It doesn’t take Stephen Hawking to figure this one out

The conservative opinion magazine Human Events was reputedly Ronald Reagan’s favorite read, and to this day fancies itself the house organ for the hard-right intelligentsia. Among those published regularly in its pages are such luminaries as Newt Gingrich and Ann Coulter.

In my email this morning is a message from Human Events regarding the health-reform debate, warning of “government-forced extermination” of unborn children, grandmothers and grandfathers:

Grandmas and Unborn Babies Face Extermination by Obama’s “Health” Care Plan

Investors Business Daily has just exposed the Achilles’ heel of Obamacare, that hostile,  socialist government takeover of your hospital, doctors, children, and grandparents.  In an editorial entitled, “How House Bill Runs Over Grandma,” the editors report how President Obama was personally confronted by a North Carolina woman asking if “everyone that’s Medicare age will be visited and told they have to decide how they wish to die.”

In response Obama joked that he hadn’t yet hired enough bureaucrats to conduct such an operation, yet he could not deny the New York Post’s discovery the House bill “compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care” (pages 425-430).  In other words, your grandmother will be told, when insufficient resources are rationed to young people, that her duty to die begins with mandatory “end-of-life counseling,” or as Obama explained, “encourage the use of living wills” that terminate otherwise salvageable lives prematurely through signed “do not resuscitate” (DNR) legal releases.”

In other words, these people have gone full-blown lunatic on us. Curious, I also looked up the Investors Business Daily editorial cited by Human Events. Published a week ago Friday, it is chock full of lies, distortions and other foolishness, such as the claim that the House bill would compel senior citizens to undergo mandatory euthanasia counseling every five years.

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But my favorite part of the editorial deals with the British health-care system, which if you believe IBD is basically condemning the old and disabled to die.

“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,” the editorial claims.

Of course, that same Stephen Hawking who wouldn’t have a chance in the United Kingdom was in fact born in the United Kingdom, has lived his entire life in the United Kingdom and lives there still today, at the ripe old age of 67. (He was in fact hospitalized earlier this month.) Hawking is, you might say, living, breathing proof that these people are first-class fools.

UPDATE: Investors Business Daily has corrected its editorial, removing all mention of Stephen Hawking. And Hawking himself has responded, telling the UK’s Guardian:

“I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

555 comments Add your comment

Brad Steel

August 10th, 2009
11:48 am

Hawking can talk the talk, be he can’t walk the walk.

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 10th, 2009
11:48 am

The AJC’s editorial board spouts plenty of lies, distortions and other foolishness, 46 million uninsured for instance, those in glass houses…..

Midori

August 10th, 2009
11:48 am

One would think, after their abysmal track record, that these losers would develop another strategy.

Pushing fear and lies is no way for stupid people to go through life.

Midori

August 10th, 2009
11:49 am

Andy,

could you please give an example of these AJC lies, distortions and other foolishness?

George American

August 10th, 2009
11:51 am

Defeat Obamacare by any means necessary!

Midori

August 10th, 2009
11:52 am

Defeat fear and ignorance by any means necessary!!

USinUK

August 10th, 2009
11:56 am

“He is, you might say, living, breathing proof that these people are first-class fools”

well, Jay, these people never let the facts get in the way of a good smear …

(and Obama is going to hunt Trig from a helicopter!!!)

Doggone/GA

August 10th, 2009
11:57 am

“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,” the editorial claims”

This will forever live in my mind as the FUNNIEST line EVER in the healthcare debate. Don’t even try, folks…this one can’t be beaten.

Midori

August 10th, 2009
11:58 am

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 10th, 2009
11:58 am

Let’s leave aside, for a moment, the estimated 47 million or so Americans who have no health insurance.-Queen Pinko, Urinal

Anything else I can help you with, diM?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 10th, 2009
11:59 am

“He is, you might say, living, breathing proof that these people are first-class fools.”

Ah, Jay, it is good to have you and your simple ruminations back. Bush BADDDD – Obumbler GOOD.

The key is the phrase ijn the formulation of the sentence and theory is, ““People such as scientist Stephen Hawking…”, which refers to hypothetical person with the same physical infirmities as Hawking rather than Hawking himself.

Hawking, by virtue of his extreme personal wealth, has access to healthcare far beyond that of most with the same physical infirmities. The article does not say rich people such as Hawking shan’t have healthcare, rather it says sick people like Hawking shan’t have healthcare – a clear, but meaningful distinction that you missed or chose to overlook in your role of a chortling prairie dog protecting the mother hole – Obumbler.

In this case, you tossed the F word a little too quickly and, hence, I must caution – ask not for whom the bell tolls.

Class of '98

August 10th, 2009
12:01 pm

Sorry pinkos, this ship is sinking. You lost this one. As Algore would say, “the debate is over” (doesn’t he sound friggin retarded when he says that?)

Anyhoo, better luck on the cap-and-tax, which none of you understand, but blindly support anyway.

Midori

August 10th, 2009
12:03 pm

http://cagle.com/working/090807/stein.jpg

Andy, Class of ‘98, George American, Wild Bill.

You guys take a great picture.

Andy @ 11:58 — let’s see what else you can pull out of your arse.

Midori

August 10th, 2009
12:04 pm

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(

August 10th, 2009
12:08 pm

Look up top^^ diM.

Sister Souljah

August 10th, 2009
12:08 pm

Again I will post again, of the 48 million “uninsured”: Subtract the millions of young healthy people who choose NOT to have health insurance in lieu of smartphones, broadband, cable, etc. Also subtract the millions who are ALREADY eligible for state medicaid but are either unwaware or too lazy to apply for it. Subtract the 12-20 illegal immigrants whose healthcare should be the responsibility of their home countries or their (illegal) employers….And the real number or “uninsured’ is around 15 million…..Still a huge number…..but talk about lies and distortions propogated by…..the government and media

N-GA

August 10th, 2009
12:09 pm

This is simply another example of how the Commandment “Thou shalt not bear false witness…” simply does not apply to right-wing conservatives.And their apologists (enablers) who post here say it must be okay because others do it (AJC?). So I assume they think that must apply to all the other Commandments as well.

Of course these supposedly eductaed people couldn’t correctly define what “Socialist” or “Socialism” really mean. The idiots don’t realize that government-provided health insurance isn’t socialized healthcare whereby Veteran’s Hospitals are a form of socialized healthcare.

But what genuinely worries me is the number of voters who believe this drivel. It simply goes hand-in-hand with the miserable quality of American schooling. That and that fear drives all of these people. Heck, fear of death makes them believe that there is life after death. The alternative frightens them into church. You would think they would actually pay more attention to obeying the Commandments. Oh yeah, I forgot that they also believe that God will forgive all those sins if you ask Him…even if you commit the sin while anticipating His forgiveness. You see, they think they are smarter than God!

ROTHLMAO…..

stands for decibels

August 10th, 2009
12:11 pm

Obama is going to hunt Trig from a BLACK helicopter!!!

FYT.

Mac

August 10th, 2009
12:11 pm

The uneducated, undereducated and just-plain-Rushannityboortzwashed in North Georgia are already stating as fact that all senior citizens will be killed under the Obama plan … “just like they do overseas in them socialist European countries.”

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 10th, 2009
12:13 pm

N-GA
August 10th, 2009
12:09 pm

Let me axes you this, has the country ever seen a more prolific liar than Obumbler?

stands for decibels

August 10th, 2009
12:13 pm

Of course these supposedly eductaed people couldn’t correctly define what “Socialist” or “Socialism” really mean.

Given that the most (supposedly) radical approach being proposed by any legislator would be a single payer plan, one would have to believe that Canada is a “Socialist State” in order to follow their twisted logic.

Paul

August 10th, 2009
12:14 pm

The part about Hawking was astounding.

This is the magazine of the ideological intelligentsia?

From down below, repeat:

Just saw a Facebook poll, “Are you in favor of a Government run health care system?”

Of course, I just had to comment:

“we already have a government-run healthcare system: Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran’s Administration…”

Joey

August 10th, 2009
12:15 pm

Jay;
Would you provide us with the text of pages 425-430 of the legislation they referenced?

Paul

August 10th, 2009
12:16 pm

Hey N-GA

[[This is simply another example of how the Commandment “Thou shalt not bear false witness…” simply does not apply]]

Practical living of the principles is such a challenge…

jconservative

August 10th, 2009
12:16 pm

I Report/ I Am The Mob :-) You Whine :-(
August 10th, 2009 11:48 am
The AJC’s editorial board spouts plenty of lies, distortions and other foolishness, 46 million uninsured for instance, those in glass houses…..

You are correct – two lies do make a truth.

George American August 10th, 2009 11:51 am
Defeat Obamacare by any means necessary!

Again, I say that the problem you guys face is not Obamacare but the 30 million retirees who will be drawing Soc Sec, Medicare, Medicaid & VA in 20 years.
I really believe you guys are targeting the wrong problem. You already know, or should know, that the House plan is dead.

Greg

August 10th, 2009
12:18 pm

It is very difficult if not impossible to have a meaningful discussion on the healthcare issues when people take the stance they have regardless of which side of the debate (if it can be called that) they are on.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 10th, 2009
12:18 pm

Well, if this Obama health care passes one day you will set down to Thanksgiving dinner and the woman of the house will put something in the center of the table. What’s this? you will ask. Then people will say all together, It’s Grandpa!

And if you’re getting on in years and you happen to walk toward a bunch of young people looking kind of hungry, best get out of there while you can.

And don’t ever let them check you in to a hospitle. There’s hearses parked in the basement just waiting for them to give you a little shot.

Anyhow, I ain’t entrusted in paying for anybody’s doctoring but my own and my kin’s. If God had of wanted everybody to get a Dr. and live a long time, you would of been born with a little insurance policy in your hand. It’s a jungle out there and only the people fit to live will survive. If this Obamacare passes we will be getting in the way of God’s Plan. This Sister Souljah sounds like my kind of Dr.–a good Conservative one that knows how things are suppose to work.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

USinUK

August 10th, 2009
12:19 pm

WBH –

“which refers to hypothetical person with the same physical infirmities as Hawking rather than Hawking himself”

um. epic WRONG — you seem to be conveniently ignoring the last half of the sentence: “where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless”

ahem: THIS BRILLIANT MAN. not “random guy with handicaps”. THIS. BRILLIANT. MAN.

nice try, but … fail.

Maw & Paw Kettle

August 10th, 2009
12:19 pm

Why does President Obama want us dead?

Normal

August 10th, 2009
12:19 pm

Midori

August 10th, 2009
11:58 am
FLY MONKEYS!!

FLY!!!!!!!!!!

Wails that will be heard after the healthcare package passes:

I’M MELTING! I’M MELTING! What a world, what a world…

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 10th, 2009
12:20 pm

The question, very simply, is, if Obama care is so nifty, why do the liberal sheople spend so much time explaining the flaws in the conservative thought process rather than explaining the good characteristics of Obama’s so called plan. After all, with Democrat majorities, this can be done without conservatives. Makes one wonder, doesn’t it?

Midori

August 10th, 2009
12:21 pm

hey Andy

BOO!!!

George Soros Pledges $5 Million To Bankroll Health Care Push

Jay

August 10th, 2009
12:21 pm

Joey, I provided that in a previous post on this topic.

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:22 pm

Time for a reality check?

“Anyone that’s watched the news in the past few days knows that health insurance reform is a hot topic — and that rumors and scare tactics have only increased as more people engage with the issue. Given a lot of the outrageous claims floating around, it’s time to make sure everyone knows the facts about the security and stability you get with health insurance reform.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text

Fly-On-The-Wall

August 10th, 2009
12:22 pm

Too bad we can’t get more information on other nations healthcare methods. I hear that France is #1 in healthcare and spends far less than the U.S. Theirs is a hybrid style which means it isn’t a total government plan. So what is wrong with that plan? Could we do that here? I know for conservatives using anything from France is a sin but if it isn’t a total government controlled plan wouldn’t that be more exceptable?

Midori

August 10th, 2009
12:22 pm

LOL Normal!!! :lol:

Doggone/GA

August 10th, 2009
12:25 pm

“Let me axes you this, has the country ever seen a more prolific liar than Obumbler?”

Yep

NP

August 10th, 2009
12:26 pm

The House bill offers voluntary counseling. It’s scary that an editorial piece can be based on outright misrepresentation of the facts. It’s sad that the public’s standard for critical thinking and reading has fallen so low.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 10th, 2009
12:26 pm

USinUK
August 10th, 2009
12:19 pm

Read it once more. “…where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, BECAUSE OF HIS PHYSICAL HANDICAPS (emphasis added), is essentially worthless”, what part of – the manner in which Hawking pays from his own pocket is not available to other similarly infirm people – don’t you understand.

But for his personal wealth, Hawking would have long ago been pushing up daisies. As would those similarly afflicted but without such resources in America were Obamacare to pass.

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:28 pm

Ray

August 10th, 2009
12:28 pm

Where is the right’s movement to repeal Medicare, being that this ’socialism’ is a death machine for the elderly?

OctoMom

August 10th, 2009
12:29 pm

I fear for you. Had the govt known I was having 8 little precious, lovely babies I fear they wouldve killed some of them because I cant afford them. Or after having them the govt would make me sterilized.

I will leave this country now.

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:30 pm

Midori

August 10th, 2009
12:21 pm

We could use $5 billion to fund the “wars” for a few of days.

AmVet

August 10th, 2009
12:32 pm

OK, maniacs, spare the kids and the innocent people, but I’m all for all of you paranoid suiciders, birthers, flat earthers and Jim Adkisosn fans doing the Koresh dance.

Paradise is just a little gasoline and one match strike away…

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 10th, 2009
12:34 pm

AmVet
August 10th, 2009
12:32 pm

Don’t get too far in the air, Obumbler only wants to wage eldercide on the aged and genocide on whitey.

OctoMom

August 10th, 2009
12:34 pm

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:22 pm

That site is full of lies and BS. A complete waste of time

stands for decibels

August 10th, 2009
12:35 pm

N-GA

August 10th, 2009
12:35 pm

Hello, Paul….

Sometimes I wish Obama would take a page from H. Ross before he had his meltdown. Just get in front of the cameras and use some simple charts/graphs showing how much money is spent on the insurance layer. Then show what is spent on doctors, hospitals, labs, pharmacueticals, etc. (direct healthcare expense).

Yes, I understand the purpose of health insurance. But it is out of control. My wife & I pay BC/BS (emphasis on the BS) more than $2k/month. And that doesn’t include dental or eyewear, but does mean high deductibles and co-pays. My premium has more than doubled since January, 2008. Georgia’s insurance commissioner (now running for governor) says that he has no role in regulating private/individual health insurance. Of course Delta, Coca-Cola and other big companies have negotiated multi-year contracts to restrict how large the annual increases can be. Not so for policies like mine. So BC/BS and the rest of them get their money from the little guys. If you complain, they (laughingly) tell you that you are free to go elsewhere. It is very interesting for people over the age of say, 55 to get health insurance.

The next argument is always: We can’t let big government mismanage another program like Medicare, Social Security, etc. So we should leave it to Big Business like Chrysler, General Motors, Nortel, Worldcom, etc.? Besides, Big government managed to build the A-bomb, the interstate highway system, Hoover Dam, put a man on the moon, etc. (Just trying to get ahead of the wingers, here).

USinUK

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

WBH (Wyld Bill Hyperbolator)

“what part of – the manner in which Hawking pays from his own pocket is not available to other similarly infirm people – don’t you understand. ”

and you know he pays for his treatments out of his own pockets … how, exactly??? it’s not stated in the editorial …

PGeorge

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

I would be in favor of reforming health care in this country so long as there was an opt-out option. You see I am against the idea that those who are so afraid of health care reform and hate anything that says “government” to them will one day collect social security and one day be on Medicare. As far as I’m concerned let the them deal without government services — they don’t want them anyway. There are plenty of us who want real health care reform to create a good program. Maybe then we can get out single-payer system and those against health care reform can have their beloved insurance companies.

pat

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that obamacare is a disaster at best.
If this plan is so good for us, why then did congress vote to exempt themselves from the plan? This wonderful plan HR 3200 has a congressional examption. Why? If it’s so good, they should be the first ones to sign up. Correct? Why then did the democrats vote to exempt themselves from the plan? That, should be more telling then anything else.

I am seeing the signs that this legislation is all but dead, which is great news. I am sure at some point they will pass something, but what they do pass will likely be just a dog and pony show to say they did something, nothing of real substance will get voted in. Keeping a bad system is better than making it ten times worse.

Maybe next time, rather than threatening to nationalize it, they can focus on stadardization, electronic information, and foreign competition, to keep costs down. After all if you can afford health care, you don’t need insurance.

USinUK

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

heading home …

night all

AmVet

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

Wyld Byll Hytlyr.

No wonder you’re such a train wreck!

How do you sleep at night knowing that the Uppity Muslim has you in his sights?

If you disappear soon, we all just figure you were “designated for reassignment”!

Good luck and keep your head down…

jody

August 10th, 2009
12:38 pm

WBH: Indeed. For you see, Mr. Hawking is the only person on the entire island with the disease. Clearly nobody else on the entire island receives that kind of coverage. And those that do have it are clearly worse off than the ones over here with no coverage at all. Serves ‘em right for getting sick.

I swear, the wingnuts don’t realize how blindingly stupid they sound.

jt

August 10th, 2009
12:38 pm

Cmon Jay- Talk about sources.

“In other words, these people have gone full-blown lunatic on us. Curious, I also looked up the Investors Business Daily editorial cited by Human Events. Published a week ago Friday, it is chock full of lies, distortions and other foolishness, such as the claim that the House bill would compel senior citizens to undergo mandatory euthanasia counseling every five years.”

The democratic leadership including Nancy Pelosi(third from commander in cheif) have claimed that THEIR healthcare bill will “compete”. Will offer “competition”.

That is no less absurd than YOUR example. And my sources are more authoritative.

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:39 pm

OctoMom

August 10th, 2009
12:34 pm

It’s their rebuttal, take it or leave it.

Normal

August 10th, 2009
12:41 pm

PGeorge

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

Well said, well said indeed!

TnGelding

August 10th, 2009
12:42 pm

USinUK

August 10th, 2009
12:37 pm

Must be my nap time, then.

rcs

August 10th, 2009
12:43 pm

If Democrats want the Health Care bill then why don’t they ignore the Republicans and these first class fools and put a bill on Obama’s desk to sign?

Joey

August 10th, 2009
12:44 pm

And to the flat-earthers let’s add Truthers, C-Pinkers, and of course all of you Trig-nealogist.

AlladinsLamp

August 10th, 2009
12:45 pm

Joey, the test of HR3200 is here:
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

The Language of HR2300, pages 425 – 430, comes from HR1898, a bill submitted by Earl Blumenauer (D-Or). Here is the bill: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1898ih.txt.pdf

HR1898 had 13 co-sponsors:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1898/show

Here’s what Mr. Blumenauer had to say about the distortions about what this part of the bill does:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-earl-blumenauer/stop-distorting-the-truth_b_244382.html

And this fact sheet is from Mr. Blumenauer’s office: http://blumenauer.house.gov/images/stories/documents/myth%20vs%20fact.pdf

Jay, perhaps you could ask Senator Isakson about his sponsorship of S465, the Advance Directives Improvement and Education Act of 2007(http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s465/show) and S466, the Medicare End-of-Life Care Planning Act of 2007 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s466/show#bill_list).

Chuck

August 10th, 2009
12:47 pm

Pat – why would Congress elect to choose an option that their current plan already surpasses?

Do the conservatives really know so little about healthcare?

George American

August 10th, 2009
12:47 pm

The extermination of old people and retards if nothing other than Obarma’s plan to fix the economy.

He will use the savings in social security and the money from the death tax to fund ACORN and buy votes for his 2nd term.

No wonder there are violent protest at the town hall meetings. Are you going to sit down and let this nationalist socialist (a.k.a nazi) regime kill your elderly mother or retarded babies?

Bosch

August 10th, 2009
12:49 pm

Not sure if anyone has spotted this flaw in Jay’s piece yet:

“hard-right intelligentsia”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaaaaaaaaa………ha……ha.

Whew, good one.

Question

August 10th, 2009
12:51 pm

So now Pelosi’s position is if you don’t like Barack Obama or his health care plan, you’re “un-American.” And David Scott can only rant and rave versus providing a rational fact-based response to one of his constituents.

I believe the Dems continue to show the following is true — There are two reliable ways of telling if you have won an argument. The first is if your disputants switch from discussion of the facts to accusations about motives; the second, more obviously, is if they descend to mere abuse.



Yup, change we can believe in…

Bosch

August 10th, 2009
12:52 pm

“I swear, the wingnuts don’t realize how blindingly stupid they sound.”

No, jody, they really don’t.

OctoMom

August 10th, 2009
12:54 pm

I wish I never come to this country. You all crazy…all I say.

Marcos

August 10th, 2009
12:54 pm

Hawking was born in the U.K., has lived there his entire life. Therefore, your theory that he “wouldn’t have a chance” there is 100% nonsense. Reality has a such a well-known liberal bias!

Normal

August 10th, 2009
12:57 pm

Which one are you GEORGE, elderly or retarded. Wait, let me guess…

Midori

August 10th, 2009
1:02 pm

dammit Normal!!

you beat me to it!! :)

Normal

August 10th, 2009
1:03 pm

rcs, I talked to Josef Nix this weekend and told him you asked about him. He sends his best wishes to you. Thought you’d want to know…

rcs

August 10th, 2009
1:04 pm

thank you normal.

@@

August 10th, 2009
1:05 pm

What I find odd is that Obama has included Stephen Hawking right alongside Mary Robinson when handing out his Presidential Medals of Freedom.

Robinson presided over the 2001 Durban conference against racism, a conference that degenerated into a swamp of anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda so foul that the United States walked out. Awarding the Medal of Freedom to Robinson does great dishonor to the outstanding men and women who will receive the award this year and have received it in the past.

The late Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.) was a member of the U.S. delegation to the Durban conference that walked out of the event.

“To many of us present at the events at Durban,” Lantos said, “it is clear that much of the responsibility for the debacle rests on the shoulders of U.N. High ommissioner [sic] for Human Rights Mary Robinson, who in her role as secretary-general of the conference failed to provide the leadership needed to keep the conference on track.”

Robinson had several opportunities to resist efforts to make the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — alone among international conflicts — a major element of the conference agenda. She failed to do so. In fact, she worked against the U.S. delegation’s painstaking diplomatic efforts to keep the conference focused on the international problems of racism and discrimination. She allowed it to become a forum for bashing Israel and Jews.

Robinson’s U.N. Human Rights Commission voted on a decision that condoned suicide bombings as a legitimate means to establish Palestinian statehood shortly after Robinson pushed for investigation of the “Jenin massacre” — a massacre that never actually happened. Robinson was outspoken against Israel’s attempts to end Palestinian missile attacks from Lebanon in 2006 and from Gaza in the winter of 2008-09.

The decision to honor her has raised vocal bipartisan opposition. Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) has spoken out against giving the Medal of Freedom to Robinson. Mainstream Jewish organizations, including AIPAC and ADL, have done so as well.

If the White House staff passed on Robinson’s name knowing how controversial and troubling the choice would be, that’s wrong in and of itself. If Robinson’s name made it onto the Medal of Freedom list because the White House staff was unaware of how controversial she was, that’s even worse.

In any case, awarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Mary Robinson is a troubling mistake on the president’s part. It diminishes the honor of the medal and of the notable men and women associated with it.

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/08/09/1007129/op-ed-robinsons-award-does-no-one-honor

So let’s use Hawking to promote Obamacare. The same care with which Obama chose Robinson as a recipient of HIS medal of freedom.

So what…..did she have private healthcare. That must’ve been what was behind his “logical” choice.

Kamchak

August 10th, 2009
1:05 pm

Normal

Tell josef that I wish that he would reconsider his decision to leave this site.

AmVet

August 10th, 2009
1:05 pm

Looks like the conned are going to see their traitorous GOP Senator turned Dem in Pa. get replace by another Democratic Senator.

And look at this losers record. The chickenhawks are just gonna hate this guy:

Today, we’re endorsing our friend Joe Sestak for the Senate seat in Pennsylvania, and we need everyone to rally around Joe to help, as he takes on Arlen Specter in the Pennsylvania primary!

This decision wasn’t hard. When we launched VoteVets.org PAC, Joe was one of our very first endorsed candidates, in his successful race for Congress. He has one of the most tremendous records of service of anyone in Washington.

During a distinguished 31-year career in the United States Navy, Sestak attained the rank of 3-star Admiral and served in the Clinton White House, Pentagon, and in operational commands at sea, culminating with command of the USS George Washington Aircraft Carrier Battle Group. In fact, he is the highest-ranking former military officer ever elected to either branch of Congress.

His record in Congress is just as impressive, in a short time. He is one of the few representatives to serve on three committees, serving as Vice Chair of the Small Business Committee, and a member of the Committee on Education and Labor and the Armed Services Committee. In the current Congress he has had more of his bills pass than either of the state’s two Senators.

In the end, Joe Sestak will bring the same honesty, integrity, and hard work with which he’s always served America to the U.S. Senate. Joe understands the unique challenges facing America – especially those of us who served and are serving, and stands firm on his principles. You always know where Joe Sestak stands.

Sincerely,

Jon Soltz
Iraq War Veteran
Chairman, VoteVets.org

Normal

August 10th, 2009
1:06 pm

MIDORI, sorry, it’s a kneejerk reaction when I read things like that. I’d put some out there for Wyld Byll too, but I’m afraid I’d have to explain the punch line to him. Whew! (sorry Scooter)

[...] Talking Point Memo passes on a report from Jay Bookman, of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, of an astoundingly ignorant Investor Business Daily [...]

Normal

August 10th, 2009
1:08 pm

Kamchak: I already have, but he’s pretty fed up with what he calls the moderation bias here. It’s a shame too. He is very insightful.

R.P.

August 10th, 2009
1:08 pm

Now that the U.K. authorities have been tipped off, Hawking will be no doubt be terminated. Thank you IBD. And let’s also thank them for referring to a widely discredited, error-filled piece by paid hack Betsy McCaughey. I’m hoping this will encourage their readers’ aging parents to refuse the “Socialist” Medicare system and enter the vibrant health insurance marketplace at age 65 with their various preexisting conditions.

Paul

August 10th, 2009
1:09 pm

g’night, USinUK

Good afternoon, N-GA

I fear an opportunity is slipping away. I was just speaking with a friend this morning, he’s quite conservative BUT his comment was “heck yes we needed health care reform, but what I’m seeing isn’t it.”

I think if the concerns of a great number of Americans were addressed from the start, rather than an ideological push with an incredible tag that was portrayed as an additive cost, we’d get somewhere. But now…

People who think they’re in control and who have to guard against government control reminds me of the guy who goes to a card game thinking he’s gonna win. Except, his opponent picked the deck. And shuffled it. And dealt. And he gets to change cards in the middle of the hand and change the rules at whim. Just like insurance companies now do.

Then we had the case a week or two ago, after the White House appeased the Blue Dogs, of the Democrat’s Progressive wing notifying the White House if single payer isn’t in, then they’ll vote ‘no.’

Sigh. One could guess Republicans would be against reform. But when factions of Democrats, each with enough votes to block passage, say they won’t support it unless their pet items are included, well, I just don’t have much hope.

And people will continue to get dropped. People will see premiums double every so often. Those who lose their jobs will be without coverage. Some treatments won’t be covered. All the things that made people hope their representatives would look out for them….

rcs

August 10th, 2009
1:12 pm

“Joe Sestak will bring the same honesty, integrity, and hard work with which he’s always served America to the U.S. Senate.”

That’s fantastic. The Senate can use more people like Joe. If I still lived in PA he’d get my vote.

jim

August 10th, 2009
1:13 pm

ROTFLMAO

From the article’s glowing praise of the unintentional ad for Thorazine that is “Human Events” … to the commenters who magically shrink 48 million uninsured down to 15 million by the delightful expedient of splitting imaginary hairs found on the scalps of strawmen (ah, yes, Faith-Based Mathematics – the perfect corollary to trickle-down Voodoo Economics) & totter toward their fainting-couches clutching their pearls as they prophesy state geriatricide & cannibalism … this is what I call a Comedy Motherlode!

Yep, you’ve sure got those poor Democrats right where they want you – because counseling the elderly about end-of-life options to pre-empt a potential legal & bureaucratic snakepit for their families is EXACTLY like the Evil Obamatronz hunting & rounding them up to be run through a woodchipper, sheeple! Stop the nightmare of socialized healthcare (that soldiers, the poor & seniors have been enjoying for many years) before it’s too late!

BARRACK OSAMA IZ TEH NEW HITLUR!!!!11!1!1!!!!!

Normal

August 10th, 2009
1:13 pm

KAMCHAK: I think Josef might have called Jay a running colonial dog of Yankee imperialism! Which could explain a lot. Jay, you there?

AmVet

August 10th, 2009
1:15 pm

rcs,

The only “down side” I see about Sestak is the homophobe “conservatives” will likely “hold it against him” that he was a Rear Admiral.

I gotta million of ‘em…

pat

August 10th, 2009
1:16 pm

Chuck, precisly. I hope you were being fecetious??

You would hope that a socialized option would be the best possible care a person could recieve. You are intimating that obamacare is subpar, so the people who would get it would be getting subpar medical care. So is that what you people so desparatly want? A socialized system dolling out lousy healthcare that the legistlators themselves would not touch with a ten foot pole? For any public option, it must besigned in to law that the people signing it into law must use it. If congress is afraid of obamacare for themselves, you too should be scared of it.

You deserve the same level of care obama himself gets, not the scraps from his table.

righty

August 10th, 2009
1:16 pm

“The conservative opinion magazine Human Events was reputedly Ronald Reagan’s favorite read, and to this day fancies itself the house organ for the hard-right intelligentsia.”

Glad to see Jay shows his bias upfront before he even gets into the rest ow what he’s trying to say. The real lunatics are the politicians who obviously can’t handle debate or an opposing voice and are using every term from “nazi” to “right-winger” to “unpatriotic” to show their true colors. The true statist dogma: you can say whatever you want, as long as it agrees with what we’re saying and as long as you never question us.

And yes, the healthcare bill specifically allows for state-funded abortions. Some reform!

stands for decibels

August 10th, 2009
1:18 pm

Then we had the case a week or two ago, after the White House appeased the Blue Dogs, of the Democrat’s Progressive wing notifying the White House if single payer isn’t in, then they’ll vote ‘no.’

But the holding out wasn’t over single payer. It was over the inclusion of a “public plan”, which would not be the same as single payer at all.

(Some are trying their best to equate the two, to which I say: “I wish!”)

Here’s a bit from the HR 3200’s house committe summary:

One of the many choices of health insurance within the health insurance Exchange is a public health insurance option. It will be a new choice in many areas of our country dominated by just one or two private insurers today. The public option will operate on a level playing field. It will be subject to the same market reforms and consumer protections as other private plans in the Exchange and it will be self‐sustaining – financed only by its premiums.

who cares

August 10th, 2009
1:19 pm

What do:
Rush Limbaugh, Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich, Nancy Pelosi, PhRMA, Families USA, America’s Health Insurance Plans, AARP, Harry Reid,
Mitch McConnell, and Fox News have in common?

They are all freaked out by single payer.

They have all bought the corporate line: The market has a central place in health insurance.

In contrast, the majority of doctors. The majority of nurses. And the majority of the American people are not freaked out by single payer.
To the contrary. They favor single payer. They all agree — the market has no place in health insurance.

Single payer would eliminate the 1,300 private payers (insurance companies). And replace them with one public single payer.

As Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine puts it: Single payer is not only the best option. It’s the only option that will control costs and cover everyone.

We’ve been making noise about single payer all year, beginning in May, when we asked Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana) to invite one single payer advocate to testify at three days of hearings before the Senate Finance Committee.

Senator Baucus refused, ordered us arrested, and charged us with “disruption of Congress.”

We’ve been disrupting ever since — on Capitol Hill. And at town hall meetings around the country.

And the right wing has taken a page from our playbook. They too have started disrupting the Democrats. Not because the Democrats are in bed with the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations (which they are.)
But because they believe that Obamacare is back door single payer (which it surely isn’t — if it were, why would the insurance industry and pharmaceutical industry be supporting it?)

The right wing has garnered more attention because they have bigger institutional megaphones — Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the mainstream media.

Today, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, in an article in USA Today, called the right wing protests “un-American.”

They are not “un-American” any more than we are “un-American.”

The right wing is right to seek to defeat Obamacare — with non violent civil disobendience, if necessary.

They are seeking to defeat Obamacare for their own right wing reasons (primarily because they fear creeping socialism.)

We seek to defeat Obamacare because it’s a bailout of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

And it won’t deliver universal health care to the American people.

Time to scrap Obamacare. And start from scratch.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of Corporate Crime Reporter and founder of singlepayeraction.org

Taxpayer

August 10th, 2009
1:19 pm

But for his personal wealth, Hawking would have long ago been pushing up daisies.

That’s only if he lived here in the USofA, dude. Try to keep up.

Gandalf, the Wise

August 10th, 2009
1:22 pm

How many millions will Barrycare kill? Will future generations compare him to Stalin or Hitler? This is real and Jay doesn’t believe it. Kill the old folks, force abortions! Kill kill kill the unfit!

Doggone/GA

August 10th, 2009
1:25 pm

“he’s pretty fed up with what he calls the moderation bias here”

Which doesn’t actually exist. The “moderation” here behaves exactly like it does on other forums I go to that are automatic. If you look closely, there’s always SOMETHING that the filter catches…even if you don’t actually agree that it should. You just have to learn to self-edit.

Jay

August 10th, 2009
1:25 pm

Normal, my less-than-perfect understanding of Josef’s decision is that it was motivated by frustration with comments kicked into moderation by our system. But I’m not pretending to speak on his behalf.

Kamchak

August 10th, 2009
1:26 pm

Normal

Jay’s been called much worse on a daily basis by many regulars here. An electronic filter has no bias. Josef is a prolific poster so it stands to reason that he would be moderated more than most. Yeah, getting moderated is exasperating, but that only encourages me to find a way of saying what I want, the way that I want.

OctoMom

August 10th, 2009
1:26 pm

YOU WONT KILL MY BABIES Mr OBAMA. I WONT LET YOU!

Paul

August 10th, 2009
1:27 pm

sD

Thanks for the clarification. Y’know, maybe if they didn’t try to go for a 15-course banquet right from the start, but just passed some basic reforms that the folks could try and then say “y’know, this is really pretty good” then we’d make some progress.

Malcolm Bettinye

August 10th, 2009
1:28 pm

Funny that it’s only middle class insured people who complain about the Obama plan. I guess they just don’t want those of us who are working poor and uninsured to get the same kind of coverage they have – because we might change the “complexion” of their neighborhood clinic, I guess.

AmVet

August 10th, 2009
1:29 pm

Here are the facts and they are irrefutable:

Health insurance companies have the incentive to make a profit by denying coverage and procedures whenever possible.

They also have an incentive to make a profit by only insuring the healthiest people and avoiding the people need coverage the most (the sick).

Many people with a “pre-existing condition” cannot buy health insurance even though they need it the most.

Most bankruptcies in the United States are caused by health care bills…and most of those people were “covered” when they got sick.

Many Americans are a serious illness away from bankruptcy but don’t know it yet because they did not read the fine print or fully understand their “coverage.”

Most industrialized nations in the world have some form of single payer health care because it makes the most sense economically, socially, and morally.

The United States pays twice as much per person for health care than any other country in the world but 47 million people remain without insurance.

Most Americans receiving Medicare would not describe their single payer coverage as “evil.”

Single-payer. NOW.

Mysticdog

August 10th, 2009
1:31 pm

MC Hawking sez “All my shootings be drivebys. Don’t %#@^ with the Hawkman.”

Davo

August 10th, 2009
1:31 pm

So Bookman pats himself on the back for ‘discovering’ a poorly worded arguement against UHC…I’m sure he’s already cc’d the talkingpointsmemo.com snippet that mentions his name. Oddly enough, the article is titled ‘Don’t Have To Be a Rocket Scientist’ which is appropiate for Bookman as he shows day in and day out that no effort goes into his ‘craft’.

I used to think Obama was good for 8 years…so long as he didn’t do anything stupid. I’m not so sure anymore….healthcare is dead and that will just weigh on his next decisions. Too bad you dems got all full of yourselves. But in the end it will be better for the true citizens America.

Turd Ferguson

August 10th, 2009
1:32 pm

No…we in the middle class are tired of the govt giving our hard earned dollars to you bunch of ungrateful lazy degenerates who do basically not much of anything except complain about wanting more.