The philosophical fraud of the ‘Thune amendment’

Right now, the U.S. Senate is debating an amendment proposed by John Thune of South Dakota — and co-sponsored by Georgia’s Johnny Isakson — that would require states to recognize concealed-weapons permits issued by other states, even if the laws in those other states might be considerably weaker.

For example, New York, a state that has chosen to enact very strict concealed-carry laws, would be forced to honor permits issued by Georgia, a state with very lax laws in that regard.

Philosophically, that seems a strange position for a states’-rights Republican like Thune, don’t you think? As a matter of principle, shouldn’t states have the right to set their own laws on such matters of public safety, without mandates from the federal government that interfere with their sovereignty?

As Brian Montopoli reports at a CBS News blog:

“In response to the introduction of the amendment, families of the victims of the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings placed a full-page ad in the Richmond Times-Dispatch urging Virginia’s two senators, Jim Webb and John Warner, to oppose it.

The ad says the amendment would make some of the gun laws the families have been fighting for “meaningless by forcing our law enforcement to honor permits from states with weaker rules.”

It notes, among other examples, that Virginia will not issue a concealed weapons permit to those who have received residential mental health or substance abuse treatment in the past five years, unlike some other states.”

The move is particularly interesting given that in Thune’s state of South Dakota, both chambers of the state Legislature recently passed resolutions reasserting state sovereignty and reminding the federal government that under the Tenth Amendment, “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution … are reserved to the states.”

Here in Georgia, the state Senate where Isakson once served passed a similar resolution, even threatening to absolve the Union if its demands for sovereignty are not honored. The Georgia resolution warned that any federal action “which assumes a power not delegated to the government of the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America,” and thus an end to the United States itself.

Isn’t the Thune amendment exactly the kind of federal overreach that such resolutions are meant to protest? If it passes, aren’t the states of South Dakota and Georgia honor-bound to secede in defense of their sovereignty?

Probably not, I suspect.

The contrast to the debate over gay marriage is telling. On that issue, conservatives insist that each state has the right to decide the matter for itself, and should not be forced to recognize marriages performed legally in other states. Yet surely a marriage license should be more portable from state to state, and more durable, than a permit to carry a concealed weapon. A marriage is a contract; surely a contract validated in one state should be valid in another, right?

Once again, I suspect probably not.

And then there’s the matter of abortion. Many pro-life advocates have argued that overturning the constitutional right to choose would merely return the issue to the states, where legislators would be free to decide for themselves whether to keep abortion legal.

I never bought it. That scenario requires you to believe that once freed of Roe, conservatives wouldn’t try to enlist the power of the federal government to outlaw abortion everywhere. It would require you to believe that pro-life advocates in Georgia or South Dakota would sit back while “child-murdering” continued in Illinois or Massachusetts.

The Thune amendment proves otherwise. Claims of “states’ rights,” like claims of “local control,” are philosophical frauds that conservatives wave around to oppose things they dislike, but conveniently ignore when pursuing goals they desire.

117 comments Add your comment

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
4:56 pm

Discussion should get interesting. Kamchak, probably best we not address any comments to each other if we want…well ’nuff said!

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

July 20th, 2009
5:00 pm

As long as Webb can still carry his hand cannon into the Halls of Congress, why should he worry over the rest of us?

Normal

July 20th, 2009
5:05 pm

Philosophically, that seems a strange position for a states’-rights Republican like Thune, don’t you think? As a matter of principle, shouldn’t states have the right to set their own laws on such matters of public safety, without mandates from the federal government that interfere with their sovereignty?

Sounds alot like socialism to me…wait! aren’t these Republicans?

Trust me

July 20th, 2009
5:06 pm

Well, that is just so “anti-states rights”. And from a ‘leader’ in a state that is all ready to secede in order to save itself from the mean old intrusive fed. Shame on you Johnny boy. Shame!

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
5:07 pm

I’ve decided you either grew up in a gun culture or you didn’t. And I didn’t. I suspect you’re right Jay, it’s the same old song and dance. Just dfepends on the issue and which way the wind is blowing.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

July 20th, 2009
5:10 pm

I thought so-

Traveling individuals must follow the laws of the host state, including laws concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may or may not be carried.“ Law-abiding South Dakotans should be able to exercise the right to bear arms in states with similar regulations on concealed firearms.” -Thune Amendment

All states but two, Illinois and Wisconsin, grant licenses to carry concealed weapons, but the standards vary greatly. Some states, for example, require applicants to take gun safety programs and pass written tests. Others refuse permits to anyone with misdemeanor gun convictions.-Democrat Underground ew

Now, tell us how many states allow gay marriage.

Normal

July 20th, 2009
5:11 pm

Praise G-d and pass the ammuntion, save the fetus, but forget the child,
States Rights or secession. Good Republican mantras..geez

HavingMySay

July 20th, 2009
5:13 pm

Funny…. because these same guys do not want to recognize same sex marriages from other states.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:13 pm

NORMAL–can’t tell a thing without a scorecard…jus’… oops @@’s here, oh well, you know what I mean.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:16 pm

Wait a minute, how did “my people” get dragged into this one. Did Fierce Advocate send out a memo I missed. What if you’re a gun totin’ (well baseball bat or switch blade totin’) f*ggot…which do I have to give up…? :-)

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:22 pm

Just for the record before we get too carried away on secession, 600,000 dead and a century and a half of sectional ill will and the question has never been resolved constitutionally…

FrankLeeDarling

July 20th, 2009
5:27 pm

Now that California wants to legalize pot they will not be screaming states rights much anymore.

HavingMySay

July 20th, 2009
5:32 pm

Does this new Republican philosopy mean we will soon be able to buy alcohol on Sunday, in Georgia? If I can get alcohol in other states on Sunday, I would like it in GA as well.

DoggoneGA

July 20th, 2009
5:36 pm

Shoot. This is nothing new. It all falls under “It’s Ok if you’re a Republican”
Once you’ve grasped that, it all falls into place.

Normal

July 20th, 2009
5:36 pm

If California DOES legalize pot, and if they issue permits to carry, will the other states have to allow that too?

Kamchak

July 20th, 2009
5:42 pm

Unlikely that this amendment will pass, but if it does and gets struck down the “activist judges” card will be played. No matter, either way the reactionaries will still bemoan that somehow, someway they are victims of a liberal socialistic fascist communist agenda.

Trust me

July 20th, 2009
5:44 pm

If California DOES legalize pot, and if they issue permits to carry, will the other states have to allow that too?

That depends on how big the pot lobby is. I mean, if the big money in the other drug businesses start throwing their big money toward Republicans like the gun manufacturers and the pharmas did, well, you know that old saying about Republicans, “…We’re just arguing over price now.”

Joey

July 20th, 2009
5:45 pm

I think the Thune Ammendment is an over-reach and should be defeated. It is a threat to States Rights which is under severe attack from other fronts. I am surprised that Isakson is a co-sponsor.

However, Jay, your rightous indignation at the gall of a politician over reaching is typical of your tunnel-vision whining against Conservtives. A big difference between you and the Conservative pundits in the AJC is that they do express disagreement with other Republican/Conservative positions. But we can always find a solid front from the AJCs Progressive Pundits and their Democrat bretheren.

Your reference to Georgia and S. Dakota seceding is nothing but cheap and emotional chum for the Jay-Birds combined with an effort to bait Conservatives. It appears that is the direction you feel you must go to make the blog successful.

Conveniently ignore, that is you up and down!

DoggoneGA

July 20th, 2009
5:45 pm

“the reactionaries will still bemoan that somehow, someway they are victims of a liberal socialistic fascist communist agenda.”

And that’s most likely the REAL reason besides bringing up anyway.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:49 pm

Trust Me–agreed, and if they start throwing money toward the Democrats,,,just depends on whose wh*rehouse we’re visiting…

Normal

July 20th, 2009
5:51 pm

just depends on whose wh*rehouse we’re visiting…

Just as long as it’s not another Texas one for a while…;>)

Redneck Convert

July 20th, 2009
5:54 pm

Well, I’m all for this Thune thing. I always wanted to walk down the streets of that godless New York City with my antitank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense. And I would just dare the punks up there on the streets to bother me. They would end up with more holes than Peachtree Street.

I just hope it don’t go the other way too. I mean, I sure wouldn’t want GA to be made to accept a gay marriage that took place in Vermont or Iowa or one of the other weird Northren states. None of us are ready for that. In the first place, we wouldn’t know what to call them–Mr. Jones and his wife Mr. Jones, or Mr. Jones and his wife Mr. Smith, or Mr. Jones and the little missus guy. In the second place, it would be hard to blast the gays in church with them setting right there.

Maybe we might could think about this Thune thing some more. It could turn out real nasty for us down here. Have a good night everybody.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:55 pm

NORMAL–ain’t Texas seceded yet?

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
5:59 pm

Sounds to me like the whole intent of this amendment is to get it defeated with a big Democrat majority so that when the argument comes up that states have to recognize gay marriage this will be a precedent to point to.

DoggoneGA

July 20th, 2009
5:59 pm

“Conveniently ignore, that is you up and down”

Start now.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
5:59 pm

Redneck–well, I learned around here that it’s probably best to say Mr (or Ms) So and So and the Unmentionable. But be careful what you say.keep tellin’ ‘em to shut up and go away an’ sumbody’s liable to thank you’re one of the libruls…

Bosch

July 20th, 2009
6:08 pm

Isakson actually sponsored something? Wow. That’s news.

Bud Wiser

July 20th, 2009
6:09 pm

I have a state issued concealed weapon permit for Georgia. Of course, all of the background checks done outside my respective county’s sherrif department were sent to the feds, so why not a nation-wide permit?

Well, because some states will see it first as a cut into their own revenue stream, however small that may be, and that is unacceptable to the feeders on the trough.

I haven’t found it difficult however, to drive all over the eastern US with my 9mm in the center console of my vehicle. It doesn’t jump out and throw itself to the side of the road when I cross state lines. It doesn’t shoot anyone of its own volition. It just stays there nice and quiet like.

As I’ve always said, I’d rather be the guy sitting in the courtroom explaining why I had that pistol licensed from Georgia in my possession in Ohio, and shot the poor bastard that was trying to rob me, rather than having my widow and children and grandchildren sit there listening to why this poor, disadvantaged youth shot me to death for my wallet, my truck, my shoes, blah, blah, blah

Kamchak

July 20th, 2009
6:11 pm

RW

Thanks for the tip on Firefox. I was looking for a spell check on what I wrote–not something that monitors while I’m writing.

getalife

July 20th, 2009
6:13 pm

I thought cons were for State’s rights.

Anyhoo, we should all carry arms because the American taliban will continue to get stupid.

Joey

July 20th, 2009
6:14 pm

Jay up and down, last sentence of post:
“philosophical frauds ………. , but convenienty ignore when pursuing goal that they desire.”

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
6:14 pm

Kamchak,

You’re welcome, but wouldn’t this be just what you want? When you misspell a word in the comment box it underlines it and then you can right click on the underlined word for suggestions or just correct it on the fly.

Trust me

July 20th, 2009
6:18 pm

“When I was sitting down I was beside Sen. Obama, the star said the future President whispered to him, ‘Nice work with the hug dodge.’”

Bono admitted he passed on the embrace because he didn’t get along with Bush, and told the former President of his strong stance against war — although he did praise him for tripling U.S. aid to developing countries.

Dang! President Obama really pays attention to detail, doesn’t he? I’ll bet that if those Republicans try to sneak through a bill that contradicts their past stance on state’s rights, he’ll spot that too.

Kamchak

July 20th, 2009
6:20 pm

RW

Yes another example that Firefox has advantages over IE. I use an air-card and Firefox crashes more often than IE, so some things are a trade-off.

getalife

July 20th, 2009
6:22 pm

Kamchak,

Download Google toolbar and it has a spell check you can use with IE 8.

Joey

July 20th, 2009
6:23 pm

I wonder if Bono has an opinion of Afghanistan. If so, is it consistant or convenient?

Trust me

July 20th, 2009
6:28 pm

And, what’s this talk about Republicans trying to get all clever by introducing this bill. Haven’t they figured out that getting ‘clever’ on guns to set the stage for a ‘Gotcha’ on gay rights while part of the Republican party is trying to bring gays into the fold sounds sort of like more of that cutting off the nose to spite the face philosophy. Anyway, go for it. Maybe the GOP could even call in Rumsfeld to get some pointers from him on arms dealing. Apparently he’s got more experience in that area that just the old Saddam handshake. He also sat on the board of an engineering conglomerate that sold nuclear technology to North Korea. Imagine that.

Bud Wiser

July 20th, 2009
6:29 pm

Afghanistan – Obowo’s “Vietnam”

Most deaths of American soldiers yet, but the nose scraping bowmeister just shrugs it off as the cost of doing business.

Maybe his ‘health care’ will help.

What a loser, especially you tools that still chase the cracker.

Kamchak

July 20th, 2009
6:33 pm

getalife

Thanks, now I can get rid of that dog-eared dictionary.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
6:34 pm

Kamchak,

Safari has done lots of updates lately. You might want to download that and give it a shot. It handles video much better than Firefox or IE.

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
6:39 pm

NORMAL–gotcha! Done.

Kamchak

July 20th, 2009
6:45 pm

RW

Good to know. Choices, choices, choices.

Paul

July 20th, 2009
6:49 pm

Philosophical inconsistency. Music to a columnist’s ears.

I’ll resist the urge to point out examples of liberal inconsistency, as two wrongs don’t make a right….

Paul

July 20th, 2009
6:50 pm

RW-(the original)

How’s Safari stack up on stuff other than video?

josef nix

July 20th, 2009
6:59 pm

PAUL–liberal inconsistency? DADT.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
7:11 pm

Paul,

When I first tried Safari it locked up for no apparent reason at the strangest of times so I quit using it, but they’ve put out two new versions since. I checked it out a little and noticed the video was still better but I haven’t really taken it around the web yet. I’ll try to do that tonight or tomorrow and get back to you.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

July 20th, 2009
7:23 pm

I’m pretty sure that Microsoft is stacking the deck against Firefox, they just updated to the new “stable” version 3.5.1 which once downloaded onto the Management’s Thinkpad Core 2 Duo promptly crashed and burned.

DoggoneGA

July 20th, 2009
7:35 pm

“I’m pretty sure that Microsoft is stacking the deck against Firefox”

Trust me, they won’t stack it TOO far…because if you have problems with IE, they use FIREFOX to fix it.

JSM

July 20th, 2009
7:36 pm

Anti-gun articles like this are why I refuse to ever pay a penny for an AJC. I’ll bake a cake and eat it too when his paper finally goes bankrupt. Now, If I could just find a way to filter AJC articles from my google search results.

DoggoneGA

July 20th, 2009
7:40 pm

“Anti-gun articles like this”

Only the conned could label an opinion piece an “article” and then misread an opinion about a philosophical betrayal as being “anti-gun”

We have just GOT to get better education in this state.

Normal

July 20th, 2009
7:46 pm

Josef, back at cha later, just found out another Granddaughter is in the hospital. Headed there now…

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
7:49 pm

Bud Wiser

July 20th, 2009
6:29 pm

Have you missed that Russia and China are actually helping in this endeavor?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3730408,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/russia.afghanistan.help.conference/index.html

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
7:55 pm

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
7:58 pm

Safari takes imported bookmarks literally, it does not open the newest version of the webpage, it tries to open the page from the day you bookmarked it.

Strike one.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
7:59 pm

Good job on the :-( though.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
8:03 pm

Andy,

Any browser is going to take you to where you bookmarked the page. I just noticed a very cool feature called “top sites” that you can customize to get all the lib trash they put in to begin with out. That way you can get a wall of your favorite sites with a snapshot of the front page and a hot link to the page from the wall.

Emory Eagle

July 20th, 2009
8:03 pm

Bitters much tonight, Jay? Speak for yourself regarding conservatives and their “philosophical frauds” because many of us actually know the importance that states play in our republic. There are lots of hypocritical politicians out there, but they don’t speak for me. I love how you oh so wisely grouped fit conservatives into a narrow stereotype. That’s like saying that every liberal wants a socialized America. I imagine that if someone said that to you, you’d be all sorts of ticked off.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
8:08 pm

Safari pop up ad, Will Smith pop up ad at that.

Strike two and three.

RW- I imported the bookmarks from Firefox and it tried to open a long ago Palin Derangement Syndrome blog from bookman, all I got was a blank page with a bookman header. I had to back out to Google to get to the Gay Marriage Derangement Syndrome blog.

Uh oh, Safari is flagging Palin as a misspelling, strike four.

And five.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
8:09 pm

Safari is fast, though.

We’ll see how long that lasts.

jt

July 20th, 2009
8:10 pm

“I imagine that if someone said that to you, you’d be all sorts of ticked off.”

no he wouldn’t.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
8:17 pm

Andy,

It does seem like you have to have popups either on or off which might be strike six unless it customizes each page without telling you.. It really does play better videos though. I like to go to the MLB hompage and click on the gameday feature to get to real time scoring for individual games, but Safari treats them like popups.

David Codrea

July 20th, 2009
8:20 pm

So–are you going to point out the “philosophical fraud” of ATF telling Tennessee and Montana they won’t recognize state sovereignty in re firearms manufactured solely in intra-state commerce? Or does “home rule” only work when it advances the interests of the statists?

C’mon Jay, how about some logical consistency here…

jconservative

July 20th, 2009
8:23 pm

The Thune Amendment is not relevant in the next 3 years. Cases in the pipeline headed for the SCOTUS will resolve the issue. It appears Scalia will write for majority that applies the 2nd AM. to the States.
(Remember he passed on the issue in the Heller case but noted the issue in his Footnote #23)
(More Scalia from the Heller case: : ” the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose…”)

He will probably spell out what States can & cannot do. And Scalia’s history shows that he could care less what Congress thinks.

Redneck Convert

July 20th, 2009
8:24 pm

Well, I been to Billy Bob’s and back and you folks are still jawing about the Thune thing. I’m warning you, let it go if you don’t want to see this Josef Nix strutting in GA in his wedding gown. Of course, there’s always retarded people that can’t stay on the topic. A whole bunch of folks are talking in code about Firefox and IE and Safari and junk most folks can’t understand. They need to go to school and get taught by @@. She’ll beat some sense into them and turn them into good Conservatives besides.

I’m headed to bed now if the missus stops snoring. See you in the morning.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
8:26 pm

RW- Exactly where I’m at, White Sux versus Rays, I right clicked on “gameday” and opened it in a separate window.

I looked at the pop up stopper and it was checked. Only one Will Smith so far. Funny, you can sweep through pages you’ve already viewed under the bookmarks menu, sure enough, there was Will Smith, amongst all the others.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
8:31 pm

Andy did it open a new window or a new tab? When I turned off the popup blocker it opened in a new window. Still no Will Smith though.

Emory Eagle

July 20th, 2009
8:32 pm

jt

I’m being somewhat facetious, but I think you get my drift. The door swings both ways, and as long as we’re pointing out the extremes of American politics, why don’t we talk about the views of Pelosi, Reid, et al. These democrats know no boundaries when it comes to the reach of the federal government.

DB, Gwinnettian

July 20th, 2009
8:34 pm

jcon @ 8.32 is right–Fat Tony and his mob decided states rights don’t exist when it comes to guns.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
8:34 pm

I opened it into a new window with the pop up stopper active.

I’ll tell you what, this thing is fast, no matter what paces I put it through.

Hopefully Will will stay gone.

RW-(the original)

July 20th, 2009
8:40 pm

It switches between games way faster than Firefox.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 20th, 2009
8:40 pm

I went to shut Firefox down and, of course, it was (Not Responding)

ew

Kayaker 71

July 20th, 2009
8:43 pm

Application for a gun permit in Georgia is not as easy as one might think. It took about four hours in an office in Macon where I was fingerprinted, interviewed and relieved of 40$. About one week later, the permit came in the mail following scrutiny regarding my any past criminal record or felony conviction.
Compare this to Alabama where in New Brockton, AL, I presented myself at the sheriff’s office, which was in the local county jail. The clerk asked me if I had a criminal record and I said no. She said, “Sign here”. 20$ later, I was out the door.
Apply in Michigan and it will cost you $250. You must attend a gun safety course and a panel of so called “gun experts” interviews you and decides whether or not you qualify for a permit. They turn a lot of people down, despite the 2nd Amendment.
It would be nice to have universal reciprocity throughout the whole country. It will still not keep most of us from carrying a weapon in the car on a trip through a state which does not issue concealed permits or does not have reciprocity with other states.
As an aside, it surprises me that Bookman is such a states rights advocate.

jt

July 20th, 2009
8:48 pm

Emory Eagle – I know.

“The Thune amendment proves otherwise. Claims of “states’ rights,” like claims of “local control,” are philosophical frauds that conservatives wave around to oppose things they dislike, but conveniently ignore when pursuing goals they desire.”

The Thune Admendment might have Republican Politics written all over it, but there is nothing “conservative” about it.

No matter how much the word “conservatism” is hi-jacked for political purposes, the great silent conservative majority of America is slowly awakening and is tempering the more egregious affronts to our liberty.

jconservative

July 20th, 2009
8:58 pm

Kayaker 71

See my comment at 8:23 pm – the Court has not yet applied the 2nd Am to the states. Here is Scalia’s footnote #23:

” With respect to Cruikshank’s continuing validity on incorporation, a question not presented by this case, we note that Cruikshank also said that the First Amendment did not apply against the States and did not engage in the sort of Fourteenth Amendment inquiry required by our later cases. Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government.”

This is the last word on the 2nd Am re: the States from the Supreme Court.

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Rough Ronnie Ferguson

July 20th, 2009
9:52 pm

Free ye Olde Wylde Bylle.

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
9:55 pm

jconservative

July 20th, 2009
8:58 pm

Is it really that complicated? It’s clear to me that it applies to a state’s right to form a militia. But we’ve got more militia now than we can pay, if you define militia as any state employee that uses a firearm in carrying out their assigned duties. And that doesn’t include the national guard.

But the court disagreed, in another 5-4 decision:

“Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by “the historical narrative” both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.” (Huh?)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372041,00.html

RB from Gwinnett

July 20th, 2009
9:59 pm

Jay, Don’t drivers licences fit in this category too? Are you saying we shouldn’t be able to drive in other states with a GA license? Or do you only have a probelm with the concealed carry permit because it’s something you don’t agree with in the first place?

Thune Ammendment - Sportbikes.net

July 20th, 2009
10:00 pm

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TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
10:07 pm

jconservative

July 20th, 2009
8:58 pm

I started at the bottom and went up. It’s obvious you’re up on this. What is your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment? I heard Sotomayor say something similar to the Scalia quote you posted at her hearing the other day. Sounded rather strange to me. Maybe you can explain it?

@@

July 20th, 2009
10:14 pm

Well, jay, republicans and democrats alike are all looking for their 15 minutes of “pain”.

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
10:19 pm

RB from Gwinnett

July 20th, 2009
9:59 pm

I think a state has the right to not recognize your license, but they all have agreed to. Still looking:

http://volokh.com/posts/1184739962.shtml

http://www.californiaduihelp.com/california_dmv/out_of_state_driver.asp

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
10:23 pm

Watchtower Headlines – July 21, 2009
All Along The Watchtower

July 20th, 2009
9:17 pm

Be careful what you write. No telling where it will end up.

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
11:23 pm

New “tool” in war o drugs:

The Associated Press

NEW YORK — The Department of State offered up to $50 million Monday for information leading to the arrests of 10 top Mexican drug suspects accused of key roles in a violent organization estimated to have sold more than $1 billion worth of drugs in the United States.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/us-offers-95795.html

Zac Bogstad

July 20th, 2009
11:24 pm

States rights are fine but isn’t the right to bare arms a constitutional right? Shouldn’t the federal government protect that right?

TnGelding

July 20th, 2009
11:59 pm

Or is it a right to arm bears?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
6:12 am

The event (Health Care Lies and Other Total Exaggerations Press Conference) was announced Friday afternoon as Obama battles to bolster congressional support for an ambitious health-care overhaul while facing dropping approval ratings.

But broadcasters are struggling with falling approval ratings of their own; Nielsen’s audience measurements show viewership in a summertime slump.

If they think viewer numbers are low now, wait until the gasbag starts spinning up his socialist fairy tales, people will be falling out of their Lazy Boy’s.

Bud Wiser

July 21st, 2009
7:08 am

TG, unlike Obowo’s loyal following of drooling minions, I don’t miss very much at all that fool is doing.

However, I might remind you that many years back, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, then after a while became so mired down and frustrated that they just pulled up stakes , slogged down a few shots of Stoly, and bolted.

And they were, geographically, just down the street, so to speak.

Although I like the ultimate goal of chasing down Bin Laden and his packs of murdering dogs, a rational person has to admit that in the greater range of view, this isn’t much different from Iraq. AND, it is posing to be a logistical nightmare.

Where oh where are the ‘media’ updates on dead soldiers? Where is the streaming video of returning caskets? Where is the outcry to ‘Leave Afghanistan now!’ from the NYT and the other media sycophants? My how things change when these alleged journalists are embedded deeply up Obowo’s rear end.

Doggone/GA

July 21st, 2009
7:28 am

“Or is it a right to arm bears?”

Or the right to wear sleeveless shirts?

Normal

July 21st, 2009
7:34 am

Driver Licenses: If you move to a new State you have to get that states license within thirty days, I believe.
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Health care; Had a very vivid personal experience last night. My youngest daughters only daughter, age seven has what is believed to be a urinary tract infection that has affected her kidneys. I say ‘believed” because she has to endure more tests today. My daughter works for Cherokee School System, so she is covered, but emergency room cost, hospital room, food, meds, countless tests, co-payments, and consultation fees are adding up. Argue all you want, but for the working poor, even the ones that have coverage, an event like this really hurts financially. We need a better system, period.

Finn McCool

July 21st, 2009
7:34 am

It should be so difficult to buy a gun that it’s just not worth it to bother doing.

And I’ll vote for that.

DB, Gwinnettian

July 21st, 2009
7:35 am

Where is the outcry to ‘Leave Afghanistan now!’ from the NYT and the other media sycophants?

Jeebus on a trailer hitch, are you really this ignorant? the NYT was an Iraq war cheerleader. Do the words “Judith Miller” and “proved f—ing right” not ring a bell?

As for current coverage, you can find it easily enough–that your own preferred right wing “news” outlets can’t be bothered at the moment would indicate they have other priorities right now, nothing more.

Turd Ferguson

July 21st, 2009
7:36 am

Bono is a jackass anyway. U2 is much ado about nothing.

Copyleft

July 21st, 2009
8:03 am

The phrase “States’ Rights” has always been a cover story for far-right conservatives to push their anti-American agenda. To suggest that they should actually hold a consistent position is laughable.

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
8:06 am

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

July 21st, 2009
6:12 am

You really need to reevaluate Obama. You’ve got him pegged wrong. He’s acting now out of necessity. Once this economic crisis, that started nearly 2 years ago, is over look out. He will certainly be less popular then, because he’s going to ask for sacrifice from all of us. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to apologize.

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
8:11 am

Bud Wiser

July 21st, 2009
7:08 am

Well, like I’ve said before, I ain’t got no quarrel with no Taliban. They need to get UBL and get out. Should have never gone in in the first place. Military should have been used covertly.

Don’t forget we were doing everything we could to see that the Soviets failed, when in hindsight it would have been to our benefit if they had succeeded in stabilizing the country.

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
8:14 am

Doggone/GA

July 21st, 2009
7:28 am

Now, now, now. Don’t get picky.

Mine wasn’t originial. It was on a decal I got from an animal rights group.

Normal

July 21st, 2009
8:39 am

Guys and gals…and Jay,
This is way off subject, but does anyone know anything about “votingbloc.org”? I just checked my email and they sent a thing
about someboby being on the Colbert Report. The reason I ask is I recently sent two nastygrams to Isakson, and Chambliss. I don’t want to be on a mailing list from anything to do with those two. Help me out.
Thanks

TnGelding

July 21st, 2009
8:39 am

Normal

July 21st, 2009
7:34 am

Hope she recovers 100%.

It’s a traumatic, costly experience, even with insurance. I agree with those that think the savings should pay for the additional costs. No need to tax the rich or anyone else.

josef nix

July 21st, 2009
8:57 am

NORMAL–l hoping all turns out well for the grandbaby—

REDNECK–Aw, I wuz fixin to ast you to be my matron of honor…!