So Isakson wanted MANDATORY end-of-life directive?

Note: The above headline has been corrected.

In my AJC column today, a revised version of an earlier blog post, I walk through the role played by Sen. Johnny Isakson in the whole “death panel” dispute, including his discomfort at being cited by President Obama as one of the original backers of end-of-life planning.

The piece also reflects Isakson’s insistence that the amendment he proposed in the Senate health-care bill — language now stripped from the bill as a result of the controversy — was considerably different than that in the House bill.

“My Senate amendment simply puts health care choices back in the hands of the individual and allows them to consider if they so choose a living will or durable power of attorney,” Isakson said in a statement. “The House provision is merely another ill-advised attempt at more government mandates, more government intrusion, and more government involvement in what should be an individual choice.”

This morning, however, comes news that casts a new, more awkward light on the story. Jonathan Cohn at the New Republic points out that the Senate amendment originally proposed by Isakson was quite a bit different, and quite a bit more harsh, than that adopted in committee.

“Under its terms,” Cohn points out, “filling out an advanced directive would have been mandatory for all senior citizens. So if you turned 65 and failed (or refused) to file a living will, you simply wouldn’t be able to use Medicare.”

In the House language that has drawn such criticism, including from Isakson, the counseling would be entirely voluntary. But according to Cohn, Isakson wanted to make it mandatory, refusing to allow people to enroll in Medicare without an advanced directive.

Indeed, that is exactly what Isakson’s original language proposed:

“…an individual shall not be entitled to, or enrolled for, benefits under part A or enrolled under part B unless the individual has, in accordance with procedures established by the Secretary, provided proof to the Secretary that the individual has in effect an advance directive recognized under State law…the term ‘advance directive’ means a living will, medical directive, health care power of attorney, advance directive, or other written statement by a competent individual that is recognized under State law and indicates the individual’s wishes regarding medical treatment in the event of future incompetence. Such term includes an advance health care directive and a health care directive recognized under State law….”

Cohn reports that the language was watered down in committee only at the insistence of Sen. Barbara Mikulski, a Maryland Democrat. If that version of events holds up, it’s surprising and a little disappointing as well. Isakson’s complaints about the House approach imposing “more government mandates, more government intrusion, and more government involvement in what should be an individual choice” take on a whole new meaning.

268 comments Add your comment

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
10:25 am

huzzah! oneth

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
10:30 am

as for Johnny … all I can say is WOW … maybe the same person who authored the amendment also authored Palin’s facebook post …

jconservative

August 14th, 2009
10:31 am

Wow! If this version of that Senate bill is correct, and Isakson did in fact co-sponsor that bill, then that makes Isakson on of this nations top 10 Socialist. Period.

Barbara Mikulski watered it down? Barbara Mikulski??? Wow!

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
10:34 am

Maybe Johnny should cop a plea — senility. Doesn’t he read his own work. Newt should make a GOP excuse bumper sticker out of this — Don’t blame the GOP, They’re Senile.

TnGelding

August 14th, 2009
10:36 am

Say it ain’t so, Johnny!

It is a good idea though. Some people have to be forced to take care of business. I haven’t even done it yet, and I know better.

Kamchak

August 14th, 2009
10:40 am

So when Isakson talks about the government rationing health care and government death panels, he really does know what he is talking about.

Shawny

August 14th, 2009
10:40 am

Get a will or don’t get govt medicare. What is the big deal about that? That is a good idea. All seniors should have a will.

What does this have to do with the govt deciding care late in life? apples and oranges. This way the individual decides what they want. Isn’t choice good? Isn’t keeping the govt out of our lives, making decisions for us good?
What am I missing?

Turd Ferguson

August 14th, 2009
10:43 am

Oh johnny johnny johnny…just another of the govt intrusion crowd. Perhaps libertarian party is the way to go.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
10:45 am

“I was for government mandates before I got outed.” Well, that’s what Johnny should have said instead of lodging his foot so deep down that even his most excellent taxpayer-funded health insurance plan will question the voracity of a claim for re-imbursement — assuming a successfull operation, of course.

George American

August 14th, 2009
10:46 am

ISAKSON – A SOCIALIST IN LIBERAL’S CLOTHING!!!

lovelyliz

August 14th, 2009
10:49 am

Evidently you are allowed to lie & create your own facts if you are a member of the GOP and do so in tehe name of Jesus Christ, Ronald Reagan and the corporate wallet.

booger

August 14th, 2009
10:54 am

Nowhere in Johnny’s version does it indicate a person must have counseling. It simply says they must have a directive. This is usually accomplished by the individual alone if they are competant, or with family if they are not. That is a far cry from counseling.

I had to do this with my parents in the past couple of years in order for them to enter a nursing home. It was a family issue, not a govt. program.

Brad Steel

August 14th, 2009
10:54 am

Yeah yeah yeah “government intrusion in to your freedoms” blah blah blah “consumer choice” flammidy flamm flamm “let the market decide”. Oh plu-leez

Just like car insurance, drivers licenses and other common sense requirements, a will should be required to reap the benefits all the social safety nets that our civilized society provides.

stands for decibels

August 14th, 2009
10:54 am

Holy crap. It’s got his signature and everything.

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
10:57 am

dB –

“Holy crap. It’s got his signature and everything.”

he was drunk!

it wasn’t him!

the sun was in his eyes!

he thought he was signing the bill requiring a birth certificate for all presidential candidates whose name starts with O and ends in bama!

Cynthia McKinney made him do it!

Turd Ferguson

August 14th, 2009
10:58 am

Dow Jones down 141 points…ouch.

LARRY FLYNT FOR PRESIDENT!

getalife

August 14th, 2009
10:59 am

cons stole Isakson’s cause on this issue and turned it into something they can yell about at town halls.

They are the same cons that stopped Clinton’s reform.

Meanwhile:

“Blue Cross Blue Shield has received a state’s approval to increase its rates an average 22 percent for its individual and group conversion product lines. ”

cons want to pay more .

Geez.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 14th, 2009
11:04 am

Johnny probably owns an interest in a company that does that sort of death panel counselling, either that or a casket company. You shouldn’t write to much into anything Johnny does, we’re not talking about a man of integrity here.

And, you know, Ol’ Wyld Byll knows that about which he is speaking.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
11:10 am

Nowhere in Johnny’s version does it indicate a person must have counseling. It simply says they must have a directive. This is usually accomplished by the individual alone if they are competant, or with family if they are not. That is a far cry from counseling

Do my eyes deceive me. Someone commenting onthe actual words in a bill. That is just so un-Patriotic. So un-American. So unlike a Republican. You must be an Independent, too.

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
11:11 am

more good economic news:

U.S. industrial production rose for the first time in nine months in July as a federal “cash-for- clunkers” program spurred demand for cars and automakers completed mid-year overhauls of their factories.

The 0.5 percent increase in output at manufacturers, mines and utilities was more than forecast and followed a 0.4 percent drop in June, Federal Reserve data showed today in Washington. Capacity utilization, the proportion of factory volume in use, rose from its lowest level since record-keeping began in 1967.

General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC opened plants shut during their terms in bankruptcy, boosting car production in July, when they also benefited from cash incentives for fuel- efficient cars. A record drawdown in inventories in the first half of 2009 has set the stage for an increase in output that may help pull the U.S. from the worst recession since the 1930s.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=arVtM_B3Mp5c

Ray

August 14th, 2009
11:11 am

Surely were not trying to hang the ‘hypocrisy’ label on the GOP.

No way!

jconservative

August 14th, 2009
11:13 am

booger – “It was a family issue, not a govt. program”

The alledged Isakson bill makes it a government program. Your only option is to refuse Medicare Part A & B. How many people do you know who refused Medicare? I know 2, both with net worths in excess of $100
million. I am sure there are others.

“…an individual shall not be entitled to, or enrolled for, benefits under part A…”
————-

Jay – the bill did not include Part D? just A & B?

———–

I still say, if true, this makes Isakson a card carrying Socialist.

Nerlman

August 14th, 2009
11:16 am

Johnny is a liar? Who’da thunk it?

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
11:17 am

“Socialist” … I do not think this word means what you think it means ..

this has been yet another edition of Inigo Montoya for Republicans.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
11:18 am

To update, Jay, here we have the GOP on its deathbed and no mandatory requirement for end-of-life counseling at the taxpayer’s expense. What is the world coming to.

To add insult to this this newfound injury, if they [GOP] ever try to rise from the ashes, they’ll most surely be left with equal despair for I fully expect to see any mandatory “beginning of life” family counseling (and, we know what family counseling really is) removed from this legislation before all is said and done.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
11:21 am

Rush, Hannity, et al, need to do the right thing and throw Johhny under the bus. Do it for the cause. Do it now.

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
11:23 am

“Rush, Hannity, et al, need to do the right thing and throw Johhny under the bus. Do it for the cause. Do it now.”

“BURN HIM!! HE’S A WITCH!! HE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!! (I got better)”

there. fixed your typo.

TnGelding

August 14th, 2009
11:26 am

Turd Ferguson

August 14th, 2009
10:58 am

At least you could enjoy a little porn without fear of being arrested.

It’s mostly consumer sentiment and Boeing:

“The S&P 500 is still up about 47.5 percent from its closing-low set on March 9.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/usMktRpt/idUSN1429256120090814

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
11:33 am

end of life issues…..

been there done that.

not being a doctor, nor playing one on the teevee machine….we were grateful for the help of a wonderful doc who explained to us all about intubation, ventilation and the like.

i can’t imagine putting together plans for life’s end without the knowledge and input of a Doctor…..kinda’ like building a house without
somebody with contractors experience.

to each his own.

rcs

August 14th, 2009
11:34 am

“The S&P 500 is still up about 47.5 percent from its closing-low set on March 9.”

I think that’s something positive we can all agree on.

jconservative

August 14th, 2009
11:38 am

Only 29 comments in over an hour? Strange

I have heard of “speechless” but this…….well you know.

rcs

August 14th, 2009
11:42 am

jconservative,
I think the issue has worn itself out.

Bosch

August 14th, 2009
11:42 am

Well Isakson has obviously stepped in his own doodoo, but I think it’s a great idea for living wills to be mandatory for Medicare/Medicaid.

And if you don’t have a living will, then I think in an crisis situation the default should be DNR.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 14th, 2009
11:43 am

What the hell difference does this make?

Are we supposed to swallow the health care bill full because hacks from both sides want to euthanize us?

Slow news day?

RW-(the original)

August 14th, 2009
11:43 am

So Isakson wanted MANDATORY end-of-life counseling?

Where is the word counseling in the Isakson amendment? Unless you’re using the question mark to pretend the screaming headline is intended as a true question in which case the answer appears to be no.

Bosch

August 14th, 2009
11:44 am

Paul,

Have we discussed this before? THERE IS GONNA BE A BATTLESTAR GALACTICA MOVIE!!!

RW-(the original)

August 14th, 2009
11:45 am

Only 29 comments in over an hour?

Not counting the 2 thousand or so comments on the exact same topic over the last couple of days.

Paul

August 14th, 2009
11:47 am

When I first heard Ikakson’s rebuttal I thought “he’s dissembling.”

Looks like I was correct.

Guy’s got no (fill in the blank for words meaning “male fortitude” or ‘courage’).

‘Tis a shame, too. ‘Twas a good idea.

Paul

August 14th, 2009
11:48 am

BOSCH!!!

THERE IS?!!?? REALLY????? WHEN?!!?? OMG THERE REALLY IS A GOD!!!!

Finally. We can have some sane, meaningful discussions on this board. Hey! And it’s Friday…. the tradition renews!

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
11:50 am

RW –

meh.

I’m ready to start the Friday traveling music early …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4

this was my contribution first thing this morning …

Bosch

August 14th, 2009
11:52 am

Paul,

Here’s a link:

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0928486/

Looks like it’s in the “we’re gonna do it, but haven’t really gotten around to doing anything yet” stage.

But, YIPPEEE!!!!!! There really is a God (or Gods).

SO SAY WE ALL!!

Doggone/GA

August 14th, 2009
11:53 am

“What am I missing?”

Well, to use the logic of the conned: if the government can mandate that you HAVE TO HAVE

Paul

August 14th, 2009
11:53 am

Bosch

From down below:

Yesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your 11:31 – the lead is correct. This is self-evident proof of the existence of God!

Updated info:

http://screenrant.com/bryan-singer-battlestar-galactica-movie-rob-21510/

One downer… appears it’ll take place too early for Caprica Six…

Doggone/GA

August 14th, 2009
11:54 am

Sorry!
“What am I missing?”

Well, to use the logic of the conned: if the government can mandate that you HAVE TO HAVE an “advance directive” (sounds like the Prime Directive, doesn’t it?) then it’s oonly ONE STEP away from the government FORCING you to say what THEY want you to say in that directive.

Get it?

david wayne osedach

August 14th, 2009
11:55 am

Everyone should have a living will. To deny them Medicare if they don’t is criminal!

Paul

August 14th, 2009
11:56 am

Bosch

SO SAY WE ALL!!!

I love the sound of the Blog cringing!

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
11:56 am

Paul –

don’t get too excited about the movie:

“What is apparently coming to the big screen, however, is a Battlestar Galactica movie based on the original 1978 series instead!”

http://www.filmjunk.com/2009/02/22/universal-developing-battlestar-galactica-movie/

so lame, it’s lam-AY!

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
11:58 am

TnGelding

August 14th, 2009
12:00 pm

RW-(the original)

August 14th, 2009
12:00 pm

USinUK,

That’s because for you it IS time to start the traveling music.

As for me I’m heading back to the forest for a while.

Brad Steel

August 14th, 2009
12:01 pm

Jay,
Here’s hoping your Les Paul link is cool.

RW-(the original)

August 14th, 2009
12:04 pm

Once we get it cranking don’t forget this weekend is also the 40th anniversary of that little gathering in Bethal.

Later!

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
12:04 pm

RW –

for you, since you’re heading to the woods:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuksPhbUMc

Turd Ferguson

August 14th, 2009
12:06 pm

In other news…Squeaky Fromme is being released.

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
12:10 pm

TnG –

WHAT a fantastic version of the Tn Waltz! the harmonies were stunning …

but the only thing missing was some good virtuoso guitar …

so, try this on for size:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByGsHTlKmWk

Normal

August 14th, 2009
12:13 pm

GEORGE, Didn’t you recently say that Isakson was a “GREAT AMERICAN”?

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
12:14 pm

TF –

I’m less p’d about Squeaky than I am about the Lockerbie bomber …

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6796144.ece

he has prostate cancer??? well, isn’t that just too effing bad … in my book, all that is is “a good start” …

Scooter

August 14th, 2009
12:24 pm

USinUK
Honest question!
Could the stock market fluctuate if the HCB is passed or not?

Question

August 14th, 2009
12:26 pm

The outcome of end-of-life counseling is clear — Soylent Green!!!

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
12:27 pm

“Obama says he’s willing to be a one-termer
Tells Blue Dogs he’ll stake office on health care reform…”

I am so proud to have voted for President Barack Obama!

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
12:31 pm

and after we get ou HCB…

we get to do this whole dance again

“”Not Just for Health Care Anymore …
Leaked memo shows energy industry execs sending employees to industry sponsored events to play average citizens outraged about cap-n-trade.

–Josh Marshall”"

Please

August 14th, 2009
12:32 pm

This is very very sad. I am all for some kind of healthcare reform. Instead of trying to have any kind of reasonable debate, the left gets its fingers on one issue and runs with it. People are trying to misdirect what the REAL issue is.. at this point.. We cannot pay for it. We could increase taxes.. sure why not.. but what about all the future tax increases to come? and come very shortly. We have social security that we have to worry about.. states and cities are closing public services from lack of tax revenue. Let’s face it.. people are blind to any kind of budget and its very very sad.

Thanks Jay for helping this country get more into debt. I am not a member of any website group.. just a plain taxpayer who gives to charities and works about 60 hours a week so I can give my family a little bit more in life. Sure.. I could take a 9 to 5 job.. but where is the fun in that?

Scooter

August 14th, 2009
12:34 pm

Mrs. G, but will the Blue Dogs stake their office?

Dusty

August 14th, 2009
12:37 pm

Well, could it be that Isakson CHANGED HIS MIND? We are quite familiar with that process.

Obama: to McCain: I will take only the same amount of money as you for the election process. HE CHANGED HIS MIND.

Obama pre-election: I will bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. HE CHANGED HIS MIND

Obama pre-election: I will close Guantanamo HE CHANGED HIS MIND or he can’t get rid of them..

Obama pre-election:: An investigative panel should study Bush. HE CHANGED HIS MIND.

Obama: I will NOT raise your taxes. HE IS CHANGING HIS MIND!!!!!!

So don’t worry your lil’ ol’ liberal heads about Isakson. Like Obama, HE CHANGED HIS MIND!!

——–

Gone for the day. Have fun at the ding-a-long . Well, anything is better than Bookman’s running reruns. Cheers!!

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
12:37 pm

Please

perhaps this will help you out:

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php

Keep going….keep reading for yourself….everything you can get your hands on….

that is….if you really want to help us fix our economy that is….

Turd Ferguson

August 14th, 2009
12:39 pm

If OboboCare passes then the 2010 elections highlight will be “Dems swept from office”.

Yes U/U…the lockerbie guy shouldnt see the light of day. Let him rot in prison.

DebbieDoRight

August 14th, 2009
12:40 pm

below is an email that i received from the Townhall.com people. Vellly interesting……..

Dear Townhall Reader,

Now it’s time to turn up the heat.

I’ve spent the last several days talking with fellow pro-life Senators about our strategy to ensure that any new national health care plan does NOT include coverage for abortion on demand.

We’re all agreed on two main points:

1. This has to be the #1 objective of the pro-life cause right now — if we fail, millions of babies will pay the ultimate price, and;

2. We have the truth and public opinion on our side, but what’s needed is steady grassroots pressure on key lawmakers nationwide.

And it needs to begin right now.

That’s why I’m asking you to click here to sign the Susan B. Anthony List’s petition to keep abortion out of healthcare.

We must ACT to stop the abortion mandate today.

Because if President Barack Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi pass a national health insurance plan that includes full coverage for abortion on demand:

* Taxpayer-funded abortions will be the law of the land in all 50 states.
* Health clinics nationwide will become federal abortion facilities.
* Millions upon millions will be killed each year.

That’s some kind of “hope and change” isn’t it?

I don’t know about hope, but it’s a definite change away from everything we’ve achieved these past eight years to promote a culture of life.

So please act right now and sign the petition-– if we all come together and make our voices heard, this could be the biggest victory for unborn children in a decade.

What makes this such a desperate fight?

For beginners, new entitlements never go away.

President Obama knows that, and so do Nancy Pelosi and the lobbyists at Emily’s List and NARAL –- they see this as a way to solidify government policy in support of abortion for generations to come. Of course, we created federal entitlements like Social Security and Medicare in the past to help people live. This new entitlement promotes abortion, not life.

That’s not a sign of progress. It’s horrifying, and we cannot allow it.

So after you sign the petition, I hope you will rush the most urgent contribution you can afford right now to the Susan B. Anthony List.

This legislation creating a new national health care plan is changing rapidly, moving through various committees, with anti-life lobbyists trying to sneak abortion coverage in at every turn.

You have my word that I am paying close attention to all the language in these bills, and so are my pro-life colleagues both in the House and the Senate.

Emily’s List, NARAL and Nancy Pelosi’s pro-abortion friends won’t sneak anything by us. If they want to create a new abortion entitlement, they’re going to have to cast a series of public roll-call votes.

And those votes will be very close.

Because I don’t have pro-life stalwarts like Elizabeth Dole and Rick Santorum here with me anymore, I’m not working with a big margin in the Senate.

The numbers are difficult in the House as well.

But there is hope.

Recently, 19 House Democrats signed a letter to Speaker Pelosi expressing their opposition to abortion funding in health care reform.

I’m told a handful of Senate Democrats are prepared to express similar principles to Majority Leader Harry Reid.

The rest -– and victory or defeat — is up to you.

If you and the really dedicated pro-life footsoldiers across America can summon enough energy, outrage, noise and financial generosity on our side, we’ll win.

Susan B. Anthony List staffers and I have identified the dozen lawmakers we consider the key “swing votes” on this issue, and our petition with thousands of names of Americans nationwide will go directly towards applying pressure on them to vote against taxpayer-funded abortions.

David Vitter
U.S. Senator

P.S. Townhall Reader, this will come down to one or two Senators and maybe ten Representatives -– that’s who will make the difference between a huge pro-life victory or a new national health insurance plan that will use taxpayer dollars to fund the entire abortion-on-demand agenda and result in millions of murdered babies.

I’m doing everything I possibly can in the Senate to stop this new abortion entitlement, but I need your help.

There’s more but it just makes my stomach hurt to read it…..

Paul

August 14th, 2009
12:40 pm

USinUK

[[so lame, it’s lam-AY!]]

If one doesn’t understand one’s origins, how can one understand present condition and future possibilities?

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
12:41 pm

Scooter –

Are you asking if the health care bill would cause the market to crash??

I don’t think so – obviously, it “could* definitely have an impact on the pharma sector, depending on what’s in it, but from what I’ve seen so far, there doesn’t seem to be anything that would be too egregious for it. definitely nothing that would make the market go into the high-speed jerks.

bottom line … contrary to what someone said earlier, the insurance companies still have a VERY healthy bottom line, even if premiums have declined. let’s say a HUGE overhaul passes (let’s throw a hail mary and say single-payer goes through … it’s not, but just for giggles, let’s say it is), UnitedHC, Aetna, etc. are not running so close to the bone that any changes would strangle them. additionally, unlike manufacturing, they are services, making adjustments to their products MUCH easier to implement.

and, lastly, let’s face it – this has been a very long, drawn-out process with loads of communication on all sides. in other words, the market is currently pricing in any changes to the healthcare system. you have huge shocks/steep declines when the market gets surprised by something such as when earnings are lower than expected or when you have catastrophes like Katrina.

sorry. that’s probably a fairly rambling answer … it’s friday, what can I say. let me know if that helps.

TnGelding

August 14th, 2009
12:45 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
12:27 pm

Hill/Bill in 2012!

Hopefully the rookie can turn it around.

Paul

August 14th, 2009
12:45 pm

DDR

Is it worth falling on one’s sword over this issue? Opens a Pandora’s box of other on demand services.

Besides which, it’s a false issue. Federal law already prohibits federal funding for abortions. But it will keep the contributions flowing.

Seems like it’d be a fine issue for Liberal Charities to step up and fund.

TnGelding

August 14th, 2009
12:49 pm

Dusty

August 14th, 2009
12:37 pm

Sorry I missed you, but he said he would take the troops out of Iraq and put them in Afghanistan.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
12:50 pm

Turd

Hate to burst your bubble…..

but CQ sees it differently….

2010 House Outlook: Democrats Look Secure
By Greg Giroux and Bob Benenson, CQ Staff
As they gear up for the 2010 midterm elections, Democrats appear secure in their House majority they won with a big gain in 2006 and reinforced with another advance in 2008.

CQ Politics’ election analysts found 100 congressional districts with races where either major party stands a chance of winning the seat. That includes three true tossup seats, many districts that are only slightly competitive and some highly competitive. Of the 100 races worth closely watching, Democrats are defending 59 of the seats.

more here:

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003177606&cpage=1

not to mention the astroturfers don’t seem to be doing any serious damage

Weekly Tracking Poll: Democrats Win First Round of Town Hall War?

here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/14/766698/-Weekly-Tracking-Poll:-Democrats-Win-First-Round-of-Town-Hall-War

Jake

August 14th, 2009
12:53 pm

david wayne – You don’t know what you’re talking about. No one proposed mandating a living will, although in one area you are correct, it is a very good idea to have one. What you’re missing is that ‘advance directives’ as indicated above include health care POA’s. While I think most rational people would want to make their own decisions the POA grants that authority to someone else. So strictly speaking no one would be required to determine whether or not they wanted to be coded, vented, tubed, etc., they could just delegate that to a loved one.

Jake

August 14th, 2009
12:58 pm

USinUK – Huh? How are those British health care insurance companies faring? A pure single payer system will put UHC and others out of business won’t it?

Scooter

August 14th, 2009
12:58 pm

USinUK,yes that helped. I’m glad you could figure out what I was asking.
Thanks! You may not remember, the last time you gave me advise I made money. Thanks again!

DebbieDoRight

August 14th, 2009
12:58 pm

I got a REAL good laugh from this today. Thought it’d break the monotony a little bit at least.

Is Significant Drop In African-American Support In Obama’s Future?
By Matt Towery

That’s why I was startled when our firm, InsiderAdvantage, conducted this past week two separate surveys about various issues for corporate clients in the area. Both polls were conducted on the same night. To keep phone respondents on the line while the poll quizzed them on rather mundane subjects, they were told they’d be given a chance during the questioning to offer an opinion on the job performances of certain political leaders.

Culture of Corruption by Michelle Malkin FREE

I was shocked when one survey showed President Barack Obama with a disapproval rating of 35 percent among African Americans in Georgia, while the second one had it at 38 percent. Those two results are statistically identical, as both polls had margins of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

Obama still shows relatively strong support coming from blacks in national surveys. So how do these two Georgia polls make sense?

At first blush, they don’t. But I’m highly confident in our ability to gauge the opinions of black voters in Georgia and other Southern states. From Deb: :shock: :roll:

like i said, it was REAL funny!!! Also on the page, I noticed that Michelle Malkin can’t GIVE her rag away!!!

http://townhall.com/columnists/MattTowery/2009/08/07/is_significant_drop_in_african-american_support_in_obamas_future

mm

August 14th, 2009
12:59 pm

But the wingnuts think it’s ok if the GOP comes up with the idea. Pathetic.

Paul

August 14th, 2009
12:59 pm

TnGelding 12:49

And now it is clearly his war. Not Bush’s. I’ll go even further: calls of ‘Bush didn’t do enough in Afg and now Obama’s going in in a big way” doesn’t tell the whole story.

“In a report released earlier this week, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee warned the Obama administration that unanswered questions about lingering U.S. involvement in Afghanistan could frustrate the public.

“The administration has raised the stakes by transforming the Afghan war from a limited intervention into a more ambitious and potentially risky counterinsurgency,” the Senate report concluded. ”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/washington/6572312.html

So, yes Pres Obama did say he’d do that. And after he took office he also changed the strategy and scope.

But as the Senate report said, it may not have been the wisest course of action. And now it appears even if the general in charge says he needs more troops to make it happen, the Obama Administration won’t give them to him.

‘Tis a lovely mess a’forming, isn’t it?

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

let the banks fail…..save the insurance companies….

huh?

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

scooter –

“Thanks! You may not remember, the last time you gave me advise I made money. Thanks again!”

oh, yay you!!

always remember Warren Buffet’s advice: when everyone else is bold, be cautious. when everyone else is being cautious, be bold.

Normal

August 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

I gave my kids my verbal living will…”If the doctors can’t help me, then shoot the doctors…”

Actually, a living will is good for one main reason. It will remove any guilt your loved ones might have for having to pull the plug on you otherwise. Of course for me death would be good…it would mean I could finally retire..

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
1:02 pm

Well, after hearing about how that Republican, Isakson, has done and gone turncoat on the conservative cause, maybe this will cheer the distraught up a little:

Income inequality in the United States is at an all-time high, surpassing even levels seen during the Great Depression, according to a recently updated paper by University of California, Berkeley Professor Emmanuel Saez. The paper, which covers data through 2007, points to a staggering, unprecedented disparity in American incomes. On his blog, Nobel prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman called the numbers “truly amazing.”

Though income inequality has been growing for some time, the paper paints a stark, disturbing portrait of wealth distribution in America. Saez calculates that in 2007 the top .01 percent of American earners took home 6 percent of total U.S. wages, a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.

As of 2007, the top decile of American earners, Saez writes, pulled in 49.7 percent of total wages, a level that’s “higher than any other year since 1917 and even surpasses 1928, the peak of stock market bubble in the ‘roaring” 1920s.’”

You see, the Bush administration did so take care of you. And, to think that some of you were worried about getting your fair treatment, getting what’s yours.

DebbieDoRight

August 14th, 2009
1:03 pm

Bosch: that’s the beauty of their plan!!! they know their people are too dumb to read any federal regs themselves, so they “read” it for them!! And while reading it, they add a little here and there to fire up their retards!!! It’s a perfect plan!!! Reminds me of Orwell’s 1984 mantra:

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

The republicans prove this theory every day……

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
1:04 pm

Jake –

“Huh? How are those British health care insurance companies faring? A pure single payer system will put UHC and others out of business won’t it?”

darlin, you may want to research a couple of little companies called AXA and Aviva – they both provide health insurance and are doing quite well, thankyewverymuch.

Scooter

August 14th, 2009
1:09 pm

Normal @ 1:01 Tooooo funny!

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
1:09 pm

Jake –

” Aviva Plc, the U.K.’s second-biggest insurer by market value, and Germany’s Hannover Re led insurance stocks higher after earnings beat analysts’ estimates.

Aviva said first-half operating profit rose 12 percent to 1.69 billion pounds ($2.9 billion).”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ancsMzTgs3H8

and, while AXA had asset management issues, their revenues were strong.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
1:10 pm

And, just so everyone knows that Bush did not forget about the little guy with his economic policies:

“…while the bottom 99 percent of incomes grew at a solid pace of 2.7 percent per year from 1993-2000, these incomes grew only 1.3 percent per year from 2002-2007. As a result, in the economic expansion of 2002-2007, the top 1 percent captured two thirds of income growth.”

Well, maybe they got a solid 1.3 percent per year up until the economy collapsed. Then, they gave it all back. Not to worry though. The top one percent came through this mess is mighty fine shape.

By the way, now might be a good time to praise that Republican plan again. Your plan is really working great, GOP. Don’t change a thing. Really. Honest.

USinUK

August 14th, 2009
1:11 pm

Normal –

“Actually, a living will is good for one main reason. It will remove any guilt your loved ones might have for having to pull the plug on you otherwise.”

ZACKLY – my dad filled out his about 5 years ago because he knew that none of us would want to make that kind of decision.

Normal

August 14th, 2009
1:11 pm

Thanks Scooter, do doin’ OK?

rcs

August 14th, 2009
1:12 pm

Mrs. G,
Seems a little odd the Dems won the first round but the Senate panel has stripped the language from the bill.

Paul

August 14th, 2009
1:13 pm

Just had a call from my Congressman. He’s scheduled a town hall for Tues. The guy’s a doctor. I think I’ll go.

He’s clever. Asked everyone to be on their best behavior, as the meeting will take place in a church. Heh, heh, heh…

DebbieDoRight

August 14th, 2009
1:13 pm

Dusty: Obama pre-election: I will bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. HE CHANGED HIS MIND

He NEVER said anything about Afghanistan. He always maintained that Bush got sidetracked by the bright gleam of oil and vengeance when he veered to Iraq and he, bush, never FINISHED the job in Afghanistan. Now look at what has happened in Afgh. — insurgents that we once had driven out of Afgh. are back and stronger than ever. As for Iraq, as you recall Bush was the one who agreed to the timetable to remove troops per the Iraqi government’s request. What COULD OBAMA have done about that?

Obama pre-election: I will close Guantanamo HE CHANGED HIS MIND or he can’t get rid of them..

His first executive order was to close Guantanamo — you know that; you conservatives sure like to rewrite history………

Obama pre-election:: An investigative panel should study Bush. HE CHANGED HIS MIND.

And I for one, hope he CHANGES IT BACK!!!

DebbieDoRight

August 14th, 2009
1:17 pm

Paul, wear kevlar, carry a big stick, and a couple of guard dogs. Go in peace.

Normal

August 14th, 2009
1:17 pm

USinUK..Sometime I think my kids would fight for the right to pull my plug…But I do have this plan when I do die. I will be cremated, of course, and I’ve always wanted to be put in the ocean, so I came up with this plan. There will be a New Orleans style party honoring my life and when everybody gets real drunk, there will be a lottery. The winner will get to flush my ashes down the toilet. maybe I’ll get to the ocean some day, don’t cha think?

By the way, remember to look up early Sunday morning…I’ll have the pilot honk the horn…

Mrs. Godzilla

August 14th, 2009
1:19 pm

rcs

little skirmishes….large battles…..big war……

try thinking a little bigger.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 14th, 2009
1:19 pm

Well, I’m sure old Johnny got mixed up and said something he didn’t want to say. It was probly all them dinners with lobbyists that give him booze and maybe he picked up the wrong papers or something. Anyhow, I know good and well Johnny wouldn’t force somebody to make out a living will to get on this Socialist Medicare program.

It’s clear he sobered up later and said what he really meant to say in the first place. Of course, the libruls ain’t going to let him forget what he said in the first place. They just love sticking it to a good Conservative Senator.

Sorry to see Sister Dusty done signed off the blog. I reckon it was time for her triple Whopper with cheese and fries and a shake. A girl’s got to eat if she’s going to keep her weight on her.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody, and you can relax. I stocked up all the places and you’ll have plenty of beer when the traveling music comes on.

Taxpayer

August 14th, 2009
1:21 pm

maybe I’ll get to the ocean some day, don’t cha think? If you get flushed down a N.O. toilet, you’re only a levee away from the ocean, at best.

Scooter

August 14th, 2009
1:22 pm

Doin great Normal, getting antsy wondering what your first song will be!

rcs

August 14th, 2009
1:24 pm

Mrs G, your comment was on the first round. Not the big picture.

For what it’s worth, I think it will be passed in some form. Republicans do not have the means to stop it, and the Blue dogs will eventually go for it after a little deal making on the side.