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I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
I always thought Texas Chainsaw Massacre was a classic.
Brrrpp brrrp wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@@
July 29th, 2009
5:43 pm
Well GJ, Kamchak & Curious:
Scarlett is described as the protagonist in the story.
I think of myself more as the antagonist. You simply must learn to contend with me….like it or not.
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
5:44 pm
Obama Administration Cooks Up New Legal Argument for Detaining Guantanamo Prisoner
http://www.truthout.org/072809A
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
Poor ol GreenJeans,
Can’t stand the thought of a Southern “beauty” and survivor. . The book and movie made a point of Scarlett being irresistable to men. Maybe it is just a rumor that men fall over themselves for a beautiful female Like Marilyn Monroe? Naww..
Anyway, @@, it is a long book and movie. I doubt that I could make it through any other 4 hour movie even with intermission. So much for gone with the wind. I do hear we have another storm coming in these southern parts. Wonder if Bosch has any more oak tree nearby. I have quite a few.right out front.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
Hey, I was the first comment of the new millennium.
So what did I win?
Pogo
July 29th, 2009
5:53 pm
The businesses that employ illegal aliens should pay for those employees insurance. It is not complicated and it doesn’t matter if its the farmer, the lawn care company or the road contractor. Make them pay either outright or through taxes gathered from the workers. For too long now the illegal aliens have had their health care provided by the taxpayers and the insured amongst us while the people that employ them skate free. A large majority of the illegals employed in Georgia pay no payroll taxes at all so it is a big loser for those of us who do pay. I live in an area where the pinestraw and vegetable growing business is bigtime (especially onions). The latinos are basically used as slave labor by these businesses (and some of the businesses are owned by latinos who don’t bat at an eye at using their own people to their advantage)at the expense of to the rest of us. They get rich on our dollars but have no vested interest in their employees other than getting the maximum amount of work out of them for the least amount of dollars.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
5:53 pm
So it is a one and one two three o’s that comes after that inverted 666. How come they never taught us that in school. Didn’t they thank that we might actually have a need to count that high even ifin we never would see that much money in our lifes.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
5:58 pm
Wow. Here is a picture of one of them american taliban. and he looks jest like any other conservative republican to me.
Curious Observer
July 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
Hey, I was the first comment of the new millennium. So what did I win?
A tax increase! Yes, at the end of the year 2010, your Bush tax cuts will expire and you can join the rest of us in paying your fair share. Oh, I know you will howl and whine and talk about the government’s stealing money from you, but you can take secret pride in helping to pay for the needs of this country, rather than in taking tax cuts funded by borrowing from China.
And @@–Scarlett was nothing if not spoiled and coquettish. In the end, she learns a hard lesson. Perhaps one day you will learn a hard lesson about the consequences of your conservative beliefs, but for your sake I hope not.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 29th, 2009
6:08 pm
@@
Caroline O’Hara was a must different character than her sister Scarlett. If either of them were real people I’d much prefer Caroline’s company. My view of Scarlett was that she was a self-centered, spoiled brat who never grew up. (Were she here today she’d probably be a Real Housewife of Atlanta). Her Daddy was the cause of that. That’s just me talking though.
And I saw the movie years ago at the old Lowe’s Grand (it burned in the late 70’s). I enjoyed it until a few years later I read the book. Doubt I could sit through the movie now.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
6:16 pm
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
5:01 pm
Good points.
Part of what’s wrong with our health care delivery sustem:
MIAMI — Federal authorities arrested more than 30 suspects, including doctors, and were seeking others in a major Medicare fraud bust Wednesday in New York, Louisiana, Boston and Houston, targeting scams such as “arthritis kits” — expensive braces that many patients never used.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/dozens-arrested-in-medicare-103334.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
6:17 pm
Obama..now caught between a rock and a hard place.
After describing Bush as almost a criminal for containing prisoners at Guantanamo, Obama’s Attorney General is trying to make a criminal case out of a POW who confessed to throwing grenades at US soldiers. He wants to keep the prisoner at Guantanamo and the ACLU is ALL upset. EVERYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SET FREE OR SENT AWAY!! It aint happening!
Obama has tried to pawn off prisoners to countries who complained about Guantanamo. France has taken ONE. The Iriish now take another. There has been success with about a dozen being placed. That leaves about 200 still at Guantanamo. Oh promises promises!! Just forget about that!
Now is the time to think about the promised promotion of healthcare under the great PROMISES of MORE GOVERNMENT. . Yeah, think about it a lot. Just a few trillions more. Congress fiddles while Obama rushes. Gotta get this thing through so he can go on vacation.
Oh well, No surprises here. See ya later maybe. Hunger approaches.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
6:20 pm
Pogo
July 29th, 2009
5:53 pm
What about giving the employers amnesty and 90 days to get the illegals out of the country at their expense?
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
6:22 pm
POGO at 5:53,
Now that is a truly good statement!!!!
But, see, its the walthy and the small business owners who employ those people and, if you know what I mean, they’d rather have their teeth pulled than pay a penny more to anyone.
Sorry, it isn’t gonna happen. You strip the wealthy of an IMMEDIATE return on investment like that? hehehe. yeah, sorry….
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
6:31 pm
furious subverter- Our founding fathers, upon meeting you and other socialists like yourself, would vomit.
The USSR collapsed for a reason, comrade.
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
6:34 pm
HillBilly Deluxe,
If Margaret MItchell had written GWTW like “Anne of Green Gables” or something, the publisher would have thrown it in the trash can. Melanie has the major role as the “good woman” in the book. Anyway, one character played against the other which made it exciting. Just another thought.
Now, I’m really gone.
Bosch
July 29th, 2009
6:37 pm
What a day. I’m tired.
Dusty,
I have lots more oak trees, but hopefully during the next wave of storms they’ll stay vertical. At least my roof is tarped now so hopefully the upstairs won’t get too wet.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
6:38 pm
TnGelding–Thanks for the shout. It continues to astound me when folks who are good consumers when it comes to things like buying a new car turn into sheep the minute they walk into a doctor’s office.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
6:40 pm
“At least my roof is tarped now”
You received TARP funds for your roof???? ; > }
GreenJeans
July 29th, 2009
6:40 pm
Dusty at 5:49, you’re projecting again honey.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
6:50 pm
Another big step in restoring consumerism to health care would be to remove the limitations on the number of people admitted to medical school each year. All of the various state medical associations work hard to keep the number low so that the pay scale remains high.
jt
July 29th, 2009
7:05 pm
For what its worth, GWTW was border-line romance fiction.
“Cold Mountain” was more realistic. Not the movie.
jt
July 29th, 2009
7:12 pm
And the moment an insurance company is forced at the end of a gun to cover everyone regardless of price or pre-existing condition, then that insurance company ceases to be an insurance company.
I do not know what you would call it.
Politically-connected slush fund?
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:21 pm
And the moment an insurance company is forced at the end of a gun to cover everyone regardless of price or pre-existing condition, then that insurance company ceases to be an insurance company.
Is this more of that drama queen stuff or jest plain old fashioned hiper boles. Enyway, you are aware that we are all required by law to have car inshorance. So, if you don’t like the ideer of govment tellin us to buy inshorance, why don’t you start there. Call yore congress person today. Don’t hesitate a minuet longer.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
7:24 pm
“And the moment an insurance company is forced at the end of a gun to cover everyone regardless of price or pre-existing condition, then that insurance company ceases to be an insurance company.”
For whatever reason, jt, most people fail to realize that an insurance contract is just that–a contract–with limited coverage. That is the only way that the actuaries can calculate what an appropriate premium will be so that the insurance company will have the assets to pay up when a claim is made.
It’s very popular among the Libs to demonize the insurance companies, but right now they are the only ones making any effort to contain costs.
Disgusted
July 29th, 2009
7:28 pm
All of the various state medical associations work hard to keep the number low so that the pay scale remains high.
Indeed they do. And to emulate the old medieval guild system, a medical school requires a recommendation from a licensed physician as a condition of admittance.
I can assure you that you won’t find that kind of shortage of physicians in Europe. Of course, the pay scale there is lower, too. What a coincidence!
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:32 pm
t’s very popular among the Libs to demonize the insurance companies, but right now they are the only ones making any effort to contain costs.
And, AIG, Phil Gramm, et al appreciate giving you the business. As a preferred customer you are invited to enroll today only… .
thomas
July 29th, 2009
7:32 pm
We don’t need govt
You are aware that the only reason for forced auto insurance is so that you can and will pay for the other person in the event that you cause an accident.
You do not EVER have to cover your own car, only liability.
What you are saying is that we should all be forced to have insurance to pay for others medical bills if it is proven( if it can be proven) that you are the one who directly caused their illness.
But nice try at comparing apples and oranges.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
7:34 pm
“Enyway, you are aware that we are all required by law to have car inshorance.”
Yes, people are required to carry LIABILITY insurance in the event that you cause an accident and harm someone else. Furthermore, you can choose not to own a car in the first place.
Big difference jackass.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
7:35 pm
When the “president” of the United States steps up to the microphone and bellows out lie after lie after lie, like Obozo does everyday, does this guy know his kult consists of nothing but stupid people or what?
Kyle Wingfeeled
July 29th, 2009
7:35 pm
I can assure you that you won’t find that kind of shortage of physicians in Europe. Of course, the pay scale there is lower, too. What a coincidence!
Europe frightens me.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:36 pm
thomas,
you clearly missed what I was talkin bout. Some folks is sayin that we will be forced to git health inshorance and that we will be stuck with a socialist country because of our lettin the govment do this to us and I say “what hole has you tools had yore heads stuck in” and my example that I chose to use as existence proof was the govment requirement that we have car inshorance. Course you can try to drive without that required coverage ifin you is feelin lucky. Go for it. And, govment mandated inshorance was the issue so that is apples to apples but nice try on yore part to change it to somthin else.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
7:37 pm
Does anyone remember Bush whining about the recession he inherited from Klintoon or did he take it like a man?
thomas
July 29th, 2009
7:37 pm
Disgusted,
Do you think that the policy in your beloved Europe, of letting in more doctors to med school, could have anything to do with them having a higher mortality rate than the US? Or that those diagnosed with cancer here live longer than those who are in Europe?
Wonder Why?
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
7:38 pm
“But nice try at comparing apples and oranges.”
You beat me to the punch, thomas–Good job.
I get so frustrated by the likes of WDNNSG who like to substitute insults and emotion-based arguments in place of reason. Typical liberal ploy.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:38 pm
Big difference jackass.
Only to jackasses, jackass.
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
7:40 pm
Seriously, We Don’t Need No Steenking Government,
I like what you’re saying but I/we no longer read what you’re saying. Just say it and delete all that other campiness and stuff.
Allow us to read what you are writing.
RW-(the original)
July 29th, 2009
7:40 pm
I got dragged to a showing of Gone With the Wind once. After six or so hours of brain searing boredom the curtain pulled close. Just as I was about to burst into a huge roar of happiness for my new found freedom the word INTERMISSION appeared where I was expecting THE END.
It was both a first and a last date, but I think the relationship still lasted longer than some others with multiple dates.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:42 pm
And ifin you chose not to get that lie that some is sprouting about Obama mandated health inshorance then you jest pays a fine so that don’t sound all that differnt from what the govment done did with the jacka$$es required car inshorance. Drive without it and pay yore fine.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
7:45 pm
Defeated!
No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama
Na na na, na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!
Have your cupcake and eat it too, Obozo.
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
7:46 pm
I Report,
The recession then was so small, Bush didn’t need to worry with it. hell, they had tax dollars to distribute to the wealthy…muahahahaha
“Recession? what’s that? Does he play for the Tigers?”
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
7:48 pm
“I like what you’re saying but I/we no longer read what you’re saying. Just say it and delete all that other campiness and stuff.”
If you believe the comparison of mandated LIABILITY insurance for the VOLUNTARY activity of driving is the same as mandated health insurance for all citizens with no way out, then you are as stupid as WDNNSG.
As for his “campiness”, it seems the only one who thinks he is clever is himself.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
7:53 pm
I don’t see any of you folks coming down on the likes of Gandalf and others that go on and on incessantly with their ‘talk’. Is that because you just happen to agree with the trash spilled over from their phalanges. Then again, what would a blog become without its hypocrites and/or arrogant a$$es — named Jack or whatever. There. I have made yet another point. Was I sufficiently lucid and was my language more to certain person['s] liking… this time.
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
7:53 pm
RW, I totally agree with that!
My wife is from Atlanta and she only made me watch that suckfest once.
Now, Saving Ryan’s Privates and Band of Brothers was long…but at least they had grenades and M1 Carbines and tanks…(can I get me some Call of Duty love!!!)
Did GWTW even have one battle scene? Dumbest film ever….
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
7:56 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
7:37 pm
That was Bush’s baby all the way:
“The 2001 recession began in March that year, so today’s announcement makes it an eight-month downturn.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2003-07-17-recession_x.htm
(More than half the population were too depressed to “go shopping.”)
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
7:57 pm
You know how your in the dumbest chick flick ever?
If it takes you more than 20 minutes to get a sniffle from the women.
Give..it..up!
If iut takes you 6 hours….you will….get an academy award??
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:01 pm
TN- You have heard of the Dot Com bubble, haven’t you?
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:03 pm
I know one thing for sure, Bush was not a US Senator during Klintoon’s last ghastly years in office, voting YES on ever spending bill that glimmered in his eyes.
Like Obozo was.
I rule.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:07 pm
The early 2000s recession had been predicted by economists for years, because the boom of the 1990s, which was accompanied by both low inflation and low unemployment
Bush never whined like a big diaper wearing screecher obsessed with being a pretty boy, eewww.
Bush was a man.
Just sayin…..
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
8:12 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
8:01 pm
That didn’t cause a recession. Just a stock market correction. It “bubbled” for a reason. The inventor of the Internet was Veep and high-tech commerce flourished globally due to lax trade policies. It was no accident. And I don’t remember anyone blaming the sell-off on ‘W’, the way y’all blamed the most recent one on Hawaiian Big O. Granted, the markets don’t like change, and we were getting that in 2000-2001 and 2008-2009.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:14 pm
“But, see, its the wealthy and the small business owners who employ those people and, if you know what I mean, they’d rather have their teeth pulled than pay a penny more to anyone.”
Finn–It sounds to me as if you have bought into the class warfare arguments advanced by the Left hook, line, and sinker. You sound like a good person, so I’m not going to rip you for it, but am curious to know if you have ever owned a small business (?). I did, for nearly 20 years. And for that privilege, I got to pay every type of tax known to mankind, including paying half of the SSI contributions for each of my employees.
As for “not paying a penny more”, that’s called good business sense. Exactly what do you find offensive about being a smart businessperson?
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:16 pm
Poll: Obama loses ground on health care PMSNBC/WSJ survey also shows a drop in his overall job-approval rating
Bruno, Part Duhx.
ew
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
8:17 pm
TN, it’s cool…just wait a few minutes.
Dusty gave Whiner a rise in his pants and…evidently…it’s a 4 hour pill!
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
8:19 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
8:07 pm
I think Arnold would probably refer to him as a girly man.
“Bush the Girly Man When It Comes To Iran”
“France, once more the contrarian, is offering up some carefully ambiguous hard talk these days on managing the emergence of Iran as a nuclear threat – at a time when Hillary Clinton has accused the Bush administration of downplaying the problem.”
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48405
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=chr-acer&va=bush+king+holding+hands&sz=all
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
8:27 pm
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:14 pm
I hear you, but the exploitation of cheap labor is a national disgrace.
“Many of the informal economies operating in the world today are the offspring of globalization and need to be understood as such. The economic and social prospects for people engaged in informal employment—sometimes referred to as “precarious” and “off-the-books employment”—as well as their families and communities, are substantially inferior to those associated with formal employment, and the current boom of informal economic activity bodes ill for all working people.”
http://www.monthlyreview.org/0706vogel.htm
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:28 pm
TN- Now you are grasping sweetie, if Bush “downplayed” the Iranian threat, what would you call Obozo surrendering to them?
Look, just because your president is totally cratering after six short months is no reason to get hysterical.
Get a grip on yourself man.
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
8:29 pm
I’m out of town the rest of the week on bidness so you libs have to stay on point and focused ok?
ohhh, never mind….democrats, like herding cats.
I thought Rahm was gonna bring the pain on the flighty and easily distracted democrats (oh, look…a butterfly…)
WTF?
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
8:30 pm
Hey, Spinal Tap is on Jon Stewart!!
wait
Now, where’s that butterfly??
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:30 pm
“That didn’t cause a recession. Just a stock market correction. It “bubbled” for a reason. The inventor of the Internet was Veep and high-tech commerce flourished globally due to lax trade policies.”
Tn–I’m assuming that you are being tongue-in-cheek with your statement that Gore “invented” the internet. The stock market crash in 2000-2001 was caused by people throwing money into the market in such a way that stock prices became inflated waaaay out of proportion to the underlying fundamentals. Lucent Technologies, for example, sold fiber optic cable by the boatload to anyone and everyone, providing in-house financing all the way. Then when all of these start-up internet companies failed (pets.com anyone?), they were left holding the bag. As a result, their stock went from a high of nearly $240 per share to less than $1 per share. Subsequently, they laid off a large portion of their work force, as did many other companies. The recession was real.
“And I don’t remember anyone blaming the sell-off on ‘W’, the way y’all blamed the most recent one on Hawaiian Big O.”
The difference between then and now is that Bush and Co. were PRO-business, so that the shakers and movers were confident to reinvest in the failed market. Obama and his team have made no secret that they are ANTI-business, so that investors don’t have that same confidence in the future.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
8:31 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
8:28 pm
He would have beaten Bush like a drum in 2000 or 2004. Like I’ve said, I’m willing to give him a little more time. Iran had better change its tune. The Hawaiian needs something to show how tough he can be.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 29th, 2009
8:33 pm
It continues to astound me when folks who are good consumers when it comes to things like buying a new car turn into sheep the minute they walk into a doctor’s office.
It’s kind of hard to be a discriminating consumer when you’re hauled to whatever hospital your local 911 service chooses and are rolled in on a stretcher.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
8:34 pm
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:30 pm
And Bush’s “ownership society” that turned the crooks and speclators loose had no part in it?
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:40 pm
“And Bush’s “ownership society” that turned the crooks and speclators loose had no part in it?”
Tn–The change in investing rules which allowed the “derivative market” to fly under the radar came during the Clinton administration. Please do your research more carefully.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:44 pm
TN- Trauma has many different stages and they are all equally brutal. First there is a sense of loss, then guilt and often the sufferer becomes incoherent, like you @ 8:31.
I hear sleep helps to ease the pain, dude.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 29th, 2009
8:55 pm
So now government run health care, a filthy and disgusting beast, slithers back under the rock from whence it came.
ew
So where’d that little global warming monstrosity run off to?
Let’s squish it.
Like a bug.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 29th, 2009
8:55 pm
It’s kind of hard to be a discriminating consumer when you’re hauled to whatever hospital your local 911 service chooses and are rolled in on a stretcher.
Well, I thought I said goodnight awhile ago but this librul stuff just gets to me. There ain’t nothing wrong with fussing over charges while you’re on a stretcher. It’s the American Way. You ain’t dead yet.
And that reminds me. The bums that come to the emergency room to get fixed ought to be made to pay something. If they ain’t got no money they can get up off of that gurney and sweep or mop the floors to help pay for it.
Anyhow, I’m so upset I don’t know how I’ll sleep a wink tonight and I got alot of beer hauling to do in the morning. This is really goodnight everybody.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
8:58 pm
Phil Gramm really got the ball rolling on creating this depressing recession with his December of 2000 addition to the funding bill at the last minute. He opened the doors wide for the likes of the Enron crooks (amongst others), including his board wife (most likely a stepford girl to boot). In short, that little bit of freedom for the markets put us all just a few derivations away from disaster and, to the utter disbelief and dismay of Bernanke’s predecessor, ultimate proof that greed can bring down the economies of nations. The dot com bubble and its aftermath should have been enough of a wake up call and it likely would have been if the Republicans had no taken full control of the government at such a critical juncture. The Republicans in Congress basically had free rein to give big business and select wealth everything they wanted and more given that Bush just could not find it in his pea-brain-sized thought process to just say no — unlike the sudden turnabout from the Republicans now that they no longer have control of government. Now, they suddenly cannot say yes even if it is in their own best interest — So To Mayor anyone. Republicans. They saw the light just eight years too late and now they think that their black sheep mentality is going to once again pull the wool over the eyes of a majority. Fool me once, shame on you — how did that Bushism go.
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
9:08 pm
Well, I thought I said goodnight awhile ago but this librul stuff just gets to me. There ain’t nothing wrong with fussing over charges while you’re on a stretcher. It’s the American Way. You ain’t dead yet.
And, the way you do that is the attendant asks you to lift your right middle finger if you want to go to a Republican approved hospital… only as proof that you are still of sound mind and body and still capable of making well reasoned choices but simply cannot speak.
jt
July 29th, 2009
9:17 pm
Bruno -
I believe that we are on the same page with what our benevolent fed gov is trying to sell us.
What do you call the entity that takes dues to provide coverage to EVERYONE?
Do we agree that it is not an insurance company?
Is this going to be the biggest health insurance ponzi scheme ever?
jt
July 29th, 2009
9:19 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
Good night Zell.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 29th, 2009
9:22 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
Do you live in Oscarville?
Finn McCool
July 29th, 2009
9:23 pm
I report wrote: So now government run health care, a filthy and disgusting beast, slithers back under the rock from whence it came. ewwwww
no, your own Bill kristol denied that:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-27-2009/bill-kristol
he knows that government CAN run trhe best health care in the land!
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
9:31 pm
“It’s kind of hard to be a discriminating consumer when you’re hauled to whatever hospital your local 911 service chooses and are rolled in on a stretcher.”
I agree with you on that one, Hillbilly. A recent client of mine was charged over $2000 for a 1 mile ambulance ride. We’ve got to get the costs down, period. That’s the best solution to our “crisis”. And it can only be done through increased consumerism and true free market
competition. The MDs have done a great job of protecting their turf so far.
I did admire the ingenuity of Grady Hospital, however. Several years ago, they were having a problem with indigent peoples calling 911 for an ambulance who were really looking for a free taxi ride. When they would get to the hospital, they would say they felt better and would walk off. In response, Grady had the EMT people start an IV on every ambulance trip, no matter what. Word quickly got around that you were going to be stuck if you rode in the ambulance, which effectively solved the problem.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
9:35 pm
“Phil Gramm really got the ball rolling on creating this depressing recession with his December of 2000 addition to the funding bill at the last minute.”
And exactly WHICH president signed said bill??????????? Yet all I hear about is Bush this and Bush that. The man was constantly being pilloried for policies which began during the Clinton years. Another prime example is the Prisoner Rendition Program, brought to us courtesy of Clinton and Co. Somehow the press didn’t think it was important under Clinton, but became front page news under Bush.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
9:38 pm
“Is this going to be the biggest health insurance ponzi scheme ever?”
You can bet your life on it. I’ve spent the past 20+ years dealing with Medicare. It’s no surprise that a substantial percentage of physicians no longer accept Medicare assignment of benefits.
I challenge every one of you to talk to your health care providers and ask what THEIR opinion regarding government-run health care is. I’ll be shocked if any of you can find even ONE doctor who will tell you they are looking forward to it.
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
10:05 pm
Enjoyed blogging with you all tonight–including WDNNSG since he dropped the faux hillbilly act.
USinUK–I miss you, dear. Hope all is well with you, hubby, nieces, nephews, etc. I’m playing some Allman Brothers in your honor right now. Big cyberhug to you.
And Mara–If you read this message, PLEASE say hello. I’ll play some Rush in a little while in your honor.
jt
July 29th, 2009
10:10 pm
Regardless, in closing,
when I think of our federal goverment and health care at the same time, I grow concerned for my colon.
The sweet potato is neither a yam nor potato. Just like the turkey, it is purely American. The WHOLE CONCEPT of a sweet potato has been traced back to America 10000 years ago. Same with the turkey.
May be helpful for hemorrhoid because of its high fiber content.
Sweet potato is good for stomach ulcers and inflamed conditions of the colon.
There is more good info here.
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=health+benefits+sweet+potato&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhubpages.com%2Fhub%2FHealth_Benefits_of_Sweet_Potato
We Don't Need No Steenking Government
July 29th, 2009
10:19 pm
And exactly WHICH president signed said bill??????????? Yet all I hear about is Bush this and Bush that.
Clinton signed the bill that was needed to keep the government running. Phil Gramm sneaked in that little gem of his as an amendment to that bill at the last minute and did not give anyone a real chance to read or discuss that little attachment. Of course, you already know that whole story, don’t you. The fact that Phil’s wife was on the board at Enron and the fun that Enron traders were having with their market manipulations and the fact that Phil went to work as a window dressing executive at UBS after leaving the Senate and on and on. By the way, I did not bring up Bush’s involvement until it was appropriate — when he took office and started screwing us.
Good night, all.
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
10:27 pm
What a bunch of ingrates. Most parts of this country have a 911 system in place to help people have a chance at living through emergencies. EMTs are trained to give emergency care just to save people. Their vehicles usually go to the nearest hospital or one best equiped to handle a particular case. They don’t care about your politics. They are trying to save your life until the doctors can take over.
So some here are so brainwashed they actually think emergency service is political. That doctors work for money alone. That medical schools should place more students than they have the facilities to handle. Med schools do like to take students that excel and show an interest in medicine. What do you think they want? Someone interested in mechanical engineering?
So the best medical care in the world is equated with witch doctors and voodoo zombies by the ignorant here. Now they want CHANGE. They think they will get something CHEAP OR FREE and that will make them healthy. They think the “rich” will pay for it. More nonsense. Everybody will pay for subquality medical care.
I hope those here with low opinions of doctors and 911 will go to their herb doctors at the Natural Food Store next time they have a medical emergency. They can give you the kind of care you seem to want.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
10:46 pm
Bruno
July 29th, 2009
8:40 pm
Then you deny that big business senses a different regulatory environment under Republicans and run wild? Then why did the investment banks wait until Bush encouraged reckless loans before investing heavily in mortgage backed securities?
“Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.”
http://www.newsweek.com/id/163451
“There are plenty of culprits, like lenders who peddled easy credit, consumers who took on mortgages they could not afford and Wall Street chieftains who loaded up on mortgage-backed securities without regard to the risk. ”
http://www.rmi.gsu.edu/rmi/faculty/klein/RMI_3500/Readings/Other/MCWHPhilosophy.htm
(Sorry I couldn’t do better. Couldn’t find what I was looking for, but will keep looking.)
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
10:58 pm
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
10:27 pm
I’ll take the herbs over the poison the MD’s are peddling for big pharma.
Best in the world?
1 France
35 Dominica
37 United States of America
39 Cuba
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
“American medical care may be the most expensive in the world, but that does not mean it is worth every penny. A study to be released Thursday highlights the stark contrast between what the United States spends on its health system and the quality of care it delivers, especially when compared with many other industrialized nations.”
http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
10:59 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
8:44 pm
We’ll see. We’re on record.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
11:02 pm
I Report
You Whine 
July 29th, 2009
8:55 pm
Thought you’d appreciate this:
Seattle breaks temp record as heat wave continues
SEATTLE – Northwesterners more accustomed to rain and cooler climate sought refuge from a heat wave Wednesday, as Seattle recorded the hottest temperature in its history and Portland fell just 1 degree short of its own record-breaker.
TnGelding
July 29th, 2009
11:09 pm
I Report You Whine
July 29th, 2009
8:55 pm
Cont.:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090730/ap_on_re_us/us_northwest_heat_9
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
11:36 pm
Dear TnGelding,
You wrote”I’ll take the herbs over the poison the MDs are peddling for Big Pharma.”
I hope you find an Herb Doctor to your liking. Cuba would be better for you. The socialist/communist life seems very appealing to you. Seems so sad that every day you have to suffer here when Cuba is so near. With all that good health care FREE.
Suppose, in all your investigations, you compare the health care of a country the size of the USA and not those of countries smaller than some of our states. Does the DNC furnish you with anti-USA information or do you just find it on your own?.
Goodnight. Getting late.
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
5:34 am
@@ –
“I find it interesting that USinUK(cough) measures infant mortality in inches. If a baby is born breathing and then dies within 24 to 48 hours, they’re not counted as mortals in many European countries. They’re mythical in U.K.’s world. Americans will always count babies as worthwhile — some of us will anyway.”
evidently, you didn’t read your own article – according to the author, some european countries don’t include infants less than 12″ long at birth in their statistics.
so, let’s find an organization that uses the same standard across all countries – the UN (via the WHO). The US infant mortality rate is 7 – the UK is 5, Canada is 5, Finland, France, Germany and Switzerland are 4, and Sweden is 3.
seriously, you really can’t win this argument. especially since the second leading cause of infant mortality is premature birth/underweight birth, which is linked with prenatal care. you’re welcome to go down this road if you like, but you’re gonna lose.
Whiner –
“Bush never whined like a big diaper wearing screecher obsessed with being a pretty boy”
OMFG. I think you might want to see a specialist as soon as possible – you’re showing signs of dimentia if you think that Bush didn’t whine when the economy came crashing down around him. You don’t remember his poor-pitiful-me-I-got-a-trifecta comment?? And, of course, you don’t remember everyone blaming Clinton for the economy and not Bush …
and low unemployment/low inflation didn’t lead to the crash, the tech bubble did which was amplified by the Enron/WorldCom blowup.
and, saving the best for last … BRUNOOOOOOOOOO!!! SO glad to see ya, my friend!!! when is your magazine shoot hitting the stands? isn’t that soon?? As for your questions about the other Irregulars, I haven’t seen Mara, Jokes or TOJ but Gale pokes her head in now and then … this is a good group – things definitely move a lot faster since Bookman updates a few times a day (when he’s not fishin’ fer trout, that is) so glad to see you!!! huzzah!
TnGelding
July 30th, 2009
5:45 am
Dusty
July 29th, 2009
11:36 pm
I don’t need a doctor to prescribe herbs.
True communism would be appealing. But does human nature make that impossible? Cuba has done about as good a job with it as anyone and would be even better if not for our draconian policies. Castro outlived 6 of our presidens and survived 10 administrations, so it must have adequate health care. I’m quite comfortable here in my little cocoon, thank you.
I learned when I started kindergarten 62 years ago that nothing is free, even tho Mother told me it was. I made sure my aunt had her pocketbook when we left the house. I didn’t fully understand how the schools were funded until we bought our first house 20 years later.
I’m not anti-USA, I just get tired of hearing the we’re number one mantra when it isn’t true. We certainly have the resources to be, but must not be using them properly.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0505/p02s01-uspo.html
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/180922
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
6:29 am
TnG -
“We certainly have the resources to be, but must not be using them properly”
gah. whatever you do, don’t read this …
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072902676.html?hpid=topnews
my jaw hit the floor and my bp hit the roof …
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 30th, 2009
6:53 am
Professor Plimer explains: “When I try explaining ‘global warming’ to people in Iran or Turkey they have no idea what I’m talking about.” The prof claims that alarmists like Gore and Clinton, and, for that mater, President Barack Obama, are a self-centered minority out of touch with human needs and with atmospheric conditions. “Eco-guilt is a first-world luxury,” he told Spectator. “It’s the new religion for urban populations which have lost their faith in Christianity.”
And so they “preach” to the rest of us from their lofty perches of power.
At least until we boot their as-ses out, bwahahahaha, bozos.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 30th, 2009
7:25 am
OMFG. I think you might want to see a specialist as soon as possible – you’re showing signs of dimentia if you think that Bush didn’t whine when the economy came crashing down around him. You don’t remember his poor-pitiful-me-I-got-a-trifecta comment?
Well, it’s just one comment. It’s not like he brought it up again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
oh, wait.
@@
July 30th, 2009
7:41 am
USinUK:
Neither can you win this argument as long as the “qualifiers” differ in each country. Prenatal care? Absolutely! but so too does genetics enter into the equation. That and the number of abortions performed. Multiple abortions will often, put at risk, any subsequent pregnancies.
Our rates are higher than many European countries.
And don’t go typing about how there’s a difference in access/availability to abortions or contraceptives. It’s virtually the same. The number of unwanted pregnancies is much lower in many European countries. It stands to reason that if we experience more unwanted pregnancies, we experience more abortions which equates to more risk in subsequent pregnancies.
Off to the track.
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
7:51 am
@@ –
“Neither can you win this argument as long as the “qualifiers” differ in each country.”
which is why I cited the WHO study done for the UN – they use the same qualifiers.
as far as abortion affecting future pregnancies, only if there has been a severe infection. According to the American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians, less than 1% of women who have abortions have complications and/or infections.
So, here we are, again – the US has more than double the rate of infant mortality cases as Sweden even when you have the same organization conducting the study and tallying the data
as far as access to birth control, I agree with you that the US and European communities are similar as far as access … however, where education and attitudes about premarital sex are concerned, they are WORLDS apart.
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
7:53 am
Gwinecian –
hey you!! good morning!!
but, nooooo … Bush isn’t a diaper-wearing whiner … not he … not Mr. “no one could have predicted … ” (the housing bust, the levees breaking, the 9/11 attack, etc)
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 30th, 2009
7:55 am
Well, I get burned up when I see libruls throwing off on our health care and claiming people in Europe got better health care. Just stop and think a minute:
1. Our Drs. got houses that are alot bigger and better than the Drs. in Europe. Drs. in Europe mostly live in run-down apartments and ours got houses that cost millions of bucks.
2. Our Drs. drive cars that are alot fancier and cost more than theirs.
3. Their ambulances can’t hold a candle to ours. Sure, it costs you $500 or $1000 to ride in one of ours, but you can’t beat ours for being fancy. Besides, there’s nothing wrong with making a little money.
4. Our Drs. waiting rooms are alot fancier than theirs. The chairs are fancier and there’s lots of stuff to read. So you don’t mind if the Dr. is a couple hours late for your appointment. There’s even a waiting area for the kids. With toys and everything.
5. Just try to get a $10 Coke at a hospitle in England or France. You can’t. But if you check out your hospitle bill here you’ll see that our hospitles serve first-class Coke.
So you can squall about a few more people dying here than there. But you got to admit our Drs. run first-class places. Think about that the next time you try to run down our health care. Have a good day everybody.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
July 30th, 2009
7:57 am
This is why Mitt Romney would never get my vote-
Because of President Obama’s frantic approach, health care has run off the rails. For the sake of 47 million uninsured Americans, we need to get it back on track.
No “we” don’t.
I do not need the heavy, mindless hand of government inserting it’s self in the private affairs between me and my doctor. It NONE OF YOUR F^%$*&^ BUSINESS.
We do not need to expand the reach and size of our government, we need to reduce it. What do you not understand that we cannot afford even the government we have now? Do you what a deficit is, Mitt? Do you advocate us running up our debts on future generations that will have no say in their own prosperity?
Are you a lib or a man?
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
8:03 am
Redneck Convert …
if you like the doctors’ lifestyles, then you must LOVE the insurance company execs’ lifestyles!!!
TnGelding
July 30th, 2009
8:07 am
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
6:29 am
Let’s see if Obama is able to win the day. It’s hard to stop unwanted programs at any time, especially in a recession.
But we do know we are #1 in spending on defense (offense?) and health care (insurance?).
TnGelding
July 30th, 2009
8:09 am
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
7:51 am
…they are WORLDS apart….which probably explains the difference in unwanted pregnancies.
Doggone/GA
July 30th, 2009
8:10 am
” do not need the heavy, mindless hand of government inserting it’s self in the private affairs between me and my doctor”
Do you go to confession everyday? Because lying is a sin, you know.
USinUK
July 30th, 2009
8:13 am
RC –
http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/08/ceo-compensation-who-said-healthcare-is.html
Based on this, the next time you want to argue with your Primary Care doctor’s front desk about a $5.00 co-pay, remember that he makes an average of $149,000.00 per year. On the other hand — using United Healthcare as an example — your insurance company paid their CEO — one man — $324,000,000 over a recent five year period.
other insurance and pharma CEOs are listed on the link, as well …
(but, yeah, it’s the med mal lawsuits that are driving up the cost of medicine … )