New Afghan strategy should be given time to be tested

Last month was the deadliest month yet for British and American troops, and August casualties are running at a similar record pace. Among the recent toll is Marine Capt. Matthew C. Freeman, killed Friday.

Freeman was from Richmond Hill, a little town not far from Savannah on the Georgia coast. The Pentagon announced another three American deaths today.

By next month, Gen. Stanley McChrystal is expected to submit an official assessment of the situation in Afghanistan to President Barack Obama, including recommendations on future troop levels. And like most of those who have experienced Afghanistan first-hand, McChrystal is pretty sobering about what improvements might be expected in that country, even with a long-term high-level commitment by the United States.

So what do we do? The way ahead is perhaps best illuminated by two questions that sound similar but in fact may have two very different answers:

1) What can we hope to accomplish in Afghanistan, given limits on the resources, manpower and patience of the U.S. and its allies?

2) What must we accomplish, at a minimum, in Afghanistan, regardless of those limitations?

We know, in rough terms, the answer to the second question. Afghanistan must not again become a refuge for al-Qaida terrorists plotting attacks against the United States and its allies; Afghanistan cannot become a base from which the Taliban and al-Qaida attempt to overthrow the government in neighboring Pakistan, a nuclear-armed nation struggling to preserve its democratic form of government.

Those goals, while complicated, can probably be achieved with a less intense commitment of manpower and resources than we’re currently making in Afghanistan. And no matter what course changes we make, those goals will remain our bottom line, the minimum that our national security requires.

Answering the first question is more difficult. Even the most optimistic observers don’t argue that we can rebuild Afghanistan into a modern, functioning nation-state.

For one thing, you cannot “rebuild” what never existed in the first place. Afghanistan, a nation of 28 million largely illiterate people, has never been a modern, functioning state, instead transitioning through the years from feudal state to client state to chaos.

It may yet be possible, however, to create a loosely federated Afghanistan with a central government strong enough to carry much of the burden of keeping terrorists from operating on its soil. Toward that end, McChrystal and others recommend a considerable increase in the size of Afghanistan’s military and police forces, funded by U.S. taxpayers.

The situation in neighboring Pakistan and in Iraq offer at least some cause for hope. The Pakistani Taliban are in a bit of a retreat, but only because the Pakistani government has taken it upon itself to act against a Taliban threat that it finally came to perceive as deadly. Likewise, the situation in Iraq began to only turn when Sunni Iraqis grew sick and tired of the jihadists among them and helped to oust them.

It is far from certain that the Afghan people and government will take a similarly proactive hand in their own self-interest, and unless they do, chances of long-term success are slim. By all accounts, the government of Hamid Karzai, the prime minister likely to be re-elected later this month, is thoroughly corrupt and undeserving of the loyalty of its people.

However, with renewed attention, additional resources and a new strategy and leadership now being brought to bear, the American military seems prepared to ask for another year to see what might be possible in that country. Given the circumstances, it’s a reasonable request.

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George American

August 11th, 2009
4:10 pm

IF OBARMA AND HIS LACKEYS HAD 1/2 A SPINE, THEY WOULD USE THE SUPERIOR AMERICAN MILITARY TO ELIMINATE THE TALIBAN.

WHERE IS OILIE NORTH WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

Gandalf - First!

August 11th, 2009
4:11 pm

Gandalf is always #1!

Gale

August 11th, 2009
4:11 pm

How many major powers will try to bring order to Afganistan and fail before we understand that it will have to be done from within, and the Afgani people will have to be ready to do it themselves. We cannot create Western style order because they are not a Western culture. They are still primarily tribal. Any central government will have to recognize tribal loyalties.

md

August 11th, 2009
4:12 pm

Our so called nato allies already told Barry to take a hike. Must be time to pull the plug on nato and the un and bring the boys home. Let them man our borders and inject their pay into our economy and to he11 with europe. Let them protect themselves for a change.

@@

August 11th, 2009
4:13 pm

jay, I’m hoping that Dr. Abdullah wins out over Karzai in the election. That, I believe, would prove to be a great help in our efforts.

That said, Afghanistan is the least of our problems. Why this administration wanted to pick a fight with Russia is beyond me.

Don’t poke the bear.

ByteMe

August 11th, 2009
4:17 pm

Jay, you have an error: Answering the second question is more difficult. You already answered the second question at that point.

mike

August 11th, 2009
4:26 pm

I agree with Jay that we need to give the strategy time to work. Too bad he didn’t feel that way about the surge in Iraq:

“”President Bush and others are proposing to escalate our effort in Iraq…It is a futile gesture, a vain attempt to salvage what is already lost…We could lose the lives of many more U.S. troops, as well as adding many more billions of dollars to the bill..to pay for this war…In another six months or a year, if the surge fails and the reservoirs of public trust and faith are drained dry, a responsible, phased drawdown may no longer be politically possible. So, this may indeed be our last, best opportunity in Iraq, not to magically transform it into a success, but to manage its repercussions in a way in which we still exert some control over the course of events. It’s a chance we cannot afford to squander by chasing sweet but unattainable dreams. That’s how we got into this mess in the first place.”

Hmm. Sounds like Jay is much less skeptical when it is a Democrat who “escalates”. No big surprise there.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 11th, 2009
4:38 pm

Well, looks to me like this Gandalf is No. 2, not No. 1. And even a kid knows what a No. 2 is.

Have a good night everybody.

Bud Wiser

August 11th, 2009
4:38 pm

Obowo the Unwise will do anything to divert attention from the economy, including sacrificing more kids in Afghanistan, and droning on about this failing health care crap.

I give you a short but accurate video of this astronomical failure called Obama.

Even you morons on the left should be able to sit through this one, because it excoriates GW Bush, and you demonstrate time and again your unfailing sense of blaming everything wrong in the universe on George.

Sit back, and be ready to puke at your clown of a “leader” when done.

Then, reflect on your own stupidity for continuing to support him.

Mrs. Godzilla

August 11th, 2009
4:42 pm

Mike

I agree.

With the democrats in charge, there is a lot less reason to be skeptical. (and with good reason…….)

Joey

August 11th, 2009
4:49 pm

Mike; Good point. Jay cannot help but be Jay.
But I suspect he will offer a justification for his double standard.

Meanwhile if President Obama’s supporters grow tired of supporting war prior to November 2012…. Will they Johnson him out of office?
Where is Papa Walter when we need him? Calling Brian Williams. Or Katie. Or Chris Matthews. Yeah, That’s the ticket. Chris Matthews stops the quagmire in Afghanistan.

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
4:49 pm

If Bush had only apprehended Gog and Magog in Iraq. He should have included them in that Deck of Playing Cards so the soldiers would have known who to be on the lookout for.

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
4:50 pm

Well, looks to me like this Gandalf is No. 2, not No. 1. And even a kid knows what a No. 2 is.

No! Tell me he’s not a Turd.

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
4:50 pm

Friends, if you want to truly understand how we got to the point we are now at with our economy, please read the following site: http://www.newamerica.net/files/Thomas_Palley_America%27s_Exhausted_Paradigm.pdf

It’s a long (34 pages) read but it is well worth it to truly understand what is wrong with America’s economy.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 11th, 2009
4:50 pm

Likewise, the situation in Iraq began to only turn when Sunni Iraqis grew sick and tired of the jihadists among them and helped to oust them.

Are these libs still angry about The Surge or what?

Why would our soldiers fight for these democrats when all they do is dis them and will eventually surrender?

mike

August 11th, 2009
4:51 pm

Mrs G –

If I had a dollar for every mindless partisan who told me that their transparent double standards are justified because they are “right”, I’d be a rich man. It is as common a tactic of mindless partisans as accusing the other side of being evil and demonstrates similar levels of delusion..

I know you think that Democrats are intrinsically superior. That level of thinking is what defines your political outlook.

pat

August 11th, 2009
4:54 pm

We should do the typical democratic move, declare we lost and pull the troops. After all they are so far away, they can’t really hurt us. That’s an awful long swim.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
5:03 pm

Whooohoo with Democrats in charge, Mz Godzie,

Afghanistan can be three trillion in debt but everybody will have health care if they aren’t already dead. Those who are not dead can have counseling about how they can die. Afghans may call their protectors “stupid”. Drug cartels will soon be out of business because there will be no laws against drugs so every citizen is in a state of stuporous bliss (Right, getalife?) Food stamps will be given to all and jobs for every person only there will be no food and no jobs. There will be a stimulus for automobiles, as soon as the plants are built. The anti-war protestors will teach the Afghans how to protest their protectors.

Yes, mam, all we and the Afghans need is to have Democrats in charge. Change! Oh yes. Change…….downhill……

RW-(the original)

August 11th, 2009
5:09 pm

We know, in rough terms, the answer to the second question. Afghanistan must not again become a refuge for al-Qaida terrorists plotting attacks against the United States and its allies;

Well sure, but that should apply to anywhere. Good thing we stopped the Boogie to Baghdad plan in it’s tracks.

DoggoneGA

August 11th, 2009
5:14 pm

“Any central government will have to recognize tribal loyalties.”

THEY already know that. It’s US that needs to learn it.

Tom

August 11th, 2009
5:20 pm

How absurd all this is. The “troops” are there for one purpose – to die. The little “outposts” created are senseless. Surrounded forever by those who rightfully despise us. Just waiting, watching, taking their time to observe the attrition of the American arrogant fools. The little “battles” are senseless & useless and meaningless. A waste. There is nothing to “win” and no way to win it. Mountains. Tough, surviving people. Another of Missing-Link BushDrunk’s and his ignorant followrs’ ideas.
And Obama is stuck w this putridity. If you think Iraq has been a mighty “success,” you’re gonna love the outcome in Afghanistan. Praise Geesussah & Murcuh!! Duh.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 11th, 2009
5:23 pm

Craigslist ad-

TALENTED LEADERS needed to work for health care reform $11-16/hour

You libs have to pay people to be on your side?

hahahahahaha, oh my.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
5:26 pm

RW(the original) 5:09

You said “Well, sure, but that should apply to anywhere Good thing we stopped the Boogie to Baghdad plan in it’s tracks.” Absolutely!

Yes, sir, we did stop Iraq from becoming a refuge for al-Quida terrorists plotting attacks against the United States and its allies. And I might add BUSH DID IT!

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
5:27 pm

I think we should ask the British first and then the Russians what they think about invading Afghanistan. Friends, our involvement in Afghanistan is nothing but a thinly-veiled attempt to assure that oil from the Caspian Sea region can flow to the West.

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:28 pm

GEORGE AMERICAN: If you had half a brain you would know that mountain fighting removes any superiority our Armed Forces have over the Taliban.

The Taliban are very good at hiding under rocks…as are most politicians, but that’s just me.

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:31 pm

Dusty, sorry doll, Bush did it all right. But have you been paying attention to the renewed bombing in Iraq. I’ve said this before that our presence there is forestalling the inevitable. When we leave, it will be civil war. This is going to happen unless you want to keep our troops there forever. I don’t.

They used to call Crazy Joe now they call me the batman!

August 11th, 2009
5:32 pm

What the heck is wrong with that Dusty person? Has he/she started drinking already? Gadalf, you can not count, (why am I not surprised?) — little mike, it seems you are the person who’s filled with double standards; sadly though, you cant see your own faults because of that big ole stupid sign that’s plastered to your forehead. I can’t recall who said this: “Sit back, and be ready to puke at your clown of a “leader” when done”, however we’ve already gotten a real good laugh off of George W. Bush…….I was real sorry to see him leave the whitehouse; I had some really good “who’s dumber Dumbya or a rock” jokes that I hadn’t used yet. If we’re lucky, maybe his baby brother will run in 2012 and I can bring them out again!!!

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:32 pm

SOOTHSAYER: Right on! You live up to your name.

@@

August 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

You Anti-Bush’s War protesters were screaming for a war in Afghanistan.

You now have what you were screaming for.

Obama’s got this one. OR…

this one will have Obama.

Pogo

August 11th, 2009
5:38 pm

So, it was all anti-Bush rhetoric when you and the other liberal dinos here kept saying get out of Iraq and that the surge wouldn’t work, right Jay? That is pretty much what you are saying by this piece because our soldiers are dying almost on a daily basis in Afghanistan but now that Obama is in it is, “let’s give it a chance”. Your man can’t be wrong can he Jay? You are as full of FM as a christmas goose. You should really be ashamed.

DoggoneGA

August 11th, 2009
5:38 pm

“Yes, sir, we did stop Iraq from becoming a refuge for al-Quida terrorists plotting attacks against the United States and its allies”

Well yeah…it’s easy to stop something that NEVER WAS, now isn’t it? And it only cost us 4000+ and counting lives to do it too. Now THAT’S success.

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:39 pm

DUSTY: Got your request about Josef, consider it donee…jus’ saying…

Bud Wiser

August 11th, 2009
5:42 pm

Mrs G, you could have stopped a little shorter on your previous proclamation, and not only been entirely truthful, but totally accurate as well.

What you said – “…With the democrats in charge, there is a lot less reason to be skeptical. (and with good reason…….”

What you should have said – …”With the democrats in charge, there is a lot less reason …”

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
5:46 pm

When the Russians invaded Afghanistan, we supplied the Mujahadeen with Stinger missles. This devastated the Russians because their standard mode of transport was the helicopter which was completely defenseless against Stinger missiles. Every time they took off they knew it was a suicide mission.

As we have painfully learned in Iraq and now Afghanistan, these people don’t need Superpowers anymore. IEDs do the trick just fine. I tell you after seeing some of those boys after getting hit with one of those it’s not pretty.

Getting rid of the Taliban is akin to “stomping out ants” before you know it they’re all up and down your legs stinging the **** out of you.

Let’s say we get Bin Laden. What then? Do you really think rest of these guys are going to want to have a line dance with us? Get real! This is an exercise in futility!

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:47 pm

@@ : Afghanistan should have been first priority. Bush should have been the leader he thought he was and hunted down the man the wounded us so grievously and killed him. Then he could have come to us about Iraq and it would have been handed to him on a platter by a grateful and proud nation. But HE DIDN’T!

Now President Obama has the helm. Whether he succeeds or not remains to be seen. I just hope that this President listens to his Generals and not to somebody who has never seen a war except in the movies.

Normal

August 11th, 2009
5:48 pm

BUD…Droll, very droll…

j$

August 11th, 2009
5:49 pm

yes, the dems are in charge now.

Bet you didn’t know obama had a part in Lost in Space as IDAK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOGA88yGJBQ

RW-(the original)

August 11th, 2009
5:50 pm

Normal,

Tell josef that his boycott of a computer program that handles moderation and one that Jay has very little control of is a tad silly on it’s face but it’s made meaningless if he’s just going to converse here through you.

In other words tell him to get back on here.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
5:51 pm

Normal,

Soothsayer has repeated that”it’s oil” line so many time it is getting rusty. Please qive him a few squirts of 10W40.

Yep, Normal, there have been some bombing incidents in Iraq.. If they keep up, Iraq may have as many people murdered as Atlanta or is it New Orleans now. If the news people ever reported any good news, we might know what freedom means to them. It comes with human nature, Normal. They want freedom just like every other human being.

OH ..tell batman (as soon as they remove his straight jacket) that I don’t drink. And he has a great idea, Jeff Bush for President. Sounds great, Smart, knows how to govern and has a Hispanic wife. Yep, he’s the man. Great Idea!! Jeff Bush for President. Sarah Palin Vice President. (You can chuckle but Joe Biden makes me laugh. He’s good for something.)

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:02 pm

@@

August 11th, 2009
6:02 pm

Normal:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….there was a good reason Bush didn’t linger in Afghanistan and Barack Obama is about to find out the hard way, why that was.

Bin Laden is in PAKISTAN!!!!!!

The Pakistanis, btw, are doin’ a helluva job.

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:03 pm

Kamchak

August 11th, 2009
6:04 pm

In other words tell him to get back on here.

Testify, brother. Can I get an AMEN?

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:06 pm

Afghanistan + Oil = “Crusade against Terrorism”

Afghanistan could be more important to America’s oil supply than even Saudi Arabia. In 1997 BBC News reported that the American Oil company UNOCAL tried to construct a pipeline from The Caspian Sea.

The Caspian Sea is a California-size body of salt water — the world’s largest landlocked body of water — that may sit on as much as 200 billion barrels of oil, which would be 16 percent of the Earth’s potential oil reserves. Even at today’s low prices, that could add up to $3 trillion in oil. (compared to Saudi’s 250 billion barrels of oil and America’s own 22 billion barrels – New York Times.)

The pipeline was to run from Turkmenistan via Afghanistan to the Port of Karachi. However the Taleban refused. Until now America has not been successful in persuading the Taleban to change its mind.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 11th, 2009
6:06 pm

The White House said time and again that they weren’t pre-screening audience members. Then the woman turned to the crowd and said coyly, “He winked at me.” And that was from one of the only “skeptics” in the room.-ABC

Rent A Stooges.

Northern Songs LTD

August 11th, 2009
6:08 pm

Who is “Jeff” Bush??

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:08 pm

Bud Wiser

August 11th, 2009
6:11 pm

OK, abnormal – what do you have to say about this?

KABUL – U.S. and NATO deaths from roadside and suicide bomb blasts in Afghanistan soared six-fold in July compared with the same month last year, as militants detonated the highest number of bombs of the eight-year war, figures released Tuesday showed.

Three U.S. Marines and a Polish soldier died in the latest attacks, setting August on course to surpass the record 75 deaths U.S. and NATO troops suffered from all causes in July.

Chew on that one, cracker chaser, I’m too busy to lecture the ignorant on the stupidity of their idol worship any more this evening; I have a softball (slow pitch, of course) game to pitch tonight, and its gonna be a hot one.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
6:12 pm

Normal,

Osama ben laden has been holed up longer than a zoo bear in hibernation. He growls now and then but that’s about it. He is ineffectual and our troops did it. Then our troops freed Iraq from being a centerpice in the Middle East for terrorists.

What we have now is the Taliban, their own little set of fundamentalist Muslim Paki terrorists wanting to rule Afghanistan again.. I don’t doubt that Drug cartels and producers are backing the Taliban just as they back the revolutionaries in South America and now the bloody battle in Mexico.

That is bad news all around and I see no happy ending. Bush cleaned up Afghanistan but they are destitue in so many ways and fell back into drug support. I don’t think Afghans want the Taliban anymore than the people of Swat Valley did. They found out the hard way about the Taliban. Maybe Afghans will remember what they seem to forget or maybe they just get hungry.

Later…dinner time..

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:17 pm

AmVet

August 11th, 2009
6:17 pm

Alas the poor Afghan people! Not a “conservative” in sight bleating on their behalf.

I guess the conned gave all of their faux concern to the Iraqi people.

So all of this war on terror bullsh_t and insanity is set in motion by an incompetent idiot asleep at the switch who disregarded direct information of an imminent attack of loaded airplanes into buildings? And all of this accomplished by a ragtag band of stone age thugs.

You’d think these never-served, never-will chickenhawks who are crying from under their beds were petrified of another bloody Third Reich Wehrmacht instead.

Jesus H. Christ, grow a a pair Republicans. (BTW does anyone know what the H stands for?)

Or better yet, do your part and go sign up…

@@

August 11th, 2009
6:20 pm

and Normal? After the countless number of AQ insurgents taken out in Iraq, Obama is about to open up his own little recruiting office to replace them for Bin Laden….

right there in the war of the liberals’ choosing. The war they preferred.

Soothsayer

August 11th, 2009
6:21 pm

Northern Songs LTD

August 11th, 2009
6:24 pm

AmVet: In my house, it was “Holy”. oftentimes the Dad shortened it to “Holy Christ” whenever my brother or I did something stupid, which was a common occurrence.

AmVet

August 11th, 2009
6:25 pm

Northern Songs LTD, thanks.

Somehow Hank didn’t seem right…

DoggoneGA

August 11th, 2009
6:34 pm

“(BTW does anyone know what the H stands for?)”

According to a cousin of mine, it stands for Howard. When she was tiny, only about 3 year old, she learned to say the Lord’s Prayer:

“Our Father, who arp in Heaven
Howard be thy name”

jconservative

August 11th, 2009
6:44 pm

“ What experience and history teach is this: that peoples and governments have never learned anything from history. “ Hegel

Bad news guys. Everybody who has tried to win in Afghanistan has failed. There are no exceptions. The US in 2009 – 2??? will not be the exception.

It is not going to happen!

We went in to get Bin Laden & failed. Since we did not get him, we need to get out. You want to try to get him again & then get out? OK, I can live with that. But trying to build a quasi democratic State in a 13th century feudal society is just plain stupid.

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
6:47 pm

Jeff Bush for President?

Please tell me that there’s not another Bush out there. Damn. There is nothing left for another one to destroy.

AmVet

August 11th, 2009
6:48 pm

Get back Jo Jo!

My pal Dave just called and said he’s got an extra couple of tickets to see Sir Paul in Piedmont Park!

I’ve never seen a Beatle before! (live or dead!) Woo Hoo! Baby I’m amazed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7YlEywVWvM

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
6:57 pm

Newly released emails from the House Judiciary Committee show Bush staffers Scott Jennings and Jane Cherry poking fun at one another in the wake of a Washington Post article revealing the political firing of U.S. Attorneys.

In one instance, Jennings claimed he simply “followed orders,” which prompted Cherry to ask: “Isn’t that what the Nazis claimed?”

Ewewwww. They knew they were good little Nazis and they did nothing about it. Ewwwwwww.

mike

August 11th, 2009
6:58 pm

AmVet –

Stop calling Obama, Biden and Jay chickenhawks (or people who advocate military action, yet never served). That is a pejorative term.

j$

August 11th, 2009
7:07 pm

As to Jay’s two questions:

special ops with predators.

1. Root out Taliban/Al-qaeda
2. Root out Taliban/Al-qaeda

torch the poppy fields and taliban strong holds.

don’t need to go old school unless you’re ready to get medieval. let the bodies hit the floor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_w14gMNfmA

AmVet

August 11th, 2009
7:09 pm

mike, don’t take it personally, chickenhawk…

stands for decibels

August 11th, 2009
7:42 pm

the American military seems prepared to ask for another year to see what might be possible in that country. Given the circumstances, it’s a reasonable request.

Well, it’s a couple of Friedman Units. I guess that’s not so much.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
7:42 pm

Good ol’ AmVet .@6:17

Always ready to undermine America and then later tell us how great it is. Listen to this crackpot talk about 9/11: He isn’t satified with little lies. It has to be the biggest, phoniest, most make believe lie he can find and it has to be aimed at Bush.

It goes like this:about Bush and 9/11: “an incompetent idiot asleep at the switch who disregarded direct information of an immenint attack of loaded airplanes into buildings.”

Yeah, sure. That rates about as true as saying FDR knew in advance about Pearl Harbor. A bunch of pure untrue loathings perpetuated by those filled with hate for anyone on whom they can unload their vitriol . and AmVet does it so often.

I hope he does go to hear one of the Beatles. He surely does need something, anything, to clear his mind.

Also, Osama is not a rag tag thug from Afghanistan. He is a very rich Saudi, an al Queida terrorist, who is now hiding in a cave believed to be in Pakistan. He may be using the Taliban but he is not considered one of them. He has claimed credit for the events of 9/11 with his extended terrorist group.

stands for decibels

August 11th, 2009
7:46 pm

electrician

August 11th, 2009
7:47 pm

j$ yep.. a massive spraying of roundup on those poppy fields would sure knock a hole in bank account thats hleping fund the opposition.

electrician

August 11th, 2009
7:48 pm

wow no spell check

mike

August 11th, 2009
7:49 pm

AmVet –

Actually I am guessing that you are just lying about your service to give you an excuse to attack people for not sharing your views. No real serviceman would be so pathetic as to use his services as an excuse to tell people to not express their views.

You never served a day and you are a fraud.

Kamchak

August 11th, 2009
7:51 pm

DB

Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Jose Feliciano and Roy Orbison all could see this coming

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 11th, 2009
7:54 pm

Trinkets that stick it to Obama start to sell, Cashing in on ‘No, he can’t’

Even Biden is now worried about his good name.

hahahahahaha, stooges.

Normal

August 11th, 2009
8:10 pm

@@ Prove to me Bin Laden is in Pakistan. When Bush was around we knew he was in Tora Bora, Afghanistan. And I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut, he still is. Bin Laden head is the only thing that will make AQ and the Taliban stand up and take notice. Bush never should have given up on him. That was a bad mistake.

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
8:10 pm

Great news — yet another major company has acted in response to our campaign calling on Glenn Beck’s advertisers to stop supporting his show. GEICO told us that they will no longer run ads during Beck’s show.

This comes on the heels of news last week that four other advertisers — Lawyers.com, Progressive Insurance, Procter & Gamble, and SC Johnson — also distanced themselves from Beck. None of this would have been possible without the thousands of people — more than 75,000, now — who have taken action and signed our petition to Glenn Beck’s advertisers. – James Rucker

Poor Glenn. Maybe he can get a spot on talk radio after Hannity or Boortz or Limbaugh or one of those other Republican bobble heads.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 11th, 2009
8:12 pm

Well, I sometimes have a hard time figuring out what Bookman’s saying. He’s kind of on the brainy side. Good thing we got somebody that ain’t so brainy to sort of hint at what he’s saying. Yes, I’m mighty grateful to Sister Dusty for putting things in a way a third grader could understand. She thinks like alot of us rednecks and she ain’t got a bunch of 10 dollar words in her head. Between her and mike I can sort of keep up. Like I always say, everybody can’t be a Norman Einstein.

So I don’t even mind if they take a dig at me once in a while. Have a good night everybody.

mike

August 11th, 2009
8:14 pm

Redneck Convert –

Thanks for your bigotry. Do you do blackface impressions too? How far does your hateful intolerance extend?

Normal

August 11th, 2009
8:15 pm

Dusty, you are going to have to explain to me sometime why you think George W. Bush walks on water. I certainly don’t get it. Your intelligence shines through in your blogs all the time, so I really don’t understand how you feel when most of the free world feels differently about him. I’m your friend. Tell me.

AmVet

August 11th, 2009
8:29 pm

Wanna see my etchings? Ooops! I meant my DD214! (Silly me!)

(Jesus, mikey, you know I’m very bright, but even I can’t con those good people down at the VA that I’m one of you.)

You are BY FAR the neediest and most desperate troll I’ve seen on Bookman’s blog. EVER. And that is really saying something.

You just aren’t satisfied unless you get damned near everybody here to pay attention to you and your moronic musings and uninformed “guesses”, are you? At first you just seemed VERY weird and emotionally unbalanced. Demanding explanations of everyone about everything. Even JB??!! And insisiting you are the only non-partisan here. Beyond laughable.

(I attributed it to your balls killing you from straddling that fence your entire life.)

But now I suppose I am not nearly alone when I say you are a flat out pathetic one trick pony.

Take a hint, mikey, you are roundly derided and laughed at here. If you doubt me, just ask around. You’re a putz and almost nobody here gives a tinker’s damn about you and your odd ideas. Deal with it.

Not because you’re dumb. But because you consistently act like a petulent twelve year old brat. And ultimately you always make it personal.

And don’t say I didn’t warn you. I told you months ago to quit trying to be right all the time. It’s very ugly. But as is your wont, you don’t learn.

So a little advice. You need some friends (and 900 numbers do NOT count) who will fill that void and help you with your enormous reassurance issues. Or better yet, a girlfriend. (Maybe that like-minded, delusional twit Dusty has a sister…)

Happy you got some attention tonight, mike?

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
8:32 pm

Nothing like a compliment from RedNeck. It’s like a dose of cod liver oil. Suppose to be good for ya’ but has such bad taste.

But nevermind. The BRAVES are ahead 3 to 1 in the fifth. Go Braves. That’s the way to do it…GO GO GO…….

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
8:37 pm

Did AmVet say something? I thought I read something. Naw, he’s just spouting off as usual. Nothing worth mentioning.

Go Braves… love those guys….Looks like another win tonight….3 to 1…keep on going!!!!!!.

Red

August 11th, 2009
8:51 pm

Maybe instead of killing off all the white conservative ‘Christians’, we can just revoke their citizenship and ship them off to Afganistan and colonize the place; multiple problems solved. AMERICA! Love it or leave it!

Moonbats:begin.

electrician

August 11th, 2009
8:54 pm

AmVet get off the ‘NEVER SERVED ,NEVER WILL’ track,I served,my only son is in Afghanistan now,it doesn’t make you special,so quit throwing it around.

Taxpayer

August 11th, 2009
9:05 pm

Normal

August 11th, 2009
8:15 pm

If she tells you, will you share. Inquiring minds and all that, dontcha know.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 11th, 2009
9:12 pm

Take heart, democrats, the German people adored Hitler right up until their stupid, pitiful and gory annihilation at the hands of the Bolsheviks, it appears your demise will be much gentler, although comparably disgusting, coming soon to a voting booth near you.

ew

But with this total and devastating defeat, a new America will arise, full of, um, hope and change.

hahahahahahahahaha

We shall be rid of you for good.

Dusty

August 11th, 2009
9:15 pm

Dear friend Normal,

There is nothing at all to explain about Bush. I do not think he “walks on water”. I think he stands on his own two feet with a strong spine and a good honest mind. He loves this country with a passion although he’s not the kind to mention it.

I know this kind of man. They run in my family and I recognize them easily. They fight for what they believe and have served this country in the military and out of the military, in war and peace. That includes my grandfather, father, husband and son. They do what they have found to be right. Bush is the same way. So I support him.

Did he make some mistakes? Yes. Do we all make some mistakes? Yes. In my opinion, Bush made no big foolish mistakes nor did he disgrace this country. He did a fine job of protecting us and I appreciate it. Like Truman, the “world” will soon discover that Bush was one of our strongest presidents. and gave us strength when we needed him most..

Always glad to talk with friend Normal..

rubber ducky

August 11th, 2009
10:37 pm

amvet’s scary

TnGelding

August 11th, 2009
11:08 pm

Gale

August 11th, 2009
4:11 pm

Maybe we should start by coercing the farmers to grow food instead of poppies. If we can’t accomplish that is there any hope?

Let’s not forget what the current strategy is:

“Good morning,” began the President today. “Today, I am announcing a comprehensive, new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan. And this marks the conclusion of a careful policy review, led by Bruce [Reidel], that I ordered as soon as I took office.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/

TnGelding

August 12th, 2009
1:29 am

“Eastern Resolve 2″

DAHANEH, Afghanistan – Helicopter-borne U.S. Marines backed by Harrier jets stormed into a strategic Taliban-held town in southern Afghanistan before dawn Wednesday, battling to gain control of the area ahead of next week’s presidential elections.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
4:06 am

HA!!! suck on this, whiner, tf and rw:

Recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s has begun as President Barack Obama’s fiscal stimulus — derided as insufficient and budget-busting months ago — takes effect, a survey of economists indicated.

The economy will expand 2 percent or more in four straight quarters through June, the first such streak in more than four years, according to the median of 53 forecasts in the monthly Bloomberg News survey. Analysts lifted their estimate for the third quarter by 1.2 percentage points compared with July, the biggest such boost in surveys dating from May 2003.

“We’ve averted the worst, and there are clear signs the stimulus is working,” said Kenneth Goldstein, an economist at the Conference Board in New York.

- snip -

“Cash-for-clunkers was the icing on the cake,” said David Greenlaw, chief fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York. “It’s well-timed stimulus syncing with cyclical forces leading to a ramping up of production.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a7iQTrYFwTtY

TnGelding

August 12th, 2009
6:06 am

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
4:06 am

Great! Loved the -snip- !

I was thinking last night maybe they should modify the CARS program to allow it to apply to the Volt.

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
6:38 am

TnG –

you are SUCH an early riser … do you mainline coffee???

I don’t know as much about the c4c program as I do about the similar programs here, but wouldn’t it apply to the Volt since it’s so energy efficient???

Doggone/GA

August 12th, 2009
6:52 am

“but wouldn’t it apply to the Volt since it’s so energy efficient?”

It probably would if the Volt was actually in production…but it’s not. The target date is late 2010 for it to be available.

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
6:55 am

g’morning Doggone …

and did yeeeewwwwwww like the Bbg article, as well??

I know it made my day.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 12th, 2009
6:55 am

Further into the crowd another woman holding a pro-ObamaCare sign and vigorously arguing with a thirtyish man suddenly fell silent when asked who she was with. “She’s not allowed to say” sniped the disgusted young man. Her sign went up, hiding her face at the sight of a video camera. Why? “It’s not the union,” she said, although no one had asked about “the union.”-AmSpec

ACORN, Union, Post Office, law firm, what’s the difference?

Taxpayer

August 12th, 2009
6:59 am

They need to make the Volt run off table scraps. Obese folks need more table scraps.

Doggone/GA

August 12th, 2009
7:01 am

“Bbg article”

Bbg?

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
7:06 am

Doggone – the Bloomberg article I posted this morning …

was in a crap mood until I saw that … if for no other reason than to tweak whiner, tf and the like …

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
7:07 am

Taxpayer –

“Obese folks need more table scraps.”

criminey, if we’re developing a car to reduce obesity, then we need for it to have PEDALS

stands for decibels

August 12th, 2009
7:10 am

Mornin’ all. USinUK @ 4.06, that’s a good article, but if leans heavily on some pretty far-left types to make its case.

I mean, Susan Molinari? That Com-symp?

I Report/ I Am The Mob (-: You Whine )-:

August 12th, 2009
7:15 am

BSinUK- Tweaked is a good word to describe someone who is dancing in the end zone but hasn’t scored a touchdown yet, um, like you for instance.

~~~~~

“Our deficit will continue to grow because Medicare and Medicaid are on an unsustainable path. Medicare is slated to go into the red in about eight to 10 years. I don’t know if people are aware of that.-Obozo

Oh now there’s a rousing endorsement of government run health care, the only program the Feds are in charge of and it’s bankrupt.

Charge forward, democrats, headlong into morass of angry Americans, roll your mouths up to the front lines and shoot off a couple more idiocies at us.

Considering how rotten your economy is, we need the laughs.

Bwa ha ha.

USinUK

August 12th, 2009
7:23 am

whiner –

“dancing in the end zone but hasn’t scored a touchdown yet”

not dancing in the endzone, just happy to have moved the chain :-)

dB –

“leans heavily on some pretty far-left types to make its case”

Morgan Stanley is many things … a bastion of leftist liberalism isn’t one of them.