This birther nonsense becoming a big problem for the GOP
Here’s Mike Castle, a Republican congressman from Delaware, trying to deal with the birther nonsense at a town hall meeting back on June 30. It really gets a little spooky when the woman hijacks the meeting with an impromptu demand for the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s hard to imagine a more vivid example of how easily false patriotism can trump reason and common sense.
Apparently, CNN’s Lou Dobbs — always on the lookout these days for a fringe issue to ride — is also jumping on the bandwagon.
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Gandalf, the White! (Shiek Abooty)
July 21st, 2009
1:13 pm
Bosch! Of Course!
Normal
July 21st, 2009
1:14 pm
Gandie, Episcopals are “Catholic Lite”, all the pomp and crermony, but with none of the guilt. Read about Henry the VIII.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 21st, 2009
1:15 pm
US deaths hit their highs several years after the fall of Baghdad. The drumbeat of reporting was constant. Just review the headlines of the wire services, not to mention the papers or the tv news reporting.
Well damn, Paul. it was a shocking development, and it got worse and worse and worse. It was not something that any of the Administration had publicly prepared us for. It was news, screaming headline news. Of course.
Should the Afghanistan casualties be bigger news? If that’s what you’re arguing I’ve got your back. Of course it should. What I can’t get with is your notion that it’s media bias soaked in Obamaphilia driving it. It’s much bigger, and more depressing than something as facile as that.
Mostly it’s viewership/readership fatigue. You can only work up a cycle of outrage among the public every so often. Nobody prominent is working this.
It’s a fascinating topic, one that you’re well equipped to discuss honestly, but I’ve gotta blow this pop stand. Later, all.
George American
July 21st, 2009
1:15 pm
It is thrilling to see that the lady in the video are willing to stand up for America. The Pledge of Allegiance, “Support the Troops” movements and teabagger parties show who the Real Americans are.
Palin, these ralliers, and real American values will be back in 2012 to take this country back for the illegitimate, Muslin foreigners.
Paul
July 21st, 2009
1:16 pm
Bosch
[[What about Episcopalians? Do we count as Christians?]]
Of course not! You worship that pretender to the Pope’s throne.
Now, Episcopalopians, that’s another matter entirely…
Normal
Some would say Christians were the first Christians, that Catholics took over centuries later.
Russell
July 21st, 2009
1:18 pm
It’s beautiful thing. It would be hard to invent an issue that so well flushes out the wingnuts.
It’s not quite correct to say it hurts any kind of rational conservatism. That is alas rare these days. The birthers aren’t and never will be that. The prevalence of wingnuts and the dearth of rational conservatives is a serious problem for the GOP. But I don’t know that it is anything the GOP can easily correct. There’s a sense in which the political parties have to take current political demographics as they are. Even if the wingnuts left the GOP en masse to found their Christian Right American Party, that would leave the GOP so small as to risk its continued existence. Rational conservatives don’t have a political home because they are relatively few. That’s not something that can be corrected by combating one particular piece of nuttery.
Gandalf, the White! (Shiek Abooty)
July 21st, 2009
1:18 pm
Normal, Catholic Propoganda! Orothodox Churches also have Apostolic succession. Several other churches date back to the time of the Apostles as well. Catholics are big, but not the only original.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 21st, 2009
1:18 pm
Finn
No paddle ….I strive to be non-violent…..
but I think a loud and public apology is called for.
Normal
July 21st, 2009
1:20 pm
Normal
Some would say Christians were the first Christians, that Catholics took over centuries later.
PAUL, of course you are right, but the Catholics wrote the book…
Finn McCool
July 21st, 2009
1:20 pm
Actually, my source’s total for population for all religions adds up to more than the CIA Factbooks states as the entire world population. And the source’s tally doesn’t include the estimated 850 million nonbelievers/atheists/agnostics.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Either way, there are way too many christians and islamics. You folks need to have more wars and tissy fits.
jconservative
July 21st, 2009
1:20 pm
I have seen the birth certificate in question several times on TV & on-line. Lastly, few days ago on CNN. Looks exactly like my two kids
certificates.
Finn McCool
July 21st, 2009
1:21 pm
Ooops, no, I’m wrong. Seculars are in the ranking. We are third at 1.1 billion.
Now, get to fightin’ you believers!
Gail
July 21st, 2009
1:22 pm
People just need to get over this birth certificate thing. I have four children. The first three are close in age so I didn’t request birth certificates for any of them until the third one was about 11 mos. When I got them, they were a “Certification of Live Birth” and not the actual long form people are speaking of. Four years later, when my youngest child was also 11 mos, the state of Georgia sent me the long form called a “Certificate of Live Birth.” I have no idea why I got the short form for the first three and the long form for the fourth. Same state, same hospital, same parents, same house. President Obama has the short form because that is what he was given.
DB
July 21st, 2009
1:25 pm
I think Albert Einstein stated it best:
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Finn McCool
July 21st, 2009
1:26 pm
new thread
jconservative
July 21st, 2009
1:27 pm
Come to think of it, I have ever seen the birth certificates of John McCann, Bob Dole and Walter Mondale! Wow!
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2009
1:28 pm
“You really are low to say something like that and then weasle around about not having the time to do your homework”
It’s always easier to just make things up than it is to provide proof. Always.
Gandalf, the White! (Shiek Abooty)
July 21st, 2009
1:31 pm
jcon, I have
chair
July 21st, 2009
1:31 pm
Jay,
It would be a very easy matter to settle. Show us the real birth certificate. I personally believe he’s someone’s blow-up doll and probably doesn’t have one.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
July 21st, 2009
1:32 pm
CHRIS SAYS: That’s a pretty nasty and racist thing to say. Isn’t it time for Bookman to ban your sorry ass again?</i?
I’m sorry, Chrissy, I didn’t know you had a thing for ugly fatbodies too.
My bad.
Madeleine and Sydney
July 21st, 2009
1:33 pm
This Jay character that calls himself a “journalist” is nothing more than a pawn propagandist for the most opaque adminstration in history. And he is helping perpetuate fraud on the American people.
JAY CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO SOME INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING?
THERE IS PROOF IF YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO SEEK IT:
Ask someone with digital graphic knowledge to show you the “anti-aliasing” around the overlaid copy characters in the ‘factcheck’ online COLB file…it is a 100%FORGERY. The digital tracks are in plain sight.
They have scrubbed the image off of the Fight the Smears site because it is stinking up the place.
Fortunately many have archived files of this.
In addition, this amatuer forgery–The “Certificate of Live Birth” or COLB– that was rush-posted online in July 2008 when this issue began to heat up– has serial numbers obliterated and no doctor signature, no listed hospital, no parental signatures, no hospital admin information.
Recall the passport file breach of March 2008?
McCain, Hillary and O’s files were tampered with?
Only Obama’s was “cauterized”…and a chief Obama supporter’s security company empoyee was found doing the cauterizing ( of personal info like place of birth etc).
3 weeks later the central witness in this investigation was shot in the head while he sat in his car.
Unsolved.
Kind of like Donald Young’s murder–the Trinity United (Rev Wright) gay choir director– unsolved murder in Dec 2007.
He told Larry Sinclair ( who shared crack with O in 1999) he’d been haing an affair with Barack. He bought it 90 days later.
Murder still unsolved.
We have a pretender in the Oval Office. People…stop drinking the koolaid–at least educate yourselves!
Greg
July 21st, 2009
1:35 pm
Paul, of course Venezuela would have been a better target if it were all about oil. Like I expressly said, it is NOT all about oil. That was only part of the equation.
But wouldn’t you then have to agree- if the war in Iraq was about “liberating an oppressed population”- that China would have been a better target? They sentence old ladies to death in hard labor camps and murder political prisoners to harvest their organs. Besides that, there’s like 2 billion of them. OBVIOUSLY a bigger priority for “spreading freedom” than some third-world craphole in the desert.
Normal
July 21st, 2009
1:36 pm
One afternoon at the Right Wing Cafe in Canton, Ten right winger run in carrying an ornately framed childs puzzle. Putting it lovingly on a table, they hold hands a spin clock-wise (to the right, duh),
singing 51 days, 51 days, 51 days!
The bartender, wanting to know what was going on, grabbed a bottle of bubbley and glasses. Approaching the GOP ten, he said, “if y’all tell me what’s goin’ on, I’ll give you this on the house”. The head GOP Right Winger, Rush somebody, stepped up and boasted, “Sir, we have forever dispelled the myth that Right Wing GOPer’s are stupid”. The bartender, “Yeah? How?” Rush, said, “See that puzzle there?” The bartender said, “Yeah, nice frame, so?” “So sir”, replied Rush, “The box said two to four years, and we did it in 51 days!”
Madeleine and Sydney
July 21st, 2009
1:39 pm
jconservsative
Sir or mam…you are a flaming LIAR.
Your children’s BC cannot possibly “look” like the digital forgery posted by Obama operatives…they were sloppy and left many tell tale tracks of manipulation. you cannot cover with your lies forever.
THIS WILL COME OUT.
If you actaully have these ‘children” ( which of course is a lie) — their birth certificates show doctor, hospital and and all associated data.
You are a lair with blowing smoke.
I rely only on real information with verifiable backup.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
1:39 pm
HAHAHA too funny!!! We are STILL talking about this?!? My god, do repuglicans also get distracted by shiny objects and loud noises? Imagine the scope of the “conspiracy” that has to be in place in order to pull off the “great Birth Certificate Caper”!!
First===>>> The Repuglican governor of Hawaii has to be lying, (even though he voted for McCain and could’ve blown Obama out of the water MONTHS ago). He’s probably being paid off by Obama, (because everyone knows that he was born wealthy…..why he’s as rich as a Bush!!); AND the governor is probably waiting on his book deal to go through too.
SECOND=====>>>The two newspapers which printed the birth of Obama, (BACK IN 1961); has to be in on the conspiracy too. They probably knew, (like the Manchurian Candidate), the Obama would become the first black president of the US, (because there was a star in the east at his birth); and so concocted those false announcements. They plan on having a really lucrative book deal when this is over.
THIRD====>>>The State Registrar’s office has to be lying because they were in on it too from the beginning. PS: I heard they have a really lucrative book deal in the making.
The Most Conclusive Evidence That The Birther Conspiracy is Just Nonsense Is=====>> Alan, “I’ve had one too many hits of acid back in the 60s” Keys. If he believes in this birther nonsense then it has to be foolishness!!! The man believes he actually walked on water through his faith!!!! I mean, what is more conclusive than that!?!
It really shouldn’t be too hard to release a birth certificate, although after a year of stonewalling nobody would believe it was real at this point
Sigh. I give up……….
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
1:42 pm
This is very instructive! I’m learning a lot here.
I’ve learned that Barack Obama has produced his actual birth certificate (he hasn’t, he’s produced only a Certification of Live Birth), that the certification of live birth he produced proves he was born in Hawaii (it doesn’t – until 1972 a person born anywhere at all could have gotten a COLB) that medical staff has come forward to say he was born “there” (which hospital? Which person?) and that the birth notification proves he was born there (except there is no record of who put it in the paper – maybe just proud grandparents regardless of where he was born – and no one recalls his family ever living at that address, not even the next door neighbor (Beatrice Arakaki) who was there then and still lives there today). I also learned that if you mention any of this you must be a nutcake, a racist or both.
(Frankly, some of the so-called “birthers” are just that — just as some of the detractors will make up “facts” out of thin air to defend Mr. Obama. But the point is that you can doubt the legality of Mr. Obama’s presidency without being either.)
Now for what I haven’t learned. I haven’t learned is why, instead of making a five minute call and paying a few dollars in processing fees to get the “vault copy” of his birth certificate, Mr. Obama has spent a million dollars on lawyers who move heaven and earth to keep it in the vault. I also haven’t learned why his college records, which might show grant money that could only come to an international student, have also been buried. And I haven’t learned which hospital Mr. Obama was born in, since over a period of a couple of months he has claimed it was two different ones (so far).
Until these questions are answered, I will doubt the legality of Mr. Obama’s presidency. And despite the bluster and the insinuations, that does not make me a nutcake or a racist.
Until he comes across with evidence – real evidence – this is not going away.
Pete
July 21st, 2009
1:44 pm
We invaded Iraq because the lazy Republicans who discovered that Afghanistan and Bin Laden was way too much work, and erroneously thought that the Iraqis would just roll over like they did in 1991. In short, we invaded Iraq because we wanted to show how tough we were. No real reason.
By the way, fiscal conservatives, we’ve spent an estimated 3 TRILLION dollars in Iraq. Just who do you suppose will have to pay off that debt? Imagine just what our budget would have looked like if we hadn’t borrowed 3 TRILLION dollars and poured it down a hole in Iraq.
Abner Doubleday
July 21st, 2009
1:46 pm
The final straw for me was Barry O’s All-Star Game pitch–no way an avid athlete born in America would have thrown that poorly.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
1:46 pm
Kind of like Donald Young’s murder–the Trinity United (Rev Wright) gay choir director– unsolved murder in Dec 2007.
He told Larry Sinclair ( who shared crack with O in 1999) he’d been haing an affair with Barack. He bought it 90 days later.
Murder still unsolved.
OMG!!! How did you find out about that!?!!!? We thought we had buried it deep underground!!! I paid millions, do you hear me MILLIONS, to bury that story and yet you found out!! I’m gonna try and get my money back!!! What kind of country is this, when you can’t even get any bang for your bribery buck anymore!!!:??!!
blackbird13
July 21st, 2009
1:47 pm
It seems to me that this sort of thing only benefits the other side. The more conservatives focus on nonsensical speculation, the easier it is for liberals to paint them as nutjobs. There is a segment of the Republican Party that is driving it towards marginalization, a process that began when the religious element overwhelmed much of the party’s platform.
One of the most damaging images to the McCain campaign, from the point of view of an educated person, was that pathetically dumb woman who stood up at one of his rallies and said she didn’t trust Obama because “he’s an Arab.” Though admittedly an awkward moment for McCain, he would earned a lot of credit if he had went further in refuting her, for example, by saying “you are a bigot lady. So what if he were of Arab descent?”
Republicans will maintain that such idiocy is on the fringe of their party, but I’m not so sure. I can recall a conversation I had with some so-called Christians, who, when I voiced my support for McCain in the primary, said: “Don’t vote for him. He isn’t a Christian, they brainwashed him in Vietnam to pretend to be a conservative until he gets elected.” These people were absolutely serious, and otherwise seemingly normal. Where did they get this info? The internet, of course.
Beckwith
July 21st, 2009
1:48 pm
This birther “nonsense” becoming a bigger problem for the usurper that’s occupying the Oval Office.
Obama and the Obots thought this “nonsense” would fade away. Just the opposite is occurring.
As more and more Americans witness platoons of lawyers vigorously preventing the release of the Obamamessiah’s REAL birth records, school records and medical rcords, they realize that this suckah has something to hide.
And, he’s hiding it.
This “nonsense” isn’t going away. It’s getting more intense.
Even the stoned-looking doofus at the top of this page is writing about it.
Cheers . . .
RB from Gwinnett
July 21st, 2009
1:48 pm
“You really have backed yourself into a corner with this one.” Only if you and your friends want to continue to deny the truth and claim it didn’t happen if I’m not willing to search 1-2 year old blog postings…. You and all the others on here know the truth. Including ms G.
“What about Episcopalians? Do we count as Christians?” Episcopalians count, Bosch, but based on what you’ve posted here, you’re not.
Pete
July 21st, 2009
1:52 pm
Madeline, my own Indiana birth certificate (of which I got a copy of to get a driver’s license when I moved to Colorado), doesn’t list the doctor who was there when I was born.
Ken, nice slippery argument there. You have no proof that Obama was enrolled in college as an “international student”, but you are demanding that Obama somehow prove that he wasn’t? Not that you would believe him anyway. As for the birth announcement, it is a common newspaper practice for the newspapers to get the birth records from Vital Statistics. Where does Vital Statistics get the info, you ask? Why, they get it from BIRTH CERTIFICATES PROVIDED FROM THE HOSPITAL. Again, not that you’ll believe that, because you are simply compiling information that you feel backs up your predetermined conclusion.
A lot of dumbf*ck Southerners also believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, so it’s no surprise you half-wits so desperately want to believe this “birther” nonsense.
Pete
July 21st, 2009
1:53 pm
Beckwith, tell me, during the 2000 election, did it concern you that George Bush never provided any documentation of his “service” in the Alabama National Guard? No, of course not, why he was a white Republican, his word was good enough…
Madeleine and Sydney
July 21st, 2009
1:53 pm
READ UP DEBDORIGHT AND LEARN SOMETHING:
You said…”The two newspapers which printed the birth of Obama, (BACK IN 1961); has to be in on the conspiracy too. They probably knew, (like the Manchurian Candidate), the Obama would become the first black president of the US, (because there was a star in the east at his birth); and so concocted those false announcements. They plan on having a really lucrative book deal when this is over.”
Now Deb,
Did you know that the address in the birth announcement (placed obviously by Stanley Ann’s mother, “Toot”)
“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
is a residence where Barack Sr and Ann NEVER lived?
>>According to affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.
Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.<<
Baro ( the investigator) was able to determine the previous owners of the residence at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway – the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born – were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased.
Baro’s affidavit also documents that the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted on his campaign website is not the original “long form” birth certificate issued in 1961 by the obstetrician or physician giving birth and the hospital where the baby was born.<<
This teenage mom ( she got pregnant at 17) wanted all the perks of a kid born in the US….and since Barack Jr was actually born in Coast Hosptial in Mombasa because Ann was not allowed ro fly so close to delivery– –and where Obama’s paternal grnadmother is on tape saying she was in the delivery room in Coast Hospital when he was born–she wasnt scompletley stupid….she had her mother cover for her……just so happned to use an address that wasnt in the family.
Madeleine and Sydney
July 21st, 2009
1:55 pm
Debbeidoright:
You saying the Donald Young murder scandal and Barack’s r/ship to him is unture?
Eric
July 21st, 2009
1:56 pm
Obama could’ve been born on Mars for all I care. I’m just glad we finally have a competent president.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 21st, 2009
1:56 pm
RB FROM GWINNETT
YOU ARE A SAD SAD LIAR.
YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO BACK UP YOUR LIES.
AFRAID TO ACCEPT A CHALLENGE AND TELLING MORE CHEAP TAWDRY DISGUSTING LIES ABOUT PEOPLE …..
YOU SIR, ARE NOT A VERY NICE MAN
Paul
July 21st, 2009
1:58 pm
Normal 1:20
And whoever writes the book writes the history –
Greg
Thanks for your clarification. I’ve maintained the war in Iraq was not about oil; however, our presence in the Middle East is almost entirely about oil.
Which is why I’m pretty hardcore on issues to make it not necessary for us to be there. And why I have no use for the likes of Spkr Pelosi who put placating their constituents and playing politics above practical considerations such as getting us the most energy from home-grown resources as we can.
Paul
July 21st, 2009
1:59 pm
Hi Mrs Godzilla!
Pete
July 21st, 2009
1:59 pm
Madeline, do you actually believe that President Obama murdered a gay choir director? Or are you throwing so many different conspiracies against the wall hoping one will stick.
By the way, retard, Vital Statistics gets their information directly from the hospitals, and newspapers get their birth announcements from Vital Statistics.
It sure is prettty damn convenient for you conspiracy morons that Obama’s mother is deceased, one less person to throw water on your insanity.
lovelyliz
July 21st, 2009
2:00 pm
Gandalf, the White! they were the dixiecrats who are today’s GOP
Pete
July 21st, 2009
2:03 pm
Paul, you have to admit that invading a country for transparently phony reasons and setting up a government that gave us no bid oil contracts is pretty sleazy.
One of these days, some of you will learn the phrase “peak oil” and understand that destroying what’s left of our natural environment in the US for at best 8 additional years of oil is a fool’s errand.
Jefferson
July 21st, 2009
2:04 pm
Everyday I become more disappointed with the human race.
lovelyliz
July 21st, 2009
2:05 pm
Is it that the birther don’t believe President Obama is a born US citizen or that they don’t know Hawaii is an actual state?
These could be the same people who didn’t know that Saudi Arabia where so many of the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden were from and Iraq are different countries.
William R Hadley
July 21st, 2009
2:06 pm
It seems you reject the provisions of the U.S. Constitution which specify the Person taking office must be a natural born citizen. His sister born in his step father’s country while he attended school in 1970 has a Hawaiian birth certificate. Atthe time to obtain one in this state was fairly simple. If he wants the issue to go away, all he had to do is show his compete live biirth certificate which includes hospital and docter attended birth. Yet, since 20 January, his campagin fund has spent $733,000 since then on liegal issues in the may finance report. It would also be interresting in what nationality he used for a passport when he visited Partistan when no US citizen could obtain a visa. What about his activities in the Ill state senate? Nothing is available other then in his two autobio he wrote.
Most intelligent individuals would be interested in answers to these questions.
wbk
July 21st, 2009
2:10 pm
USinUK
July 21st, 2009
11:50 am
Most conservatives really do care about the constitution and traditional values. That is why we do not want judges making law sort of like the liberals do. Is that not dodging the constitution?
I had to show more proof of my birth to join the military than KOTUS did to become president.
The news does not report those kille in action and show their pictures online anymore. Why is that? I guess dying for liberals is ok…..to you.
RB from Gwinnett
July 21st, 2009
2:10 pm
Post all the shouts you want G. You all know exactly what I’m talking about and you know I’m right.
Even if I knew Jay’s archives went back that far, I still wouldn’t waste my time looking through them to find death count postings by you and your friends. Everybody who’s been on this blog since then knows the truth. You included.
If you choose to forget the truth for the benefit of your Obama, that’s your business, but stop acting like it didn’t happen.
@@
July 21st, 2009
2:11 pm
DoggoneItDoggone:
Don’t know if anyone has addressed this post of yours:
“Would you accept the word “exploit”.”
Absolutely. Just like the Bush regime “exploited” the deaths of innocent Iraqis by NOT reporting them.
When have you NEVER seen a conflict where collateral damage wasn’t a part of it? The difference in this conflict is that it’s the enemy who exploits their own people by embedding themselves among civilians — using them as human shields.
paul
July 21st, 2009
2:11 pm
CAN WE SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHEN?
The most powerful position on earth and we have no idea anything about this guy – he is an illegal allien that should be deported according to the law. Get ready for a civil war, I am.
This guy is a citizen of Indonisia, his legal name is Barry Soetoro, he is a muslim, he is in America illegally, he is NOT the president, he does not qualify to be.
DEMAND IT _ DONT GO AWAY< THIS IS YOUR OPPORUNITY TO FIGHT FOR SOMETHING – DONT EVER STOP DEMANDING THAT BIRTH CERTIFICATE – DONATE TO ORLY TAITZ ALSO, I DID.
Duke
July 21st, 2009
2:11 pm
The half-white, half-Arab guy won. Obama has no Negro blood.
The certificate Obama posted is like a driver’s license or Social Security card. At the time of Obama’s birth, Hawaii issued those certificates of live birth even to baby’s who had come to Hawaii as infants, but were not born there. The real birth certificate would include the name of the physician and the hospital.
Obama has publicly claimed to have been born in two different hospitals in Hawaii.
In Africa it is widely believed, taken for granted by many, that Obama was born in Kenya.
Americans have to present their birth cerificates on all sorts of occasions. It is certainly reasonable to require a candidate for President to do so. John McCain was required to prove his citizenship. Why not Obama?
This issue is not going away.
Put Away Your Crooked Speech
July 21st, 2009
2:15 pm
Why are these people afforded code names such as “birthers”, “teabaggers”, ‘Moral Majority-”Evangelicals”? Is it their race?
We need to stop speaking in code. Call them what these groups really are….racists, traitors, and segregationists and their children.
Let’s all stop participating in a lie. Tell the truth about these people.
All those people back in the day who tried not to let Black kids into schools and public areas didn’t just evaporate when President Johnson signed the Civil Rights laws. Somehow through the magic of the media, these people went from being called “Southern Democrats”, to “The Silent Majority”, to “The Moral Majority”, to now “Evangelicals” which is code for segregationists and their children.
Modern conservatism is code for segregationist agenda without (well with few) outright acts of public discrimination.
Same goes for the new phenomenon of “teabaggers”. The focus is on a supposed link to the Boston Tea Party, but the actual agenda is quite the opposite. These people are talking treason and rebellion straight up. If they were Black, or Latino, there would have been calls for their arrest and I’m sure many would have been killed by some “patriot”.
Now we have another phony moniker with these “birthers”. The media allows them to claim their concern is about country therefore the challenge of a birth certificate’s legitimacy. But that is not what this is about now, nor has it ever been. This is about a bunch of racists who “want their country” back from that Black guy in the White House! “My” and “our” is code for white folks, not all who hold some acceptable looking birth certificate. Heck, there are Americans that probably couldn’t produce a birth certificate if you asked them for it. I know for a fact that there are many rural and southern Black people who weren’t born in hospitals and couldn’t produce a certificate “signed by a doctor”, “signed by a hospital administrator”, “with a seal” etc… Yet they were born in this great country just the same and are full citizens. This is all a smokescreen.
Sure these groups overlap, but the point remains. We need to stop with the white privilege and start calling these people who, and what they really, truly, are.
Martin Prado
July 21st, 2009
2:15 pm
The “liberals do this, conservatives do that” mindset is SO SAD. You really have to be a moron to believe there’s any significant difference between the two corporate-controlled parties.
VOTE THIRD PARTY!
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:18 pm
ha ha – the paper is just upset they have to start covering this. where was obama born?
Joey Crack
July 21st, 2009
2:18 pm
So how do all the “birthers” feel about this illegal-alien muslim communist having such expanded powers over civil liberties due to Bush’s Patriot Act?
Joey Crack
July 21st, 2009
2:19 pm
LOL you nuts should at least get your conspiracy straight. Was it Indonesia or Kenya?
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:20 pm
what is racist about following the constitution?
Mrs. Godzilla
July 21st, 2009
2:20 pm
RB FROM GWINNETT
You remain a LIAR.
A cowardly liar.
A lazy liar.
OF COURSE YOU SILLY TWIT….We posted KIA numbers.
YOU, you evil skunk, said we CELEBRATED those deaths.
YOU ARE ONE SICK DEGENERATE S.O.B.
And I will make it my mission to insure that everyone on this blog knows it!
Watch over your shoulder RB THE LIAR FROM GWINNETT…..
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:21 pm
you all should be angry at your leader, he is the one hiding what everyone else must disclose…..
Trust me
July 21st, 2009
2:22 pm
Actually, this whole issue is a no-brainer. Birthers are no-brainers. They cannot even understand the laws of the USofA. Or, will not because of their blind hatred. Pathetic.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
2:23 pm
Madeline & Stanley: According to affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.
Not to disparage an elderly person, but the lady in question had to have been at least old enough to remember August 1961 which was 46 3/4 years ago………..Now you’re telling me she remembers DISTINCTLY everyone who ever lived on her street, OR she remembers this particular couple how? Can this same woman remember, who, without looking it up, won the World Series, SuperBowl, AND NBA finals that year too? (Which was probably more heavily reported anyway).
Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.
She BELIEVED, but is not SURE huh? Yet you BELIEVE wholeheartedly that she even knows what the heck she’s talking about!!!??? How does she even KNOW the family? Did she say that?
This is sooooo sad. Hey, for a lot of years i BELIEVED in the Easter Bunny and just KNEW it was real; but then, reality came, and blew that theory in the water!!! Maybe it’ll do the same for the “birthers”. But then again…….
PS: Don’t forget the republican Governor said Obama was born in Hawaii too……do you think he can be trusted? He looks a little shifty to me, especially around the eyes…….
Simple Solution
July 21st, 2009
2:25 pm
Everyone is issued a live birth certificate th actual Birth Certificate are kept at your County Recorders Office and can be Fed-Ex to your home for a nomnal fee. The Recorders keep the long copy of the Birth Certificate.
rcNkc
July 21st, 2009
2:25 pm
Mr. Bookman:
You know sir, the truth about obozo. Us birthers finally started realizing, that in Feb or March of this year any reasonable person would understand by then that something is not right and to continue to dismiss
birther claims, makes you a knowing facilitator to un-Constitutional lawlessness. What would your profs from Penn State think about your dismissals of birthers’ claims? With your degree and experience, why don’t YOU research the story yourself. By the way, where is the old certificATION that WAS on Snopes & “Stop the Smears” just last week ?????
For the record...
July 21st, 2009
2:29 pm
Some of us don’t like Obama’s POLICIES. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin so quit playing the race card all of the time.
Second, why is it that when liberals see a perceived “injustice” they want to reach into everyone’s pocket but their own? Most of us are where we are in life because of the choices we made and the sacrifices we either made or were unwilling to make. contrary to popular belief most conservatives were not born with a silver spoon in our mouths…most of us busted our butts to get to where we are when others were out playing.
Michelle
July 21st, 2009
2:29 pm
Why in the world would anyone accept a document image on the Internet as proof of anything? I mean, seriously, people. A 9th grader could make that document on photoshop. Is it too much to ask that a document with Constiutional implications actually be revealed to the press so they could show everybody? A real piece of paper? So far, we’ve had an announcement by a HI government official that she has seen his original birth certificate (Hmmmm…she doesn’t say that the birthplace is Hawaii). I know it seems farfetched that she is covering for Obama, but haven’t you guys noticed the religious devotion given to this man by his followers? Would that be so outlandish that he could get one to dance around the issue so as to bury it for him?
I’m sorry. I’m no nutcase. I don’t wear tin foil hats (please stop using this term by the way. It’s just tedious at this point). But, I do think we are entitled to proof positive that he was born in the US. If you think he’s given us that, you are dreaming.
Gwinnett County Airforce
July 21st, 2009
2:29 pm
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
There is a distinct and verifiable difference between a C.O.L.B. (Certificate of Live Birth, and a Certified Birth Certificate (the so called long form version__NOT a super-duper-double-secret-probation-long-form_although you children do come up with some whoppers now and then).
The “COLB” is issued for kids born both foreign and domestically and is NOT a legal form of identification (neither is a newspaper announcement) nor does it display the name of the hospital, the attending doctor, or any signatures.
The “Certified Birth Certificate” (or long form) IS a legal form of identification and displays all of this information. Big difference.
And even a liberal should be able to discern that.
Liberalism is a self-inflicted mental disease that can only be cured by facts, reasoning, and common sense. “Feelings don’t come into play”.
wbk
July 21st, 2009
2:33 pm
Is it not sad that liberals would allow a non citizen to become president if he was liberal?
A simple document that millions of us have.
Now the liberals have that attitude since he is in office, It doesnt matter anyway”. Is that not your attitude? It doesnt matter anyway? I am so ashamed of some Americans.
Corey
July 21st, 2009
2:34 pm
As somebody who recently got my first passport, I didn’t have an orignal birth certificate (I love my parents, but they’re scatterbrained). So guess what what I found out? A copy issued from the State Dept. of Health is just a valid.
Also, show me the 10 Democratic U.S. Representatives that co-sponsored a “9/11 Truther” or “Grassy Knoll” bill because there are 10 Republicans who have co-sponsored the “Birther” bill.
Plus, I think the Obama administration loves this. It makes their opposition out to be right-wing lunatics more concerned with the location of his mother’s vagina then with policy and issues.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
2:34 pm
Pete – thanks for telling me what I do and don’t believe. I didn’t know I was in the presence of a mind reader.
As regards your points (the ones based on what I wrote, rather than what you divined), I don’t know how Barack Obama funded his schooling, nor did I claim to know. But the fact that he is hiding his school records suggests to me, as a matter of common logic, that there is something there he does not want us to see. I am raising the possibility that it might relate to his legal status.
Regarding the birth announcement, neither you nor I know how that announcement found its way into the paper – which is precisely the point I’m making. If it came from a hospital, which hospital did it come from? It certainly doesn’t mention one, does it?
This brings us to another practical consideration. Barack Obama is just 47 years old. That means if the doctor who delivered him was, say, 35 when he was born, he would be just 82 today and certainly might be alive. So might be any number of people there on the day of his birth. A 25 year old nurse would be just 72, a 30 year old food services person would be just 77, an 18 year old candy striper who helped out at the hospital would be just 65. Doesn’t it strike you as odd that not one person has come forth and said “I was there when the President of the United States was born”?
I suppose you could argue that it is unreasonable to expect them to remember an inconsequential birth all those years ago. But let’s remember that Mr. Obama’s mother was an 18 year old caucasian woman with a Black husband many years her senior. Interracial births were extremely rare at that time – and especially in Hawaii which had almost no Black population. Even in the last census (2002) Blacks comprised less than 2% of Hawaii’s total population. So I’m pretty confident it would have been noticed.
If you want to argue on facts, let’s go. If you want to look into a crystal ball and tell me what I’m thinking, try someone else.
SHANE
July 21st, 2009
2:35 pm
Where are Keenedy’s, Carter’s Reagan’s, Both Bushes,and Clintn BC i want to make sure there BC are correct
Joe B
July 21st, 2009
2:36 pm
Obama’s birth certificate is in Kenya: end of story!
Hank
July 21st, 2009
2:38 pm
Are you kidding me, Gwinnett County Airforce? If anything, social conservatism is a mental disorder! The compulsion to control others’ behavior and use the government to force adherence to some perceived cultural or traditional “norm”- that’s a real problem.
Cut the mentally-ill “social conservatives” from your party and I would vote republican!
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
2:40 pm
Madeline & Stanley regarding the Gay Choir Director and Obama’s “tryst”.
Of COURSE that’s real!!! I paid MILLIONS to try and hush that up!!! MILLIONS!!! and I have more money than a BUSH will ever have!!!
wbk
July 21st, 2009
2:42 pm
I hope the birthers stay at it. Plus, all those who failed to come forth with this information should be prosecuted for treason. Now that will decimate the ranks of the dems.
What chaos it will be seeing and hearing all the lying and finger pointing at each other. I will enjoy it.
The trials will go on forever it will seem. Prisons full of jounalists and publica officals. What a footnote in history.
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:47 pm
where was obama born?
Trust me
July 21st, 2009
2:48 pm
Obama satisfied the laws of this nation with the documents that he presented as proof of his citizenship. All of a sudden, the laws that have been in place are no longer good enough for some people that claim to be citizens — the so-called birthers. I think that’s sufficient proof that the ‘birthers’ are not citizens. They don’t even know the laws of the land in which they claim citizenship. Really pathetic.
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:50 pm
libs: article II, section I – natural born citizenship required so there are no divided loyalties. many question whether or not he hates America.
no libs
July 21st, 2009
2:52 pm
Trust you? obama must prove he is a natural born citizen, the democratic party was responsible for ensuring this.
RB from Gwinnett
July 21st, 2009
2:57 pm
“We posted KIA numbers. YOU, you evil skunk, said we CELEBRATED those deaths.”
Ah yes… Finally the admission that G knows exactly what I’m talking about. YOU posted those KIA numbers for the purpose of bashing Bush AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF FURTHERING YOUR PARTY AGENDA. The more people died, the better chance your party has of winning elections ONLY if you keep the KIA numbers in the news and in front of the masses you were trying to sway. And you did exactly that, G. You posted those numbers in an almost celebratory way in hopes it would benefit your candidate. And you KNOW that, G. That’s disgusting.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
2:58 pm
Trust me – what documents did Barack Obama present that prove his citizenship?
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
2:58 pm
Oh please!!! The repuglicans are responsible for putting the village idiot in a seat of power (the US presidency); and the man couldn’t even say a whole sentence without f—-king it up!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRYPYuFZLk
Hank
July 21st, 2009
3:09 pm
Yeah wbk, that’d be GREAT for the country! Screw the global recession/depression and the multiple wars we’re fighting- let’s focus on the idea that our president is illegal because of some State Department technicality about how much time he spent stateside as a teenager even though his mother’s American!!
Keep in mind I don’t believe any of this crap. If I did have one inkling of belief in it and it hadn’t been THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED like it has, I’d support the rule of law regarding eligibility, on which the constitution is clear.
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
3:12 pm
Trust you? obama must prove he is a natural born citizen, the democratic party was responsible for ensuring this
Don’t just blame the Dems; blame the CIA, FBI AND the NSA for this also (they’re the ones who do background checks on potential Presidential candidates). It was all a big conspiracy!!! The CIA,FBI and NSA all have lucrative book deals in the works when this is over.
Heed my words!! Watch out for the unknowns, the evil ones, who look like us; but who are really stupid and go around muttering words like, “Hawaii, Kenya, 1961″ over and over again. If you look directly into their eyes, you will turn to stone!!!!!
Allen
July 21st, 2009
3:18 pm
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
3:20 pm
Debbie – in his last election, George Bush got 63 million votes. Are all those people as worthy of your hatred?
For the record...
July 21st, 2009
3:23 pm
Personally I find this whole “birther” thing kind of stupid. I also find Obams’s thinly disguised welfare, income redistribution, stimulus plan stupid too. The money should have been spent on things with long term benefits, like roads and infrastructure. Well I guess the money spent finding out why pigs stink will be good on a Trivial Pursuit card someday.
MsLady
July 21st, 2009
3:27 pm
Demanding a birth certificate from an elected US President is as insulting as it is ludicrous. He doesn’t have to prove his birth to these nut jobs. Don’t you morons understand that the screening process required of any potential Commander In Chief would require that level of scrutiny at the very least? The so-called birthers are intellectually incapable of rational logic – and the truth ain’t in them. These people are blinded by hate-filled rage, coupled with a healthy dose of stupidity.
stimp
July 21st, 2009
3:31 pm
Many issues, not enough time…Barry is 1/2 mixed white, 6.25% balck-african and the rest 43.75% ARAB-AFRICAN look it up…I am overseas this summer (as usual) and you would not believe the things the say over in Spain! the birther debate is a good debate…but if Sotero adopted barry before he turned 5 then he is not eligible to hold his position…SORRY….If you want to know if the moon landing happened, i´m sure it did…but without proof!!!!nixon couldn´t prove it, so it just so happens that stanley kubrik lent studio time to the cia during his filming of 2001 a space oddesy so the proof could be created…Kubrick lived out the rest of his life filming his movies from his house because he was the only remaining person from those weekend film sessions in london who wasn´t killed…btw i learned all this from spanish t.v. ask the russians…they were on the moon later and said that the american caamaras´armstrong and co. used would never have been strong enough to film…they would have broken…
Gwinnett County Airforce
July 21st, 2009
3:35 pm
Oh, I see, Hank, kinda like the Obamanation’s new forced health care proposal? Under which, if you try to hire a doctor with your own money, both you and the doctor can be thrown in jail??? Or the federal government’s fascist approach to owning the banking industry, car industry, et al??? Come back when you have something intelligent to say…..
Hank wrote: The compulsion to control others’ behavior and use the government to force adherence to some perceived cultural or traditional “norm”- that’s a real problem.
Granny Miller
July 21st, 2009
3:37 pm
Since when is chiding Congress “false patriotism”?
The way I see it Congress & the President of the United States work for We The People ans what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
If I have to show my birth certificate to get a driver;s license and my college transcripts to get a teaching job – Barack Obama can show his Birth certificate.
Obama’s grandmother & aunt claim he was born in Kenya. In fact grandma says she was in the delivery room.
Somebody is lying.
Maybe that’s the reason according to Lou Dobbs Obama has spent close to a MILLION DOLLARS tying up this controversy in court and hoping it will go away.
How about make things easy and just show the birth certificate, health records, college transcripts and documents related to his 1980 trip?
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
3:39 pm
Allen – the factcheck.com site goes to great lengths to prove that the COLB was valid. The problem is that a valid COLB does not in any way prove where Barack Obama was born. From 1911 to 1972 a birth certificate could be issued in Hawaii without proof that the child was born there (the Laws of the Territory, Act 96, enacted April 17, 1911). Barack Obama was born in 1961.
Forgetting Factcheck’s ties to Obama (it is run by the Annenberg Foundation, which Barack Obama, along with william ayers, was associated with to disperse grant money over a period of years), even if what they say is true it does not prove a thing about his birth.
Why are you folks so determine to ignore the single most obvious issue, which is that if Barack Obama is legal, all he has to do is request and show the birth certificate?
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
3:50 pm
Ken i don’t hate GWB — I just think he’s dumb as a rock!!! As a matter of fact, I heard he was quite the party boy in his time!! He’s probably a good ole boy who likes to go out, party, then come home and have fun with the missus. No harm in that!! I just didn’t want him anywhere near a button that said “silos” or “D-Day” or anything like that……..
As for the other stuff, why did the Repuglican Governor of Hawaii lie? Do you think he’s secretly obama’s “man” so to speak, (you know ’cause of the gay choir director thinggyy…..)
DebbieDoRight
July 21st, 2009
3:52 pm
Granny, you teach?!?! uh oh…………I hear Ga’s school listing dropping to 50………
BigBrain
July 21st, 2009
3:53 pm
If Obama wanted to shut these idiots up, he could request a release of the his birth hospital records. They’d be old, dusty and probably on microfiche, but they’d put and end to this lunacy. He gains a lot politcially by not providing any more documents, however. Crazy white women in red shirts do more to turn voters away from Republican candidates than anything David Axelrod could dream up. The age of old white people in America is over! Let’s focus on getting a single-payor health care system.
wbk
July 21st, 2009
3:55 pm
Hey just 3yrs & 6mos more of this chaos. Unless something happens.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
4:00 pm
Debbie – You don’t hate, you just refer to all Republicans as “Repuglicans” (i.e. repugnant). Do you ever read what you type?
And Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle did not state that she had seen Mr. Obama’s birth certificate and that it was valid. What she actually did do was put it under seal, so that no one but Barack Obama could get their hands on it.
I can’t speak for her motives (nor can you). But let’s not confuse hiding the document with speaking for its validity.
Ken Berwitz
July 21st, 2009
4:06 pm
MsLady – it is insulting to expect that the President of the United States produce his birth certificate so that we know he is legally able to hold the office?
Are you insulted if you are asked to produce a driver’s license when cashing a check?
DB, Gwinnettian
July 21st, 2009
4:07 pm
Finally the admission that G knows exactly what I’m talking about.
Admission? You wish.
Posting KIA numbers is not equal to “almost celebrating” dead American soldiers. Not even close. Furthermore, your laughable assertions to the contrary, you’ve no idea what “purpose” (your term) such postings had, because you don’t remember them well enough to perform a simple google search to find them!
And RB, spare us the “I don’t have the time” dodge. You’ve been back here posting your lame comebacks; you could have found something by now.
If you had anything.
Which you don’t.
Want to know what’s really sad about all this? I’ve heard this kind of vile character assassination from conservatives, online, so often that the other day I wanted to post a link to a site that’s been tracking the number of documented civilian casualties in Iraq for some time now. And I did, but I was very careful about it because, frankly the site’s URL sounds somewhat exploitative, even though once you’re inside you realize it is decidedly not that at all—the information is well documented and presented soberly.
And I shouldn’t have to tiptoe around this stuff. But I do, because people like you have so coarsened the debate, it becomes necessary.
Bottom line is, real people died. Real people are still dying. I’m not celebrating, and it’s disgusting for you to assert that I am, and that I support those who do.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 21st, 2009
4:09 pm
Site I meant to link @ 4.07–my bad.
Church Lady
July 21st, 2009
4:25 pm
I saw a close-up of the “supposed” birth certificate from the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Check it out for yourself….The Certificate Number is: 151 1961 010641
Now pay attention here.
151 + 1961 + 010641 = 12753
Now add up the individual digits….
1 + 2 + 7 + 5 + 3 = 18
You know what that means?
18 = 6 + 6 + 6
Do I have to spell it out for you? 666 people!!!!! THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
Lord Jesus, COME QUICKLY!