This birther nonsense becoming a big problem for the GOP

Annoying they are but really, there are nutjobs on the left, and as this proves, nutjobs on the right.

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The part that really confuses me is that this should be a no brainer – Show the long form birth certificate and not the Certification of Live Birth that the President has presented.

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An excellent example of the paranoia, narrow mindedness and brain damage inflicted on right wingers by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram and the like.

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copyleft, in the interest of fairness didn’t the half black, half white guy win?

BTW mighty narrow minded of you to think the only reason anyone would not approve of our President is the color of his skin, or that our president would want to be known as the “black guy”

And your trying to say others are nuts, fine but it seems like you view the world through racist lenses.

Lighten up everyone does not equate things in race.

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The craziest debate ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Ru7dnfSjI&feature=player_embedded

Hilarious.

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First show us proof that W wasn’t a newt.

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PAUL–and mine has the egg man!

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My father was in the service and we moved around a lot. My parents lost my original certificate of live birth a long time ago during one of our moves. I also have an original copy of the short form. That make me less of an American? According to many of these idiots on the right-wing, yes. Ask them to show you the law that states that the short firm isn’t enough? There isn’t any. These people are full of you know what.

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Good point Salzberger and I would imagine their is some truth to the education/democrat thing. Just seems the more educated one becomes the less that common sense enters into an equation. Suddenly all these far out ideas from the bleeding hearts become an “anything is possible” type scenrio ie, Al Goron and global warming, global cooling, oh wait, its now global climate change so any change might be termed as dour.

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I’ve never been to a Brownshirt meeting in the ’30s, but SURELY it must resemble that video. Now they just have to wait for nightfall . . .

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TF,

You’ve got a point. They really should make any serious birthers sit down and watch a montage of Biden in action.

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Can the Economy Recover?

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Since it’s Republicans having to answer the call for proof, I’d say what you’re seeing are people exhibiting a skepticism towards ALL politicians. Nuthin’ wrong with that in my opinion.

Solutions don’t always have to be complicated.

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Hey GOP: you reap what you sow! You cultivated the nuts. You get to keep them.

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Buzz Aldrin shows how to handle a mooner. Maybe Obama should just handle it this way.

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Mike –

“If the GOP is to be held accountable for “birthers, then the Dems can be held accountable for the “truthers”. Which group do you think is wackier?”

um. how many Dem rallies have you seen hijacked like the video shows above? and how many leading Dem blogs have been hijacked by the issue.

the 9/11ers really are fringe … the Dems know how to deal with them – deny their oxygen

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When I adopted my daughters, South Carolina changed their birth certificates to show that I was their natural father. So this is really easy to fix, I’ll adopt President Obama, then they can put my name in as his natural father…problem solved.

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Biden? He’s off to the Ukraine and Georgia. Just what DID go on behind closed doors in Fierce Advocate’s trip to Russia that it’s necessary to send Copy Me off to pay attention there?

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That was even more awkward than the John McCain town hall meeting where the crackpot old lady stood up and claimed that Barack Obama is a muslim. At least the McCain handlers were able to contain that situation.

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Zooks, pink elephants on parade!

“First show us proof that W wasn’t a newt.”

THE best line of the day.

“Where’d she get a birth certificate with a seal on it? Mine has a walrus, way more cool – ”

THE second best line of the day!

“PAUL–and mine has the egg man!”

And show pays 6 to 1!

Angry and bigoted losers, the hideous face of the imploding GOP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944cPciN-kw

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More misquotes and maligning from Salzberger…lol.

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Remember when President Obama “poked” at Rush what’s his name?
It highlighted ditto head foolishness to the advantage of the President.

I suspect, The President allows the half baked birther nonsense to continue to percolate for one reason…..it makes the right look
really really bad. Again advantage Mr. President.

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Am Vet–thought you’d like those two!

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I always refrain from calling anyone an “idiot” or from using other derogatory terms on the blogs and comment pages. But this issue sorely tests my limits. Do these people not know that a certified birth certificate from the State of Hawaii was produced during the campaign last year to put to rest these wild allegations? Will they not believe it until each person has a chance to hold it and examine it personally? Do they not know that the Honolulu newspaper archives hold birth announcements showing the birth of a baby boy to Barack Obama’s parents in Hawaii? Do they not know that attending medical staff have recollected his birth?

Continuing to say “there’s no evidence” when presented with the evidence is – if not stupidity – then lunacy. And the lunacy among conservatives these days seems to be very widespread.

“Hiding his birth certificate”, RB??? What are you talking about? Obama has not gone through much effort to hide something that was made public last year. Maybe you should “go to the effort” of getting the facts instead of just going along with the angry yammering mob that your party is becoming. You can help your party bring a little common sense to the table by manning up and saying, “OK, time to move on with some real issues.”

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Gelding: it’s not “proof” they want. What they want their birthright of a “white christian nation” headed by an old white guy. Even if you showed them personally the “proof” they would claim it was fake in order to keep their hopes alive.

Let’s hope they don’t pass their madness onto their kids.

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Actually that woman reminds me of book-burner in the Field of Dreams town hall scene:

Annie Kinsella: Terence Mann was a voice of reason during a time of great madness. He coined the phrase, “Make love, not war”. Where others were chanting, “Burn, baby burn”, he talked about love, and peace and understanding. I cherished every one of his books, and I dearly wish he had written some more. And I think that if you had experienced even a little bit of the Sixties, you might feel the same way too.

Pro-censorship woman: I experienced the Sixties.

Annie Kinsella: No, I think you had two ’50’s and moved right on to the ’70’s.

And she is now probably a cult hero among our less enlightened contributors here. who also were Republicans back then..

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ByteMe @ 11:06 – What they want their birthright of a “white christian nation” headed by an old white guy.

That’s much too, too true. It’s obvious that the Grumpy Old Palefaces won’t be happy until another Grumpy Old Paleface is POTUS of this “white Christian nation”.

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I think Obama lets this issue play on to show America how crazy the wingers are. The economy is still hurting and healthcare needs reform.

But the wingers go after the shiny objects:

Birth certificates, past associates, teleprompters, date night, foreign travel, flagpins, blah, blah, blah.

America’s not buying it anymore, morons.

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G-cubed …

honey, you said a mouthful.

I think the most telling part of that video is that woman ranting that she wants her country back … um, darlin’, what part of your country? the one where it’s led by a middle aged white guy???

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Chris writes: Hey Steve, I don’t have a Certificate of Live Birth either.

Chris, there should be a group of men knocking on your door right about now…

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ByteMe

July 21st, 2009
11:06 am

You’re probably right. Let’s hope they don’t have any children.

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mm writes: But the wingers go after the shiny objects

My side hurts from laughing at that!

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This lunacy would cease if some top republicans would speak out. But then they would lose the remaining 20 percent of their voters. The GOP is toast. Funny how they think we’re turning against Obama.

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This little ditty is dedacated to all you birthers out there, brought to you for your lunch time enjoyment by “Everybody Wants To Be Normal”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOwDXNJbZK0 – 126k

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Vandy Girl,

Don’t you love how that evil leftwing media is protecting Obama?

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The “I think” was a qualifier thereby qualifying that my statement, being a passage from the Bible, may or may not be correct hence…I think.

Nice try though…butt dont do away mad. As a consulation prize you win a years supply of TurtleWax. Congratulations and thanks for playing…NEXT!

Rest easy in your liberal life of denial and blame.

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“And the only thing RB has is… nothing.”

seriously. I don’t have a “long form” (whatever that is) … all I’ve got is the certified short form that states that my parents are my parents (which they’re not – I was adopted, they were not my birth parents) …

… and yet …

that form was good enough for me to get a passport

it was good enough for me to get a drivers license

it was good enough for me to get a marriage certificate

for 43 years, that form has served as a legal form of ID …

and now these idiots on parade say “nooooooo, we need the super-duper-double-secret-probation-long-form before we’ll accept any dusky-hued man as our president”

oh, yeah, we’re in a “post racial” society

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I hope it is true then Hillary is President.

She will not cover up gop crimes after they impeached her husband.

Just sayin.

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EXPAT: Barry is hiding something! Why not show it? He’s hidin’ something. “There’s an African-American is in the Woodshed” as my mother used to say… just sayin’!

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“The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.”–President Obama.

Does anyone think that’s really the best sales pitch?

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Vandy, I must say that 11:20 is by far the happiest I have EVER seen you here! (Well since your return from Bookman’s Land of blogging Nod on the East of Eden.)

Take flight, hopeful conned!

Only sixteen more months until your next electoral humiliation…

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“Republican patriotism IS false patriotism”

Yet another liberal questioning somebody else’s patriotism.

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You’re right, byte, I don’t trust Obama on this issue and I don’t have anything more than what everyone else has.

Several of you have raised valid issues; lost original birth certificates, adoption, etc., but you all know that’s not what this discussion is about. Obama has never said he lost his birth certificate, the hospital lost my records and here’s the only copy I have, I was adopted and was actually the son of KKK Byrd and his maid, nothing. He just keeps hiding whatever document it is he has. If there is ANY valid reason why he should not show it to someone who can end this discussion forever, please do share it. BTW, I would be more than satisfied if he did that and was legitimate. I just don’t understand why anyone would hide something so simple if they had nothing to hide.

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“Yeah, these “Birthers” are in the same category of those idiots who deny that the moon landings ever happened. Narrow minded paranoia is pretty common among the uneducated and uninformed. Isn’t there a statistic that says that the more educated you are, the more likely you are a democrat or vote democrat???”

Well how do you explain all of the “truther” Democrats?

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I dont need nor want Obama’s help.

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Finn, that’s you so what is Tuesday!

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Jay;
Yes, the birther issue is non-sense, but you could not be more wrong about this issue harming the GOP. I understand that you would like it to be harmful to Republicans. And certainly you are doing your part. Trying so hard to bring harm to the Party.

I really hope you are receiving your creds from the Democrats for your efforts. You are really working hard to bring to this blog any thing that possibly could be construed as harming the GOP. It would be a shame for this effort to go un-noticed by your Party.

At-A-Boy!

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Republicans are only hurting themselves with this nonsense. There are literally a THOUSAND valid criticisms of Obama- this just isn’t one of them.

Advice to “birthers” from an independent who doesn’t care for either party- get real, grow up, and loosen that tin-foil hat a little.

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It’s the Constitution! ~~ Don’t you people care about rule of law and our constitution???? Seriously, if Obroma was a conservative or Republican, you all would be demanding his ouster. You lefties are the seriously disturbed in society, and you don’t even see it.

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Barry is POTUS cuz too many people think with thier hearts and not thier minds. Any Idiot could see he makes promises in the dark.

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my point was that if this would have been a record month for fatalities in Iraq, it would’ve been banner headline time, not a subpoint.

I’d kinda like a like:like example rather than recalled-from-memory observations. My recollection is that the harsher-sounding headlines about Iraq casualties were seen well after the fall of Baghdad; it was newsworthy because it was unexpected; the mission had been accomplished and peace and democracy were supposed to spread.

I don’t think anyone’s terribly surprised that a major military offensive has produced fatalities. Also believe that at month’s end, you’ll see an accounting of the human toll, as well we should see it.

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Public option is a good idea but you can’t trust the corrupt Congress.

Dennis Kuchinich’s amendment for States can use single payer is the best option but it will fail.

Ga. fiscal con (bs) Senator’s are fighting for the F-22’s on the Senate floor the Pentagon does not want.

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FInn

the 9/11 truthers…..the “it was an inside job” guys….

liberal talks show hosts toss them of the phone regularly

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I got moderated!

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what is a “truther”?

Finn, seriously? google MIHOP and LIHOP.

in a nutshell, you have the crazier MIHOP (Made It Happen on Purpose) guys who think the WTC was either a controlled demolition and the Pentagon was a cruise missle; and the somewhat less-crazy LIHOP (Let it Happen on Purpose) folk think Team Bush, or some cabal, were well aware that OBL and crew were planning the attack but let it happen because of the opportunities to suppress civil liberties and secure power.

Neither side gets much support from mainstream left wing blogs; MIHOPpers, who are the more authentic analog to the Birthers, are generally shunned, as well they should be.

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Is this moderated too?

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Forget about birth certificates, I wanna see a high school diploma from any of these conspiracy theory crazies. Especially Tuesday girl. Vandy, my ar$e!!

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They kill one of ours, we kill 100 of thiers. War is won by the ruthless, not the civilized.

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All this phoney “patriotism” is just that! Like “heroes” and “warriors”
and the like. (Note the masses drooling over the useless geek in Afghan who wandered away from his encampment. Saws he is “scared” and “afraid.” What an example of honor, duty, country, bravery, et al.)
The usual Republiscum patriotic ploy and emotional appeal to the uninformed rancid masses. And it works!! Duh. “Yup! les git thum Plege Leegunce laws workin, Lamer Jean! Weel be better n stronger 4 hit! God Bluss Murcuh!! Rat, Elwood??” “Yup – rat chew r!!” You go, patriots! Serve some more tours of duty!

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Obama has access to nuclear weapons. He can make an order at anytime and have them fired off within minutes. He can even have them explode on Washington DC if he wanted to. There is nothing in place to stop that from happening. Since we don’t know who this Obama guy (i.e. none of this records have been released) shouldn’t we error on the side of caution here?

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Well, I don’t care if this Obama shows a 10-page birth certificate and has 10 Baptist preachers swearing on the Bible he was born in the U.S. of A. I’m just like alot of the people here. I ain’t never going to accept one of Those People as my president. It just didn’t happen and you can’t make me beleive it did. If he ain’t White, he ain’t Right.

And that’s all I got to say about that. Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Obozo cannot answer the simple question so instead he sends out his minions and hacks to demonize and hiss at the woman patriot.

What a great country we live in.

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hi,
i am nosef jix. i have alot to say. infact, i need to to say it all day long including every third post. even though none of it is very interesting.

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sometimes three.

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I Report You Whine

July 21st, 2009
12:21 pm

Yes, we do live in a great country. But not the greatest in history. That woman is another reason I would never wnt to serve in Congress.

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You ever think that maybe, just maybe, President Obama has more pressing matters at hand than satisfying the demands of a bunch of mouth-breathers who think he’s a foreigner?

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DB, Gwinnettian 11:51

[[’d kinda like a like:like example rather than recalled-from-memory observations. My recollection is that the harsher-sounding headlines about Iraq casualties were seen well after the fall of Baghdad; it was newsworthy because it was unexpected; the mission had been accomplished and peace and democracy were supposed to spread.]]

US deaths hit their highs several years after the fall of Baghdad. The drumbeat of reporting was constant. Just review the headlines of the wire services, not to mention the papers or the tv news reporting.

Question to other readers: does anyone here recall that when US deaths in Iraq hit all-time highs, was it a footnote or a major story? Would a death toll the highest in years have been relegated to a footnote?

[[I don’t think anyone’s terribly surprised that a major military offensive has produced fatalities. Also believe that at month’s end, you’ll see an accounting of the human toll, as well we should see it.]]

Again, we had offensives in Iraq. Was that used as a mitigating factor, then? We sure didn’t have to wait until the end of the month for an accounting! Heck, we even had people here posting the results every day!

I do not know for sure what your position was, at the time, on the Iraq war, so this isn’t directed at you:

I’m amazed that the people who protested the death rate so loudly during Iraq are so… apathetic? silent? on the topic when the deaths occur under Pres Obama in Afghanistan.

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Taze her Bro

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Hey Bosch

“nobody gets that book”

No kidding…..

sigh….

josef nix

I have a three! Do I have four? Four???

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Well, Back from lunch…is EVERYBODY H-A-P-P-Y???

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A Democrat being honest about his bigotry.
If you do not have a High School Diploma, you are not worthy of being on the this blog.

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Paul, you realize Iraq and Afghanistan are two different countries, right? You realize one could support the war in A-stan (seeing as they harbored Bin Laden- the guy responsible for 9/11) and not the war in Iraq (country that was no threat to us and wouldn’t sell us oil), right?

It IS telling, however, that less people are protesting the war in Iraq under Obama. That IS a valid criticism and I think it shows that a lot of the protesters were just anti-Bush.

But the fact that the media and the people don’t give the justified war in A-Stan the same treatment as the unjustified fiasco in Iraq doesn’t prove anything to me.

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El Jefe, how much has he spent? You should know that since you know he spent so much hiding his past.

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“I’m amazed that the people who protested the death rate so loudly during Iraq are so… apathetic? silent? on the topic when the deaths occur under Pres Obama in Afghanistan.”

I’m not.

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RB from Gwinnett; So, once again, you’re simply lying and refusing to provide any evidence to back up your claims because you know there isn’t any. What a surprise!

Gandalf: No, a billion people THINK they get that book. And, like you, they’re 100% wrong.

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“Bosch over 1 billion living people get that book. Too tough for ya pal?”

Not enough pictures I guess?….

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Oh, the loonies and their tin foil hats. If McCain and the RNC who did have a dog in the hunt didn’t go to court regarding this “birther” nonsense, there is no issue. We need more padded cells for these idiots.

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PAUL–four!

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Saxby loses the F-22 vote.

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The GOP beleives in committing political suicide quickly, don’t they?

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Does anybody really believe that luckovich did his why? cartoon the day that the 2,000 soldier died or did he have it in the works just waiting for the names to roll in so he could finish it?

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Gandalf, the White! (SLEEK BOOTY)

July 21st, 2009
12:39 pm
Bosch over 1 billion living people get that book. Too tough for ya pal?
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I don’t know Gandie baby, it’s too tough for me. The History Channel says it’s full of codes predicting the future! doomsday! Lions! Tigers! and Bears! If it does all that and millions of people “get” it, why are they still scr+wing up?
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They are poor little sheep easily led astray. Follow in line like a good little sheep. Do what your shepherd, Rush, tells you to do.

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Copy, one last time for you and DB the thick headed…

I will not waste my time looking at blog postings from the left wing nut cases on here 1-2 years ago to prove my memory of them posting “record death” headlines on here and blaming it all on Bush. If you want to spend your time looking, you’re welcome to. Or ask Jay to. Either way, I don’t care. They know they posted it, I know they posted it, and I suspect you do as well. But now you want to sit back and tell everybody if I can’t prove it it didn’t happen?? You really are pathetic.

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getalife 12:48

Thanks for reporting good news!

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Soothsayer

July 21st, 2009
12:45 pm
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They’ve already started “it’s Georgia Techs fault” spin…

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I Report You Whine July 21st, 2009 12:21 pm SAID: Obozo cannot answer the simple question so instead he sends out his minions and hacks to demonize and hiss at the woman patriot.

CHRIS SAYS: You talking about Palin and the secessionist First Dude, Todd???? I guess when you join a party who’s official mandate is state secession, then you ARE a true American Patriot!!!!Go figure!

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The next thing you know the Republicans will be controlled by those who believe the world is flat, the was created in 6 days (even though the sun wasn’t around on day 1 and that’s how we determine the length of a day), the earth is only 6000 years old, Harry Potter is Jewish & the anti-Christ (well either him or Obama), etc.

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Yes Greg…I too thought about that. Then again Obama doesnt really know sh*t from shinola so the King, as it were, should be satisfying his subjects.

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We didn’t squash Al-Qaeda or the Taliban in Afghanistan. That’s why we’ve got this major offensive going on- the theatre was basically ignored and undermanned for years while we dicked around in Iraq, and the Taliban restructured and retook power.

As for Iraq and oil, I don’t think it was ALL about oil, but the facts are hard to deny: Before the war, Iraq forbade American oil companies from doing business and in fact sold most of its leases to China. Right now, Iraq is in the top 5 countries we import oil from and American and British oil companies have the leases.
And please don’t give me the standard defense of “well where is the oil then? why are gas prices so high?” First of all, gas and oil are two separate commodities. This theory also rides on the FALSE assumption that the government gives a half-crap about you or what you pay for gas. Their allegiance is to the super-corporations that bribe them and will pay them $250,000 a pop to give “speeches” to their executives after they leave office.

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mini mi-mi

July 21st, 2009
12:54 pm
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Somewhere in Second Peter, when asked when will Christ return,
he said “to G-d, a day is like a thousand years”. Now my question would be if it’s true for the end of time, why wouldn’t it be true for the beginning? What I’m saying is they just don’t get it.

an aside, on the fouth day, G-d said let there be light. “Now duty electrician, lay to the quarterdeck”…

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Obozo likes fatbody women, ew!-

Critics Slam Overweight Surgeon General Pick, Regina Benjamin, Leading Experts Say Dr. Benjamin, Though Stellar Nominee, Gives Wrong Message

And ugly too!

She does look better than Idi Amin, though, just sayin….

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The stats say there are 2.1 billion christians.

If I could just get each of them to send me 1 US dollar, God said he will spare my life.

Now, my gentle flock, I must appease to your kinder nature so that I might be able to continue serving you and the Lord. Just send your check (and yes, it can be for more than $1 if you so choose) to the address below:

Finn mcCool
McCools Trailer Park
2nd on the Right
Rome, GA

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I Report You Whine July 21st, 2009 1:02 pm SAID: Obozo likes fatbody women, ew!-

Critics Slam Overweight Surgeon General Pick, Regina Benjamin, Leading Experts Say Dr. Benjamin, Though Stellar Nominee, Gives Wrong Message And ugly too!
She does look better than Idi Amin, though, just sayin….

CHRIS SAYS: That’s a pretty nasty and racist thing to say. Isn’t it time for Bookman to ban your sorry ass again?

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but the tally was brought forth daily to support the left’s anti-war movement. Would you accept the word “exploit”.

By some? Sure! You’re going to get bozos and jerks in any movement, including the anti-war left.

RB was posting as if my support of such bozo-osity was something that was so forthright, it was still ringing in his ears, and if that were the case he’d surely have cites at the ready.

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RB,

You really have backed yourself into a corner with this one.

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Plus she graduated from the diploma mill that is Morehouse…LOL.

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You see folks, we could only bitch and moan about the war while Bush was in office knowing full well he had no plans (no concept…the thought never even entered his mind) of ever leaving.

We won the election and our Kenyan (hehehe, rub yer noses in the salt) is in the White House sooooo now our concern shifts to how best to extract us from that stupid undertaking by doing the least harm to the rest of the civilian population of Iraq than we have already done.

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Greg

If oil was our objective (even though we could buy all we wanted, prices were low) and we wanted to take over a country, Iraq was a pretty dumb move for several reasons. Venezuela would’ve been a much better target. IF we wanted to take over a country solely for their oil.

We didn’t quash them?

OBL was on the radio in Tora Bora, pleading for the fighters //and their wives and kids// to sacrifice themselves so they could escape. They fled to Pakistan. The gov’t of Afghanistan was destroyed and we installed a new one.

Now AQ’s base is Pakistan but their ability to launch worldwide efforts is not nearly what it was after 9-11. The Taliban is reconstituting as a tribal-based force – but not as the gov’t.

I’m not sure what it means to assert ‘we neglected Afghanistan.’ What are our objectives now vs when we went in? As I said, the mission’s morphed and Pres Obama’s expanded it. Do we want to keep AQ from attacking our homeland again? Keep the Taliban from taking over the gov’t again (what’s the problem with that, as long as they go back to what they were doing before they harbored AQ?).

Or do we simply want to stay embroiled in a hearts and minds contest while killing as many of them as we can?

See, if this’d been Bush as Pres doing this, I’d wager there would have been plenty of QUESTIONS about the wisdom and efficacy of it all.

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Noerburt

I’d suggest the party they create be called “the after birthers”

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Bosch! Of Course!

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US deaths hit their highs several years after the fall of Baghdad. The drumbeat of reporting was constant. Just review the headlines of the wire services, not to mention the papers or the tv news reporting.

Well damn, Paul. it was a shocking development, and it got worse and worse and worse. It was not something that any of the Administration had publicly prepared us for. It was news, screaming headline news. Of course.

Should the Afghanistan casualties be bigger news? If that’s what you’re arguing I’ve got your back. Of course it should. What I can’t get with is your notion that it’s media bias soaked in Obamaphilia driving it. It’s much bigger, and more depressing than something as facile as that.

Mostly it’s viewership/readership fatigue. You can only work up a cycle of outrage among the public every so often. Nobody prominent is working this.

It’s a fascinating topic, one that you’re well equipped to discuss honestly, but I’ve gotta blow this pop stand. Later, all.

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Bosch

[[What about Episcopalians? Do we count as Christians?]]

Of course not! You worship that pretender to the Pope’s throne.

Now, Episcopalopians, that’s another matter entirely…

Normal

Some would say Christians were the first Christians, that Catholics took over centuries later.

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Normal, Catholic Propoganda! Orothodox Churches also have Apostolic succession. Several other churches date back to the time of the Apostles as well. Catholics are big, but not the only original.

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Some would say Christians were the first Christians, that Catholics took over centuries later.

PAUL, of course you are right, but the Catholics wrote the book…

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I have seen the birth certificate in question several times on TV & on-line. Lastly, few days ago on CNN. Looks exactly like my two kids
certificates.

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People just need to get over this birth certificate thing. I have four children. The first three are close in age so I didn’t request birth certificates for any of them until the third one was about 11 mos. When I got them, they were a “Certification of Live Birth” and not the actual long form people are speaking of. Four years later, when my youngest child was also 11 mos, the state of Georgia sent me the long form called a “Certificate of Live Birth.” I have no idea why I got the short form for the first three and the long form for the fourth. Same state, same hospital, same parents, same house. President Obama has the short form because that is what he was given.

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new thread

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“You really are low to say something like that and then weasle around about not having the time to do your homework”

It’s always easier to just make things up than it is to provide proof. Always.

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Jay,

It would be a very easy matter to settle. Show us the real birth certificate. I personally believe he’s someone’s blow-up doll and probably doesn’t have one.

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This Jay character that calls himself a “journalist” is nothing more than a pawn propagandist for the most opaque adminstration in history. And he is helping perpetuate fraud on the American people.

JAY CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO SOME INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING?

THERE IS PROOF IF YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO SEEK IT:

Ask someone with digital graphic knowledge to show you the “anti-aliasing” around the overlaid copy characters in the ‘factcheck’ online COLB file…it is a 100%FORGERY. The digital tracks are in plain sight.

They have scrubbed the image off of the Fight the Smears site because it is stinking up the place.

Fortunately many have archived files of this.

In addition, this amatuer forgery–The “Certificate of Live Birth” or COLB– that was rush-posted online in July 2008 when this issue began to heat up– has serial numbers obliterated and no doctor signature, no listed hospital, no parental signatures, no hospital admin information.

Recall the passport file breach of March 2008?

McCain, Hillary and O’s files were tampered with?

Only Obama’s was “cauterized”…and a chief Obama supporter’s security company empoyee was found doing the cauterizing ( of personal info like place of birth etc).

3 weeks later the central witness in this investigation was shot in the head while he sat in his car.
Unsolved.

Kind of like Donald Young’s murder–the Trinity United (Rev Wright) gay choir director– unsolved murder in Dec 2007.
He told Larry Sinclair ( who shared crack with O in 1999) he’d been haing an affair with Barack. He bought it 90 days later.
Murder still unsolved.

We have a pretender in the Oval Office. People…stop drinking the koolaid–at least educate yourselves!

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One afternoon at the Right Wing Cafe in Canton, Ten right winger run in carrying an ornately framed childs puzzle. Putting it lovingly on a table, they hold hands a spin clock-wise (to the right, duh),
singing 51 days, 51 days, 51 days!

The bartender, wanting to know what was going on, grabbed a bottle of bubbley and glasses. Approaching the GOP ten, he said, “if y’all tell me what’s goin’ on, I’ll give you this on the house”. The head GOP Right Winger, Rush somebody, stepped up and boasted, “Sir, we have forever dispelled the myth that Right Wing GOPer’s are stupid”. The bartender, “Yeah? How?” Rush, said, “See that puzzle there?” The bartender said, “Yeah, nice frame, so?” “So sir”, replied Rush, “The box said two to four years, and we did it in 51 days!”

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HAHAHA too funny!!! We are STILL talking about this?!? My god, do repuglicans also get distracted by shiny objects and loud noises? Imagine the scope of the “conspiracy” that has to be in place in order to pull off the “great Birth Certificate Caper”!!

First===>>> The Repuglican governor of Hawaii has to be lying, (even though he voted for McCain and could’ve blown Obama out of the water MONTHS ago). He’s probably being paid off by Obama, (because everyone knows that he was born wealthy…..why he’s as rich as a Bush!!); AND the governor is probably waiting on his book deal to go through too.

SECOND=====>>>The two newspapers which printed the birth of Obama, (BACK IN 1961); has to be in on the conspiracy too. They probably knew, (like the Manchurian Candidate), the Obama would become the first black president of the US, (because there was a star in the east at his birth); and so concocted those false announcements. They plan on having a really lucrative book deal when this is over.

THIRD====>>>The State Registrar’s office has to be lying because they were in on it too from the beginning. PS: I heard they have a really lucrative book deal in the making.

The Most Conclusive Evidence That The Birther Conspiracy is Just Nonsense Is=====>> Alan, “I’ve had one too many hits of acid back in the 60s” Keys. If he believes in this birther nonsense then it has to be foolishness!!! The man believes he actually walked on water through his faith!!!! I mean, what is more conclusive than that!?!

It really shouldn’t be too hard to release a birth certificate, although after a year of stonewalling nobody would believe it was real at this point

Sigh. I give up……….

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We invaded Iraq because the lazy Republicans who discovered that Afghanistan and Bin Laden was way too much work, and erroneously thought that the Iraqis would just roll over like they did in 1991. In short, we invaded Iraq because we wanted to show how tough we were. No real reason.

By the way, fiscal conservatives, we’ve spent an estimated 3 TRILLION dollars in Iraq. Just who do you suppose will have to pay off that debt? Imagine just what our budget would have looked like if we hadn’t borrowed 3 TRILLION dollars and poured it down a hole in Iraq.

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Kind of like Donald Young’s murder–the Trinity United (Rev Wright) gay choir director– unsolved murder in Dec 2007.
He told Larry Sinclair ( who shared crack with O in 1999) he’d been haing an affair with Barack. He bought it 90 days later.
Murder still unsolved.

OMG!!! How did you find out about that!?!!!? We thought we had buried it deep underground!!! I paid millions, do you hear me MILLIONS, to bury that story and yet you found out!! I’m gonna try and get my money back!!! What kind of country is this, when you can’t even get any bang for your bribery buck anymore!!!:??!!

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This birther “nonsense” becoming a bigger problem for the usurper that’s occupying the Oval Office.

Obama and the Obots thought this “nonsense” would fade away. Just the opposite is occurring.

As more and more Americans witness platoons of lawyers vigorously preventing the release of the Obamamessiah’s REAL birth records, school records and medical rcords, they realize that this suckah has something to hide.

And, he’s hiding it.

This “nonsense” isn’t going away. It’s getting more intense.

Even the stoned-looking doofus at the top of this page is writing about it.

Cheers . . .

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Madeline, my own Indiana birth certificate (of which I got a copy of to get a driver’s license when I moved to Colorado), doesn’t list the doctor who was there when I was born.

Ken, nice slippery argument there. You have no proof that Obama was enrolled in college as an “international student”, but you are demanding that Obama somehow prove that he wasn’t? Not that you would believe him anyway. As for the birth announcement, it is a common newspaper practice for the newspapers to get the birth records from Vital Statistics. Where does Vital Statistics get the info, you ask? Why, they get it from BIRTH CERTIFICATES PROVIDED FROM THE HOSPITAL. Again, not that you’ll believe that, because you are simply compiling information that you feel backs up your predetermined conclusion.

A lot of dumbf*ck Southerners also believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, so it’s no surprise you half-wits so desperately want to believe this “birther” nonsense.

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READ UP DEBDORIGHT AND LEARN SOMETHING:

You said…”The two newspapers which printed the birth of Obama, (BACK IN 1961); has to be in on the conspiracy too. They probably knew, (like the Manchurian Candidate), the Obama would become the first black president of the US, (because there was a star in the east at his birth); and so concocted those false announcements. They plan on having a really lucrative book deal when this is over.”

Now Deb,

Did you know that the address in the birth announcement (placed obviously by Stanley Ann’s mother, “Toot”)

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
is a residence where Barack Sr and Ann NEVER lived?

>>According to affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.

Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.<<

Baro ( the investigator) was able to determine the previous owners of the residence at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway – the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born – were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased.

Baro’s affidavit also documents that the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted on his campaign website is not the original “long form” birth certificate issued in 1961 by the obstetrician or physician giving birth and the hospital where the baby was born.<<

This teenage mom ( she got pregnant at 17) wanted all the perks of a kid born in the US….and since Barack Jr was actually born in Coast Hosptial in Mombasa because Ann was not allowed ro fly so close to delivery– –and where Obama’s paternal grnadmother is on tape saying she was in the delivery room in Coast Hospital when he was born–she wasnt scompletley stupid….she had her mother cover for her……just so happned to use an address that wasnt in the family.

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Obama could’ve been born on Mars for all I care. I’m just glad we finally have a competent president.

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And whoever writes the book writes the history –

Greg

Thanks for your clarification. I’ve maintained the war in Iraq was not about oil; however, our presence in the Middle East is almost entirely about oil.

Which is why I’m pretty hardcore on issues to make it not necessary for us to be there. And why I have no use for the likes of Spkr Pelosi who put placating their constituents and playing politics above practical considerations such as getting us the most energy from home-grown resources as we can.

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Madeline, do you actually believe that President Obama murdered a gay choir director? Or are you throwing so many different conspiracies against the wall hoping one will stick.

By the way, retard, Vital Statistics gets their information directly from the hospitals, and newspapers get their birth announcements from Vital Statistics.

It sure is prettty damn convenient for you conspiracy morons that Obama’s mother is deceased, one less person to throw water on your insanity.

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Paul, you have to admit that invading a country for transparently phony reasons and setting up a government that gave us no bid oil contracts is pretty sleazy.

One of these days, some of you will learn the phrase “peak oil” and understand that destroying what’s left of our natural environment in the US for at best 8 additional years of oil is a fool’s errand.

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Is it that the birther don’t believe President Obama is a born US citizen or that they don’t know Hawaii is an actual state?

These could be the same people who didn’t know that Saudi Arabia where so many of the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden were from and Iraq are different countries.

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USinUK

July 21st, 2009
11:50 am
Most conservatives really do care about the constitution and traditional values. That is why we do not want judges making law sort of like the liberals do. Is that not dodging the constitution?

I had to show more proof of my birth to join the military than KOTUS did to become president.

The news does not report those kille in action and show their pictures online anymore. Why is that? I guess dying for liberals is ok…..to you.

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DoggoneItDoggone:

Don’t know if anyone has addressed this post of yours:

“Would you accept the word “exploit”.”

Absolutely. Just like the Bush regime “exploited” the deaths of innocent Iraqis by NOT reporting them.

When have you NEVER seen a conflict where collateral damage wasn’t a part of it? The difference in this conflict is that it’s the enemy who exploits their own people by embedding themselves among civilians — using them as human shields.

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The half-white, half-Arab guy won. Obama has no Negro blood.

The certificate Obama posted is like a driver’s license or Social Security card. At the time of Obama’s birth, Hawaii issued those certificates of live birth even to baby’s who had come to Hawaii as infants, but were not born there. The real birth certificate would include the name of the physician and the hospital.

Obama has publicly claimed to have been born in two different hospitals in Hawaii.

In Africa it is widely believed, taken for granted by many, that Obama was born in Kenya.

Americans have to present their birth cerificates on all sorts of occasions. It is certainly reasonable to require a candidate for President to do so. John McCain was required to prove his citizenship. Why not Obama?

This issue is not going away.

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The “liberals do this, conservatives do that” mindset is SO SAD. You really have to be a moron to believe there’s any significant difference between the two corporate-controlled parties.
VOTE THIRD PARTY!

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So how do all the “birthers” feel about this illegal-alien muslim communist having such expanded powers over civil liberties due to Bush’s Patriot Act?

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what is racist about following the constitution?

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you all should be angry at your leader, he is the one hiding what everyone else must disclose…..

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Madeline & Stanley: According to affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.

Not to disparage an elderly person, but the lady in question had to have been at least old enough to remember August 1961 which was 46 3/4 years ago………..Now you’re telling me she remembers DISTINCTLY everyone who ever lived on her street, OR she remembers this particular couple how? Can this same woman remember, who, without looking it up, won the World Series, SuperBowl, AND NBA finals that year too? (Which was probably more heavily reported anyway).

Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.

She BELIEVED, but is not SURE huh? Yet you BELIEVE wholeheartedly that she even knows what the heck she’s talking about!!!??? How does she even KNOW the family? Did she say that?

This is sooooo sad. Hey, for a lot of years i BELIEVED in the Easter Bunny and just KNEW it was real; but then, reality came, and blew that theory in the water!!! Maybe it’ll do the same for the “birthers”. But then again…….

PS: Don’t forget the republican Governor said Obama was born in Hawaii too……do you think he can be trusted? He looks a little shifty to me, especially around the eyes…….

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Mr. Bookman:

You know sir, the truth about obozo. Us birthers finally started realizing, that in Feb or March of this year any reasonable person would understand by then that something is not right and to continue to dismiss
birther claims, makes you a knowing facilitator to un-Constitutional lawlessness. What would your profs from Penn State think about your dismissals of birthers’ claims? With your degree and experience, why don’t YOU research the story yourself. By the way, where is the old certificATION that WAS on Snopes & “Stop the Smears” just last week ?????

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Why in the world would anyone accept a document image on the Internet as proof of anything? I mean, seriously, people. A 9th grader could make that document on photoshop. Is it too much to ask that a document with Constiutional implications actually be revealed to the press so they could show everybody? A real piece of paper? So far, we’ve had an announcement by a HI government official that she has seen his original birth certificate (Hmmmm…she doesn’t say that the birthplace is Hawaii). I know it seems farfetched that she is covering for Obama, but haven’t you guys noticed the religious devotion given to this man by his followers? Would that be so outlandish that he could get one to dance around the issue so as to bury it for him?

I’m sorry. I’m no nutcase. I don’t wear tin foil hats (please stop using this term by the way. It’s just tedious at this point). But, I do think we are entitled to proof positive that he was born in the US. If you think he’s given us that, you are dreaming.

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Is it not sad that liberals would allow a non citizen to become president if he was liberal?
A simple document that millions of us have.
Now the liberals have that attitude since he is in office, It doesnt matter anyway”. Is that not your attitude? It doesnt matter anyway? I am so ashamed of some Americans.

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Pete – thanks for telling me what I do and don’t believe. I didn’t know I was in the presence of a mind reader.

As regards your points (the ones based on what I wrote, rather than what you divined), I don’t know how Barack Obama funded his schooling, nor did I claim to know. But the fact that he is hiding his school records suggests to me, as a matter of common logic, that there is something there he does not want us to see. I am raising the possibility that it might relate to his legal status.

Regarding the birth announcement, neither you nor I know how that announcement found its way into the paper – which is precisely the point I’m making. If it came from a hospital, which hospital did it come from? It certainly doesn’t mention one, does it?

This brings us to another practical consideration. Barack Obama is just 47 years old. That means if the doctor who delivered him was, say, 35 when he was born, he would be just 82 today and certainly might be alive. So might be any number of people there on the day of his birth. A 25 year old nurse would be just 72, a 30 year old food services person would be just 77, an 18 year old candy striper who helped out at the hospital would be just 65. Doesn’t it strike you as odd that not one person has come forth and said “I was there when the President of the United States was born”?

I suppose you could argue that it is unreasonable to expect them to remember an inconsequential birth all those years ago. But let’s remember that Mr. Obama’s mother was an 18 year old caucasian woman with a Black husband many years her senior. Interracial births were extremely rare at that time – and especially in Hawaii which had almost no Black population. Even in the last census (2002) Blacks comprised less than 2% of Hawaii’s total population. So I’m pretty confident it would have been noticed.

If you want to argue on facts, let’s go. If you want to look into a crystal ball and tell me what I’m thinking, try someone else.

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Obama’s birth certificate is in Kenya: end of story!

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Madeline & Stanley regarding the Gay Choir Director and Obama’s “tryst”.

Of COURSE that’s real!!! I paid MILLIONS to try and hush that up!!! MILLIONS!!! and I have more money than a BUSH will ever have!!!

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where was obama born?

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libs: article II, section I – natural born citizenship required so there are no divided loyalties. many question whether or not he hates America.

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“We posted KIA numbers. YOU, you evil skunk, said we CELEBRATED those deaths.”

Ah yes… Finally the admission that G knows exactly what I’m talking about. YOU posted those KIA numbers for the purpose of bashing Bush AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF FURTHERING YOUR PARTY AGENDA. The more people died, the better chance your party has of winning elections ONLY if you keep the KIA numbers in the news and in front of the masses you were trying to sway. And you did exactly that, G. You posted those numbers in an almost celebratory way in hopes it would benefit your candidate. And you KNOW that, G. That’s disgusting.

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Oh please!!! The repuglicans are responsible for putting the village idiot in a seat of power (the US presidency); and the man couldn’t even say a whole sentence without f—-king it up!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRYPYuFZLk

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Trust you? obama must prove he is a natural born citizen, the democratic party was responsible for ensuring this

Don’t just blame the Dems; blame the CIA, FBI AND the NSA for this also (they’re the ones who do background checks on potential Presidential candidates). It was all a big conspiracy!!! The CIA,FBI and NSA all have lucrative book deals in the works when this is over.

Heed my words!! Watch out for the unknowns, the evil ones, who look like us; but who are really stupid and go around muttering words like, “Hawaii, Kenya, 1961″ over and over again. If you look directly into their eyes, you will turn to stone!!!!!

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Debbie – in his last election, George Bush got 63 million votes. Are all those people as worthy of your hatred?

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Demanding a birth certificate from an elected US President is as insulting as it is ludicrous. He doesn’t have to prove his birth to these nut jobs. Don’t you morons understand that the screening process required of any potential Commander In Chief would require that level of scrutiny at the very least? The so-called birthers are intellectually incapable of rational logic – and the truth ain’t in them. These people are blinded by hate-filled rage, coupled with a healthy dose of stupidity.

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Oh, I see, Hank, kinda like the Obamanation’s new forced health care proposal? Under which, if you try to hire a doctor with your own money, both you and the doctor can be thrown in jail??? Or the federal government’s fascist approach to owning the banking industry, car industry, et al??? Come back when you have something intelligent to say…..

Hank wrote: The compulsion to control others’ behavior and use the government to force adherence to some perceived cultural or traditional “norm”- that’s a real problem.

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Allen – the factcheck.com site goes to great lengths to prove that the COLB was valid. The problem is that a valid COLB does not in any way prove where Barack Obama was born. From 1911 to 1972 a birth certificate could be issued in Hawaii without proof that the child was born there (the Laws of the Territory, Act 96, enacted April 17, 1911). Barack Obama was born in 1961.

Forgetting Factcheck’s ties to Obama (it is run by the Annenberg Foundation, which Barack Obama, along with william ayers, was associated with to disperse grant money over a period of years), even if what they say is true it does not prove a thing about his birth.

Why are you folks so determine to ignore the single most obvious issue, which is that if Barack Obama is legal, all he has to do is request and show the birth certificate?

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Granny, you teach?!?! uh oh…………I hear Ga’s school listing dropping to 50………

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Hey just 3yrs & 6mos more of this chaos. Unless something happens.

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MsLady – it is insulting to expect that the President of the United States produce his birth certificate so that we know he is legally able to hold the office?

Are you insulted if you are asked to produce a driver’s license when cashing a check?

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Site I meant to link @ 4.07–my bad.

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Please.

If there was a “there” there, you think Ah-nold wouldn’t have dogged it already?

So President Obama is playing the same “make me” game as the rest. He’s working the birthers into a lather just like President GW Bush did with the proofers. Big deal.

I wonder how many underfed, undereducated, underclothed, underfillintheblank folks in our world could really use some of the energy wasted on this issue in this forum alone.

Peace.

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Ken: Debbie – You don’t hate, you just refer to all Republicans as “Repuglicans” (i.e. repugnant). Do you ever read what you type?

Yeah; but I really didn’t think you’d catch on that fast OR understand what I wrote. Sorry!

And Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle did not state that she had seen Mr. Obama’s birth certificate and that it was valid. What she actually did do was put it under seal, so that no one but Barack Obama could get their hands on it.

SHE VERIFIED it’s authenticity!!!!!! How can you misconstrue THAT!?!? See, THAT’s why I didn’t think you catch on to the repuglican thinggyyyy………..

I can’t speak for her motives (nor can you). But let’s not confuse hiding the document with speaking for its validity.

Sigh. She NEVER sealed his birth certificate!! That’s another “conspiracy theory” lie that’s going around!! Good try though……
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http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

Here’s a quote from one of the Head Honchos in Hawaii back in 2008: “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

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From the Hawaiian STar Bulletin:
http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/2009/06/

No smoking gun
Saturday, June 6th, 2009

By B.J. Reyes

Message to the Birthers:

For all of those who are supporting the “Where’s the birth certificate” campaign, there’s a reason why the “long-form birth certificate” that is being sought has not been produced.

It doesn’t exist.

Not for President Barack Obama, not for anyone born in Hawaii.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

In other words, the document posted online during the campaign is all you’re going to get.

Not that this will put an end to the conspiracy theories, but at least maybe the White House won’t have to deal with any more inquiries.
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Of course, all these people are LYING………for some reason, and no one yet knows why, they just KNOW that there is a cover up!! Oh well….what can you say

Below is my favorite Dubya sound bite!!! Enjoy!! Go DUBYA!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KogebxJkHig&NR=1

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OMG I gotta go to class but Ken, vbk and a few others, (especially Church Lady — I got my best laugh all day from you!!); I’ll log on again after class and read your responses.

And in the words of a great american, Dubya, “This was said in Tennessee or maybe in Texas, I think it’s Texas or Tennessee……fool me once…..(long pause)…………fool me once..(longer pause) ….well, you just can’t fool again”.

Good night Seattle!!!

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Here’s a “premature” uh, er, whatever-

PRINCETON, NJ — As the debate over healthcare reform intensifies, the latest USA Today/Gallup poll finds that more Americans disapprove (50%) than approve (44%) of the way U.S. President Barack Obama is handling healthcare policy. There is a tremendous partisan gap in these views, with 74% of Democrats but only 11% of Republicans approving. Independents are more likely to disapprove than to approve of Obama’s work on healthcare.

Crash and burn, socialists, crash and burn.

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Debbie – Linda Lingle says she didn’t seal it as well. However, in the same letter, she assures us that, without Barack Obama’s sayso we can’t ever see it. Here are her exact words:
Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle’s office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is false.

Under Hawai‘i’s state law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor’s office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai’i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.

Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:
etc.

So if you want to rest on the technicality that she didn’t seal it, and distinguish it from the fact that she states unequivocally that we can’t see it, be my guest. Either way the result is the same.

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Though Debbie is presumably not here anymore, the answer to her quote from Dr. Fukino is that it does not in any way claim that the birth certificate proves Mr. Obama’s eligibility to be President – only that they are holding the original version (irrespective of what it says). Read the words again and see for yourself.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

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Sinclair Lewis:
When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a Cross

Actually, this woman is carrying a flag and probably burns the Cross with her fellow KKK’ers

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Number1Ninja – Paranoid racist lunacy? Wow.

Is that what you say when you don’t have facts to respond with?

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This is getting tedious:

John Bryans Fontaine: I just watched the beginning of the Rick Sanchez video. He is NOT reading Barack Obama’s birth certificate, he is reading from the Certification of Live Birth. As pointed out before, from 1911 to 1972, a child could receive this “birth certificate regardless of whether there was any proof he was born in Hawaii.

This is not proof of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be President. The vault copy of his birth certificate might be, but he has moved heaven and earth to prevent you, me or anyone else from seeing it.

Why do you suppose he would do that?

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maybe that “real” birth certificate is with a certain former “war” president’s DD 214.

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The left wishes this was nonsense.

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OF course it is Ken. If you don’t get that then you porbably have it to. If you don’t get why it’s an insult to the president after being approved by all proper legal channels to unseal his private documents just to appease a fringe who has used every veiled codespeak way to paint him as “not one of us” (which ain’t fooling anybody, by the way), then you’re probably too far gone already. Just do us a favor and keep it to yourselves.

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I see. To expect verification of his citizenship status makes me a racist, a lunatic AND a nazi sympathizer too.

You need a lot more logic and a lot less hate.

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Oh yeah, WND, Alan Keyes and James Von Brunn are real bastions of Logic, and the far right is a 24/7 Hate machine.

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And these right wing nutjobs would probably have no problem amending the constitution so naturalized citizens(AH-nold)could run for president in the future. Just a thought….

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Actually, Barack Obama’s grandmother has said that she was there when he was born. In Kenya. Is she correct? I don’t know, I wasn’t there (any more than you were). But it seems to me that the paternal grandmother making this claim qualifies as evidence.

Any other names you’d like to call me?

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Which is why Obama’s grandmother posted the announcment of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

And also in the Hawaii Star Bulletin

Or were these part of the “conspiracy”?

Where is your link to her saying that he was born in Kenya?

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John Bryans Fontaine: There are many, and you use google to find them. But here are two: http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/obamas-grandmother-banned-by-the-kenya-police-from-giving-interviews-that-may-jeopardise-obamas-presidential-victory-on-november-4th/ and http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074.

Again, these are just two, randomly picked from many other links.

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OBAMA’S BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

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The birth certificate coupled with the newspaper announcements are convincing. (Surely this huge cover-up did not start the week he was born?!?)

But I’ll suggest that Obama WANTS this controversy. It keeps pushing conservatives further and further to right, alienating them from reasonable people, painting the whole conservative movement as mental defectives. Now if Dick Cheney would just come out and say he thinks the birth certificate is fishy….

As a Democrat, I LOVE this fight.

Good Luck

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Don’t these nuts realize that you can be a U.S. citizen without being born in the U.S.? My oldest son was born in Europe. He is a U.S. citizen because I am a U.S. citizen. Obama’s mother was clearly a U.S. citizen. What would be the benefit of altering his birth place?

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Right on Ken!

So far every well known conservative radio host, the real power of the GOP, has expressed doubts, and the congressman on Hardball twisted himself in knots sort-of defending the “Birthers”. (Or do you call yoursef “Birthies”?)

You are running your party right over cliff with silliness. I LOVE it.

Good Luck

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Shelby – Barack Obama’s father was not a citizen and – if Barack Obama were born outside the USA (which is the issue here), his mother did not meet the legal requirements for him to be a naturalized citizen. She did not live within the US enough years after her 14th birthday (I’m working from memory here – it had to be either 5 or ten years — not that it would be relevant since she had him at the age of 18)

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Ken- It seems like you have the impression that I’m trying to argue. I’m not. I never accused you of being anything (after reading my last post, I can see how you got that impression, sorry for that, I really could of phrased it better). The point I was trying to make with that, was that, not one of these official ‘birthers’ can give me a legitament reason for why I should care about this issue at all (other then a political (i.e. he’s a democrat) or racial (i.e. he’s black) reason). I actually respect the fact that you can debate this issue without resorting to name calling or other childish behavior (which is more then I can say for a majority of the poster here–democrat or republican).

Again, I was in no why trying to call YOU a racist, or start a stupid argument over the internet. For that I am sorry.

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Of course, once the real birth certificate is releases there will be “experts” claiming it a forgery, arguing that it was produced by Obama agents and his minions in Hawaii either went along with the fraud or were intimidated by Obama’s thugs into going along. That is way these theories. The woman who spoke in the video above did not question whether Obama was a NBC…she said she knew he was not. Nothing…nothing will convice the birthers otherwise.

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If this was just a single nutjob then it would be one thing but the reaction from the crowd is what shows this is not an isolated feeling.

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There’s nutcases, and then there’s nutcases, but there’s *never* been anything close to this. And it’s beginning to go mainstream – Lou Dobbs? Puleeeeze . . . .

Here’s the deal, birthers . . . the birth announcement was published in the Honolulu paper in 1961. End of story. You can’t go back 45 years an fake something in the past, so yep, “Barry’s” a citizen. Anyway, if mom was a US citizen, Barack would be one too, regardless of where he was born. Which was Hawaii, beyond any doubt, anyway.

But please, whatever you do, don’t listen to me. Please! If you wanted a class of liars, losers, reprobates and America haters to disappear, a better neutron bomb couldn’t possibly be imagined. Birth on, birthers! Then enjoy your extinction . . . .

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PS

OBAMA’S BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

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The Birthers, Sarah Palin, anti science, etc…. Want to know why us Independents increasingly dislike the Rep party?

It is the party of ignorance, intolerance, racism, and religion.

He has proven his citizenship to any reasonable person. His mother was a US citizen. He was born in Hawaii. I can’t believe I used to call myself a Republican. I thought the Dem party was where the idiots go but now it is clear that they are most at home in what used to be the Rep party. Serious Reps like Chuck Hagel are no longer welcome. Nice party.

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incase anyone is interested in the truth, Hawaii does not issue a certificate of birth for another area of the country as was suggested by a Republican earlier. ALL, as in ALL states only issue reports for their own state. As Hawaii law says “Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health. In Hawaii, access to vital records is restricted by statute (HRS §338-18).

Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs.”

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Time to hurt some feelings. I tend to use the term quite loosely because I can. Republican/Conservatives are TERRORISTS. Unfathomable to witness the depth of ignorance people stoop to in the year 2009 A.D. And, yes we can reduce it to race in this country. Though great strides have been made towards equality, the disparity is of existential proportions. Can’t a brotha’ get a break?

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She is right you know. Where is the birth certicate? Published on the AXJ forums around the world: http://www.axjus.com

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The trouble here is that the obommers are to damn lazy to do their own reading on subjects as serious as this….I am an Independent, but it amazes me how those who voted for obama just Dont even
remember the saying that there are two sides to every story,…all they can see is their own way of thinking, and thats it…..duh !
This in a small way proves that they are coo-coo. if you hold your hand out palm up, look at it….you see a hand palm ,but it is still a hand, if you turn it over viewing the back side of your hand, it is still a hand, BUT, with a different viewpoint, and as it goes “THERE IS ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO ANY STORY”, so why the stupid argument that just your side is correct.
A C.O.L.B. IS (NOT) A BIRTH CERTIFICATE….HELLO…ANYBODY HOME IN THERE….
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU SHALL (PROVE YOU ARE ELIGIBLE) AND A COLB IS (NOT) ANY PROOF AT ALL…..
I AM A SHERIFF, IF I STOPPED YOU FOR A TRAFFIC TICKET, AND YOU HANDED ME A STATE I.D. CARD ( FOR YOUNGER PERSONS), I WOULD WRITE YOU A TICKET FOR (NOT) HAVING A PROPER DR. LIC. FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A PROPER DRIVING LICENSE
OBAMA HAS ONLY OFFERED A STATE I.D. CARD…..NOT A REAL DRIVERS LIC, SAME AS HE HAS DONE FOR HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE…NOT WHAT IS REQUIRED…..IF HE PRESENTED HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, INSTEAD OF A COLB, HE WOULD BE OUSTED IN A HURRY, BECAUSE BY HIS OWN WORDS “MY FATHER WAS A KENYAN,” IN HIS CAIRO SPEECH. LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE…..
THAT RIGHT THERE MAKES HIM “IN-ELIGIBLE” BECAUSE HE ADMITS HE HAS A FATHER THAT IS NOT, NOR EVER WAS A CITIZEN OF THE U.S…….
TO BE “NATURAL-BORN” YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST ONE PARENT THAT (WAS) A U.S. CITIZEN AND HAS LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A PERIOD OF 16 YEARS, AND IN ORDER TO CONFER CITIZENSHIP ON BARACK ON A CHILD THAT IS 5 YEARS OLDER THAT HER AGE =21…..SHE WAS (ONLY) 14 AT HIS BIRTH, PLUS THE 5 YEARS REQUIRED, THAT WOULD MAKE HER ONLY 19 AND (NOT) EVEN CLOSE TO CONFERING U.S. CITIZENSHIP ON HIM…..
SO,….WISE UP FROGS, YOU ARE NOT EVEN AS CLOSE TO KNOWING WHAT IN THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT….
YES, I REALIZE THAT ITS TOUGH BEING WRONG, SO INSTEAD OF TAKING ALL OF US “BIRTH-NUTS” WORD FOR IT , GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND DO YOUR OWN SEARCHING……
START WITH GOOGLE AND LOOK UP OBAMA’S CAIRO SPEECH,ELEVEN PARAGRAPHS DOWN FROM THE START, AND YOU WILL READ THE KILLER TRUTH, “MY FATHER WAS A KENYAN,” ERGO: OBAMA CANNOT BE “NATURAL-BORN” AND THEREFORE CAN NEVER BE THE LEGAL PRES. OF THE U.S.

IN YOUR FAVOR, THE SUPREME COURT DOES (NOT) KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS “USURPER” SITUATION, AS THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL WAY TO “UN-DUE” ALL OF THIS, AND OBAMA IS RUSHING TO GET ALL OF HIS ISLAMIC IDEAS FOR SOCIALISM ON US, BEFORE SOMEBODY FIGURES IT OUT…..CONGRESS CAN IMPEACH HIM FOR A CRIME OF TREASON, FRAUD OR FELONY MIS-DEMEANORS, BUT ……..SO FAR HER HOLINESS NANNY PELOSI WILL NOT MAKE A MOVE….HER “PAY-OFF” MUST HAVE BEEN “HUGE”……………

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REPUBS, GET A LIFE STOP SAYING NO NO NO!!! Start saying I will help this country, not hate it!

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The discussion is about BO’s birth certificate – why bring “W” into the conversation? I do not get it.

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For the record:

Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Liz Cheney, Micheal Savage are pro birthers, although Lou Dobbs position seems to come more from stupidity than conviction. ( BTW, Michael Savage’s website is something to behold. Does he always beg for money so cravenly!?!)

Bill O’Reilly and Michelle Malkin are overt anti-birthers, with unequivocal statements saying so. I suspect Pat Buchanan is also anti-birther but I’m not sure on this.

Glenn Beck seems to be avoiding the issue overtly. His website has pro-birther articles on it, but that doesn’t neccesarily reflect his views.

Laura Ingraham is on vacation this week, but I haven’t heard her say much on this issue. My guess is that she is not a “birther”.

FWIW.

Good Luck

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Ken Berwitz,

You and others with your mind set have made it exceedingly clear that you do not accept the laws of this land and the laws of the individual states as laws that you will be governed by. Most of us understand that, given your insistence that your demands be met because the laws of the land are not good enough for you. Well, write you Congressman, file a frivolous lawsuit, run for office, get elected and push for changes that satisfy you and your constituency. Go for it. There are no laws holding you back. In fact, I’m glad to hear that you and your brethren have nothing more pressing in life to deal with. Our economy, etc., must really be looking up.

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Ken Berwitz:

Your casuistry is getting more obvious and desperate with each of your posts. In your latest, you neglect to mention that Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama’s address, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, is listed in both newspaper announcements.

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To JBF – Now I’m desperate? Ok. I’ll add that to the pile.

I know the address that was listed in the notice. I also know that there are people there – notably the next-door neighbor, who has been there since before 1961 – who say that they have no remembrance at all of the Obamas living there. That doesn’t trouble you?
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To Karen – Since Mr. Obama’s place of birth was not a constitutional issue for any office he held until the Presidency, you have no point. But your offhanded assumption that to challenge Mr. Obama’s eligibility must be race-related is beneath contempt. And you’re far from the only one who has made this same baseless, offensive attack.

If I don’t like Barack Obama’s cap and trade legislation, or don’t like who he picked for a cabinet post, is that racial too?

I wish you would see yourself as you are. I have not – and would not – use Barack Obama’s race as any issue at all here. Nobody asked me, but since I’ve seen the charge so many times, I will tell you that, regardless of his eligibility, I was thrilled that a Black man won the Presidency because of what it says about the USA.

If you want to find racism, look for people who ignore any points being made, and reflexively jump straight to race as if it is 100% of everything. Which of us is doing that?

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*sorry for the typos… i had hand surgery and can only type with one hand lol*

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Ken Berwitz:

Actually, what troubles me is that you provide no proof of the next door neighbor ( names, links, anything ), just more casuistry. And with such great evidence supposedly on your side, you wait till now to bring that you know about said individuals??

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Neocon Republicans are the sorest, sorriest losers who have no shame or dignity about it at all.

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REPOSTED from previous comments^^^ and sent with LOVE………

Message to the Birthers:

For all of those who are supporting the “Where’s the birth certificate” campaign, there’s a reason why the “long-form birth certificate” that is being sought has not been produced.

It doesn’t exist.

Not for President Barack Obama, not for anyone born in Hawaii.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

In other words, the document posted online during the campaign is all you’re going to get.

Not that this will put an end to the conspiracy theories, but at least maybe the White House won’t have to deal with any more inquiries.

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Just to clarify for many on here with closed minds, a certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. The US passport office will not accept clb as proof of birth nor will any local tag office. A certified stamped copy of ones bs is all that is accepted. And no, Barry has not released his bs, just his clb. So if the US gov’t does not recognize it why should we?

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World Net Daily is run by Joseph Farah, who’s intensity of loathing for Obama exceeds anyone else on the right.

YET EVEN HIS OWN SITE HAS ADMITTED THE AUTHENTCITY OF OBAMA’S CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.

Joseph Farah’s Lie About WorldNetDaily, Obama Birth Certificate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/joseph-farahs-lie-about-w_b_152570.html

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog/1866272/farah-lies-about-wnds-reporting-on-obama-birth-certificate/

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Scary!!!! The scary thing is that these people are not ashamed of themselves, and feel the need to share their crazy propaganda-driven views with the rest of us.

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JBF – How obtuse can you be? The issue is not the authenticity of the COLB, it is that an authentic COLB is not proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I’ve shown you this a half dozen times, but you insist on not seeing it. I give up, I can’t help you

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Fellow guest James Carville seemed momentarily flabbergasted. “These poor pathetic people are believing stuff just like Ms. Cheney tonight,” he concluded. “She refuses to say this is ludicrous because she wants these people to believe this.”

Watch it now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/liz-cheney-defends-birthe_n_242555.html

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Clueless Deb,

You can find your own clueless song title, I’ll pass.

Here’s the facts, those little things people tend to ignore to prove a point.

Fact 1 – I can not prove that Barry was not born outside the US.

Fact 2 – You can not prove that Barry was born in the US.

Fact 3 – If you think you can dispute fact 1 or 2, then please provide the verifiable documentation to do so, otherwise you and I both have a 50/50 chance of being right /wrong.

Go for it.

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md: What a sad, sad, fragmented little world you must live in!!!

1) The man posted his birth certificate on line, (OR what the state of Hawaii issues for birth certificates); you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!”

2) The STATE OF HAWAII VERIFIES the certificate as legal AND that it came from Hawaii; you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!

3) The

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Ooops sorry!!! Here’s the finished project:

md: What a sad, sad, fragmented little world you must live in!!!

1) The man posted his birth certificate on line, (OR what the state of Hawaii issues for birth certificates); you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!”

2) The STATE OF HAWAII VERIFIES the certificate as legal AND that it came from Hawaii; you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!

3) The REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF HAWAII VERIFIES the legitimacy of the certificate that CAME FROM HAWAII and claims its AUTHENTIC; you people go nuts screaming ““CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!

I mean if JESUS came down from heaven and said “Here ye, thou art a fool, this man was born in the US he IS a US citizen”; you people would scream “JESUS is a LIAR!!!! CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!

So, what’s the point? NOTHING I could say, No FACTS that can be given to you from ANYBODY would change you mind…….so why not just go and look at a shiny object and amuse yourself for a couple of hours………….

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I recall a parent who took off the door to his daughter’s bedroom because “if she’s not doing something wrong, she shouldn’t have anything to hide.”
I suggest that if Bush didn’t have to prove he wasn’t a moron and Cheney didn’t have to prove he wasn’t a deranged sadist, Obama shouldn’t have to cater to the lunatic fringe of the Republican party.

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This is to the room in general, not any one person in particular:

For the umpteenth time:

1. It is not a birth certificate it is a certification of live birth. They are not the same. The COLB does not prove Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii. I have shown this over and over and over again.

2. I am not challenging the COLB’s legality, I am pointing out that it does not prove he is a naturalized citizen.

3. Same answer as 2: I am not challenging its authenticity. I am pointing out that it does not prove he is a naturalized citizen.

The simplest (and I do mean “simplest”) way to get past these facts is just to ignore them and keep screaming the same points – even though they have been answered – as loudly as possible. Lamentably, that is what we are seeing here.

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This is to no one in particuliar

SEE TOLD YA!! No matter what proof you give them, no matter WHAT the facts say, these people will go nuts screaming ““CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!

Hey birthers, look out there a big fat FACT behind you!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!

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Ken Berwitz: I have not the slightest idea.

But what you are suggesting is that Obama ran for President knowing he was not eligible and hoped that he could keep the birth certificate locked away — i.e., that no one would leak it or that there was no other copy floating around somewhere (e.g., in his passport application). He had to assume or hope that his opponents in the primaries would not dig it up and that his opponent in the general election would not. Whatever you may think of Obama, he his not stupid. Does that sound plausible to you?

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tmkls – Of course it sounds plausible to me. Why? Because, in order of your points, he did run, and there is no copy floating around (reasonable enough since he is the only one who can ask to have it “floated”).

Let me,again, try the high hard one down the middle of the plate. If there is no problem with his original birth certificate, why has he gone this far for this long to prevent it from being made public?

Let me also say that I don’t claim to know for certain what his citizenship status is. But I do know that the harder he tries to prevent us from seeing anything decisive the less confident I am that he has nothing to hide. I would hope you agree.

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Ken: As to your middle of the plate question — I have no idea.

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I have not followed this all too closely — I have a job and family to occupy most of my time. But as I understand it, the question is whether Obama meets the standard of being a “natural born citizen.” The difficulty is the Constitution itself does not define what a nbc is. There is no legislation passed by Congress that clearly defines it. And the Supreme Court has never provided a definitive definition. One needs to tease it out of various regulations, common law and some related but not clearly defintive court decisions. Even if this matter made it to SCOTUS, it would almost certainly rule it a nonjusticable political question to be settled by the other branches (as it often does on war powers issues).

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tmkls – Maybe this will clear things up. This is verbatim from the Department of State:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

So the issue of whether Mr. Obama is a citizen rests on whether or not he was born in Hawaii. If he was, there is no issue and he is a naturalized citizen. If he wasn’t, there is no issue, he is not a naturalized citizen.

Now: Where is the birth certificate?

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md: You’re funny!!! At least you have a sense of humor!!! Let’s see, since Jesus was born in the Middle East AND because he “probably” never set foot in America, (although many have seen him in clouds, bread crumbs, toast, etc.); he could, by definition, be termed an “illegal”. The only problem with that is that Jesus, since he’s the son of god and helped make mankind, yadda, yaddda, yadda, would probably get upset with anyone calling him an “illegal alien” and would probably bring death and destruction to the person who even intimated at it.

So, NO Jesus is not an alien; he is a Citizen Of The World, and that includes America.

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Ken:But I have read others claiming that the issue is not where he was born, but whether his father was a citizen. And I thought this issue is not whether he is a “naturalized citizen,” but whether he is a “natural born citizen.”

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Did Obama have to produce his birth certificate to get a passport, which I assume he has? I did.

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tmkls – I have no idea where you would have seen that. I don’t think anyone here – even the people whose only contribution is insults and sarcasms – are claiming that Obama’s father was a US citizen.

If Obama’s father were a citizen, it would mean that both parents are citizens and would end the issue right there. The fact that he was not a citizen makes Obama’s citizen status subject to the rules governing one-parent citizens I just put up a few minutes ago. As you can see, for births between 1952 and 1986 (that would include Obama) his mother would not meet the requirement and therefore he wouldn’t be a naturalized citizen.

These aren’t my rules, they’re the country’s rules. And (this is not directed at you tmkls) calling someone who points it out an “ignorant moron” isn’t contributing anything but mindless name-calling.

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How many of you idiots have two birth certificates?

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Again, Ken tells lies. He claims the above ^^^ info was taken from the State Department yet, he won’t give the link of the State Department where the info supposedly came from. Why? Does he have something to hide? I mean, how could Ken even REMEMBER VERBATIM the info he just quoted? Why won’t he provide the LINK to where he got this info? Was it REALLY the State Department’s link or was it “We Are Wack Jobs Hatchet People.com:” links?

I can provide the link to the US Constitutuion that states unequivocally everything that I’ve pasted in the blog concerning citizenship. I didn’t make it up out of thin air…..unlike Ken. He knows what he’s saying are lies, but just like Satan himself, he feels if he keeps saying it he’ll turn a lie into the truth.

US Constitution Link: Website: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Ken SHOW US THE LINK

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Indulging the childishness one last time: I haven’t refused to provide the link, no one asked me to.

The link is http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Now I won’t even answer her third-person. Why waste energy on someone like this.

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Went to the Oh so Wise one’s link and again he has lied. He only posted HALF of the story folks!! that’s why you gotta READ IT FOR yourself and don’ depend on these whack jobs to TELL YOU what it says!!! This isn’t a 3rd world country!! Everyone in America SHOULD be able to read!!

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

It doesn’t say anything about that “five years rule” it says that she had to have been a citizen AND physically present in the US for at least one year and since his mother was 18 when he was born….well……you do the math!!!

Basically it says IF Obama was born out of the country and his mother was a US citizen, then HE IS A US Citizen. But that’s beside the point because Obama was born in the US!!!!

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md: No, but he travelled overseas many times before he flew on AF-1.

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Oh for god sake. This idiot (sorry, that’s the only word that fits) did not post what it says. Here is what it says, verbatim – pay special attention to the last sentence (Obama was born in 1961).

Here is what it says:
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Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
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If you doubt me, read it for yourself at http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

End of story.

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Ken: I am trying hard to understand this. Didn’t Obama have to prove to our government’s satisfaction that he was a citizen to acquire a passport? And since one his parents was not a citizen (his father) when he was born, he had to prove that was born in the U.S.. Thus, he must have proven already to our government’s satisfaction that he was born in Hawaii, no?

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What is wrong with this logic:

1. To get a passport, one needs to prove citizenship.

2. Since Obama’s father was not a citizen at Obama’s birth, Obama could only be a citizen if he was born in the U.S..

3. Obama was granted a U.S. Passport (long ago).

4. Therefore, he has already proven to our government’s satisfaction that he was born in the U.S. (since that is the only way he could be a citizen).

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Also, Obama was NOT born overseas. No one can prove that he was!! However, there is DOCUMENTED PROOF that he was born right here in the good ole USofA!! DOZENS of people, including the Republican governor of Hawaii, have seen the OFFICIAL birth certificate and can attest to this.

There are those of you who would look at the real birth certificate and STILL claim that it’s false; so no matter WHAT anyone says you’re gonna cry “FOUL!!” So, have your sick, twisted, little fantasies. Waste your money on legal fees, (hey, as someone who’s studying law, I’d be more than happy to take your money — gotta pay those tuition fees); waste your sanity on a non-issue; cause, and get this, it’s all for NOTHING. Nothing is gonna change!!!

So cry, lament, bang your empty heads against the wall, scream at the wind; it doesn’t matter!! NOTHING is gonna change!!! But hey, I’d be more than happy to represent you once I get my law degree, (even though I’m studying to become a tax attorney); because lawyers’ gotta eat too!!!

Enjoy your madness!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ET4iIpDpo&feature=related

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http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog?start=1229785467

WND’s investigator is Jorge Baros, “the in-house senior investigator for Elite Legal Services, LLC, in Royal Palm Beach, Fla.” Interestingly, he appears to be a director of something called the Association of Christian Investigators. Baro also has apparent ties to a group called Godly Men of Integrity, a Georgia-based men’s ministry born out of the Promise Keepers.

It’s clear that Baro lacks a notable piece of integrity, because he buys into false right-wing conspiracy theories about the birth certificate:

“This raised the question in my mind as to whether the ‘Certification of Live Birth,’ which is the only document that has been produced and as previously stated solely handled by the representatives of factcheck.org outside Obama’s campaign, is a certification of a live birth or a late birth,” Baro stated in his affidavit.

“I am left with the conclusion that a simple request from Senator Barack Obama to produce the ‘long form’ (redacted if necessary) would end any speculation or question as to his birthplace,” Baro’s affidavit continued. “His continued denial to do so is suspect, in my professional opinion.”

Baro also pointed out that factcheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which “is at the center of the ongoing Obama-Bill Ayers controversy – hardly an unbiased source for information in my view.”

Neither Corsi nor Baro make mention of the fact that Walter Annenberg, whose money supported the foundation, was a prominent Republican )as we’ve noted). If Corsi and Baro want a less “unbiased source” for this claim, how about … WorldNetDaily?

A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.

Baro’s an private investigator, and he couldn’t find this? Maybe WND’s paying him to hush it up. That might explain why WND won’t talk about now.

Will WND disclose to its readers how much it’s paying Baro for such paltry results? If Baro is accepting money to further WND’s increasingly dishonest anti-Obama jihad, he can’t be much of a “Christian investigator,” can he?

P.S. If WND is so eager to hire private eyes to gather negative information on those who it perceives as its enemies — Corsi wrote that “Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu” — isn’t that unseemly for an alleged news organization? And does that mean that we’re next?

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Ken: But according to the State Dept website first time applicants for a U.S. Passport must “submit evidence of U.S. citizenship.” One has to be a citizen, and there are only two types of citizens — natural born (a citizen at birth) or naturalized (citizenship acquired through legal process after birth).

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tmkls – Yes, of course he has used his passport to travel (I don’t know how much he used it before becoming President, it may have been a long time). And I acknowledge that his CURRENT passport probably would not yield any decisive information about citizenship status, other than that he is a citizen per se (not how/when/under what circumstances).

I was thinking more of his passport when he was shuttling to Indonesia and then back to the USA.

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Again, at some point I would hope that, as a matter of simple logic, some of Mr. Obama’s defenders would wonder why every way of checking his citizenship has been made unavailable to us.

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But only “natural born” citizens are eligible, not “naturalized” citizens — Kissinger is a naturalized citizen but is ineligible to be President. Since there is no record of Obama having gone through a naturalization process to become a citizen, the only way he can be a citizen (which he had to prove to get a Passport) is to be a natural born citizen — i.e., born in the U.S. to at least one U.S. citizen parent.

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Clark – was there a point of some kind in there? Maybe a fact to dispute anything I said?

Your post is illustrative of what I’ve been shaking my head (and occasionally laughing out loud) about.

An exchange of views needs views from both sides. Your post begins and ends with sarcasm, no facts of any kind.

I hope for your sake that you do better than that in the real world.

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tmkls – I don’t know for sure how to answer you. The Certification of Live Birth may have been enough to get him the passport. That’s just a guess.

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Dammit! Guiliana is alas NOT a birther.

Dammit! Dammit! Dammit!

You birthers better start flooding his e-mail account.

Good Luck

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With one exception the comments that Ken Berwitz has made (and I have read) are accurate. McCain’s parents were not “naturalized” citizens they were in fact US citizens from birth. They were not foreign born; therefore, they did not require the naturalization process to become citizens. Both McCains’s father and grandfather were US Navy admirals.

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I’ve found that when someone says “I dispute all your facts” they aren’t saying anything. That usually is just a flip-off comment which substitutes for inability to put up a reasonable argument.

If Clark had any facts to dispute what I’m posting, do you doubt you’d see them? Instead he tosses out the invective (I’ll add “crazy” to the growing list) and that’s supposed to settle the issue.

Me, I prefer facts.

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DebbieDoRight,

Your reference to citizenships states “Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother”. Ken’s references “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock”. You do recognize the difference? Obama’s parents were married; therefore the “in Wedlock” provision (with the five year clause) applies. If he was born in Hawaii, neither applies. However, he would have been born with dual citizenship – the British (Kenya was a colony) have similar clauses about births abroad, and his father was very definitely of British not US citizenship.

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tnvret: DebbieDoRight, Your reference to citizenships states “Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother”. Ken’s references “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock”. You do recognize the difference? Obama’s parents were married; therefore the “in Wedlock” provision (with the five year clause) applies.

I picked that reference because his parents could not have been legally married if his father was already married to another woman. Unless of course, they were mormons.

If he was born in Hawaii, neither applies. However, he would have been born with dual citizenship – the British (Kenya was a colony) have similar clauses about births abroad, and his father was very definitely of British not US citizenship.

Yes, he would’ve been born with dual citizenship however at the age of 21 Kenyan law states that he had could not hold dual citizenship. So, at 21 he had the choice to denounce his American Citizenship (which he did not do), to become a Kenyan citizen. Therefore, from 21 to present he is NOT a citizen of Kenya. Kenya was freed from British Rule in 1963.

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Incidentally, two of my posts (one of which answers every “point” Clark tried to make in his “propeller head” post) are, for some reason that I can’t tell, still waiting to be moderated. I expect both will be visible at some point in the near future.

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tnvret: The real essence is how “natural born” is legally accepted.

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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Actually the reason someone is Democrat thanks to ‘more education’ is that they have been exposed to more liberal tripe than anyone else. Our public system is illegal and rife with bias and taken over by the Goalie 2000 crowd…instilling liberal values about Marxism.

Just look at the mess this creep Obama has made in just 120 days.. whew.

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The public (education?) system is illegal?

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What this birther thing is really about is the wack-job THEOCRATIC FASCIST Joseph Farah, his WND underlings and groupies spreading this disinformation.

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Key Birther Lawyer Was Disbarred … In 2004

http://washingtonindependent.com/51798/key-birther-lawyer-was-disbarred-in-2004

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Ken,

Buddy. You are the crazy wing of your party.

No-one in your party is really, save the radio wackos, sticking up for your silly opinions. I actually wish they would and you would bring a Senator down with you. So far they have been pretty quiet. Republicans, these days, have to twist themselves in knots to keep the nutty vote. It’s at least 30% of the party.

You, Ken, are a member of that 30% and you are dragging your party down.

Congratulations!

Good Luck

PS I’m am not going to spend my whole night refuting every idiotic point you make. Keep looking at borders, driving yourself crazy over 401k’s and paragraph 4, item 7, of the Hawwiaan(sp) citizenship code. It’s funny to watch a moron get blinded by the trees when their is a forrest burning down right in front of him.

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I’m back at my computer and I just saw the last two comments from Clark (who stayed up until 3AM eastern time, long after I was asleep, to post them).

Since they are loaded with insults and invective, and they make assumptions about me (party affiliation, what I think of the health care issue) that he doesn’t know a thing about, I won’t respond to them.

If he, or anyone else, wants a discussion of facts, I have no problem with that. But insults and assumptions (wrong, by the way: I’ve never registered with either party and vote for both Democrats and Republicans) are useless.

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I just thought of this one Kenny:

The “birther” movement is stillborn. Get it? Stillborn! Ba-dum-bum chee!

This is a tough crowd!

Good Luck

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Incidentally, for anyone here who cares, I don’t know about this “birther” thing. I’m someone with an opinion on an issue. I don’t belong to a group or cult or anything associated with this or any other issue.

It is a hallmark of people who don’t have very much intelligent to say, that they try to “classify” people into groups that they can then demonize. It’s a lot easier than trying to discuss facts.

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tmkls – it would not surprise me if the Certification of Live Birth was enough to generate a passport. That said, however, I don’t know for sure what the answer is.

But it still – and always – begs the question of why he will not make his actual birth certificate available. If it says what he claims it says, why in the world would this be any problem at all? Is there some secret about which hospital he was born in or what the doctor’s name is?

Common sense – not adherence to any group or philosophy, just plain common sense – tells me that if the birth certificate was what he claims, he’d have done so long ago, and the only reason he has not is that it isn’t what he claims.

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But then that means that the U.S. government accepts a certificate of live birth as sufficient evidence of citizenship. Someone has told me, however, the a CLB is not accepted by the State Dept, only a “certified birth certificate” (though I have not been able to verify this). If a CLB is not accepted, then other sufficient documentation must have been provided.

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Maybe I’m being a little unfair to you Ken. Let me see if I understand the jist of your argument.

You’re saying that Obama’s mama gave birth to him in Kenya, then went to Hawaii and pretended that his birth happened there. The problem that you have is not whether his mother was an American, she was, but that he, meaning baby Obama, was not born on American soil. So this is a soil problem. It’s not about the election, it is about soil. Kenyan soil.

Maybe his mother did do that. Who knows? Obama henchman faked his birth certificate, err, I’m sorry, Certificate of Live Birth, and is perpetratin’ a fraud. That Son Of A Bitch!

I’m with you Kenny Boy. I’m marchin’ to Washington, brother!

Good Luck

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Ken:

1. He has already proven to satisfaction of the US government that he is a citizen, and since there is not a single shred of evidence that he went through a naturalization process, the reasonable presumption is that he (or his mother) has already provided documentation that he is natural born citizen.

2. Releasing the “vault copy” (if that is what one calls it) will end nothing. You may be satisfied, but the internet and you-tube will be filled with charges of FAKE! FORGERY! It will NOT end the controversy.

3. I would not give a small minority of people who do not want me to be president anyway the satisfaction of caving into their demands. If he is legally required to show his full birth certificate, make a court order him to do so.

4. He wants the controversy to continue and consume the GOP because it makes the GOP base look silly to the vast majority of Americans.

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“It is a hallmark of people who don’t have very much intelligent to say, that they try to “classify” people into groups that they can then demonize.”

True, a conservative would NEVER classify or demonize anyone.

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Per John Stewert:

“Barack O’Bama is running the old Kenyan birth announcement scam. Here’s how it goes: You want to destroy America from the inside, but you can’t, because you’re a foreigner. So first you gotta find a good ole American willing to reproduce with you. Then you HAVE that child on foreign soil while simultaneously placing the birth announcement in one our “fringe” states local newspapers; your Hawaiis, your Alaskas, your Pennsylvanias. And then…and then…you wait until this baby is a middle-aged man. Now the trap is set! You just sit back and let that child win the election for president of the United States. Now here’s where the scam gets tricky: They can’t just win the popular vote, he’s also got to win the electoral college—that’s what trips up most grifters. But if you pull it off, you and your puppet child can just sit back and destroy the fabric of the country you hate so much. It’s almost too easy.”

Good Luck

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Clark:

Glad you enjoyed Stewart’s comedy as well. Given the subject, he surely had a lot to work with!

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