New private jets for Congress? Are you kidding?
I don’t know whose mistake this is, but as speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi will get and deserve the blame. She ought to step in right now and announce that this thing is grounded permanently. The audacity is really unbelievable.
WASHINGTON — Bipartisan opposition is emerging in the Senate to a plan by House lawmakers to spend $550 million for additional passenger jets for senior government officials.
The resistance to buying eight Gulfstream and Boeing planes comes as members of both chambers of Congress embark on the busiest month of the year for official overseas travel. The plan to upgrade the fleet of government jets, which was included in a broader defense-funding bill, has also sparked criticism from the Pentagon, which has said it doesn’t need half of the new jets.
“The whole thing kind of makes me sick to my stomach,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.) in an interview Sunday. “It is evidence that some of the cynicism about Washington is well placed — that people get out of touch and they spend money like it’s Monopoly money.”
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Gale
August 10th, 2009
4:16 pm
It’s hard to believe this one ever got to the public ear. I can believe some idiot proposing this. But really, just because they are talking billions and trillions these days, did someone really think the public wouldn’t notice this?
USinUK
August 10th, 2009
4:16 pm
Okay, Jay … under the heading “You Can’t Make ^%$£%&* Like this Up” …
the anti-healthcare demonstrator who was “attacked” (the jury is still out) in St. Louis while he was handing out “don’t tread on me” flags is now soliciting donations for his medical bills:
“Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance.”
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/7C2B91CFCB7B4D398625760D0008E6EA?OpenDocument
ladies and gentlemen, Irony has left the building …
booger
August 10th, 2009
4:28 pm
Jay finally got the opportunity to critize the democratic congress. There will no doubt be weeks of citing this blog as an example of his even handedness.
Mac
August 10th, 2009
4:31 pm
Yeah, but see it’s OK, because it was done by Georgia Congressmen, who were just rounding up pork for Georgia.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
4:34 pm
Jay,
According to Roll Call, our Reps. Sanford Bishop-D and Jack Kingston-R are two names mentioned for the requests although, according to this article, Kingston denies requesting the funding.
http://www.rollcall.com/media/37552-1.html
I had heard before that the two of them were involved because Gulfstream is located in their area and are campaign donors too.
Class of '98
August 10th, 2009
4:37 pm
C’mon, Jay. You’re not trying hard enough. There HAS to be some way to blame this on Bush and/or Rush. Isn’t there? You can do it. Try harder.
thomas
August 10th, 2009
4:41 pm
But yet you could not find one instance of waste in the stimulus plan?
This is no more wasteful than some of those programs. But I know you have your agenda, and that did not fit into it.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 10th, 2009
4:42 pm
Well, all the guys with kids were excited about the first day of school. And that goes double for the ones with kids starting the 1st grade. They done their best not to spoil the suprize that those little squiggles that show up on signs and stuff really stand for sounds. The first book their kid will ever see will be today. So the parents can say to the teachers, Here he is. His head is empty. Just pour the learning in till he’s full. If you don’t do the job, we’d hate to have to use NCLB on you because that would mean the furloughs we give you to start the year are just a taste of what you’re going to get. And don’t go giving tests and homework to ruin a good NASCAR or football weekend, neither.
Anyhow, I reckon Congress needs all the new jets so they can take their famblys with them on their overseas trips. They call it fact-finding. Me, I call it boondoggling. But I reckon I wouldn’t complain none if my boss down at the warehouse give us all new Cadillacs so we could visit all the bars we stock and see if everything’s going all right.
Have a good night everybody.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
4:44 pm
Maybe they can bomb our enemies with them, now that we don’t have enough F22’s?
Wait a minute, Nasty Pelosi and crew is the enemy.
never mind.
Chris Salzmann
August 10th, 2009
4:46 pm
thomas August 10th, 2009 4:08 pm WROTE: Except for the one about IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE YOU CAN KEEP IT. That is only true if every single thing in the plan stays the exact same. If anything changes then a person in washington decides, not the consumer, if the plan is still acceptable.
CHRIS WRITES: Wrong again. The Bill states that, after a 5 year period, all NEW health insurance plans offered to the public, privately or through employers, will need to meet a minimum standard. So, if your NEW employer already has an EXISTING health insurance plan that meets or exceeds these minimums, you’re doing great and can enroll in that plan. However, if your NEW employer has an existing plan that does NOT meet the minimum care requirements, then you will have to shift to a Federal plan. Employers or Insurance companies will no longer be able to offer sub-standard plans that don’t take into account preventive care, pre-existing conditions, etc. So, how is this bad for anyone?
So please, read the Bill or go to http://www.factcheck.org to get some unbiased answers.
Chris Salzmann
August 10th, 2009
4:47 pm
New jets for Congress? Take some of the used ones sitting around in the government inventory. This needs to be, pardon the phrase, “shot down”.
DebbieDoRight
August 10th, 2009
4:48 pm
Well, I guess being an even handed middle of the road journalist is not enough these days. You mention something that’s wrong with the system, (a system that has both dems and repubs in it); and people get angry that you even bring it up – start accusing you of being partisan and questioning your allegiance to intelligent jouranlism. I guess, they really don’t wanna hear the truth.
Next time you do a column Jay, why not just bring up things like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, it seems more people are enamored with make-believe and just can’t handle the truth. Let them get all their news from the National Enquirer. At least there they can understand the pictures even if they can’t understand the words.
AmVet
August 10th, 2009
4:49 pm
98, aren’t you the one who contends George Bush never told a single solitary lie in his entire two terms?
No deception? No duplicity?
Man, there goes someone’s credibility…
getalife
August 10th, 2009
4:49 pm
It’s a rep. from GA. Kingston’s earmark.
thomas
August 10th, 2009
4:49 pm
Chris again since you want to post on multiple blogs.
You proved my point even if YOU like your insurance, YOU do not get to keep it if teh gov. says it ain’t good.
Even if YOU like YOUR insurance.
But thanks for proving my point, that THEY lied by saying that.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
4:57 pm
Chris and Thomas,
May I ask, if you don’t mind of course, can you take that argument downstairs. I know people are passionate on both sides of the health care debate. But, I’m getting tired of the entire thing. Neither side has a chance of swaying people. I see both sides as entrenched and firm in their beliefs. This is one topic that we all have to agree to disagree on, and that’s why I avoided that topic.
I’m not trying to offend either of you, but I’m just tired of that debate.
Chris Salzmann
August 10th, 2009
5:01 pm
thomas August 10th, 2009 4:49 pm SAID: Chris again since you want to post on multiple blogs.
You proved my point even if YOU like your insurance, YOU do not get to keep it if teh gov. says it ain’t good. Even if YOU like YOUR insurance. But thanks for proving my point, that THEY lied by saying that.
CHRIS SAYS: Yeah, ff you like your CRAPPY and SUB-STANDARD health insurance policy, you DON’T get to keep it. I guess only YOU seem to have a problem with that, right? Gotcha!
BTW, I’m insurance licensed among which is a life and health insurance license, so I know what I’m talking about. You obviously don’t have a freaking clue.
But hey, I’ll argue that we should have a “too ignorant to know better” clause in this reform bill, where people like you should be allowed to be taken for a ride by insurance companies. After all, ignorance must be such bliss. Are you sure your other name isn’t “Joe the Plumber”?
George American
August 10th, 2009
5:02 pm
No doubt this is the work of the three stooges – Pelosi Reid and Frank. Maybe one of the limousine liberals form New York though he was entitled to it too.
Chris Salzmann
August 10th, 2009
5:03 pm
Angry Black Man August 10th, 2009 4:57 pm SAID: Chris and Thomas,
May I ask, if you don’t mind of course, can you take that argument downstairs. I know people are passionate on both sides of the health care debate. But, I’m getting tired of the entire thing. Neither side has a chance of swaying people. I see both sides as entrenched and firm in their beliefs. This is one topic that we all have to agree to disagree on, and that’s why I avoided that topic.
I’m not trying to offend either of you, but I’m just tired of that debate.
CHRIS SAYS: You’re right. Might as well try to talk sense to a tree.
Brad Steel
August 10th, 2009
5:04 pm
I guess they are suppose to get the same or superior privileges are their underlings in the car business.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
5:06 pm
Jay
Some of the blame needs to go to the Chmn of the committee that put the earmark into the bill. Somebody’s gotta start calling people to the floor on this. I understand that Reps want to steer work to their areas, but this is not the time for the gov’t to be Mr. Big Spender. Just shows that no matter what, it’s politics as usual in Washington. I’m looking foward to 2010 so I can work to getting rid of all incumbents.
Scooter
August 10th, 2009
5:09 pm
ABM, you tellem, I’m so mad I can’t!
Davo
August 10th, 2009
5:09 pm
Faux outrage + cut and paste journalism = Jay Bookmans column
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
5:10 pm
Chris Salzmann
August 10th, 2009
5:03 pm
LOL!!!! I didn’t mean it quite like that, but you’re right on point.
AmVet
August 10th, 2009
5:10 pm
Kingston and Sanford both need to get around on a bicycle…
35 years ago yesterday the first of the ultra-mean-little-pr!cks in the GOP resigned in disgrace.
I remember walking into my squadron building and it was on TV. I laughed out loud.
Had only the Hero of the Texas ANG the balls to do the same…
mike
August 10th, 2009
5:11 pm
Redneck Convert –
Thanks for the bigotry. Your hatefulness is a great testament to liberal “tolerance”.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
5:12 pm
Damn Davo,
Jay just can’t please you no matter what he posts, huh? If that’s the case, why do you continually come back to the blog?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 10th, 2009
5:16 pm
Well, mike, you’re welcome again. I try and be as tolerant as I can.
Huckabee 2012
August 10th, 2009
5:18 pm
Just received this email. Beautiful. I’ll be at the company picnic now that I know 60 idiots won’t be.
LETTER FROM THE BOSS
Dear employee:
As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that
Barrack Obama is our President and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices would have to increase by about 10%. But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off sixty of our employees instead. This has really been bothering me, since I believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who would have to go. So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking lots and found sixty ‘Obama’ bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided these folks will be the ones to let go. I can’t think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They voted for change…… I gave it to them.
I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.
THE BOSS
DebbieDoRight
August 10th, 2009
5:19 pm
Oh Mike PLEASE
I know you’re not calling anyone on this board a bigot!!! Yet, you conveniently don’t say anything to Whine or some of the others who have taken bigotry to a new art form!! Check out the Sotomayer op-ed and you’ll see your conservative friends true colors. HINT: It ain’t brown, red, or even blue…………..
Scooter
August 10th, 2009
5:20 pm
Once again, all you have to do is follow the money to see why bills get introduced!
Joey
August 10th, 2009
5:21 pm
Jay is just ticked because this is one more straw. The camel is beginning to stagger.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
5:23 pm
Exactly Scooter. Maybe if I hit the Mega Millions, I can buy a rep or two.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
5:33 pm
The final Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Election 2008 showed Barack Obama leading John McCain 52% to 46%. We are pleased to report that those figures precisely matched the actual election returns.
Rasmussen 8/9/2009 Obozo approval rating 49% approve 51% disapprove
Hardee har har har.
Scooter
August 10th, 2009
5:36 pm
ABM, what a waste of money! No bang for your buck.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
5:37 pm
Say, how’s that stimulus working for ya?-
More than 126,000 consumers filed for bankruptcy in the U.S. last month, 34 percent more than in July 2008, the ABI said in its latest report on Aug. 4. The increase came after a 36.5 percent rise in personal bankruptcies nationwide in the first six months, to 675,351, according to the ABI research group, which interprets data collected by the National Bankruptcy Research Center.
ew
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
5:42 pm
Scooter
Maybe that’s what they mean by “special interest” groups. They must get a special interest rate on the donations when they’re deposited. I think I’d be better off taking lottery winnings to a strip club. At least I’d get some enjoyment from the money spent.
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
5:43 pm
I try and be as tolerant as I can.
I commend you for your civility, Redneck.
DebbieDoRight
August 10th, 2009
5:45 pm
It seems to me that the US is getting ready to implode. We have far-righters, far-lefters, and they are continually in a battle for the souls of americans but all they’re doing is polarizing the country. We’ve drawn lines and double-dared anyone with a differing opinion to cross. I had asked myself when did we become such a bitter, hate-filled, arrogant people; who’d rather be heard than be correct? It came to me when this happened:
December 12, 2000. The case that resolved the 2000 presidential election in favor of George W. Bush; by the United States Supreme Court.
We’ve been bickering, heckling, yelling and tearing each other down ever since. Where are all of the “middle of the roaders” at? Where are the moderates and independents? Maybe with them, we can get this country back in the business of doing the people’s business.
Pogo
August 10th, 2009
5:45 pm
Exactly why does this bother you so much Jay when everything else the people in control (your people) are doing up there doesn’t? The money for these planes is chump change compared to the billions and billions that are being thrown away daily on the “stimulus” and that could be thrown away on this Health Care thing and this Climate Change package? Could it be that your animosity towards this is because you inherently know, as a good progressive, the right populist chord to strike with the “ignorant” public? And mean-while, you conveniently leave the real truth about the really destructive issues in the dark (such as those aforementioned) for you and your kind to push on an un-aware or on an uncaring public? I don’t come here much anymore because it is full of predictability from both you and your sad band of followers. The Liberal Lap Dogs (LLD’s) here are pathetically cliche. I have to say, as an outside looking and who is absolutely disallusioned with both political parties, with the exception of a few of the bloggers here, the conservatives win hands down as far as actually putting thought into their comments. The LLD’s spout the same old tired “Bush did this, Bush did that” rhetoric and they are incapable of actually looking objectively at what their leaders (Obama, Pelosi and Read), who are now and have been totally in control, are trying to do to this country. That is wearing very thin very fast with the American public. Un-American indeed. If Pelosi wants to see un-American, she only needs to look as far as her own mirror.
Scooter
August 10th, 2009
5:46 pm
ABM, let me know if you win the Lotto. I’ll go with you!
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
5:47 pm
More than 126,000 consumers filed for bankruptcy in the U.S. last month
Dang Republicans. Always going for the easy way out of the binds that they manage to get themselves into. I thought Bush fixed that problem with his “consumer protection act”. I guess he must have overlooked some little loophole.
Michael
August 10th, 2009
5:52 pm
And they berated the 3 CEO’s that represented the working class – the US Automobile Industry- about their jets.
Kamchak
August 10th, 2009
5:54 pm
Taxpayer
I know you told mom to get me a IBM PC–but an 80286 running on MS-DOS 3.3? This time you have gone too far.
Scooter
August 10th, 2009
5:55 pm
Dang Pogo, what blog do you visit that makes you happy?
electrician
August 10th, 2009
6:08 pm
DebbieDoRight 5;45 I think you hit it,looking at all these postings over the last few weeks proves that we are at a complete standoff with plenty of hate to go around, just the same stuff over and over,day after day. we have turned into a bunch of angry americans,this is my first post in a few days,I am tired of it,gonna play grand tourismo 5 with my grandsons now.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
6:09 pm
Well, I’m sure Gulfstream and its employees would beg to differ. If it comes out of the stimulus appropriation I have no objection. It would probably save money in the long run, since the older planes are going to have to be replaced eventually anyway.
The belt-tightening starts next year.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2009
6:13 pm
If the government buys a private jet doesn’t that make it a public jet?
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
6:13 pm
I know you told mom to get me a IBM PC–but an 80286 running on MS-DOS 3.3? This time you have gone too far.
Ouch! Dang, this talk brings back some memories. I remember way back when we got our first HP 10 MByte hard drive to hook up to our PC at work. The hard drive was about three foot long by six inches wide by three foot tall. My new PC has a 640 GByte hard drive. Times have sure changed.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
6:15 pm
Scooter
I’ll let you know. It will probably be all over the news though. “One Man Stimulus Package”, a Channel 2 Exclusive at 6′o clock.
electrician
Do like me, I avoid the topics that I know are going to be heated. I’ve gotten a headache from the health care debate. When I hear it on tv, I change the channel. Sometimes, I wish I still had my subscription to the Playboy Channel. But all is not lost, football season is around the corner. Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
6:16 pm
DebbieDoRight
August 10th, 2009
5:45 pm
It’s nothing new. It’s the American way since our inception.
“It is true that George W. Bush divides America. But so did Bill Clinton. So would have a President Gore if his voters only understood that pesky butterfly ballot.” (From Jonah Goldberg, no less.)
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200402051231.asp
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
6:21 pm
I Report/ I Am The Mob
You Whine 
August 10th, 2009
5:33 pm
Laugh while you can. I’m sure those filing for bankruptcy you cited below are laughing with you. Everyone knew it would take a miracle worker to clean up this mess. The best way to remain popular is to not rock the boat, and it was nearly overturned when he was sworn in.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
6:29 pm
George American
August 10th, 2009
5:02 pm
Actually it was a GA congressman. Gulfstream is in his district.
“According to Appropriations panel spokesman Brachman, members of Congress have been responsible for just one in seven of the flights, with Pentagon brass, White House officials and other Cabinet executives taking up the rest.”
“The planes are made in Georgia by Gulfstream, a subsidiary of General Dynamics. Rep. Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., wrote the Appropriations panel to request $70 million for one of the planes. But the panel did not report this under disclosure rules since Congress was simply expanding an existing program.”
The committee saw a need for more. I don’t see how they do all the travel they do and stay sane. Maybe that’s part of the problem, they aren’t.
@@
August 10th, 2009
6:33 pm
No doubt it was a critical, urgent, dire need, jay.
Flyin’ us to “the moon”.
DebbieDoRight
August 10th, 2009
6:49 pm
TnGelding: In my classes at law school; we’re told to study the stylings of Phyllis Schafley and to learn from her an art of debate. Schafley, as you know was a strong opponent to ERA and went up against some tough ladies in debates and forums concerning the ratification of the ammendment. The debates always started out semi-civil with Schafley on one side and some cute perky feminist on the other; however, by the end of the debate Schafley had turned the feminist into a raving, ranting, slobbering, shrill lunatic! She did this by oversimplifying, lieing and contorting the truth; because Schafley wasn’t bogged down by the need to be correct or accurate; her main weapon was to make the other person look like a fool, or a shrill, lonely woman; thereby exemplifying her case that feminism made women irrational, hard, and unstable.
She was a brilliant woman AND she helped to defeat ERA. I look around now and I see that the republicans have picked up her strategy and are using it effectively.
Here’s her bio: In a ten-year battle, Mrs. Schlafly led the pro-family movement to victory over the principal legislative goal of the radical feminists, called the Equal Rights Amendment. An articulate and successful opponent of the radical feminist movement, she appears in debate on college campuses more frequently than any other conservative. By the time Schlafly began campaigning in 1972, the amendment had already been ratified by 30 of the necessary 38 states. However, Schlafly was successful in organizing a grassroots campaign to oppose further states’ ratifications.
Critics of Schlafly have emphasized an apparent contradiction between her advocacy against the ERA and her role as a working professional. Feminist activist Gloria Steinem and author Pia de Solenni, among others, have noted what they consider irony in Schlafly’s role as an advocate for the full-time mother and wife, while being herself a lawyer, editor of a monthly newsletter, regular speaker at anti-liberal rallies, and political activist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
6:53 pm
TN- It’s worse than that. Obozo is a deeply stupid person-
Obama Says Immigration Reform Effort to Begin This Year
You’re fixing to see the bottom come out from under this m*$#@!&^%.
@@
August 10th, 2009
6:58 pm
Dang! They’re warning of a violent revolt in Afghanistan should Karzai win the election.
Good luck to Dr. Abdullah.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
7:07 pm
I Report/ I Am The Mob
You Whine 
August 10th, 2009
6:53 pm
Bring it on! All these issues have been used for political advantage for too long. Might as well take them on and get them resolved, even if it does go against the grain with the majority. That’s what real leaders do.
Kamchak
August 10th, 2009
7:08 pm
One of the reasons that members of congress need money is that they must maintain two residences–one in Washington and the other in their home state/district. This need makes them vulnerable to the temptations of the deep pockets of lobbyists. I say build dormitories owned by us, the taxpayers. Living together in close proximity might teach them to get along, and the money they save in not having to maintain a residence in D.C. they can use to fly coach on commercial airlines.
NRB
August 10th, 2009
7:11 pm
“New jets for Congress? Take some of the used ones sitting around in the government inventory. This needs to be, pardon the phrase, “shot down”.
——————
Can we at least wait until they’re up in the air? And before the “health bill” goes to vote?
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
7:12 pm
Hot Damn!! I just got included in on a conference call with Lynn Westmoreland
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
7:15 pm
All these issues have been used for political advantage for too long.
TN- You don’t remember the can of whoopas-s opened on you over immigration, what, two years ago?
If you want it again that bad, we’ll oblige you.
Sunshine and Thunder
August 10th, 2009
7:16 pm
Jay’s mad about democrats spending money? Where’s he been?
@@
August 10th, 2009
7:24 pm
So what did you guys talk about, ABM?
Kayaker 71
August 10th, 2009
7:27 pm
Went all the way to Mexico and didn’t even mention the immigration problem which is costing the American public countless billions. Has to “wait until 2010″. Is it any wonder than any sane person distrusts this clown?
nowretired
August 10th, 2009
7:39 pm
Not surprised bankrupties are up – unemployment is up which means a bunch of people lost their employer paid insurance & now must go on the public take. You taxpayers & owners of insurance policies will, no doubt, be more than happy to pay the hospitals & doctors.
See, there is nothing wrong with our present system of universal medical care. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Bud Wiser
August 10th, 2009
7:41 pm
I see the idiot left section is back on the “it’s all Bush’s fault” scenario.
If you people weren’t so terminally stupid as to be locked down deep in the past, I would pity you.
But I don’t.
Your stooge’s approval ratings are dropping like a bowling ball over Niagara Falls. (Somehow that statement evoked a visualization of Lisa Myers-NBC, going over the falls on a barge…the only device large and strong enough to support that carcass, but I digress)
You can’t pity ignorant people who live in the past for their sustenance, and cannot accept, much less admit, the fact that they made a grievous error in backing Obowo and his little mouthy friend for the jobs they currently hold.
Smart people learn from their mistakes. Ignorant basta**s continue to repeat them, thus we have created a succinct definition of your garden variety basic Demwitocrat voter.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
7:43 pm
@@
Most questions are on health care. Haven’t really heard anything new. He’s answering questions, but there’s no yelling…
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
7:55 pm
If you want it again that bad, we’ll oblige you.
Who’s this “we” you standin’ behind now, Oh, self-proclaimed ruler.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
7:58 pm
Here’s what Gallup found: The number of Americans who say the media have exaggerated global warming jumped to a record 41 percent in 2009, up from 35 percent a year ago. The most marked increase came among political independents, whose ranks of doubters swelled from 33 percent to 44 percent. Republican doubters grew from 59 percent to 66 percent, while Democratic skeptics stayed at around 20 percent.
What’s more, fewer Americans believe the effects of global warming have started to occur: 53 percent see signs of a hotter planet, down from 61 percent in 2008.
That’s us, TN.
Ram it through, if you can.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
8:03 pm
@@
Just finished. He mentioned that the Repubs introduced a plan right before the break, but received no publicity over it. He didn’t go into detail about it though. He made mention that they were looking at different ways to accomplish the reform. I kept hearing people ask questions about illegals. I guess they don’t realize that we pay for them whether they have insurance or not. Anchor babies are the perfect example. I just wish all politicians could just sit down and let common sense dictate the dialogue. But, that’s only in a fantasy world.
Finn McCool
August 10th, 2009
8:15 pm
At an event held by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) last week, the threat of violence led her aides to call the police after one attendee dropped a gun.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/304149
@@
August 10th, 2009
8:17 pm
ABM:
So you were on a conference call DURING a meeting? Illegals do present a problem. According to Obama they won’t be covered under the public plan so I guess we’ll still be paying for those who show up at emergency rooms. Can’t turn ‘em away…it would be inhumane. Maybe that’s why he’s delaying his immigration reform. He’s a sneaky fella, that Obama.
I was really just setting you up. I’ve met Westmoreland at social gatherings at my neighbor’s house. They’re pretty good friends. Nice enough fella as POLITICIANS go.
I was gonna tell you that next time I see him, I’d ask when was the last time he talked to an Angry Black Man?
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
8:29 pm
Here’s what Gallup found: The number of Americans who say the media have exaggerated global warming jumped to a record 41 percent in 2009, up from 35 percent a year ago.
Well, DUH! Those talking bobble heads on talk radio — you know the ones, Boortz, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, aka, the blathering b00bs — along with the likes of FOXY News (all show, no content) do nothing but exaggerate, global warming and everything else that does not conform to their distorted views.
Republican doubters grew from 59 percent to 66 percent, while Democratic skeptics stayed at around 20 percent.
Double DUH! As the last few Republicans, with any gray matter left between the ears, leave the loser party, the percentage of remaining Republican doubters (also known as flat-earthers amongst other things) naturally increases. It’s simple math, even for a Republican. The Democrats, as usual, are the more stable bunch.
evil is evil
August 10th, 2009
8:29 pm
About 1995, I worked as a temp for a for profit organization that sold necessary medical packs and high speed physician counseling for private aircraft. They had over 500 military jets under contract.
Seems every general and admiral has his own private plane. Now that is a problem.
There was a decision in the middle of the winter to revise the contents of the emergency pacts. They had to send an employee to Hawaii to insert the new items in the packs. How many military personal planes are needed in Hawaii in the winter. Apparently 120 from the number of packs of items to be put in the emergency pacts. Can anyone say “spend the winter in Hawaii at government expense.”
Eight freaking planes is a joke.
The military spends 62.5 times that amount on their “personal planes.” Government waste and fraud, start with the military.
When I was stationed in NY city in the early 70s, the major general in command had his personal plane, his personal helicopter and his personal yacht all on the taxpayer’s dime. Ignorant as a post, but married to Westmoreland’s sister.
mike
August 10th, 2009
8:34 pm
Taxpayer –
Your standard cherry picking omitted an important stat:
“The most marked increase came among political independents, whose ranks of doubters swelled from 33 percent to 44 percent.”
http://www.lvrj.com/news/52828402.html
The line was right in the middle of the two you quoted. I guess that fact was inconvenient to the argument you wanted to make so you ignored it. Apparently those evil old Republicans are not the only ones who “do nothing but exaggerate everything that does not conform to their distorted views.”
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August 10th, 2009
8:40 pm
It would appear as though they’ve changed their minds about the the numbers, at least.
WASHINGTON — House leaders are dropping plans to spend $330 million on Air Force passenger planes for use by senior government officials that were not requested by the Pentagon
Instead, the House will only seek $220 million to purchase one Gulfstream plane and three Boeing aircraft, as originally proposed by Department of Defense officials.
Jackie
August 10th, 2009
8:40 pm
@I Report/I Am The Mob
You made a judgment that President Obama “is a deeply stupid person.”
Please tell me, in you infinite wisdom, how you came to such a profound conclusion.
It is my humble opinion that you and your ilk use the words “stupid” and “lazy” as s substitute pejorative for the n-word.
What’s wrong, don’t have enough gonads to speak directly to that line of reasoning without exposing yourself for what you really are, and, the level and depth of your intelligence quotient?
mike
August 10th, 2009
8:45 pm
Jackie –
“It is my humble opinion that you and your ilk use the words “stupid” and “lazy” as s substitute pejorative for the n-word.”
1) I guess all the people who call Bush stupid and lazy were also using them as a substitute for the n-word.
2) I Report did not call Obama lazy. You were the one who introduced the word, which you apparently associate with black people.
3) While I think it is silly to call Obama stupid, the left casual labellings of any who dare disagree with Obama as racist are practicing the lowest form of debate. Let’s not forget that Bill Clinton was also accused of racism when he dared campaign against him.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
8:49 pm
Please tell me, in you infinite wisdom, how you came to such a profound conclusion.
Maybe because he’s, uh, stupid??
This retard is in Mexico, telling the tramplers of our sovereignty that he is going to hook them up with all of the freebies, he promises.
You might need a house slave, being that you are a lazy, government dependent pinko liberal but I don’t.
Mow your own lawn, deadbeat.
Angry Black Man
August 10th, 2009
8:54 pm
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It was a listen-in conference type call. Some people got to ask questions. I guess they didn’t want any questions from an Angry Black Man
!! He seems like an ok guy to me. I haven’t met him in person. However, if we end up getting screwed, regardless of who’s at fault, anyone with an “I” beside their name on the ballot is an open target in my eyes.
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
8:58 pm
“The most marked increase came among political independents, whose ranks of doubters swelled from 33 percent to 44 percent.”
You are kidding, right.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
9:01 pm
What is immigration to a liberal but an ends to not having to fuss over the common everyday responsibilities of life, are they still angry that the Republicans freed their slaves?
How dare we impugn on their new source of cheap labor, must we always ruin their self enriching bondage of the weak?
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:01 pm
Taxpayer –
What would I be kidding about? I know that you are monopoly obsessed with the views of extreme partisans: both yours and those coming from the right. Perhaps you have lost sight of the facts that independents are the ones who decide if policy gets passed or not, as the partisans predictably fall into lockstep.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:03 pm
“monopoly obsessed ”
Meant to say “myopically obsessed” but the spell-check got me.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
9:09 pm
Bud Wiser
August 10th, 2009
7:41 pm
Coming from you, I’ll consider that a compliment.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
9:10 pm
I Report/ I Am The Mob
You Whine 
August 10th, 2009
7:15 pm
Duh, wasn’t that ‘W’ that took the brunt of that? Maybe this time an acceptable plan can be legislated.
@@
August 10th, 2009
9:12 pm
ABM:
I’m a buffet voter myself. Rarely vote for an incumbent unless they’ve proven themselves worthy.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:14 pm
TnGelding –
“Maybe this time an acceptable plan can be legislated.”
What was unacceptable in your mind about the original plan that was killed by conservative opposition? The fact that Bush proposed it?
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
9:16 pm
What would I be kidding about?
So, you are NOT KIDDING. You really cannot figure out the obvious on your own. You really cannot think that one through by yourself and figure out on you own why the percentage of so-called “Independents” giving this answer increased even though we know that the Republicans that deserted their party as a result of McCain, Bush, etc., moved to the new label of “Independent”.
Now, do tell me precisely what you “know” about me, mike. I think that you know a lot less about me than you think you do, mike. Go ahead. Show me what that gray matter of yours is capable of.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
9:17 pm
I Report/ I Am The Mob
You Whine 
August 10th, 2009
8:49 pm
And your neighbors, too!
o
The Kenyasn prince is a yung rookie. Give him another year at least to mature into the job. If he hasn’t it will devour him.
Taxpayer
August 10th, 2009
9:23 pm
What is immigration to a Republican other than a cheap source of labor that requires no expensive outlay for health insurance, amongst other things. Further, when they are no longer of value, just turn on them, turn them in. Whatever. Not enough work for them, given the declines in the housing market. Even the carpet mills no longer need them. Hell, even the chicken processors no longer have the work for them and they really depend on cheap undocumented labor in order to keep those chicken wing prices affordable at Moes.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
9:35 pm
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:14 pm
I didn’t think it was fair to fine them, among other things. I think we need to limit legal immigration as well, if we want to maintain the traditions of our country. The illegals that are acting illegally need to be deported ASAP. No future court hearings to skip out on , etc. By the time this economic meltdown shakes out a good many of them will be gone anyway. But how do you keep them from returning? I don’t support the Great Wall of The USA. The employers that have knowingly hired them need to be given amnesty if they’ll get them out of the country in 90 days.
I think they deliberately looked the other way to let them in to begin with to spur economic growth.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
Taxpayer –
My “comment is awaiting moderation.” So I will post it in chunks without the link which is available on the Gallup site.
LOL. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you affix your own silly hypothesis to the poll and proclaim it as fact.
Let me destroy your argument yet again.
You claim that the 11 point swing in the opinion of Independent voters is due to people dropping their GOP affiliation to take that “new label.”
Well, this where your arch-nemesis, facts, conflict with your basless assertion.
I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
Wigging out-
“You want me to tell you what my husband thinks?” Bruno replied, clearly irked by the thought of being her husband Bill’s spokeswoman.”My husband is not secretary of state, I am,” she replied. “If you want my opinion I will tell you my opinion. I am not going to be channeling my husband.”
Aahhh, yes, Psychotics R Us.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
Taxpayer –
The Gallup organization (the same folks who performed the poll that we have been discussing) gave us this party split breakdown for Jul of this year and July of last year. This is the same time period covered by the pol we have been discussing.
JULY 2009
GOP 26%
IND 39%
DEM 33%
JULY 2008
GOP 27%
IND 35%
DEM 35%
So the GOP lost only 1 point last year, so it is not possible that the 10% swing in climate change opinion can be attributed to GOP folks switching to Independent. In short, your thesis is indisputably disproved and your snorting only makes your humiliation more complete.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:44 pm
Taxpayer –
This horrible blog software is censoring my posts for some reason.
The Gallup organization (the same folks who performed the poll that we have been discussing) gave us this party split breakdown for Jul of this year and July of last year. This is the same time period covered by the pol we have been discussing. It shows the Republicans at 27 percent in July 09 and at 26 percent in 08. The Independents picked up 4 points and the Dems lost 2.
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:44 pm
Taxpayer –
So the GOP lost only 1 point last year, so it is not possible that the 10% swing in climate change opinion can be attributed to GOP folks switching to Independent. In short, your thesis is indisputably disproved and your snorting only makes your humiliation more complete.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
mike
August 10th, 2009
9:45 pm
Taxpayer –
As for what I know about you. I know that you are an extreme and intolerant partisans who judging massive groups of people to be uniformly dumb, evil or dumb an evil. I say this not because you are a liberal. Only fools like yourself think in such black and white terms and my many liberal friends would agree. I know this about you from many specific exchanges you and I have had and your reams of posts in which your not only expose your mindless partisanship but demonstrate your pride in such base behavior.
TnGelding
August 10th, 2009
9:46 pm
Immigration review:
“I say let the prisoners pick the fruits,” said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California, one of more than a dozen Republicans who took turns condemning a Senate bill that offers an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants an opportunity for citizenship.
“Anybody that votes for an amnesty bill deserves to be branded with a scarlet letter A,” said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, referring to a guest worker provision in the Senate measure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/01/national/main1461848.shtml