Obama and the Henry Gates incident

We’ve got two separate questions at work in the Henry Louis Gates incident, which in this late-July news vacuum seems to getting more attention that it deserves.

Question One:

Gates has always struck me as a very intelligent, rational person. If I was “breaking into” my own home, and if I had ID to prove it was my own home, as Gates did, I could see getting a little upset if the responding cop treated me like a criminal. If I was a black man in that same situation in a neighborhood such as Cambridge, I could see that trigger getting a little shorter.

However, if I was the cop in that identical situation? I can’t promise I would have reacted differently either. Absent evidence of the interaction between the professor and the officer, we do not know and cannot know who was most at fault. Even if we had sound and videotape, I’m sure opinions would vary.

So who was right? Who knows.

Now, the second question: Should the president have ventured into the matter?

No. He should have expressed concern and moved on. But the world is not perfect, and neither are those of us who occupy it.  In expressing sympathy for Gates, Obama acknowledged and expressed the justified frustration that many black Americans feel in general about interactions with the police. I can’t blame him for that.

But in a perfect world, given his position, Obama would have explained that history without impugning the individual officer involved. His error was in translating the general problem into a specific criticism.

It’s not pretty, but this is how our national conversation about race continues. It’s all good in the end.

Really.

442 comments Add your comment

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm

No. He should have expressed concern and moved on.

Fair enough. However, having expressed his support for his friend, he is correct to not walk back that support, unless some irrefutable facts are brought to light about this modest incident that would cause him to re-evaluate.

I’ll admit that I shuddered a bit when he used the word “stupidly” to describe the police behavior, but loyalty matters, and hopefully some folks can understand why he’s decided to back the version of the guy he actually knows.

Hillbilly Deluxe

July 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm

I hadn’t even heard of the incident when the question was asked. Sometimes it’s best to just keep quiet when you don’t know what’s going on. We could all learn from that.

getalife

July 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

He took this opportunity to have our national conversation about race like he said he wanted to in his speech.

It’s working.

lil

July 23rd, 2009
9:14 pm

Well said. Can you imagine if George Bush had put his toe in this water? It must be nice to be KING.

getalife

July 23rd, 2009
9:16 pm

“In his book “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama said he has personally felt its sting: “Security guards tailing me as I shop in department stores, white couples who toss me their keys as I stand outside a restaurant waiting for the valet, police cars pulling me over for no apparent reason. I know what it’s like to have people tell me I can’t do something because of my color, and I know the bitter swill of swallowed-back anger.”

Good AP article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090723/us-obama-and-race/

pat

July 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm

It’s good. It’s making us talk. Both Mr. Crowley and Mr. Gates come from dissimilar backgrounds, which is why each responded the way they did. However, Obama shouldn’t have taken sides. It was disappointing. He showed his real hand.

misha

July 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm

gates wants to shout and rant with no apology, while everyone else is held(by him) to a different standard of acceptable demeanor, BASED ON THEIR RESPECTIVE COMPLEXION.

everyone should be treated fairly as a individual, but,
if like Gates, you will not give a white person the benefit of the doubt in this sort of case, how do you dare correct someone who, for isntance, suggests that since blacks commit vastly more crime per their PCT of the, population so its OK to treat them differently.

prejudgement IS STILL prejudgement Gates..

it cuts BOTH ways, either accept both, or neither, but you cant have it only your way of PRE-JUDGEMENT as long as it meets YOUR needs..

if gates wants to complain that blacks are singled out for extra scrutiny by whites,..

is he willing to accept group responsibility when a white person points out in PRE-JUDGEMENT the astronomically disproportionate amount crime committed BY blacks, per their percentage of the population?

have it your way, only applies at burger king, gates..

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm

This kind of thing happens every day from one end of America to the other. The only reason we’re paying any attention at all is that this one involves a “prominent” professor from a “prestige” institution. It speaks to that elitism so many found so irritating during the campaign. Nobody has bothered to question the President about the case of John Doe in Dubuque. Nor would they.

Bottom line, the more I hear, the more it sounds like a case of two jack-a**es in the throes of a testosterone attack.

Should the President have weighed in? No, he should not have. It showed poor judgment on his part and the use of the word “stupidly” is more than just an unfortunate choice of words. However, the posing of the question to begin with was nothing more than an attempt to stir up the you-know-what and the President, caught off guard, fell for it hook, line and sinker.

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm

Good thing? I don’t know about that. It’s a distraction we and he don’t need at this time.

bi

July 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm

Remember Mr. Gates, racism is a two way street. Its not ONLY white on black but black on white. Maybe Mr. Gates is the racist? He didn’t say the officer made any racist comments but the officer said he did and Mr. Gates didn’t deny it. Let’s face it there is racism, but could there possibly be a racist and angry bone in Mr. Gates’ body? Both men teach racial profiling, but one man made racial comments. Can Mr. GAtes walk the walk when he’s doing so much talking about the problem? It didn’t look that way.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
9:30 pm

Juan Williams brought up something tonight I hadn’t considered. He said that the cops are trained to stick around and fully assess the situation since there might still be a family member with a gun to their head in the other room and the homeowner has been told to get rid of the cops. If they were doing that and Gates got a chip on his shoulder he deserved to get arrested.

I still say that Obama planted that question to come at the end and take the focus off the health care debate though. He had hoped to push it over the finish line with this prime time presser when he asked the nets for the time, but by the time the press conference got here it was obvious it wasn’t going through if any light at all was shone on the details.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

Number 18.

Out of all the games of Major League Baseball that have been played, only the 18th.

For all of the hoopla in Chicagoland, still not one mention of the young man that chose to not interfere with The Catch, in my book, he is a SuperFan and should be given Club Level season tickets for life.

Hillbilly Deluxe

July 23rd, 2009
9:39 pm

How ’bout the guy who stood up and asked a question when it was supposed to be the Cleveland guy’s turn? The subversive in me enjoyed that. If you pre-plan who you are going to call on, as all Presidents do, you should learn the faces.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
9:41 pm

By the way, I’ve made my way through the hood, and felt the eyes on my back, been chased down the street, had my windows smashed out, been propositioned and all the other sicko stereotypes that you race haters assign to anyone who doesn’t agree with you politically.

Widen the gap on behalf of your ignorant “president.”

klowns

Hillbilly Deluxe

July 23rd, 2009
9:41 pm

IR/YW

He was doing what all spectaturs should do, let the players decide the outcome.

mike

July 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

“But the world is not perfect, and neither are those of us who occupy it.”

LOL. Can you imagine Jay ever saying such a thing about any Republican? What a joke.

P

July 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

I think the bottom line is human beings are human beings; ie sinful and alienated from God and this is just the next chapter of our nations history in that. See Ephesians chapter 2 that shows only Christ can truly bring two ethnic groups into one and break down those barriers. Peace out.

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
9:41 pm

Don’t get carried away.

ByteMe

July 23rd, 2009
9:48 pm

Obama needs to learn to say things more like this “As Gates’ friend, I share his frustration and anger at what happened. As the President of the United States, it’s a local matter and I don’t think it’s appropriate for me to comment on it at this time.”

But, hey, you talk without notes long enough, eventually you’re going to say something that creates a news story out of nothing on a slow news day.

ByteMe

July 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

And, mike, Jay points out often how imperfect the Republicans are. And Democrats as well. You need to take your filters out and clean them.

get out much?

July 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm

Regarding Prof. Gates, if you can’t challenge government’s authority (and the police are an agent of the government) in your own home, where can you challenge it? Remember people, this was his home, pretty much the only place Prof. Gates is entitled to act like a complete jerk, even to a police officer.

Regarding President Obama, while I generally approve open and honest answers from the President, in this case I think he should have refrained from answering. Maybe later, when the tempers have had a chance to cool down.

j$

July 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

“It’s all good in the end”

Except for cops who are trying to do their job to serve and protect.

getalife

July 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

It’s a great time to talk about race with the birthers.

Lots of fun :)

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:59 pm

I caught a short clip of Professor Gates speaking to a group of young adults — mostly black. He was certainly enjoying the limelight. The officer seems less interested in the limelight. The strongest words he used to describe Obama’s response was “disappointing”.

Let’s compare here (paraphrasing)

Obama – “The officer acted stupidly.”

Sgt. Crowley – “President Obama’s words were disappointing.”

Sgt. Crowley for President 2012!!!

md

July 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm

Oh Joy, more CIC on the job training. I guess Harvard didn’t have any MGT 101 classes.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm

BM,

The day after the President calling a prime time news conference should never be a slow news day since he should never call one when it isn’t pretty darned important.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

Can we just shorten this to Obamagates?

tom

July 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm

Obama&Gates two birds of a feather. They stir the comunity thats what they do, just like Sharpen. If it happen as the Police report Gates is lucky he still has his teeth. He was being an arrogant professor not because he was black his ilk is the same he could have been a ponie tail white guy. I say Obama shut up your the President now oh you do say stupid things without knowing the facts like im for the president of hundorus. Hes just an empty suit like that Gates.

DoggoneGA

July 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

I posted this in a previous thread, but it belongs here too:
Here’s a different perspective on the Gates arrest: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/454282/skip_gates_and_the_post_racial_project?rel=emailNation

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

I am just so thankful that he did not invent a whole new word or something that would ultimately lead to him being totally undermisstood or even worster.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm

Obama ’surprised’ by flap over comments on police, Gates

President Obama just told Terry Moran of ABC News that he stands by his comment that Cambridge, Mass., police acted “stupidly” by arresting African-American scholar Henry Gates at his home near Harvard.

Obama did offer a bit of an olive branch, saying he respects the difficulties that all police face and calling the sergeant who arrested Gates an “outstanding police officer.”

I’m so confused!!!

Is Sgt. Crowley outstanding or out standing stupidly?

Nuantsy?

ByteMe

July 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm

RW: all but two questions at the news conference were about health care and the not entertaining enough for the “news” people. But a good race-based argument is always good for a couple of days.

As I said: he should-a said what I wrote above.

ByteMe

July 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm

@@: you paraphrased and then assumed that’s what he said, which it wasn’t. Go back to the transcript and then try again.

AmVet

July 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm

So let’s see if I’ve got this straight?

Kayaker had been bellyaching for days on end to get this topic on the blog. (Nothing else was satisfactory)

Now that it’s here, he’s quiet as a church mouse. A veritable blogging persona non grata.

And I was so looking forward to some elucidation and frankly “answers” to these perplexing questions from him.

C’mon Kayaker, inquiring minds want to know!

ByteMe

July 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm

Well slap my forehead:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090723/pl_nm/us_usa_congress_budget_2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A plan to bring the ballooning U.S. deficit under control passed the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday, requiring Congress to find savings to offset tax cuts or spending increases.

Republicans, of course, voted against it.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm

BM,

What I said was the President has no business calling a prime time news conference when he has nothing to say. That’s why he planted that last question, but as it turns out……

He didn’t just tick off the cops. The ear nose and throat people weren’t all that thrilled with being told they were greedy barbarians scheming on your kids tonsils for some extra cash.

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm

Republicans, of course, voted against it.

Why, of course they voted against it. After all, they are the party of full service lip service.

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
10:43 pm

j$

July 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

In a perfect world.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm

Okey Dokey Byte!

“I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry. Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.

“Cambridge police” – I assume he’s talking about the arresting officer.

“acted” – performed an action

Stupidly (Adverb)

# in a state of stupor; dazed; stunned; stupefied
# lacking normal intelligence or understanding; slow-witted; dull
# showing or resulting from a lack of normal intelligence; foolish; irrational a stupid idea
# dull and boring; tiresome

Since the act was performed by the officer, he’s pretty much saying the officer was stupid. How he intended it and how it’s perceived are two different things.

Maybe Judge Sotomayor should step up to the mic and say that “his was a poor choice of words” and if he had to do it over again he would have said it differently?

Naahhh, too late…he stands by his comment.

President Obama responded stupidly.

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm

@@

July 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm

He wouldn’t be the first outstanding individual to act stupidly.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm

@@

July 23rd, 2009
10:57 pm

TnG:

You’re right! There’s always Joe Biden.

I LUV Joe!

(ISH)

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
10:59 pm

Has Reid switched parties?

“It’s better to have a product” that’s “based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than to go jamming something through,” Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said today in Washington.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awy.vjbDaPLw

Raider

July 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm

Want to know whats in the health care bill? Ok here it is.

page 22 – of the HC bill, mandates the Government will audit the books of all employers that self insure

page 30 sec. 123 – of the HC bill, a Government committee will decide what treatment and benefits a person may receive

page 29 lines 4-16 – of the HC bill, your health care will be rationed

page 42 – of the HC bill, the health choices commissioner will choose you health care benefits for you
page 50 sec. 152 – of the HC bill, health care will be provided to all non-U.S. citizens, illgeal or otherwise
page 59 lines 21-24- of the HC bill,Government will direct acess to your bank account in case of you not making a payment on time

People I can go on and on
Dont believe me, then Goggle it and you will see, its all over the internet
THIS MUST BE STOPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dusty

July 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

Well, my first comment was up for moderation. After four days of being away and now posting nothing “bad.” I get “moderated”. I think the moderator is a McCarthy liberal offspring mechanism manufactured at Harvard. Yep!!. ETERNAL QUESTION! WHY WAS I MODERATED???? I demand justice and equal rights. etc., etc., etc., It is pure liberal suppression. and the police did NOT do it.! So there!

The jist of my first comment was that Gates was handcuffed as any other person would have been with the same behavior.

Obama’s remarks only show the reflection of listening to Rev. “Hate’em” Wright for twenty years. I am not surprised by Gates or Obama except I had hoped they had both grown beyond the most time worn excuse for bad behavior and attitudes. They haven’t.

The majority of police in my city are “black” and I believe they follow the same law for all people. I don’t think the”white ” policeman with Gates was any different.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

DANG! That police report makes Gates appear unreasonable.

Since there were eyewitnesses, Obama should have inferred he was suffering from dementia. Worked to Obama’s advantage with IG Walpin.

Richard

July 23rd, 2009
11:22 pm

I think President Obama made very bad mistake in forgetting that he is president of all Americans — black and white — when he rushed to “side” with a black man in a supposedly black/white racial confrontation. I voted for him because, in part, I thought he understood this but his stark failure to act on issues assuring equality for Gay/Lesbian Americans and now this foolhardy response to the Gates imbroglio really makes me wonder that I may have made a mistake myself.

Dusty

July 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm

Do you know that moderated reports show up on the RSS feed? At least mine did. I guess they get whacked after that. Wasn’t Bookman against Homeland Defense doing this sort of thing? IInterfereing in communications that is.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
11:34 pm

@@,

That police report was linked in the original Boston Globe story, but once Obama weighed in the New York Times owned Boston “news”paper flushed it down the memory hole.

Dave R.

July 24th, 2009
5:01 am

Let’s see . . .

Harvard police get called because someone innocently thought that a local residence was being broken into.

Harvard professor on “race relations” is confronted in his own home by Harvard police officer.

Harvard police officer asks Harvard professor for some valid ID with a picture on it. Something asked of virtually everybody from altercations to simple traffic stops.

Harvard professor of “race relations” refuses to provide requested ID and instead, gets belligerent. I realize this is a conclusion on my part, but really, if Gates had simply provided the requested ID, don’t you think that any police officer would have simply thanked the professor and gone on his way if a valid ID was provided?

Conclusion: When the dreaded six words were uttered, “Do you know who I am?” and no immediate recognition was forthcoming, the professor of “race relations” decided to throw a hissy fit in order to get some much needed attention.

Mission accomplished.

Hope & Change should have just declined to answer, but pulling the race card is too easy for Democrats. Knee-jerk reaction, with emphasis on the “jerk”.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
5:37 am

Dave R –

Gates DID provide his ID, which was why the Cambridge police officer called for the university police.

The question is: why did the officer feel it was necessary to ask Gates to go outside to “discuss the situation” AFTER his identity was verified and AFTER the officer knew that Gates was in the house lawfully? Sounds to me like he wanted to humiliate Gates by questioning him in front of all his neighbors. And why didn’t the officer just hand Gates his card when asked for his name?

While Gates is definitely milking the situation for all its worth, I’m sorry – if someone treated me like *I* was in the wrong for trying to get into *my own house* after I proved that it was, indeed, MY house, I’d get beligerent, too, if they were trying to parade me in front of my neighbors.

Byte Me –

““As Gates’ friend, I share his frustration and anger at what happened. As the President of the United States, it’s a local matter and I don’t think it’s appropriate for me to comment on it at this time.”

now. imagine if you will, what the nattering nabobs of nincompoopery on the right would have said if he HAD said that “ooooo, Obama didn’t have the answer on his teleprompter, so he couldn’t come up with an answer …. oooooo, Obama doesn’t have a spine …. ooooo, Obama shows just how namby-pamby he is”. let’s face it – there is NOTHING he could have said that would have made people like @@ and RW happy.

RW –

Obamagates. now, that’s funny.

meanwhile … someone who says he’s a black Harvard professor says Gates’ problem has less to do with race than it does being a Harvard elitist: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/24/gates/

the article is a good read.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
5:45 am

RW (and @@)

“That police report was linked in the original Boston Globe story, but once Obama weighed in the New York Times owned Boston “news”paper flushed it down the memory hole.”

what a load of bollocks … since when is posting a link on the front page of the website “flushing it down the memory hole”

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/

g’head … check the link … i dare you …

the link is cleverly hidden under the title “Police Report” … right next to the other link “Statement from the police”

idiot.

Dave R.

July 24th, 2009
5:56 am

USinUK, Gates initially provided his Harvard ID, which did NOT contain his picture nor address. He then refused to present any other ID until after he escalated this incident with his attitude.

This guy was looking for a confrontation, and he generated it himself. Maybe he’s a little short on cash and needs a book or film deal.

Or maybe he just needs more attention than he’s been getting lately.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 24th, 2009
6:01 am

TnGelding

July 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
9:41 pm

Don’t get carried away.

You mean like our “president” already has?

This works both ways, even though you libs are too dumb to realize it.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
6:03 am

Dave –

“This guy was looking for a confrontation, and he generated it himself.”

he was IN HIS OWN HOUSE. he wasn’t “looking” for anything.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 24th, 2009
6:19 am

The “president” of the United States picking up his bullhorn, dusting it off from it’s long kampaign exile and taking his proper place alongide the likes of Al Sharpton.

Klean and artikulate indeed.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
6:21 am

whiner COULD be more of a racist, but it would require that he iron his sheets and he’s just too lazy for that …

Cherokee

July 24th, 2009
6:40 am

More “christian” comments from Andy.

I think Obama should have kept his nose out of it too. But as a lily white guy, I’ve run into obnoxious arrogant cops too, so I can’t really blame Professor Gates. I’d probably tend to decline if a cop invited me out of my own house after I’d already proven to him that it was mine.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 24th, 2009
7:00 am

A black man, elected to the highest office in the United States, by blacks AND whites he got there, babbling on about “racism.”

Some habits are hard to break, eh?

Doggone/GA

July 24th, 2009
7:02 am

“Some habits are hard to break, eh?”

You should know.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 24th, 2009
7:09 am

It accuses the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now of carrying out “a nation-wide strategy of tax fraud, racketeering, money-laundering and manipulating the American electorate.” Specifically, the report accuses ACORN of racketeering, evading taxes, sloppy accounting, defrauding donors, defrauding the U.S. government, filing false statements, obstructing justice, and plundering employee pension funds. -AmSpec

Gee, what a lovely organization this is.

Eddy

July 24th, 2009
7:24 am

How convenient for Gates…..the esteemed, intellectual, all knowing, all seeing, “don’t you know who I am”…. to use not an intelligent or esteemed or logical response to the officer’s questions but to go to his real comfort zone, racism. And the comment by O, “acted stupidly”……pot meet kettle!!

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
7:25 am

The cop invites Gates out of his own house for a reason. The cop has more authority outside the house than he does inside. Republicans should understand the notion since they claim to always be fighting for personal freedom and rights. Then again, they are hypocrites, these Republicans with their convenient lapse of faux outrage in this particular case.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
7:32 am

Trust me …

“Republicans should understand the notion since they claim to always be fighting for personal freedom and rights.”

EXACTLY – if any of their bretheren were the ones falseley arrested, they’d be the FIRST to start throwing around phrases like “jack-booted thugs”

however, once Obama defended Gates, the dye was cast.

Paul

July 24th, 2009
7:32 am

If one approaches each new situation with the attitude it’s going to be just another replay of the past, how does one ever progress?

Joey

July 24th, 2009
7:35 am

This discussion of the acting stupidly may actually be good for President Obama. It can easily be made into a race debate. Otherwise we might be discussing the criminal acts of our Doctors.

President Obama gave us this anecdote (not a quote):
Let’s say you took your child to the Doctor. He has a sore throat. The Doctor looks at the child and says to herself:

This is only a sore throat, I could prescribe and antibiotic and send him home. But if I choose to take out the tonsils, I will make a lot more money. Let’s operate tomorrow.

Taking the discussion of National Heathcare in the direction of providing protection for us from our Doctors is our President speaking stupidly.

Finn McCool

July 24th, 2009
7:41 am

It was W’s fault.

Thought I’d get that out of the way.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
7:43 am

G’morning, Finny – and thanks for clarifying :-)

Doggone/GA

July 24th, 2009
7:45 am

“If one approaches each new situation with the attitude it’s going to be just another replay of the past, how does one ever progress?”

If the situation IS a replay of the past…how can we ever progress?

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
7:47 am

George did do one thing right. He finally said no to Dick for once. Too bad he waited almost eight years to demand that dick release his grip.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 24th, 2009
7:49 am

Heh, Peggy Noonan comes through when you need her-

So this might be an unarticulated public fear: When everyone pays for the same health-care system, the overseers will feel more and more a right to tell you how to live, which simple joys are allowed and which are not.

Americans in the most personal, daily ways feel they are less free than they used to be. And they are right, they are less free.

Hey, if you libs lost Peggy, you’ve lost the squish moderates, hahahaha, suckers.

Normal

July 24th, 2009
7:49 am

@@: lacking normal intelligence or understanding; slow-witted; dull
———-
You rang?

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
7:53 am

Can you imagine if Gates had been a dues-paying NRA member and if that cop had walked in and seen all sorts of firearms and then, out of the corner of his eye, spotted an instant of reflected light off of Gate’s concealed weapon while inside his house. The drama. What are the people’s rights in this place called Cambridge anyway.

Normal

July 24th, 2009
7:54 am

Americans in the most personal, daily ways feel they are less free than they used to be. And they are right, they are less free.

Think of it like this, “Freedom IS just another word for nothing left to lose…” So we have never been more free…

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
7:56 am

In case some of you have not been paying attention, insurance companies “tell you how to live” all the time in exchange for paying them for their policy. If you don’t understand that, then perhaps you should read the policy.

Peadawg

July 24th, 2009
7:56 am

Obama just needs to deal w/ the REAL ISSUES of this country.

zip

July 24th, 2009
7:57 am

a few things are clear. 1- Even the best of people who travel are often exhausted and peevish after a long trip. 2- Many people treat Law Enforcement Officers with disrespect and that has to eventually get frustrating for them. 3- Law Enforcement Officers have got to approach every call as potentially dangerous. 4- Anyone who does not cooperate with Law Enforcement or openly challenges them risks arrest. All the stars were aligned on this one….

Gale

July 24th, 2009
7:57 am

If there was ever a time for the president to stonewall, that was it. It amazes me that he was even aware of the incident – which was a local thing. That in itself points to a bit of bias the president should not admit to.

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
7:58 am

Gee, that’s so Bobby of you Mac.

Gandalf of Gwinnesia

July 24th, 2009
7:59 am

Gates is a race baiter! He is professor of race hatred at Harvard. How stupid is that department!

Normal

July 24th, 2009
8:01 am

Trust Me: Peace, Love, Poverty….

Gandalf of Gwinnesia

July 24th, 2009
8:01 am

Barry is the one who acted stupidly! He is an idiot!

Paul

July 24th, 2009
8:02 am

Dave R. 5:01

[[When the dreaded six words were uttered, “Do you know who I am?” and no immediate recognition was forthcoming, the professor of “race relations” decided to throw a hissy fit in order to get some much needed attention.]]

Reader’s Digest some years back: numerous flights at a major airport were cancelled simultaneously. There was a mad rush of passengers to get in line to rebook. One man in an expensive suit went to the front of the line and demanded to be put on the next flight. The gate attendant told him to take his turn and get in line. He said he had a very important meeting and needed to be on the next flight. The attendant politely told him everyone else needed to get where they were going and to please get in line. Then came the dreaded, “Do you know who I am?!!?” The attendant picked up the phone and over the terminal loudspeakers, all heard, “Attention in the terminal. We have a man at gate 17 who doesn’t know who he is. If anyone knows him, would you please let him know who he is?” To hoots and hollers and applause, he made his way to the back of the line – at another gate.

USinUK 5:37

That’s about the third time you’ve speculated Officer Crowley asked Prof Gates to go outside in order to humiliate him. If you’d read the past reports or the one RW posted, you’d see Prof Gates demanded Officer Crowley provide his name, which Officer Crowey had twice done, and Officer Crowley was done. He wanted to leave. He informed Prof Gates if he had any ‘other’ questions he’d be outside. Do you really think it reasonable (I am not sure what police procedure is) that Officer Crowley remain in the residence in such a circumstance?
And (Trust me) 7:25 – Officer Crowley did not invite Prof Gates outside. He stated he was leaving and if he had further questions, he‘d be outside.

I really don’t understand Prof Gates response of “ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside.” Is this some kind of an insult, racial or otherwise?

Report/Whine 7:00

My impression is candidate Obama studiously avoided race during the campaign, striving to make his campaign about something other than race. Which is one reason why his handling of this incident is causing so much controversy.

A followup question at the next news conference: “President Obama, you began your remarks on the Cambridge situation by stating you did not have all the facts but had a past bias that could influence your outlook. President Obama, can you cite other instances, domestically or internationally, where you made pronouncements and proposed action, where you didn’t have the facts but had a bias that formed the basis of your proposals?”

Finn McCool 7:41

Thanks! Gotta keep stuff in perspective! 

Doggone/GA 7:45

It’s about attitude. Each situation is new. It’s how one looks at it that’s the key.

It’s how discoveries are made. Most look at a situation as a replay of the past. Someone else takes the situation without preconception and conceives a new idea. Discoveries are made.

A newly married woman hears a phrase uttered by her new husband that dredges up unpleasant memories from past interactions with a previous boyfriend. She asks her husband what he means. She then realizes her husband has a completely different intent than the previous boyfriend. Much better result than making an assumption the husband is just a replay of the past boyfriend.

mr. mike

July 24th, 2009
8:04 am

Enter your comments here

This “Whiner” individual considers Peggy Noonan(former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan) to be a squishy moderate?

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
8:04 am

I though that the President made it very clear that Gates was a friend and that his statements may show bias as a result. Further, he was asked about the case by a reporter that just did not have any more relevant topics on his agenda.

Pennsylvanian

July 24th, 2009
8:05 am

It is now clear Pres. Obama suffers from the same malady as Biden and Sotomayor – Motor Mouth. You suppose that will be covered in the new Health Insurance Reform (formerly known as Health Care Reform)? Oh, wait. Obama dissed the ENT crowd. Nobody will treat his MM.

Paul

July 24th, 2009
8:05 am

DoggoneGA

I just reinterpreted your remark “If the situation IS a replay of the past…how can we ever progress?” as a restatement of what I’d written, whereas my previous post answered as if it was a disagreement. In other words, if the situation IS a replay of the past //in either Officer Crowley’s mind or in Prof Gates’s mind// then how can either of them progress to a new level of interaction and understanding?

Interesting, eh?

Shawny

July 24th, 2009
8:06 am

That was an unfortunate incident, and the president made himself look bad, and the worst part of it, is that there was no reason to make that comment. What did he stand to gain by that?

Doggone/GA

July 24th, 2009
8:07 am

“It’s about attitude. Each situation is new. It’s how one looks at it that’s the key”

And if you are tired from a long trip, and frustrated because you can’t get into your house…AT THAT TIME, you just might be running on auto-pilot and not have the energy to look at if differently.

I don’t take sides on this one, I think they both made mistakes. And I think they BOTH reacted as if this situation was a “replay” of past situations.

Trust me

July 24th, 2009
8:11 am

And (Trust me) 7:25 – Officer Crowley did not invite Prof Gates outside. He stated he was leaving and if he had further questions, he‘d be outside.

Paul, the invitation to step outside was made. The cop did not order him outside. He did invite him.

Paul

July 24th, 2009
8:12 am

Doggone/GA 8:07

The second paragraph – isn’t that the kind of circumstance police are trained to be aware of? I read where the Cambridge police dept stated the officer followed procedure.

From the officer’s perspective, isn’t the replay “I’m responding to a reported break-in, which may or may not be a break-in”? What mistakes do you think he made, and what should he have done differently?

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
8:13 am

Paul –

“If you’d read the past reports or the one RW posted, you’d see Prof Gates demanded Officer Crowley provide his name, which Officer Crowey had twice done, and Officer Crowley was done.”

according to Crowley’s account (posted twice yesterday), he asked Gates outside because he said the kitchen was too loud. I’m just taking what Crowley said and saying that it just doesn’t add up.

Normal –

yesterday, you posted a statement about unemployment in GA being at 10% right as I was about to sit down for dinner, so I couldn’t address it at the time, but want to address it now.

something most people don’t seem to realize is that unemployment is a lagging indicator – in other words, it’s one of the LAST things to show an improvement when the economy is on the mend, not the first.

think about it – you own a business and you are at an employment level that is comfortable for you. All your people are busy, but not crazy-busy and you have managed to have a slim profit margin. Then, business starts to pick up slowly – do you immediately staff up? or do you keep the staff you currently have and ask them to do more? (thus shoring up your profit margin, as well) Productivity readings are still showing some slack, so businesses are going to add more to their worklevel before they add more staff.

does that help?

Gandalf of Gwinnesia

July 24th, 2009
8:17 am

And to think, you all elected the Barry and Joe! God help us till the next election!

Paul

July 24th, 2009
8:18 am

Trust me

I suppose it’s semantics based on background?

If I hear someone say, “I’m going outside. Please come with me” I take it as an invitation – and if it’s a person in an authority position, I’d likely take it as a pretty strong invitation.

If I hear someone say “I’m going outside //IF// you want to ask me anything else, that’s where I’ll be” – I’ve been given information. I haven’t been ‘invited’ to do anything.

Further, Officer Gates made it a matter of Prof Gates’s choice. IF Prof Gates wanted to continue to ask questions, Officer Crowley stated where he’d be. No different than saying “I’m leaving, here’s my card, call me if you have any other questions.” That’s not an ‘invitation’ to call. It’s a ‘IF you want to know something, this is how to reach me.”

Remember, this discussion over an ‘invite’ began with the allegation the officer invited the professor to go outside an enclosed area into a public area in order to humiliate him.

USinUK

July 24th, 2009
8:19 am

GtG –

“God help us till the next election!”

he seems to be … leading economic indicators are up, existing home sales are up, on the month, house prices rose indicating that the market is stabilizing, the equity markets are doing well …

Redneck Convert

July 24th, 2009
8:20 am

Well, I sure am glad Sister Dusty’s back. Maybe we’ll get some action on this blog now. Ever since she left people are just too polite. She’s like the driver that goes 25 mph on a innerstate. She ain’t never been in a wreck but she’s caused thousands. I’ll be checking in later to see the name-calling and such. Have a good day everybody.

AmVet

July 24th, 2009
8:21 am

An extremely minor faux pas on the POTUS’s part I would say.

NOT anywhere near the level of idiotic assertions posted here by the conned “faithful”.

One would think he invaded the wrong country and got a whole bunch of Americans killed needlessly or spent half of his first one hundred days in office on vacation…

Class of '98

July 24th, 2009
8:21 am

Misha, you hit the nail on the head.

Many black people constantly complain about being “pre-judged” based on the color of their skin.

At the same time, they take it for granted that all white people are racist.

They can’t see the forest for the trees.

Paul

July 24th, 2009
8:22 am

USinUK 8:13

I didn’t read it that way. I understand Prof Crowley asked a question for a third time, which Officer Crowley had previously answered. Isn’t it obvious Officer Crowley was satisfied of Prof Gates’s identity and, having turned the matter over to the Harvard police, wanted to leave? Further communication with his base and the Harvard police was obviously necessary. Going outside, where the acoustics were better – and where he did not have to contend with Prof Gates’s loud voice, seems a proper course of action.

Question

July 24th, 2009
8:23 am

It seems PresBO without his teleprompter suffers from ‘foot-in-mouth disease’ — saying physicians scam and police act stupidly. Take away his teleprompter and he reverts to his community activist days…

Sidebar — also seems the more his health care reform is looked at objectively (and not under the pressure of crisis, doom, and ‘if we don’t pass this today’) the proposal is not all PresBO says it is. Hopefully we have right health care reform package and NOT one passed for the sake of doing something/anything!!!