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		<title>By: Camak Stone, border marker between Tennessee and Georgia, is missing &#124; Fresh Loaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camak Stone, border marker between Tennessee and Georgia, is missing &#124; Fresh Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting, and a whole other topic of discussion, is that this argument, as Jay Bookman aptly put it in an Aug, 4 column, is more about prosperity than a natural resource. Proponents of moving the border say that the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Dixie Kitty.  Why should it be Florida or Alabama&#039;s water when Lake Lanier is in Georgia? How does another state have the right to something that isn&#039;t in their state?  Alabama has Lake Martin near Auburn/Opelika.  They have Logan-Martin near Birmingham.  Why do they need water from Lake Lanier.  And like someone else mentioned if you go don I-85 to Lanette/Valley, Al right on the Ga/Al line the Chattahoochie is always flowing full even during our worst droughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Dixie Kitty.  Why should it be Florida or Alabama&#8217;s water when Lake Lanier is in Georgia? How does another state have the right to something that isn&#8217;t in their state?  Alabama has Lake Martin near Auburn/Opelika.  They have Logan-Martin near Birmingham.  Why do they need water from Lake Lanier.  And like someone else mentioned if you go don I-85 to Lanette/Valley, Al right on the Ga/Al line the Chattahoochie is always flowing full even during our worst droughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Daedalus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Jay. 

As for those that claim that Atlanta is subsidized by the rest of the state, it just ain&#039;t so and repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.  GSU Prof Bluestone recently provided a report  [http://aysps.gsu.edu/frc/files/Rpt_188FIN.pdf] that shows that metro Atlanta pays more in state taxes than it receives -- the report states:

&#039;We find that the Atlanta metropolitan area generates more revenue than it receives in expenditures...&quot; 

I remember that when this report came out a few months ago Jim Wooten had a hissy fit since it didn&#039;t fit his opinion that metro Atlanta was subsidized by the rest of the state.  

As for those that think the water issue is the City&#039;s problem -- that&#039;s simply not so.  Its Gwinnett County that gets its water from Lake Lanier, not the city.  Atlanta takes its water from the Hooch -- Georgia is a riparian rights state, if you live next to the river, you can take as much water as the state permitting system will allow.  The failure to plan is Gwinnett&#039;s, not Atlanta&#039;s.  

A couple of years ago the City bought land along the NW corridor of the Beltline for a drinking water reservoir and park [http://www.pondco.com/portfolios/cd-lh.html] -- which shows the City is at least trying to think about future water needs -- without simply sticking a straw in Lake Lanier or annexing Tennessee.  

A better question is whether Atlanta will actually be able to pull off building the reservoir or the Beltline at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Jay. </p>
<p>As for those that claim that Atlanta is subsidized by the rest of the state, it just ain&#8217;t so and repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.  GSU Prof Bluestone recently provided a report  [http://aysps.gsu.edu/frc/files/Rpt_188FIN.pdf] that shows that metro Atlanta pays more in state taxes than it receives &#8212; the report states:</p>
<p>&#8216;We find that the Atlanta metropolitan area generates more revenue than it receives in expenditures&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I remember that when this report came out a few months ago Jim Wooten had a hissy fit since it didn&#8217;t fit his opinion that metro Atlanta was subsidized by the rest of the state.  </p>
<p>As for those that think the water issue is the City&#8217;s problem &#8212; that&#8217;s simply not so.  Its Gwinnett County that gets its water from Lake Lanier, not the city.  Atlanta takes its water from the Hooch &#8212; Georgia is a riparian rights state, if you live next to the river, you can take as much water as the state permitting system will allow.  The failure to plan is Gwinnett&#8217;s, not Atlanta&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>A couple of years ago the City bought land along the NW corridor of the Beltline for a drinking water reservoir and park [http://www.pondco.com/portfolios/cd-lh.html] &#8212; which shows the City is at least trying to think about future water needs &#8212; without simply sticking a straw in Lake Lanier or annexing Tennessee.  </p>
<p>A better question is whether Atlanta will actually be able to pull off building the reservoir or the Beltline at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixie Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dixie Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading all about this &quot;water war&quot;; however, no one has yet to explain to me why Florida and Alabama believe they have the rights to water that is in Georgia.  If the water was in Alabama, I would understand; if the water was in Florida, I would understand.  But this water is in Georgia and it seems to me that water in Georgia should be used for Georgia as it flows down stream.  Once it flows into other states and pools there in their lakes and reseviors, then it is their water and not Georgia&#039;s.  But then I do tend to see things in black and white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading all about this &#8220;water war&#8221;; however, no one has yet to explain to me why Florida and Alabama believe they have the rights to water that is in Georgia.  If the water was in Alabama, I would understand; if the water was in Florida, I would understand.  But this water is in Georgia and it seems to me that water in Georgia should be used for Georgia as it flows down stream.  Once it flows into other states and pools there in their lakes and reseviors, then it is their water and not Georgia&#8217;s.  But then I do tend to see things in black and white.</p>
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		<title>By: Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, not so sure you have your facts right about the amount spent by the state for economic development outside of the Metro area. Atlanta has plenty of growth.  Spreading it around will be good for the whole state.

That said, you are dead on about Alabama.  Their biggest problem is they are in Alabama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, not so sure you have your facts right about the amount spent by the state for economic development outside of the Metro area. Atlanta has plenty of growth.  Spreading it around will be good for the whole state.</p>
<p>That said, you are dead on about Alabama.  Their biggest problem is they are in Alabama.</p>
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		<title>By: ATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for telling it like it is on this issue-- truer words have seldom been spoken...
to think Atlanta&#039;s loss will be rural Georgia or Alabama&#039;s gain shows how truly out of touch with reality these folks are-- its about the open attitudes, workforce quality, education levels, the arts and cultural opportunities that go with being a big city-- not about state &#039;promotion&#039; or cheap land... Wake up Macon, Mongomery and Hahira, Atlanta&#039;s loss is Ga&#039;s loss, and the region&#039;s loss as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for telling it like it is on this issue&#8211; truer words have seldom been spoken&#8230;<br />
to think Atlanta&#8217;s loss will be rural Georgia or Alabama&#8217;s gain shows how truly out of touch with reality these folks are&#8211; its about the open attitudes, workforce quality, education levels, the arts and cultural opportunities that go with being a big city&#8211; not about state &#8216;promotion&#8217; or cheap land&#8230; Wake up Macon, Mongomery and Hahira, Atlanta&#8217;s loss is Ga&#8217;s loss, and the region&#8217;s loss as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Beowulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beowulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I - like many others here - find myself amazed and in complete agreement with Bookman!  I have had thoughts along these lines for a while - but I want to take it one step further.

Alabama and Florida will certainly agree to let Atlanta keep taking drinking water from Lanier.  But now that it is considered &quot;theirs&quot;, look for them to ask for a steep monetary cost to balance it out.  In other words, we will pay them big bucks for any increases in future withdrawals - the status quo works when we are not in drought.  But if ATL returns to massive growth circa 1990&#039;s, it will need larger set-asides from the lake.  That&#039;s when we will start paying big $$$$.  Look for it to happen in Gwinnett first, they don&#039;t really have many other sources.  Counties north and east of Gwinnett can add other reservoirs (I know Hall already has commissioned some), and their populations are lower.  Downstream, the Allatoona-Coosa/Alabama River basin can be tapped as well, depending on separate rulings there.  

I&#039;d be amenable to paying them for extra water only if Alabama and Florida residents in the watershed also have to follow the same restrictions and conservation measures.  Waste down there is no less damaging than waste here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I &#8211; like many others here &#8211; find myself amazed and in complete agreement with Bookman!  I have had thoughts along these lines for a while &#8211; but I want to take it one step further.</p>
<p>Alabama and Florida will certainly agree to let Atlanta keep taking drinking water from Lanier.  But now that it is considered &#8220;theirs&#8221;, look for them to ask for a steep monetary cost to balance it out.  In other words, we will pay them big bucks for any increases in future withdrawals &#8211; the status quo works when we are not in drought.  But if ATL returns to massive growth circa 1990&#8217;s, it will need larger set-asides from the lake.  That&#8217;s when we will start paying big $$$$.  Look for it to happen in Gwinnett first, they don&#8217;t really have many other sources.  Counties north and east of Gwinnett can add other reservoirs (I know Hall already has commissioned some), and their populations are lower.  Downstream, the Allatoona-Coosa/Alabama River basin can be tapped as well, depending on separate rulings there.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be amenable to paying them for extra water only if Alabama and Florida residents in the watershed also have to follow the same restrictions and conservation measures.  Waste down there is no less damaging than waste here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Boland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely agree with Mr. Bookman but he is right on with his comments on this issue. Sonny pass the Biscuits&quot; Perdue has helped destroy the credibility of Georgia as it relates the the &quot;water wars&quot; and transportation issues facing the state. 

As far as, the urban/rural divide that has plagued Atlanta for decades; It doesn&#039;t matter how much water you have and how many divided four lane highways you build connecting Willacoochee and Hahira if you don&#039;t have a work force that has a level of legitimate education exceeding the third grade you are not going to atttract quality employers. Be honest, it is not the Metro Atlanta area that has held the state back. In fact, if not for Atlanta we would be in the same pitiful shape as Mississippi and Alabama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely agree with Mr. Bookman but he is right on with his comments on this issue. Sonny pass the Biscuits&#8221; Perdue has helped destroy the credibility of Georgia as it relates the the &#8220;water wars&#8221; and transportation issues facing the state. </p>
<p>As far as, the urban/rural divide that has plagued Atlanta for decades; It doesn&#8217;t matter how much water you have and how many divided four lane highways you build connecting Willacoochee and Hahira if you don&#8217;t have a work force that has a level of legitimate education exceeding the third grade you are not going to atttract quality employers. Be honest, it is not the Metro Atlanta area that has held the state back. In fact, if not for Atlanta we would be in the same pitiful shape as Mississippi and Alabama.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifelong Gwinnett Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelong Gwinnett Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay is right and I will go another step further:  Given current posturing who is the bigger threat to your security in Gwinnett: Bob Riley or Osama bin Laden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay is right and I will go another step further:  Given current posturing who is the bigger threat to your security in Gwinnett: Bob Riley or Osama bin Laden?</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell has frozen over! I agree with Bookman! Brilliant article that is the first I have read that hints at the truth of this issue. I have always maintained that Alabama&#039;s dog in this fight is the economic ruin of Atlanta,  When the ruling was handed down Governor Riley&#039;s first response was something like, &quot;This ruling will be an economic boon to Alabama.&quot; 

Florida and Alabama have just done a MUCH better job of spreading their propaganda. Check out the USGS website and look for the map that shows water consumption along the Chattahoochee. Atlanta consumes very little of what is used. Most is used by power plants south of Columbus.

Do you  know  that in the wake of this ruling the citizens of Dothan, Alabama are considering building a reservoir to draw from the Chattahoochee. A power company is wanting to build a coal fired power plant (they use an immense amount of water) in southwest Georgia. It too will draw water from the Hooch  to generate electricity to sell to Florida. 

I think a Pulitizer prize level investigation of this issue is just waiting for some smart journalist to pick up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell has frozen over! I agree with Bookman! Brilliant article that is the first I have read that hints at the truth of this issue. I have always maintained that Alabama&#8217;s dog in this fight is the economic ruin of Atlanta,  When the ruling was handed down Governor Riley&#8217;s first response was something like, &#8220;This ruling will be an economic boon to Alabama.&#8221; </p>
<p>Florida and Alabama have just done a MUCH better job of spreading their propaganda. Check out the USGS website and look for the map that shows water consumption along the Chattahoochee. Atlanta consumes very little of what is used. Most is used by power plants south of Columbus.</p>
<p>Do you  know  that in the wake of this ruling the citizens of Dothan, Alabama are considering building a reservoir to draw from the Chattahoochee. A power company is wanting to build a coal fired power plant (they use an immense amount of water) in southwest Georgia. It too will draw water from the Hooch  to generate electricity to sell to Florida. </p>
<p>I think a Pulitizer prize level investigation of this issue is just waiting for some smart journalist to pick up.</p>
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