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Scooter
July 28th, 2009
2:55 pm
Thanks for answering my question everyone.
RW-(the original)
July 28th, 2009
2:56 pm
Does it really matter if my treatment is refused or postponed by a government decision or an insurance company decision?
Hillbilly Deluxe,
You have methods of fighting the insurance company decisions as well as the ability to switch providers, but once it’s the government’s decision you’re stuck with it.
electrician
July 28th, 2009
2:58 pm
wow1 702 COMMENTS…WHO NEEDS JAY
Scooter
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
md,I don’t have coverage now. So I take it that I will be forced to pay for it. I can always go to the VA for help. Would that exempt me from the HC bill?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
Because Turd they already have a great plan that we pay for.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
3:05 pm
md
July 28th, 2009
2:36 pm
But how do you change that mindset?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:44 pm
I’m surprised it hasn’t crashed and burned already.
Take it Up the Backside
July 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
No, I wouldn’t and I don’t He was too young and inexperienced to start out running. He’s still on training wheels. At this point all we can do is give him more time. But none of the stuff you mentioned is catastrophic. And some things attributed to him were out of his control or he didn’t do. And some just aren’t factual. But you made a good point.
electrician
July 28th, 2009
3:06 pm
honeslty, this thing has a life of its own,..THANK YOU ..MY FELLOW AMERICANS … FOR HAVING AN OPINION
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
3:07 pm
Take it Up the Backside
July 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
And if you’re counting, it’s only 3 years 5 months and 23 days.
md
July 28th, 2009
3:09 pm
“Does it really matter if my treatment is refused or postponed by a government decision or an insurance company decision?”
I remember the old days when one’s opinion about the gov’t would be “keep your grubby nose out of my business”.
Today, open invitation by many to butt their nose in. Pitiful.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
3:10 pm
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
UH…YEA!! and your point?
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
3:10 pm
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
UH…YEA!! and your point?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
2:48 pm
Thanks for the input. I remember when doctors were the last ones to get paid. That’s how the insurance companies became so entrenched.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
Barry!
He’s Scary!
Disgusted
July 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
Does anyone, other than those currently without health insurance or else very under-insured, expect to benefit from whatever reforms pass through Congress? Not being snarky here–just curious about opinions.
electrician
July 28th, 2009
3:17 pm
WISH i COULD JUMP IN BUT i’M AT WORK AND BIG BROTHER IS WATCHIN, KEEP IT ROLLIN
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
3:17 pm
Disgusted
July 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
No, my thinking is we’re going to have to give up something to cover those without. Which I really don’t mind, but it shouldn’t be necessary if done “right”.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
If you have insurance through your employer, you have no realistic chance of changing providers, especially in today’s job market. As for fighting insurance company decisions, you better have plenty of time, money, and patience. And if you try to change companies at that point you’ve got a pre-existing condition to contend with.
Somebody mentioned the Utah plan. Can anybody shed a little light on that for those of us who aren’t familiar with it?
Scooter
July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm
Disgusted @ 3:13, Even after all I’ve read about this subject, I am having a hard time forming an opinion and Idon’t have coverage.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
Hillbilly,
What happens in Utah with your 3 smokin’ hot wives, stays in Utah with your 3 smokin’ hot wives.
That’s the Utah plan!
Paul
July 28th, 2009
3:34 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe
This column sets out the basics and how Utah’s approach to problem-solving differs from what we see in Washington.
Reforming (Healthcare) Reform the Utah Way
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/park090726.htm
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
3:35 pm
TnG @3:17
I agree with you. Unfortunately, the politicians don’t care about getting this “right”. None of them, not the Dems or Repubs, give a rat’s @ss about our health care. It’s all about power and control. I don’t trust any of them to craft a fair plan. There is no valid reason to try to jam this through in such a rush.
md
July 28th, 2009
3:36 pm
“But how do you change that mindset?”
For one, no unconditional hand outs. For example – If one dropped out of school, s/he should be required to choose to re-enroll in exchange for assistance.
Food stamps – ok, do litter detail along the highway, etc. Something, anything.
Once uncle sugar starts giving money, help with no strings attached, it becomes a lifestyle choice. I have seen and heard folks on gov’t assistance refer to their monthly check as a “paycheck”. Why bother to choose to work when others can make that choice and work for both of us.
There is nothing wrong with a hand up, but hand outs should be earned. But if the democratic party actually helped people better their circumstances and people realized that they can do without uncle sugar, then the dems would loose votes. Certainly don’t want that to happen.
md
July 28th, 2009
3:40 pm
“md,I don’t have coverage now. So I take it that I will be forced to pay for it. I can always go to the VA for help. Would that exempt me from the HC bill?”
As I understand it, you will have to get it through the exchange unless you can access a gov’t plan through the VA. Either way, you will be forced to get it through one or the other.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
3:42 pm
Hillbilly writes: “What happens if you have insurance but through illness or injury you hit your lifetime coverage limit (I know people who have)? What you going to do then? All your careful planning is out the window then.”
Now that is the kicker! That is what keeps us that “know” up at night. Anyone on here could have a wreck on the way home and within days be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and financially ruined – not just me but my wife and kid!
I have a great job, no copay, great benefits – heck, $25 gets you a new set of spectacles. But all it takes is one glance at the radio knob or one sneeze at the wrong time…and, if the insurance limits are hit, you start paying out of pocket — your life is completely ruined.
People in Canada and France don’t go bankrupt beacuse of health care bills! On your way home count the number of dumbazz drivers who are putting your future in jeapardy by tailgating, driving slow in the left lane, switching back and forth in lanes.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
3:43 pm
md,
In the world of social welfare programs, there are no “unconditional” handouts. Sorry, learn more about the system if you are going to criticize.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
3:45 pm
Thanks Paul. I’ll read that.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
3:46 pm
Pennsylvania, I gree with everything but the last sentence.
I say you have to start somewhere…we can always change it again later. We just need to get the ball rolling.
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
3:49 pm
Maybe you are correct. After all, we are going to have at least 5 days to review the bill. Right?
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
3:52 pm
Who needs 5 days…why even read the darn thing.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
3:53 pm
md writes: There is nothing wrong with a hand up, but hand outs should be earned
I suppose you take advantage of no tax breaks in your small business? You don’t take any of the small business welfare offerings? That’s what it is, md, it’s corporate welfare.
The whole american system is built on a system of welfare for corporations and businesses. What do you think farm subsidies are? What are bank bailouts? Capitalism isn’t alive here. We’ve been in a socialist state since Reagan was elected.
Md, could you run your business succesfully without the government hand-outs? the tax breaks? the loopholes? the subsidies? If you can, then how do you feel about your competitors who need the handouts and are taking full advantage of them?
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
3:54 pm
The government does not need to be called upon to provide folks with insurance. That is just plain stoopid. First, we need to get rid of this mess called Medicare and Medicaid ’cause it is just taxpayer- funded insurance for old folks. Then, we need to get rid of this FEMA backed flood insurance ’cause people should know better than to live where it floods. Then, we need to get rid of the VA hospitals and such ’cause they mess up more wounded soldiers than they fix and private insurers could do a lot better with them. Then, we need to shut down all them doctors and stuff that are paid for with the tax payer’s money that are right there in D.C. almost in the same offices as the congressmen are in ’cause they only take care of congressmen and they do it at no charge to the congressmen. They send the bills to the tax payers. “Course, this is just the beginning of the problems with government provided insurance. I mean, what do we need government insuring us against terrorist attacks for anyway. I’ve never been attacked but the government wants me to pay for the insurance even when I don’t want it. This is just plain silly to be required to pay for all these different insurance programs that I don’t use but other folks do use. It just ain’t right, either.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
3:54 pm
You think the reading the bill will be fun just wait until you see the flowchart. Looks like some mis-mash drawn by a 6th grader.
md
July 28th, 2009
3:54 pm
“In the world of social welfare programs, there are no “unconditional” handouts. Sorry, learn more about the system if you are going to criticize.”
Maybe near you, but I witnessed it first hand on many occasions. There are many that play the system, happens everyday. Ask yourself why there is so much fraud in medicare and medicaid. I’ve learned plenty – first hand.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
4:02 pm
md,
“I’ve learned plenty – first hand”
So have I. There are no unconditional handouts in the social welfare program. Sure there is abuse, there is abuse in any system.
It’s just easier to blame the people on social welfare programs because it makes you feel somewhat superior to them – they are an easy target. Where’s all the outrage for other programs where there is abuse and fraud? They get handouts and you don’t, so somehow that makes you better, and it’s harder to criticize individuals who get government handouts through corporate loopholes. It’s the same thing, but the social taboos associated and labeled by the poor or disabled who need assistance somehow make them easier to blame for any of the financial problems in our country.
Just remember, in a capitalistic society, there will always be poor people. It’s just that simple.
I’ve asked this question many times on this blog with no one being able to answer it:
Name one social welfare program where people get money just because they don’t want to work.
Actually, that’s a statement.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
4:03 pm
Paul:
Read the piece about the Utah plan. I’d love to see Gov. Sonny propose doing something like that here in Georgia, of course I’d hate to be swinging from a rope until that happened. The details would need to be argued over and worked out but at least it’d be a start.
I listened to the Obama speech and he did an incredibly poor selling job for his plan. After watching all that I still don’t understand how it would work for me. I’m very leary (sp?) of his plan but I don’t think what we have now works either.
I’ve often seen you ask if we were starting from scratch what should we have. For me, I don’t have the answer to that but I know I wouldn’t want it to be the system we have now.
Kamchak
July 28th, 2009
4:04 pm
Bosch
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2009/July/28/injured-ribery-likely-to-miss-season-start/
Good news/bad news/fair news—Ribery is staying at Bayern Munich/he has injuries/they’re not that bad
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
4:08 pm
Kamchak,
Oh YEAH!! Bayern Munich is one of my fav clubs. I read your post earlier – congrats to the Blues! And yeah, that sucked about the Golden Cup. Mexico – pssshaw!
Kamchak
July 28th, 2009
4:25 pm
Bosch
The gold cup matches were basically played by the “B” team—the big game is coming up in August. A WC qualifier against Mexico at El Azteca stadium in Mexico City—high altitude and bad air in a hostile environment. I understand that you play. Do you have a preference in the brand of boot you wear?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
4:26 pm
Maybe this is the solution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8OIl9t9hjk&feature=related
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
4:36 pm
FrankLee
But if you killed all the poor, how would you know who the last poor person and the first middle class person were?
Swami Dave
July 28th, 2009
4:43 pm
Instead of creating another entitlement based on questionable promises of how it would be financed, I propose another alternative to the plan proponents on this thread.
My alternative would be for the government to initiate all of the promised cost-savings, eliminations of fraud / waste / abuse, and glowingly optimistic economic projections of growth and revenues NOW and as the alleged revenues are realized, earmark any money that materializes to a help-you-pay-your-health-care fund.
Any of the mythical money that is allegedly going “to pay” for the new boondoggle and produce anything approximating the promised “revenue-neutrality” could be targeted toward this little pet project.
If the economic forecasts are wrong (which they are), the taxpayers would not be on the hook to bailout another socialist debacle.
If the alleged cost savings to be realized by elimination of fraud / waste / abuse do indeed not materialize (as most would rationally expect), taxpayers and those currently paying for their health care / health insurance will not have those costs transferred onto them.
If the promised “competition” provided by government as an payor does not offer the decrease in costs (but actually leads to higher costs and fewer choices), the taxpayers will not have a growing pool of dependents stampeding to an option that they (the taxpayers, not those benefiting from the coverage) are having to fund.
Net-Net: -IF- this doomed plan actually beats the historical odds for socialist scams and experiences some success, its funding will come from its own success; not on the backs of taxpayers. -IF- it fails as do all tax-and-spend redistributionist schemes, then it will not be the taxpayers left to again pay the bill for never-ending benefits that individuals should provide for themselves.
Now, that’s a “compromise” that I’d expect liberals could agree (unless they already know the plan is a sham doomed to failure and, like Speaker-PE, Leade-RE, and Prez-BO, are simply hoping to ram through a scam as quickly as possible for political reasons).
-SD
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
4:46 pm
“But if you killed all the poor, how would you know who the last poor person and the first middle class person were?”
Not a problem. The middle class would then be the new poor. Start over.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
4:55 pm
well lets just start with uninsured
Paul
July 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
Hillybilly Deluxe
[[I listened to the Obama speech and he did an incredibly poor selling job for his plan. After watching all that I still don’t understand how it would work for me. I’m very leary (sp?) of his plan but I don’t think what we have now works either.]]
I said before the speech I thought Pres Obama needed to get down to the common level – watch some recordings of Pres Clinton, he was a master at it. Obama didn’t and, I think, many Americans were put off further. “I elected this guy to fix health care and he punts to Pelosi & company and the come up with 1,000 pages in a few days and no one can tell me what it means to me?!!?”
talk about frustration -
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
5:22 pm
Paul,
Very valid point. Every analysis of the plan I’ve read uses really vague words like “might” and “could” and such. I want to read the real deal without all the lawyerese and it to tell me what it “will” mean.
The thing is no one knows what this will evolve into, but when the system we have is so flawed, it can’t suck more.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
5:27 pm
Kamchak,
“Do you have a preference in the brand of boot you wear?”
Nah. I’m not that particular. I haven’t played serious soccer in a long time (which even then it wasn’t “serious”), I was lucky to get whatever I could find. My son is all about the boots though. I didn’t even know there were different kinds for a long time (different ones depending on the field) until he “explained” this to me. I always tell him that it isn’t the boots that make the player. Now, I just borrow my sons old ones because they are broken in.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
5:29 pm
Paul,
Not lawyerese – but plainer language. I’m a simpleton.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
5:30 pm
Bosch
[[The thing is no one knows what this will evolve into, but when the system we have is so flawed, it can’t suck more.]]
Pessimist – knows that things are really, really bad and are about as bad as it can get
Optimist – knows that no matter how bad things seem, they can ALWAYS get worse!
Pogo
July 28th, 2009
5:30 pm
Obama did a poor job because he has no plan. Obama has to rely on Pelosi (boy, that must instill a lot of confidence in his heart), Reid, Rangle and Dodd. Obama’s plan is pretty much just saying “it has to be done”. “Crap on the details”. That is this man’s problem. His ego is such that he thinks that if he declares an edict, then it must be right and it must be done. After all, the media has told him so because he is the first black president and as such, he must be wise. More to the fact of the matter, this man is proving to be a “babe in the woods”. And all of those that support him are like people that buy a new car and find out that consumer reports says that the car is full of problems after they buy it. They will still defend their choice because gosh darnit, they made that choice and they are too embarassed to say different. This guy and his White House staff are faulty merchandise. Pelosi, Reid and Rangle will flush him like yesterdays waste whenever it goes bad for him but they will still be there. They don’t have to take the blame because they know that their constituents will continue to elect them not matter what. These people have made a career out shifting blame.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
5:30 pm
I told you they would fight for their careers-
Because sometimes, they just don’t see you. It’s one of the most frustrating verities of African-American life. Sometimes you simply know: They are looking your way but seeing their fears, their preconceptions, their stereotypes, that other black guy who did them wrong – everything except the one and only you.-Leonard Pitts
Or he might have “saw” someone who was yelling at him and talking about his mother.
What would Mr. Pitts do without his little racism boogeymen?
Have to grow up?
DoggoneGA
July 28th, 2009
5:39 pm
“well lets just start with uninsured”
We could always follow Shakespeares advice: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”
Scooter
July 28th, 2009
5:48 pm
Doggone, I like your idea best. There has to be as many lawyers as uninsured. By the time they can get all of them, I have Obamacare and will be safe!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 28th, 2009
5:50 pm
Well, I’m with this Dave R. Just round up all the savings from cutting the waste first. Then figure out how much you got and work up a health plan that costs the same thing. I figure they might could cobble together 600 bucks or so, the way they see things. Just send everybody a aspirin and tell them not to swallow it all at once. Have a good night everybody.
Kamchak
July 28th, 2009
5:51 pm
Bosch
I didn’t know there were that many either until Eurosport sent me a catalogue. I’ve never played but I wear futsal boots as leisure shoes mainly because no one else is wearing anything like them and I have yet to see anyone else wear Umbro.
Dan Dawg
July 28th, 2009
5:53 pm
The rainbow trout is a propaganda photo, just like his editorials. He may have it now, but someone else caught it. We all know a liberal would not work to catch a fish if they can take it from someone who did work for it.
DoggoneGA
July 28th, 2009
5:54 pm
“Just round up all the savings from cutting the waste first”
And since the insurance industry hasn’t done that already, how do you propose it BE done without some kind of government regulation? And if it’s going to take government “interference” – well, might as well go whole hog and reform the whole system. Funny, isn’t it? That’s what they’re trying to do NOW.
DoggoneGA
July 28th, 2009
5:57 pm
“We all know a liberal ”
I’ve known for a long time…but it’s being brought home to me with great emphasis…but there are some truly UGLY people in this world.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
6:25 pm
I like that idea of cuttin’ out waste and fraud and stuff and usin’ that money to help the citizens too. I especially like it that they cut those worthless F-22 aeroplanes. Nothin’ but flyin’ money pits. They need to do a lot more of that kind of cuttin’, like aircraft carriers that we don’t need to go along with the planes that we don’t need. Besides, if we ever need any of that stuff, we should just borrow it from our friends and lenders of first and last resort, the Chinamen. We’ll just promise to return them when we’re through with them and in as good a shape as they were when we borrowed them. Maybe even with a fresh coat of lead-based paint just to make ‘em look all spiffy.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
6:36 pm
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 39% would opt for their Democratic opponent.
heh
@@
July 28th, 2009
6:40 pm
Since we’re stuck in this thread until the 3rd, I’m can come and go as I please to follow up. No one here to call it a catfight.
For Ms. Groaner Upper in the (cough) U.K.
@@ -
oh, you didn’t just go there with infant mortality, did you???
I did!!!…but only in the one instance. A three-year old is not considered an infant.
You’re on shaky ground with those numbers, poseur.
Behind the Baby Count
All things are not equal. Your knowledge is below average.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
6:55 pm
In Colorado, 14 people have fallen ill from hamburger meat tainted with antibiotic-resistent salmonella, the Boulder newspaper Daily Camera reports. (Note that antibiotic-resistant salmonella is distinct from MRSA, an antibiotic-resistant staph infection, increasingly associated with industrial meat production, that kills 20,000 Americans each year–more than AIDS.)
Those folks shore don’t need to be waistin’ their money on health inshorance since that stuff is resistent to anti biotics anyway. Besides, they shoulda knowed better then to eat bad meat. I always smell mine first before I even waste the coal to cook it on.
Bud Wiser
July 28th, 2009
6:58 pm
Obama and the Democrats proposed health ‘care’ adjustments, in my opinion, draw a very dark similarity in style and substance as far as the bleak outlook for senior citizens to Adolph Hitler and the Nazis approach to dealing with the Jews.
And the really sick funny part of it is that AARP and most of the Jews in this country voted for him.
And sicker still is the belief of the black and minorities in this person to the point that one must assume they have no parents over the age of 55, are not that old themselves, or that “it don’t apply to us cause we gots Obama”.
You can’t legislate smart from stupid, and the Obamaniacs are, quite simply, a collection of stupid racist morons.
jt
July 28th, 2009
7:04 pm
Sweet potatos are distintly AMERICAN.
Sweet potatoes are native to the tropical parts of South America, and were domesticated there at least 5000 years ago.
They grow well in many farming conditions and have few natural enemies; pesticides are rarely needed. Sweet potatoes are grown on a variety of soils, but well-drained light and medium textured soils with a pH range of 4.5-7.0 are more favourable for the plant (Woolfe, 1992; Ahn, 1993). They can be grown in poor soils with little fertilizer. However, sweet potatoes are very sensitive to aluminium toxicity and will die about 6 weeks after planting if lime is not applied at planting in this type of soil (Woolfe, 1992). Because they are sown by vine cuttings rather than seeds, sweet potatoes are relatively easy to plant. Because the rapidly growing vines shade out weeds, little weeding is needed, and farmers can devote time to other crops. In the tropics the crop can be maintained in the ground and harvested as needed for market or home consumption. In temperate regions sweet potatoes are most often grown on larger farms and are harvested before frosts set in.
Besides simple starches, sweet potatoes are rich in complex carbohydrates, dietary fiber, beta carotene (a vitamin A equivalent nutrient), vitamin C, and vitamin B6.
In 1992, the Center for Science in the Public Interest compared the nutritional value of sweet potatoes to other vegetables. Considering fiber content, complex carbohydrates, protein, vitamins A and C, iron, and calcium, the sweet potato ranked highest in nutritional value. According to these criteria, sweet potatoes earned 184 points, 100 points over the next on the list, the common potato.(NCSPC)
Although it is sometimes called a yam, the sweet potato is not in the Yam family, nor is it closely related to the common potato.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
7:06 pm
md
July 28th, 2009
3:36 pm
Good suggestions. Also if you smoke, don’t expect free health care.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:09 pm
American conservatism = the doctrine of denial
Without denial there is no hope.
But some people make a doctrine of it. American conservatism could be described as a movement of denialogues, people whose ideology is based on disavowing physical realities. This applies to their views on evolution, climate change, foreign affairs and fiscal policy. The Vietnam war would have been won, were it not for the pinko chickens at home. Saddam Hussein was in league with al-Qaida. Everyone has an equal chance of becoming CEO. Universal healthcare is a communist plot. Segregation wasn’t that bad. As one of George Bush’s aides said: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/27/teenage-pregnancy-syphilis-bush-obama
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
7:15 pm
I done went and hurt myself on the job reel bad ta other day and the doc give me a special pain pill to help me make it through the months of soap oprys at home. So, enyway, I called in the perscription and they said that ifin I was in that much pain then I should make it a rush order. Course I told em right away that this perscription was for me and if rush wanted some he could buy em with some of that money he has. It took me months of cashin in my youngins food stamps to buy those special pills and I shore aint givin em to that druggie. I am thinkin bout givin up the television now since my neighbors done moved and took their dish with them and I don’t have no digital con verter box. I heer that the quitter from Alaska, that perty girl named Sarah, is talkin bout doin radio so that will give me five shows in a row maybe to watch. That’s Sarah and Huckebe and Hannety and Rush. They are my heros cause they always tell me the truth and that is what makes them the best persons in the whole world. They not at all like those other people. Those aleens and such.
jt
July 28th, 2009
7:16 pm
The Mystery of the Sweet Potato
The islands of Polynesia have long been a source of mystery and speculation for armchair scientists1. The origin of the Easter Island statues, the abandonment of the so-called ‘Mystery Islands’ and the ultimate origins of the Polynesian people are some of the more well-known. However, perhaps the greatest mystery of them all is that of the sweet potato.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1984421
jt
July 28th, 2009
7:22 pm
I really don’t know what I expected but I was kinda dissapointed in the worlds largest sweet potato.
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=biggest+sweet+potato&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldamazingrecords.com%2F2008%2F12%2F249-pounds-worlds-biggest-sweet-potato.html
md
July 28th, 2009
7:26 pm
“I suppose you take advantage of no tax breaks in your small business? You don’t take any of the small business welfare offerings? That’s what it is, md, it’s corporate welfare.”
Actually Finn, I do. And those tax breaks allow me to hire or keep people employed. Is allowing an employee to keep their job considered welfare? Is having enough profit to grow the company and hire more people welfare?
If it was just me and I was taking breaks out the wahzoo, then you may have a point. Otherwise, its income and expenses and the more income the better for everybody, or have you not noticed unemployment at 10+%. Take away the tax breaks/welfare and how high is unemployment then?
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
7:38 pm
So this md person at least admits to taking money from tax payers by takin’ all them business tax credits and stuff. Probly has money stashed in one of them swedeish banks two to keep from payin any taxes at all. Just feedin off the trough with the rest of us. Probly likes to lissen to Sarah and Hannety and Rush and Huckebe as much as I do. Well scoot over and quit hoggin that trough. There is plenty to go around. I heerd the Chinamen done loaned us some more.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:40 pm
Yeah, md, it says you can’t manage your business. It says you need welfare to run your company – you can’t compete without the guvmint giving you a hand out.
close your doors. you have no business running a business.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:41 pm
Bush did not invent sex education without the sex. Clinton’s last budget set aside $80m for abstinence teaching. But by 2005 Bush had raised this to $170m, and engineered a new standard of mendacity and manipulation. A congressional report in 2004 explained that programmes receiving this money were “not allowed to teach their participants any methods to reduce the risk of pregnancy other than abstaining until marriage. They are allowed to mention contraceptives only to describe their failure rates.” The report found that over 80% of the teaching materials “contain false, misleading, or distorted information about reproductive health”. They suggested, for example, that condoms do nothing to prevent the spread of STDs, that 41% of sexually active girls and 50% of homosexual boys are infected by HIV, and – marvellously – that touching another person’s genitals “can result in pregnancy”.
unbelievable…simply amazing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/27/teenage-pregnancy-syphilis-bush-obama
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:44 pm
md, everyone is for smaller government, nobody likes to pay taxes.
The difference is that no one wants the services “they” use and rely on to be cut. You want to cut out the welfare for individuals? I say we cut out the welfare for you- you and your great company which can’t stand on it’s own two legs.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:47 pm
I got to get me a small business like md…so I can blog all day while collecting welfare from the federal government!
lovely
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
7:49 pm
I always knowed that their was somethin starange about that Bush fella. He is probly related to that fella down in Jonesboro, where that @@ lives.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:52 pm
Barack Obama’s new budget aims to change all this, by investing in “evidence-based” education programmes. The conservatives have gone ballistic: evidence is the enemy. They still insist that American children should be deprived of sex education, lied to about contraception and maintained in a state of medieval ignorance. If their own children end up with syphilis or unwanted babies, that, it seems, is a price they will pay for preserving their beliefs. The denialogues are now loudly insisting that STDs and pregnancies have risen because Bush’s programme didn’t go far enough. The further it went, the worse these problems got.
yeah, I’m trying to hit 30 pages before Jay gets back.
still, this is sick.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
7:54 pm
md, maybe if we stop propping up failing businesses we can funnel that money into companies and sectors of the economy that actually work?
@@
July 28th, 2009
8:13 pm
Steenker:
You and some other leftist on this blog seem to be drawn to people with an affinity towards beastiality.
You’re barkin’ up the wrong tree, Bow Wow.
Weirdo!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 28th, 2009
8:14 pm
You mean you can’t get in a Fambly Way by touching somebody’s you-know-what?
And quit throwing up that guy that did You Know What with a dog to @@. She can’t help it if he’s her neighbor down there in Clayton County.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
8:18 pm
All I done was point out that there was some fella that lived down @@’s way that was like Bush. @@ went and added on this sicko perverted stuff all by hisself. You is one more sick puppy, @@.
md
July 28th, 2009
8:22 pm
Boy Finn, you sure do a lot of assuming. Thats not healthy, maybe Obamacare can cure that for you. Guess what my boy, I still pay plenty of taxes and take away those breaks and guess what, I’m still in business but people I employee would sure be out of luck. Probably people like you.
And for the record, I have no problem paying taxes for services. I do however have a problem paying for my services and then also having to pay for your services. How about we agree to pay for our own services, unless you are a moocher, that should work, right.
And how about the taxes we already pay for the services called education. If one chooses to opt out of that taxpayer boondoggle and wallows in mediocrity, you want to pay for his services, cause I don’t. Problem is, you want to help them anyway, but you want to do it with other peoples money.
Let’s make a deal. I pay for me and you pay for you, and if either of us wants to help those that choose not to pull their own weight, we may do so. But do it with your dime, not mine. I may choose to help someone actually trying. vs those that CHOOSE not to.
Everything we do is a CHOICE.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
8:32 pm
And jest cause I is a southpaw dont mean you gots to go and insult me by callin me a leftie, @@. There jest aint no need to go and turn on your own kind. I is loyal to the cause and I proves it every time I git on the road in my pickup with the two confederated flags flappin in the breaze. I never hardly ever misses Hannety cuz he’s the most truthful person to ever be put on radio and when the quitter lays off the twitter and starts blowin her own whistle on the radio, I’ll be listenin to her too. Sarah is my hero. Any one that can shoot off her mouth as good as she shoots a gun caint be all too bad. Even if she is a quitter. And there just aint no better party then the party that takes a likin to lincolns log and cabins and such. That’s the toe tappin, wife cheatin, divorcin, three-timin, Republicans that we have all got to know so very well and that’s what we love about em. They’s just one of us Someone you can sit down and down a Bud or a Pabst or a jug of your finest aged Boones Farm with.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
8:35 pm
wow, Jon Stewart nailed Bill kristol last night.
OUCH!
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-27-2009/bill-kristol
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
8:39 pm
You tell em, md. I jest knowed you was one of us. We jest need to git the govment offin our backs and then we will all be all right cause we will all be doin what we want when we want. I never did like havin people ask me what I was brewin or ifin I had permission for killin my supper just cause it was on someone else’s land. I was jest trackin it and that was where I caught up with it. And I shore dont need to be payin for some other youngins to be goin to some fancy smancy school. I never had no need for em neither, jest like you.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:57 pm
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
4:55 pm
The very basis of insurance tells you most of them won’t have expenses they can’t cover, but most of us that can afford it don’t want to take that chance. Health insurance doesn’t equal health care, and in the worst case scenario means you don’t get care. And the uninsured can get care at the ER if they don’t have a family doctor.
I’ve suggested before that we make it easier to qualify for Medicaid and give everyone else Medicare. These systems at least work reasonably well. Since you need Medigap insurance to cover what Medicare doesn’t pay, the insurance companies could fight over that. The deductibles and co-pays could be increased for those that could afford it, and that is most of us. That extra expense could be covered by Medigap if desired. The payroll tax would have to be increased and the entire amount could be transferred to the employees over a period of years as could the Social Security portion. That would get the expense off of business and make us more competetive in the global market place. The increase in taxes should be much less than the employer and employee are currently paying under the plans made available by the companies.
But the bottom line is we have to stop making ourselves sick with poor lifestyle choices. We’ve got to get back to the basics of good nutrition, exercise and rest.
We’ve got to do a better job of educating our children about sex, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, drugs, driving, sun screen and any other harmful activity to be curtailed or avoided so they won’t make the bad choices so many of us did.
And yes, we have to examine how we die in the good old USA. A time to live, a time to die. Death with dignity should be our goal when it’s our time.
The current plans being considered are just too complicated and have too many mandates and restrictions, and should not be passed. The current trend is for more and more of the expense be paid by the insured. When it gets high enough, maybe we’ll start making better decisions on when and if to seek care.
md
July 28th, 2009
9:05 pm
Tn, you have too many here that don’t want to hear about choices – poor ones that is.
Poor lifestyle choices increase medical costs for us all. But many here like the idea of someone else paying for their bad choices.
Not making enough money because they decided school was no fun, easier to complain and make excuses and then pay for those choices with other peoples money.
Choices.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
9:13 pm
Let’s recap-
Bushie ran as a squish moderate and nearly lost the election to a total candy a* liberal.
Obozo kampaigned as a Conservative and won the election against a squish moderate.
Obozo governs as a total candy a* liberal and his poll numbers are plummeting.
Anybody else see a trend here?
And do you still wonder why the total candy a* liberals whine about Sarah?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
9:16 pm
Paul
July 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
That’s the way it should work. The president should just propose broad guidelines and leave it up to Congress to write the bills. They have thousands on staff for that. Pelosi and Reid should have been replaced at the beginning of this session of Congress. Therein lies the problem. That and there are just too many special interest groups to satisfy.
I’m not sure Obama is willing to be completely honest with us on what he’s seeking. Too many folks aren’t going to be pleased. That’s probably why he can’t sell it.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
9:18 pm
md
July 28th, 2009
9:05 pm
Like I asked earlier today, and it might have been answered, I haven’t gone all the way through yet, how do you change that mindset?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
9:25 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 28th, 2009
9:13 pm
How did Bush govern?
And how did Sarah govern? Alaska continued to be the biggest net recipient of federal dollars and the oil companies saw their taxes increased so the good citizens could be rewarded with even more largesse. By 2012 she’ll be a footnote in history.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
9:29 pm
Speaking of poor choicea:
Study: Tanning beds as deadly as arsenic
LONDON (AP) – International cancer experts have moved tanning beds and other sources of ultraviolet radiation into the top cancer risk category, deeming them as deadly as arsenic and mustard gas. For years, scientists have described tanning beds and ultraviolet radiation as “probable carcinogens.” A new analysis of about 20 studies concludes the risk of skin cancer jumps by 75 percent when people start using tanning beds before age 30. Experts also found that all types of ultraviolet radiation caused worrying mutations in mice, proof the radiation is carcinogenic. Previously, only one type of ultraviolet radiation was thought to be lethal.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_MED_TANNING_BEDS_CANCER?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-07-28-21-20-05
RW-(the original)
July 28th, 2009
9:30 pm
We’ve got a long ways to go in this free for all, but for sheer comedic genius it’s gonna be tough to beat the sweet potato rant.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
9:31 pm
Um, if you happen to be a connoisseur of the game of baseball and appreciate the high points of the game, you would do well by tuning into the White Sux- Twins right now, there are some remarkable things in the making.
Me, I’m praying that I was not specific to jinx anything.
Come on, M, mmmphhbbbt
Go!
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
9:38 pm
I wonder if ole Saxby uses a tanning bed. Dont he look like one of those fellers that uses one with those white circles right around the eyes and tanned everywhere else. He look like a good canidate for sperimenting with radiation on.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
9:40 pm
I like taters specially sweet ones. Thems my favorites. I like em best with some greens and some peas and corn bread and buttermilk.
TGT
July 28th, 2009
9:41 pm
I don’t know if this has been brought up yet or not (I’m not about to pan nearly 800 comments!), but here are 10 questions for supporters of Obamacare. Have fun!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
9:44 pm
Damn!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
9:45 pm
Double damn!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
9:47 pm
A perfect game followed by 17 up and 17 down.
Dats pretty good.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
Sarah should not have quitted on us like she done did. Now we gotta wait for her to start talkin on the radio.