A little bit of truth-telling from inside Washington

Conor Friedersdorf, a young conservative writer of considerable talent, posts from Washington on The Atlantic’s blog and commits the serious sin of candid truth-telling:

…. There is this idea among movement conservatives—especially the rank-and-file—that Washington DC journalism is populated by a lot of disingenuous, careerist sellouts. These elites write to enrich themselves, to inflate their sense of self-importance, and to garner social capital, invariably measured by invitations to the dread “Georgetown cocktail party.” Thus they are unconcerned with truth, intellectual honesty, or the actual interests of anyone outside the New York to DC corridor.

This narrative is largely true! Anyone who pays close attention to DC journalism can easily spot intellectually dishonest hacks writing stuff they don’t actually believe, whether to advance their careers or to further a political agenda by the most cynical means imaginable. A blogger could write five posts a day fisking political journalism that is either astonishingly ignorant or disingenuous – and a Washington DC journalist doesn’t have to attend very many happy hours to hear people basically admit that they are hacks who don’t actually believe significant parts of their oeuvres.

What vexes me, having observed this game over the last couple years, is that the people accused of being inside-the-beltway sellouts are often the folks who write exactly what they believe; whereas the kinds of publications that rank-and-file conservatives revere for “never selling out” actually do so all the time….

Though I don’t plan to make my life in Washington DC, I wish the right-leaning critics of its journalistic culture would come visit before I leave, make themselves flies on the walls at various social gatherings, and observe who it really is that stays true to themselves in their writing — and who views their work as a political writer in the most cynical, careerist terms imaginable. They’d realize that they’ve got everything exactly right, and exactly backward, at the same time. It is merely another example of a need for the right to better identify its elites, and demand better ones.

I’d agree with all that, but with one important caveat. A lot of people on the left look at the Washington media establishment in much the same way, and they too are correct.

The days since 9/11 have taught me a lot about our country, about people in general and about my business, not all of it good. But the sycophantic and even cowardly behavior of media bigwigs in Washington during the run-up to the Iraq war and in the early years of the occupation appalled me. A lot of those people knew better and pretended otherwise in order to keep their place in the Washington pecking order, and their silence harmed this country.

Yes, it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

229 comments Add your comment

Cherokee

July 23rd, 2009
7:11 am

I agree Jay, although I can’t say I blame them – they have families to take care of too. And given the constant shrill refrain about the liberal media from the right wing noise machine, it’s got to be hard to stand up and do the right thing.

It bothers me much more when the cowardly Democrats in Congress refuse to stand up to the Boortzs and Limbaughs of the world.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
7:14 am

We have first hand experience of those right-wing hacks: I Report links us to them at least 15 times a day.

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
7:16 am

A lot of people on the left look at the Washington media establishment in much the same way, and they too are correct.

The difference being, of course, that most folks on the right pretend as if these lefties don’t even exist, because it’d upset their “librul media bass” nonsense that plays so well on the screechy AM airwaves.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
7:17 am

What about the “the sycophantic and even cowardly behavior of media bigwigs” in Atlanta?

Let me guess, cutting and pasting DNC and White House talking point memos is an honorable and distinguished career?

It’s hard to take this bookman seriously, wait a minute, I mean it’s easy not to take this bookman seriously, listening to him scold people for doing what he makes a living on.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
7:20 am

I Report,

You’re saying Jay doesn’t write about what he believes in? What he perceives as the truth? You’re saying he is writing against his beliefs?

Or are you just unable to comprehend his blog post this morning?

Normal

July 23rd, 2009
7:27 am

True news reporting died the day independent news papers and TV stations were bought by the likes of Murdoch, Clear Channel, and others.
News is censored, biased, and has become an entertainment outlet. We will never see the news of the Murrow, Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley days…

Mrs. Godzilla

July 23rd, 2009
7:32 am

We are witnessing this same thing in the battle for healthcare.

“REPORT: On health care reform, networks highlight perceived setbacks far more than progress

SUMMARY: In two studies, Media Matters documents that TV news networks have repeatedly given considerably more attention to perceived setbacks to progressive health care reform efforts than to events that signal progress for those efforts”

More Here:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907220012

Turd Ferguson

July 23rd, 2009
7:35 am

This is nothing new…journalist, with the exception of one Jay Bookman, are basically nothing but liars and panderers. The “big” Atlanta newspaper is full of nothing more than opinion and therefore relegates itself to outhouse use.

Same thing with these local news anchors who thrust upon us their OH SO RELEVANT opinions and superstitions. Regarding news organizations, believe little of what you hear and only about half of what you see.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
7:35 am

A lot of those people knew better and pretended otherwise in order to keep their place in the Washington pecking order, and their silence harmed this country.

America will reap the benefits of this “harm” to the country for years to come, a democracy of free people in the midst of a region of fanatical enslavement, the effects of which have already inspired the people of Iran to rise up against the tyrannical yoke that they suffer under.

I, myself, would call these “silent” journalists Patriots, but then again, that is just me.

It was far more “honorable” to focus the camera on the latest car bombing, day in and day out for years on end, while you whined and moaned about a righteous mission to fight and defeat the throat cutting murderers of innocent women and children, yes, I believe even pukelitzers were awarded for such “bravery.”

“Hacks” indeed.

Turd Ferguson

July 23rd, 2009
7:36 am

Lettuce hope this Healthcare debacle dies asap as its no more than a smoke-screen for stupid government. And yes…the govt chowder heads are basically stupid crooks.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
7:36 am

Did that help you any, Finn?

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
7:39 am

Maybe the journalism field pays too well? Maybe you have to weed out the pretenders by paying everyone minimum wage for a while?

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
7:41 am

I have been tempted numerous times to just cancel Dish Network. They pre-package the options of ’stations’ that they want me to purchase instead of giving me the choice. I had a package that did not include FOX news because I refused to pay for any package that contained it. I bought the lesser package just to avoid it. Now, they have suddenly added FOX news to the new package. If they try to raise my package cost, I’ll drop them like a rock and just use the Internet to pick and choose what I want to watch on TV.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
7:43 am

Yes, thanks I Report.

I wish you would join the armed forces so you can fight them over there so you aren’t tempted to blow stuff up over here.

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
7:46 am

focus the camera on the latest car bombing, day in and day out for years on end, while you whined and moaned about a righteous mission to fight and defeat the throat cutting murderers of innocent women and children

Our resident military historian strikes again.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2009
7:47 am

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-guardsman-dies-in-98401.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
“Georgia guardsman dies in Afghanistan”

We must prosecute Obama for this un-just war and murder!

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
7:49 am

TV news networks have repeatedly given considerably more attention to perceived setbacks to progressive health care reform efforts than to events that signal progress for those efforts

I don’t think anybody anticipated that commercial, for-profit news organizations might focus on efforts to derail legislation that might dry up sources of future advertising revenue rather than what that legislation would mean to actual voting citizens.

Tweety was particularly awful last night, from what I could stomach of him (about one minute.)

Curious Observer

July 23rd, 2009
7:51 am

Journalists who don’t believe what they write–I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you. Next you’ll be telling me there are bloggers here who don’t believe what they write.

Well, I deny the latter. Let’s face it, you’re constitutionally incapable of deception if you’re stupid enough to believe that a man can rise all the way to the office of President of the United States while evading investigations of the FBI and a dozen other acronyms into his supposedly disqualifying and dubious citizenship.

Next you’ll be telling me that Jim Wooten is a raging liberal.

RB from Gwinnett

July 23rd, 2009
7:52 am

Jay, you’ve got to be kidding you hang the lead up to the Iraq war on them and don’t hang the lead up to the last election on them as well. It almost appeared most of them were being paid by the Obama campaign itself.

Got bias?

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
7:54 am

So the writer says both sides have journalists who are guilty – and comments default to who’s the most guilty…

sigh…….

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2009
7:56 am

“and comments default to who’s the most guilty…”

And we all know how to determine who’s most guilty, don’t we? You only count the articles and comments that are FOR whoever you are AGAINST, and ignore the rest and VOILA! BIAS!

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
7:57 am

First, Wooten is a raging liberal. Anyone that talks about the government spending 23 trillion dollars on the bailout can’t be anything else, short of crazy or extremely biased to the point of craziness or something similar.

Second, all hail Jon Stewart. He is the most trusted newsman, and rightfully so.

Mrs. Godzilla

July 23rd, 2009
7:57 am

RB From Gwinnett

Would you do me the honor of meeting me at the end of the previous thread for a chat?

Joey

July 23rd, 2009
7:57 am

“Conor Friedersdorf, a young conservative writer of considerable talent.”

We know he is conservative because???? Jay says so.
We know he has considerable talent because???? Well, he is an easy read and mostly holds my attention. (Be sure when you read his stuff to go include some of his Huffington posts.)

I am not convinced that he is a Conservative. Probably a Moderate, but a Democrat Moderate or a Republican Moderate???????

Kayaker 71

July 23rd, 2009
7:59 am

It is difficult to define many in the present day newspaper business as journalists. Rather is a good example of someone who was trying to find anything to discredit someone he didn’t like in the White House, so he reported on badly biased data that wasn’t true. Same with the NYT article on McCain having an affair with a staffer. When it serves your needs, biased journalists will say about anything…. example being that MSNBC idiot Keith Olbermann. The liberal side has the same opinion of Beck and O’Reilly. What’s the difference?

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2009
8:03 am

A hack on hacks column?

Sometimes one has to just shake their head and travel to the forest.

Later!

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:04 am

off topic

last night I wrote “Uh-oh. He just answered the Prof Gates/Harvard arrest as if all the facts were in. Prof Gates said he showed the cop his ID, cop said he refused and became belligerent. Pres Obama answered as if the Gates story was the only version.
That’ll get some play….”

And so it has. The police officer says nothing to apologize for – Prof Gates refused to identify himself when he responded to the break-in call. Turns out this ‘rogue, racist’ cop gave “a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics superstar’s life…”

Pres Obama cautioned, at the beginning of his answer, that Prof Gates was a friend and that the officer acted stupidly.

Seems Pres Obama needs to view some of his friends with the same level of skepticism with which we need to view journalists.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186567&format=&page=2&listingType=Loc#articleFull

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:07 am

Kayaker 71

Some here pointed out Olbermann’s attacks on the Bush Administration for fabricating fear and ridiculing the arrest of the terrorists planning the attack on Ft Dix.

I don’t recall a retraction when they were convicted.

Now, under the Obama Administration, there’ve been investigations, and, I believe, arrests (?) in the recruitment of US Somalis in the jihadist cause.

Olberman’s rants about a fascist, jackbooted Obama promoting fear? Yeah, right….

jt

July 23rd, 2009
8:18 am

Has Hillery found Obama’s birth certificate yet?

Redneck Convert

July 23rd, 2009
8:19 am

Well, I beleive lots of reporters don’t beleive what they write. They can’tbeleive in alot of that stuff. You can’t set there and tell me any sane reporter beleives that a woman has a right to decide if the baby she’s carrying gets born. Or that it’s OK to have laws that won’t let me refuse to rent to one of Those People. Or it’s OK to let everybody have health care like it’s some kind of right.

And that’s why I beleive libruls know in their heart what they say ain’t true. They just want to rile us up to see how we’ll act. So every librul reporter is a big fake. In their heart they know we’re right. I bet you a dollar to a donut Bookman is about the biggest Conservative you’ll find in these parts. It’s just that he knows the AJC won’t hire alot of Conservatives so he puts on a big act and writes like a librul.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
8:25 am

Jamie Lee Curtis admits painkiller addiction.

Uh-oh, if her husband Arnold Swarzenneger finds out……

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
8:27 am

hehehe:
Sara Palin is really Sacha Baron Cohen!

http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2009/07/23/boll/

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

Finn

That was True Lies. But they made a nice couple -

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

this ‘rogue, racist’ cop

Paul, if you’re going to put words like that in quotes, you’d better have an actual person of prominence actually calling him that. Do you?

Huckabee The Next POTUS

July 23rd, 2009
8:33 am

Wow, obambam is now addressing police matters from small towns. Must be nice to have so much time on his hands that he can put aside the ruining ( oops, I mean running ) of America to weigh in on a criminal matter that has nothing to do with him. Oh yeah, I forgot, it involves a brother being unfairly asked for ID. It must be a racial thing. Guess his Muslim buddy Louie Farrykhan taught him good. Then the idiot follows it up with, If he went back to Chicago and tried to break into his house, he’d get shot. ( His words, not mine ) All I can say obambam is Prove It……………………..Please.

Disgusted

July 23rd, 2009
8:34 am

Prof Gates said he showed the cop his ID, cop said he refused and became belligerent. Pres Obama answered as if the Gates story was the only version.

Ah, yes, the conservative mantra–the cop is always right. Hire a redneck, give him a gun, a badge, and the first authority he’s ever had in his life, and what do you get? A redneck who’s going to show this “uppity black” that you don’t mess around with the police. We choose the least-educated, least-cultured people available–people hoping to rise up all the way to $35,000 per year after a long career–and invest them with power over the citizenry. The same people are assumed to have superior human relations skills, but they usually can’t even write well enough to compose a literate job application letter.

The same thing happens when we hire the least-educated college graduates to teach our children. The better-educated graduates wouldn’t touch the job, and yet we act shocked and dismayed when the pupils of our “teachers” fail to achieve very much.

A single pronouncement goes for the under-achieving cops and teachers as well as their defenders: you can fix ignorance, but you can’t cure stupid.

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
8:35 am

Wow, obambam is now addressing police matters from small towns. Must be nice to have so much time on his hands that he can put aside the ruining ( oops, I mean running ) of America to weigh in on a criminal matter

He was answering a question during a press conference. If you have a beef, it’s with the reporter who felt compelled to make this an issue of national importance.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
8:36 am

“No, I don’t think they have the votes,” Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., said, arguing if that were the case he and the other six Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee who have been holding up the bill in committee would be under far less pressure.

“We’re speaking for a silent majority within the Democratic caucus,” he said. “The American people want us to slow down and they want us to get it right.”

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chair of the Senate Finance Committee, was overheard jokingly telling House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, “let me tell you, praying might be helpful here.”

I am praying.

For you, America.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2009
8:37 am

“The same thing happens when we hire the least-educated college graduates to teach our children.”

Clayton county anyone???

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
8:38 am

The US Government has spent more than $79 billion of taxpayers’ money since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, administration, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~propaganda campaigns~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~, foreign aid, and tax breaks. Most of this spending was unnecessary.-TransWorld News

Most government spending is uncessary, just sayin…..

Kayaker 71

July 23rd, 2009
8:40 am

Paul,

It is common for some to foment anger and indignation about an incident with which they are not fully informed. Bozo has now entered the fray with the Gates fiasco. He doesn’t belong there. Sharpton made an ass out of himself by ranting on and on about the Bramley incident and about the Duke lacrosse team and when each was deemed a non issue, he apologized for nothing. Bozo states that “profiling” is a common practice among police officers. When you go duck hunting, you go where the ducks are. Black males represent 6% of the total population of this country and represent 49% of the male prison population. I would guess that Prof Gates, in his ivory tower, tenured academic status filled professorship has not spent much time in the hood. News flash, Bozo and Gates…. these folk are making you look bad, or don’t you understand this?

Normal

July 23rd, 2009
8:44 am

I am not convinced that he is a Conservative. Probably a Moderate, but a Democrat Moderate or a Republican Moderate???????
————-
Heck, JOEY, If he’s a moderate, he can’t be Republican….

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:44 am

DB, Gwinnettian

It was from the Boston Herald article.

‘Crowley, 42, said he’s not a racist, despite how some have cast his actions in the Gates case. “Those who know me know I’m not,” he said.’

I think Prof Gates is a pretty prominent person.

“Gates, who upon his arrest allegedly bellowed to a gathering crowd on Ware Street, “This is what happens to black men in America!” believes he was targeted by Crowley – whom he called a “rogue” cop – because of his race.”

Disgusted
[[Ah, yes, the conservative mantra–the cop is always right. ]]

Quite a leap at conclusions, eh? If you’ve been here any length of time you know I have a healthy skepticism of defaulting to the police version – based upon my own experience, plus the experiences of a family member (deputy DA) and an acquaintenance (criminal defense attorney).

Can I restate your lead sentence as “ah, yes, the liberal mantra – hear of a police matter where there are conflicting reports and the liberal mantra comes – if it involves race, assume anything not siding with the minority is because of conservative bias.”

The point was presidents generally refrain from giving opinions on pending legal matters, //especially// because they have ultimate pardon authority.

Experience….

Turd Ferguson

July 23rd, 2009
8:45 am

Katie Couric is the worst. What a miserable little troll.

On another note…If that cop had not arrested this oh so intelligent black professor then the professor wouldve railed against for not caring that a possible crook had entered his house.

Kinda reminds me of Cynthia McKinney when she slapped the cop. “Dont you know WHO I AM”.

No apology is needed from the officer.
No apology is needed from this black “professor” to the cop.
Obama should shut up and do his job.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
8:46 am

Jay, if you sit next to Kyle could you smack him upside the head for being an idiot?

I’ll owe you one.

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Disgusted 8:34

[[We choose the least-educated, least-cultured people available–people hoping to rise up all the way to $35,000 per year after a long career–and invest them with power over the citizenry.]]

Around here, local cops start out at over $40k –

BTW – does the ‘least cultured, least educated’ refer to Hispanics? Asians? African Americans? Or only whites? If whites only, are you alleging there’s a conscious effort to seek out and hire white candidates who meet those criteria?

Hey, this falls in line with the topic – left or right, liberal or conservative… bias exists!

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
8:51 am

Turd

Katie’s cute. IMHO. Of course, I turn the volume way down…

Kayaker 71

July 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

Disgusted,

These “uneducated, white rednecks” and the only thing between you and anarchy out there. At least 40% of the police officers nationwide are black. So much for rednecks. You ought to be glad that we have a military and a police force that is sacrificing a lot to protect your sorry a**.

N-GA

July 23rd, 2009
9:00 am

I am certain that I’ve never read anything on this blog more amusing (and hypocritical) than: “Let me guess, cutting and pasting DNC and White House talking point memos is an honorable and distinguished career?”

Of course that quote is from the queen of cutting and pasting……..

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

I would agree, jay….the liberal media is slow. Not to worry, Obama relies on THE BLOGS? He said so in his speech last night.

A boost to your ego, no doubt.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

Katie Couric? I’ll stick with Robin Meade.

I think she talks about the news or something…not really sure.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

Mornin’ all…!

Nosef–you might want to see if you can get that other shoe off so’s you can keep count. :-)
Normal–how’s the grandbaby?
Anybody heard from Bosch yet?

First off, the topic at hand. Thank you, Jay. There’s enough of this kind of “dirt” to go around when it comes to writing for an editorial perspective. It can be done and it can be done with intelligence and dignity. It’s just easier not to. Just because you may not agree with someone on something does not mean the opposing view is automatically wrong or that the argument being put forth is invalid.

Fierce Advocate’s time on teevee last p.m. My opinion, for what it’s worth, was that it was par for the course. He said what he had to say and put on a pretty good show at the same time. When found myself counting the times he said “wanna” and “gonna,” I sorta tuned out.

I do find myself defending him, though, on that question about the Harvard professor. That wasn’t necessary and putting him on the spot there was just trying to stir up a stink. I thought he handled it pretty well, considering. He made it clear from the outset that the man was a friend of his and, if I recall correctly, stated his comments on the matter would be therefor “biased.” A good choice of words for proper perspective. This kind of thing goes on all day long from one end of the country to the other. Just because this one happens to involve a Harvard professor should make it any different? Obviously, it does, and obviously there are those who think that such a “prestige” position should insulate the individual and beg presidential comment. Besides, am I the only one who kept thinking, “Amos and Andrew?”

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:02 am

‘Scoozee…THE BLOGS and TWITTER ERS.

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
9:04 am

“The same thing happens when we hire the least-educated college graduates to teach our children.”

Clayton county anyone???

You might wish to enlighten yourself… or not.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:05 am

Ooooo, glad to see you here josef. Just so you know, although I said you and Normal were “chatty”, I’m not trying to get my point across as –nosef–.

Were I gonna do that, I wouldn’t have told you straight up.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

Disguested;
“The same thing happens when we hire the least-educated college graduates to teach our children. The better-educated graduates wouldn’t touch the job, and yet we act shocked and dismayed when the pupils of our “teachers” fail to achieve very much.”

I’ll put my education up against yours any day of the week, so bring it on!

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
9:07 am

Kayaker,
Defending the military and police in one post and not wanting to pay them (by paying your taxes) in another?

Which is it? You can’t have it both ways.
————————————————–
Kayaker 71

July 22nd, 2009
8:48 am
Gelding,

I don’t want the government “redistributing” any of my money

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
9:07 am

Obama relies on the blogs

Wise move considering the only other trusted news source out there is Jon Stewart and we cannot expect Jon to stay apprised of everything all by himself. He’s a great and trustworthy newsman but he is just one person.

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
9:09 am

G’morning, josef

Nope, nothing from Bosch. The other issue – I think it an appropriate question to duck. The facts are not settled, it’s ‘he said, he said’ and it’s a volatile situation.

But it did make for some interesting comments.

G’morning, N-GA,

@@

Now Pakistan’s unhappy with our offensive ’cause they don’t want to peel troops off their Indian border and won’t be able to handle the influx of Taliban. Talk about differing perspectives.

Then there was our SecState, appearing to accept the idea of Iran with The Bomb?!!? Time for the Pres to define “unacceptable” a bit more clearly.

Now, that wouldv’e been a better question at the end of the news conference than what we got… I do wonder, though, if that reporter was just trying to stir things up… or if that’s what counts as a pressing matter worthy of a prime-time press conference.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:09 am

OOPS!

make that DISGUSTED! “…and a haughty spirit before a fall…” :-)

N-GA

July 23rd, 2009
9:10 am

Normal

July 23rd, 2009
9:11 am

Good Morning, Josef…Granddaughter is out of the woods, her fever is gone and her kidneys are working on their own now. Scheduled to leave the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning. I feel good. Also my Mom is responding incredibly well to her meds too…life is good for Normal.
BTW…I’m jealous about Babylon 5…watched it all the time.

Shawny

July 23rd, 2009
9:11 am

Speaking of the truth, you will not get what the Prez said you would get last night in his hour long commercial for socialized medicine.
Here is a great piece on the myths of that joke:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/23/health_care_mythology_97552.html

The one I see as the biggest lie, and you can bank on it if it comes to pass, is how private insurance can coexist with govt insurance. Take the post office in competition with the other big delivery companies. Post office does not pay federal taxes. Post office is not accountable to OSHA. Post office is not accountable to shareholders in that they have to turn a profit. Speaking of profit, the post office can make the cost of letters too high and take those profits and cross subsidize their package business by making it cheaper than it should be otherwise. Unfair competition from your govt. Think healthcare will be any different? If so, you are naive.

Turd Ferguson

July 23rd, 2009
9:12 am

Obama’s “calling out” the cop was no more than Presidential playing of the race card. What Shameful behavior.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:13 am

@@–thanks, but I never thought it was you! Chatty? Can’t deny it! Don’t have an off switch!

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
9:13 am

American health care: the view from expatriate who came home

I’ll never forget feeling anxious about how I would survive the “socialized” medicine against which I had been repeatedly warned. What I discovered instead was an absence of the anxieties that American families continue to endure 20 years later: worries over losing coverage or being able to afford quality care when it’s urgent.

These nagging dreads were simply nonexistent among the people with whom I was now living and serving. Of course they had concerns about health, but they were of an entirely different order.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/07/american_health_care_the_view.html

N-GA

July 23rd, 2009
9:14 am

Good morning, Paul. I just dropped in before getting into a web conference call.

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
9:16 am

…since the devastation of World War II, the British (and the rest of Europe) became convinced that health care belonged alongside education as an intrinsic quality of life in a democratic society. It had become a fundamental obligation of any government that serves and protects its people, to be supported and protected along with education, law enforcement, fire departments and national defense.

From same post

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
9:18 am

N-GA 9:02

And for those who do graduate, who aren’t on a college track: just what are they trained and qualified to do to earn a living?

Seems the chances for success go down dramatically: population entering high school… population graduating… population not going to college… population with skills and training to take care of themselves and a future family…

Normal

That’s great news. Thanks for the update -

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
9:19 am

N-GA

From traveling to a site to dedicated videoconferencing facilities to web conferencing.

In how many years? Amazing -

Scooter

July 23rd, 2009
9:20 am

josef,good morning to you! Something told me we would be hearing from you on the education thing.

AH

July 23rd, 2009
9:20 am

Of course Obama is right the police acted stupidly…….

On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. – -, of Ware Street, Cambridge, MA) was placed under arrest at Ware Street, after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress. These actions on the behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.

…When I arrived at Ware Street I radioed ECC and asked that they have the caller meet me at the front door to this residence. I was told that the caller was already outside. As I was getting this information, I climbed the porch stairs toward the front door. As [reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified {} who was standing on the sidewalk in front of the residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand arid told me that it was she who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of• Ware Street. She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry. Since I was the only police officer on location and had my back to the front door as I spoke with her, I asked that she wait for other responding officers while I investigated further.

As I turned and faced the door, I could see an older black male standing in the foyer of {} Ware Street. I made this observation through the glass paned front door. As I stood in plain view of this man, later identified as Gates, I asked if he would step out onto the porch and speak with me. He replied “no I will not”. He then demanded to know who I was. I told him that I was “Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police” and that I was “investigating a report of a break in progress” at the residence. While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed “why, because I’m a black man in America?”. I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen’s call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke. Gates seemed to ignore me and picked up a cordless telephone and dialed an unknown telephone number. As he did so, I radioed on channel I that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative. I then overheard Gates asking the person on the other end of his telephone call to “get the chief’ and “whats the chiefs name?’. Gates was telling the person on the other end of the call that he was dealing with a racist police officer in his home. Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was “messing” with and that I had not heard the last of it. While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me. I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.

With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racist police officer and leveling threats that he wasn’t someone to mess with. At some point during this exchange, I became aware that Off. Carlos Figueroa was standing behind me. When Gates asked a third time for my name, I explained to him that I had provided it at his request two separate times. Gates continued to yell at me. I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.

As I began walking through the foyer toward the front door, I could hear Gates agai,n demanding my name. I again told Gates that I would speak with him outside. My reason for wanting to leave the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units. His reply was “ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside”. When I left the residence, I noted that there were several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence. Additionally, the caller, md at least seven unidentified passers-by were looking in the direction of Gates, who had followed me outside of the residence.

As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’s outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest. I then stepped up the stairs, onto the porch and attempted to place handcuffs on Gates. Gates initially resisted my attempt to handcuff him, yelling that he was “disabled” and would fall without his cane. After the handcuffs were property applied, Gates complained that they were too tight. I ordered Off. Ivey, who was among the responding officers, to handcuff Gates with his arms in front of him for his comfort while I secured a cane for Gates from within the residence. I then asked Gates if he would like an officer to take possession of his house key and secure his front door, which he left wide open. Gates told me that the door was un securable due to a previous break attempt at the residence. Shortly thereafter, a Harvard University maintenance person arrived on scene and appeared familiar with Gates. I asked Gates if he was comfortable with this Harvard University maintenance person securing his residence. He told me that he was.

MaJo

July 23rd, 2009
9:20 am

I feel the same way about your silence in the run-up to the health care “reform.” They are trying to cram through legislation that is over 1000 pages long as quickly as they can, without full debate, and you seem to have no problem with that. Once we all see the consequences of this hasty legislation, you will wonder why you stood by silently. Whether you disagree with the need for reform or not, this is something that should be debated completely before passage.

mm

July 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

Wow, after Obama has been in office 6 months, the NBC News with Brian Williams finally addressed the birther issue last night. The segment started off with the clip of the crazy woman at the congressman’s townhall meeting. They then proceeded to show Obama’s real birth certificate AND a copy of the local newspaper announcing his birth. Brian Williams stomped all over the birthers.

Hey wingnuts, instead of having TEA parties, you should have SEA parties (Stupid Enough Already).

DB, Gwinnettian

July 23rd, 2009
9:30 am

I think Prof Gates is a pretty prominent person.

Yes, but he did not actually use both of those terms and name-call the officer in such a manner. One of the terms, yes. But not the other, much more inflammatory one.

And while I’ll set aside assuming the worst of you for lumping them together in quote marks like that because I know you’re better than that, I hope you’ll understand why I very much want no gasoline be poured on this fire and am being such a PitA stickler about this!

Question

July 23rd, 2009
9:30 am

How is this for “change” (and influence) — what’s wrong with this picture??

“In all of CBO’s 35 years, this is the first time a CBO director has ever been called into the White House to meet with a president in this way.”

Eddy

July 23rd, 2009
9:33 am

Now that we have some insight into the details of Obamacare from last night’s speech….oh, there were none! Very smooth, very glib, the nonsense easily rolls off of his tongue. I almost bought a used car from him!! And then he closes by pouring more fuel on the fire for his bud, Skip. Skip’s arrogance, ego and mouth caused all of his esteemed, highly intellectual synapses to misfire. Can’t wait for the lawsuit. After all of his intellectual prowess, he uses the age old canard…racism… where non exists.

RB from Gwinnett

July 23rd, 2009
9:37 am

G, no backpedeling on the “celebrate” comment from me. If you go back and read my posts, you’ll see they say “almost” celebrate anyway, but I stand by what I posted. I honestly don’t know how you can live with yourself knowing more dead soldiers benefitted your party and cause and you posted the numbers to support it.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:38 am

Paul:

I watch the exchanges between Pakistan and India’s media. Not saying that the threat isn’t real, but I can’t help but wonder how much of it is promoted through political channels. One day they’re praising each other’s effort, the next day, they’re critical.

I was also watching Hillary on Greta the other night hoping that she’d talk more about her “talks” with India — not too much divulged. North Korea was the preferred topic. The disadvantage we have there is that they’re such a closed-off society. They, on the other hand, watch everything we do through our media.

Hillary’s “Kinsey gaffe”? In Washington it’s what’s known as telling the truth by accident. That’s why I luv Joe.

There was another article (can’t remember where) about the mutual admiration and close working relationship between Pakistan’s, Gen. Kayani and our Admiral Mullen.

As for Lynn Sweet’s closing question? She’s from Chicago. Some of her stuff has served as expose’ while the rest has offered praise when due. The question was not up to her usual professionalism.

@@

July 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

My “Kins” need an “l”.

Geez.

Trust me

July 23rd, 2009
9:42 am

DC

July 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

“Report puts state among worst in the country for high school graduation” Georgia still the backyard of ultra conservative unbending values.

getalife

July 23rd, 2009
9:55 am

A hack here, a hack there, a hack everywhere.

You know it is bad when Jon Stewert was voted most trusted journalist.

Americans should form their own opinions and not let hacks form them .

Intellectual laziness.

Mrs. Godzilla

July 23rd, 2009
9:56 am

RB

backpedal indeed you did……

josef nix

July 23rd, 2009
9:56 am

DC

“Report puts state among worst in the country for high school graduation” Georgia still the backyard of ultra conservative unbending values.

Nevada and New Mexico are also there at rock bottom.

booger

July 23rd, 2009
9:57 am

Finn,

I worked in England for three years. I paid a 10% tax for national health care as did all wage earners, not just the rich. Neither I nor anyone I knew used the national health plan. They paid for private health care. My company, as many others, offered private health insurance. The reason for their willingness to pay for private health care was simple. The national program stunk!

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
9:57 am

9:20

[[I then asked Gates if he would like an officer to take possession of his house key and secure his front door, which he left wide open. Gates told me that the door was un securable due to a previous break attempt at the residence.]]

Priceless…

DB, Gwinnettian 9:30

Prof Gates apparently referred to Officer Crowley as a ‘rogue’ cop. He also apparently asserted Officer Crowley targeted him because of his race.

I think, if I’m reading this right, that there’s a difference between calling the person a ‘racist’ and saying a person targets people because of race is a bit of a distinction without much distinction.

What really struck me in all this was how fast everything escalated – not just escalated, but launched into space. I always taught my kids – you get stopped by a cop, cooperate. Think what you will, say what you want to after, but cooperate. If it’s night and you’re in a car, turn on the lights. Roll down the windows. Use ’sir’ or ‘ma’am.’ They have guns, they might be nervous and they can arrest you. If there’s unprofessional conduct, address it later.

Having said that, I live in a community where, if you substitute “teen” or “teen driver” for “African American” you have the situation Prof Gates described. Same tune, different lyrics.

But I’m ready for other things. I’ll be in and out all day – getting ready for my father-in-law’s 90th birthday party. Here. My wife’s hosting. 15 adult relatives. 15 rugrats and kids.

Pray for me….. please….

Question 9:30

I understand a prime motivation for calling the CBO Director over was to ask him, from his perspective, what options were available to not ask cost growth. Director Elmendorf’s been specific – tax the excess portion of health care policies. Pres Obama’s rejected this. Too many unions to contend with, it would seem.

But such a meeting could’ve been handled, with less controversy, by Rahm.

Kayaker 71

July 23rd, 2009
9:57 am

Bozo, with his fancy Harvard education, should know that people do not comment on incidents which might be litigated. He is pushing an “us and them” scenario which is not good for the electorate. Not to mention loosing all of the police officer votes in the nation. What did he call the arresting officer, “stupid”? I might say that if the shoe fits, wear it.

Paul

July 23rd, 2009
9:59 am

@@

I was hoping for that when Gen Kayani took over -

Finn McCool

July 23rd, 2009
9:59 am

Shawny @9:11am,
Interesting health care post by a guy who runs hedge funds.

His solution to the fact that you could buy drugs in Canada far cheaper than you could here is that we should shut up and take it like a man. Very good advice.

Bosch

July 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Ya’ know? I forgot how good green Jello is. I think I’ve eaten 12 of those little cartons this morning. It ain’t cheesy shrimp grits, but it’ll do today, I guess.

I’m constantly amazed at the folks who day after day after day come to Jay’s blog simply to criticize him, I guess it makes them feel bigger or something. Who knows why they do it, but I’m glad they do – it gives me something to do in the down time.

Mrs. Godzilla

July 23rd, 2009
10:05 am

In fact…

RB from Gwinnett

your deeply moving and flowery apology would make your momma proud.

i could tell from what you wrote that you were deeply distraught over having said something so cruel.

and no RB from Gwinnett, there is no need to send flowers and candy.

i could also tell from what you wrote, that you really are coming around
to seeing the truth.

i believe that every word you post now is a celebration of the loss of the 22,000 american human beings last year who did not have healthcare.

i believe deep in your heart you celebrate putting battery cables on
body parts, chemicals in our water and the rape of small children.

i have this telepathy thing that makes me sure you celebrate tsunamis,
earthquakes and all acts of nature that kill and maim folks.

you are just a party guy I guess…all that celebrating and all.

that

booger

July 23rd, 2009
10:05 am

I was pleased to see a little bit of truth telling in the AJC this morning. Kyle’s article on healthcare exposed the big Lie in the plan currently in congress. This program is designed to put private health insurance out of business. No Private insurance company can accept new people to their plan after the national option is introduced. Obama is complicit in this lie. When he says you can keep your current plan, he means only that plan. If you change jobs, you cannot join the plan of the new company, you must go with the national plan

Kamchak

July 23rd, 2009
10:05 am

Off topic:

Bosch—-game last night was great. The wrong team won though.

Mrs. Godzilla

July 23rd, 2009
10:06 am

RB….

oops! did i say that?

watch while I backpedal….

hryder

July 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

B.S., M.S., and Ph.D . Very analogus to all but a few of preceding comments.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

Katie’s cute. IMHO.

Oh come on, Pual, tell me you have better tastes than that.

“She” is just another fatbody big mouth liberal blowhard socialist, I have no doubt she weighs four hundred pounds by now but you would never know because all of the air brushing, distortion and camera angle stunts that the SEE BS crews have to struggle through.

eewwww

Joey

July 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

Normal (8:44): Some Republicans will call me a Moderate or worse, but all the Democrats I know call me Conservative.

I wonder:
What label is correctly applied to the Democrats who oppose the Healthcare Bill(s)? The Cap and Trade Bill?

Turd Ferguson

July 23rd, 2009
10:13 am

AH

July 23rd, 2009
9:20 am
Of course Obama is right the police acted stupidly…….

On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. – -, of Ware Street, Cambridge, MA) was placed under arrest at Ware

HA!! I knew it. Then Stupid Obama chiming in with his comments and playing the race card. Such an eloquent deceiveer this guy is. This so called professor sounds like a first class basturd.

All we need now is for the VP, Mr Foot n Mouth, to come out of left field with another jewel. The comedy team of Obama and Biden soon to be having their own HBO special…LMAO!!

USinUK

July 23rd, 2009
10:13 am

green jello???? blech. if you must do jello, then strawbaby or cherry … but green is just nasty.