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Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
8:27 am
Mac – Not exactly so. In the print version, Thomas Sowell rips Obama a new one over his Gates incident comments last week. I don’t see a link on AJC.com. See http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/07/28/a_post-racial_president
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
8:33 am
IRYW @ 7:30 – “The future is not foreordained. I saw a recent report indicating that if the economy continues to fizzle, Hillary Clinton might challenge Obozo in a primary.-AmSpec”
Now that would be a lot of fun to watch. If Hillary runs against the POTUS, you suppose he would fire her as SoS? Or maybe just apologize for whatever he did to upset her?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:33 am
I Report
You Whine 
July 28th, 2009
7:50 am
Hillary runs only if he decides not to.
We voted for this klown because of the clown that preceeded him.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:35 am
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
8:27 am
And Krugman goes after the courageous Blue Dogs on health care.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
8:36 am
“if the economy continues to fizzle”
considering that the economy is slowly coming back to life, I think the Clinton cheerleaders should probably rethink the chicken-counting strategy …
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
8:36 am
TnG –
“We voted for this klown because of the clown that preceeded him”
and don’t forget the 3-ring circus that ran against him
Paul
July 28th, 2009
8:37 am
Report/Whine, @@ and anyone else interested -
this on the heels of the article from the other day about attempts to limit artificial intelligence – there are a lot of cross-purpose objectives going on.
“Will drones push fighter pilots out of the sky?”
http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/302402
Given when we invaded Afg we had but a couple Predators available and now we have entirely new drones on station, this is really quite remarkable.
Pennsylvanian
July 28th, 2009
8:40 am
TnG – And Tom Price explains the ‘public’ health insurance option.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
8:40 am
TnGelding 7:28
I just backed up a page and saw you posted the same link – it’s an interesting article, isn’t it?
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:41 am
Link to Krugman’s column:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/opinion/columnists/paul-krugman-do-blue-dogs-want-to-bring-obama-down-223850.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
Mrs. Godzilla
July 28th, 2009
8:41 am
Have y’all seen this by E.J. Dionne:
“Isn’t it time to dismantle the metal detectors, send the guards at the doors away and allow Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights by being free to carry their firearms into the nation’s Capitol building?
I’ve been studying the deep thoughts of senators who regularly express their loyalty to the National Rifle Association and have decided they should practice what they preach. They tell us that the best defense against crime is an armed citizenry and that laws restricting guns do nothing to stop violence. If they believe that, why don’t they live by it?
Why would freedom-loving lawmakers want to hide behind guards and metal detectors? Shouldn’t NRA members be outraged that Second Amendment rights mean nothing in the seat of our democracy?
Congress seems to think that gun restrictions are for wimps. It voted earlier this year to allow people to bring their weapons into national parks, and pro-gun legislators have pushed for the right to carry in taverns, colleges and workplaces. Shouldn’t Congress set an example in its own workplace? ”
MMMMMMMM…..
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:43 am
Yeah, the times they are achangin’. No problem, someone else might have missed it.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 28th, 2009
8:46 am
ahh… the “Blue Cross” Democrats…..
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:47 am
Mrs. Godzilla
July 28th, 2009
8:41 am
Good point. Might eliminate the need for term limits, too. More than a few would probably opt for early retirement.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
8:47 am
Health-insurance premiums for families have risen 119 percent since 1999, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a Menlo Park, California-based policy-research firm. Inflation has risen 28.5 percent over that period, according to the Labor Department.
Premium costs are projected to rise another 9 percent next year, an increase that 42 percent of employers plan to pass on to their workers, according to a report last month by PricewaterhouseCoopers. That’s likely to further squeeze millions of Americans who find themselves in high-deductible insurance plans as wages stagnate because of the recession.
Earnings per hour climbed by a 0.7 percent pace on average over the last three months, the Labor Department said earlier this month, the smallest gain since the agency began keeping records in 1964. Meanwhile, the share of insured workers with at least a $1,000 deductible has almost doubled since 2006 to 18 percent, according to Kaiser.
Wal-Mart Weighs In
For companies, the cost of health care “appears to be borne by the employees in the form of forgone wage increases and by consumers in the form of higher prices,” according to an October 2007 research paper by economists Victor Fuchs and John Shoven of Stanford University.
Some companies say the rising costs are also hurting them.
“Health reform could not be more critical,” Mike Duke, president of Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the nation’s largest private employer, said in a letter last month to Obama. “Reforming health care is necessary not just to improve the health of all Americans, but also to remove the burden that is crushing America’s businesses.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aFRY..TvUM2M
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
8:49 am
Paul,
Here’s more on intelligence from Craig Ferguson:
http://open.salon.com/blog/knightwriter/2009/07/27/craig_ferguson_is_my_new_hero_2
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
8:54 am
Paul,
Regarding the drones. 60 minutes did a segment on them a few weeks back. They had Leslie stahl standing on the ground with a drone above her head and she couldn’t make it out.
Pretty impressive technology. They were showing tapes of actual drone attacks on known terrorists: one guy was driving along in his car and the next second the car was a bunch of little pieces.
In one tape they showed a group who had just finished an attack on US soldiers. They followed them a little ways and then just sent them to meet thir virgins.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
8:55 am
TnGelding
Krugman – the devil’s in the details, as they say. I think the public wants reforms, but not at any cost. That’s where, I think, the President’s lack of firm direction and the House’s penchant for playing Santa are primarily responsible for the debacle. The Blue Dogs just pointed this out.
Then again, it’s always easier to point the finger at someone else and ignore the four fingers pointing back at oneself.
I faulted the Administration and Congress for both not doing a more methodical review, taking what worked, discarding what doesn’t, in this whole endeavor. We’ve focused a lot on “Canada, England, socialist, oh no!!” and ignored examples closer to home. Massachusetts is a mixed bag. But Kathleen Parker cites Utah – and Pres Obama’s appointment of its governor as China ambassador – as a model of what could have been.
Reforming Reform the Utah Way
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/park090726.htm
Remember, this is the governor of a conservative state, large LDS population, wide support. So does the ’socialist health care’ response fit? I think not. He’s also the governor who’s in favor of full civil unions for gay couples – and the populace support him still. Interesting governor, interesting state.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
8:57 am
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
8:47 am
You’d think the Chamber of Commerce would be lobbying for reform.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
9:00 am
Good morning Finneus –
“Regarding the drones. 60 minutes did a segment on them a few weeks back. They had Leslie stahl standing on the ground with a drone above her head and she couldn’t make it out.”
now, that’s just creepy.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
9:03 am
TnG –
“You’d think the Chamber of Commerce would be lobbying for reform”
funny you should say that …
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_090728.htm
they are backing the Senate version of the bill
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:04 am
Finn
Craig Ferguson’s great. New American citizen, too! And, he does his routine without much of a script, I understand. Just goes out with a general idea and takes it from there.
the drones – they’re causing an institutional shift in our Defense establishment (Army’s developing them too, and, they’re using recon drones, some the size that fit in backpacks – but the Army doesn’t pay their guys a 20 grand bonus.. just have to keep needling that point…). But the best is the uncertainty, the fear, the absolute stress it causes for the enemy. You’re trudging along a mountain path, lugging your weapons, far from American patrols. You’re shielded by terrain. You’re heading in for an ambush… then you see the guys in front of you vaporize. And you can’t hear for a long, long time….
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
9:05 am
Paul
July 28th, 2009
8:55 am
Interesting. I hadn’t heard of Utah’s reform. We certainly need to make sure it gets done right. I’m really not concerned about the projected higher costs because there almost has to be offsetting savings. Hillary’s plan was much better thought out than anything being considered now.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:12 am
TnGelding, Finn
“The service (Air Force) also is training officers who aren’t pilots to fly UAVs and is looking at allowing non-officers to fly some of them.”
Those are two game-changing institutional shifts for the Air Force. The first – dragging their feet on shifting to UAVs, is, IMHO, one of the things that lead SecDef Gates to fire the AF Secretary and Chief of Staff. The second, non-officers in pilot positions, has been fought tooth and nail for 50 years.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:15 am
TnGelding 9:05
I’ve said before, and I wonder how many Americans feel the same way – reform is needed, but the Administration and Congress are blowing it. An opportunity like this doesn’t come along often. I just wonder how many people will be so ticked that they couldn’t deliver on an issue so important (and they can’t blame Republicans for the failed effort) that Dems will suffer in the next elections. We’ll see.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
9:16 am
Here is the 60 minutes segment on the drones. It wasn’t lesley stahl (but it was a blonde, so I was at least in the ballpark!)
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5004882n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.2
This will lower American casualties!
@@
July 28th, 2009
9:19 am
Paul:
It’s been said that Obama sought an appointment for Utah’s governor to avoid any discussion of Utah’s healthcare initiative.
As far as the drones go…call me old fashioned…but I’m not getting on a commercial flight without a pilot up front.
There’s a program on T.V. about new weaponry — hosted by a retired marine (Gunny?). I was watching it the other night — everything’s geared towards GPS location. Gunnie(?) says to the launching crew (?)…..”Let’s go kill somethin’.”
Is it ^^^ obvious how little I know about the terminology used?
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
9:21 am
“Do you know who was in the group that approached him about running for president?”
No, I don’t know actually.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:25 am
Here’s a CNN interview with Officer Crowley’s coworkers. Listen to the African American, female officer – “Gates threw up a smoke screen” and “I won’t vote for Pres Obama again.” Wow.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/07/26/nr.comrade.in.arms.cnn
Finn
A blonde correspondent? You sure that wasn’t Fox? Thanks for the link.
@@
I’ve heard the same about Pres Obama’s apppointment of the Utah gov. But I wonder – the guy seems to be a practical, moderate Republican. But with experience as only a governor (you can bet that in the future the ‘experience’ factor will come into play again – from those who want to ignore Pres Obama’s experience to those who say his performance illustrates what happens…). But, why accept the appt as ambassador? It gives him foreign policy cred on station with a major power. Doesn’t take him out of 2012 at all – except in the groundwork of campaign organization, perhaps –
“Let’s go kill something” – yeah, those guys are different!
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
9:30 am
Paul –
“they couldn’t deliver on an issue so important (and they can’t blame Republicans for the failed effort)”
you’re kidding, right. the DeMint “this is going to be Obama’s Waterloo” comment is going to haunt him if this goes down. The Dems will attack the GOP with everything they have – especially since they compromised with them from the get-go.
I’ve already seen GOP sound bite after sound bite talking about how this is going to help the party – NOTHING about what it will do to the country.
and you think they’re going to walk away untarnished???
keep dreaming. the Dems’ infighting hasn’t helped them, but at least they have reached across the aisle and TRIED to work with the GOP.
Midori
July 28th, 2009
9:31 am
Paul,
what is the point of the black female officer’s opinion?
Midori
July 28th, 2009
9:32 am
p.s. Paul,
exactly WHAT is she supposed to say? she’s pretty much surrounded, you know.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:36 am
Finn
That was a great 60 Minutes segment. Thanks!
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
9:38 am
Seems Jacko’s personal doctor administered a Killer to The Thriller!
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
9:39 am
A Democratic Senate aide said the co-op plan is still “very much at the fore of what’s being considered as a viable alternative to the public option.”
A cooperative is basically a not-for-profit patient-run insurance organization. Instead of executives running it, you’d have people who are themselves enrolled. There would be relatively little overhead compared with a private insurance company—no profit means less advertising and no commissions or underwriting—and every patient would have a say in how it’s run. Many such cooperatives already exist. Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound near Seattle and HealthPartners in Minnesota are two of the most successful examples.
http://www.slate.com/id/2222744/
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:42 am
U.S. Air Force envisions drone that makes attack decisions by itself
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135945/U.S._Air_Force_envisions_drone_that_makes_attack_decisions_by_itself?source=CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2009-07-28
@@
July 28th, 2009
9:42 am
Mrs. Beauchaine recalls approaching the food table at an Independence Day picnic: “I told the girl, ‘I’m going to have a hot dog. If I’m dead in the morning, I’ll never know.’” In the morning she was back at Berkshire Medical Center.
The government spends an estimated $12 billion a year on “potentially preventable” readmissions for Medicare patients, according to the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent congressional agency. U.S. leaders are trying to reduce such costs as they wrangle this week over how to retool the country’s health-care system. Though private insurers also pay for readmissions, these charges are especially prevalent among the elderly covered by Medicare.
“Medicare has been paying for quantity and not for quality,” says Barry Straube, Medicare’s chief medical officer. “The goal is to not pay for things that shouldn’t happen.”
From mandating parents get on board with education to mandating that old folks change their habits. Ain’t-ah gonna happen.
I don’t even like cars that tell me to fasten my seat belt. I wear a seat belt but only because I had to pay $150.00 for getting caught NOT wearing one.
Are we gonna tell the Mrs. Beauchaines that they have what European healthcare calls “a duty to die”?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124873545269485081.html#mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
9:42 am
All this team non-sense. Too many cooks spoil the soup. There may not be an I in Team but their certainly is a ME.
@@
July 28th, 2009
9:44 am
Uh oh! From the 4th paragraph on are my words. Everything prior to that come from the link.
Lazy me.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
9:44 am
Midori
She said officers wouldn’t back up one of their own who hadn’t acted properly.
I think if she hadn’t wanted to say what she said she wouldn’t have gone with the group in the first place. But maybe she would have. She didn’t strike me as the type of person who would be intimidated into not speaking her mind.
@@
July 28th, 2009
9:47 am
s
put it where it belongs.
Geez!
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
9:47 am
I wonder if Jay fishes with grenades?
getalife
July 28th, 2009
9:48 am
Baucus leaves America behind: Senate Finance Committee is dropping the “public option” from their bill.
Told ya lobbyists would win.
They always do in the corrupt Senate.
Hope it fails.
Finn McCool
July 28th, 2009
9:52 am
So, screw the american people, take care of the insurance companies first?
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
9:57 am
@@ (and others) –
unless you live in a country with socialized medicine and know what it’s like firsthand, then, really sit down and let the grown-ups talk.
I live in the UK and have had good experiences with the healthcare here. more imporantly, my MIL (75) who has had chronic illnesses for the last 30 years has had amazing care, including house calls, weekly doctor visits when needed, and free hospitalization when she had pneumonia. She’s now facing extensive surgey and do you know what her bill will be??? £0.
My SIL had 2 high-risk pregnancies – do you know what her medical bills were after both deliveries? £0. She also received home health visits to check on her health and that of her girls.
so, enough with the lies and obfuscation – we’re not trying to week out the old and infirm in countries with not-for-profit healthcare. we’re actually providing excellent care and, in fact, provide better care for every dollar spent than the US.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
9:58 am
Finn,
“take care of the insurance companies first?”
You are so insensitive. They have so many fees involved in the playing of golf. If you don’t keep the insurance folks and other corporate executives swimming in cash, the golf industry and game as we know it could suffer so. Where would all the golf pros work?
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
9:58 am
dangit … weeK should be weeD
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
10:00 am
Bosch!!!! how ya feelin, buddy??? I saw that you got through your tests on Friday – have you gotten your results?? we were thinking about you and sending you good thoughts
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
10:04 am
USinUK,
I appear to be fine – but Paul will probably tell you otherwise.
All the tests are coming back okay, so hopefully with some medicine and laying off the hot sauce for a while, I’ll be okay.
Thanks for the good wishes.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
10:04 am
“There may not be an I in Team but their certainly is a ME.”
Spelling isn’t your stong point, is it?
Disgusted
July 28th, 2009
10:04 am
So, screw the american people, take care of the insurance companies first?
Yup. Looks like the unions that negotiated for better benefits and sacrificed higher raises are going to take it up the old you-know-what. Their members are going to get socked with a big-time tax on their Cadillac plans. Wouldn’t want to be a Democrat seeking union support after this thing surfaces.
And businesses big and small will not be penalized heavily for not offering health care plans. Expect a lot of businesses to dump their current group plans and pay the piddling amount of penalty to the government.
The insurance lobby also wins by crushing the public plan–cooperatives will be the alternative.
The Republicans don’t have to do anything to win. The Blue Dogs and the compromising regular Democrats have done it for them. Republicans can point to this abortion as the failure it is, all the while benefiting from it.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
10:05 am
I hope Crowley cuffs Gates again on Thursday.
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:10 am
Seems Thursday is beer night at the Whitehouse.
Gates will have one of the following…Old English 800, Colt 45 or Schlitz Malt Liquour.
Crowley will have Guinness Stout or Sam Adams.
Obama will be served Crow.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
10:12 am
Bosch –
“All the tests are coming back okay, so hopefully with some medicine and laying off the hot sauce for a while, I’ll be okay.”
excellent news … although, I’m sure you’re more than a bit frustrated after all the tests … but, like you said – you were terrified it was the c-word and it turns out that it isn’t. anything after that is gravy and totally deal-able!!!
huzzah!!!
Midori
July 28th, 2009
10:14 am
yeah, right Paul.
BTW — She better had said that, if she knows what’s good for her.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:15 am
Once again Midori arrives late.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
10:16 am
Midori
Given she wasn’t the only African America officer interviewed: my expectation is that if Officer Crowley really was a rogue cop who acted in a racist manner (Prof Gates’s characterization) then other officers, white as well as African American, would be only too happy to hang him out to dry. Not come to his defense.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
10:17 am
DigDoggone why aren’t you gone yet: Think isn’t one of your strong points is it?
Just sayin’ (you [dumbass])!
Paul
July 28th, 2009
10:17 am
UsinUk
Bosch is fine!
Physically, that is…. mentally, however….
oh, Hi Bosch! Welcome back!!!
Midori
July 28th, 2009
10:18 am
hi Boschie!!!
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
10:19 am
“Just sayin’ (you [dumbass])!”
Your elegant, eloquence surpasses all understanding.
Midori
July 28th, 2009
10:19 am
and once again, a Turd is just a Turd.
Midori
July 28th, 2009
10:20 am
Paul,
I’m not saying the guy is “racist”, per se.
Just that he’s s legend in his own mind.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
10:21 am
Hi ya’ Paul! Better living through pharmaceuticals.
Hi Midori!
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
10:22 am
Oh digdogdone: HAve you this Bumper sticker yet:
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
10:23 am
Glad you noticed Digdogdone! I try to be all of that and more…. Get your sticker yet?
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:23 am
“Just that he’s s legend in his own mind.” That certainly fits this jackass gates to a tee!
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
10:24 am
Paul (your 10:17) – HA!
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
10:25 am
Disgusted
July 28th, 2009
10:04 am
I think it’s good that there is some differences of opinion. If they can work it out, the resulting bill should be improved. It’ll be interesting to see if Obama vetoes anything that doesn’t meet his objectives.
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
10:26 am
“Digdogdone!”
Spelling doesn’t seem to be your stong point either.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
10:28 am
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 28th, 2009
10:05 am
Maybe he’ll arrest Obama too, for impersonating a U.S. citizen.
From yesterday: The vitims of 09/11 weren’t sacrificed. They were murdered.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
10:31 am
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:10 am
Hope they don’t get drunk and brawl on the WH lawn. Maybe they should invite more potential litigants to the party?
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:42 am
ObamaCare…
But page by page, the bills reveal a web of restrictions, fines, and mandates that would radically change your health-care coverage.
If you prize choosing your own cardiologist or urologist under your company’s Preferred Provider Organization plan (PPO), if your employer rewards your non-smoking, healthy lifestyle with reduced premiums, if you love the bargain Health Savings Account (HSA) that insures you just for the essentials, or if you simply take comfort in the freedom to spend your own money for a policy that covers the newest drugs and diagnostic tests — you may be shocked to learn that you could lose all of those good things under the rules proposed in the two bills that herald a health-care revolution.
In short, the Obama platform would mandate extremely full, expensive, and highly subsidized coverage — including a lot of benefits people would never pay for with their own money — but deliver it through a highly restrictive, HMO-style plan that will determine what care and tests you can and can’t have. It’s a revolution, all right, but in the wrong direction.
For the remainder of this debacle…
http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107408/5-freedoms-you-would-lose-in-health-care-reform.html?mod=insurance-health
Obama/Dems are penalizing those that have achieved something in their lives for the sake of the lazy and the BUMS!
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
10:50 am
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
10:42 am
Totally unacceptable and it won’t get passed, but I would beg to differ with your last sentence.
Paul
July 28th, 2009
10:53 am
Hey Bosch
[[Better living through pharmaceuticals.]]
Don’t forget the natural, organic route – distillates of corn, wheat, potatoes… a little modified grape juice… some barley and other grains with a bit of yeast added…
I thought hot sauce was supposed to be GOOD for you? Kill off all the bad flora and fauna and all that -
Midori
I do hope this episode will cause people to think before they speak, be open to the idea that each situation is new and not a repeat of the past, and that change is possible, regardless of one’s experiences.
TnGelding
July 28th, 2009
10:56 am
Worst is over?
NEW YORK (AP) — A widely watched index shows home prices posted their first monthly increase since the summer of 2006, indicating prices are finally stabilizing.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOME_PRICES?SITE=GACAT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-07-28-09-54-18
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
10:59 am
TnG -
“Hope they don’t get drunk and brawl on the WH lawn. Maybe they should invite more potential litigants to the party?”
if you haven’t seen today’s Luckovich, it’s priceless …
Paul –
“Don’t forget the natural, organic route – distillates of corn, wheat, potatoes… a little modified grape juice… some barley and other grains with a bit of yeast added…”
now, that’s my kind of holistic medicine!
@@
July 28th, 2009
11:01 am
USinUK:
unless you live in a country with socialized medicine and know what it’s like firsthand, then, really sit down and let the grown-ups talk.
If I believed everything I read on this site, I’d believe you live in the U.K. and know of what you speak, Ms. Groaner Upper. It’s far more likely that the “place” where you reside is a figment of your imagination — not mine.
My former minister (whom I adore) is a british citizen with an unreliable ticker and a previous bout with prostrate cancer. He resides here in the states 9 months out of the year and 3 months in the U.K.. He’s in his late sixties.
When it comes to everday ailments, he’s O.K. with the U.K.’s healthcare. When it comes to critical care, he opts for the good ol’ U.S.A. although he considers the price tag a shocker. He’s learning his way around it though.
When it comes to illness among the aged, the brits do refer to it as “a duty to die”. It’s the reason for their push towards legalized euthanasia.
Consequentialists similarly think there is no intrinsic value in a human life; the only value lies in the quality of the life that is being lived. That’s why Lady Warnock thinks that if people have lost their faculties, they should forfeit their existence to benefit others whose lives are – in her eyes – worth more.
This is indeed the path to barbarism. But Lady Warnock is by no means alone in holding these views. They are mainstream among our secular, anti-religious elites – and alarmingly, nowhere more so than in the medical profession.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1059166/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-Now-intellectuals-think-old-frail-duty-die-path-barbarism.html#ixzz0MZmNiTVd
Do I support living wills? Absolutely but only if the individual is lucid when they’re executed.
I do not, however, support government assisted death for profit.
Dignitas under investigation for ‘profiteering’ from assisted suicide patients
The Swiss euthanasia clinic Dignitas that has helped close to 1,000 people kill themselves is under investigation amid fears it may be profiteering from its vulnerable patients.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4160472/Dignitas-under-investigation-for-profiteering-from-assisted-suicide-patients.html
The founder of the group is reported to have become a millionaire by helping at least 870 terminally ill people – an estimated 100 of whom were British – die. It is said to have taken as much as £61,000 from one woman, 10 times its usual fee.
Today I’m a teacher here in the U.S. who is on summer break. Tomorrow I’m gonna be a proctologist/brain surgeon in the U.K.
My services will cost you £0.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
11:05 am
No more than 156 degrees at distillation fusel alcohol is bad
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
11:07 am
It leads to dumb hillbilly republicans
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:08 am
@@ –
“I’d believe you live in the U.K. and know of what you speak, Ms. Groaner Upper. It’s far more likely that the “place” where you reside is a figment of your imagination — not mine”
right. cuz I have nothing better to do. I believe those who make that kind of assertion are usually guilty of the crime, themselves – or, as the saying goes “he who smelt it dealt it”.
“Tomorrow I’m gonna be a proctologist/brain surgeon in the U.K.”
well, considering some of your past posts, I believe proctologist is at least in the right neighborhood.
as far as the right to die, yes. we’re trying to kill off the old and infirm. sadly, though, with global warming, there are no ice floes on which to push them off, out to sea.
or, it could be because we don’t think that people should be prosecuted just for helping people get to a foreign country where they can die with some dignity. I’ve seen people die from cancer – there’s no dignity there. none at all.
(but then, I could be making that up, too).
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
11:09 am
@@,
You are a parapro who is on summer break.
FrankLeeDarling
July 28th, 2009
11:13 am
This is funny http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/william-shatner-makes-pal_n_246034.html
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:16 am
@@ – and as for your minister –
“When it comes to everday ailments, he’s O.K. with the U.K.’s healthcare. When it comes to critical care, he opts for the good ol’ U.S.A. although he considers the price tag a shocker. He’s learning his way around it though.”
considering people can’t afford to be seen by a doctor for everyday ailments, THAT is the problem in the US. ask any ER staffer how many patients they see now for “primary” care rather than urgent care (or urgent care that didn’t have to be urgent if they could have afforded a regular doctor)
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
11:18 am
TN- Going back to an earlier subject, not only do I know Bruno is going to run, I know what her kampaign slogan will be-
I told you so.
But it will be all for naught, Palin will rule her.
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July 28th, 2009
11:21 am
Bosch:
Technically (were I in the public school system) you’d be right. Since I’m the only teacher in the classroom and since I’m solely responsible for the progress of my students, the parents and my director of education classify my position as that of a teacher (among one of their best) according to them.
And you are…..?
USinUK:
I’ve seen people die from cancer – there’s no dignity there. none at all.
and I’ve seen people here in the U.S. who beat their prognosis of terminal cancer through the miracles of modern medicine here in the U.S.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
11:22 am
Chicago Sees Coldest July In 67 Years, Average Temperature Only 68.9 Degrees
eewwww, I mean, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:26 am
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“and I’ve seen people here in the U.S. who beat their prognosis of terminal cancer through the miracles of modern medicine here in the U.S”
wow. modern medicine? like, you don’t use maggots and burning sage to beat diseases, anymore??? ooooooo …
my mother died of lung cancer right there in Marietta, darlin … so, please take your assumptions and place them ever-so-gently where the sun don’t shine.
if someone decides they’ve had enough of the pain, that’s their decision and their morals and their god to deal with – not yours. they should have the legal right to say to a doctor “thank you for all your help, but I’d like to check out, now”
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 28th, 2009
11:27 am
“The reality is, the Russians are where they are,” Biden said, in comments published Saturday. “They have a shrinking population base, they have a withering economy, they have a banking sector and structure that is not likely to be able to withstand the next 15 years, they’re in a situation where the world is changing before them and they’re clinging to something in the past that is not sustainable.”
The Kremlin sent a bristling response questioning whether the president or the vice president was shaping U.S. foreign policy goals, and Clinton tried to smooth things over by calling Russia a “great power” in an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” But the damage was done.
No, no, don’t get excited y’all, Obozo still wants to surrender.
It’s all cool.
Dave R.
July 28th, 2009
11:30 am
Shatner’s DA BOMB!
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July 28th, 2009
11:30 am
USinUK:
The biggest contributor to rising healthcare costs here in the U.S. is the fact that E.R.s are overwhelmed with those who come in for the most minor of ailments — people who don’t hesitate because it costs them nothing and people who are lacking in common sense like the Mrs. Beauchaines of the world.
Let me know when and how OUR preferred government can mandate common sense.
Bosch
July 28th, 2009
11:31 am
@@,
“And you are?” Well, I guess since you can be a teacher, then so am I!
Gotta love private schools! You don’t even have to go to college and can call yourself a teacher.
Kind of like being a Baptist minister – one day you can be a homeless drug addict on the street, and the next day – “Hey! I’m a preacher now – praise the Lord!”
@@
July 28th, 2009
11:33 am
USinUK:
This blog’s prickly cucumber who’s lost his cool?
Doggone/GA
July 28th, 2009
11:34 am
“ask any ER staffer how many patients they see now for “primary” care rather than urgent care ”
“the fact that E.R.s are overwhelmed with those who come in for the most minor of ailments”
@@ – in case you just didn’t notice, you’re making USinUK’S case stronger…by more or less repeating the SAME information.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:35 am
Once again here are your lost freedoms with ObamaCare…
http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107408/5-freedoms-you-would-lose-in-health-care-reform.html?mod=insurance-health
Read it and weep.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:36 am
Gee, I hope the illegals keep getting their free ObamaCare for which they are entitled.
Kamchak
July 28th, 2009
11:38 am
Bosch
The Blues won the World Futbol Challenge in the final without having to risk Terry, Drogba, Anelka or Lampard. Life is good.
On a somber note—-The U.S. lost The Gold Cup 5-0 to the Mexicans.
USinUK
July 28th, 2009
11:38 am
@@ –
“The biggest contributor to rising healthcare costs here in the U.S. is the fact that E.R.s are overwhelmed with those who come in for the most minor of ailments”
no, the biggest contributor to rising healthcare costs is prescription drugs and technology:
http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358
“Spending on prescription drugs and new medical technologies has been cited as the primary contributor to the increase in overall health spending. Some analysts state that the availability of more expensive, state-of-the-art drugs and technological services fuels health care spending not only because the development costs of these products must be recouped by industry but also because they generate consumer demand for more intense, costly services even if they are not necessarily cost-effective”
so, the next time you see one of the umpteen commercials telling you to ask your doctor for AstroZenicaBuProfinItol, know that your healthcare costs just went up …
“Let me know when and how OUR preferred government can mandate common sense.”
oh, that we could.
Turd Ferguson
July 28th, 2009
11:39 am
We need Obama to investigate these “Excess profits” that were first revealed in a startling expose’ by The HildaBeast.
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July 28th, 2009
11:40 am
Bosch:
Gotta love private schools! You don’t even have to go to college and can call yourself a teacher.
I do have a college degree in a field that is of great value in my chosen profession.
I could work in the public schools where special ed is more or less warehousing for babysitters with teaching degrees.
When one of our students is mainstreamed into the public school after our efforts in early intervention, it’s those teachers with degrees who want to know how we got them to their advanced levels in learning.
Now, I will discuss, no further, my students or their education. Why? Because they (my students) have, in the past, been the object of leftist ridicule here.