Liberals are warned a health-care deal may be cut
from Politico:
“After the toughest week yet for health reform, leading Democrats are warning that the party likely will have to accept major compromises to get a bill passed this year – perhaps even dropping a proposal to create a government-run plan that is almost an article of faith among some liberals.
With August dominated by angry faces and raised voices at town hall meetings, influential Democrats began laying the groundwork for the fall, particularly with the party’s liberal base, saying they may need to accept a less-than-perfect bill to achieve health reform this year.
“Trying to hold the president’s feet to the fire is fine, but first we have to win the big argument,” former President Bill Clinton said Thursday at the Netroots Nation convention, a gathering of liberal activists and bloggers who will prove most difficult to convince. “I am pleading with you. It is OK with me if you want to keep everybody honest. . . . But try to keep this thing in the lane of getting something done. We need to pass a bill and move this thing forward.”
“I want us to be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf,” he said after recounting the political troubles that followed his failed reform effort in 1994. “
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getalife
August 16th, 2009
10:48 am
Perhaps the libs will join the cons and go yell at them.
But seriously, it is great to finally see Americans fighting the establishment
It’s a start because you just can’t trust them.Period.
@@
August 16th, 2009
10:52 am
It’s an issue of trust, jay. Polls show that the people trust Republicans more than Democrats.
Make no mistake….dems will concede in the interest of party politics. Bill Clinton knows all too well what happens, politically speaking, when a political party tries to shove healthcare down the throats of the American people. The problem is Obama’s created bigger problems for the party with his overly aggressive moves.
We shall see.
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
10:59 am
“Polls show that the people trust Republicans more than Democrats.”
Maybe (though I’m hardly convinced). They just won’t vote for them! Which is all that really matters.
Perhaps if they can find a new Joe McCarthy, or is it Ronald Reagan? (I always get their “heroes” mixed up)…
Dalton
August 16th, 2009
11:05 am
The only “heroes” we want are politicians that don’t want us to become a communist commune.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
11:06 am
I guess all of the ‘Apology Tours’, bowing to foreign leaders, his close circle of radical far left associates and friends, White House surveillance and ’snitch on your neighbor’, the massively insane spending, ‘Cash for Clunkers’, etc., etc., are finally taking effect. Accent that with “Hillary Gone Wild’ (Obowo’s Secretary of State, some really fine representative for our country there, dontcha think) overseas with the foreign press last week, and you have the circus of idiots closing to a complete circle.
What a show.
What a sad, pathetic, sick joke these people are in DC.
And the drooling minions still worship this fool and his toadies. I guess one cannot be any lower form of life on the planet than an Obama worshiper – unless you still scream your mindless support for this socialist every single day.
Now, my question is this… which of you fools wants to be first to ‘report’ me to the White House Gestapo?
Lord knows why it took this long.
Jackie
August 16th, 2009
11:14 am
No deals!
Put the proposals on the table and let everyone see where EACH congressman votes on the issue. It will stop the wordsmith game they are all playing.
This will show us who has our best interest at heart.
getalife
August 16th, 2009
11:16 am
Yeah, I have to call bs on Americans trusting the gop more after 8 years of destruction of America but after 8 years of dems @@’s dream for her party to destroy our country again might come true.
Jackie
August 16th, 2009
11:18 am
@Bud Wiser
The only thing that can be lower than an Obama supporter is a a so-called conservative that only believes what Rush and those others want you to believe.
Either they can’t read or have had a frontal lobotomy lately.
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
11:21 am
The only “heroes” we want are politicians…communist…”
VERY McCarthy-esque! Niiice…
That nutjob would be proud; 60 years on and he is still undoubtedly one of the right’s great “thinkers”.
The apologists’ favorite apologist:
http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg
and
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/codename_009/BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg
booger
August 16th, 2009
11:32 am
This is exactly why Obama was pushing so hard to get this passed before the August recess. The more time people had to absorb this bill the smellier it became. It also gave people time to discover that the government has no idea how to pay for the plan.
Call the townhallers racist as Cynthia did, evil as Harry Reid did, Or any of the other media generated names, they had an impact.
Bless there little hearts!
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
11:40 am
“This is exactly why Obama was pushing so hard to get this passed before the August recess. The more time people had to absorb this bill the smellier it became. It also gave people time to discover that the government has no idea how to pay for the plan.”
And if it sucked, none of them would achieve their ultimate goal of being re-elected. Seriously, how stupid are these cons?
Peyton
August 16th, 2009
11:43 am
Did you know that it is a law in Georgia, enacted July 1, 2007, that every hospital provides patients with an end of life directive information? I was at DeKalb Medical for knee surgery this week and they provided me with the information on living wills and the web site address to pull down documents that provide for a Durable Power of Attorney. Go to http://www.dekalbmedical.org and see for yourselves. Wonder why the conservatives haven’t pointed that out to anyone. And, by the way, the drug bill that was passed by Congress in 2003 by the Republicans, had the same end of life directives in it that they are now calling “death panels.” Republicans have taken dishonestly and manipulation to an entirely new level. If my congressman can have single payer health care, why can’t I? And, if you don’t want socialized medicine, then prove it by refusing to ever accept Medicare. The majority of people receiving Medicare never paid into the system – i.e. housewives have never paid one dime into a system they are not taking from and no, their husbands did not double up on their contributions and pay for them. We need to move away from an income based tax system and have a consumption based system (similar to the fair tax) so that everyone pays, not just those of us who work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 16th, 2009
11:50 am
Well, I say do anything to keep the insurance cos. making profits. You got to keep Capitalism going. Don’t pass no guvmint health care that would make them compete. Do something like this co-op thing that won’t work in the end. My buddy Jim Earl says there ain’t never been a co-op plan that ever worked. They all got snuffed out by the insurance cos. that gave money to politicans to pass laws that work against co-ops.
I’m awful glad alot of good Conservatives worked so hard against this medical bill. They might could pass something that will work for a couple years, but after that the bums and the people that won’t work and the people on welfare will be right back where they started and where they belong. Without health care.
Have a good Sabbath everybody, except for mike. He says his Sabbath is on Saturday. Must be one of them healthens.
Kamchak
August 16th, 2009
11:51 am
Seriously, how stupid are these cons?
I think it’s more a matter of short-sighted reactionary-ism. Like you said, if the Democrats had put forth a bill that sucked, Republicans could have gained seats in Congress. The public is well aware of the efforts of the obstructionists and a bad compromise bill is now and anchor around the necks of these obstructionists.
Crushing the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
11:54 am
Amvet–
You should definitely see this movie when it gets here.
It Might Get Loud 2008 Guys With Guitars, Trading Riffs and Metaphysical Musings
It’s a documentary on guitar playing with Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, the Edge of U2 and Jack White, White Stripes.
booger
August 16th, 2009
11:56 am
number1ninja,
How stupid are these cons?
I really wasn’t prepared for such an enlightened comeback. It’s rare to find this sort of critical thinking this day and time. You have really given me something to ponder.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:00 pm
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
11:06 am
We don’t have to report you. Bush left the means for the WH to detect it without our help.
I hope you feel better after demeaning yourself and crippling your argument with the name-calling.
GEORGE AMERICAN
August 16th, 2009
12:01 pm
THAT IDIOT CLINTON SAYS <i?“I want us to be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf.”
THE DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY PINCHIN’ A FULL LOAF ON HEALTH CARE.
I’M WITH PALIN ON THIS ONE
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:03 pm
Peyton
August 16th, 2009
11:43 am
The key word in your last sentence is “similar.” I agree, that baby needs some tweaking.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
12:07 pm
Deals have definitely already been cut. Biden/Emanuel staffs okayed it for the 5 old white men and one ditzy woman repping 2.7% of the US population to cut two deals that would gut Health Care Reform.That would be the so-called Table of Six from the Senate Finance Committee chaired by Max Baucuss and the Minority Leader is Chuck Grassley he of the Death Panels scare tactic who was lying through his teeth and put himself on the level of Facebook Palin.
One was with the pharmaceutical lobby repped by Billy Tauzen which guaranteed them no Medicater competitive bidding. The result would be Medicare continues on the path towards going broke which need not h appen–this was the same deal that Bill Frist, MD cut for Tauzen and makes him well worth the over million bucks Big Pharma pays him.
The second was the deal last week with the Hospital lobby.
It would insure that when you are inpt. hospitalized or ER treated you get charged rates like $12 for a Tylenol and $120 for a cling wrap that costs $3 at Kroeger and when your ins. company pays it they pass it right on to you. It’s also part of the reason that St. Joe had a standoff with their insurance company ending last week, and Piedmont did a couple years ago.
These two deals as much as say to the House’s 3 Committees since Obama/Biden/Emanuel’s staff sanctioned they be made by Senate Finance that the House does not count.
It will be intriguing to say the least if the House allows themselves to be shoved out of this legislation in Conference Committee. There are 3 powerful minority factions in the House that say they will accept nothing but a public plan which the insurance companies regard as silver chains like the Vamps in True Blood.
Two myths that the Repubs keep pushing here are that malpractice caps (important but not central) and the immigration problem (not touched by 50+years of Rep[ublican domination in Congress and the White House) are the keys to fixing health care.
That’s total fiction. The key to fixing health care is to stop the dropping of 12 million people who had the misfortune to get sick. And no doubt there are plenty of bad habits that lead to illness like smoking, diet, lack of exercise. But stats show that many people who get sick, don’t get sick per se because of a bad choice they made–they do get sicker if they can’t get access to care whether its diabetes or cancer.
These 12 million people have been discriminated against by the Insurance Companies who dominate 94% of the US with just twoinsurance choices. 430 of them per day are Georgians.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
12:10 pm
I would only compromise on tort reform. The focus on the uninsured is also wrong-headed. The bill does make it easier to qualify for Medicaid and cuts the subsidies for Medicare Advantage, which are needed. Now if we can just get those that are eligible to sign up.
Until we take profit and marketing out of the equation, the costs are going to continue to rise at an unacceptable rate.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:14 pm
I do wish I could give Bill Clinton his half a loaf and make Mr. Obama and all you liberals happy Jay Bookman but I just can’t. You understand it that old independent conservative streak in me.
But tell you what, let’s make a deal, here’s the proposition and it’s a whole loaf…
Only one law needs to be enacted to remove the barrier that prohibits the selling and buying of healthcare insurance across stateliness. After that change the healthcare system can remain exactly the same old status quo, PROVIDED the empowerment and conditions I want given to and put on non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives are passed into law. In fact, Mr. Obama and socialist liberal company I may never need the Medicare I’ve been paying for to provide Medicare benefits for others to receive and I’ll likely leave my children and future generations of grandchildren without a crushing load of punishing entitlement debt for wrongs they never committed.
The empowerment and conditions:
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives should be allowed to form anywhere in the country where none either exist or no healthcare cooperative exist that is owned, controlled and administered by its consumer members who shall have voting rights, as within any other private sector corporation. Start-up or establishment of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives should be funded either with government assistance or allowed to raise the necessary start-up capital through the selling of tax exempt bonds. In the case where tax exempt bonds are sold for the establishment of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative all monies generated by the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative that would otherwise be profit will go directly to paying off bond holders. There after all monies over and above operating and administrative costs shall be applied to lower the premium costs of the consumer members. (Nice means to build a retirement income or pay for a child’s education)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be allowed to form networks with other non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives of like kind operating independently of one another, as to member voting rights, applicable bylaws and as separate private-publically held corporations. (Hard to beat the strength in numbers, even when disadvantages exist)
They shall offer for purchase health insurance coverage and or services to any U.S. Citizen including the Citizen’s family or any legal resident alien including their family of which have at least two years of established permanent U.S. residency. They shall deny healthcare insurance coverage and or services to any illegal alien and shall render only emergency humanitarian aid in compliance to current law. The Federal government shall make reimbursement in full within no less than 30 days to the respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative for all services rendered in providing emergency medical humanitarian aid to any illegal alien. (Adios Illegal Amigos)
No consumer member of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative shall be allowed to pursue collective bargaining agreements with or against other consumer members within a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. All doctors, dentists and their assistants or any other individuals or entities which provide services or products to a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer member shall be bound to this non-competitive collective bargaining agreement. (Good-bye SEUI)
All non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall establish medical savings accounts for their individual consumer members from which policy premium payments shall be extracted and applied to their healthcare insurance policy administered through their respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives for basic healthcare services covered under any basic healthcare insurance policy sold by any licensed insurer from anywhere in the jurisdiction of the United States of America. ( Basic healthcare insurance policy to be defined by law ). All consumer members shall have a healthcare insurance policy that covers basic and major medical care. ( Major medical coverage shall prevent medical bankruptcy by law ) Basic insurance policies that cover the following can be purchased optionally as an addendum for such services as: Abortions that do not threaten the life of the mother, do not involve a case of incest or rape, end of life counseling, drug treatment programs, behavioral modification programs, cosmetic surgeries not related to accidents or for sex change operations, physical enhancement programs or any other medical services to be deemed beyond the delivery of basic healthcare. (Hello universal accessible, affordable and portable healthcare the individual owns, controls and takes responsibility for their own choices independent of the government or a business)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall not be subsidized by the government. Only consumer members of the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall receive any form of subsidy from government which shall be direct deposited into their medical savings account administered through their respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. (Nice to have complete control of whatever you own without a having that silent partner named government)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to purchase in bulk for resell to its’ respective consumer members as prescribed by any licensed medical doctor any drugs approved by the FDA, including purchasing re-imported FDA approved drugs and shall be enabled through network exchange supply in equitable trade of any drugs purchase under this stipulation between cooperatives. (Happy trails to you BIG PHARMA)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to own and operate clinics or hospitals within the healthcare market where they are licensed to conduct business in a State or in a region of States and shall upon binding agreement with its consumer members set self-imposed limits on malpractice liability punitive damage awards for pain and suffering. (How’s business HMO’s, was there an objection raised by the trial lawyers, perhaps it was just those insurance companies that sell overpriced malpractice insurance murmuring in the background)
Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives shall be enabled to provide full medical scholarships to promising deserving financially challenged students who desire to become doctors or nurses in return for two years of service after graduation and licensing in any clinics or hospitals owned or operated by the respective non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative or a designated affiliate of the non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. Priority shall be given to under-served areas where a shortage of doctors and nurses exist to deliver healthcare services within the healthcare market where the sponsoring non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative is licensed to conduct business in a State or in a region of States. (Nothing like hedging an investment, I mean, to serve the greater public good of course)
Funding subsidies: Diverting taxes and subsidies to aid in assuring payment of premiums for basic and major healthcare policies (Read my lips Mr. Obama, no new taxes on anyone to fund, healthcare not even on the rich earning more than $250,000 annually.)
Where subsidies are required to assure affordability to all consumer members of a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative due to insufficient income or loss of employment or legitimate psychical or mental disabilities determined by cooperative’s doctors:
(1) Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer members shall receive a portion of all “sin taxes” – now collected by government under the guise of providing or paying for healthcare costs – to be directly deposited into their respective medical savings accounts established with and administered by a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative. (2) In addition, a small portion of all gaming proceeds now collected by governments shall be direct deposited into non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer member’s medical savings accounts, furthermore a national healthcare lottery should be allowed establishment if additional revenues are required for the funding of subsidies and to fund medical education scholarships. Non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative consumer members who choose not to receive subsidies or do not require subsidies or do not choose to receive subsidies from these means of funding shall receive a healthcare tax credit established by the Congress in lieu using of these subsidies.
Businesses shall be allowed to contribute to their employee’s medical savings accounts established with and administered by a non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperative and receive tax deductions as currently provided under law. Consumer members that receive no contributions from an employer shall receive the same tax deductions as currently provided under law to employers for any personal contributions they make into their medical savings account .
AmVet
August 16th, 2009
12:25 pm
Crushing the pubt’s, thanks.
For me it looks like a can’t miss type of film. Who doesn’t love watching guitar gods in action?
“I think it’s more a matter of short-sighted reactionary-ism.”
Exceptionally on point and succinct, Kamchak.
The way I see it, much of the reason for the GOP’s implosion and uncontrollable hemorrhaging over the pat few years is that mainstream America has finally woken up to the fact that the post Nixon-GOP lacks any sort of coherent vision for the future of the Republic. At least one either not based on some irrelevant 1950’s model or one where corporate fascists control most aspects of American society.
And it is no accident one of their many new monikers is the Party of No. As in no ideas, no credibility and no prospects…
Finn McCool
August 16th, 2009
12:30 pm
Hehehe,
Conservatives now think they are in a position to dictate demands on what kind of health care deal they will “accept”? Those folks live in a dream world.
The democrats are going to dial it back a bit but that is to just get the first ball moving. There are still 3.5 years to get EVERYTHING passed.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:43 pm
It is such a joy reading articles like the one I read yesterday from the Huffington Post on Obama’s selling out the left to cut a deal with big PHARMA. Silly liberals will never learn and they’ve yet to get a bill out of either august body in Congress.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
12:44 pm
@@,
got a link to that “poll”?
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
12:47 pm
“I really wasn’t prepared for such an enlightened comeback. It’s rare to find this sort of critical thinking this day and time. You have really given me something to ponder.”
Given the way they’re acting these days, that might be the only thing that wouldn’t go over their heads. But hey, let’s not let an economy hamstrung by health costs get in the way of your fear of change!
number1ninja
August 16th, 2009
12:49 pm
Yes Mike, let’s give the biggest and most crooked insurers free reign to crush all the little guys by expanding their scope. So all our health insurance is the equivalent of Windows Vista.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
12:50 pm
Midori
Generic Congressional Ballot
Republicans Maintain Lead Over Democrats on Generic Ballot
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot
booger
August 16th, 2009
12:54 pm
#1ninja,
Hey, you can quit selling. Your last reply convinced me that you way is the only way. I’ve read it over and over and can’t seem to find a flaw.
Good work!
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:01 pm
What am I selling, Booger? All I’m pointing out is that once again the conservatives have done nothing but stick their fingers in their ears and deny reality. The joke of a “plan” they came up with is nothing but scapegoating of the usual parties, so if that’s all they got, they should just shut up and wait to take credit for it in tens years when it works like they almost always do. And I guarantee it will work for them.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
1:02 pm
number1ninja, most crooked insurers even the so-called honest in the bunch would not be happy in the least to compete against what I purposed. It would be very questionable if any of them could survive such competition.
And by the way number1ninja, what I purposed is still being negotiated in the Senate by a group of six Senators on the finance committee. I seriously doubt they will go as far as I went in gutting “special interests” all the way around the healthcare table but you might be in for a real shock, because non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives is one of the best bets on becoming law.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:05 pm
The pollsters receiving the lowest scores are Zogby International, the American Research Group and Rasmussen Reports.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:13 pm
Jackie at 11:18 – typical drooling left wing groupie that has no rational or factual rebuttal to anything at all I said – all you have are your puny insults.
If that was not one of the more ignorant displays from a cracker chasing fool, then I guess there is no room left for discussion.
You don’t even make it into the irrelevant pool, as you may poop in it on your arrival. Of course, who could tell……
@@
August 16th, 2009
1:13 pm
Sure thing, Midori although you’ll choose to discount them. That would be Politico’s “Public Strategies, Inc.” or Rasmussen.
Rasmussen’s Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Issue Healthcare:
Democrats 41% — Republicans 44%
Issue Economy:
Democrats 40% — Republicans 46%
Issue Education:
Democrats 38% — Republicans 41%
Issue Iraq:
Democrats 42% — Republicans 42%
Issue Nat’l Security:
Democrats 43% — Republicans 47%
Issue Abortion:
Democrats 36% — Republicans 46%
Issue Social Security:
Democrats 39% — Republicans 43%
Issue Taxes:
Democrats 35% — Republicans 51%
Issue Immigration:
Democrats 35% — Republicans 43%
Issue Gov’t Ethics:
Democrats 34% — Republicans 31%
That last one’s interesting. Not a large gap. I’ve always said that when resources are limited, it’s human nature to fight to protect what’s ours. Now that Republican and conservative Democrats have seen just how “insensed” conservative dems, republicans and independents can be, they’ll be treading lightly.
All three will be fighting to insure that the far-left wing of the dem party is FOREVER annihilated. I couldn’t be happier.
Before Obama won the election, I predicted the left wing of the party would overreach. They did. Some of the most deeply entrenched left wingers will be out in 2010. It’ll be a long time before people forget this GREAT DIVIDE….more will follow.
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:16 pm
Gelding, you demean humanity every time you open your mouth, and yes, I always feel better when I point out the stupidity of your friends, and your continued stubborn stupid political positions.
Thank you for asking.
Question
August 16th, 2009
1:19 pm
Seems health care reform (or whatever warm and fuzzy the admin is now calling it) will hopefully not go the route of all previous crambills, i.e., pass something/anything before anyone reads or knows what is in it, regardless of the cost.
Regarding health care reform, we have still not seen answers to “why is it needed”? and “how is this going to be paid for?”. And stop insulting us with — no tax (however the current admin defines “taxes”) increase for 95% of the population!!!! Health care reform is the last straw of — I’m getting tired of paying for/supporting those who will not work, refuse to work, are generational government dependents, a burden and cost to society, have no sense of responsibility, only know and expect entitlements, and continue to have children — each by a different man!! You want health care reform and lower societal health costs — focus on the front end and prevent these leeches from reproducing (this will also likely positively impact the crime rate — at least in Atlanta)!
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:19 pm
**Sure thing, Midori although you’ll choose to discount them**
just a little trick I learned from you guys…..
Cherokee
August 16th, 2009
1:21 pm
Rasmussen, huh. What a surprise….
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:23 pm
Cherokee
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:25 pm
“And by the way number1ninja, what I purposed is still being negotiated in the Senate by a group of six Senators on the finance committee. I seriously doubt they will go as far as I went in gutting “special interests” all the way around the healthcare table but you might be in for a real shock, because non-government non-profit consumer mutual insurance cooperatives is one of the best bets on becoming law.”
That would be an idea that has promise, then I would agree with you. I’m also wary of the feds taking over something as big as health care, however I think that someone beholden to your future votes has much more incentive to do it well than someone who takes all your money then doesn’t care if you die or not, since you’re broke. Non-profit would be ok with me, but I’m very worried about the possibilities of monopolies, because that would be far worse than any socialism scare people could dream up.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 16th, 2009
1:29 pm
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.
The only “loaf” that the democrats will be leaving us with is a fruitcake.
Compromise for them is victory, for once their little goony bird is hatched, raised and sputtering around in the air, there will be nothing to stop them from transforming it with legislation into the “grandma” buzzard that they so desire, a monstrosity picking at the eyeballs of the nations elderly.
We must choke this whole God awful works to death in it’s nasty little crib. ew.
DoggoneGA
August 16th, 2009
1:31 pm
“you demean humanity every time you open your mouth, and yes, I always feel better when I point out the stupidity of your friends”
When you use language like: “typical drooling left wing groupie “…trust me, it isn’t the “stupidity” of the OTHER person you are pointing out. You are only revealing YOUR stupidity.
TnGelding
August 16th, 2009
1:33 pm
Bud Wiser
August 16th, 2009
1:16 pm
At least I have the humanity to want all of us to get the best health care available and understand that I’m not the most important person in the universe nor the most brilliant. But my star does put off a soft glow once in a while and I think I’m fair-minded, and never resort to name-calling.
#1ninja
August 16th, 2009
1:33 pm
Sorry if I get abrasive, but sometimes I have a hard time separating real people from the seething troglodytes, and then I Report comes back to drive the point home.
Michael H. Smith
August 16th, 2009
1:35 pm
My isn’t this a big surprise?
Drug Industry to Run Ads Favoring White House Plan
The drug industry has authorized its lobbyists to spend as much as $150 million on television commercials supporting President Obama’s health care overhaul, beginning over the August Congressional recess, people briefed on the plans said Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html
How does it feel liberals to be a BIG PHARMA duped sucker?
And all the liberals worry about is the greedy insurance companies while the rest of the healthcare industry crooks are taking them to the proverbial cleaners.
By the way liberals tell me why the AMA supports your public option and why some of its various members don’t: © !
DoggoneGA
August 16th, 2009
1:36 pm
“then I Report comes back to drive the point home.”
That’s easy to deal with. Do what I do, just scroll right on past. You won’t be missing anything interesting anyway, and it’ll save your blood pressure some stress.
@@
August 16th, 2009
1:37 pm
Midori:
You’ve always preferred hypocrisy whether it be from your sources or politicians.
You’re a follower, not a leader.
The American people have led in this health care debate. It’s about damn time.
Midori
August 16th, 2009
1:48 pm
and you, @@, have always preferred lunacy over reality.
a republican trait, I know.
I’m ever so glad you left my party.
you want hypocrisy? see ya at the local town hall. I can’t wait to see your sign.
Crush the pubt's
August 16th, 2009
1:49 pm
What so called Micheal Smith just wholesale pasted without attribution from some wingnut blog when he’s not getting his quotes from Clusterfaux and Rush is jibberish. And Smith is unaware of the two deals between big Pharma and Hospitals $80 billion and $155 billion concessions over ten years for trillions in profits and the agreement of Obama and Senate Finance to back away from legislation that would force competititve drug bids for Medicare and a public plan to reign inr runaway insurance premiums and dropping of 12 million people recently because they got sick.
Bill Clinton wasn’t advocating half a loaf yesterday at Netroots–he was advocating giving away and trashing the whole bakery by abandoining the Public Option–and telling the House to go Coop itself and forget they exist or count. We’ll see in Conference.
Coops have been around for years and they have not done anything to stop 12 million insureds from losing their insurance because they got sick. This includes 430 Georgians per day. They are unlicensced and they have done nothing to correct the central problems of insurance companies and drug companies gouging the public beyond their reach. They have done nothing to prevent patients of all ages who are on essential meds for chronic diseases from choosing between groceries and their meds, or using one out of 3-5 critical meds they need to take to stay alive or prevent disastrous consequences.
They haven’t stopped premiums from going out of reach of individuals and companies (soom to be $21000 per year for a family of four) –how’s that for the Republican answer to the economy they wrecked?
It hasn’t stopped charges at hospitals whether it’s the ER or inpatient from being outrageous and unaffordable that insurance companies pass on to you directly in premiums.
If Smith is going to chain paste, he ought to give credit to his sources instead of pretending this jibberish comes directly out of his Palenesque brain.