Graham protests GOP retreat into irrelevance, to little avail
After announcing his intention to vote in favor of the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court — the only Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee to take that step — Sen. Lindsey Graham took a lot of heat from conservatives angry that he had broken party ranks.
In an interview with Politico, Graham defended his decision and returned fire at his critics on the right:
“If we chase this attitude … that you have to say ‘no’ to every Democratic proposal, you can’t help the president ever, you can’t ever reach across the aisle, then I don’t want to be part of the movement because it’s a dead-end movement,” Graham said.
“I have no desire to be up here in an irrelevant status. I’m smart enough to know that this country doesn’t have a problem with conservatives. It has a problem with blind ideology. And those who are ideological-driven to a fault are never going to be able to take this party back into relevancy.”
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josef nix
July 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
Thank G-d that 1:43 didn’t wind up at the top of page 2!
thomas
July 24th, 2009
1:47 pm
Josef Great point.
Funny how a liberal called him a lil light, but we didn’t see much about it. Heck one poster here even said that those criticism never came from the left only from the right.
The more the 2 sides think they are different the more they are the same. I think they just like disagreeing
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
1:49 pm
josef,
Too bad it didn’t. You;d be back out front in the head scratcher department.
/And it still might end up here if Jay B has some posts stranded in the moderator’s office.
Kayaker 71
July 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
From the last thread….
The Cambridge police dept has demanded a full apology from the President for his stupid comments. He has stepped on his crank big time…. white America does not forget.
md
July 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
“unless he suddenly sprouts himself a wife, the whispering campaign will be what prevents him from being POTUS. and, darlin’, that whispering campaign isn’t coming from the left side of the aisle, either … check out the right wing blogs everytime Graham does something centrist, there’s more than one reference to wrists being limp and closet doors …”
3 years is a long time. Never know when an entire demographic is going to rise up and vote for a candidate because of one trait. Certainly hasn’t happened before….has it?
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
Kayaker,
To be fair the police were careful to sat they weren’t demanding an apology but they thought one was in order from both Obama and Patrick.
The funniest thing is that Obama is now blaming the press for this.
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
2:03 pm
sat, the little known alternate spelling for say….
Turd Ferguson
July 24th, 2009
2:04 pm
Obama blaming the Press…lol.
getalife
July 24th, 2009
2:05 pm
kay,
He won without the racist’s vote.
Just sayin.
Matilda
July 24th, 2009
2:07 pm
Am I the only one freaked out by the knowledge that you can be arrested for expressing your anger in your own home? I rant and rave in my foyer sometimes. So? If a policeman is standing nearby, it’s an ARRESTSABLE OFFENSE? Please!
Bud Wiser
July 24th, 2009
2:08 pm
Obowo today says that the Cambridge police acted “stupidly in the Gates arrest fiasco.
Whether or not they did, and however Gates and the cop interacted, now becomes irrelevant.
Obowo’s open-mouth-insert-foot soliloquy has now endeared him to many cops across the land; of course the 94%ers will still love him because he’s ‘blood’.
And the Democrats train to heavy damage in future elections gains steam, led by the mouthy ‘uppity muslim’.
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
2:11 pm
RW–school teacher here, head scratching? Already go MY bottle of A-200 (won’t buy Nix!) :=)
thomas–it has been my experience in this blog that I’ve been a lot more “accepted” by some of the conservatives than my fellow liberals…
md–not sure about “my” demographic, but a lot of folks in the Demo camp are not really listening to just how pi**ed off some of them are after having had their rose-colored glasses yanked off…
jconservative
July 24th, 2009
2:14 pm
” this country doesn’t have a problem with conservatives. It has a problem with blind ideology. ”
Senator Graham is 100% correct. Both Democratic & Republican “purist” should etch these words in stone. Read your history books – every presidential election since 1968 has gone has gone to the more “CENTRIST and BIG TENT” candidate regardless of party.
The bigger the tent the more votes you get as a presidential candidate.
Republicans are looking for a leader – they really need to look at Lindsay Graham.
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
2:15 pm
josef,
Sorry. I’ll find another term next time. That’s got to be an upsetting visual for a school teacher. (I’ll try to avoid nit picking references too.)
getalife
July 24th, 2009
2:15 pm
The officer lied. He said he was by himself but there is a picture of Gates in handcuffs with several officers including a AA officer. He was not in the press conference and we have not heard from him.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:15 pm
Matilda
The arrest occurred when Prof Gates was outside his residence.
As far as doing what one wants in one’s home – many communities have laws that prohibit one from making such a level of noise that it deprives neighbors of the enjoyment of their property. In other words, you can’t crank up the stereo to all levels at 2am and defend yourself by saying ‘it’s my house, I can do what I want.’
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:17 pm
getalife
??? I understand Officer Crowley was first at the scene, then another officer arrived and was present inside, then other officers arrived and were present outside.
Doggone/GA
July 24th, 2009
2:18 pm
“The officer lied. He said he was by himself”
No he didn’t. He said he was alone when in the house, but that when he went outside there was at least one other officer there too.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:18 pm
Golly, do you think that if the Cambridge Police Department is brave enough to release the audio tapes, that
Pres Obama will be brave enough to release the torture reports?
Nawwwwwwwwwww
Doggone/GA
July 24th, 2009
2:19 pm
“The arrest occurred when Prof Gates was outside his residence”
So don’t go ranting and raving on your own porch or you’ll be arrested.
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
2:21 pm
Paul,
We had a noise situation here one day that had been going on for hours before we finally reported it. Apparently the law here is that if the noise can be heard 50 feet from it’s source it’s illegal and time of day doesn’t matter at all.
getalife
July 24th, 2009
2:22 pm
Yes Paul but he said he was alone.
I’d like to hear from the AA officer .
AmVet
July 24th, 2009
2:28 pm
What a shocker!
Really a Queen, George Aryan, Wiper, Snarked and the other Republiconned now see the Dan Quayle look alike and think alike, Lindsey Graham as a traitorous RINO ala Hagel and McCain.
Yet in every case they were actually great little party apparatchiks.
Graham is a solid anti-sodomite and voted as a conservative roughly 90 percent of the time, yet he is now dismissed as NOT loyal enough.
“…of the GOP’s passing since November 4, 2008.”
Joey you have the date wrong, it is November 7,2006.
I’m sure you remember it: The Senate election was part of the Democratic sweep, in which NO Congressional or gubernatorial seat held by a Democrat was won by a Republican. The bottom line? The conned lost 36 out of 36 races. A first in American history and an unparalleled slaughter.
Luckily for you, in 2008 you only lost 20 out of 24.
OH! And the White House and six governorships.
Can you say Electoral Bloodbath, Part Trois? Coming to an Election Everywhere November 2012.
Matilda
July 24th, 2009
2:30 pm
Paul, of course there are noise ordinances. Are you saying you’re violating the noise ordinance and should be arrested if YOU stand on YOUR OWN front porch and shout for someone to get the heck off your property for two minutes, or until they leave? That’s not exactly the same as cranking the stereo at 2 a.m. with disregard for sleeping neighbors, now is it? Are you saying you don’t have a right to express yourself in your own YARD at any time? Are you saying there’s NO difference between expressing yourself in the midst of a situation, and creating a deliberate, ongoing disturbance? That doesn’t sound like the America *I* grew up believing in. Sounds fascist to me, and as far as I know, I’m still entitled to my belief in the Bill of Rights, even if you cede it readily to any white male with a high & tight haircut.
getalife
July 24th, 2009
2:30 pm
I think there are 5 officers in this picture:
http://www.demotix.com/blog/exclusive-citizen-journalist
Normal
July 24th, 2009
2:30 pm
Joey, If the Republican party came back to just right of center, I’d be there, because I like balance. I’m left of center. I also like balanced budgets and I like to spend less than I take in.
Josef, your 1:43, tell it like it is Brother.
Never have understood what sexual preference had to do with anything.
If a a man or a woman can do the job given, then nothing else matters.
Abilities are the only concern of those who want success. Preferences
are the only concern of those who hate, and they hate because they are taught to be afraid. And that, boys and girls is a shame.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:33 pm
RW-(the original)
Nice ordinance. We’ve neighbor young adults home from college. Think they’re rockers…. understand they tried out for American Idol. The music stopped. Reality must’ve sunk in.
Then again, I had a call at 5:45 am. From a neighbor, early for her, not me. Seems I’d punched a button on the universal remote and the outside speakers were linked to the tv and engaged all night when some shows were on autorecord. Oops.
Oh, and I suppose I shouldn’t have called her back to thank her after I found the source. Double oops.
DoggoneGA 2:19
True.
AmVet
July 24th, 2009
2:33 pm
And connable GOPhers,
Like Nolan Ryan’s seven no-hitters, that losing percentage over the past two elections of 94% – ironically Wiper’s favorite number – will likely NEVER be seen again.
Unless you can keep it going!
Which I guess is not out of the question…
@@
July 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
I’d like to hear from the AA officer .
Paging Senator Boxer inner!
Doggone/GA
July 24th, 2009
2:38 pm
I don’t actually know what the noise ordinance is in MY county, but I’m sure my neighbors violate it every time they have an outdoor party. Last time, it went on from 1:00 PM until 11:00 PM. Outdoor sound system, DJ, and all. But what they heck…I just opened the windwos and enjoyed the music. And apparently so did our other neighbors, becasue NO ONE called the cops on them. Thank heaven, though, that they’re not jazz lovers. Being Hispanic…they had lots of great Mariachi music.
getalife
July 24th, 2009
2:39 pm
Obama said he used bad choice of words but still think cooler heads could prevail by both parties. Using it to talk about race issues like I said. Wants unity. Destracted from health care. RW was wrong. Cracking jokes.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:39 pm
Matilda
I was addressing the concept of doing what one wants while on one’s property.
As far as yelling at trespassers, from the situation you described, disorderly would not apply. But if officers responded, one continued to rant, it very likely could.
So, no, you do not have a right to ‘express’ yourself in your own yard at any time. Well, okay, you do… but you might get arrested.
Got to your last sentence. Sigh. Hey, what if it’s an African American officer with a high and tight? Just got discharged from service with the Army, Ranger tab, and wanted to continue to serve? And what if it’s a female? Can I cede what I believe then?
Been a long time since we’ve had a blogger equates opinion of what should be with law as it is.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 24th, 2009
2:40 pm
Well, I’m even more glad Sister Dusty is back from vacation. See, the missus has been awful nice to me the last week or so. I needed somebody to give me a good reaming. And it looks like Sister Dusty done stepped in to take the job.
I hear there’s a good reason this Lindsey Graham ain’t never been married. I won’t say all they’re saying about him, but let’s just say him and this Josef Nix would get along real good. I reckon some of you ain’t read the story by the reporter that said he went to a political dinner and a Senator kept a hand on his thigh the whole night. And it wasn’t no woman Senator neither. I reckon that might could be another good reason why he won’t never run for President.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
md
July 24th, 2009
2:45 pm
“Sounds fascist to me, and as far as I know, I’m still entitled to my belief in the Bill of Rights, even if you cede it readily to any white male with a high & tight haircut.”
Any guesses as to why there may still be race issues in the good ole us of a?????
thomas
July 24th, 2009
2:46 pm
Matilda, Gates admits that the cop was leaving his home and that he (gates) followed the officer outside to continue ranting and raving calling the officer a racist. Thus disturbing the peace.
Police officers have made many mistakes in the past, but to automatically assume that every cop is a racist, makes you no better than any of the racist you are hoping to find. Police officers have an untold difficulty in their job and put THEIR life on the line everyday, and deal with many unstable people from all walks of life. The officer trained other officers against racial profiling.
To another posters point the other officers came in after the altercation and subsequent arrest. Just as is common in nearly every arrest. How many times have you seen an officer arrest a suspect by them selves. They may place them in handcuffs but usually backup is called for.
Don’t forget there WAS a reported breakin.
To any degree why would our all wise and smart president make a convicting statement like he did with out knowing the facts. Its not like he has done it before, stimulus package, Gitmo, health care reform…. he spoke definitivly about those without knowing all of the facts so why should we expect different.
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
2:51 pm
Redneck–nope, me and Senator Graham would NOT get along real good. You been taking lessons from Sen. Boxer? Even if we are both light in the loafers, that’s about where the similarity would end…
Now, my good liberal colleagues, 12,000 (and still counting) servicemen and women hounded out from service to their country is undeserving of an outcry for justice and fair play but one set-to between an African American professor at a prestige university and a responding police officer and the person of color President’s response can bring on this storm of “debate” over racism? And here we are provided with a post where a discussion of what it means “to be a gay man in America” is actually relevant, and…?
@@
July 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
Tonight’s video selection?
White version.
Black version.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
Race issues exist because Race baiter such as Gates act the fool! He isn’t a victim or racism, he’s the cause of it!
Paul
July 24th, 2009
2:53 pm
Oh, and Matilda…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534615,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g12:r2:c0.675478:b26661214:z0
Officer Crowley definitely does not sport a ‘high and tight’ haircut…
just trying to overcome a bit of…. nonunderstanding?
Matilda
July 24th, 2009
2:53 pm
Paul, the law is changing all the time. What law enforcement officers are and are not allowed to do does indeed change regularly with judicial rulings. “No knock” warrants, warrantless spying, cameras on red lights where the yellow was reduced by a second or two, and the okay to let the K-9 officer shove his nose in your crotch whether there’s any probable cause for a drug search or not….
That being said, I have the utmost respect for MOST police officers. They risk their lives everyday getting between us and scum, so we don’t have to get scum on us. They do it for low pay, little respect, in hot uncomfortable uniforms. Most of them work 70 hours a week just to get by. Truth. Pay them more, IMO.
I’ll also concede that Dr. Gates was likey over the top in his reaction to the situation, and did his part to escalate the it beyond what it should have been.
BUT THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT AGAINST THE LAW TO GET ANGRY, SHOUT, AND TELL SOMEONE TO GET THE EFF OFF YOUR PORCH. Or it shouldn’t. Yes, you are correct, I AM definitely concerned with what the law “should” be vs. what it is.
Turd Ferguson
July 24th, 2009
2:54 pm
Obama and his “cooler heads prevail” nonsense. Too for the big mouth…he is already in it now.
Sounds as if, Im thinking, Pelosi and Company are gonna try to “side-step” and ram HCare through…never turn your back.
Thanks for chiming in matilda and remember your mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 24th, 2009
2:54 pm
Barry is a fool! One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Gates is a fool too!
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Scooter
July 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
md, there will always be race issues just like there will never be peace on earth. If there were only two people left on the planet they probably wouldn’t get along.
thomas
July 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Gandalf, You are not saying that there are people out there who would accuse others of racism, just to prove a point are you??????????
Normal
July 24th, 2009
2:57 pm
This basically from downstairs but I gotta ask. Has president Obama made any attempt to say he was sorry for his “Stupid” statement?
I just saw that the Police Union was demanding an apology. Since when can’t a man make an off the cuff statement defending a friend without being chastised for it? Don’t get it, never will…but this kind of thing is a truer indicator of how some groups feel about President Obama than the polls do, and that’s scary.
Anyway, all three of the players in this soap opera were stupid acting.
Gates, the cop and the President. Let it go, unless all you can do is hate.
As the President of “Designated Blamee, Inc” I accept total responsibility of the whole issue and I give my sincerest apology to
Gates, the cop and the President. Now that’s done, it’s over, get over it, y’all
Gandalf of Gwinnesia
July 24th, 2009
2:57 pm
Enter your comments here
Gandalf OneBigA$$MistakeAmerica
July 24th, 2009
2:59 pm
Ya think?
Doggone/GA
July 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
“I just saw that the Police Union was demanding an apology”
My first reaction to that was: if they’re THAT touchy, maybe there’s more to being “stupid” than they realize.
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:01 pm
Darn! I was trying to get my catch phrase in my name! Darn!
OneBigA$$MistakeAmerica
Normal
July 24th, 2009
3:02 pm
@@ lest we forget,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssqBjaTzOU – 112k
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:02 pm
did the break tag quit working? OneBigA$$MistakeAmerica
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 24th, 2009
3:04 pm
So who will Obozo racially goon up on today?
Paul
July 24th, 2009
3:04 pm
Matilda
Around here, police officers are well paid and receive overtime pay. Starting salaries for a 40-hour week are in excess of $40,000 a year. I’d call that ‘adequate’ for a rookie. The hours you cite – Houston had to change its retirement policy (final three years’ pay) because officers were volunteering for overtime and receiving pay in the neighborhood of $150k a year – to pump up their retirements.
So, many are adequately compensated.
Your last paragraph – correct, as I’ve stated. But I’m also pretty sure, as I stated, that if one continues to yell after police arrive, and police ask one to quiet down, that one faces arrest for disorderly conduct.
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:04 pm
I reckon they did!
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Turd Ferguson
July 24th, 2009
3:04 pm
Hate? Can we please get a new term, OTHER THAN HATE, to abuse, misuse etc? Hate, Hater, Hay-in is just so played.
We need some new material.
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.
Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates’ reaction to Crowley was “a little bit stranger than it should have been.”
Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley “100 percent.”
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:06 pm
Mr. Gates, you racist POS, we demand an apology!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 24th, 2009
3:08 pm
Look at this Obozo, I’m condescending to you, bwa-
A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.
Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates’ reaction to Crowley was “a little bit stranger than it should have been.”
Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley “100 percent.”
Uh oh, somebody’s gonna get called an Oreo.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
3:08 pm
Normal 2:57
[[Has president Obama made any attempt to say he was sorry for his “Stupid” statement? ]]
No. In fact, he’s expressed amazement it’s getting so much attention.
The Police Ass’n didn’t ‘demand’ an apology. They asked for one.
[[Since when can’t a man make an off the cuff statement defending a friend without being chastised for it? ]]
Defending a friend is one thing. Characterizing the professional competence of another person or organization is something else. That, plus presidents are held to a higher standard. Remember, during the election, all those discussions here about how we want someone ‘more capable’ ’smarter’ ‘not average’ ‘more astute’ as president?
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Well, now we know that I ain’t Mufti!
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
3:13 pm
“Obama calls white policeman who arrested scholar”
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-calls-white-policeman-99582.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
Paul
July 24th, 2009
3:16 pm
TNGelding
Wonderful! Good example.
Now, can we please have a new topic?
Mrs. Godzilla
July 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
a little bit ago….
President Obama just made a surprise appearance at the daily White House press briefing, taking over the podium from Press Secretary Robert Gibbs to make a few comments about the hullabaloo over the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.
“These are two decent people,” Obama said. He said he spoke by phone with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, which he said confirmed his impression that Crowley is a good, decent police officer.
But, he said, “African-Americans are sensitive to these issues, and even when you’ve got a police officer who has a fine track record on racial sensitivity, interactions between police officers and the African-American community can sometimes be fraught with misunderstanding.”
“My hope is that, as a consequence of this event, this ends up being what’s called a teachable moment,” Obama said.
…where all of us, instead of pumping up the volume, spend a little more time listening to each other, and try to focus on how we can generally improve relations between police officers and minority communities, and that instead of flinging accusations we can all be a little more reflective in terms of what we can do to contribute to more unity.
As for those who criticized the president for getting involved:
There are some who say as president I shouldn’t have stepped into this at all, (which) I disagree with. The fact that this has become such big issue is indicative of fact that race is still a troubling aspect of our society.
“Whether I were black or white, I think me commenting on this and hopefully contributing to constructive, not negative, (discussion) … is part of my portfolio,” Obama said.
As for the teachable moment, he said we need to spend “a little more time listening to each other, and focus on how we can generally improve relationships between police officers and minority communities.”
He also said Crowley suggested that he, the president and Gates meet over a beer in the White House. Obama said it hasn’t been scheduled, but seemed open to the idea.
Crowley apparently asked Obama how to get reporters off his lawn.
“I informed him I can’t get the press off my lawn. He pointed out my lawn is bigger than his lawn,” he said, to laughter from the press corps. “Sgt. Crowley would be happy for you to stop trampling his grass.”
Obama also joked that no one’s been paying much attention to health care because of this story.
FROM TPM
AmVet
July 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
OK, real life calls. (Thank gawd!)
For your aural pleasure, some soft twelve string sweetness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoxHGxQw9ws&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmgZ2EcXCz4
Good night all…
Ted Kennedy
July 24th, 2009
3:20 pm
Guinness Stout all around…HURRAH!!! Psst…barkeep…I’ll have a Yager shot on the side…HURRAH!!!
Normal
July 24th, 2009
3:21 pm
Paul, you are correct. They did ask. my bad, but it looks like the President is trying to make ammends now.
Matilda
July 24th, 2009
3:22 pm
Why didn’t the police officer simply depart once he realized he was not confronting a burglar? “Sorry to bother you,” and a mumbled “Hope you don’t need our help anytime soon….” while walking away would have been an appropriate response to the angry ranting of the middle-aged partially lame man who just produced proof that he was in his legal residence. He probably would have stopped hollering the minute he found himself alone again, and no neighbors or Presidents would have been disturbed. Just sayin’.
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:23 pm
I report: I knew that already!
One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America
Just sayin’!
Normal
July 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
Matilda, the concern you have for the law is, “the intent versus the letter of the law”…I think. Too many follow the letter of the law too often and usually with skewed results, the “intent” allows a little empathy (Oh no, that word, again).
md
July 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
“md, there will always be race issues just like there will never be peace on earth. If there were only two people left on the planet they probably wouldn’t get along.”
I agree, and Congress would be a good starting place. At the moment, we have the Black, Hispanic, and Asian Caucuses. Why? Are they all not there to represent ALL americans? What about native americans, europeans, eskimos, females, etc. etc.
Until we all call ourselves americans, race issues will not go away.
Ted Kennedy
July 24th, 2009
3:26 pm
Matilda dear you have arrived a little late to the party. Nonetheless please have a Pabst Blue Ribbon on Uncle Teddy!! Psst…Barkeep…I think a shot of Pepe Lopez Tequila is in order…HUURRAAAHH!!!
Ted Kennedy
July 24th, 2009
3:27 pm
Uncle Teddy will soon be starting a cawcuss for alcoholic Americans…HURRAH!!! Belly up boys and girls, another round of GUINNESS!!!
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
3:28 pm
md–@ 3:25–Native Americans? You mean there are still some of THOSE PEOPLE left? Ssh..DADT.
Eric J.
July 24th, 2009
3:32 pm
“One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America”
Um…is this supposed to be clever, or even contributing to this or any discussion in some constructive manner?
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:33 pm
Barry got it wrong with the 2 decent people, only one decent person. Gates is a POS and needs to spend more time in jail. Cops need to start targeting him and harrass him every single time he leaves his house.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
3:34 pm
Kayaker 71
July 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Then why do they keep voting for Republicans for president?
md
July 24th, 2009
3:35 pm
“md–@ 3:25–Native Americans? You mean there are still some of THOSE PEOPLE left? Ssh..DADT.”
And since they were here first, maybe they should kick the rest of us “racists” out of their country.
Normal
July 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Wife just called, locked herself out of the house. Lord, I love my California girl…See y’ll later, gotta go play white knight…
Scooter
July 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
I’m with uncle Ted!
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
3:43 pm
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnesia!)
July 24th, 2009
3:23 pm
And just think, we could have had Hillary!
I’m willing to live with our mistake for 3 1/2 more years and see if he can correct his.
Paul
July 24th, 2009
3:44 pm
Normal 3:21
Credit RW-(the original) for pointing out wasn’t a demand.
AmVet – sweet! I kinda thought it would be a symphonic link, but that one’s fine. Have a great weekend. Hope the traveling’s about done.
md
July 24th, 2009
3:44 pm
“Wife just called, locked herself out of the house.”
Hide a key in the yard, someone wants to break in, they do it without the key anyway.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
3:45 pm
Normal
July 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Hope you don’t get arrested! Or are you being facetious?
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
4:02 pm
normal–elsewhere…
md–they’re not a group we want to hear from especially when they don’t act meek and mild so grateful for the “oh you poor thing” crocodile tears we all like to shed when put on the spot. The Unmentionable is Choctaw-Cherokee and believe me, if white and black America alike ever heard what he has to say and he’s not particularly “radical” on the issue. But, out of sight, out of mind. His other people of color peers thought he was stark raving mad when in the last election he said that if he was voting “race” McCain would have his vote hands-down, having a record on Indian issues unsurpassed by any Senator, including Ben Nighthorse Campbell.
md
July 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
Jo,
And the rest of us like to think we have/had problems. Doesn’t even compare.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
3:28 pm
I’m afraid I’m one of the liberals that don’t fully empathize with your plight. But I’d never do or say anything to deliberately hurt you or anyone else. It’s just that it’s hard to overcome 50 years of “tradition”. I just think you should be satisfied with civil unions and forget the “marriage” thing. I have a gay brother who is very unhappy with his life, although he has always been accepted by the family. I certainly agree with you on DADT.
The sexual problems in this country are mostly hetero-, and I’m one of the worst offenders. I’m ashamed of and disgusted with myself on a daily basis. I think the lack of sex education contributed to my lewd behavior. It amazes me that anyone could criticize anyone else’s sexual activity, knowing that God only knows what they might have been up to. I can only pray that He will forgive me for mine.
“Sailor charged in Camp Pendleton shooting death of seaman”
SAN DIEGO – A sailor has been charged with fatally shooting and burning a gay serviceman last month at Camp Pendleton, but Navy officials said Thursday it was part of a crime spree not related to the victim’s sexual orientation.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/23/bn23provost-man-arrested/?military&zIndex=137171
pat
July 24th, 2009
4:16 pm
Sotomyer is to unqulified and to stupid to be on the Supreme court. There is no need to reach across, she should get zero votes from anybody.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
4:19 pm
pat
July 24th, 2009
4:16 pm
She is the product of the true American experience, as Obama is. If only we were all as well educated and competent. Live with it.
TGT
July 24th, 2009
4:20 pm
Looks like th “Blue Dogs” are helping republicans (in the House) become more “relevant”:
“House healthcare talks break down in anger… with Blue Dogs saying they were ‘lied’ to.”
sane jane
July 24th, 2009
4:20 pm
TnGelding, when did you get into the business of telling other people (who are different from you) what they should be satisfied with? (civil unions v. marriages)
If the church decides to accept them (like my fellow Episcopalians), why is it anybody’s business other than the parishioners & the two folks wanting to get married?
sane jane
July 24th, 2009
4:23 pm
pat, with 4 misspellings and some wayward grammar in one single sentence… you probably shouldn’t be calling ANYBODY “stupid.”
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
TnGelding–I appreciate your response. I will be “satisfied” with civil union when all those out to get legally hitched, whatever the ceremony, are required by the state to go to a Civil Union Bureau to take out a Civil Union License. Until such time we are creating a separate class and separate under the law is not equal. DADT is another issue and Fierce Advocate is as full of s**t as a Christmas Turkey in his calling for a “study,” politicspeak for “not in this lifetime, Pombo.”
The mere fact that you and I are event talking about this in a public forum speaks to a great leap forward since Stonewall, but the glass ceiling is there as witness what brought this on in what was supposed to be a discussion of Lindsey Graham and the future of the GOP. Also, note it was not I who brought the subject up and, if I may be forgiven for being thin-skinned, take a look at how it was brought up to begin with. In my shoes that was just another of those slaps in the face that goes with “being a gay man in America.”
Anyway, Jay’s posted his travellin’ music…
sane jane
July 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
Gandalf, there’s decency in every human. Even you.
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2009
4:26 pm
Destracted from health care. RW was wrong.
getalife,
You and Sean Hannity agree on this one. I must be right after all.
sane jane
July 24th, 2009
4:29 pm
For government/legal purposes, why don’t we ALL get civil unions? Leave the marriage stuff to the churches.
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
4:30 pm
TnGelding–I read the link. Thanks. That you would be aware of it at all, much less post the link, speaks to a decency of conscience I respect.
GreenJeans
July 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
TN at 4:07 you say: “I just think you should be satisfied with civil unions and forget the “marriage” thing.”
Forgive me for butting in here.
I used to think as you do. That changed forever on April 14, 2009.
I was sitting at my desk, writing my umteenth check to the federal government for my taxes.
All of a sudden it hit me like a hammer…my taxes ought to, should, and will buy me the same rights and privileges as any other law abiding citizen–right up there in the front of the bus, if you will.
If Civil Unions are good enough for you, then they are most certaily good enough for me. Until all “marriages” are retrofitted to become civil unions, I’ll hold out for a “marriage” same as you, even if I have to continue to spend thousands in legal fees to protect my relationship.
This realization has shaken me up, surprisingly. I would have accepted the separate-but-equal crumbs six months ago. Not now. I guess some of us have had too much time to think. Second-class just isn’t going to cut it.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
sane jane
July 24th, 2009
4:20 pm
I was just responding to something Joseph had written earlier, and was too lazy to go back to the originl posting.
TnGelding
July 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
josef nix
July 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
Thanks for being so understanding. I just wanted you to know that a lot of us understand we aren’t where we need to be, despite our best thoughts and intentions.
Yeah, I was up there already. I think I’ll walk over to the river and clear my head.
Have a great weekend.