This birther nonsense becoming a big problem for the GOP
Here’s Mike Castle, a Republican congressman from Delaware, trying to deal with the birther nonsense at a town hall meeting back on June 30. It really gets a little spooky when the woman hijacks the meeting with an impromptu demand for the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s hard to imagine a more vivid example of how easily false patriotism can trump reason and common sense.
Apparently, CNN’s Lou Dobbs — always on the lookout these days for a fringe issue to ride — is also jumping on the bandwagon.
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GreenJeans
July 21st, 2009
4:33 pm
Please.
If there was a “there” there, you think Ah-nold wouldn’t have dogged it already?
So President Obama is playing the same “make me” game as the rest. He’s working the birthers into a lather just like President GW Bush did with the proofers. Big deal.
I wonder how many underfed, undereducated, underclothed, underfillintheblank folks in our world could really use some of the energy wasted on this issue in this forum alone.
Peace.
Trust me
July 21st, 2009
4:42 pm
Trust me – what documents did Barack Obama present that prove his citizenship?
Everything as required by the laws of this nation.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
4:46 pm
Ken: Debbie – You don’t hate, you just refer to all Republicans as “Repuglicans” (i.e. repugnant). Do you ever read what you type?
Yeah; but I really didn’t think you’d catch on that fast OR understand what I wrote. Sorry!
And Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle did not state that she had seen Mr. Obama’s birth certificate and that it was valid. What she actually did do was put it under seal, so that no one but Barack Obama could get their hands on it.
SHE VERIFIED it’s authenticity!!!!!! How can you misconstrue THAT!?!? See, THAT’s why I didn’t think you catch on to the repuglican thinggyyyy………..
I can’t speak for her motives (nor can you). But let’s not confuse hiding the document with speaking for its validity.
Sigh. She NEVER sealed his birth certificate!! That’s another “conspiracy theory” lie that’s going around!! Good try though……
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http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
Here’s a quote from one of the Head Honchos in Hawaii back in 2008: “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
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From the Hawaiian STar Bulletin:
http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/2009/06/
No smoking gun
Saturday, June 6th, 2009
By B.J. Reyes
Message to the Birthers:
For all of those who are supporting the “Where’s the birth certificate” campaign, there’s a reason why the “long-form birth certificate” that is being sought has not been produced.
It doesn’t exist.
Not for President Barack Obama, not for anyone born in Hawaii.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
In other words, the document posted online during the campaign is all you’re going to get.
Not that this will put an end to the conspiracy theories, but at least maybe the White House won’t have to deal with any more inquiries.
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Of course, all these people are LYING………for some reason, and no one yet knows why, they just KNOW that there is a cover up!! Oh well….what can you say
Below is my favorite Dubya sound bite!!! Enjoy!! Go DUBYA!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KogebxJkHig&NR=1
Trust me
July 21st, 2009
4:53 pm
Just to make things “fair”, I think that we should let Arnold run for President in 2016.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
4:55 pm
OMG I gotta go to class but Ken, vbk and a few others, (especially Church Lady — I got my best laugh all day from you!!); I’ll log on again after class and read your responses.
And in the words of a great american, Dubya, “This was said in Tennessee or maybe in Texas, I think it’s Texas or Tennessee……fool me once…..(long pause)…………fool me once..(longer pause) ….well, you just can’t fool again”.
Good night Seattle!!!
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
4:55 pm
Trust Me – that’s no answer. What – specifically – did he provide? We know he did not provide the vault copy of his birth certificate. So what was it?
It amazes me that people will just say things like that, absent any facts of any kind, and think it ends the issue.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 21st, 2009
4:56 pm
Here’s a “premature” uh, er, whatever-
PRINCETON, NJ — As the debate over healthcare reform intensifies, the latest USA Today/Gallup poll finds that more Americans disapprove (50%) than approve (44%) of the way U.S. President Barack Obama is handling healthcare policy. There is a tremendous partisan gap in these views, with 74% of Democrats but only 11% of Republicans approving. Independents are more likely to disapprove than to approve of Obama’s work on healthcare.
Crash and burn, socialists, crash and burn.
Cheryl
July 21st, 2009
5:06 pm
I hope the birthers keep screaming–it’ll keep the GOP in disarray.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
5:06 pm
Debbie – Linda Lingle says she didn’t seal it as well. However, in the same letter, she assures us that, without Barack Obama’s sayso we can’t ever see it. Here are her exact words:
Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle’s office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is false.
Under Hawai‘i’s state law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor’s office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai’i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.
Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:
etc.
So if you want to rest on the technicality that she didn’t seal it, and distinguish it from the fact that she states unequivocally that we can’t see it, be my guest. Either way the result is the same.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
5:12 pm
The point here is that in order for Barack Obama to constitutionally be eligible for the office of President he must fulfill specific citizenship requirements. He has never provided proof that he fulfilled them. And our wonderful “neutral” media have not demanded it from him.
Compare that with the congressional hearings that took place to determine if John McCain, born on US Territory (in the Panama Canal zone) was legally able to be President. They didn’t look the other way for him, did they?
And compare it to the years (literally) of research so many in the media invested to “prove” that George Bush missed a few national guard meetings 35 years before – as if it meant anything about anything.
They would go to the wall for that, but not a peep out of them about the fact that Barack Obama has effectively stonewalled proof of his eligibility to be President.
Then they wonder why people call them biased.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
5:17 pm
Though Debbie is presumably not here anymore, the answer to her quote from Dr. Fukino is that it does not in any way claim that the birth certificate proves Mr. Obama’s eligibility to be President – only that they are holding the original version (irrespective of what it says). Read the words again and see for yourself.
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
Number1Ninja
July 21st, 2009
5:39 pm
Really? When did paranoid racist lunacy become news fodder? God I need a drink…
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
5:40 pm
Sinclair Lewis:
When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a Cross
Actually, this woman is carrying a flag and probably burns the Cross with her fellow KKK’ers
JoeB
July 21st, 2009
5:41 pm
Hussein should ask the teleprompter where his birth certificate is, since Obama can’t speak a coherent sentence without it.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
5:43 pm
Number1Ninja – Paranoid racist lunacy? Wow.
Is that what you say when you don’t have facts to respond with?
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
5:44 pm
Rick Sanchez Takes On Obama “Birther” Movement (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/rick-sanchez-takes-on-oba_n_242261.html
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
6:02 pm
This is getting tedious:
John Bryans Fontaine: I just watched the beginning of the Rick Sanchez video. He is NOT reading Barack Obama’s birth certificate, he is reading from the Certification of Live Birth. As pointed out before, from 1911 to 1972, a child could receive this “birth certificate regardless of whether there was any proof he was born in Hawaii.
This is not proof of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be President. The vault copy of his birth certificate might be, but he has moved heaven and earth to prevent you, me or anyone else from seeing it.
Why do you suppose he would do that?
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
6:04 pm
Actually, since Jay Bookman’s title calls this “nonsense”, maybe he would like to answer why Mr. Obama will not allow his original birth certificate to be viewed?
The last time I checked, there were no nuclear bomb secrets in a birth certificate, just basic information about the person’s birth. But Barack Obama has spent upwards of a million dollars in legal fees (and counting) to prevent it from seeing the light of day.
Why do you suppose, Jay?
get a clue
July 21st, 2009
6:10 pm
maybe that “real” birth certificate is with a certain former “war” president’s DD 214.
Lori
July 21st, 2009
6:11 pm
Wow…didn’t know that there were so many know it all a**holes in this world. You all are so sure of yourselves. The “birthers” are only a small number of people questioning O’s citizenship. Over half of the lawyers representing suits against O are Clinton supporters, not right wingnut Republicans. One lawsuit doesn’t even mention the birth certificate — only that fact that Obama (admittently) was BRITISH at birth, per the British Nationality Law of 1942 and his Father’s citizenship (his mother was not old enough to pass on any US citizenship). This is not a “birther” notion — but something everyone should be interested in.
KansasGirl
July 21st, 2009
6:19 pm
The left wishes this was nonsense.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
6:28 pm
Holocaust Shooter Von Brunn was a “Birther”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsm2pLWS5TQ
Ironic how often Neocons wind up on the same side as Nazis
Number1Ninja
July 21st, 2009
6:28 pm
OF course it is Ken. If you don’t get that then you porbably have it to. If you don’t get why it’s an insult to the president after being approved by all proper legal channels to unseal his private documents just to appease a fringe who has used every veiled codespeak way to paint him as “not one of us” (which ain’t fooling anybody, by the way), then you’re probably too far gone already. Just do us a favor and keep it to yourselves.
Number1Ninja
July 21st, 2009
6:35 pm
“Ironic how often Neocons wind up on the same side as Nazis”
It’s not ironic at all, this is classic reactionary behavior. Americans are pretty lazy for the most part though, so this will just die out before it gets really dangerous.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm
I see. To expect verification of his citizenship status makes me a racist, a lunatic AND a nazi sympathizer too.
You need a lot more logic and a lot less hate.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
7:06 pm
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
There was also a birth announcement in the Hawaii Star Bulletin
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Oh yeah, WND, Alan Keyes and James Von Brunn are real bastions of Logic, and the far right is a 24/7 Hate machine.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
8:06 pm
make that :
the far right is Not a 24/7 Hate machine. Except for American Dad
Former Southend Boy
July 21st, 2009
8:12 pm
And these right wing nutjobs would probably have no problem amending the constitution so naturalized citizens(AH-nold)could run for president in the future. Just a thought….
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
8:16 pm
Why can’t the conspiracy theorists provide any evidence that Obama’s mother was living in Kenya in August of 1961??
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
8:45 pm
Actually, Barack Obama’s grandmother has said that she was there when he was born. In Kenya. Is she correct? I don’t know, I wasn’t there (any more than you were). But it seems to me that the paternal grandmother making this claim qualifies as evidence.
Any other names you’d like to call me?
Doug
July 21st, 2009
9:04 pm
The real question should be why didn’t McCain have to prove he was a real American Citizen? He wasn’t born in the United States, He was born in Japan well his parents where stationed overseas…..so why is his birth certificate excepted as fact? If you’ve ever read the constitution, it states, that in order for someone to become a canidate for the presidency, then they must be NATURAL born citizens (born ON US soil). McCain, wasn’t born in America….but he’s white and republican…so that makes it okay?
The only reason this debate is even going on in the first place is 1. People hate democrats so much they can’t stand the idea of a democrat being in office, or 2. They hate black people so much, they can’t stand the idea of a black man being in office. Thats it, there should be no other reason for this argument. If you have a problem with an elected offical, it sould be over his policies, not over skin color or place of birth–cause everything being said about Obama, can be said about McCain.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
9:12 pm
Which is why Obama’s grandmother posted the announcment of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
And also in the Hawaii Star Bulletin
Or were these part of the “conspiracy”?
Where is your link to her saying that he was born in Kenya?
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
9:16 pm
Doug = I’m sorry to bust your bubble but John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone – which was U.S. soil. And, actually, there was controversy over whether John McCain was legally eligible to be President and the possibility of mounting a challenge to that eligibility was discussed at a congressional hearing. It was determined that, apart from his being born on what is considered US soil, both of his parents are naturalized citizens, which ended the issue right there (as it would have for Barack Obama).
I’m embarrassed for people like you who, in the course of claiming to decry hatred, display so much of it yourself. For the record, I don’t hate Democrats, I don’t hate Black people and I don’t give White Republicans preference over anyone else. But you just pump out those charges without thinking twice about it. Based on what? Based on nothing.
You should take a good, long look in a mirror.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
9:19 pm
John Bryans Fontaine: There are many, and you use google to find them. But here are two: http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/obamas-grandmother-banned-by-the-kenya-police-from-giving-interviews-that-may-jeopardise-obamas-presidential-victory-on-november-4th/ and http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074.
Again, these are just two, randomly picked from many other links.
mike
July 21st, 2009
9:29 pm
“um. how many Dem rallies have you seen hijacked like the video shows above”
Um, plenty. Whether it is on the Bill Maher show or Rosie O’Donnell ranting.
“and how many leading Dem blogs have been hijacked by the issue.”
As many as leading GOP blogs have been hijacked by the issue.
“the 9/11ers really are fringe … the Dems know how to deal with them – deny their oxygen”
Nonsense. They get elected as Democrat Congressmen, like Cynthia McKinney.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 21st, 2009
9:36 pm
OBAMA’S BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Bill
July 21st, 2009
9:38 pm
The birther point about O’s laws being invalid if he is not a US citizen may be incorrect. Much like what happened with George W, once the electorial congress anoints a president, its a done deal, no matter what facts come out. If the birthers are right, impeachment may come, but laws signed while he was legally president (as in he was certified by EC) are valid. This is one of the reasons Cook has no case with the army.
Clark
July 21st, 2009
9:51 pm
The birth certificate coupled with the newspaper announcements are convincing. (Surely this huge cover-up did not start the week he was born?!?)
But I’ll suggest that Obama WANTS this controversy. It keeps pushing conservatives further and further to right, alienating them from reasonable people, painting the whole conservative movement as mental defectives. Now if Dick Cheney would just come out and say he thinks the birth certificate is fishy….
As a Democrat, I LOVE this fight.
Good Luck
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
9:54 pm
It’s pointless to try to discuss this when no matter how many times you point out that this was not Barack Obama’s birth certificate, they just keep saying it over and over again anyway, like parrots.
What Barack Obama produced for us is a Certification of Live Birth (COLB). Not a birth certificate. There is a birth certificate that is under lock and key in Hawaii. That is the one he has spent untold sums to prevent us from seeing.
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The straight line issue here is why Mr. Obama will not allow his actual birth certificate to be seen. And no one seems to have an answer to that question, other than snide sarcasms and personal attacks.
Shelby Holter
July 21st, 2009
9:59 pm
Don’t these nuts realize that you can be a U.S. citizen without being born in the U.S.? My oldest son was born in Europe. He is a U.S. citizen because I am a U.S. citizen. Obama’s mother was clearly a U.S. citizen. What would be the benefit of altering his birth place?
Doug
July 21st, 2009
10:02 pm
Ken- First off, thank you for correcting me. And your right, it wasn’t polite of me to lump all ‘birthers’ into one group. But sadly, all I can see when I hear about this is racism. You guys talk like there is some giant conspiracy going on, when there isn’t, and I can’t get a straight answer from someone on WHY this makes such a big deal to people, other then the fact that he is black, or that he is democrat. So when the majority of the people supporting your group can only give me hateful answer, it gives me the impression that most of you are hate-filled. And believe it or not, we are all racist. We all have preceived notions of what people from other races and cultures are like, and we usually project that onto a person before every getting to know it (you do it, I do it, we all do it).
And you proved my point for me. The same group that had to apporved McCain to run, had to approve Obama as well. Same thing with any other individual who wished to run for president. And as much as it sickens some, he’s the president now. Get over it. He ain’t going anywhere for another three and a half years.
Clark
July 21st, 2009
10:04 pm
Right on Ken!
So far every well known conservative radio host, the real power of the GOP, has expressed doubts, and the congressman on Hardball twisted himself in knots sort-of defending the “Birthers”. (Or do you call yoursef “Birthies”?)
You are running your party right over cliff with silliness. I LOVE it.
Good Luck
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
10:06 pm
Doug – I don’t even know where to begin here. I don’t belong to any group, I am an individual with an individual opinion. I don’t claim there is a conspiracy, I claim that Barack Obama is moving heaven and earth to prevent us from seeing his actual birth certificate – which he is. And I would challenge you to show me any “hateful” answer I’ve given here. I assure you I can show plenty I’ve gotten, including your based-on-nothing conclusion that if I challenge Barack Obama that somehow means I’m racist. If I challenge Chuck Schumer amd I an anti-Semite? If I challenge Dick Cheney am I against bald guys? Where does this end? And how do I get you to understand how facilely you spew hatred – even as you appear to think you’re the one NOT doing it?
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
10:09 pm
Shelby – Barack Obama’s father was not a citizen and – if Barack Obama were born outside the USA (which is the issue here), his mother did not meet the legal requirements for him to be a naturalized citizen. She did not live within the US enough years after her 14th birthday (I’m working from memory here – it had to be either 5 or ten years — not that it would be relevant since she had him at the age of 18)
Clark
July 21st, 2009
10:25 pm
“The straight line issue here is why Mr. Obama will not allow his actual birth certificate to be seen.”
I’ve given you my theory– he likes watching the GOP acting goofy. It helps him. (And really, is there some kind of super-birth-certificate? My Pennsylvania birth certificate kind of looks like his and I only have one.)
But in all seriousness, it sounds hugely implausible that two local newspapers from the time would announce his birth as in Oahu, unless he was born in Oahu. But, of course, we can’t rule out that he has been raised since birth as a “Manchurian Candidate”.
Good Luck
Doug
July 21st, 2009
10:40 pm
Ken- It seems like you have the impression that I’m trying to argue. I’m not. I never accused you of being anything (after reading my last post, I can see how you got that impression, sorry for that, I really could of phrased it better). The point I was trying to make with that, was that, not one of these official ‘birthers’ can give me a legitament reason for why I should care about this issue at all (other then a political (i.e. he’s a democrat) or racial (i.e. he’s black) reason). I actually respect the fact that you can debate this issue without resorting to name calling or other childish behavior (which is more then I can say for a majority of the poster here–democrat or republican).
Again, I was in no why trying to call YOU a racist, or start a stupid argument over the internet. For that I am sorry.
Jay
July 21st, 2009
10:48 pm
To Mike:
You reject the claim that Democrats deny oxygen to their fringe candidates, such as those who claimed Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11.
“Nonsense,” you write. “They get elected as Democrat Congressmen, like Cynthia McKinney.”
Uh, Mike?
Cynthia McKinney was defeated in 2002, and in the Democratic primary no less, precisely because she started spouting crazy stuff.
Somebody who wasn’t blinded by partisanship would probably remember that.
tmkls
July 21st, 2009
10:51 pm
Of course, once the real birth certificate is releases there will be “experts” claiming it a forgery, arguing that it was produced by Obama agents and his minions in Hawaii either went along with the fraud or were intimidated by Obama’s thugs into going along. That is way these theories. The woman who spoke in the video above did not question whether Obama was a NBC…she said she knew he was not. Nothing…nothing will convice the birthers otherwise.
tmkls
July 21st, 2009
10:54 pm
If I were Obama, I would let the birthers play havoc with Republican politics and then produce the certificate.
Stacy
July 21st, 2009
10:57 pm
If this was just a single nutjob then it would be one thing but the reaction from the crowd is what shows this is not an isolated feeling.
Clark
July 21st, 2009
11:30 pm
tmkls- I agree with you. He could photocopy the back of the certificate, which apparently has the stamp and signature, but he hasn’t and I think that’s on purpose. The louder these “Birthies” shout the better he likes it.
But the bigger problem the party has is that the wacky dittoheads they cultivated for the last 25 years or so have taken over the asylum. They can’t offend this mob because they are now their only reliable voting bloc. Fighting the Dixie Chicks worked for them, this doesn’t. (Incidentally Liz Cheney has come out supporting the “Birthies”! Wow!)
Anyway, the bigger winner in all this is Rush Limbaugh. Heads he wins, tails you lose.
Good Luck
thenekkidtruth
July 21st, 2009
11:42 pm
There’s nutcases, and then there’s nutcases, but there’s *never* been anything close to this. And it’s beginning to go mainstream – Lou Dobbs? Puleeeeze . . . .
Here’s the deal, birthers . . . the birth announcement was published in the Honolulu paper in 1961. End of story. You can’t go back 45 years an fake something in the past, so yep, “Barry’s” a citizen. Anyway, if mom was a US citizen, Barack would be one too, regardless of where he was born. Which was Hawaii, beyond any doubt, anyway.
But please, whatever you do, don’t listen to me. Please! If you wanted a class of liars, losers, reprobates and America haters to disappear, a better neutron bomb couldn’t possibly be imagined. Birth on, birthers! Then enjoy your extinction . . . .
John Bryans Fontaine
July 22nd, 2009
12:04 am
thenekkidtruth is irrefutably right!!! If not one, but two Hawaiian newspapers confirmed Obama’s August 1961 birth, it’s case closed!!!
John Bryans Fontaine
July 22nd, 2009
12:05 am
PS
OBAMA’S BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Clark
July 22nd, 2009
12:08 am
Of course there are nutcases in the Democratic party. But the only “Truthers” I can think of off the top of my head are Rosie O’Donnell, Charlie Sheen and a half-drunk guy I met at a bar. Not exactly Democratic power brokers.
Didn’t Bill Maher, a reliable lefty, nearly punch the lights out of a truther?
The new breed of Republican cowers to their fringe elements. Watching that house Republican squirm today on Hardball was sad. He was trying to navigate a course between sanity and the “Birthers”. He fell off that tight-rope. Splat!
Good Luck
kr
July 22nd, 2009
12:10 am
The Birthers, Sarah Palin, anti science, etc…. Want to know why us Independents increasingly dislike the Rep party?
It is the party of ignorance, intolerance, racism, and religion.
He has proven his citizenship to any reasonable person. His mother was a US citizen. He was born in Hawaii. I can’t believe I used to call myself a Republican. I thought the Dem party was where the idiots go but now it is clear that they are most at home in what used to be the Rep party. Serious Reps like Chuck Hagel are no longer welcome. Nice party.
KenW
July 22nd, 2009
12:20 am
Yall talk about a socalled long form. One person even talked about different types of Hawaiian Birth Certificates. Can any of you give the state ordanance from Hawaii that governs birth certificate, or are all of you making this up out of whole clothe?
KenW
July 22nd, 2009
12:27 am
incase anyone is interested in the truth, Hawaii does not issue a certificate of birth for another area of the country as was suggested by a Republican earlier. ALL, as in ALL states only issue reports for their own state. As Hawaii law says “Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health. In Hawaii, access to vital records is restricted by statute (HRS §338-18).
Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs.”
Goodbye Blue Monday » Blog Archive » it’s unfamiliar all of a sudden; more white guy stuff
July 22nd, 2009
12:30 am
[...] and the notion of cold, dead hands makes my blood run….cold…..while the “birthers” rail on, white guys (and gals) “who want their country back,” add The [...]
Politically Incorrect
July 22nd, 2009
12:37 am
Time to hurt some feelings. I tend to use the term quite loosely because I can. Republican/Conservatives are TERRORISTS. Unfathomable to witness the depth of ignorance people stoop to in the year 2009 A.D. And, yes we can reduce it to race in this country. Though great strides have been made towards equality, the disparity is of existential proportions. Can’t a brotha’ get a break?
KenW
July 22nd, 2009
12:40 am
obviously, Ken Berwittz does not know the law
AXJ
July 22nd, 2009
1:27 am
She is right you know. Where is the birth certicate? Published on the AXJ forums around the world: http://www.axjus.com
MsLady
July 22nd, 2009
1:43 am
Don’t you birthers believe that if there was any “there” there, that Hilliary (in her relentless pursuit of power during the campaign) or the not-so-powerful-afterall GOP polital machine would have uncovered some legitimate challenge BEFORE America elected this man to be our President?
Don’t look now birther losers but your Cro-magnon like mouth is hanging open again. DOH!
jer mynor
July 22nd, 2009
2:30 am
The trouble here is that the obommers are to damn lazy to do their own reading on subjects as serious as this….I am an Independent, but it amazes me how those who voted for obama just Dont even
remember the saying that there are two sides to every story,…all they can see is their own way of thinking, and thats it…..duh !
This in a small way proves that they are coo-coo. if you hold your hand out palm up, look at it….you see a hand palm ,but it is still a hand, if you turn it over viewing the back side of your hand, it is still a hand, BUT, with a different viewpoint, and as it goes “THERE IS ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO ANY STORY”, so why the stupid argument that just your side is correct.
A C.O.L.B. IS (NOT) A BIRTH CERTIFICATE….HELLO…ANYBODY HOME IN THERE….
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU SHALL (PROVE YOU ARE ELIGIBLE) AND A COLB IS (NOT) ANY PROOF AT ALL…..
I AM A SHERIFF, IF I STOPPED YOU FOR A TRAFFIC TICKET, AND YOU HANDED ME A STATE I.D. CARD ( FOR YOUNGER PERSONS), I WOULD WRITE YOU A TICKET FOR (NOT) HAVING A PROPER DR. LIC. FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A PROPER DRIVING LICENSE
OBAMA HAS ONLY OFFERED A STATE I.D. CARD…..NOT A REAL DRIVERS LIC, SAME AS HE HAS DONE FOR HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE…NOT WHAT IS REQUIRED…..IF HE PRESENTED HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, INSTEAD OF A COLB, HE WOULD BE OUSTED IN A HURRY, BECAUSE BY HIS OWN WORDS “MY FATHER WAS A KENYAN,” IN HIS CAIRO SPEECH. LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE…..
THAT RIGHT THERE MAKES HIM “IN-ELIGIBLE” BECAUSE HE ADMITS HE HAS A FATHER THAT IS NOT, NOR EVER WAS A CITIZEN OF THE U.S…….
TO BE “NATURAL-BORN” YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST ONE PARENT THAT (WAS) A U.S. CITIZEN AND HAS LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A PERIOD OF 16 YEARS, AND IN ORDER TO CONFER CITIZENSHIP ON BARACK ON A CHILD THAT IS 5 YEARS OLDER THAT HER AGE =21…..SHE WAS (ONLY) 14 AT HIS BIRTH, PLUS THE 5 YEARS REQUIRED, THAT WOULD MAKE HER ONLY 19 AND (NOT) EVEN CLOSE TO CONFERING U.S. CITIZENSHIP ON HIM…..
SO,….WISE UP FROGS, YOU ARE NOT EVEN AS CLOSE TO KNOWING WHAT IN THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT….
YES, I REALIZE THAT ITS TOUGH BEING WRONG, SO INSTEAD OF TAKING ALL OF US “BIRTH-NUTS” WORD FOR IT , GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND DO YOUR OWN SEARCHING……
START WITH GOOGLE AND LOOK UP OBAMA’S CAIRO SPEECH,ELEVEN PARAGRAPHS DOWN FROM THE START, AND YOU WILL READ THE KILLER TRUTH, “MY FATHER WAS A KENYAN,” ERGO: OBAMA CANNOT BE “NATURAL-BORN” AND THEREFORE CAN NEVER BE THE LEGAL PRES. OF THE U.S.
IN YOUR FAVOR, THE SUPREME COURT DOES (NOT) KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS “USURPER” SITUATION, AS THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL WAY TO “UN-DUE” ALL OF THIS, AND OBAMA IS RUSHING TO GET ALL OF HIS ISLAMIC IDEAS FOR SOCIALISM ON US, BEFORE SOMEBODY FIGURES IT OUT…..CONGRESS CAN IMPEACH HIM FOR A CRIME OF TREASON, FRAUD OR FELONY MIS-DEMEANORS, BUT ……..SO FAR HER HOLINESS NANNY PELOSI WILL NOT MAKE A MOVE….HER “PAY-OFF” MUST HAVE BEEN “HUGE”……………
Jonathan Taylor
July 22nd, 2009
2:51 am
Give me A BREAK!! President elects are HIGHLY vetted before they become presidents folks. They are scrupulously gone over (all their records) by the FBI! There is no way they would hide something so obvious as this! That crazy (evangelical like) woman needs to get a life! I think most people say these things because they are obviously rather racist and bigoted. GET OVER IT! He is our first African American president, so get on with your life and be more positive.
Jonathan Taylor
July 22nd, 2009
2:54 am
REPUBS, GET A LIFE STOP SAYING NO NO NO!!! Start saying I will help this country, not hate it!
Jonathan Taylor
July 22nd, 2009
2:57 am
Dubya RUINED!! this Country! It will take years to get us out of this hell were living in. However we now have a BRIGHT president who will TRY!
Doug K
July 22nd, 2009
4:18 am
The discussion is about BO’s birth certificate – why bring “W” into the conversation? I do not get it.
Doug K
July 22nd, 2009
4:27 am
We all agree that BO is president. We must learn to live with that – he is charming and a much better speaker than either of our last several presidents but his policies are problematic. They are to me as they are too European (read socialist) for this old man.
Clark
July 22nd, 2009
5:25 am
For the record:
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Liz Cheney, Micheal Savage are pro birthers, although Lou Dobbs position seems to come more from stupidity than conviction. ( BTW, Michael Savage’s website is something to behold. Does he always beg for money so cravenly!?!)
Bill O’Reilly and Michelle Malkin are overt anti-birthers, with unequivocal statements saying so. I suspect Pat Buchanan is also anti-birther but I’m not sure on this.
Glenn Beck seems to be avoiding the issue overtly. His website has pro-birther articles on it, but that doesn’t neccesarily reflect his views.
Laura Ingraham is on vacation this week, but I haven’t heard her say much on this issue. My guess is that she is not a “birther”.
FWIW.
Good Luck
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
7:40 am
obviously, Ken Berwittz does not know the law
Sorry I didn’t answer this sooner. There’s this little issue of a night’s sleep……
Actually I do know the law. And I quoted it earlier. What YOU don’t know is that from 1911 to 1972 (Law of the Territories, Act 96) a child could be given a valid birth certificate in Hawaii without proof that he/she was born there.
And to the guy who keeps bringing up the birth announcements: What does that prove other than that someone, preumably in the family, wanted to announce the birth. Those announcements do not say where the birth took place, do they?
Trying to reason with people who “know” they’re right is frustrating.
I don’t know for sure where Barack Obama was born. What I do know is that no one else here knows either because he is making dead certain that we don’t get a peek at what would conclusively tell us the answer. And if that doesn’t make you suspicious, I don’t know how to reason with you.
Trust me
July 22nd, 2009
7:54 am
Ken Berwitz,
You and others with your mind set have made it exceedingly clear that you do not accept the laws of this land and the laws of the individual states as laws that you will be governed by. Most of us understand that, given your insistence that your demands be met because the laws of the land are not good enough for you. Well, write you Congressman, file a frivolous lawsuit, run for office, get elected and push for changes that satisfy you and your constituency. Go for it. There are no laws holding you back. In fact, I’m glad to hear that you and your brethren have nothing more pressing in life to deal with. Our economy, etc., must really be looking up.
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
8:09 am
trustme’s comment is exactly what is so frustrating about trying to argue an issue like this on facts.
Out of nowhere, based on nothing, I “do not accept the laws of the land”, and then there are the standard snide sarcasms to go with it.
My problem is that I very much DO accept the laws of the land, and want serious proof that they are being obeyed.
But when you’re making it up as you go along, you can say anything, can’t you?
John Bryans Fontaine
July 22nd, 2009
8:48 am
Ken Berwitz:
Your casuistry is getting more obvious and desperate with each of your posts. In your latest, you neglect to mention that Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama’s address, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, is listed in both newspaper announcements.
Karen
July 22nd, 2009
8:52 am
as a resident of delaware i would like to apologize for the unfortunate incident that occurred in what we refer to as lower, slower. In reality they just discover fire in that part of the state! This obviously a case in which the person involved feels that this conspiracy start in august of 1961 when it was decided that this baby born to a white American women and an black African man was chosen to be president (cause that is how these thing are decided) so from that time forward the state of Hawaii, the us government and every person who has known barack obama including his opponents in every election has taken part in. Or could it be that white some white Americans just cant deal with a black man as their leader.
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
9:21 am
To JBF – Now I’m desperate? Ok. I’ll add that to the pile.
I know the address that was listed in the notice. I also know that there are people there – notably the next-door neighbor, who has been there since before 1961 – who say that they have no remembrance at all of the Obamas living there. That doesn’t trouble you?
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To Karen – Since Mr. Obama’s place of birth was not a constitutional issue for any office he held until the Presidency, you have no point. But your offhanded assumption that to challenge Mr. Obama’s eligibility must be race-related is beneath contempt. And you’re far from the only one who has made this same baseless, offensive attack.
If I don’t like Barack Obama’s cap and trade legislation, or don’t like who he picked for a cabinet post, is that racial too?
I wish you would see yourself as you are. I have not – and would not – use Barack Obama’s race as any issue at all here. Nobody asked me, but since I’ve seen the charge so many times, I will tell you that, regardless of his eligibility, I was thrilled that a Black man won the Presidency because of what it says about the USA.
If you want to find racism, look for people who ignore any points being made, and reflexively jump straight to race as if it is 100% of everything. Which of us is doing that?
roninwai
July 22nd, 2009
9:39 am
wow. it saddens me to think that some ppl seriously believe that a man could get elected to the Presidency without citizenship. Why the frenzy now AFTER he wins? I just finished watching a Fox and Friends segment where Brian Kilmeade complains that Americans “keep marrying other species and other ethnics–”. Racism and bigotry are dead right? Right?! If nuts like Brian Kilmeade are allowed to speak on national tv and say ish like this there;s got to be a significant minority who think the same. The same people who are freaking out about Obama but raised no issue abour rhe fact that McCai was born in the Panama Canal Free Zone.
roninwai
July 22nd, 2009
9:40 am
*sorry for the typos… i had hand surgery and can only type with one hand lol*
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
9:43 am
This is like talking to a brick wall.
The “frenzy” started at least a half year BEFORE the election. It was mostly ignored by mainstream media then and (though a few venues are very belatedly starting to talk about it) now as well.
And John McCain’s legal eligibility to be President not only was an issue, but generated congressional discussion and the possibility that he would be challenged on that basis – even though both his parents are naturalized citizens and the hospital he was born in was considered to be on U.S. Soil.
What Brian Kilmeade has to do with any of this I don’t know.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 22nd, 2009
9:47 am
Ken Berwitz:
Actually, what troubles me is that you provide no proof of the next door neighbor ( names, links, anything ), just more casuistry. And with such great evidence supposedly on your side, you wait till now to bring that you know about said individuals??
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
10:02 am
Oh brother
I put tha up already. But I’ll put up the link here – again.
When someone doesn’t want to know something, they don’t want to know it. Which is why I’m about finished trying to talk here. I find myself repeating the same things over and over again – not because they’re being challenged factually, but because somehow they aren’t being seen, no matter how many times I type them out.
One of the various web sites which contain this information (not the only one by any means) is: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851
And here is the beginning of what it says:
A private investigator has released to WND an affidavit that casts doubt on whether Barack Obama’s family lived at the address listed in the published notice of his birth in 1961.
Jorge Baro was hired by WND to investigate issues related to Obama’s birth amid allegations the Democrat does not meet the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”
Baro’s affidavit documents an interview his staff conducted with Beatrice Arakaki, who has lived at 6075 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu since before Obama was born.
The affadivit is at the center of a federal lawsuit filed prior to the November election in Hattiesburg, Miss., before U.S. District Judge Keith Starrett. The suit is one of several yet to be adjudicated that calls for proof of Obama being a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution.
Baro is the in-house senior investigator for Elite Legal Services, LLC, in Royal Palm Beach, Fla.
In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
Arakaki told Baro’s investigators she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.
Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu to explore records regarding current residents of Kalanianaole Highway and to track down residents back to 1961.
Baro’s investigators were unable to locate any current or past resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall Obama or his family living at the address listed in the Sunday Advertiser announcement.
Alicia Brandt
July 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
Neocon Republicans are the sorest, sorriest losers who have no shame or dignity about it at all.
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
11:13 am
Hey Ken!! Happy Wednesday to ya!!! (PS: That statement is filled with hate — BEWARE!!)
From Ken: Trying to reason with people who “know” they’re right is frustrating.
I’ll say!!! Just like you just KNOW you’re correct huh?
I don’t know for sure where Barack Obama was born.
H-A-W-A-I-I
What I do know is that no one else here knows either because he is making dead certain that we don’t get a peek at what would conclusively tell us the answer.
He did. You just choose not to believe it.
I don’t know how to reason with you.
Me either!! I once told Chris S., (a poster on this blog); that even if the entire medical team who delivered Obama, (the nurses, doctors, etc.); were still alive and were to verify they were there at his birth, his dead parents AND grandparents came back from the dead and verified his birth in Hawaii, you guys would STILL refute it!!! Dang!! I’m good!! ‘Cause I was incredibly right!!!
PS: Why don’t the birthers pull Stanley Ann’s passport records and see if, as you claim, she did indeed travel to Kenya in August of 1961 or even July or June? That’ll at least prove HALF of your point!! Your assertion that Stanley Anne could not have possibly have given her citizenship to Obama because she wasn’t old enough is rubbish and you know it. Children born of US citizens abroad ARE in fact US Citizens!!! Now, they CAN claim dual citizenship if they’d like, there are no records anywhere where Obama did this; but they are DEFINITELY US CITIZENS!! Duh!!!
PSS: Those links that you gave above are not credible NEWS or FACTUAL sites. They are basically right wing theorists blogs. Show me a credible link, (like i showed you) THEN we’ll talk.
PSSS: You are pretty cagey, (you must be a lawyer!!); but you only “answer” select questions and try to muddy the facts with conjecture. If I send you a credible link about the status of “WHY” Obama gave the birth certificate that he did give; you ignore that and spout some nonsense about some Double-O secret agent private eye guy who found this or that. Not ONE WORD about what the STATE of Hawaii officials says is true. Why is that I wonder? Hmmmm……….
Oh and one more thing. Your statement that between 1961 and 1972 anyone could get a birth certificate from the state of hawaii………..can your PROVE that by providing a LINK from the state of Hawaii archives (a.k.a a CREDIBLE link); that states that statement is true? PLEASE don’t send me a link to “We love conspiracies.com” or “Obama must go.com” or “Facts!! I don’t need no stinkin Facts!!.com” OK? Thanks!!!
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
11:49 am
REPOSTED from previous comments^^^ and sent with LOVE………
Message to the Birthers:
For all of those who are supporting the “Where’s the birth certificate” campaign, there’s a reason why the “long-form birth certificate” that is being sought has not been produced.
It doesn’t exist.
Not for President Barack Obama, not for anyone born in Hawaii.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
In other words, the document posted online during the campaign is all you’re going to get.
Not that this will put an end to the conspiracy theories, but at least maybe the White House won’t have to deal with any more inquiries.
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
11:55 am
Debbie – Why are you posting so childishly? Can’t you just type normally?
I’ll put up answers to the key questions one more time:
-Barack Obama has provided no proof of his birth, because the Certification of Live Birth does not prove a thing. It could have been issued to a child not born in Hawaii.
-Since you either did not see or just ignored the last time I posted this, I’ll do it again and use a different source (is google good enough for you?). The law enabling a COLB to be issued in this manner was in force from 1911 to 1972 (not 1961 to 1972 (I’ll assume that was a typo on your part). The specific law (Act 96) can be found at http://books.google.com/books?id=0PjvG3BkcBAC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=Law+96+Hawaii+1911&source=bl&ots=u1kcs7uSpu&sig=gLe9P98Mz1d2fp12Xfu_zd2yv9c&hl=en&ei=qjBnSriuIMK3lAeBxeHdDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just scroll down to the bottom of page 127 and you’ll see it. You’ll find that nothing more than an affidavit, with no physical proof, could have generated the COLB (yes there is a penalty for falsification, but it is virtually unenforceable – how would anyone prove otherwise? Besides, the benefits of US citizenship were – and still are – dramatically greater than almost anywhere else in the world, thus worth taking a risk to provide them to the newborn child).
-Why not look at Anne Dunham’s passport records? That’s a great question. I would LOVE to see them, because those records could shed light on whether or not Mr. Obama could have been born in Hawaii. Are they available? No. And who do you think is withholding them from public scrutiny? In this case, you’ve made my point for me.
-Finally, here is the law governing naturalized citizenship when one parent is an alien. It was in effect from “December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986 (Mr. Obama was born in 1961): He would have had to be born to two U.S. citizen parents – or, if one parent was a US citizen, that parent would have had to reside in the United States for at least 10 years, and at least 5 years after the age of 14 — which would have been impossible for Anne Dunham, since she was only 18 when Barack Obama was born.
There are your answers. Specific and direct.
If you continue to “talk” (in print) as childishly and snidely as your last post, I will not answer you again.
md
July 22nd, 2009
12:11 pm
Just to clarify for many on here with closed minds, a certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. The US passport office will not accept clb as proof of birth nor will any local tag office. A certified stamped copy of ones bs is all that is accepted. And no, Barry has not released his bs, just his clb. So if the US gov’t does not recognize it why should we?
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
12:22 pm
FYI, there is more than Act 96 involved here (I couldn’t remember the other source, so I didn’t mention it until now. It took a little googling, but I got it):
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
Please note that Barack Obama would not – repeat, not – have had to be born in Hawaii for the birth certificate to be issued. As with the other evidence, this means that the Certification of Live Birth offers is completely meaningless to whether Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.
John Bryans Fontaine
July 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm
World Net Daily is run by Joseph Farah, who’s intensity of loathing for Obama exceeds anyone else on the right.
YET EVEN HIS OWN SITE HAS ADMITTED THE AUTHENTCITY OF OBAMA’S CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.
Joseph Farah’s Lie About WorldNetDaily, Obama Birth Certificate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/joseph-farahs-lie-about-w_b_152570.html
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog/1866272/farah-lies-about-wnds-reporting-on-obama-birth-certificate/
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
12:51 pm
Ken — you’re pretty good BUT……..
A) The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959. As a state of the Union Hawaii had to follow all the rules of the US. Also, and here’s head scratcher for you: A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. US Code Title 8,1405 – Oh and here’s the link: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001405—-000-.html you can also try this one too: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Now moving along Citizenship requirements:
urrently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Website: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Ken: There are your answers. Specific and direct. If you continue to “talk” (in print) as childishly and snidely as your last post, I will not answer you again
Ken only someone as totally ignorant of the law AND totally ENTERTAINED by his ignorance can call any of the drivel you posted “answers”. You posted lies and conjecture and didn’t even have the balls to go the US Constitutional links to even find out if the crap you posted was true!!!
You don’t want to answer me? So what?!?! Only someone who has “something to hide” runs from the light — not someone who is trying to gain enlightenment. So i bid you adieu, sayanora, arreverdercci, chow, adios, Buh BYE. The truth will set you free, unless of course, you enjoy being bound by lies and ignorance.
Ooops before I go, here’s my video shout out to you!!! Hit The Road Jack and don’t ya come back no more!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Tiz6INF7I
Catty Catterson
July 22nd, 2009
12:51 pm
Scary!!!! The scary thing is that these people are not ashamed of themselves, and feel the need to share their crazy propaganda-driven views with the rest of us.
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm
The US passport office will not accept clb as proof of birth nor will any local tag office. A certified stamped copy of ones bs is all that is accepted. And no, Barry has not released his bs, just his clb. So if the US gov’t does not recognize it why should we?
Song for you: Hopeless By Dionne Farris
they say I’m hopeless as a penny with a hole in it
penny with a penny with a hole in it
yeah, yeah, yeah
they say I’m no less, no less, no less
no less, no less than up to my head in it
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
JBF – How obtuse can you be? The issue is not the authenticity of the COLB, it is that an authentic COLB is not proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.
I’ve shown you this a half dozen times, but you insist on not seeing it. I give up, I can’t help you
Ken Berwitz
July 22nd, 2009
1:05 pm
I’ll leave Debbie to her little netherworld. I posted the facts – all specific, all checkable. Ignoring the necessity for the US citizen to have been in the country at least five years after the age of 14 doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
Fellow guest James Carville seemed momentarily flabbergasted. “These poor pathetic people are believing stuff just like Ms. Cheney tonight,” he concluded. “She refuses to say this is ludicrous because she wants these people to believe this.”
Watch it now:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/liz-cheney-defends-birthe_n_242555.html
carlyt
July 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm
Dobbs joined the idiots yesterday. I don’t understand why CNN doesn’t pull him off. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588
md
July 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm
Clueless Deb,
You can find your own clueless song title, I’ll pass.
Here’s the facts, those little things people tend to ignore to prove a point.
Fact 1 – I can not prove that Barry was not born outside the US.
Fact 2 – You can not prove that Barry was born in the US.
Fact 3 – If you think you can dispute fact 1 or 2, then please provide the verifiable documentation to do so, otherwise you and I both have a 50/50 chance of being right /wrong.
Go for it.
tmkls
July 22nd, 2009
1:51 pm
DebbieDoRight argues: “The US passport office will not accept clb as proof of birth nor will any local tag office. A certified stamped copy of ones bs is all that is accepted. And no, Barry has not released his bs, just his clb. So if the US gov’t does not recognize it why should we?” Well, if Obama has a passport (and I assume he does), doesn’t this mean he had to show them his birth certificate?
Ken Berwitz: If the birth certificate were released, would this end the matter for you? Would there still be reasons to question the legitmacy of Obama’s presidency? Would you argue that it could be a forgery?
DebbieDoRight
July 22nd, 2009
2:08 pm
md: What a sad, sad, fragmented little world you must live in!!!
1) The man posted his birth certificate on line, (OR what the state of Hawaii issues for birth certificates); you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!”
2) The STATE OF HAWAII VERIFIES the certificate as legal AND that it came from Hawaii; you people go nuts screaming “CONSPIRACY!!! LIES!!! FRAUD!!! FIRE!! FIRE!!!
3) The
Rob
July 22nd, 2009
2:10 pm
RB from Gwinnett, prove to me you’re an American. I demand to see your birth certificate.