So much for Obama’s ‘premature emasculation’

From the Washington Post:

The Senate voted Tuesday to kill the nation’s premier fighter jet program, embracing by a 58-40 vote margin the argument of President Obama and his top military advisers that the F22 is no longer needed for the nation’s defense and a costly drag on the Pentagon’s budget in an era of small wars and growing counter-insurgency efforts.

The decision was a key policy victory for Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who has been campaigning against the plane since April as a centerpiece of his effort to “fundamentally reshape the priorities of America’s defense establishment and reform the way the Pentagon does business — in particular, the weapons we buy, and how we buy them,” as he put it in a Chicago speech last Thursday.

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Finn McCool

July 21st, 2009
1:24 pm

What? Sanity lives?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
1:28 pm

The vote was straight up surrender monkey versus Patriots, although apparently one or two SM’s showed some spine.

Mrs. Godzilla

July 21st, 2009
1:28 pm

How often do we have to say it?

Relax, Obama’s got this one.

Redneck Convert

July 21st, 2009
1:34 pm

Well, I sure hope old Saxby didn’t go and spend all that money the F-22 people give him to make sure the plane was in the budget. Or else has a real good place to hide.

I reckon this is a day for disasters. Over at UGA they’re knee-deep in s_. They say a big sewer pipe bust and the stuff is all over the campus. My money says they probly tried to can up all the lecture notes of the professers and forgot to put the lid on tight. Anyhow, the poor kids don’t have time to study or even party, they’re so busy lifting one shoe to scrape the stuff off while the other shoe gets filthy.

I just cringe when I think about what this is going to do to the football season this coming fall. I can see the TV cameras panning in to the fans of the visiting team holding big signs that say The Georgia S_ Scrapers. It will be worse than Duke fans give to visiting basketball teams. And they won’t call them the Dawgs, they’ll call them the S_s. Anyhow, Lockheed don’t have any problems compared to my beloved Dawgs.

Have a good p.m. everybody and all you Lockheed workers that will want to come to the trailer for loans need to know I won’t never be home.

Night Train

July 21st, 2009
1:38 pm

This was a good thing. Now let’s move on.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
1:40 pm

I wrote this for downstairs but everytime I try to write a funny, jay changes posts, but here it is again.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
1:36 pm
One afternoon at the Right Wing Cafe in Canton, Ten right winger run in carrying an ornately framed childs puzzle. Putting it lovingly on a table, they hold hands a spin clock-wise (to the right, duh),
singing 51 days, 51 days, 51 days!

The bartender, wanting to know what was going on, grabbed a bottle of bubbley and glasses. Approaching the GOP ten, he said, “if y’all tell me what’s goin’ on, I’ll give you this on the house”. The head GOP Right Winger, Rush somebody, stepped up and boasted, “Sir, we have forever dispelled the myth that Right Wing GOPer’s are stupid”. The bartender, “Yeah? How?” Rush, said, “See that puzzle there?” The bartender said, “Yeah, nice frame, so?” “So sir”, replied Rush, “The box said two to four years, and we did it in 51 days!”

Gandalf, the White! (Shiek Abooty)

July 21st, 2009
1:40 pm

If Barry has his little ditch diggers on anything it’s something to fear. He is dangerous, liars often are. He is evil, liars often are. He married a FUGLY woman, liars often do.

jconservative

July 21st, 2009
1:50 pm

The F-22 was an expensive system that has never flown a single combat mission – and we been in two wars. First vote the Senate has gotten correct this year.

Normal Funny comment. This blog needs you more often.
1:40 pm

Question

July 21st, 2009
1:50 pm

“The last time the president made grand promises and demanded passage of a bill before it could be reviewed, we ended up with the colossal stimulus failure and unemployment near 10 percent,” said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.). “Now the president wants Americans to trust him again, but he can’t back up the utopian promises he’s making about a government takeover of health care. He insists his health care plan won’t add to our nation’s deficit despite the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office saying exactly the opposite. And today we learn that the president is refusing to release a critical report on the state of our economy, which contains facts essential to this debate. What is he hiding?”

Finn McCool

July 21st, 2009
1:53 pm

“despite the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office saying exactly the opposite.

Since when did a Republican give a rats @ss what the Congressional Budget Office said?

mm

July 21st, 2009
1:55 pm

Now, on to healthcare and Gitmo. In your ear, Whiner. So you support welfare jobs?

Abner Doubleday

July 21st, 2009
1:57 pm

Why would we need F-22s? Or a missile shield? Or a beefed-up navy? We can simply talk our rivals into being nice to us. Three More Years!!!

Normal

July 21st, 2009
1:57 pm

Spend the saved money wisely…on me!

mm

July 21st, 2009
1:57 pm

Question,

Keep drinking the Koolaid.

Did you know that of the $787 billion bailout, only about $50 billion has been spent? Republicans are liars and their supporters are halfwits.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
2:00 pm

Josef, Where are you?

Finn McCool

July 21st, 2009
2:03 pm

More CBO goodness:

September 30, 2002
Committee on the Budget
United States Senate

CBO estimated that the incremental costs of deploying a force to the Persian Gulf (the costs that would be incurred above those budgeted for routine operations) would be between $9 billion and $13 billion. Prosecuting a war would cost between $6 billion and $9 billion a month–although CBO cannot estimate how long such a war is likely to last. After hostilities end, the costs to return U.S. forces to their home bases would range between $5 billion and $7 billion. Further, the incremental cost of an occupation following combat operations could vary from about $1 billion to $4 billion a month
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3822&type=0

Wolfowitz and war:
Mr. Wolfowitz spent much of the hearing knocking down published estimates of the costs of war and rebuilding, saying the upper range of $95 billion was too high, and that the estimates were almost meaningless because of the variables. Moreover, he said such estimates, and speculation that postwar reconstruction costs could climb even higher, ignored the fact that Iraq is a wealthy country, with annual oil exports worth $15 billion to $20 billion. “To assume we’re going to pay for it all is just wrong,” he said.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/35435.html

DebbieDoRight

July 21st, 2009
2:06 pm

Redneck:Well, I sure hope old Saxby didn’t go and spend all that money the F-22 people give him to make sure the plane was in the budget. Or else has a real good place to hide.

LMAO!!! :lol:

OMG Redneck you are too funny!!! Pretty soon we’re going to have to start a new game, “Where’s Saxby”; to try to find out where he’s hiding with those Defense Contractors’ money!!!

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
2:07 pm

NORMAL–I’m here in the briar patch! Actually, just got through. One of my parents with a special needs child needed to have some paperwork translated and explained…and, no, my feeling’s are not hurt. I rather like being compared to a little old lady in a check out line. Am kinda wondering who it was though…left, right, or center? :-)

DebbieDoRight

July 21st, 2009
2:08 pm

Spending even more money on the F-22’s is just supporting corporate WELFARE. Deal with it!!!

Cherokee

July 21st, 2009
2:08 pm

And once again, our idiot Senators are on the wrong side of common sense.

Specially Saxby – what a loser.

Pete

July 21st, 2009
2:12 pm

So, Abner, which “enemies” do we have that require F-22s to combat? Considering that the F-22 hasn’t flown a SINGLE MISSION in the two wars we have, just who exactly are we arming ourselves to go to war with?

Amazing, 1 billion dollars NOT spent, and you retards are complaining why?

Normal

July 21st, 2009
2:12 pm

Josef, Good! Always duty first. Good soldier, heh, heh

Paul

July 21st, 2009
2:13 pm

Just checked the Library of Congress. It’s not posted yet, but I’m pretty interested to see the party affiliation of the 40 -

Turd Ferguson

July 21st, 2009
2:16 pm

Yes…we need more pork stimulus programs for welfare, summer jobs, food stamps, Fannie/Freddie, GM/Ford, inner city plight, MLK papers, Southwestern Mustangs, Carbon credits, unprovable crazy theories like global warming/cooling or whatever todays catch phrase is, Aids in africa, caribbean voodoo education and a vertiable smorgasbord of BS.

Oh well I can only do my part and tighten my belt further.

@@

July 21st, 2009
2:16 pm

SoD Gates had earned the respect due him.

Odd headliner, jay. “Premature Emasculation”? Was this YOUR bukakke moment?

Sorry, just I couldn’t resist.

Doggone/GA

July 21st, 2009
2:17 pm

“Considering that the F-22 hasn’t flown a SINGLE MISSION in the two wars we have”

It wasn’t that, that got ME. It was the “average of $44,000 an hour” cost to fly it!

@@

July 21st, 2009
2:18 pm

make that “I just couldn’t…”

Normal

July 21st, 2009
2:19 pm

@@ Premature Emasculation, Wasn’t that one of the Bobbits?

@@

July 21st, 2009
2:21 pm

Normal:

I have no idea what you’re talkin’ about.

Brian

July 21st, 2009
2:22 pm

You have to understand Saxby’s position which is not unlike many other politicians. I heard Lockeed Martin employs some 9,000 people here in Georgia. To Saxby those are 9,000 potential votes he could lose if those people lose their jobs. As with too many politicians, Red or Blue, it isn’t about what’s right, it’s about whether this is going to gain or cost me support and potentially my job. Is the F-22 one hell of a fighter? Yes! Is it feasible to fly and continue to produce? No!

Paul

July 21st, 2009
2:23 pm

Doggone/GA

Pretty good clue as to why we spend about as much on Defense as the rest of the world combined, eh?

Oh great… I just realized I’ll have to work my whole life to pay for an hour of flying time…

Seriously, when they get the skin problems corrected, the cost will come way down. But it’ll still be hiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

George American

July 21st, 2009
2:24 pm

Now our anti-military, anti-military Kenyan borne Muslim president has shot down his 1st fight jet. Another great American weapon thrown in the ditch by a chickensh*t commie.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
2:24 pm

Didn’t the report on the F-22 say it took 41,000.00 dollars an hour to fly?

Normal

July 21st, 2009
2:25 pm

George American

July 21st, 2009
2:24 pm
Now our anti-military, anti-military Kenyan borne Muslim president has shot down his 1st fight jet
————–
GEORGE, four more and he’s an ace…

Brian

July 21st, 2009
2:25 pm

Nice word play there Jay! I suspect Obama gets a woody every time he thinks of a new way to impose government into our daily lives!

@@

July 21st, 2009
2:25 pm

The guy really is out of touch:

Obama questions motives of health care critics

No mention of his own Blue Dogs?

Trust me

July 21st, 2009
2:26 pm

It’s a start and a good one. We need to start putting the Corporate war machine back in its proper place and do some serious slashing on that $500+ billion DoD contribution to the deficit. What an absolute waste of tax dollars. And, as for Saxby, what a waste of tanning bed time and golf balls, amongst other things.

Doggone/GA

July 21st, 2009
2:29 pm

“Didn’t the report on the F-22 say it took 41,000.00 dollars an hour to fly?”

I’ve seen $41k, $44k, and $50k…take you pick

Turd Ferguson

July 21st, 2009
2:30 pm

Status quo…Obama blaming the opposite party, Republicans, for Healthcare block when his very own turned against it. If you are able, Tell the truth muslim barry.

Trust me

July 21st, 2009
2:33 pm

$40,000/hour! That’s like CEO pay in Corporate America, isn’t it.

Turd Ferguson

July 21st, 2009
2:36 pm

If one counts “kick-backs”, meal/travel compensation, lobbyist cash then its more like a Congressperson than a Corp CEO.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
2:38 pm

NORMAL–say what, Sonny, I need to turn up my hearin’ aid…

@@

July 21st, 2009
2:41 pm

AP WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats warned President Barack Obama on Tuesday that he sounded too much like George W. Bush when he declared this summer that the White House can ignore legislation he thinks oversteps the Constitution.

In a letter to the president, four senior House members said they were “surprised” and “chagrin ed” by Obama’s statement in June accompanying a war spending bill that he would ignore restrictions placed on aid provided to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

Obama said he wouldn’t allow the provisions to interfere with his authority as president to conduct foreign policy and negotiate with other governments.

The rebuff was reminiscent of Bush, who issued a record number of “signing statements” while in office. The statements put Congress on notice that the administration didn’t feel compelled to comply with provisions of legislation that it felt challenged the president’s authority as commander in chief.

Bush III. What goes around comes around.

Trust me

July 21st, 2009
2:56 pm

I think the right wing nuts have an opportunity here to really start a movement. They can combine the birthers with the tea partiers and sprinkle with some end timers and get together for a just say no in the nick of time to anything. Y’all need to get ole Newt and Rush and Hannity and a few others together and just have an old fashioned hootenanny.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
3:03 pm

@@, Elanna Bobbit and her prematurely emasculated husband

Gale

July 21st, 2009
3:04 pm

George American: The F22 is an over-priced, unreliable machine. The greatest American weapon is our marines, and soldiers on the ground. Spend that same budget to support them and the defense spending will pass.

DebbieDoRight

July 21st, 2009
3:07 pm

Normal: @@ Premature Emasculation, Wasn’t that one of the Bobbits?

Normal……you da MAN!!! It’s amazing how you managed to get that Wayne Bobbit comment in like that!!! I couldn’t even think of a good “emasculation” comment, (except maybe one about White/Whine–but that’s petty), but you came right out with that zinger!!! You go boy!!!

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
3:07 pm

I don’t see that it has anything to do with Obama. The less nuanced just can’t understand why you would kill a program at the same time you’re trying to save and create jobs. Never mind that the program is funded for 2 more years. Now if they’ll just kill the F-35.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
3:08 pm

Thank you Debbie, has to explain it to @@, tho…

@@

July 21st, 2009
3:10 pm

Normal:

I’m speculating that isn’t what jay meant. I never doubted that the program would be scrapped. Neither do I think that Obama was instrumental in the endeavor. I think it was all Gates. jay’s WaPo article didn’t mention this:

AP — The U.S. Senate backed U.S. President Obama’s administration by agreeing to remove a bill item that would finance the building of seven F-22 Raptors, The Associated Press reported July 21. The seven would have joined 187 fighter jets already in the pipeline. A Pentagon spokesman said spending on the stealth fighters would direct dollars away from other plans, such as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ hope to add 22,000 soldiers to the U.S. Army.

22,000 more boots on the ground.

Jefferson

July 21st, 2009
3:16 pm

Just wait till my brother gets off work.

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
3:17 pm

@@

July 21st, 2009
3:10 pm

Temporarily, through stop loss?

“Much has changed over the last two years, causing us to reassess whether we are properly sized to support current operational needs,” Gates said, adding the Army would swell to 569,000 soldiers, up from the current 547,000.

“The persistent pace of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last several years has steadily increased the number of troops not available for deployment in the Army.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090720/pl_afp/usmilitaryarmy_20090720195122

Normal

July 21st, 2009
3:19 pm

@@, As usual, I was just trying to be the class clown and lighten things up a little. As you know, or should know, I am elated that the program is dropped. Gates can use the money as the President directs but I’m still yelling for for more and better equipment for the troops already on the ground. better IED detection/protection, beans and bullets, uniforms and body armour. Having been in it, I want our young men and women to have it all when they have to step in it. Please forgive my jocularity if it offended you…

Normal

July 21st, 2009
3:20 pm

Jefferson…Movin’ on up?

DebbieDoRight

July 21st, 2009
3:27 pm

@@ Obama is Gates boss. Gates might pose a problem/question to Obama and have the answer ready; but Obama has to OK it before it can go forward.

Normal: I feel ya. We should at least make sure that defense dollars are spent on SERVICEMEMBERS instead of planes that don’t work. They can start with every military hospital that has to patch back up the wounded and then end with some programs to help the disabled veterans who gave their all for this country. Just saying……

godless heathen

July 21st, 2009
3:29 pm

>>I’ve seen $41k, $44k, and $50k…take your pick”

You mileage may vary.

@@

July 21st, 2009
3:30 pm

It didn’t offend me, Normal. I just don’t underestimate jay’s enthusiasm for snideness when it serves his interest.

godless heathen

July 21st, 2009
3:30 pm

Your mileage, I meant.

getalife

July 21st, 2009
3:37 pm

Score one and only one for fiscal sanity.

@@

July 21st, 2009
3:37 pm

I know that Debbie. I think Obama’s greatest joy comes when he gets to sign on that dotted line. I remember when he signed the FIRST stimulus bill. With a nonchalant flick of the wrist, he smiled and said…

It is done!

I was SO impressed!

NOT!

AmVet

July 21st, 2009
3:52 pm

“I think the right wing nuts have an opportunity here to really start a movement. They can combine the birthers with the tea partiers and sprinkle with some end timers and get together for a just say no in the nick of time to anything.”

Too long for a bumper sticker, but nonetheless funny as hell and oh so real.

Republiconned, they’re not just breakfast anymore…

Curious Observer

July 21st, 2009
3:52 pm

Interesting but typical: at 3:30 @@ chides Bookman for being snide; at 3:37 she follows up with a snide comment.

godless heathen

July 21st, 2009
3:52 pm

We could fly all 7 new Raptors 24/7 for a year and it would only cost $2.7 billion. That’s chump change these days.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
3:55 pm

Leavin’ for awhile(so soon, you say?) Going to see the Granddaughter…I’ll check back in later…that’s a warning!

Gale

July 21st, 2009
3:58 pm

except the Raptors are not reliable enough to fly 24/7 for a week, much less a year.

@@

July 21st, 2009
4:03 pm

Curious:

I was equally as disappointed when Bush let Paulson push the TARP bill on us. I said as much at Wooten’s. I show no favoritism when it comes to somebody wanting me to pay for their mistakes. I’ll gladly pay for my own.

Jake

July 21st, 2009
4:07 pm

There’s really very little difference between throwing away money on F-22s or on health insurance/care for illegal aliens. Either way some trickles down to the economy as a whole (i.e. the working ‘little people’) and the rest goes to fat cat investors, lawyers, lobbyists and the other beneficiaries of capitalism centralization.

@@

July 21st, 2009
4:08 pm

Curious? Where did I “chide” Bookman. Not underestimating jay’s enthusiasm for snideness is not chiding him!!!

Bud Wiser

July 21st, 2009
4:21 pm

From AP – By NANCY BENAC and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers Nancy Benac And Trevor Tompson, Associated Press Writers – 24 mins ago

WASHINGTON – That was fast.

The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama’s presidency are giving way to harsh realities.

An Associated Press-GfK Poll shows that a majority of Americans are back to thinking that the country is headed in the wrong direction after a fleeting period in which more thought it was on the right track.

The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration.

In Obama’s case, the problems he’s confronting domestically and internationally are legion, and his ability to blame them on his predecessor is fading.

It’s not just Obama who’s feeling the drag. Approval of Congress — already low — has gotten lower, slipping 6 percentage points to 32 percent.

The Dimwits are sowing their own seeds of self destruction, just as the Repugs did under, uh, what’s that guy’s name again, you know, the one that Obowo blames for everything he has shown he is incapable of handling? Come on people, a little help here, you know, Obowo’s reason for his economic stupidity being blasted across the front pages of rags like this every day, his incompetence and lack of smarts……come on, what’s the guy again that Obowo blames for making him look so stupid, now that he can’t blame him any more?

Yeah, just as Mrs G said for sure, Obowo’s got this one.

RW-(the original)

July 21st, 2009
4:23 pm

I’m sure the Pentagon is viewing this as a savings, but they should know that John Murtha is probably looking at this F-22 money as a new slush fund.

RW-(the original)

July 21st, 2009
4:33 pm

Paul,

Here’s the vote breakdown. Pretty bipartisan on both sides of the question.

@@

July 21st, 2009
4:48 pm

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
4:48 pm

RW-(the original)

Thanks for the breakdown. I admit, I saw the 58-40 and assumed it was party-line. So, there’s still some 30 senators who can cross lines…that’s a relief.

electrician

July 21st, 2009
4:49 pm

NORMAL @ 3:19 those are things wporth spending money on ,SUPPLY our troops with what they need, bgut another thing is more money in the PAYCHECK infantry pay is no where close to the pay of a rookie policeman, my son is infantry and if not for my support my 2 gandsons would be living at the poverty level SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND THEIR FAMILIES!>>GIVE THEM A RAISE>

Chris Salzmann

July 21st, 2009
4:54 pm

I Report :-) You Whine :-( July 21st, 2009 1:28 pm SAID: The vote was straight up surrender monkey versus Patriots, although apparently one or two SM’s showed some spine.

CHRIS SAYS: Yes, the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs, Defense Secretary Gates, John McCain, etc are all a bunch of “surrender monkeys”. And so were all the other Republicans (who have or grew a pair) who also voted against this program. ROFLMAO.

Chris Salzmann

July 21st, 2009
4:56 pm

George American July 21st, 2009 2:24 pm SAID: Now our anti-military, anti-military Kenyan borne Muslim president has shot down his 1st fight jet. Another great American weapon thrown in the ditch by a chickensh*t commie.

CHRIS SAYS: (Doing a cut and paste job here) Yes, the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs, Defense Secretary Gates, John McCain, etc are all a bunch of “chickensh*t commies”. Here’s more proof that the brain dead neo-cons are finally heading into the trash dump.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
4:57 pm

Chris–left you a post below

GreenJeans

July 21st, 2009
4:59 pm

Finn at 2:03…I got the visual here…

Wolfowitz: “Howbout I cut this thang down to SEVENTY-FIVE I say SEVENTY-FIVE billion…can we take it to ma’ sales manager? OK, what about SIXTY-FIVE, but I cayn’t go one penny lower without starving ma’ kids…”

Josef Nix at 2:07:

Allrighty now, I know that when someone needs something translated into Spanish they call my sister…when they need their performance reports translated they come to me…folks come to you when they need something translated into Special? You might want to keep that one off your resume…:-)

Paul

July 21st, 2009
5:00 pm

RW-(the original 4:33

Thanks.

Huh. A third of the ‘no’ votes on killing the F22 were for Dems.

So much for not being bought by corporate interests or putting the country’s interests above one’s reelection.

Night Train

July 21st, 2009
5:01 pm

From the AJC…

The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for expectations about creating jobs. Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points.

On overhauling health care, a signature issue for Obama, hopes for success are down a lesser 6 points.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
5:09 pm

Green Jeans @ 4:59–that’s a good one! :-)

Truth be told it was a two way translation, first I had to translate the “Educationalese” English into Spanish “Educationalese” and then the “Educationalese” into a language a reasonable intelligent, reasonably well-educated person could understand!

Joey

July 21st, 2009
5:09 pm

I think you are exaggerating President Obama’s impact on this vote. But that is your M.O.

RW-(the original)

July 21st, 2009
5:10 pm

josef and Paul,

Even the two supposed independents split on the question.

AmVet

July 21st, 2009
5:12 pm

electrician, your karma is amazing. I just this moment received this email:

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josef nix

July 21st, 2009
5:13 pm

RW-(the original)

I’m still looking at this…several states’ delegations split…there’s no regional pattern to speak of…

AmVet

July 21st, 2009
5:18 pm

Yeah, I too would have looked at 58 – 40 and thought, Oh no, here we go again.

Look how wrong you can be.

Is this a case where the Uppity Muslim actually is the de facto cause of some of that long sought after bipartisanship?

But Andy’s gonna be PO’d about these squishy reach across the aislers.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
5:21 pm

Here’s a “premature” uh, eja, er, whatever-

PRINCETON, NJ — As the debate over healthcare reform intensifies, the latest USA Today/Gallup poll finds that more Americans disapprove (50%) than approve (44%) of the way U.S. President Barack Obama is handling healthcare policy. There is a tremendous partisan gap in these views, with 74% of Democrats but only 11% of Republicans approving. Independents are more likely to disapprove than to approve of Obama’s work on healthcare.

Crash and burn, socialists, crash and burn.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
5:23 pm

Still on topic (who? Me?) I’m waiting to hear what our crew of partisan hacks have to say about this. Y’all know who you are: everything GOP bad, everything Demo good. Everything South bad, everything Northeast good. Two step this one!

Finn McCool

July 21st, 2009
5:26 pm

Even the SC and TN Republican Senators used good sense.

AmVet

July 21st, 2009
5:33 pm

Oh boy, the single greatest dufus in Georgia’s LONG list of political dufuses is of the “Once a fear-monger, Always a fear monger” school:

Gingrich: Country on ‘Edge of Catastrophe’

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the United States needs a dramatic increase in defense spending or it will risk a national catastrophe — from a nuclear or biological attack — that could kill several million Americans.

The Republidork probably already knows we spend as much as the rest of the planet combined on military spending, but he wants MORE!

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
5:36 pm

Just imagine, y’all, an American city lies in smoldering ruins and bookman writes a column blaming the Repugs who voted against the F22.

Think I’m kidding?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
5:46 pm

Yet for some Democrats, it was a foolish fight for Obama to elevate so high, with early, bluntly worded veto threats that left little room for compromise. Amid the troubled economy, F-22 supporters said thousands of aerospace jobs were being put in jeopardy for what is really a small percentage of the defense budget.

“That’s two-tenths of one percent of the budget before us,” said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, whose home state of Connecticut has a major stake in the manufacture of F-22 engines. “We’re told that there are at least 25,000 direct jobs and 95,000 direct and indirect jobs at stake for $1.75 billion or .2% of this budget…We’re about to put that many jobs across our country at risk.”

Hey, they got white flags they have to buy.

Trust me

July 21st, 2009
5:47 pm

You mean there were some Republicans that voted to actually do as they say and make a cut in spending. Well, it was a cut in war monger spending. Poor Republicans — torn between two lovers.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

Finn:

“Even the SC and TN Republican Senators used good sense.”

Or both California Democrats, depending on one’s view of the bill at hand.

BTW–just for the record, my “side” won….

Trust me

July 21st, 2009
5:52 pm

Gingrich is now saying we need an increase in DoD spending. And, it seems as though it were only yesterday that Republicans were complaining about spending too much and about the size of the deficit. If $500+ billion of the deficit going to the DoD isn’t enough, then how much is enough? China is really getting tired of spending their hard-earned money to buy our treasuries so we can build more weapons that can be used against them. Or, at least they should be.

Number1Ninja

July 21st, 2009
5:57 pm

OOOOOOH, we got rid of a couple of planes, what a cost saver. Cut it all in half and use it entirely to pay down the deficit, hell if China wasn’t itching to tank our currency, we wouldn’t have to have bases all around them anyways.

DoggoneGA

July 21st, 2009
5:58 pm

“China is really getting tired of spending their hard-earned money to buy our treasuries so we can build more weapons that can be used against them. Or, at least they should be”

Ok, I’m having trouble with this one! Does “Or, at least they should be” refer to the Chinese getting tired of buying our bonds? Or does it refer to the “weapons that can be used against them”?

Wooten's Yarns

July 21st, 2009
6:06 pm

Ok, I’m having trouble with this one! Does “Or, at least they should be” refer to the Chinese getting tired of buying our bonds? Or does it refer to the “weapons that can be used against them”?

Reverse roles and take your pick. What do you think is going through some of their minds, the ones with the money that we want to borrow. And, what price will we pay for it. There is no such thing as a free meal.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
6:14 pm

RW–be sure to repost that link at the next page. The real story here is this breakdown.

Bud Wiser

July 21st, 2009
6:17 pm

It is so hard to distinguish the chicksh*t Obowo cracker chasers here from the spinless chickensh*t politicians in Washington.

If Chris Dodd is so smart maybe he can get the govt a loan to continue F-22 stuff from his home state….. you know, a loan similar in style and structure that HE got for his home… oh wait, he didn’t know</i< he got preferential treatment.

Maybe Lispering Barney can jump into the fray (butt first, of course) and secure those poor folks that lose jobs employment or contracts elsewhere… you know, contracts like his variety of boyfriends acquired.

Can’t trust Pelosi to help; she doesn’t know the front from the back (sorry Barney) because everyone lies to her all of the time….. you know, just because she’s not paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get her.

If all else fails, get Teddy K. to take the protesters on a scenic drive near somewhere he is familiar with… you know, like Chappaquiddick or something.