Could this be the bottom of the Great Recession?
In today’s NYT, David Leonhardt wraps up the recent economic news and asks a question:
“What if in the end they got it right?
What if, amid all their missteps and all the harsh criticism, the people in charge of battling the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression — Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Lawrence Summers, Henry Paulson and the rest — basically succeeded?
It is clearly too soon to know for sure. But the evidence is now pointing pretty strongly in one direction: history books may conclude that the financial crisis of 2008 turned out to be far less bad than it could have been and that Washington deserved much of the credit.”
Personally, I think it’s too early to even conjecture about such an outcome. If you look at the foreclosures and troubled mortgages still in the system, if you look at the number of companies still teetering, I fear this could be the lull before another storm.
On the other hand, though, when this economic calamity really does begin to ease, this is pretty much what such a moment would look like. So maybe, and keep your fingers crossed.
PLUS:
To update the previous post, I see where the sage and well-informed Sarah Palin has joined Pat Buchanan and other nuts in warning that Obama is plotting euthanasia. Among the likely targets she suggests is her son Trig.
Lovely. Just lovely.
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I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
9:49 am
Most recessions last an average of 8 months, we are currently in the 18th month of this one, so, it seems to me, the socialist policies of the “president” and democrat controlled Congress have prolonged it more than necessary.
But you go ahead and spin as hard as you can, cling to this little tiny thread of hope as your whole entire ship slips beneath the waves, to borrow a favorite illustration from the AJC’s crank cartoonist.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
9:50 am
1st and 2nd!
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
9:53 am
Hope, as though there is any in sight, based entirely on only a quarter of a million people laid off last month.
Amazing how economic benchmarks set by the state run socialist media change when their clown is in office.
Hope and change, hahahahaha, losers.
rcs
August 8th, 2009
10:08 am
I think it’s too early to tell. But if it is true, with only 10% of the stimulus money spent, will they return the remaining 90%?
Brad Steel
August 8th, 2009
10:08 am
A series cynical negative post from the Nazi Whiner? What a shocker. And congratulations on being first. You should treat yourself to an extra juice box.
If we have corrected, it has to somehow be Reagan’s doing.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 8th, 2009
10:10 am
Well, I sure hope this ain’t the end of the recession. If it is, then I would have to give this Obama credit. And that would be worse than eating dead crow. I’m like @@. I’m all for the country when a good Republican is in the White House, but I’m out to screw it if a librul Democrat is there.
Anyhow, I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for the stock market to go back down and unemployment to go up again and everybody to be real miserable so we can vote a good bunch of Republicans into office in 2010 and 2012. We can’t stand by and watch the country get better under the librul Democrats.
Have a good weekend everybody.
Town-Hallers Exposed
August 8th, 2009
10:15 am
This Onion article shines a laser light of how the oblivious town-hallers are actually perceived.
George American
August 8th, 2009
10:19 am
Any improvement can be chalked up to the free market correcting itself. Government can’t do nothing right.
There is no way Obarma and his incompetent community organizers have done anything good. They are liars, thieves and cheets!
getalife
August 8th, 2009
10:30 am
They threw trillions of your money to save their rich friends and keep the market at 8000 and now will cut services to the poor.
Libs should join the cons and go yell at them.
Yeah, like they care about the people yelling at them but it’s a start.
Bosch
August 8th, 2009
10:31 am
I guess it would be too much to ask if Palin has even read anything regarding the healthcare bill.
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
10:38 am
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi
You Whine 
August 8th, 2009
9:53 am
…and third. Strike three, you’re out! Yeah, if only Obama hadn’t announced he was running for president maybe there wouldn’t have been a recession. No matter how much you deny it the trend is postiive.
64 IQ
August 8th, 2009
10:39 am
George…. What’s a CHEET?
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
10:39 am
rcs
August 8th, 2009
10:08 am
Nah, that’ll kick in right before the election, as planned.
Kayaker 71
August 8th, 2009
10:40 am
Once again, Bookman, you need a lesson in free speech. There a lot of people out there, including me and my family, who are very suspicious of Bozo and his new health care plan. We don’t like it, plain and simple. We don’t trust the people who are proposing it, we are afraid of getting government involved in our health care and don’t want the huge outlay of tax dollars that it will take to run a program that represents upwards of 20% of our gross national product. We don’t want to continue to be responsible for the health care needs of people who are in this country illegally. I am not surprised that none of this bothers you or your liberal peers. We don’t trust our Congress to make a valid decision about our health care future and especially we don’t trust the people who are proposing this fiasco. Read the rhetoric that Rham Emmanuel’s brother wrote about how he would set up a health care system and how health care would be prioritized to those who are deemed “worthy”. And he is one of Bozo’s health care advisors. Seems like that is what Sister Sarah is so upset about. Scares me a lot…. what scares me almost as much is people like you who back this nonsense. We don’t trust our elected officials to “do what is best” for us. Have you looked at the approval rating for our Congress lately?…. still in the teens. And you wonder why we protest.
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
10:42 am
George American
August 8th, 2009
10:19 am
But they do it so well. Hold on to your wallet.
Kamchak
August 8th, 2009
10:43 am
Off topic–Bosch
David Beckham plans to exercise a clause in his contract allowing him to buy a Major League Soccer franchise at the end of his playing career.
This is a good thing–right?
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
10:45 am
Kayaker 71
August 8th, 2009
10:40 am
There is no one plan….yet.
The approval rating for Congress would be a little higher if they’d gone after Bush and Cheney.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
11:35 am
I guess it would be too much to ask if Palin has even read anything regarding the healthcare bill.
Bosch,
I betcha she’s read at least as much of the bill as you have.
AmVet
August 8th, 2009
11:37 am
The market’s resiliency this year is both good news and bad, it would seem.
Clearly now that the deadly bunglers and unabashed criminals in the White House have been replaced, some confidence has been restored. But given America’s longstanding track record of sticking it’s collective head in the sand, is this a good thing?
I don’t see that any of the underlying fundamentals that caused this debacle – the 15 year corporate crime wave that caused the near destruction of capitalism – have been addressed whatsoever.
Have there been widespread prosecutions and demands for economic justice?
No. Obama prefers to “look forward, not backwards.” A very Republican-like euphemism for “I’m gonna play it safe and let the swindlers and crooks get a free pass. (With our money.)”
Has the corporate impunity for these crimes been addressed?
Not really. When King George and his cabal had Wall Street over a barrel last September, they allowed the white collar criminals to shove them in the barrel and roll it over a cliff.
(What a legacy. You’re doing a heckuva job, conned.)
Do any of these paid for politicians who are supposed to be protecting the American people even give a damn about at least pretending they care anymore?
So forgive me, but I am extremely suspicious of business as usual on Wall Street, K Street, Main Street and in Washington D.C.
As reflected in the DJIA.
And though I caused a minor controversy here some months ago about speculating what the bottom might be – followed by a plethora of guesses and even attempts at forming a pool – I would have been wrong.
I did not expect the markets to make large gains. And thought it would go even lower…
BHO has one helluva mess on his hands, that’s for sure; but with the brain dead fake conservatives gone, we at least have a chance now…
Taxpayer
August 8th, 2009
11:40 am
Kayaker 71
August 8th, 2009
10:40 am
If you think that government should eliminate Medicare, then you should just tell them. Get involved. After all, there are plenty of good conservative Republicans out there that feel the same way as you about excessive government involvement in our lives and their massive expenditures of tax dollars. While you’re at it, won’t you join me and others in our efforts to reduce that $630 billion dollar DoD annual budget. It’s high time we quit borrowing from China and others to fund such a bloated government program. Don’t you agree, young man.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
11:40 am
Kamchak,
Why are you posting videos of my girlfriend downstairs?
Kamchak
August 8th, 2009
11:56 am
RW
That’s not what she said last night.
Michael H. Smith
August 8th, 2009
12:03 pm
So Jay Bookman asks what if: What if in the end they got it right? What if the proverbial “THEY” basically succeed?
I would be ever so happy, probably happier than I’ve ever been in my entire life, if, that IF where true. “IF”, you actually can spend yourself rich and borrow your way out of debt.
I’m and American, and that is what worries me the most. It will not be the Democrats or the Republicans who suffer the gravest consequences if they got it wrong. It will be Americans and we Americans could lose our country in the end, “IF”, they don’t get it right.
Plus:
Getting anywhere near the end of life area is territory the government should not traverse. The connotations are far too great, the subject is far too personal and the government is far too powerful to ever come anywhere close to touching this forbidden fruit, Mr. Bookman.
Dave R.
August 8th, 2009
12:09 pm
I suspect that anyone calling this the end of the recession is whistling in the wind. With only about 10% of the stimulus money having been spent, any turnaround right now is only due to the free market system doing what they do best.
stands for decibels
August 8th, 2009
12:11 pm
the sage and well-informed Sarah Palin has joined Pat Buchanan and other nuts
For the record, and whatever slim chance she may have had to win the GOP nomination?
She’s officially finished as a national candidate. No sane person will vote for her now. Period.
stands for decibels
August 8th, 2009
12:13 pm
“What if, amid all their missteps and all the harsh criticism, the people in charge [...] basically succeeded?”
As I’ve found myself saying on many, many occasions in the past decade or so–I’ve really hoped to be wrong, and I hope that these insiders actually knew what they were doing, that the “send for a thief to catch a thief” strategy worked.
But like ya say, who knows at this point.
Mary
August 8th, 2009
12:13 pm
Trick is safe. Just like Truck and Trap. She needs meds badly. Somebody please NOMINATE her for the republican ticket!
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
12:14 pm
Wherever could these awful rumors about just taking a painkiller and getting out of the governments hair come from?
Please send this video to flag@whitehouse.gov
According to Jay B it sounds fishy.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
12:18 pm
Note to the nitpickers: I know this isn’t a new practice
The only reason the unemployment percentage went down last month was because an incredibly large number, nearly 800,000 people, fell into the category that gets eliminated into the ether. The percentage went down but so did the actual number of people working.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
12:21 pm
No matter how much you deny it the trend is postiive.
TN/ Taxpayer/ Whoeverinthehell- Feel free to compare-
January Job Gains Less Than Expected- WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. employers added ~~~~just~~~~ 146,000 new jobs in January and hiring in the previous three months was revised lower, the government said on Friday in an ~~~~~unexpectedly weak report on the job market~~~~~, but a ~~~~~drop in job-seekers~~~~~ pushed the unemployment rate to its lowest level in three years. The gain in nonfarm payrolls in January came in ~~~~below market expectations~~~~ for 190,000 new jobs but was enough to return the nation’s employment to where it was before the 2001 recession began.-2004
I wish I had time to go scare up some of the bookman/ Queen Pinko/ Kanell Urinal whining and moaning about 200,000 people finding employment, but since I is busy, I had to work with Reuters.
Maybe later.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
12:22 pm
Here’s another one to report
Dang! That one could have fit into the Friday night thread too. I’ll have to remember it for next Friday if the white house snitch brigade hasn’t had it destroyed by then.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
12:24 pm
Who am I kidding, these goons at the AJC probably scrubbed their archives already.
AmVet
August 8th, 2009
12:26 pm
“…the free market system doing what they do best.”
So laughable, it needs no commentary…
For all you laissez faire, economic liberal losers who are fine with the gangster capitalists walking off with your money, and your kids’ and your grandkids’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1auRCameVY
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
12:37 pm
Reporting dissent is the highest form of patriotism! Is your neighbor suspiciously “well-dressed”? Is he mouthing off about cancer survival rates under socialized medical systems while wearing a cravat? Give us his name, and we’ll give you his spats! Just go to flag@whitehouse.gov, not to be confused with flagging@whitehouse.gov., which is the e-mail address for reporting President Obama’s latest approval rating. Go to flay@whitehouse.gov if you’d like Speaker Pelosi to walk across your back as a whip-wielding SS dominatrix barking “Vee hoff vays of making you tokk less casually, dumbkopf!” Go to flange@whitehouse.gov if you need parts for your new government car, or your new government hip replacement. Go to flaunt@whitehouse.gov if you’d like a special preview of President Obama’s latest bare-chested pictorial for Vanity Fair. Go to flatulent@whitehouse.gov if you’d like to report your neighbor’s cow for excessive CO2 emissions.-Mark Steyn
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
12:38 pm
The biggest player in the health-care debate right now isn’t Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or even President Obama. It’s the Congressional Budget Office, which is responsible for estimating the costs of proposed legislation. After the director of the CBO testified on July 16 that none of the health-reform bills in the House or Senate would reduce the rate of increase in federal spending on health care, congressional efforts fell into disarray. Many policymakers began searching for a way to get costs below the CBO’s frightening estimate of $1.1 trillion over ten years. Others attacked the CBO, calling its estimates irresponsible.
The CBO is actually being kind to the would-be reformers. Its analysis likely understates—by at least $1 trillion—the true costs of expanding health coverage as current Democratic legislation contemplates.
Where do you suppose the government will make up these costs? Hmmm folks that are really using a lot of health care services but aren’t paying income or payroll taxes anymore seems a likely start.
That ^^^ conjecture as well as the economic analysis should also be reported to Mr. or Mrs. Flag.
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
12:40 pm
With the President & his Thugs promises of retaliation for any negative resposnes/ads by elected officials or groups who challege them on just about anything (Health Care in paticular). Makes one think we’re dealing with a regime not just your normal administration. Scary!!!!!
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
12:45 pm
Oh,by the way that was reported last night on CNN not FOX. “We will (administration) go after them hard,twice as hard! We have the resources do so”
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
12:49 pm
Halibut,
They already have. There’s video of the SEIU thugs Obama astroturfed into action jumping protestors with no provocation.
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Guess what? The left really isn’t against talking over and shouting down their guest
yeah right
August 8th, 2009
12:59 pm
Does Bookman have a wife and kids or is he a midtown queer liberal?
yeah right
August 8th, 2009
1:02 pm
Crickets?
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
1:05 pm
yeah right-ouchhhhhh
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
1:10 pm
Of course Jay is right on it, stating his displeasure with Obama and gang over such tactic’s. Uh no, he endorses it. Or at least it appears so by his mere silence.
yeah right
August 8th, 2009
1:28 pm
Every dark cloud has a silver lining. If the moronic libs get this health takeover bill crammed through, it will help decimate their ranks. A huge proportion of them are gay. And I do not mean in the closet, I mean sing show tunes while they are taking it gay. Once the kenyan completes the slide from socialism into communism, the gays will be destroyed. There will be no money to treat their unique diseases, like AIDS. The kenyan just saw this group as an ends to a means. He just needed their vote, that’s all. Just like the AFL/CIO employees at Lockheed in Marietta. Just an ends to a means. He killed the F22 contracts. The kenyan does not care about the unions, or gays, or the elderly, or the guilty-thinking whites (proven in Gates affair). Capitalism>Socialism>Communism
So as a population, we will soon be completely repressed as a populace. We will lose all freedoms guaranteed under the Constitution. But look on the bright side! Our fearless leader will destroy the fags, retards, sickly, old and infirm. After reading the comments from the libs in this forum that will be a good thing. All of the kenyans’ supporters he will eventually throw under the bus.
LOL
david wayne osedach
August 8th, 2009
1:30 pm
If Obama did get it right and this is the end of the recession then he will stand as the best President ever. On the other hand – if nothing happens – or things get worse. He should get booted out in 2012 for wasting trillions!
booger
August 8th, 2009
1:36 pm
Just checked my history books and guess what? There has never been a recession which didn’t end. Looks like no matter when it ends, Obama will get the credit. Fact is this recession will end not because of, but in spite of the govts. involvment.
It’s reported this will be the longest recession since the depression. Interesting to note that these are the two events where the govt. got actively involved in bringing them to an end.
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
1:47 pm
booger-are u saying in reality both recession’s may have ended earlier had it not been for govnmnt involvement? Natural corrections in the market place, something that happens daily.
Halibut Maoir
August 8th, 2009
1:50 pm
There again without Govnmnt’s involvement,there would be no one to bang there chest and take the credit for saving man. Such is the job for Super Obama!!!!
Jay
August 8th, 2009
2:09 pm
Such lovely people dropping by on a Saturday to pay a visit….
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
2:13 pm
Getting anywhere near the end of life area is territory the government should not traverse. The connotations are far too great, the subject is far too personal and the government is far too powerful to ever come anywhere close to touching this forbidden fruit, Mr. Bookman
I may be wrong, but…………………..weren’t you that same guy who was yelling that Schiavo’s husband had no rights and that it was a god thing that the State of Florida, along with the federal government, stepped in and squashed the florida supreme court ruling allowing Mr. Schiavo to declare his wife as brain dead and have her taken off life support? It could’ve been someone else; but your comment sure does sound familiar.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
2:20 pm
She’s officially finished as a national candidate. No sane person will vote for her now.
Dang! That last part about sane people….well, there goes your argument right there!
With the President & his Thugs promises of retaliation for any negative resposnes/ads by elected officials or groups who challege them on just about anything
Oh please!! Grow up!! It would be real nice if you goons knew how to comprehend what you read, but I guess I’m living in a dream world.
Amvet: Is that that guy’s REAL voice? Ewwwww!! Was that song a hit? Now I know why disco was so big, people just wanted to dance they didn’t care what the music actually sounded like.
Paul
August 8th, 2009
2:29 pm
Well Jay, I hope so. I certainly hope so. And I also hope this isn’t the lull before another storm. But there is a lot in the pipeline working its way through.
And to think the fundamental policy was put in place by Presidents Bush and Obama (not counting the stim pkg, of course).
And AmVet, I believe you have a point: “I don’t see that any of the underlying fundamentals that caused this debacle – the 15 year corporate crime wave that caused the near destruction of capitalism – have been addressed whatsoever.” Well, some has been addressed. But not enough. Getalife, you too. Lots of rich buddies were protected in this.
Kamchak 11:56
Dang, you’re rolling with the good one-liners. Who’s writing your material?
As far as the comment by Gov Palin: is it possible for a politician, not just a tv show or a movie sequel, but for a politician to ‘jump the shark’?
yeah right
Wow, I thought Dems had much better writers to parody the rantings of the farfarright. Free advice, don’t overdo the nouns, tie in the thoughts with some transisitions and stick in a few more buzzwords. Then you’ll have a parody of the farfarright!
Hi DDR!
stands for decibels
August 8th, 2009
2:33 pm
Such lovely people dropping by on a Saturday to pay a visit….
Folks who, in 2009, still think “midtown queer” is a devastating insult.
(Coming to a town hall meeting near you!)
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
2:37 pm
(Coming to a town hall meeting near you!)
The
idiotsposters throwing around the childish insults are union goons?DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
2:41 pm
Hi ya Paul!! Nice day outside today, so I think I’ll spend it inside blogging!!! Heck gives me something to do now that Dudley is off to Afghanistan again. Oh well……….GOOD NEWS!!: My brand new niece is so beautiful!!!! I am obsessed with her!! I keep picking her up and holding her whether she’s awake or not, (the sis-in-laws are a little miffed at me); and if she utters one little itty bitty cry, I’m there shushing her and cradling her! I’ve spent my last two paychecks on the cutest little outfits for her, and I’ve had her picture professional taken at least twice — I want one!!!! (well, not really, I’m kinda happy being an aunt). She’s in my lap right now while I’m typing/blogging this p.m. and my sis-n-laws are going out tonight and I get to keep the baby all by myself for the first time!!! I’m gonna hold her as much as I wanna!!!
So, how’s your day?
stands for decibels
August 8th, 2009
2:42 pm
“Union goons.” Near as devastating an insult in 2009 as “midtown queer.”
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
2:48 pm
It wasn’t an insult, it was an accurate description
Paul
August 8th, 2009
2:52 pm
DDR
Congrats!!! Outside was nice, got the yardwork done, the garden cleared, in the next week or so I’ll get the ground prepped for fall stuff. Weedeater wouldn’t start again… last few time’s I’ve cleaned the filter, cleaned out the gas lines, new plug… runs for a day, then the next time, won’t start.
So I hit upon a solution. I bought a new one!
Little ones are soooo neat when they’re itty-bitty, aren’t they? Don’t know if you know, but Dec one of my sons (the one who had his large intestine removed) baby was born – waaay premature, weighed all of 4lbs 7oz. That’s itty-bitty! He’s up to normal weight now, man can he eat! And my son who got married a few months ago, well, they’re expecting, find out the sex this week. Due next Feb.
You spent TWO paychecks on clothes?!!? Wait, that makes sense… you said ‘niece’ so girls and clothes…..
Any nice resale shops in your area? We have one here, seems what I call Yuppie Moms buy clothes in advance – I go in there and find outfits with the original store tags still on them! No kidding!
Where in Afg is Dudley? Hopefully ensconsed in some fortified area, translating intercepts on the deputies of Mehsud so we can get them, too. How long’s this tour?
Getting ready to make some bread, try out the Cuisinart stand mixer. Kitchenaid gave up the ghost after two years. Plastic housing on the gear assembly. Aarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
booger
August 8th, 2009
3:01 pm
Halibut,
Of course that’s what I,m saying. I know several very successful small business owners. Thus far they know they are getting one income tax increase, They may get a second increase. If they do not offer health ins. they will be forced to do so or pay a penalty of 8% of their payroll. If cap-and-trade passes many will be penalized because of the amount of energy they use. They just had an increase in minimum wage to digest, and people wonder why they aren’t out there hiring.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
3:03 pm
Paul the first time I held her, (they named her Cassandra, as in the Greek Oracle of wisdom); she opened her eyes and smiled at me. From then on she had me wrapped around her itty bitty fingers!!! I would’ve spent MORE money on her but the hubby started complaining about saving money and yada, yada, yada!! Heck he has two kids already, what does he know about falling in love with a baby?
Dudley has not told me where in Afghanistan he will be, he claims he doesn’t really know yet; however he’s no longer a Marine and is there as a civilian (making more money now then he’d ever make as a marine!!). He left yesterday and said he’ll call me or email me as soon as he’s set up; I kinda miss him; but thems the breaks!! His ex-wife told me years ago that Dudley was an adrenaline junkie and I married him anyway. That’s what i get for not listening to his ex!!
Congrats on becoming a “grandpa” again, (don’t you hate that word? Maybe they’ll change it to “sexy older male guy”, in a couple of years); and praises for the premie who is now doing just fine.
So, you’re making bread!!!??!! Oooooo!! See that’s what I need a stay at home husband who actually likes to cook!! Can you make pies and cakes too? If so, when football season comes, we can go to a couple of tailgates outside the Georgia dome!! You bring the baked goods, and I’ll bring the beer!!! (I can cook, BUT, if you want to live, it’s best that I bring the beer and wine).
AmVet
August 8th, 2009
3:06 pm
In lieu of last night, this song helped me through the Bush years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GytPv_v29lc
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
3:20 pm
RW about your “accurate description: You show us the MIDDLE of a recorded tape, and ask us to assume a beginning of what happened, hoping that our assumptions would be favorable to your cause. It didn’t work. Nice try though.
From a blogger on the site you linked to:
If you believe that the video shows the entire incident, you could reach that conclusion, but based on the previous behavior and character of the teabaggers, it’s safe to assume that what’s on the tape is a partial story. Violence is unacceptable by any party, but don’t pretend that you have an innocent victim here unless we can see the whole incident. If you feel that’s an unreasonable burden of proof, you can thank the “birthers” for your credibility gap.
I would also add the supposed “Obama grandmother verified it” tape that the wingnuts are floating around. The woman doesn’t speak any english and the caller didn’t speak any Kiswahili; the interpreter had to rephrase the question twice, AND the original tape, shows where the grandmother denied he was born in Kenya (which is conveniently “erased” when it’s emailed around the world).
Paul
August 8th, 2009
3:21 pm
DDR
I’ve known guys who take that tax-free money and put it aside, live as if they were still in the military. Get done with a tour or two and they ’bout have a house paid for.
I kinda like the ‘grampa’ name. I really like it when people think they’re my kids (like Bosch, I got started waaaay early).
I like to eat, don’t always care for other peoples’ cooking so it works out well for me. But I have to hold off on the beer till after I finish, else the recipes turn out really strange!
Have a good weekend!
out -
stands for decibels
August 8th, 2009
3:22 pm
Nice try, RW. Another take…
Go watch the YouTube video. (Or, the “shocking video,” as Power Line hypes it.) The first thing you notice when the camera starts rolling is a union member already sprawled out on the ground with somebody standing over him. No explanation of how he got there (pushed, shoved, punched?) and Ham couldn’t care less. Then yes, Gladney is pulled to the ground by somebody wearing a union shirt. (At the :06 mark.) But instead of Gladney being beaten and punched, as his attorney describes, and instead of union “thugs” standing over him and threatening him, Gladney bounces right back on his feet in approximately two seconds and the scuffle ends.
That was the savage “beating” the conservative blogosphere can’t stop talking about?
The only real mystery from the incident is why Tea Party member Gladney, who’s seen up-close after the brief encounter walking around and talking to people and who appears to be injury-free, then decided to go to the hospital to treat injuries to his “knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face.” All that from a two-second fall to the pavement?
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
3:22 pm
DDR,
The police were there the whole time and the only people arrested were the union thugs.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
3:23 pm
Media Matters? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Taxpayer
August 8th, 2009
3:27 pm
For you fact-challenged, booger-eating, fishy folks:
This recession would have to last past the end of 2009 to surpass the three Great Recessions of the early 1900’s.
The depth of this recession is another story. Over the last 60 years the GDP declines during many recessions have been quite moderate compared to what we see in this recession. Only the twin recessions of the early 1980s and the recession of 1973-74 are in the same league with the plunge we have seen in GDP in the current recession.
Tom
August 8th, 2009
3:32 pm
Not if the Repug Cult members have their way.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
3:36 pm
RW your tape doesn’t show the whole incident, it just shows sparse pieces of the incident. A logical person can not concur on behalf of your comments that the “union thugs” were the ones who instigated and perpetrated the fight.
PS: I’m trying out my legal jargon today. Let me know when it starts to get on you nerves, I don’t wanna be toooooo annyoing.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
3:44 pm
NOW they wanna hold the president accountable for the nuts at the town hall meetings?!? OMG, when does this ridiculousness end? Did anyone from the Center of the Left hold BUSH accountable for his nutty followers actions? Nope. They have more sense than that!!! It’s beginning to seem that America is turning into people who have common sense and “The Others Who Have None”.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908070056
Are Republicans Indubitably Stupid?
August 8th, 2009
3:47 pm
The excerpt below comes form the NYT. It gives some pretty strong evidence that collectively the GOP is the party of dummies.
A Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll released last Friday found that 28 percent of Republicans don’t believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States and another 30 percent are still “not sure.” That’s nearly 6 out of 10 Republicans refusing to accept a basic truth. Then again, this shouldn’t surprise me. According to a Gallup poll released last summer, 6 in 10 Republicans also said they thought that humans were created, in their present form, 10,000 years ago.
Let’s face it: This is no party of Einsteins. Really, it isn’t. A Pew poll last month found that only 6 percent of scientists said that they were Republicans.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
4:06 pm
DDR,
Let me punch this up a notch and see if you can read it this time.
The police were there the whole time and the only people arrested were the union thugs.
booger
August 8th, 2009
4:09 pm
Taxpayer,
The end of 2009 is four and one half months away. Unless you really believe a miracle will occur, we are in the midst of the second longest recession in modern times. And as I said, the two longest are the only two where the govt. used massive resources to try and bring a quick end.
The recessions of the 70’s and 80,s were as severe as this but they ended without a 787 billion stimulus package.
Mary
August 8th, 2009
4:17 pm
The Trick Palins are the future of the U.S. Get over it. All this edumacated, college-literate crap is for elitists. We need Sarah to usher in the patrioticness of all americaness and Triginess, also, too.
Mary
August 8th, 2009
4:19 pm
God also, too, bless, those who are greatness, and the service, too, therefore of our country, like Truck, who in this Afghanistan, also, too is for serving and progressing the greatness of Trig and others, also, forgetting, also those who seek to destroy everything that Trick has made manifest by God, also thereby, destroying our great flag and this great country. Also. Too.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
4:19 pm
If you were to call me a “midtown queer” to my face, I would make like a union goon and stomp you like a Gladney.
Them’s fighting words.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
4:24 pm
Jefferson and the three stooges?
Paul
August 8th, 2009
4:32 pm
War Dogs of the Pacific. Military Channel. Sunday 8pm Central time
Just ran from 2-3. Well worth the time. There ain’t nothin’ like a good dog.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
4:36 pm
And for those of us in a real time zone that would 9PM Sunday.
Taxpayer
August 8th, 2009
4:36 pm
booger,
Recession of 1902 – 23 months, 1910 – 24 months, 1913 – 23 months, Great Depression – 43 months. Your claims are that 1) this recession is the second longest in modern times but apparently you want to define modern times as extending only back to the Great Depression. Otherwise, this is not the second longest, yet. It may well be before it is over but that is another story yet to be written in the history books, 2) the length of the recession is proportional to government involvement. As for that one, I would really like to see your cause-and-effect analysis that led you to that conclusion. I think it just may form a basis for quite an interesting discussion. Give me some links or just explain your reasoning. You have my attention.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
4:37 pm
Mary you’re a riot!!!
RW: The police were there the whole time and the only people arrested were the union thugs.
RW let ME reiterate. Your video, which you posted as EVIDENCE, did not hold up under scrutiny. You threw in the “The police were there the whole time and the only people arrested were the union thugs,” only AFTER your video was called out. And nowhere in the video do we see “police there the whole time”. We hear POLICE SIRENS arriving later, as if, (gasp!), they were called and were on their way…..hence the need for sirens. If the police were there the whole time, why would they need to use sirens and why did the sires sound so far away?
Please answer. Thanks!
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
4:38 pm
I don’t think these jackas-s democrats realize how bad it is-
It’s difficult for mere mortals like us to fully grasp the enormousness of the Democrats’ hypocrisy. Put aside all that talk of dissent being the highest form of patriotism. Overlook that Democrats would have upended jerry cans of gasoline and immolated themselves in protest if the Bush administration had asked people to inform on their neighbors. You can even forget that the DNC’s claims are untrue.
But how can we ignore the fact that the world’s most famous community organizer is whining about community organizing?-Jonah Goldberg
ByteMe
August 8th, 2009
4:39 pm
Jay, you are correct in being worried that this is merely a lull. Basically, the boys and girls in Washington have taken the correct steps so far so that confidence could be returned to a dysfunctional system that was stuck in the mud with no lender trusting any borrower. We’re starting to see some money move around again, so confidence in the system itself is returning.
However, we have the second leg of this coming. By 2011, half of all mortgages will have a loan value greater than the underlying asset value, so many more foreclosures is a foregone conclusion. Lots of vacant commercial space (what used to be called “big box stores” are now being called “ghost box stores”), so there’s a lot of stress in the commercial paper market as well. Soon we’ll see some bigger developers take a dive and maybe take a large regional bank like Regions with them. The “investment banks” are reporting fake profits only because they’re selling off assets like crazy, but their credit portfolios are still sinking and incurring losses.
This ain’t over. We’re maybe a third of the way through after 2 years. Talk to me in 2012 or 2013 about whether we’re doing better. We might see GDP go slightly positive once stimulus money really starts to get into the system, but we need to grow it by at least 1.5% to make it stick for a while and I doubt we’ll get there with the way consumers are starting to save their money.
Until then, forget “buy and hold” of any stock.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
4:41 pm
DDR,
Do you honestly think that at a scheduled town hall event along with a licensed protest there was no police presence? If so I may as well be discussing this with my rabbit.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
4:42 pm
Oh and the sirens were probably from backup units. It’s a funny quirk of police departments. They don’t like to put their entire force in one place and they call for help as needed.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
4:48 pm
Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life’s end would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and fact. Yes, it’s good to have a doctor’s perspective. But Section 1233 goes beyond facilitating doctor input to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party — the government — recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care and their associated providers, professions and organizations. You don’t have to be a right-wing wacko to question that approach.-Washington Post
Aahhh, yes.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 8th, 2009
4:51 pm
Well, this DebbieDoesEverybody got the right idea. Let somebody else have the baby and then spoil it rotten. When things get kind of nasty, you can just leave. That’s how I got it with my grandson, little Sonny Zell George–soon to be Casey Zell George as soon as we can get to a judge. In another couple years somebody’s going to decide old Sonny is the most worst guvner we ever had, and I don’t want my grandkid stuck with his name.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Dusty
August 8th, 2009
4:51 pm
From Jay Bookman @ 2:09
“Such lovely people dropping by on a Saturday to pay a visit.”
Jay, they read your commentary and thought they had been invited.
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
4:52 pm
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi
You Whine 
August 8th, 2009
12:21 pm
And it will be reported in the same way when we reach the same point in this recovery.
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi :-) You Whine :-(
August 8th, 2009
4:59 pm
Still to come are more write-downs of loans on the banks’ books. The business default rate exceeds 11 percent, and is headed toward 13 percent, compared with 2.4 percent last year. Business are loaded down with over $1 trillion in high-yield bonds and loans, and so will have to concentrate on debt repayment before they can undertake major new investments. The number of prime borrowers behind on their mortgage payments rose 13.8 percent between March and June, according to a study by Standard & Poor. Delinquencies on consumer credit cards are rising. And estimates are that some $30 billion in loans backed by commercial property will have trouble getting renewed, and might end up having to be written off.
And all is not well in the credit markets. Loans held by the 15 largest banks declined by 2.8 percent in the second quarter, with new businesses still unable to get loan officers to stamp “OK” on their applications.
Most ominous, the massive deficits, soon to be increased by an estimated $20 billion over five years to finance the training and expansion of the Afghan army, are forcing the Treasury to auction off more and more IOUs.
But hey, “only” a quarter of a million people got laid off last month, yay!
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
5:01 pm
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi
You Whine 
August 8th, 2009
4:48 pm
But it helps to be a rigt-wing wacko. We’re notorious for procrastinating on such issues. It’s a review that’s all. I’d object on the grounds we can’t afford it, but I guess enough people would make the “right” decision to offset the additonal costs. There are thousands wasting away in nursing homes or on life support right now that wish they had, but they waited too long to sign on the dotted line.
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
5:04 pm
DDR, Do you honestly think that at a scheduled town hall event along with a licensed protest there was no police presence? If so I may as well be discussing this with my rabbit.
RW you’re giving me a lot of suppositions but not any FACTS to back up your claim. Since when has a townhall meeting had the police mandatorily present? And, I seriously doubt that at a townhall meeting someone filed a writ to have a “licensed protest rally”!!! The Union people who showed up had a legal right to show up because the townhall meeting pertained to them. They didn’t need any license and they definitely didn’t need any to show up at a townhall meeting geard toward their community.
It seems you make up things as you go along. Your original post, nor your second, said anything about police or license etc., etc., it was only when you were CHALLENGED did you brig the police and licensed protesters out your azz. It’s almost as if you just made it up by the skin of your teeth just so that you can win an argument. Maybe you need to talk to someone with a G.E.D. — perhaps they’ll believe anything you post.
PS: And before you change the subject by attacking me for mentioning people with G.E.D.’s; GET A LIFE!
DebbieDoRight
August 8th, 2009
5:06 pm
Redneck: Well, this DebbieDoesEverybody got the right idea. Let somebody else have the baby and then spoil it rotten
That’s what aunties are supposed to do!!!
PS: I’d loose the Casey name too!! In a couple of years, that name will probably be just as bad as a Clinton!!
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
5:09 pm
I Report/ Health Care Industry Plant/ Nazi
You Whine 
August 8th, 2009
4:59 pm
Root, root, root for the home team! Bush’s house of credit cards is tumbling down. Who would have thought so many businesses had to borrow to meet payroll, even with 70% of them not having any employees? And that’s just the ones that pay income taxes. There are many that don’t.
RW-(the original)
August 8th, 2009
5:12 pm
DDR,
Have you ever been to a town hall meeting? How about one that was scheduled after a week of top level Democratics calling their opposition Nazi’s that needed to be punched twice as hard, by the President no less?
booger
August 8th, 2009
5:13 pm
Taxpayer,
This is not an analysis, it’s an observation. There is quite a difference.
TnGelding
August 8th, 2009
5:23 pm
ByteMe
August 8th, 2009
4:39 pm
A foregone conclusion? Even if the homes are underwater, it would make sense to stay in them because they will recover their value and it wouldn’t be any cheaper to live in another home, especially when you figure in the moving cost and other expenses.
Dusty
August 8th, 2009
5:27 pm
TnGelding,@4:52
What recovery? I haven’t met anyone who thinks we are in a recovery. If you want to juggle some figures and call it recovery, go ahead.
But I find it hard to believe when I see homes for sale (some foreclosed or bank owned) everywhere I go,. I hear about numerous people looking for a long time for jobs (one in my family ), Medium sized malls with hardly an open store, big malls with few shoppers,
Prices in grocery stores are creeping up and gasoline goes up and down. Even in the afternoon in surburban Atlanta, there are workers waiting on corners for someone to stop and give them work.
A friend of mine who works for a company that sells medical supplies said the main business office had just cut ten employees because orders were not coming in. So it goes.
Almost every state in the union is low on funds, because there is little profit anywhere to tax. Raising taxes is not a cure all. It just adds another burden to those who are already struggling.
If this is a recovery, I would like to see, at least, some evidence of it. Right now, it only looks like something Democrats want to believe. That does not make it reality.
ByteMe
August 8th, 2009
5:27 pm
TnG: if you’re already struggling — and with unemployment topping out in the mid-11’s lots of people are struggling — and your overpriced house has no equity, then you shed the debt you can get out of the easiest and that’s the home mortgage. Tell the bank you aren’t paying any more, you get about 30-60 days to get out with your stuff and rent a place. Screws with your credit score, but at that point, you just need to get out of one of the things that’s killing you and get on with your life. And it’s not as bad as declaring bankruptcy.
Jay
August 8th, 2009
5:37 pm
Right, Dusty. It’s all my fault, I provoked it.
Thanks for your wisdom in pointing that out, much appreciated.
Dusty
August 8th, 2009
5:45 pm
TnGelding,
You had to do it, didn’t you? There it was ,”Bush’s house of credit cards is tumbling down”.La la la la The same old lib song and dance. And…. if Bush didn’t do it, Reagan did.
You need some new lines. How about “To be broke is better”, “Do LIttle Debts” (thank you, Debbie) or “Three Trillion Aint Much”.or “Get sick and die or suffer the consequences”. As a last resort you could say “Obama dun did it”.
Anyway, Bush didn’t do it. Palin didn’t do it. Reagan didn’t do it. There. Try it. You’ll like it.