‘We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through … the vote.’
Here’s a video — a quickly and rather slickly produced video — starring that gentleman who found it necessary to walk around the rally in Phoenix armed with an AR-15. I don’t know the significance of “4409″ but I imagine we will in short order.
Money quote:
“The British weren’t stealing money from us for health care. They weren’t taxing us the way they are now back then. And what did we do? We forcefully kicked them out of our country. And we will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority through the vote. Just because you sic the government on people doesn’t make it morally OK to steal money from people. Taxation is theft. All taxation.”
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Finn McCool
August 18th, 2009
10:58 am
You don’t like paying taxes that support services in this society then you should get the F out.
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
10:58 am
Yea Baby…1st!
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:01 am
The ones draggin down society by their lack of character and morals, see welfare/food stamp/other wasteful govt spending program recipients listing, should get out.
getalife
August 18th, 2009
11:02 am
Already post that.
Jay is second.
w’s terror laws should be used on these terrorists before they kill more innocent Americans.
Karma.
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:02 am
Hey Finnius McCoolAid…how many Woodruff Park homeless did you and your bleeding heart assist this weekend?
Jefferson
August 18th, 2009
11:03 am
Same as farting in an elevator, bad manners.
Matilda
August 18th, 2009
11:15 am
No argument for arming myself has been more convincing than the escalation of gun and ammo purchases and crazy mouth-frothing public stunts by angry white kooks and American Talibaptist extremists blathering and spewing about what a danger peace- and health-loving Democrats are to the sanctity of American freedom since November 5th of last year.
Congrats, wingnuts! You’ve convinced me. Now get the *bleep* off my lawn! Hahaha! I see now! Y’all don’t want to play nice — OR fair! GOT IT! (This could be FUN, you know!)
demwit
August 18th, 2009
11:15 am
Isn’t it illegal to carry a firearm in America now?
Mrs. Godzilla
August 18th, 2009
11:16 am
won’t these folks end up unpleasantly surprised……
and all those patriot act powers in the hands of the liberals!
from here on in, not a single one of them will be able to fart or exhibit bad manners without a cadre of watchers and listeners.
let’s watch the watch list grow…….
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:17 am
“Angry white kooks”. LOL. Your colors are showing.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
August 18th, 2009
11:20 am
Jay, I read, with interest, last night’s exchange with @@, and have a question and a comment.
First, when she posted the personal data was it headed to me in response to one of enticements?
Next, when you write, “After all, a woman who can turn down Wyld Byll must apparently have extraordinary willpower” it under lines the core differences between the liberal and conservative philosophies. Where you see a “turn down” I feel anticipation building to a fevered pitch for that moment of sweet surrender that I hold so dear in my dreams. And, Like Delta used to be, Ol’ Wyld Byll’s ready when @@ is.
@@, my little sugar plum, you needn’t pass the information through Jay when you can send it directly to wyldbyllhyltnyr@gmail.com. Until then.
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
11:21 am
Mrs. G –
11:16 –
here’s hoping.
TnGelding
August 18th, 2009
11:22 am
Armed, dangerous and irrational!
@@
August 18th, 2009
11:23 am
That guy’s Obama’s cousin!!?!!
Rather presumptuous of the media guy. Would that be Botched or Boxer reporting?
Standing firm on principles. It’s a good thing.
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
11:23 am
Mrs. G – actually, the more I think about it, wouldn’t it be great to see them hoisted on their own petard …
Matilda
August 18th, 2009
11:23 am
Turd, and I can smell you from here. What’s your point?
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:27 am
Mrs. Godzilla
August 18th, 2009
11:16 am
Your list is maintained and investigated by the SS and FBI. Any hope of liberals clamping down is weak at best.
Nice try though!
godless heathen
August 18th, 2009
11:27 am
1) Take one kook.
2) Publicize the kook.
3) Infer that all those that agree with kook on one issue, agree with the kook on all issues and therefore are also kooks.
And the libs here will rise to the bait of poor logic.
TnGelding
August 18th, 2009
11:28 am
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:01 am
That welfare money spends just as well as the military-industrial complex waste does. How many grocery stores would close if not for food stamps? How many farmers would lose their farms? How many children would go to bed hungry?
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
11:31 am
TnG –
“That welfare money spends just as well as the military-industrial complex waste does”
economically speaking, it actually spends better as people at the bottom of end of the spectrum have a higher marginal propensity to spend than those at the upper end of the spectrum.
stands for decibels
August 18th, 2009
11:34 am
And the libs here will rise to the bait of poor logic.
Naw, I don’t much care–I just shut the thing down after I got tired of the video hiccupping for about 30 seconds.
My takeaway was “We’re not racists and sexists because we got a colored guy and a chick on our side.”
md
August 18th, 2009
11:35 am
“economically speaking, it actually spends better as people at the bottom of end of the spectrum have a higher marginal propensity to spend than those at the upper end of the spectrum.”
Hence one of the reasons many are where they are. Some had it and enjoyed spending it, never planned for a rainy day, and now want help.
FrankLeeDarling
August 18th, 2009
11:35 am
The madness and the sadness
people feeling high and healthy
on lies fed to them by the wealthy
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:38 am
Cash for Clunkers now just sputtering along.
Clunkers Pile Up As Dealerships Wait For Gov. Money
http://www.turnto23.com/southwest_county/20438243/detail.html
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:40 am
Here HERE md!!
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 18th, 2009
11:41 am
I’ve asked this question before – is the current health system ok? Are any of the conservative concerned about the increasing costs of healthcare? If so, then what would you recommend to keep costs in check? What plan would you propose that would help everyone and keep a high level of quality care?
getalife
August 18th, 2009
11:43 am
Yup, cons are free to leave this country and bringing guns to a health care debate is a bad side effect of the con mental disorder.
Pity them.
Paul
August 18th, 2009
11:43 am
What’s really, really scary with these types is
they actually believe what they’re saying.
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
11:44 am
md –
“Hence one of the reasons many are where they are. Some had it and enjoyed spending it, never planned for a rainy day, and now want help”
ohfercryingoutloud. marginal propensity to spend refers to the likelihood of spending vs. saving (or investing) of $1 additional dollar from a base amount. $1. so get off your high self-righteous horse.
if you were making $150/week and your pay increases to $151/week, it’s not like you’re likely to say “woowoo!!! now I can start that retirement fund I’ve always wanted!!!” … more likely than not, you’re thinking that it’s going to mean gas in your car, food in your belly or paying a bill.
Mrs. Godzilla
August 18th, 2009
11:45 am
Turd
You may remember the recent hubbub regarding a report on right wing terrorists…..these knuckleheads proceed at their own risk.
stands for decibels
August 18th, 2009
11:46 am
If so, then what would you recommend to keep costs in check?
oooh, I know! Increased competition! more private enterprise!
which is enabled, somehow, by offering bailout money in the form of tax credits to keep the status quo aloft for… well, long enough for me to get mine and screw everyone else.
I can also make Dick Armey-like grunts about “allowin’ them to go ‘cross state lines”, for the right price.
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:47 am
As long as we, the working class, are expected to pay for the bums and indigent and illegals I anticipate no reduction in HCare costs and expect them to increase. Overall Im satisfied with my coverage, costs and am willing to endure the ever increasing costs.
My reasoning is based on prefering HCare over OboboCare and the sure to come incompetence that will be thru-out the latter.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 18th, 2009
11:48 am
Let’s finish his thoughts, shall we?-
“I come from another state where open carry is legal, but no one does it, so police don’t really know about it, and they harass people and arrest people falsely,” he said. “In America, people have the ability to fight back and resist.”
He knows his rights.
"Numbnuts" Bookwoman
August 18th, 2009
11:48 am
It’s not my fault that said person is only making $151 a week.
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
11:52 am
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
11:44 am
Its simply a case of who prepares and who doesnt. A friend of mine worked for AllState Ins 22 years and made close to $50K annually at his time of layoff. Over his 22 years he contributed a whopping 1% to his 401K.
His money was spent on trips to Mexico, FL, VA etc. He did have about a pitiful $12K in his 401K but chose to us that as downpayment on a 2007 Mustang which he didnt like so 30 days later he traded it for a 2007 Mustang GT which he didnt like so 30 days later he traded it for a Dodge Ram pickup. He has about 36 of the 72 easy monthly payments of $469 monthly to make and it out of a job with ZERO prospects.
Do I feel for him…sure…did he make his bed…sure.
PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY.
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 18th, 2009
11:53 am
Turd – one question – WILL you be able to afford the ‘ever increasing costs of healthcare? I think that is the argument or at least what the ‘discussion’ should be about. I’ve seen my costs go up and coverage go down via my employer based healthcare. How long before it gets too expensive even for you?
md
August 18th, 2009
11:54 am
usinuk,
Hence the use of the words “one” and “some”.
md
August 18th, 2009
11:57 am
fotw,
Many see a need for reform, but also know that the best solution must come from both sides with debate and compromise. A one sided solution will forever be a bad solution.
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 18th, 2009
11:57 am
Turd, one more comment. I too believe in personal responsibilty but what about the situations where the events are totally out of your control? Medical bankrupcy is one of those situations. How can you ask for someone who has insurance to save for that rainy day when they need tens of thousands of dollars for cancer treatment or some other medical operation? What do you tell that person or their family? I know it is easy to say personal responsibilty but it is something totally different when you’ve done the right thing but still get screwed by the system.
Taxpayer
August 18th, 2009
12:00 pm
Which insurance company eecutive helped fund this “4409″, whatever they are.
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 18th, 2009
12:00 pm
Turd, then I ask the question again – what would you replace the current system with? So far I’ve not heard a discussion. Tell me (us) what you would recommend. Then the discussion/debate can start.
"Numbnuts" Bookwoman
August 18th, 2009
12:01 pm
No one with any sense wants a government run health care program. Who wants another money pit? Can anyone pick a well run government agency? I know the words “well run” are subjective, but be reasonable. The government has all of these GREAT IDEAS! What they don’t have, is any idea how to actually implement the programs and run them efficiently. That’s why we need private enterprise.
USinUK
August 18th, 2009
12:02 pm
TF –
“PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY”
and I’m all for that. but, my point referred to TnG’s post and compared those making the minimum (roughly $10k/yr takehome) vs. the execs at Lockheed/Rockwell/Boeing, etc. Someone who makes $10K/yr has a higher MPS than someone who makes $110k/yr. and, frankly, for that person, paying his/her bills IS behaving responsibly.
and md – you still missed the point.
Paul
August 18th, 2009
12:04 pm
Robert Novak passed away.
RIP.
"Numbnuts" Bookwoman
August 18th, 2009
12:05 pm
FOTW – As harsh as it sounds – when our time is up… our time is up. Only the strong survive whether you are strong financially or strong in your health. This is nothing new and in fact it’s been around ever since the beginning of humankind.
Paul
August 18th, 2009
12:07 pm
Mrs. Godzilla
Your earlier post – about the Dept of Homeland Security extremist/veterans report?
“Confirmed: No Supporting Evidence For DHS “Rightwing Extremism” Report”
http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-no-supporting-evidence-for-dhs-rightwing-extremism-report/
Looks like the Southern Poverty Law Center knows how to keep the contributions coming!
Tank
August 18th, 2009
12:07 pm
“If so, then what would you recommend to keep costs in check?”"
Hmm… I guess I would recommend significant tort reform to reduce and eliminate frivolous lawsuits which drive up the costs of insurance, products, etc. Only problem, the majority of elected officials come from the ranks of lawyers such as John Edwards, Ken Nugent, etc.
Hmm… Next, I would ensure that all recipients of public medical care are US citizens.
Hmm… Then, I would take steps to reduce or eliminate health care for those who continue to bring children into this world without sufficient means to support them. If they want medical care, they must submit themselves for voluntary sterilization.
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
12:08 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 18th, 2009
11:53 am
With what would I replace it? Currently I have no answer, however, I sincerely beleive this Govt HCare is not the way to go nor do I consider it an viable alternative.
Kim, Nottingham
August 18th, 2009
12:09 pm
I know you like to arm yourselves in case Lizzie Windsor decides it’s time we took over you again, but surely that’s not legal?
Turd Ferguson
August 18th, 2009
12:10 pm
Paul
August 18th, 2009
12:04 pm
Remember back in the 80’s on CNN Novak was on this debating show with Michael Kinsley? I was so entertaining to watch Novak kick him all around the schoolyard.
RIP Novak!!