Liberals are warned a health-care deal may be cut
from Politico:
“After the toughest week yet for health reform, leading Democrats are warning that the party likely will have to accept major compromises to get a bill passed this year – perhaps even dropping a proposal to create a government-run plan that is almost an article of faith among some liberals.
With August dominated by angry faces and raised voices at town hall meetings, influential Democrats began laying the groundwork for the fall, particularly with the party’s liberal base, saying they may need to accept a less-than-perfect bill to achieve health reform this year.
“Trying to hold the president’s feet to the fire is fine, but first we have to win the big argument,” former President Bill Clinton said Thursday at the Netroots Nation convention, a gathering of liberal activists and bloggers who will prove most difficult to convince. “I am pleading with you. It is OK with me if you want to keep everybody honest. . . . But try to keep this thing in the lane of getting something done. We need to pass a bill and move this thing forward.”
“I want us to be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf,” he said after recounting the political troubles that followed his failed reform effort in 1994. “
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getalife
August 16th, 2009
10:48 am
Perhaps the libs will join the cons and go yell at them.
But seriously, it is great to finally see Americans fighting the establishment
It’s a start because you just can’t trust them.Period.
@@
August 16th, 2009
10:52 am
It’s an issue of trust, jay. Polls show that the people trust Republicans more than Democrats.
Make no mistake….dems will concede in the interest of party politics. Bill Clinton knows all too well what happens, politically speaking, when a political party tries to shove healthcare down the throats of the American people. The problem is Obama’s created bigger problems for the party with his overly aggressive moves.
We shall see.
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
10:59 am
“Polls show that the people trust Republicans more than Democrats.”
Maybe (though I’m hardly convinced). They just won’t vote for them! Which is all that really matters.
Perhaps if they can find a new Joe McCarthy, or is it Ronald Reagan? (I always get their “heroes” mixed up)…
Dalton
August 16th, 2009
11:05 am
The only “heroes” we want are politicians that don’t want us to become a communist commune.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
11:06 am
I guess all of the ‘Apology Tours’, bowing to foreign leaders, his close circle of radical far left associates and friends, White House surveillance and ’snitch on your neighbor’, the massively insane spending, ‘Cash for Clunkers’, etc., etc., are finally taking effect. Accent that with “Hillary Gone Wild’ (Obowo’s Secretary of State, some really fine representative for our country there, dontcha think) overseas with the foreign press last week, and you have the circus of idiots closing to a complete circle.
What a show.
What a sad, pathetic, sick joke these people are in DC.
And the drooling minions still worship this fool and his toadies. I guess one cannot be any lower form of life on the planet than an Obama worshiper – unless you still scream your mindless support for this socialist every single day.
Now, my question is this… which of you fools wants to be first to ‘report’ me to the White House Gestapo?
Lord knows why it took this long.
Jackie
August 16th, 2009
11:14 am
No deals!
Put the proposals on the table and let everyone see where EACH congressman votes on the issue. It will stop the wordsmith game they are all playing.
This will show us who has our best interest at heart.
getalife
August 16th, 2009
11:16 am
Yeah, I have to call bs on Americans trusting the gop more after 8 years of destruction of America but after 8 years of dems @@’s dream for her party to destroy our country again might come true.
Jackie
August 16th, 2009
11:18 am
@Bud Wiser
The only thing that can be lower than an Obama supporter is a a so-called conservative that only believes what Rush and those others want you to believe.
Either they can’t read or have had a frontal lobotomy lately.
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
11:21 am
The only “heroes” we want are politicians…communist…”
VERY McCarthy-esque! Niiice…
That nutjob would be proud; 60 years on and he is still undoubtedly one of the right’s great “thinkers”.
The apologists’ favorite apologist:
http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg
and
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/codename_009/BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg
booger
August 16th, 2009
11:32 am
This is exactly why Obama was pushing so hard to get this passed before the August recess. The more time people had to absorb this bill the smellier it became. It also gave people time to discover that the government has no idea how to pay for the plan.
Call the townhallers racist as Cynthia did, evil as Harry Reid did, Or any of the other media generated names, they had an impact.
Bless there little hearts!
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
11:40 am
“This is exactly why Obama was pushing so hard to get this passed before the August recess. The more time people had to absorb this bill the smellier it became. It also gave people time to discover that the government has no idea how to pay for the plan.”
And if it sucked, none of them would achieve their ultimate goal of being re-elected. Seriously, how stupid are these cons?
Peyton
August 16th, 2009
11:43 am
Did you know that it is a law in Georgia, enacted July 1, 2007, that every hospital provides patients with an end of life directive information? I was at DeKalb Medical for knee surgery this week and they provided me with the information on living wills and the web site address to pull down documents that provide for a Durable Power of Attorney. Go to http://www.dekalbmedical.org and see for yourselves. Wonder why the conservatives haven’t pointed that out to anyone. And, by the way, the drug bill that was passed by Congress in 2003 by the Republicans, had the same end of life directives in it that they are now calling “death panels.” Republicans have taken dishonestly and manipulation to an entirely new level. If my congressman can have single payer health care, why can’t I? And, if you don’t want socialized medicine, then prove it by refusing to ever accept Medicare. The majority of people receiving Medicare never paid into the system – i.e. housewives have never paid one dime into a system they are not taking from and no, their husbands did not double up on their contributions and pay for them. We need to move away from an income based tax system and have a consumption based system (similar to the fair tax) so that everyone pays, not just those of us who work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 16th, 2009
11:50 am
Well, I say do anything to keep the insurance cos. making profits. You got to keep Capitalism going. Don’t pass no guvmint health care that would make them compete. Do something like this co-op thing that won’t work in the end. My buddy Jim Earl says there ain’t never been a co-op plan that ever worked. They all got snuffed out by the insurance cos. that gave money to politicans to pass laws that work against co-ops.
I’m awful glad alot of good Conservatives worked so hard against this medical bill. They might could pass something that will work for a couple years, but after that the bums and the people that won’t work and the people on welfare will be right back where they started and where they belong. Without health care.
Have a good Sabbath everybody, except for mike. He says his Sabbath is on Saturday. Must be one of them healthens.
Kamchak
August 16th, 2009
11:51 am
Seriously, how stupid are these cons?
I think it’s more a matter of short-sighted reactionary-ism. Like you said, if the Democrats had put forth a bill that sucked, Republicans could have gained seats in Congress. The public is well aware of the efforts of the obstructionists and a bad compromise bill is now and anchor around the necks of these obstructionists.
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
11:54 am
Amvet–
You should definitely see this movie when it gets here.
It Might Get Loud 2008 Guys With Guitars, Trading Riffs and Metaphysical Musings
It’s a documentary on guitar playing with Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, the Edge of U2 and Jack White, White Stripes.
booger
August 16th, 2009
11:56 am
number1ninja,
How stupid are these cons?
I really wasn’t prepared for such an enlightened comeback. It’s rare to find this sort of critical thinking this day and time. You have really given me something to ponder.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:00 pm
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
11:06 am
We don’t have to report you. Bush left the means for the WH to detect it without our help.
I hope you feel better after demeaning yourself and crippling your argument with the name-calling.
GEORGE AMERICAN
August 16th, 2009
12:01 pm
THAT IDIOT CLINTON SAYS <i?“I want us to be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf.”
THE DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY PINCHIN’ A FULL LOAF ON HEALTH CARE.
I’M WITH PALIN ON THIS ONE
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:03 pm
Peyton
August 16th, 2009
11:43 am
The key word in your last sentence is “similar.” I agree, that baby needs some tweaking.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
12:07 pm
Deals have definitely already been cut. Biden/Emanuel staffs okayed it for the 5 old white men and one ditzy woman repping 2.7% of the US population to cut two deals that would gut Health Care Reform.That would be the so-called Table of Six from the Senate Finance Committee chaired by Max Baucuss and the Minority Leader is Chuck Grassley he of the Death Panels scare tactic who was lying through his teeth and put himself on the level of Facebook Palin.
One was with the pharmaceutical lobby repped by Billy Tauzen which guaranteed them no Medicater competitive bidding. The result would be Medicare continues on the path towards going broke which need not h appen–this was the same deal that Bill Frist, MD cut for Tauzen and makes him well worth the over million bucks Big Pharma pays him.
The second was the deal last week with the Hospital lobby.
It would insure that when you are inpt. hospitalized or ER treated you get charged rates like $12 for a Tylenol and $120 for a cling wrap that costs $3 at Kroeger and when your ins. company pays it they pass it right on to you. It’s also part of the reason that St. Joe had a standoff with their insurance company ending last week, and Piedmont did a couple years ago.
These two deals as much as say to the House’s 3 Committees since Obama/Biden/Emanuel’s staff sanctioned they be made by Senate Finance that the House does not count.
It will be intriguing to say the least if the House allows themselves to be shoved out of this legislation in Conference Committee. There are 3 powerful minority factions in the House that say they will accept nothing but a public plan which the insurance companies regard as silver chains like the Vamps in True Blood.
Two myths that the Repubs keep pushing here are that malpractice caps (important but not central) and the immigration problem (not touched by 50+years of Rep[ublican domination in Congress and the White House) are the keys to fixing health care.
That’s total fiction. The key to fixing health care is to stop the dropping of 12 million people who had the misfortune to get sick. And no doubt there are plenty of bad habits that lead to illness like smoking, diet, lack of exercise. But stats show that many people who get sick, don’t get sick per se because of a bad choice they made–they do get sicker if they can’t get access to care whether its diabetes or cancer.
These 12 million people have been discriminated against by the Insurance Companies who dominate 94% of the US with just twoinsurance choices. 430 of them per day are Georgians.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:10 pm
I would only compromise on tort reform. The focus on the uninsured is also wrong-headed. The bill does make it easier to qualify for Medicaid and cuts the subsidies for Medicare Advantage, which are needed. Now if we can just get those that are eligible to sign up.
Until we take profit and marketing out of the equation, the costs are going to continue to rise at an unacceptable rate.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:14 pm
I do wish I could give Bill Clinton his half a loaf and make Mr. Obama and all you liberals happy Jay Bookman but I just can’t. You understand it that old independent conservative streak in me.
But tell you what, let’s make a deal, here’s the proposition and it’s a whole loaf…
Only one law needs to be enacted to remove the barrier that prohibits the selling and buying of healthcare insurance across stateliness. After that change the healthcare system can remain exactly the same old status quo, PROVIDED the empowerment and conditions I want given to and put on non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives are passed into law. In fact, Mr. Obama and socialist liberal company I may never need the Medicare I’ve been paying for to provide Medicare benefits for others to receive and I’ll likely leave my children and future generations of grandchildren without a crushing load of punishing entitlement debt for wrongs they never committed.
The empowerment and conditions:
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives should be allowed to form anywhere in the country where none either exist or no healthcare cooperative exist that is owned, controlled and administered by its consumer members who shall have voting rights, as within any other private sector corporation. Start-up or establishment of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives should be funded either with government assistance or allowed to raise the necessary start-up capital through the selling of tax exempt bonds. In the case where tax exempt bonds are sold for the establishment of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative all monies generated by the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative that would otherwise be profit will go directly to paying off bond holders. There after all monies over and above operating and administrative costs shall be applied to lower the premium costs of the consumer members. (Nice means to build a retirement income or pay for a child’s education)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be allowed to form networks with other non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives of like kind operating independently of one another, as to member voting rights, applicable bylaws and as separate private-publically held corporations. (Hard to beat the strength in numbers, even when disadvantages exist)
They shall offer for purchase health insurance coverage and or services to any U.S. Citizen including the Citizen’s family or any legal resident alien including their family of which have at least two years of established permanent U.S. residency. They shall deny healthcare insurance coverage and or services to any illegal alien and shall render only emergency humanitarian aid in compliance to current law. The Federal government shall make reimbursement in full within no less than 30 days to the respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative for all services rendered in providing emergency medical humanitarian aid to any illegal alien. (Adios Illegal Amigos)
No consumer member of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative shall be allowed to pursue collective bargaining agreements with or against other consumer members within a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. All doctors, dentists and their assistants or any other individuals or entities which provide services or products to a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer member shall be bound to this non-competitive collective bargaining agreement. (Good-bye SEUI)
All non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall establish medical savings accounts for their individual consumer members from which policy premium payments shall be extracted and applied to their healthcare insurance policy administered through their respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives for basic healthcare services covered under any basic healthcare insurance policy sold by any licensed insurer from anywhere in the jurisdiction of the United States of America. ( Basic healthcare insurance policy to be defined by law ). All consumer members shall have a healthcare insurance policy that covers basic and major medical care. ( Major medical coverage shall prevent medical bankruptcy by law ) Basic insurance policies that cover the following can be purchased optionally as an addendum for such services as: Abortions that do not threaten the life of the mother, do not involve a case of incest or rape, end of life counseling, drug treatment programs, behavioral modification programs, cosmetic surgeries not related to accidents or for sex change operations, physical enhancement programs or any other medical services to be deemed beyond the delivery of basic healthcare. (Hello universal accessible, affordable and portable healthcare the individual owns, controls and takes responsibility for their own choices independent of the government or a business)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall not be subsidized by the government. Only consumer members of the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall receive any form of subsidy from government which shall be direct deposited into their medical savings account administered through their respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. (Nice to have complete control of whatever you own without a having that silent partner named government)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to purchase in bulk for resell to its’ respective consumer members as prescribed by any licensed medical doctor any drugs approved by the FDA, including purchasing re-imported FDA approved drugs and shall be enabled through network exchange supply in equitable trade of any drugs purchase under this stipulation between cooperatives. (Happy trails to you BIG PHARMA)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to own and operate clinics or hospitals within the healthcare market where they are licensed to conduct business in a State or in a region of States and shall upon binding agreement with its consumer members set self-imposed limits on malpractice liability punitive damage awards for pain and suffering. (How’s business HMO’s, was there an objection raised by the trial lawyers, perhaps it was just those insurance companies that sell overpriced malpractice insurance murmuring in the background)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to provide full medical scholarships to promising deserving financially challenged students who desire to become doctors or nurses in return for two years of service after graduation and licensing in any clinics or hospitals owned or operated by the respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative or a designated affiliate of the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. Priority shall be given to under-served areas where a shortage of doctors and nurses exist to deliver healthcare services within the healthcare market where the sponsoring non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative is licensed to conduct business in a State or in a region of States. (Nothing like hedging an investment, I mean, to serve the greater public good of course)
Funding subsidies: Diverting taxes and subsidies to aid in assuring payment of premiums for basic and major healthcare policies (Read my lips Mr. Obama, no new taxes on anyone to fund, healthcare not even on the rich earning more than $250,000 annually.)
Where subsidies are required to assure affordability to all consumer members of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative due to insufficient income or loss of employment or legitimate psychical or mental disabilities determined by cooperative’s doctors:
(1) Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer members shall receive a portion of all “sin taxes” – now collected by government under the guise of providing or paying for healthcare costs – to be directly deposited into their respective medical savings accounts established with and administered by a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. (2) In addition, a small portion of all gaming proceeds now collected by governments shall be direct deposited into non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer member’s medical savings accounts, furthermore a national healthcare lottery should be allowed establishment if additional revenues are required for the funding of subsidies and to fund medical education scholarships. Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer members who choose not to receive subsidies or do not require subsidies or do not choose to receive subsidies from these means of funding shall receive a healthcare tax credit established by the Congress in lieu using of these subsidies.
Businesses shall be allowed to contribute to their employee’s medical savings accounts established with and administered by a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative and receive tax deductions as currently provided under law. Consumer members that receive no contributions from an employer shall receive the same tax deductions as currently provided under law to employers for any personal contributions they make into their medical savings account .
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
12:25 pm
Crushing the pubt’s, thanks.
For me it looks like a can’t miss type of film. Who doesn’t love watching guitar gods in action?
“I think it’s more a matter of short-sighted reactionary-ism.”
Exceptionally on point and succinct, Kamchak.
The way I see it, much of the reason for the GOP’s implosion and uncontrollable hemorrhaging over the pat few years is that mainstream America has finally woken up to the fact that the post Nixon-GOP lacks any sort of coherent vision for the future of the Republic. At least one either not based on some irrelevant 1950’s model or one where corporate fascists control most aspects of American society.
And it is no accident one of their many new monikers is the Party of No. As in no ideas, no credibility and no prospects…
Finn McCool
August 16th, 2009
12:30 pm
Hehehe,
Conservatives now think they are in a position to dictate demands on what kind of health care deal they will “accept”? Those folks live in a dream world.
The democrats are going to dial it back a bit but that is to just get the first ball moving. There are still 3.5 years to get EVERYTHING passed.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:43 pm
It is such a joy reading articles like the one I read yesterday from the Huffington Post on Obama’s selling out the left to cut a deal with big PHARMA. Silly liberals will never learn and they’ve yet to get a bill out of either august body in Congress.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
12:44 pm
@@,
got a link to that “poll”?
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
12:47 pm
“I really wasn’t prepared for such an enlightened comeback. It’s rare to find this sort of critical thinking this day and time. You have really given me something to ponder.”
Given the way they’re acting these days, that might be the only thing that wouldn’t go over their heads. But hey, let’s not let an economy hamstrung by health costs get in the way of your fear of change!
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
12:49 pm
Yes Mike, let’s give the biggest and most crooked insurers free reign to crush all the little guys by expanding their scope. So all our health insurance is the equivalent of Windows Vista.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:50 pm
Midori
Generic Congressional Ballot
Republicans Maintain Lead Over Democrats on Generic Ballot
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot
booger
August 16th, 2009
12:54 pm
#1ninja,
Hey, you can quit selling. Your last reply convinced me that you way is the only way. I’ve read it over and over and can’t seem to find a flaw.
Good work!
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:01 pm
What am I selling, Booger? All I’m pointing out is that once again the conservatives have done nothing but stick their fingers in their ears and deny reality. The joke of a “plan” they came up with is nothing but scapegoating of the usual parties, so if that’s all they got, they should just shut up and wait to take credit for it in tens years when it works like they almost always do. And I guarantee it will work for them.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
1:02 pm
number1ninja, most crooked insurers even the so-called honest in the bunch would not be happy in the least to compete against what I purposed. It would be very questionable if any of them could survive such competition.
And by the way number1ninja, what I purposed is still being negotiated in the Senate by a group of six Senators on the finance committee. I seriously doubt they will go as far as I went in gutting “special interests” all the way around the healthcare table but you might be in for a real shock, because non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives is one of the best bets on becoming law.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:05 pm
The pollsters receiving the lowest scores are Zogby International, the American Research Group and Rasmussen Reports.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:13 pm
Jackie at 11:18 – typical drooling left wing groupie that has no rational or factual rebuttal to anything at all I said – all you have are your puny insults.
If that was not one of the more ignorant displays from a cracker chasing fool, then I guess there is no room left for discussion.
You don’t even make it into the irrelevant pool, as you may poop in it on your arrival. Of course, who could tell……
@@
August 16th, 2009
1:13 pm
Sure thing, Midori although you’ll choose to discount them. That would be Politico’s “Public Strategies, Inc.” or Rasmussen.
Rasmussen’s Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Issue Healthcare:
Democrats 41% — Republicans 44%
Issue Economy:
Democrats 40% — Republicans 46%
Issue Education:
Democrats 38% — Republicans 41%
Issue Iraq:
Democrats 42% — Republicans 42%
Issue Nat’l Security:
Democrats 43% — Republicans 47%
Issue Abortion:
Democrats 36% — Republicans 46%
Issue Social Security:
Democrats 39% — Republicans 43%
Issue Taxes:
Democrats 35% — Republicans 51%
Issue Immigration:
Democrats 35% — Republicans 43%
Issue Gov’t Ethics:
Democrats 34% — Republicans 31%
That last one’s interesting. Not a large gap. I’ve always said that when resources are limited, it’s human nature to fight to protect what’s ours. Now that Republican and conservative Democrats have seen just how “insensed” conservative dems, republicans and independents can be, they’ll be treading lightly.
All three will be fighting to insure that the far-left wing of the dem party is FOREVER annihilated. I couldn’t be happier.
Before Obama won the election, I predicted the left wing of the party would overreach. They did. Some of the most deeply entrenched left wingers will be out in 2010. It’ll be a long time before people forget this GREAT DIVIDE….more will follow.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:16 pm
Gelding, you demean humanity every time you open your mouth, and yes, I always feel better when I point out the stupidity of your friends, and your continued stubborn stupid political positions.
Thank you for asking.
Question
August 16th, 2009
1:19 pm
Seems health care reform (or whatever warm and fuzzy the admin is now calling it) will hopefully not go the route of all previous crambills, i.e., pass something/anything before anyone reads or knows what is in it, regardless of the cost.
Regarding health care reform, we have still not seen answers to “why is it needed”? and “how is this going to be paid for?”. And stop insulting us with — no tax (however the current admin defines “taxes”) increase for 95% of the population!!!! Health care reform is the last straw of — I’m getting tired of paying for/supporting those who will not work, refuse to work, are generational government dependents, a burden and cost to society, have no sense of responsibility, only know and expect entitlements, and continue to have children — each by a different man!! You want health care reform and lower societal health costs — focus on the front end and prevent these leeches from reproducing (this will also likely positively impact the crime rate — at least in Atlanta)!
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:19 pm
**Sure thing, Midori although you’ll choose to discount them**
just a little trick I learned from you guys…..
Cherokee
August 16th, 2009
1:21 pm
Rasmussen, huh. What a surprise….
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:23 pm
Cherokee
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:25 pm
“And by the way number1ninja, what I purposed is still being negotiated in the Senate by a group of six Senators on the finance committee. I seriously doubt they will go as far as I went in gutting “special interests” all the way around the healthcare table but you might be in for a real shock, because non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives is one of the best bets on becoming law.”
That would be an idea that has promise, then I would agree with you. I’m also wary of the feds taking over something as big as health care, however I think that someone beholden to your future votes has much more incentive to do it well than someone who takes all your money then doesn’t care if you die or not, since you’re broke. Non-profit would be ok with me, but I’m very worried about the possibilities of monopolies, because that would be far worse than any socialism scare people could dream up.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
1:29 pm
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.
The only “loaf” that the democrats will be leaving us with is a fruitcake.
Compromise for them is victory, for once their little goony bird is hatched, raised and sputtering around in the air, there will be nothing to stop them from transforming it with legislation into the “grandma” buzzard that they so desire, a monstrosity picking at the eyeballs of the nations elderly.
We must choke this whole God awful works to death in it’s nasty little crib. ew.
DoggoneGA
August 16th, 2009
1:31 pm
“you demean humanity every time you open your mouth, and yes, I always feel better when I point out the stupidity of your friends”
When you use language like: “typical drooling left wing groupie “…trust me, it isn’t the “stupidity” of the OTHER person you are pointing out. You are only revealing YOUR stupidity.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
1:33 pm
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:16 pm
At least I have the humanity to want all of us to get the best health care available and understand that I’m not the most important person in the universe nor the most brilliant. But my star does put off a soft glow once in a while and I think I’m fair-minded, and never resort to name-calling.
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:33 pm
Sorry if I get abrasive, but sometimes I have a hard time separating real people from the seething troglodytes, and then I Report comes back to drive the point home.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
1:35 pm
My isn’t this a big surprise?
Drug Industry to Run Ads Favoring White House Plan
The drug industry has authorized its lobbyists to spend as much as $150 million on television commercials supporting President Obama’s health care overhaul, beginning over the August Congressional recess, people briefed on the plans said Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html
How does it feel liberals to be a BIG PHARMA duped sucker?
And all the liberals worry about is the greedy insurance companies while the rest of the healthcare industry crooks are taking them to the proverbial cleaners.
By the way liberals tell me why the AMA supports your public option and why some of its various members don’t: © !
DoggoneGA
August 16th, 2009
1:36 pm
“then I Report comes back to drive the point home.”
That’s easy to deal with. Do what I do, just scroll right on past. You won’t be missing anything interesting anyway, and it’ll save your blood pressure some stress.
@@
August 16th, 2009
1:37 pm
Midori:
You’ve always preferred hypocrisy whether it be from your sources or politicians.
You’re a follower, not a leader.
The American people have led in this health care debate. It’s about damn time.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:48 pm
and you, @@, have always preferred lunacy over reality.
a republican trait, I know.
I’m ever so glad you left my party.
you want hypocrisy? see ya at the local town hall. I can’t wait to see your sign.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
1:49 pm
What so called Micheal Smith just wholesale pasted without attribution from some wingnut blog when he’s not getting his quotes from Clusterfaux and Rush is jibberish. And Smith is unaware of the two deals between big Pharma and Hospitals $80 billion and $155 billion concessions over ten years for trillions in profits and the agreement of Obama and Senate Finance to back away from legislation that would force competititve drug bids for Medicare and a public plan to reign inr runaway insurance premiums and dropping of 12 million people recently because they got sick.
Bill Clinton wasn’t advocating half a loaf yesterday at Netroots–he was advocating giving away and trashing the whole bakery by abandoining the Public Option–and telling the House to go Coop itself and forget they exist or count. We’ll see in Conference.
Coops have been around for years and they have not done anything to stop 12 million insureds from losing their insurance because they got sick. This includes 430 Georgians per day. They are unlicensced and they have done nothing to correct the central problems of insurance companies and drug companies gouging the public beyond their reach. They have done nothing to prevent patients of all ages who are on essential meds for chronic diseases from choosing between groceries and their meds, or using one out of 3-5 critical meds they need to take to stay alive or prevent disastrous consequences.
They haven’t stopped premiums from going out of reach of individuals and companies (soom to be $21000 per year for a family of four) –how’s that for the Republican answer to the economy they wrecked?
It hasn’t stopped charges at hospitals whether it’s the ER or inpatient from being outrageous and unaffordable that insurance companies pass on to you directly in premiums.
If Smith is going to chain paste, he ought to give credit to his sources instead of pretending this jibberish comes directly out of his Palenesque brain.
Kamchak
August 16th, 2009
1:52 pm
The American people have led in this health care debate.
American people also make up the government. As I recall, it was a few weeks ago that you admitted in an open forum of your intent to “screw the government”—in effect, screwing your fellow Americans.
DoggoneGA
August 16th, 2009
1:52 pm
“The American people have led in this health care debate”
You’re welcome to your illusions.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:53 pm
You’re a follower, not a leader.
well one thing’s certain — I wouldn’t follow you to the sidewalk.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
1:56 pm
Like I said #1ninja, I have serious doubts what I purposed will ever make into a law cleanly. Members of Congress will never go as far as I did in gutting the “special interests” all the way around the healthcare table. As I admitted what I purposed would be very competitive if not considered anti-competitive; which it will be by many I will assure you of that my friend. One that comes to mind right off the top of my head will be Senator Cornyn of Texas who would lodge that very complaint. Senator Schumer of New York would oppose it because it is a non-government entity competing against other government programs.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
2:03 pm
brucie-tard have I told you lately that you’re an idiot. I didn’t copy or paste what I purposed in the post from any source other than a compilation of ideas: Some my own others that have been voiced by many people. Now, LIAR, you said I have nothing of a plan to offer? Again, you have been completely debunked.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
2:06 pm
The @@’s of the world are exactly like Katy Abram–full of sound and fury screaming their government is upside down because someone with Black blood is in the White House because he creamed their candidate and signifying nothing–and always making sure they don’t muddle their diatribs with facts on any issue including health care.
I never see any Republican remedies for the 12 million insured people recently dropped because they got sick. I don’t see Republican remedies for the astranomical premium costs or the two insurance choices in 94% of the US, the 430 Georgians dropped per day, the fact that Medicare can’t competititvely bid for pharmaceuticals the way every private hospital can and teaching hospitals affiliated with private hospitals like Grady. And Coburn admitted this morning on MTP that his party sold out to the pharmaceutical companies in 2003-2004 when Dr. Bill Frist got in bed with them and stayed in bed with them.
All of you who bash Medicare should be bashing the Republicans who hamstrung Medicare by forbidding its ability to competitively bid for drugs the same way all the hospitals do it. You should be bashing the Six losers on Senate Finance who are doing nothing to fix that problem having made an 80 billlion over 10 year deal two weeks ago with the pharmaceutical lobbyist in chief, Billy Tauzen sanctioned by Barack Obama who is looking for his backbone somewhere int he West Wing.
And once again–I don’t know what some of you think you grasp about disease causes, but bad choices aren’t the only reason most people get sick. To be sure they could be corrected and prevent a lot of illness, but not most illness.
Abram who has no job railed about her taxes which she does not pay because she has no income– Shades of Joe the Plumber.
Abram invoked the Constitution (she hasn’t read it and wouldn’t understand it) which expressly forbid Abram from voting in the 1770’s. It wasn’t until the 19th amendment in 1920 that ole Katy got the right to vote although in ole Katy’s case she doesn’t have a clue what the issues are.
Katy Abram and the people who want to shout down questions at the so called Town Halls are as Anti-American as they come. The First Amendment gives you the right for free speech,. but it does not give you the right to drown out a forum because you’re shaking with rage at your confusion, stupidity, and utter failure to unsderstand what’s going on because you’re too lazy to read and always have been.
That was driven home when the Town Hall whackjobs yelled they didn’t want the government to take away their Medicare which they don’t realize is a socialized single payer government program as is Social Security, as are police departments, etc. etc.
And if you have no job and no income, as well as no education like Abram and Joe the whatever, you aren’t paying taxes that would be levied at the range of 250 grand or higher.
The wealthy don’t need these nutcases to lobby for them–they pay pros a lot of bucks to do it. They pay millions to insurance, hospital, and pharmaceutical lobbists and the amount those lobbyists pay to the Senate Finance Six is the highest in Congress and available for your perusal with a couple of Mickey Mouse clicks.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
2:06 pm
Don’t forget who else gets this humiliating defeat hung around their neck, besides Obozo-
If things do not go well — and right now Mr. Obama’s political popularity is declining, his health care legislation is under conservative assault, the budget deficit is at an eye-popping level and Afghanistan remains volatile — it is Mr. Emanuel whose job will be on the line before Mr. Obama’s.-NewYorkTimes
hahahaha, they’re throwing Rahm over board.
The rats are always the first ones over the side, ew.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
August 16th, 2009
2:07 pm
Sarah Palin 1 – President Obumbler – 0. Let the 2012 race begin as we see Caribou Barbie outsmart, otflank, and outlast our callow, inexperience, oaf, Presient Obumbler.
Palin/Cheney 2012 – Change that erases the shame of oBUMBLER.
booger
August 16th, 2009
2:12 pm
Crush the pubt’s,
Trillions in profits? How much money do you think insurance companies make?
You can check their numbers on almost any financial website. Last year for example United healthcare had a profit margin of 3.6% while Aetna had a margin of 3.9%. Their combined net profits were under 5 billion.
And no, I do not nor have I ever worked for an insurance company.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
2:16 pm
Smith I’ve explicitly told you in the last dozen posts why the AMA suppots a public option and the extreme minority of its members don’t. I’ve tried to educate you that the AMA to begin with has 16.7% of the nation’s doctors and 99% of the rest of them support a public option. Granted some doctors are afraid their reimbursement will be impacted in part because the Republican controlled Congress cut their reimbursement but 99% of this country’s physicians suppor a public option–and right now I’ve also tried to educate you the wrestling match is House vs. Senate Finance in Conference in October.
Why is it that Smith who wouldn’t know medical practice if it hit him upside the head is AGAINST A PUBLIC OPTION AND FOR 12 million people being discriminated against by their insurance company who drops them?
Why is it that Smith advocates people choosing between groceries and the meds they can’t afford because of the huge Donut in Medicare?
Why is it that Smith advocates hamstring Medicare and not allowing it to bid like every hospital wherever he lives does?
Why is it that Smith advocates that a mile and a half ride in an ambulance with only EKG telemetry on the patient’s chest without an IV or meds administered costs $650?
It’s not enough to bash a public option and blithely Hi Five yourself sitting at your Mouse and Keyboard who will spew your completely non-clinical medicine background jibberish.
Since you’re against a public option and for coops that have been around for 20 years or more and done nothing at all to stop the crisis, you ought to have the self respect to stop chain pasting and outline precisely why you’re against the public option. And quit leaning on the pastes from right wingut hot air factories with an IQ equal to Katy Abram.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
2:21 pm
The state run pinko media has whiplash from being in the democrat spin cycle-
A similar scenario is playing out in the public anxiety over health care reform. Plenty of people think the existing system is in need of repair. But when they hear about expensive plans that require a more powerful and intrusive federal government, they fear that what is best in our approach to medicine may get smashed in the process.-SteveChapman
Another 180 MPH U turn, sliding all sideways down the road as your puppet masters hands spins the wheel.
Off into the ditch again, I see.
Anybody figure out why bookman bolded today’s DNC talking points?
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
2:27 pm
One big reason our life expectancy lags is that Americans have an unusual tendency to perish in homicides or accidents. We are 12 times more likely than the Japanese to be murdered and nearly twice as likely to be killed in auto wrecks.
In their 2006 book, “The Business of Health,” economists Robert L. Ohsfeldt and John E. Schneider set out to determine where the U.S. would rank in life span among developed nations if homicides and accidents are factored out. Their answer? First place.
duh
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
2:41 pm
Barack Obama must beware the rise of the angry white man. Bill Clinton faced the sometime violent fury of middle America’s dispossessed. Now, the same ugly face confronts Barack Obama- Michael Crowley, The Observer
Aahhh, yes, the vast White Wing Conspiracy.
I think the fall of the Idiot White Liberal might be a more fitting scenario.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
2:46 pm
brucie wilcox you can lie for yourself but don’t try to say I told any of your lies. I don’t advocate any of the crap you accused me of supporting. Now dumb-dumb brucie, time for you to give me some more education. Is AMA on broad the public plan because it might be receiving any favorable copyright protection under this public plan?
Turn-up your oxygen supply dr. brucie. That is more medicine than you should lawfully practice, considering you’re brain-dead condition.
I Report/ White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
2:48 pm
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration, in a major shift on housing policy, is abandoning George W. Bush’s vision of creating an “ownership society’’ and instead plans to pump $4.25 billion of economic stimulus money into creating tens of thousands of federally subsidized rental units in American cities.
Uh, pardon me, Obozo, but they call those “housing projects.”
getalife
August 16th, 2009
2:54 pm
“In America, Crazy Is a Preexisting Condition
Birthers, Town Hall Hecklers and the Return of Right-Wing Rage”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/14/AR2009081401495_pf.html
Good stuff but I told you conservatism is a mental disorder .
Just read Andy’s posts.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
2:57 pm
Oh and bruice wilcox I’ve already chain posted why I’m against your beloved government socialized healthcare. As for Co Op’s doing nothing to solve healthcare problems I’ve posted material quite often that debunked your claims against Co Ops.
If you want socialized medicine moved down to Cuba and join your Comrade Fidel. We’ll gladly shut the door behind you, permanently.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
2:58 pm
Booger–
I appreciate you pressing me to butress the facts I’ve tried to present. It’s a lot different than the shriking at “town halls” by the learning impaired. I italicized my facts and figures to make it easy for you to read them.
I know exactly what the insurance companies make per year. I know how to multiply that by 50 years. I know that premiums are unaffordable by individuals for sure in droves unless they are independently wealthy and I have seen real people who are very well educated with PhDs and law degrees contemplating whether they can keep paying their insurance premiums. I know how to use a computer, the software, and I work on getting the software better that you’ll be using in a year and a half or come this October–and I work hard doing it.
According to the New York Times, overall the insurance industry expects to earn about sixty billion dollars in profit. This comes after the insurance industry earned forty-three billion dollars last year in spite of natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina.
Multiply those $50 and $60 billion per year consistent profits and you get trillions. Those are for one specific year and they happen each and every year for the last 30.
Have you ever imagined a situation when insurance companies suggest that because they have earned too much profit, they returned money to policyholders? How much profit is enough?
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
2:59 pm
Wail away fake conservatives! Cry out like Job and lament your suffering! Blame everybody and anybody but yourselves. But you will find no redemption.
As evidenced by this very blog, we own the free market place of ideas and the bulk of the intellectual property. (Excepting when it is given away to the fascists and corporations)
It is undeniable that you are consistently getting outmanned and outwomanned in election after election from sea to shining sea. And though you lack the courage to bring yourselves to see it, your future is looking even more dismal.
And there is actually talk that the GOP may be a de facto non-entity in a few more years.
Likely because many Americans see you as a party that is going to give up on the Big Tent lie, become less educated and enlightened, more entrenched, more stubborn and more virulent.
Look around. Already the non-conned own virtually all of the talent and most of the brightest minds in this nation.
You can keep Georgia, Utah and Mississippi…
@@
August 16th, 2009
3:00 pm
It’s not surprising that Crusher would throw out a leftist’s most readily available accusation ’cause it requires little effort and is no basis in fact.
The @@’s of the world are exactly like Katy Abram–full of sound and fury screaming their government is upside down because someone with Black blood is in the White House because he creamed their candidate
Thppbbbt, Crusher….just thppbbbt.
Race-baiting is another thing that’s losing its appeal with the American people.
Midori:
Had I attended David Scott’s town hall meeting, I would have worn a T-Shirt that said CASH FOR CLUNKERCARE?
My husband and neighbor attended. My neighbor was very much in demand by the media who were present. I couldn’t be happier. I fully expect to either hear him on talk radio or see him on the news. Herman Cain’s office was very eager to reach out to him.
He’s awesome!!!
I’m sure you would call him an Uncle Tom.
Dusty
August 16th, 2009
3:02 pm
There is so much repetition here.. Bookman should have stopped 24 hours ago. We know what liberals are going to say since they have repeated the same thing over and over. But what we learn about this healthcare bill is unacceptable to most Americans.
We are DEEP in debt and do not want to add trillions more. NO MORE DEBT. Again! NO MORE DEBT for give away programs. ( I hear this almost every where I go.)
Healthcare seems to need revisions. Not mine. I have a fine, sensible and practical doctor. She needs no government agent to tell her what medical practices she can handle. LET DOCTORS PRACTICE MEDICINE WITHOUT INTERFERENCE. That is what they have studied many years to do. We depend on them.
Poor people DO HAVE HEALTH RESOURCES. First, there is Medicaid. Then programs for children. Food stamps pay for nutritious food. Scool lunches are free. There are county health clinics in almost every county. There is indigent care at hospitals. There is ER treatment and all who come get what is needed. If poor people paid into Social Security when they worked, they can receive SS, Medicare and low cost prescription drugs.(Social Security recipients DID PAY INTO THE PLAN.) If they are disabled, they can start receiving SS/Medicare at an earlier time.
And of course: Do NOT raise taxes. Don’t take away what we earn to promote something we DO NOT WANT.
It is a pure waste of time to pursue the present healtcare.
As our minister said at church today:”We must use wisdom.” That’s all.
I”m for that . Throw out this bill and start over. That’s the smart move.
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:07 pm
It’s not race batting @@ when it’s true. And @@ do you have a single specific fact to use to butress your argument that the status quo should remain and it’s just great that inhavsurance company rates are increasing exponentially but the numbers of dropped insureds and denials of claims are in the millions?
Do you have a single specific idea to contribute to health care or to your assertion that things are great like they are now?
You would like to visit those 430 Georgians a day who are losing their insurance and tell them it’s about time? You like seeing patients with infiltrating ductal carcinoma of the breast who can’t afford their operations or chem or radiation and have been dropped from their insurers because they got breast cancer?
That’s the ticket. And your stance has lost popularity with the vast majority of the American people. We voted your goofballs down in November, and we’ll keep doing it. Raving without ideas is what got your party in trouble. You’re prime facie evidence that it’s staying there.
@@
August 16th, 2009
3:08 pm
Oh! and I have no idea who this Katy Abram person is.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
3:08 pm
“Throw out this bill and start over. That’s the smart move.”
I second the motion, Gladly!
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:09 pm
We’re deep in debt because of the moron Bush and the moronic Iraq war mainly.
Jackie
August 16th, 2009
3:09 pm
@Bud Wiser
You do not have an argument nor a point to your thesis, my good fellow.
You logic could not find its way out of a boot even with the instructions on the heel saying “turn up.”
What logic do you purport to have exhibited with your rants?
Anytime you care to present a point and direct it at me, I would be happy to offer a rebuttal to anything specious, undocumented thing that you put forth.
If you think my rebuttal was puny, post something with substance and I will offer you a robust factual response. To go along with my response, I will not try to demean you or your position as you do that so well.
Care to take me up on that offer?
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:10 pm
I’ll tell you who Katy is when I get the chance. She’s the symbol of your party and a bad one.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
3:10 pm
You nailed him @@!
jconservative
August 16th, 2009
3:11 pm
Co-op? I’m not thrilled but, OK, beats a government run plan.
The problem with a government run option in healthcare is no one will leave it alone once it is signed into law. Someone is going to expand it to get brownie points back home. Consider the history of Medicare/Medicaid.
1965 Medicare/Medicaid law signed into law by LBJ. Harry Truman gets the very 1st Medicare card. Its law & everybody is fat & happy. (Thank you Johnson).
But fat & happy did not last!
1972 Disabled persons under age 65 and those with end-stage renal disease become eligible. Chiropractic services, speech & physical therapy added. (All with active lobbies). Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program is added, all people on SSI are now on Medicare/Medicaid. (Thank you Nixon)
1983 & 1984 & 1986 All federal employees, including the President, members of Congress and federal judiciary become covered. Hospice benefits become permanent. (Thank you Reagan).
1997 Medicare+Choice is enacted under the Balanced Budget Act.(Thank you Clinton). But a problem – see 1999.
1999 Congress “refines” Medicare+Choice and relaxes some Medicare funding restrictions under the Balanced Budget Refinement Act of 1999. (This fixed the big screw up from the 1997 bill). (Still Clinton).
2003 Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act.
(Don’t you just love the names of these bills?) Provides drug coverage to Medicare enrollees. (Thank you Bush 43). (We can also thank Rep. Billy Tauzin (R) of LA. for forcing this through the House. Yeah, same guy that just made a deal with Obama.) When it comes to money there are no political enemies – just saying.
And speaking of money: In 2000 the Medicare Part B premium was $45.40 per month. In 2009 the Medicare Part B premium is $96.40 per month. More than doubled in 8 years. Healthflation?
I can run this on virtually every government program now on the books. This is the problem with government. There are no brakes built into the system. And, as you can see, political party makes no difference.
As I have quoted previously: “ What experience and history teach is this: that peoples and governments have never learned anything from history. “
Sources http://www.cbo.gov http://www.cms.gov http://www.kff.org
@@
August 16th, 2009
3:18 pm
Will Ginnie Mae be the next shoe to drop?
Sub-prime lending and trading hasn’t gone away. It’s being consolidated and your money is funding it.
I find ^^^ that very troubling. It’s being predicted that foreclosures will reach 48% by 2011.
Has the government not learned from their mistakes? It would appear not.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
3:21 pm
Set up a despotic dynasty, starve your people, break every agreement you sign, defy the resolutions of world bodies, develop and disseminate nuclear technology, test long-range rockets, keep a million under-fed dwarfs in arms, and top it off by abducting a couple of American journalists, and presto! You’ll get the ex-leader of the free world — or maybe the ex-free world? — scurrying to the dismal seat of your dysfunctional parody of a dictatorship for a photo opportunity. There will be America groveling at the feet of North Korea in Pyongyang — in Pyong-effing-yang, no less. Isn’t that something?-National Journal
Klinton was the perfect stooge, not only did he give legitimacy to a murderous tinpot, he upstaged his lovely wife Bruno.
How can you not enjoy all of this?
Dusty
August 16th, 2009
3:33 pm
Well, thank you , AmVet@ 2:59 for reminding us that the “non-cons” aka DEMS own virtually all of the talent and most of the brilliant minds in the nation.
I presume you mean the stellar mob in Washington as led by Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Shumer, Durban, Franks, Jefferson, Waxman and our traveling salesman Obama. and his comic relief man, Biden.
Yes, indeed, they are all yours. We credit them with their outstanding brilliance and untiring effort to raise the biggest debt known to man. In fact, the cabinet members have decided to pay their own taxes to help out or did the IRS get that smoothed over?.
But Georgians are generous. If you care to come get Jimmy Carter we would let you have him. This country will soon have nothing left in the treasury but a few peanuts. You might as well have Jimmy as well..
jconservative
August 16th, 2009
3:35 pm
Michael H. Smith
I basically agree with the long outline in your earlier post on a co-op.
As I stated earlier, I am not thrilled with this option but it really beats hell out of a public plan.
I worked several years for a private industry co-op. Co-ops can be really efficient organizations. Once members realize that it is their profit being wasted, everyone gets tight fisted. The problem with the present system in the gross inefficencies. That is one reason we spend more per capita than any other country.
Here is the irony when it comes to the Administration. Obama was given this option of a co-op back in June 2008 along with several write ups on assorted government options. For reasons unknown, they apparently elected to toss the co-op option as I never saw a word come out on any of their campaign websites. Pressure from the left of the party?
Now, if the reports are accurate, he may be forced to take ownership of this plan.
@@
August 16th, 2009
3:36 pm
Do you have a single specific idea to contribute to health care or to your assertion that things are great like they are now?
I’m all for the co-ops and eliminating boundaries set by the states. Let’s see what the people can do before giving the government even more control.
Business is nothing without consumers and vice versa. Politicians are all-powerful although expendable. Business too is all-powerful but NOT expendable unless, of course, you’ve got a party who seeks to nationalize everything. Once that happens, you’ve got yourself a communist regime. I’ll never be down with that.
Enough time has been spent on you, Crush. I’ve got a dinner to finish and a huge backyard to mow.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:37 pm
@@ You’re as close to Katy Abram as it could possibly get. She was full of sound and fury and her comments didn’t convey any informatioin–that’s because she neglected to acquire any before reaching the age of 30 something. She’s easily avilable on You Tube just as you want your screaming neighbor without any information to be.
She screamed at Specter during a town hall that “her country is being turned upside down.” She added that her taxes are soaring (lying about that). She then concluded that this country is “turning into Russia”
None of th is stupidity from Abram contributed to anything but the fact that she brought the stupid to the town hall.
The next day Lawrence O’Donnell interviewed her. O’Donnell was the lawyer ran the Senate Finance Committee, for some of its most productive years under Senator Moyahan, the one who is reportedly writing the bill now because Obama is wussing out of public health option. This is the committee whose six members writing the bill take the most money from the insurance lobby by far–one of who is Grassley who patently liked about “Death Squads” which came directly from an amendment that Johnny Issacson of Marietta wrote and wrote it as mandatory but agreed to change it to voluntary but reimbursed for the physician’s time.. Issacson is a Republican Senator from a state not far from you called Georgia last I checked with a career in real estate and the Georgia Senate previously.
O’Donnell also co-wrote “West Wing” for most of its existence.
O’Donnell: “How will your taxes go up if you have no job and no income?” Abram: “Duh I dunno. I was mad.” [You betcha she was--"touched in the head" is one crude discription, but badly educated is the etiology.
Then O'Donnell: "Katy do your parents get Medicare? "
Katy: "Yuk Yuk I don't discuss politics with 'em. But they're almost at that age [65] and I think they will.”
[You becha. They would be dumber than Katy if they didn't.]
Katy: “Ah was jist so mad ah don’t even remember what ah said, and ah didn’t hear it at the time.” [Figures]
Katy also had an insightful jem about not wanting her children to run out of toilet paper–I guess points that underscore Katy is familiar with toilet paper in some capacity. She seemed to be u sing it while on camera on both days of her 15 minutes of fame.
Katy finally added that “ah wants mah Constitution back.”\
If that’s the Constitution I know about, that’s the one adopted by the Convention in 1787 and put into effect in 1789. At the time, women did not have the right to vote. Katy is unaware of that, but the 19th Amendment rectified that in 1920.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
3:38 pm
For 20- to 24-year-olds, the unemployment rate is 15.3 percent, compared to 9.4 percent for the overall U.S. population. College tuitions are rising, and students are graduating with both student loans and loads of credit card debt.
The Yes we can!/ gimme generation got what they asked for.
As Richard Pryor used to say, you don’t get old being a fool.
And yet, when young people ask government to throw them a life preserver and save them from the choppy waters of a rough economy, they’ve all but given up. Even if they get the short-term economic aid they’re seeking, they’ll lose their self-sufficiency in the process and become dependent on an unresponsive bureaucracy. That’s not good. In fact, it’s dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6pphVs8bF0
Midori
August 16th, 2009
3:44 pm
Crush,
your comparison of @@ and Katy is dead on!
such an astute observation.
thumbs up to you.
here’s the interview with Lawrence, in all its glory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_09xPF_9UjM
michael jackson's corpse
August 16th, 2009
3:45 pm
None of the libs know what is in the bill anyway.
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:48 pm
@@–
You’re parotting a platitude that is all over every website sponsered by Dick Army and funded by billionaire David Koch who owns the largest oil company in the country.
Coops have been in existence and not one is licensced because they are completely woreythless for about 30 years. They have zero impact on insurance companies and offer them zero competititon because they are worthless and we’ve had 30 years to watch this. They are responsible for 430 Georgians losing coverage per day every day. They haven’t stopped three insurance companies from dropping 20,000 humans in the past five years, and garnering a $344 profit by taking their premiums prior to dropping them. In 94% of the US–every city, town, hamlet, and railroad stop with one postoffice TWO insurance companies are the only choice for people. The e is zero competition. I’ve outlined the stats in response to Mr. Booger, and I’ll finish them later.
They are responsible for thousands of women dying because their insurance company dropped them when they got breast cancer, uterine cancer, and ovarian cancer. You’d be real popular with those womens’ families.
And of course you’d be for them. You’re Katy. And Katy is you. The only difference is you paste the platitudes without backing a single one of them up from right wing websites or Clusterfaux or Rush and Katy is probably trying to distinguish the Start button from her belly button
Dusty
August 16th, 2009
3:48 pm
Awwwww Crushing@3:00
You proclaimed:”We are deep in debt because of the moron Bush and the moronic Iraq War mainly.”
That declration is so worn out and useless that even GoodWill will not take it. Are you now stealing lines from our anti-war warriors Taxpayer and TnGelding.?
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:52 pm
Just because that declaration is worn out, doesn’t change that it’s a fact. And a Nobel Prize Winner has a 400 page large seller outlining it dollar by dollar extensivel’ty documented.
I find your counter of “worn out” worthless Dusty next to the financial documentation by the Nobel Prize winner in economics. I’m sure you’re close to that Nobel Prize in 2010 though, you’re just hiding your prize winning thesis–”worn out” is that the way you’ll win it?
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
3:54 pm
I haven’t stolen any lines from anybody. You’re probably talking about posts I haven’t read. LOL Dusty you find facts on health care as difficult as Katy Abram. We have a lot of Katy Abrams’ here. Your Katy Abram Dusty. You never have any substantive health care facts or ideas either. That’s why we crushed ya and we’ll continue to crush ya. Vivela Rush and Clusterfaux and “me write pretty some day” Palin. LOL
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
3:55 pm
Dusty you are always welcome to swallow the bait I proffer for the ignorant and newly outraged. Had only you myopic fops been so “aware” eight years ago.
No ideas. No credibility. No prospects. The new GOP…
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
4:00 pm
@ Booger:
Aetna had premium increases up $738.7, 11.8%, primarily from membership growth in 2009.
Cigna Corporation (CI), reports increased profits: $1.58 per share in the second quarter, up from the same year-ago quarter profit of $.96. Health care segment results were pretty good at $177mn, down slightly from the same year-ago quarter, but up from $154mn in the first quarter. That’s because they dropped nearly 900,000 humans.
Premiums and fees in the second quarter 2009 decreased approximately 7% relative to second quarter 2008 primarily due to a decline in medical membership, partially offset by rate increases.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
4:02 pm
That decline in membership was 7.3%, 878,000 human beings dropped and discriminated against because they got sick and profits decline for insurers when they pay claims.
Wellpoint dropped 734,000 in 2008 and 1.1 million members the first quarter of 2009.
In the AMA’s large comprehensive survey, duplicated by others, 94% of the US is dominated by TWO insurance companies as the only choices.
AIG used TARP money to pay PR firms to attack critics of its bailout, and denied medical injry claims for Iraq and Afgahnistan injuries. Goldman got $13 million funneled from AIG. AIG is routinely denying the most serious claims from Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-contractors17-2009apr17,0,5505250.story
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Insurance companies initially rejected 44% of claims from contractors involving serious injuries and more than half of all claims related to psychological stress, records show. As a result, civilians maimed or traumatized in the war zone often must wage lengthy court battles for medical care and benefits.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
4:03 pm
Obama, who, in fact, invokes Jesus in speeches more often than Bush did, according to an analysis by Politico, not only embraced his predecessor’s initiative, but has given it the loaves-and-fishes treatment by expanding the mission. As described by DuBois in a video posted on the White House blog, the office’s mission extends even to “figuring out the role of faith-based organizations in combating global climate change.”
Why does Obama get a pass?-Kathleen Parker
So what happened to the “oogedy boogedy?”
Even the dumbstruck can have moments of clarity, huh?
bark, bark.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
4:06 pm
And finally Mr. Booger–
When it was announced about 3 weeks ago, specifically 7/28/09 that Baucus had made a deal on ditiching a public option from Senate Finance, insurance stock soared.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/07/28/us/politics/politics-us-usa-healthcare.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=senate%20may%20drop%20public%20health%20care%20option&st=cse
The S&P Managed Health Care index of large U.S. health insurers closed 6.5 percent higher.
Aetna rose 12.6 percent, Coventry was up 12.7 percent and Cigna was 7.7 percent higher, all on the New York Stock Exchange. Centene rose 7.9 percent.
Health insurance executives who have poured money into the campaign coffers of Blue Dogs, Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, Kent Conrad, Joe Lieberman and Susan Collins (as well as their political action committees) likely made all their money back in the one day rise in stock prices. The companies themselves, which hold huge amounts of their own stock, surely recouped all of their PAC investments on Tuesday July 28 alone.
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
4:08 pm
Jesus should have zero over zilch to do with governing, and we all know it. The invocation of religion doesn’t sway my vote–and it’s hog.wash when used in politics not religious freedom. It belongs in a church.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
4:12 pm
jconservative
Obama has not given-up totally on Co Ops and he is open to accepting them as an alternative to the public option. He has told, according to what I’ve read in the press, the group of six Senators to keep working on their plan. What I purposed I realize has some extreme powers that could pose real dangers and could do irreversible damage to the good parts of the for profit healthcare industry – i.e. it takes a great deal of money to bring new drugs and treatments to market and if we are to have healthcare that continues to make advances in medical care, some restrains or cut backs to some of that proposal I made will naturally have to occur. Otherwise the non-government non-profit Co Op cure will kill more than just the disease within the for profit system. Which would result a healthcare quasi-monopoly or monopolies.
I Report/ Vast White Wing Conspirator :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
4:15 pm
Colin Powell has been awfully quite lately.
David Frum- heeellllllooooooooo, wheeerrrrreee aaaarrrrrreee yooouuuuu?
Arlen Spectre- How does it feel to be a fourth rate bit player has been in a second rate has been political party? How’s the senility/ confusion/ disloyalty affliction working for you?
Peggy Noonan- Hysterical much lately?
bwa