jerking off, jerkoff. As a reminder of this, I will occassionally post a copy of this message whenever you post one of your disrespectful messages addressed to taxcheat or whomever. Don’t say that I did not give you a chance, again, son.
AmVet
August 19th, 2009
4:20 pm
Yeah the Republicans are ahead!
NO wait! It’s the Democrats!
No wait again! It’s the Republicans!
NO! This poll says its the Democrats!
You dolts.
How many decades is it gonna take for some of you to wake the f up?
How many more debacles like the one last September? How many more botched invasions? How many more years of injustice and lies?
They OWN you. YOU work for THEM. There’s a gnat’s ass difference between the two and all you do is have pissin’ contests back and forth about which is the worst.
NO ONE hsa the temerity to claim they are great. Or even effective anymore.
They are both failures and you are too f’ing stupid to even realize it while you are getting royally hosed by the very people you cheer for.
Man, am I glad I’m getting near the autumn of my days…
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
4:28 pm
Taxcheat,
And I would care about you posting your hatred . . . why?
number1ninja
August 19th, 2009
4:41 pm
Soooooo, did anybody think Obama was really going to pull the troops out? And why are the Bushies complaining about it, isn’t that what they wanted? So bizarre.
roger
August 19th, 2009
4:45 pm
“Man, am I glad I’m getting near the autumn of my days…’
Go get some end of life counseling and come on back.
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
4:48 pm
Taxpayer
August 19th, 2009
4:18 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
4:08 pm
Taxcheat, did you or did you not write the following at 2:05?
“A self-proclaimed “fighter pilot” that could not even show up when he was supposed to but perhaps I’m just being too picky, demanding the truth and what not.”
I quote: “Could not even show up when he was supposed to.” Really? Do you have proof about that? CBS couldn’t prove it, but the almighty Taxcheat has the proof!
‘Nuff said.
And yes, my referring to you as Taxcheat is a sign of disrespect. Glad you could at least figure that out. I have no respect for those who blindly attack others without facts to back their points up. That is your way of life on this blog, Taxcheat. Try doing something different, and maybe I’ll show you some respect – if you earn it.
Well, DaveR, since you have now openly admitted that you intentionally display disrespect toward someone that you don’t even know while simultaneously demanding an explanation for your errors, over and over and over, I will no longer respond to your utter ignorance and stupidity. So, have fun jerking off, jerkoff. As a reminder of this, I will occassionally post a copy of this message whenever you post one of your disrespectful messages addressed to taxcheat or whomever. Don’t say that I did not give you a chance, again, son.
ralph
August 19th, 2009
4:49 pm
“Man, am I glad I’m getting near the autumn of my days…’
There is a God.
GreenJeans
August 19th, 2009
5:04 pm
“Man, am I glad I’m getting near the autumn of my days…”
I get his toys!!
Seriously, AmVet, sometimes it does feel like we are one swirl short of a final flush. And then I get the creepy feeling that a hunnart years from now our descendents will be arguing in much the same way, over many of the same things. Oh sure, fashion, politics, countries may change, but you can’t read ancient literature without recognizing our human selves.
And don’t go cocktailing the medicin bottles; it wouldn’t be the same without ya in here.
hopey changey
August 19th, 2009
5:07 pm
Here ya go amvet: http://yfrog.com/5hshovelready2j
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
5:20 pm
Taxcheat at 4:18:
“I will no longer respond to your utter ignorance and stupidity.”
And yet, I thought you’d really mean it this time.
Ahhh, well. C’est la vie!
hope and change?
August 19th, 2009
5:23 pm
“So, have fun jerking off, jerkoff.”
Your stupid is showing.
md
August 19th, 2009
6:18 pm
Dave R, you are trying to argue with someone that only sees one side – his. He’s so entrenched on the left that he can’t see other views even if he wanted to. Also, notice a pattern. If he gets called on his made up allegations, he spends the rest of the day spinning and twisting in an attempt to make the one that called him out look like the one that was wrong. He’s either very lost or playing games.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
6:28 pm
Yeah, md. It’s nice to know that there are some things in this world that can’t change.
Taxcheat is one of them. Never answers questions asked of him. Never strays from his hatred of all things Republican and Bush. Never backs up his assertions with facts. Always picks up his marbles (those that fall out of his cranium) and cries when caught.
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
6:50 pm
You know, Bookman might just be on to something with the title of his post.
“Iraq: When the best we can do isn’t very good ”
If the best we’ve got is President Hope & Change, then it isn’t very good. Thanks, Jay! You’re coming around to the thinking side!
David Hume
August 19th, 2009
7:30 pm
When you read the posts by conservatives here, listen to the circus barkers of talk radio, the screaming heads of Fox television, and many of their elected officials, such as the half-wit Palin, it is easy to see why the GOP is shrinking into an island apart from the mainstream and consists more and more of increasingly embittered and ignorant people. Entertainers and fatuous blowhards such as Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck none of whom has a degree of any kind, no journalistic training, research, writing, or reporting experience and who haven’t read fifty books among them, are actually taken seriously by millions of disgruntled, angry, people who think that they have something to say. The GOP has become the most unintelligent laughing stock of a major political party in the Western world.
Keep it up with the “birther,” “tea party escapades,” Hitler comparisons, and crazy rants at politicians in Town Hall meetings, and you will wander in the political wilderness for years, which is where the GOP in its present dumbed down to the core configuration belongs.
oh noes
August 19th, 2009
7:37 pm
TELEPROMPTER JESUS
If you’ve got a problem,
Or even think you might,
Just tell him, and he’s on it
He’ll make everything all right.
He’s the D.C. Santa Claus,
He’ll meet every need,
He can stop the polar thaws,
cause the oceans to recede.
(Voter Chorus)
Give us everything we want,
We know you want to please us,
If they type it, you will read it,
You’re the Teleprompter Jesus !
Cash For Clunkers, Bailouts,
Porkulus and TARP !
Took G.M. and Chrysler,
and he’s still looking sharp !
Geithner and Pelosi,
Biden, Harry Reid,
Gonna work together to get
Everything we need.
(Children’s Chorus, groaning under the weight of debt)
Give them everything they want,
But if you want to please us,
Make our parents pay their share,
You’re the Teleprompter Jesus !
Nine Trillion, Ten Trillion,
Eleven Trillion debt,
As long as China’s lending,
Then he ain’t finished yet.
Spending all this money,
It’s really not so hard,
When he puts the charges on
our childrens’ credit card.
(Groaning Chorus of Debtor-Fetuses)
Give them just a little less,
We know you want to please us,
Don’t read everything they type,
Dear Teleprompter Jesus !
Jesus fed five thousand
With some fishes and some bread,
Our Man could print a trillion bucks
With one nod of his head.
Gonna spread the wealth around
At least that’s the plan,
It won’t cost you a penny,
You don’t make two-fifty grand.
(Final Chorus, repeat and fade)
Give us everything we want,
We know you want to please us,
If they type it, you will read it,
You’re the Teleprompter Jesus !
TnGelding
August 19th, 2009
8:03 pm
Dave R.
August 19th, 2009
6:50 pm
Isn’t Obama just letting Bush’s exit strategy continue? Aren’t you really denigrating the military and Gates instead of him?
It was mission imposssible at the beginning and still probably is.
David Hume
August 19th, 2009
8:56 pm
I agree Tn. When Bush and Rumsfeld ignored the advice of generals who told them that they would need a large peacekeeping force from the very outset to provide the necessary security to develop stable democratic political institutions (which were alien to their history) any subsequent efforts were rendered nugatory. It increasingly appears to be an irremediable situation in Iraq and the U.S. should pull out after over six years there and see what can be accomplished in Afghanistan which remains a real threat to others.
On a different note “axpayer,” (we are all taxpayers so you hardly individuate yourself with such a handle) the Lt. Governor of Texas admitted, on record and with regret, that he assisted Bush in leapfrogging over hundreds of applicants to the Air National Guard. That was commonplace at the time and I know people who used political influence to gain admission ahead of others to avoid Vietnam. However, Bush claimed that he supported the war, so why didn’t he, like Kerry volunteer to fight the North Vietnamese who were not in Texas or Alabama but ten thousand miles away? I would politely suggest cowardice. It took the Bush administration a week to scare up one person who claimed he saw Bush show up in Alabama for duty and they failed to produce paperwork showing that he did anything other than draw a check. And not showing up at that time, and being paid nonetheless, was also commonplace as many have written as such with their own first hand experience.
Bush was a disaster, an utterly failed commander in chief who presented a bogus case of WMD which was utterly disproved by the CIA and U.N. inspections. The only people who continue to defend him are diehards who are impervious to the harm his policies did and are dogmatically locked into their political ideology such that they cannot listen to reason, argument, or evidence. Similar to that woman who Barney Frank put in her place today..” trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.” The same applies to at least a third of the Republican Party’s membership. And if one doubts that listen to Fox, Limbaugh, Paul Broun, and the people who write here. With a few more brains they would be halfwits.
david hume is on crack
August 20th, 2009
7:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrlDlrLDSQ
N.J.
August 20th, 2009
12:27 pm
Latest poll of disapproval of Republicans is rather high, and their approval ratings are dropping…again:
Quinnipiac University Poll. July 27-Aug. 3, 2009. N=2,409 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 2.
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“Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?”
7/27 – 8/3/09
Approve 29 Disapprove 59 Unsure 12
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
On the issue of health care it is even worse:
“Do you generally approve or disapprove of the way that Republicans in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform?
8/15-17/09
Approve 21 Disapprove 62 Unsure 17
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
N.J.
August 20th, 2009
12:30 pm
As far as Iraq goes, to suggest Obama has anything to so with that is again, a large joke. Had the United States done it his way, we never would have been there at all.
N.J.
August 20th, 2009
9:24 pm
And Obama. like every other Middle East specialist with years of experience on Iraq stated from the start that it would be impossible to create any sort of democracy in either Iraq or Afghanistan.
The idea that anything close to democracy can be superimposed on other cultures, particularly those that had no part in the European enlightenment of the late 18th century is completely daft.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm
http://www.imeem.com/artists/dire_straits/music/Umbib3Ya/dire-straits-love-over-gold-album-version/