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Pennsylvanian
July 31st, 2009
11:41 am
TnGelding
July 31st, 2009
10:58 am
USinUK says the problem stemmed from unregulated derivative from subprime mortgages. So how does that implicate Jimmy? Oh, my God! Are you suggesting the CRA of 1977, signed into law by Jimmy, has something to do with this?
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
11:42 am
USinUK ,went to the boys room during sing along(long movie)
but I can tell you the coffee smells and taste delicious on this rainy day in the ATL
jt
July 31st, 2009
11:48 am
We Don’t Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
10:58 am
jt,
“Please tell me you are not a birther?”
I am not. THAT qualification for presidency is irrelevant, in that according to law, he is not qualified to be CinC. (no drug-use waiver).
His birth certificate DID look funny though.
Pennsylvanian
July 31st, 2009
11:48 am
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
10:48 am
Penn -
“ew. thongs. I spent my entire life trying to keep my undies out of my behind, why would I want to wear something that puts them right back up there.”
Gone commando?
“as for bakers, ….”
LOL! I’m gonna have to break and buy some reading glasses. Mother was right about that. too.
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
11:50 am
heading home … later taters!!!
Dusty
July 31st, 2009
11:52 am
Ah dear USinUK,
Sweets for the sweet!! But “bangers and mash”??? Last time I was in London I was served a plate of white potatoes, white cabbage, white turnips, white bread and white pork with a special slice of white fat on top.. Does that constitute “bangers and mash”? I didn’t get much of a bang out of it. I did gat a bump from Churchill at the wax museum. Still…London is a lovely place. Loved it. But…Paris might be better a la cuisine.
jt
July 31st, 2009
11:52 am
Gandalf, the Great: King and Wizard of Gwinnesia
July 31st, 2009
10:56 am
Barry drinks Bud Light, what a PU$$Y!
And JOE drinks non-alcholic.
Pansies.
David
July 31st, 2009
11:54 am
Scooter,
@ 11:40
That was my motto during the 80’s
“I got somethin’ to say. It’s better to burn out, than fade awaaaaaay!!!”
jt
July 31st, 2009
11:55 am
Dusty-
Beaufort National Cemetary is magical.
The water/marsh front in that cemetary is one of the best place to find giant sharkteeth.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
11:56 am
Speaking of beer, it’s just about that time! C’mon noon!
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
11:59 am
gotta six pack of Anchor steam callin’ my name
David
July 31st, 2009
12:01 pm
Here’s another newer one for the ladies. Again courtesy of my teenage daughter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVWaVhvrh0
Hope you like it.
Dusty
July 31st, 2009
12:05 pm
TnGelding,
I do apologize. You made such a fine gesture and I goofed! The Overture was great, a jewel in the lowly savage swamp., a ride to the rescue!
To show my appreciation I invite you to the White House for a few beers. We can get over this thing! It just takes understanding!! diddy dum diddy dum diddy dum dum dum ……
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
12:14 pm
Looks like someone has read Obama’s Health Care Plan Details.
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill – Gov’t will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
Example – Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members – Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. They will insert Government into your marriage.
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Gov’t will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 Gov’t may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US including your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can you say unions & ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Gov’t will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Gov’t know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, Govt will transfer $$ from to other Govt Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 628 Sec 1443 Gov’t will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Gov’t may implement any “Quality measure” of HC Services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Gov’t wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Gov’t will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Pg 676-686 Gov’t will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the Gov’t with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of HC plan isn’t in Gov’t HC Exchange but you qualify for Fed aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secr gets complaints (ACORN) on HC provider or supplier, Gov’t can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/ suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 Gov’t MANDATES Doctors must have face to face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Svcs.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Gov’t certifications will apply to Medicaid & CHIP (your kids)
PG 724 Lines 16-22 Gov’t reserves rt to apply face to face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 Gov’t sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (Thats your tax dollars people)
Pg 757-762 Fed gov’t will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin
Pg 765 Sec 1711 Gov’t will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Gov’t – Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Svcs include-economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Govt ABORTIONS anyone
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Gov’t mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 Gov’t will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control Drs’ education.
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. to register. Gov’t takes over private payment sys.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Govt will identify individ. ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Govt Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Gov’t will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Gov’t for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Gov’t will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Prog. includes Gov’t coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Gov’t will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s Billion.
Pg 865 The Gov’t will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs.
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.
PG 935 21-22 Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!
PG 936 Govt will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards” Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Gov’t? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOV’T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 Gov’t will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?
Mathew D. Staver*
Founder and Chairman Dean and Professor of Law
Liberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law
TnGelding
July 31st, 2009
12:14 pm
“Biggest Holders of US Gov’t Debt”
“As the US government spends an unprecedented amount of money to fix the nation’s economy, there is an equally great need to raise the cash to pay for it. This is accomplished through borrowing, whereby Uncle Sam sells Treasury securities of varying maturity.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29880401
Bud Wiser
July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm
And inside this envelope is the question for the following answer: Cash for Clunkers
“C a s h f o r C l u n k e r s”
[rip, tear, phttttt.....]
“What is the payroll for Congress and the White House?”
Dusty
July 31st, 2009
12:24 pm
jt,
Oh Beaufort is lovely and the National Cemetery is a treasure of peace and tranquility.
But shark’s teeth? Really? Can’t picture that in that location. but sounds interesting. Fossils, I assume.
I have some beautiful opalescent seashell fossils found in South Dakota when I was working on the Cheyenne River Reservation. Just break open round rocks by the fields and there they were. Boggles the mind to think about when and where and how these fossil creatures once lived.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
12:25 pm
Lord Help Us- I don’t remember asking you, ifin you know what I mean.
Lord help you ifin you aint figgered out that this is a public forum yet. I don’t have to ask. ‘Course, you don’t either. Ain’t freedom grand.
Finn McCool
July 31st, 2009
12:28 pm
Liberty University School of Law
hehehehehehehehehe
hahahahahahaha
This isn’t even a real school! You want to believe ginned up ideas by this perverted institution?
hehehehehehe. No one will ever take you serious if you mention this school using your real name.
hehehehe. funny
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
12:30 pm
Dusty, this for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_RHezEQt8o
getalife
July 31st, 2009
12:30 pm
The House will vote to move money to fund more cash for clunkers.
It works.
How about that. Bipartisan support.
Unity.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
12:32 pm
His birth certificate DID look funny though.
Yes indeed. Then again, them islanders always did have a mind of their own and if they’re happy with a form that looks like that, then what right do the other 49 have to speak ill of it. Next thing you know, folks in Minnesota will be complaining about the size of the photo on Georgia licenses and all hell will break loose. Where will it end.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
12:33 pm
@@, I do so love it when you start defending that eensy-teensy-weensy bit of overlap your sorry-arsed political party has managed to acheive with African Americans. It’s based mostly on Fear of a Gai Planet, sure. But it does get a tiny-tiny assist from some crazy-blown-outa-proportion quotes and circumstantial evidence about the PP founder’s supposed racism (which, of course, is the better part of a century old, but is supposed to stand up to 2009 mores.)
It’s quite the hoot.
So did your affirmative-action hire RNC chair say anything stupid today?
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
12:34 pm
Liberty University School of Law
That dawg training school over in Athens aint no better. They let Phil Gramm graduate.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
12:36 pm
So did your affirmative-action hire RNC chair say anything stupid today?
You mean, did he speak.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
12:36 pm
Liberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law
Schnort.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm
Steenking, ain’t freedom grand!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oi-8xl7uZs
jt
July 31st, 2009
12:40 pm
Dusty-
But shark’s teeth? Really? Can’t picture that in that location. but sounds interesting. Fossils, I assume.
Yes indeed. Just right down the road from the cemetary(maybe 2 miles) is Port Royal. The “beach” there is world famous for shark teeth.(fossilized). The WORLD record shark tooth was just recently found about 10 miles from there. A giant 10 inch MEGALODON.
I’ve got 1 inchers from the cemetary and Port Royal beach.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
12:41 pm
DB, was any of that stuff NT posted true?????
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
12:51 pm
Some REAL “traveling music”, who needs Jay anyway!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbMeU0q7zJ4
I guess y’ll can tell I just learned to post music.
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm
Standard fare from the left, You cannot dispute the information presented so you attack the person and the institution.
Scooter (12:41) Intelligent question. Let’s discuss the items presented, not the person/school presenting the information.
Is the information, as presented 100% accurate? I do not know. But by McCool & Steenking focusing on the school/person, leads me to think that there must be a whooole lot of truth to the information.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
Is the information, as presented 100% accurate? I do not know.
Then you shouldn’t be posting it. Jeez, a five year old knows that’s wrong.
jt
July 31st, 2009
1:04 pm
Night Train-
Good job on demonstrating what’s ahead. Sad to say,
You can bet that there will be repub traitors who help push it through.
When it is all said and done, only the roofers, contractor’s, working single mothers, etc….. will see a real cost increase.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm
RW, two things.
2) Yeah, it was me calling it “The Ted.” is that akin to calling Philadelphia “Philly”–the sort of thing that marks you as an outsider? I honestly didn’t know–I have been to the ballpark a few times, but am not a Braves fan, so I guess I’m not real concerned if I’m not keepin’ it real. But it’d be useful to know, so please advise.
2) USinUK copy/pasting CNN financial information constitutes “plagiarism”? Wow, drama queen much? Small wonder you’re so fond of our Sc@rlett.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm
Is the information, as presented 100% accurate? I do not know. But by McCool & Steenking focusing on the school/person, leads me to think that there must be a whooole lot of truth to the information.
And, if I complain about Hannity and his deliberate manipulation of videos in order to feed his fact-free frenzy, that would make him what? Riiiiight. You could just try cutting and pasting portions of the actual bill yourself instead of another’s mis-interpretation. That way, there is little room for you to be misunderestimated.
By the way, my focus was on that dawg training school and the fact that they let Phil Gramm loose on an unsuspecting world with a piece of sheep skin in hand. I just used that one that you cite as an intro.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm
Two things. Both equally important. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm
OK NT, I’m open for discussion! I can tell you right off that I like MY situation the way it is and really don’t want it to “change”.I guess I am being selfish??? Fire away!
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
1:15 pm
12:14, no real text from the bill to back up opinion from a right wing homophobic institution
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm
SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
(a) Establishment-
(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.
(2) CHAIR- The Surgeon General shall be a member and the chair of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee.
(3) MEMBERSHIP- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall be composed of the following members, in addition to the Surgeon General:
(A) 9 members who are not Federal employees or officers and who are appointed by the President.
(B) 9 members who are not Federal employees or officers and who are appointed by the Comptroller General of the United States in a manner similar to the manner in which the Comptroller General appoints members to the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission under section 1805(c) of the Social Security Act.
(C) Such even number of members (not to exceed
who are Federal employees and officers, as the President may appoint.
Such initial appointments shall be made not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
(4) TERMS- Each member of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall serve a 3-year term on the Committee, except that the terms of the initial members shall be adjusted in order to provide for a staggered term of appointment for all such members.
(5) PARTICIPATION- The membership of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least reflect providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health care financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies. and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children’s health and shall represent a balance among various sectors of the health care system so that no single sector unduly influences the recommendations of such Committee.
(b) Duties-
(1) RECOMMENDATIONS ON BENEFIT STANDARDS- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall recommend to the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the `Secretary’) benefit standards (as defined in paragraph (4)), and periodic updates to such standards. In developing such recommendations, the Committee shall take into account innovation in health care and consider how such standards could reduce health disparities.
(2) DEADLINE- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall recommend initial benefit standards to the Secretary not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.
(3) PUBLIC INPUT- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall allow for public input as a part of developing recommendations under this subsection.
(4) BENEFIT STANDARDS DEFINED- In this subtitle, the term `benefit standards’ means standards respecting–
(A) the essential benefits package described in section 122, including categories of covered treatments, items and services within benefit classes, and cost-sharing; and
(B) the cost-sharing levels for enhanced plans and premium plans (as provided under section 203(c)) consistent with paragraph (5).
(5) LEVELS OF COST-SHARING FOR ENHANCED AND PREMIUM PLANS-
(A) ENHANCED PLAN- The level of cost-sharing for enhanced plans shall be designed so that such plans have benefits that are actuarially equivalent to approximately 85 percent of the actuarial value of the benefits provided under the reference benefits package described in section 122(c)(3)(B).
(B) PREMIUM PLAN- The level of cost-sharing for premium plans shall be designed so that such plans have benefits that are actuarially equivalent to approximately 95 percent of the actuarial value of the benefits provided under the reference benefits package described in section 122(c)(3)(B).
(c) Operations-
(1) PER DIEM PAY- Each member of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall receive travel expenses, including per diem in accordance with applicable provisions under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, and shall otherwise serve without additional pay.
(2) MEMBERS NOT TREATED AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES- Members of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall not be considered employees of the Federal government solely by reason of any service on the Committee.
(3) APPLICATION OF FACA- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.), other than section 14, shall apply to the Health Benefits Advisory Committee.
(d) Publication- The Secretary shall provide for publication in the Federal Register and the posting on the Internet website of the Department of Health and Human Services of all recommendations made by the Health Benefits Advisory Committee under this section.
Bruno
July 31st, 2009
1:21 pm
“Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.”
Night Train–Good work! Now maybe some of the doubters here (read USinUK and WDN) will understand why this bill is as un-American as they come.
“are you effing kidding me??? I’m sorry, B-dog, but the “they hate our freedoms” excuse is tired and plain wore-out from overuse. Next thing you know, it’s going to be used for late-returns at the library.”
No, I’m not effing kidding you, dear. And with a gun to my head and its hand in my pocket, the loss of freedom I speak of isn’t some esoteric imagined loss of freedom. My health and choice of health care are my choice and my choice alone to make. You and all of the other self-proclaimed do-gooders are crossing lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Come up with a voluntary plan, and I will endorse it.
” love freedom, me … I think the freedom to know that you won’t lose all your savings and your house just because you are diagnosed with breast cancer is a great thing. I love the freedom of knowing that our businesses that compete internationally will be on a more level playingfield with other companies that don’t have to cover the skyrocketing costs of health care of their employees. I love the freedom of knowing that, when 6.something million people are laid off during a major economic downturn, that they can take their sick children to a doctor without worrying what bill they won’t be able to pay.”
Unfortunately, USinUK, the price of true freedom includes the freedom to make bad choices and the freedom to fail. Your fail-safe world that you wish existed also comes with a high price tag, however. I’ve talked to scores of people through the years who grew up under Socialism and Communism, and they all prefer freedom.
As we have discussed ad nauseum on W2W, there are many simple ways to lower the cost of health care and to protect people from losing their life savings in the case that a catastrophic illness strikes. Unlike you, I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don’t forget, I’ve seen health care from the inside for 23+ years. I know too well all of the fraud and waste which is poisoning our current system. Why not focus on those problems first before trying to revamp the whole system?
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
1:22 pm
1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS.
Section 1833(t) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395l(t)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
`(18) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS-
`(A) STUDY- The Secretary shall conduct a study to determine if, under the system under this subsection, costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) with respect to ambulatory payment classification groups exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection (as determined appropriate by the Secretary).
`(B) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT- Insofar as the Secretary determines under subparagraph (A) that costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection, the Secretary shall provide for an appropriate adjustment under paragraph (2)(E) to reflect those higher costs effective for services furnished on or after January 1, 2011.’.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:24 pm
DB, was any of that stuff NT posted true?????
Well, sure, most all of it, except for the stuff they made up.
Seriously, just take a look at a couple of items at random. You really think those are honest depictions of what is in the bill, or some heavily editorialized, melodramatic presumptions, being listed there?
The one that lept to mind as I just now scanned the list, though was this:
Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Now, you know already that one’s a flat-out lie. There’s nothing “mandatory” about what’s been proposed. And calling it “Gov’t” is nonsense as well.
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
1:25 pm
SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT.
(a) In General- Section 1859(f)(1) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-28(f)(1)) is amended by striking `January 1, 2011′ and inserting `January 1, 2013 (or January 1, 2016, in the case of a plan described in section 1177(b)(1) of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009)’.
(b) Grandfathering of Certain Plans-
(1) PLANS DESCRIBED- For purposes of section 1859(f)(1) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-28(f)(1)), a plan described in this paragraph is a plan that had a contract with a State that had a State program to operate an integrated Medicaid-Medicare program that had been approved by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services as of January 1, 2004.
(2) ANALYSIS; REPORT- The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall provide, through a contract with an independent health services evaluation organization, for an analysis of the plans described in paragraph (1) with regard to the impact of such plans on cost, quality of care, patient satisfaction, and other subjects as specified by the Secretary. Not later than December 31, 2011, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a report on such analysis and shall include in such report such recommendations with regard to the treatment of such plans as the Secretary deems appropriate.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:26 pm
OK NT, I’m open for discussion! I can tell you right off that I like MY situation the way it is and really don’t want it to “change”.I guess I am being selfish???
No, just willfully ignorant, if you choose to believe stuff that’s been calibrated to scare you.
Gale
July 31st, 2009
1:28 pm
jt: A ten inch shark tooth!! Oh, now you are talkin’ just like my dad. I don’t know if I can believe that fish story.
FrankLeeDarling: (That sounds SO southern!) You should be passing that Anchor Steam around, sir.
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:31 pm
FLD –
thanks for the memories of SRC … probably the best coffee shop on the planet …
Dusty –
bangers and mash = sausages, caramalized onions, onion gravy and mashed potatoes (usually with a side of peas) … and when you’re having real English weather in the winter (cold, damp and yucky), there is nothing better … mmmm
sorry you had such a bad experience when you were here – I’m happy to make recommendatIons next time you’re across the pond!! there are some FAB places to go that won’t make you take out a second mortgage
Penn –
ewwwww, commando … ew. ew. ew.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
1:38 pm
Ok,just a few things at random “PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals”
SO?
And this is bad? ” (5) PARTICIPATION- The membership of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least reflect providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health care financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies. and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children’s health and shall represent a balance among various sectors of the health care system so that no single sector unduly influences the recommendations of such Committee.’
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
1:40 pm
I know what you conservative Republicans need most. A little rockin’ freedom and Liberty for Ur drive home today.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
1:42 pm
Passing around beer
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
1:43 pm
Enjoy your weekend reading.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:
Those without legal training, just sit back and scratch your head and keep repeating,”they won’t do that” … “they won’t do that” … “they won’t do that” … “they won’t do that” …
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:44 pm
Bruno –
“Night Train–Good work! Now maybe some of the doubters here (read USinUK and WDN) will understand why this bill is as un-American as they come”
yep. and the gummint is going to leave you in a bathtub full of ice with a note on your chest that says
“call 911 right now – we just took your kidney!!!”
sheesh, B-dog – if you believe what the brain trust at Liberty University is selling, then I’ve got some priiiiiiiiime ocean-front real estate to sell you …
“My health and choice of health care are my choice and my choice alone to make. You and all of the other self-proclaimed do-gooders are crossing lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Come up with a voluntary plan, and I will endorse it.”
may I suggest you start reading something other than the 2009 equivalent of Harry and Louise:
HOW YOU CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE: Through a new Health Insurance Exchange open to individuals and, initially, small employers; it could be expanded to large employers over time. States could opt to operate their own exchanges in place of the national exchange if they follow federal rules.
BENEFIT PACKAGE: A committee would recommend an “essential benefits package” including preventive services, mental health services, oral heath and vision for children; out-of pocket costs would be capped. The new benefit package would be the basic benefit package offered in the exchange and over time would become the minimum quality standard for employer plans. Insurers wouldn’t be able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.
GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: A new public plan available through the insurance exchanges would be set up and run by the secretary of Health and Human Services. Democrats originally designed the plan to pay Medicare rates plus 5 percent to doctors, but under Wednesday’s deal with the fiscal conservatives the HHS secretary would instead negotiate rates with providers.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i41RM2oyMgCk3ZGKmxZ4mOvQUdhgD99OF6SO0
no one is taking away choice – they’re just making it possible for EVERYone to be covered.
as far as freedom to fail – while that’s a lovely sentiment, Mr. Galt, there is no reason that a civilized country should let people “fail” just because they or their loved ones got sick. there are plenty of other ways people can fall off the jungle gym without letting something that is outside their control knock them off.
if that makes me a “do-gooder” – then, GOOD.
… in the meantime … the October issue – do you know if it’ll be online??? if so, will you post links, tatt-man???
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
1:45 pm
USinUK, question for ya. How’s the government dental plan working out for all the locals over there?
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:47 pm
… and, since I named this as one of my deserted island songs, I thought I’d post my favorite version of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRJo50vEXg
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
1:47 pm
Franklee @ 1.38, mostly I love how “MANDDATES ” is mis-spledd.
(yeah, it’s probably spelled correctly in the original Liberty U. screed; our Night Train, or whomever chose to email-forward this wad o’ junk to him, probably decided to overtype the original in all caps to make it EXXTRA-scary.)
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
Night Train –
“USinUK, question for ya. How’s the government dental plan working out for all the locals over there?”
a lot better than the government dental plan working out for all the locals over there.
oh, hey, waitaminnit …
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:49 pm
Gwinecian —
re: manddates …
well, they just wanted to clarify that they didn’t mean MAN DATES … cuz, you know, it’s Liberty University and all and they don’t abide by all that gay agenda stuff …
Bruno
July 31st, 2009
1:50 pm
“Seriously, just take a look at a couple of items at random. You really think those are honest depictions of what is in the bill, or some heavily editorialized, melodramatic presumptions, being listed there?”
Night Train–Keep the facts rolling, buddy. One thing I’ve found that liberals can’t handle are cold, hard facts. In their la-la dream world, you should be able to provide unlimited health care to everyone and everybody, citizens or not, with absolutely no consequences whatsoever. And if that requires giving the government unfettered access to your checking account, that is no price to pay at all in their minds.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
1:51 pm
DB, I don’t willfully believe all that stuff. That is why I asked you if any of it was true! I know i’m not all that smart and your comment was uncalled for. I am just tring to learn.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
1:54 pm
“MANDDATES ” I just thought it might be so kind of gay fruit they were opposed to
Bruno
July 31st, 2009
1:55 pm
“no one is taking away choice – they’re just making it possible for EVERYone to be covered.”
The only choice I’m asking for is the choice to be left out of this plan, to take care of my own health care needs as I see fit, without having my checking account directly accessed by those who think that they can choose better for me.
Simple enough?
Gale
July 31st, 2009
1:55 pm
FrankLee, you’re a gentleman. We toast you with the beers you passed around.
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:55 pm
oh, and Gwinecian –
“2) USinUK copy/pasting CNN financial information constitutes “plagiarism”? Wow, drama queen much?”
it’s called deflection – rather than acknowledge that the universe didn’t fall apart because the Dems took office, he’d rather have his ZOMG!!! YOU SO DIDN’T CREDIT THAT!!! hissyfit … (option 1, acknowledge he’s wrong … Option 2, OMG!OMG!OMG! I’m tellliiiiiiiinnnnnnnn)
Doggone/GA
July 31st, 2009
1:58 pm
“without having my checking account directly accessed”
Why have a checking account? It’s not that hard to go “cash only”
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
1:58 pm
B-dog –
“Simple enough?”
and from the description above, it sounds like that’s an option … no one is doing away with your aetna or unitedhealth … they are just finding ways of expanding services to EVERYone.
don’t believe the hype … especially if it comes from numpties at Liberty University
USinUK
July 31st, 2009
2:00 pm
suppahtime … back in a while …
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
2:00 pm
Again, read it for yourself then ask yourself, did it really say that?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:
Forget the message, just kill the messenger. The mantra of the left is still alive and well.
“Seriously, just take a look at a couple of items at random. You really think those are honest depictions of what is in the bill, or some heavily editorialized, melodramatic presumptions, being listed there?”
Now why don’t you read it and lend us your learned opinion of all the ‘legalize’ and double speak. Oh, and ‘wtf’ does not count as an opinion.
Gandalf, the Great: King and Wizard of Gwinnesia
July 31st, 2009
2:05 pm
If Joe really had a non alcoholic malt beverage, and I was SGT Crowley, I would have arrested him for impersonating a man. The race baiter had a a redstripe? I would have had them get me something harder to get.
Night Train
July 31st, 2009
2:05 pm
USinUK, especially if it comes from numpties at Liberty University
Is the bar exam different for graduates of Emory Law School, Harvard Law School, or UGA Law School (do they have one).?
Where did you receive your law degree from, if I may ask?
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm
NT @ 2, I tried your link and got a blank page????
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
2:10 pm
From NC’s cut-n-paste from the Falwell Institute of heavenly Rock:
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
From NC’s cut-n-paste of HR 3200 (has this one been through committee and voted on, I have not checked):
SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
(a) Establishment-
(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.
(2) CHAIR- The Surgeon General shall be a member and the chair of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee.
(3) MEMBERSHIP- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall be composed of the following members, in addition to the Surgeon General:…
So, the bill states that there will be a public-private advisory committee that makes recommendations and folks like the Surgeon General will be on this committee. (Thank God that there will be educated people on there that know something about medicine and such.) But, the Liberty U hyperbole seems to leave off all that pertinent information. Bottom line, don’t waste your time with that trash from Liberty U, NT.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 31st, 2009
2:10 pm
DB:
To give a serious answer to your three songs post, I honestly don’t think I could pick 3. I think I’d have a hard time limiting it to 300. So many things factor in, particular time, particular mood, etc.
I know that violates the rules of the question but us hillbillies always have had trouble following rules.
Bruno
July 31st, 2009
2:10 pm
“and from the description above, it sounds like that’s an option … no one is doing away with your aetna or unitedhealth … they are just finding ways of expanding services to EVERYone.”
Under ObamaCare, every citizen will be required to carry health insurance whether they want and need it, or not, ala Mitt Romney’s failed plan in Massachussets. I’ve got to run, but invite you to google and find out how well that particular plan is working. From a link I read last night, none of the anticipated benefits have materialized, and costs have gone through the roof in no time (big surprise). In particular, the number of emergency room visits have INCREASED in Mass., and didn’t DECREASE as predicted, which has been one of the Left’s biggest arguments for the mandated coverage.
“Why have a checking account? It’s not that hard to go “cash only”.
Believe me, Doggone, I’ll do everything in my power to go cash once Obama and his Wise Men decide that it is their RIGHT to access my checking account.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
2:11 pm
Oops, NT, I referred to you as “NC” twice. I don’t know why.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
2:12 pm
hate to drink alone let have another
j$
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
From the earlier days of the Dixie Chicks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfC5Mn7t7uQ
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
So, Romney’s plan failed in Mass. Well, that’s pretty solid proof that we should not rely on a Republican to get it right, I mean, correct.
Bruno
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
Here’s my three songs:
“Waves Within”–Carlos Santana
“Scarlet Begonias/Fire On the Mountain”–Grateful Dead
“Blue Sky”–Allman Bros.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 31st, 2009
2:17 pm
Scooter @ 10:26
What a smooth voice Jim Ed has. That’s an underated classic there.
Normal
July 31st, 2009
2:18 pm
Hillbilly, howdy! Last night when you and the others were discussing
Gettysburg, and Pickett’s charge, did you consider the two fences flanking the sunken road? That was where the charge broke, and most of Picketts men stayed. Just think trying to climb that fence…talk about a sitting duck! Still there have been stories of southerners making it to the stonewall. I remember one about two brothers, one Union and the other Confederate meeting at the wall. The union one begged his brother to stay, but he turned around and went back down the hill…Crazy, scarey stuff, brother against brother, father against son.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
2:20 pm
I know i’m not all that smart
Well, I don’t think the issue is any lack of intelligence, just a lack of healthy skepticism, is all. When some guy barges in here with some beyond-tainted, hyper-editorialized cherry-picked list that’s laughable on its face, I really don’t see why you should assume that guy has any credibility whatsoever.
Put another way–you ain’t gonna learn much about the healthcare proposals by reading our reactions to it. Better to find a variety of reasonably respectable primary news sources to get down-the-middle reporting, and then look to see what news analysts, from differing points of view (say the Wall St. Journal on the right, the Nation on the left?) and try formulating an opinion based on what you’ve learned from that.
Just my two cents, offer not valid in all fitty states, your mileage may vary.
And my humble apologies for any rash, uncalled-for rhetoric I’ve tossed your way.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
2:20 pm
here’s one for you USinUK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9xz8Y1T_WA&feature=related
“we could gather throw up beer”
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
Hey hillbilly, got something for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8bLjIMX3bE
Thanks to Normal,DB and RW I can post my own music now!
DB, Gwinnettian
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
And now that H. Delux is here, I’m officially shutting down my political side and sticking to music, because that’s what I do for the Friday pm driving-music threads.
Hillbilly, I really can’t get it down to three either; my inclination if I’m to take the challenge seriously would be to lean toward fairly new-to-me, not-fully-appreciated-yet stuff. Reason being that if I’m really and truly stranded, I could always sing or fashion some kind of instrument with which to play the music I already know by heart; better to try to suss out something that I think will become my next must-hear.
If I can think of three that fit that criteria I’ll post ‘em, later.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
What DB said at 2:20 ‘cept for the uncalled for rhetoric. I ain’t waitin’ for folks to call for it.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
Scooter @ 12:30
Great bass line in that song.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 31st, 2009
2:26 pm
So, there’s another 2 billion being put toward the cash-for-clunkers program. Let’s see, we can drop one more F-22 and that should cover it. That only leaves about a little over 600 billion more wasted DoD dollars to put to better use.
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
2:28 pm
2:23 hell yeah go ricky go! man that guy has fast fingers
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm
FrankLee, don’t worry about drinking alone, I started at noon!
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:32 pm
Thanks for your last post to me DB. I will heed your advise too!
Doggone/GA
July 31st, 2009
2:38 pm
Scooter…when it comes to information on the internet and in email…the overriding principle: “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is not true” is in effect. And so is the corollary: “if it sounds to BAD to be true, it probably is not true either”
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 31st, 2009
2:39 pm
Normal @2:18
It’s been a while since I’ve read anything about Pickett’s Charge. I was going from memory so I’d have to bone up to have a detailed discussion. I do remember that many of the retreating soldiers walked backwards towards their lines because they didn’t want to be found shot in the back. How’s that for a sense of honor? Like I said last night, those guys on both sides were made of some serious stuff.
Scooter @2:23
One of my favorite versions of one of my favorite Gospel songs. Don’t know if you’ve ever seen those boys in person but if you haven’t and get the chance to, do it.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 31st, 2009
2:44 pm
I have to go for a bit but I’ll leave y’all with one. Bruce Springsteen did a version of this song but to me the original is how it should be done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv5BYEOQYLo
Special Bonus track:
(You dancers should like this one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6nRKvQs2Fg&feature=related
Later Taters.
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:45 pm
Hillbilly, have never seen Ricky but would like to!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 31st, 2009
2:45 pm
Did they say what they’re going to do with my body when they kill me in the hospitle under this plan? Can I have a Christian burial?
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:48 pm
Yeah Doggone, I guess that kinda goes along with never believe anything you hear and…..
AmVet
July 31st, 2009
2:49 pm
DB, supposedly he/she/it has the wrong genitalia, but after reading his/hers/its lurking inanity for awhile, there is little doubt, Riki Tiki Ballerina is fo sho, a drama queen…
Scooter, congrats! You’ve become a real music linking monster! Great stuff. Keep it up!
One of the greatest Irish musicians ever. Turn it way up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKaiHamPT54
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:50 pm
No Redneck, you will get a Muslim burial! lol
Scooter
July 31st, 2009
2:53 pm
I tried this for a living at one point in my life and hated it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkxX-1gdMg
Normal
July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm
We have been discussing health care her and in a perverted sort of way this is how I feel about the program…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMqVrUSz62o – 124k
FrankLeeDarling
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
FrankLee, don’t worry about drinking alone, I started at noon!
Oh good ,that means i was only drinking alone for five minutes