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Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:41 am
Perhaps Bono could meet with Obama and advise him on foreign policy, ObamaCare, banking guidelines etc…
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
11:43 am
how’s this for a band name Will E Legal and the Anchor babies
getalife
July 28th, 2009
11:43 am
Man, that new Firefox is fast.
I told my reps. to vote no on more corporate welfare and to get their corrupt greedy hands off my medical insurance.
You just can’t trust them.
md
July 28th, 2009
11:44 am
“the Dems’ infighting hasn’t helped them, but at least they have reached across the aisle and TRIED to work with the GOP”
Thats funny. Hey gop, want to come over and vote for “our” bill, we will be able to tell America its bibartisan if you do. What, you have ideas too, no, you have to vote for our bill, we won, we are the ones that will write it, now be patriotic and vote for our bill.
Working together in Congress for a better America – yea right.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:47 am
Im surprised the Dems dont trot out Tom Daschle so we might be enlightened by his expertise.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
11:48 am
“What, you have ideas too, no, you have to vote for our bill, we won, we are the ones that will write it, now be patriotic and vote for our bill.”
Quoted directly from the Republicans playbook.
md
July 28th, 2009
11:48 am
“what is the point of the black female officer’s opinion?”
Maybe the fact that she was willing to give her opinion after she herself looked at the facts.
No way was she “told what to say” as she volunteered the fact that she voted for Barry and would not do so again. If she was told to say anything remotely close to that, she would have had Al, Jesse and the whole gang on the spot asap.
@@
July 28th, 2009
11:48 am
Doggone:
I often wonder how many of those who abuse the ERs are even contributing any tax revenue at all.
USinUK:
It’s the advances in technology that make our healthcare superior. The drugs? On that we can agree. Far too many of them are unnecessary and have unintended consequences that remain to be seen. Anti-depressants, in my opinion, are not only dangerous, but unjustifiably prescribed.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
11:51 am
“I often wonder how many of those who abuse the ERs are even contributing any tax revenue at all.”
You would prefer that they just wander around, sick as dogs, and infecting lots of other people? People do still get really neat diseases like the black plague you know. My preference would be for them to be treated, so *I* don’t catch it too.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
11:54 am
in the long run prevention is cheaper than treatment
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:54 am
“It’s the advances in technology that make our healthcare superior”
yeah. we don’t have them fancy-schmancy things like sonogram and mris here in the UK … for our CAT scans, we use real cats!!!
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:56 am
““I often wonder how many of those who abuse the ERs are even contributing any tax revenue at all.””
hooray!!! no more ER treatment for stay-at-home-moms!! we now have the new threshold where people qualify for treatment – if they’re of age, they have to contribute tax revenue!!
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
11:57 am
I Report
You Whine 
July 28th, 2009
11:18 am
As I said much earlier, I just hope we don’t look back and think what might have been. The kid could still pull it off.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:57 am
ObamaCare will be run just as efficiently as the DMV.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
11:58 am
“in the long run prevention is cheaper than treatment”
Sure it is, but if you don’t have insurance and can afford to pay for regular preventative care…then you only see the Doctor when you are sick and it’s acute enough that you think you NEED a Doctor.
Isn’t that the whole point of the “health care debate”?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
11:59 am
@@
July 28th, 2009
11:21 am
Is it the miracle of modern medicine or miracle of prayer?
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
12:00 pm
Sorry! Typing in a hurry! “can afford to pay for regular preventative care” should be:
CAN’T afford to pay for regular preventative care
getalife
July 28th, 2009
12:00 pm
13-6. gop lose on SC vote.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
12:00 pm
Yes,doggone my point exactly
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
12:02 pm
Some people prefer to drive SUV’s and hoopdys with 25 inch rims then pay for their childrens healthcare.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
12:05 pm
They can afford it, they just refuse to purchase. Healthcare for themselves and children takes a back seat to $200 tennis shoes, PS3, Blu-Ray, X-box, Maxed out credit cards, Financed Rooms to Go furniture, hoopdyes, 25 inch rims, grills and all this other non-sense.
These idiots want womb to tomb govt involvement and think its a good thing.
RW-(the original)
July 28th, 2009
12:06 pm
Ah yes, the black female officer in a town with a black mayor, in a state with a black governor, in a country with a black president, felt pressure to take whitey’s side.
Sorry, but I ain’t buying that one.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
12:07 pm
Turd go flush your racist self
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
12:10 pm
@@
July 28th, 2009
11:33 am
Death and dying will bring that out.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:38 am
Advertising drugs should be banned. Our overuse is a national disgrace.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
12:15 pm
“Advertising drugs should be banned. Our overuse is a national disgrace”
I agree with your last sentence, but not with your first. It doesn’t matter how much a drug is advertised, it still takes a Doctor to prescribe it. If they are being overused (overprescribed) then look to the name at the bottom of the prescription…not to the TV set.
@@
July 28th, 2009
12:24 pm
Doggone:
Would I prefer they wander around sick? NO! but I would prefer they pay something — a nominal fee at the very least. Many of Europe’s socialized programs are requiring it to discourage abuse.
USinUK:
You do have technology. It’s use is, however, restricted and not widely available due to budget constraints.
OH LOOK!!! It’s Sven Larson from Sveeeeden with “Tales from the Darkside of Socialized Medicine.”
Lessons from Sweden’s universal health system: tales from the health-care crypt
I’m gonna take him at his word.
In October 2003 Mrs. A., who lives in Malmo, Sweden, gave birth to a baby boy. (1) She was signed out from the hospital six hours after delivering the baby. There are not enough beds, so delivering a baby “without complications” is an outpatient procedure. Budget cuts have eliminated beds and medical staff.
The next day Mr. and Mrs. A. noticed that their baby was weak and did not want to eat. As is common in Sweden, they did not call a doctor. Instead they called the tax-paid “TeleMedicine” service. Nobody advised them to go see a doctor right away.
The following day their baby died of pneumonia.
In May 2006 another couple lost their three-year-old son to the budget-starved medical system. (2) When Mr. and Mrs. B.’s son suffered from diarrhea and had been vomiting for almost two days, they took him to the emergency room at the nearby university hospital. A doctor ordered a supply of intravenous fluids, and the boy was sent on to the pediatric clinic to have them administered. When he arrived, the nurses had no time for him. Mr. and Mrs. B. repeatedly called on the medical staff to ask why nobody was coming to give their son the intravenous fluids he so desperately needed.
Every time they got the same answer: nobody has time. They have too many patients and too little staff.
Six hours later the three-year-old boy died of heart failure.
That’s just the “little ones”. It goes on to tell horror stories about adults.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
12:25 pm
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
12:05 pm
Certainly true of some, but not all. Is that a good reason for the gov’t to mandate it?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
12:30 pm
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
12:15 pm
After I hit submit I thought of: and don’t allow free samples or sales calls to doctors. But patients go in asking for the drug after they’ve seen it advertised. And it’s a lot easier and quicker for a doctor to write a prescription than to take the time to prescribe a lengthy lifestyle change.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:31 pm
Barry! He’s Scary!
Now that’s a bumper sticker! Almost as good as:
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Why do you liberals hate America?
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
12:31 pm
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
12:07 pm
Truth hurts does it?
Curious Observer
July 28th, 2009
12:32 pm
It’s the advances in technology that make our healthcare superior.
Oh yes, like the PET scan I had six months ago and for which the company billed my insurer $10,000–I kid you not! $10,000 for five hours pre- and post- with the scanner and a doctor’s review of the results. Who can afford that kind of technology?
And the prescription drug coverage? I recently had occasion to refill a monthly prescription of what the insurance company calls a Tier III drug to treat diabetes–Acta, if you must know. Normally, my share would have been $37. But this time, I was charged the full cost of $173 because my refill came exactly one day before the insurer said it could be refilled. The pharmacist didn’t care, and it was a fait accompliby the time I picked the refill up. And we want to call government-provided insurance nanny care? An insurer dictated what would be covered and even the period of time during which I could refill a prescription.
The current system is broken beyond repair. Almost anything would be better than what we now have.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:32 pm
The Government should take over the drug companies and use the profits to balance the budget and subsidize the UAW.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
12:33 pm
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:31 pm
Sorry, I’m not biting today. Maybe later.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
12:33 pm
@@ wrote: @@
July 28th, 2009
11:48 am
Doggone:
I often wonder how many of those who abuse the ERs are even contributing any tax revenue at all.
@@, think about it. If those people abusing ERs are employees – illegal immigrants or otherwise – the fact that their employer is not paying for their medical coverage is contributing to the employers bottom line.
So, the uninsured is contributing to the progress of capitalism because they cost less to employ. So, the employer is getting off without having to pay the medical care costs for the individual: we, the rest of the working population, the rest of society, are paying for that care!
You want to blame the problems on the illegals and those employed without insurance? They’re the tool that allows the employer to shift his/her costs onto the rest of us.
md
July 28th, 2009
12:35 pm
“The current system is broken beyond repair. Almost anything would be better than what we now have.”
Replacing a bad system with a bad system leaves one with a bad sytem.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:35 pm
that PET scan wasa not needed then. You can’t afford it, neither can we. Get rid of Technology in health care. DRs need to guess more. That is the real answer, oh and tort reform. By tort reform I mean get all Stalin on all lawyers. Kill every single one, especially the politicians and teachers. Then start fresh. Worked in Russia!
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:36 pm
TnG, it’s lunch time brother!
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
12:36 pm
My Brother from another mother!
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
12:37 pm
@@, any country in the world can buy any piece of medical equipment or drug used here.
We sell weapons to other countries, hello! You don’t think we would also sell them health care equipment? Maybe they don’t have the cash to buy the equipment? Guess what! Other countries employ Visa and MasterCard too.
Myopic is the word.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
12:42 pm
Fortunately for you turd stupidity doesn’t.
not everyone riding around on 25’s is on welfare, your assumptions show your hand.
Many hard working people of all races cannot afford health care.
md
July 28th, 2009
12:47 pm
Anybody have kids in college?
If you do, you get to fill out FAFSA to qualify for assistance (grants,etc). Good ole gov’t run program. Problem is, it only considers income, with no mention of expenses.
You make 50,000 a year, your contribution to the program is 10,000, and help is based on that number.
You make 50,000 a year and have medical debts of 500,000, and your contribution is 10,000.
Don’t make the mistake to think for a minute that gov’t is the answer to healthcare. There ARE better solutions.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
12:48 pm
LOL…nice try FrankLee. Your world of denial shows yours.
It all starts with govt give aways like providing breakfast at the schools. Let the parents give the kids breakfast but OH NO…womb to tomb…
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
12:58 pm
Turd you make no sense
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
1:01 pm
“And it’s a lot easier and quicker for a doctor to write a prescription than to take the time to prescribe a lengthy lifestyle change.”
Sure it is…but that is STILL the Doctors’ fault, not the TV’s
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:02 pm
md, why would a student loan program base its distribution on how much you spend a month?
What if I make $50,000 a year and have the highest speed cable bill, and credit card payments of $5,000 per month, and I have to have the nicest car in the world so I owe $2,000 a month on that. In other words, I like to live beyond my means.
See, that makes no sense whatsoever.
@@
July 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
Curious:
I’ve run into the same problem with an early refill. I took the initiative by asking the pharmacist why he didn’t verify with the insurance company prior to filling? Once done, I had no intention of paying the increased price. I told the pharmacist to give me a partial refill until I could straighten it out with my insurance company. Done!
Did you not see the deadline date? Do you not have the option for 90 day scripts — a lot of money to be saved in those. If you’re not willing to fight to protect your money, you must be a liberal lacking in common sense.
Finn:
If it’s mandated that business offer insurance then the employer will quidkly be adding to the unemployed or raising the cost of his product on the unemployed consumer. As much as you guys would prefer it not be, business is entitled to employ or not employ in the interest of employing, at the very least, some.
It’s not that other countries can’t get the equipment, it’s that their dwindling resources restrict the use of it.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
md,
Oh FAFSA!!! I keep forgetting to do that. Thanks for the remind.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
and md, if you have the public option you wont have people with $500,000 worth of medical debt.
@@
July 28th, 2009
1:04 pm
I misspelled a word.
Kewl!
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:06 pm
@@,
Other countries have dwindling resources?
Are you smoking dope today? Can you share with the rest of us?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
1:12 pm
‘It’s not that other countries can’t get the equipment, it’s that their dwindling resources restrict the use of it.’
yeah,cause the pound is taking such a beating against the dollar. NOT!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 28th, 2009
1:19 pm
Well, I reckon I might as well come right out and be honest. Since the rest of the people that don’t like this guvmint health care won’t do it.
The reason I’m against it is I got my health care and I don’t want to pay for anybody else’s health care. If I do that my taxes and costs will go up. If people want health care and don’t have it they can go out and find a job that pays for health care like I did.
Another reason is I don’t like alot of the people that would get health care on the cheap with this Obama plan. Now I wouldn’t mind maybe paying for a ticket to watch right after a Dr. tells Whiner You’re going to feel a little pressure now. That’s Dr.-speak for This is going to feel like I’m running a hot poker up your rear end and the pain will be unbearable, but heck, I won’t feel nothing and I got to earn my pay. And the same thing would go for being there the minute the Dr. tells Sister Dusty she’s just plain old fat and needs to loose about 150 pounds.
The last reason I don’t want this Obama care is I don’t want to wait long in a Dr.’s waiting room. If this plan passes the waiting room will be busting at the seams with Those People and a whole bunch of folks that wouldn’t be there otherwise. I could be made to wait for hours.
Anyhow, that’s the whole truth and I reckon I can sleep good tonight after being so honest. Have a good p.m. everybody.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
WOMB TO TOMB…the Democrats Mantra!!
Midori
July 28th, 2009
1:27 pm
Frank,
I thought it was just me.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
1:36 pm
@@ –
oh, you didn’t just go there with infant mortality, did you??? REEEEELLLYYYYY???
so, A baby died in Sweden and therefore socialized medicine is “teh sux”???
darlin, Sweden’s infant morality rate is 3.2 per thousand and their mortality for children under 5 is 4.0 per thousand. The US is 6.3 and 7.8, respectively.
the UK’s infant mortality is 4.8 and 6.0
Canada is 4.8 and 5.9
if that’s socialized medicine, sign me up.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
1:38 pm
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
WOMB TO TOMB…with such aplomb!
If we can’t take care of the children and elderly, what are our family values?
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
“The last reason I don’t want this Obama care is I don’t want to wait long in a Dr.’s waiting room.”
That’s another thing that chaps me. If ANYONE here has a doctor who sets an appointment with you and can see you within 15 minutes of that appointment on a consistent basis, please tell me who it is so I can switch to that doctor.
I always take a book cause it could be that day again where I’m sitting there 45 minutes before getting seen. I’ve actually told them I had to leave after waiting an hour one time.
I get there on time, why can’t I be seen on time? Overbooking perhaps? Poor resource management?
If I have an appointment to get my haircut and have to wait around for 30 minutes after I got there on time, I can speak loudly by witholding my tip. Maybe I will see how far witholding my copay will get me? Jail time?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
1:40 pm
Midori,I feel I’m in good company
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
1:44 pm
“If we can’t take care of the children and elderly, what are our family values?”
don’t you know … the new and improved family value: I got mine. (see: John Gault)
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
1:47 pm
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
I’ve had them reschedule me and left on more than one ocassion. I also call sometimes before leaving from home to make sure they are running on schedule. They do have emergencies sometimes that have to be handled immediately. It’s not the wait so much, as their total unconcern.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
1:50 pm
christian values:
1) the meek shall inherit the earth
2) do unto others as you would have them do unto you
3) turn the other cheek
Sorry, christian values do not belong in America (unless you are totally kidding yourself) so why should we expect “family” values? Or how about just “moral” values?
Pphfffft. that stuff’s for wimps and girlie men.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
1:54 pm
The parents and kids cant take care of the children and elderly. For those who have problems the we should take care of them, however, I suspect many that state they have financial issues are bluffing and would rather live beyond their means, keep up with the jones’ than be honest about things.
They would rather finance a house they KNOW they cant afford, lease the Beamer, purchase living room suites, purchase 25″ rims, purchase season tickets, go out and blow money just to see and be seen THAN live within their means.
Kinda funny how suddenly after years of pay increases they find themselves with debt that will take 15 year to pay. THEN WE ALL HAVE to pitch in and help…I dont wanna be on a team such as that. NO THANKS!
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
1:56 pm
TnG –
you’re approaching your visit to the doctor’s office all wrong … you need to look at it as an opportunity to catch up on your reading while wearing a paper robe with your backside hanging out.
once you accept that, the doctor’s office isn’t so bad.
md
July 28th, 2009
1:59 pm
Finn,
I’m guessing you are not a small business owner. If you were, you would know that banks do not loan to small businesses without personal guarantees. In doing so, FAFSA penalizes every small business owner in this country. Its bad enough as it is trying to keep ones head above water as a small business, but uncle sugar just keeps stacking the deck against.
Personal spending -sure, but why penalize business owners when all they are trying to do is make payroll without laying people off and making a decent living. It sure doesn’t affect the FAFSA’s of the employees.
Scooter
July 28th, 2009
2:01 pm
If the HC bill passes, Will it be manditory for me to purchase it? Anyone please!
md
July 28th, 2009
2:02 pm
“md, why would a student loan program base its distribution on how much you spend a month?”
Why give people food stamps when they have a seperate pile that they pay with “their” money consisting of alcohol, cigarettes, snuff, etc?
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:05 pm
Personally I don’t have any debt that I can’t pay for.
I have a good career a reasonable mortgage.So it’s no skin off my back to help a little(good for my karma),but I could see how a person living beyond their means might not want to.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:05 pm
Turd, the people you are most accurately describing have no idea about finances. They don’t understand how to determine at what point they are “living beyond their means.”
Think about the ads and the sales pitch.
Salesman: “You are paying $900 in rent on an apartment? Well for no money down you can OWN the house and your monthly payment will actually go DOWN to $750″
or this:
Salesman: “I see you like the Mercedes S500…how much do you want your monthly payments to be? $300? Sure, we can do that, step into my office.”
One side has the information and the calculator……the other side sees a deal that will immediately move them up while maybe lowering their current expenses.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:07 pm
If the HC bill passes, Will it be manditory for me to purchase it? Anyone please.
No,scooter you are not
md
July 28th, 2009
2:08 pm
Scooter,
I you have none now, the answer is yes. Even those that do not want insurance will be required to get it.
Side note, it will also cover any and all here illegally. What a great carrot that will be. Come have and have your baby on US soil and we will not only grant it citizenship, but we will also throw in free insurance for the whole family.
Reagans amnesty compounded the problem as this will do also.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:08 pm
Scoot…eventually it will be mandatory by default as Govt will run free enterprise out of business.
Anytime anyone is rushing others to make a decision like Obama to Congress, Dems to Dems/Reps then you can bet there is a fly in the slaw.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:10 pm
sorry,
No scooter you are not going to be required to purchase it.
md
July 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
So Finn is proposing we not hold the uneducated responsible. Thats great considering most already opted out of a free education system. Lets see how stupid we can all get and maybe uncle sugar will take care us us all.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:12 pm
Bottom line of all these shenanigans is…
“Don’t talk of dust and roses
Or should we powder our noses?
Don’t live for last year’s capers
Give me steel, give me steel, give me pulsars unreal
He’ll build a glass asylum
With just a hint of mayhem
He’ll build a better whirlpool
We’ll be living from sin, then we can really begin
Please savior, saviour, show us
Hear me, I’m graphically yours
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to fool us, someone like you
We want you Big Brother, Big Brother
I know you think you’re awful square
But you made everyone and you’ve been every where
Lord, I’d take an overdose if you knew what’s going down
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to fool us, someone like you
We want you Big Brother”
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:13 pm
md, I didn’t realize you were talking about small business owners, I thought you were saying FAFSA should reward one for having more debt.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:13 pm
WE WANT YOU OBAMA…OBAMA…
Sad!
md
July 28th, 2009
2:15 pm
Scooter,
“House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Edolphus Towns said in a letter yesterday that the health care bill now before Congress would require “some administrative and a small number of benefits-related adjustments” to some plans under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Those changes would be necessary to make sure all FEHBP plans meet the government’s standards of a “qualified health benefits plan,” Towns said in his letter to Ranking Republican Darrell Issa.
The health care bill, HR 3200, would require all citizens to have a minimum level of insurance coverage through a qualified health benefits plan or other form of coverage. Issa asked Towns on July 17 whether federal employees and their dependents enrolled under FEHBP would be in compliance with that requirement.”
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:17 pm
If government healthcare is good enough to run private insurance out off business so be it.
free market at work.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:19 pm
We are all good people, there is no wrong or right, no one should be allowed to make personal choices, everythings cool…yea…thats the way to go.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:20 pm
Hey turd maybe you could get shatner to read that for you
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:20 pm
ITS ALL GOOT!!
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:20 pm
md, you are missing my point on the uneducated. I’m not saying they should be rewarded.
But you can’t fault someone for trying to make their situation better off
OR!!! Is that bad in your mind? hmmm, people trying to put themselves in a better situation…hmmm, where have we heard that before….someone was whining earlier about some FAFSA thing….hmmm
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:21 pm
LOL…nice try Frankee…public vs private industry. Try again.
GOP is gone
July 28th, 2009
2:22 pm
How about this fact, 10 % of healthcare dollars were spent on obesity related diseases last year. Now that is a truely subjective problem. Just don’t be such a glutton already, and move your big butt a little more.
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
2:24 pm
“If government healthcare is good enough to run private insurance out off business so be it.
free market at work.”
You consider a government run system that us subsidized by taxpayers and is not required to make a profit, or even break even, to be ‘free market at work’? The intention is to drive private insurance companies out of business. I fully expect many employers will drop plans for workers not covered by collective bargaining agreements, forcing them to the government plan, because it will cost them less than what they now pay. Free market?
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:25 pm
md, you want to hold the uneducated accountable. That’s fine.
But you don’t say anything about holding the scam artist and the deceptive salesman accountable. They should get off easy? They were just doing a job?
The person who had the most information, the one who knew it was a deceptive practice all along….well, maybe they went to the right school? The same school you went to? Or, maybe this guy is your neighbor? Or maybe the scam artist’s son is an alter boy in the same church your son’s in?
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:26 pm
PS Frankee…it would be hilarious to hear Shatner do his twist on it!! I will give ya that one.
On Bended Knees
July 28th, 2009
2:27 pm
PSALM 2009 – 2012
FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT
OBAMA IS A SHEPHERD,
I SHALL NOT WANT.
HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL FACTORIES.
HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT.
YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE BREAD LINE,
I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY.
OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES,
MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME,
SURELY, POVERTY AND HARD LIVING WILL FOLLOW ME ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE.
AND I WILL LIVE FOREVER IN A RENTED HOME.
BUT I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN,
I AM GLAD THAT I AM FREE.
BUT I WISH I WAS A DOG
AND OBAMA WAS A TREE.
RW-(the original)
July 28th, 2009
2:28 pm
5 freedoms you’d lose in health care reform
If you read the fine print in the Congressional plans, you’ll find that a lot of cherished aspects of the current system would disappear.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
2:32 pm
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:05 pm
Madison Avenue rules!
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
NICE RW…I posted the same from yahoo this morning…just surprised to see it referenced by CNN.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
2:36 pm
PRINCETON, NJ — Americans view themselves as more knowledgeable than members of Congress regarding the current debate over healthcare reform. Nearly half (48%) say they personally have a good understanding of the issues involved, while only 27% say so about members of Congress.
Now if the question involved raising taxes, then no one could touch Congress.
They be the tax and spend experts.
md
July 28th, 2009
2:36 pm
Finn,
I hold all parties to the fiasco accountable. I give none of them a pass. Wall St, Main St, Democrats, Republicans, etc, etc. I just get so tired of listening to folks here tell me how the ones that knew they couldn’t afford a home should get a pass. Thats bs.
And if you support the democratic party, then you support the enabling of those that choose to not help themselves. (And there is a big difference between those that can’t and those that choose not to).
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
2:41 pm
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
2:25 pm
You’re right, it’s not the well-intentioned gov’t programs that are bad. It’s the scam artists that abuse them and the users that misuse them. Too many of us just don’t have any integrity. We’ve got to find a way to instill that into our young people.
RW-(the original)
July 28th, 2009
2:28 pm
The fine print? Who even reads the large print?
Attn: Congress, it’s the complexity, stupid!
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
2:44 pm
Any bets on how many pages this thread will be by the time Jay gets back?
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
2:46 pm
Circle back to the fish. Begin.
Take it Up the Backside
July 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
You Obama supporters, be honest now. Read the following and tell me how you would have reacted:
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had miss-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as “proof” of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on “Earth Day”, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?
If George W. Bush’s administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually “get” what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again 10 times within years, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan’s holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry. He’s done all the above in just 5 months — so be patient you’ve still got three years and seven months to come up with an answer…
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 28th, 2009
2:48 pm
A couple of random thoughts:
I actually remember the Doctor coming to the house when I was a kid. Gave me a shot for something or other. (Remember I was sick but not what it was). Said Doctor recently retired and is in his 80’s. If you want to hear somebody cussing a blue streak you should ask him about insurance companies and hospital administrators.
I also remember in later years the same Doctor giving me samples that had been given to him so I wouldn’t have to pay for a prescription.
I know people who see drug ads on TV and immediately begin to experience symptoms. (Granted only a couple but still).
My little local hospital here (for profit) has a new CAT Scan machine. You can bet your sweet bippy that they are going to do enough CAT Scans each month to make the payments. And they don’t do serious emergency trauma here, those people are transported or life flighted elsewhere as needed.
If hospitals are such money losers why are people lined up trying to get certification to build new ones?
Does it really matter if my treatment is refused or postponed by a government decision or an insurance company decision?
What happens if you have insurance but through illness or injury you hit your lifetime coverage limit (I know people who have)? What you going to do then? All your careful planning is out the window then.
A writer over on the Wooten blog suggested no major procedures for people over 60 unless they pay for them themselves. Wonder if he realizes that is still productive working age according to the Social Security Administration?
The Health Care system needs to be straightened out and if Congress and the President blow it on this, it’ll be 2 or 3 decades before it can be tackled again. So take some time and get it right.
I tend to ramble at times but that’s just me.
md
July 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
For those here that have employer sponsored health care plans, you may want to really read this bill. As a small business owner myself, I will do the math and if it makes sense to quit paying for a plan and pay a penalty instead, I will do so. How many employees in companies now work solely on their benifit plans? How many will be out of a job if it is cheaper to ditch it all and hand it over to uncle sugar? One finance guy making a payment vs an entire dept administering a plan.
Unintended consequences tend to do more damage than the original plan ever does.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
If this latest ObamaCare debacle is so wonderful why do we have NO ONE Congressional Representative clamoring to be the first to take advantage of it.
Why are they and Obama not shouting from the rooftops about being the FIRST to sign-up? Why are the Congress Reps not ditching their current plans they approved for themselves?
They know better and are relying on you Sheeple to get snookered.
I wanna hear Pelosi, Reid, Obama-Junior Jesus taking advantage of this GREAT GOVT PROGRAM thats for THE PEOPLE. Are they also not THE PEOPLE?