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DB, Gwinnettian
July 20th, 2009
1:47 pm
Whiner, that quote is bogus. And I think you know it’s bogus.
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
1:47 pm
“Nads? What Nads?”
Exactly my point.
barry
July 20th, 2009
1:48 pm
funny… this is satire, published by the onion which all rational people know is meant to be funny, and look at all the conservatives that are cluelessly saying ‘i told you so’. made my day.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 20th, 2009
1:48 pm
How bogus? So bogus that the Freeperati don’t even believe it.
Bosch
July 20th, 2009
1:56 pm
DB,
Don’t ruin Andy’s legends. That’s just mean.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 20th, 2009
1:59 pm
Don’t ruin Andy’s legends. That’s just mean.
No, “mean” would be pointing out that you’d have to be too stupid to breathe in order to believe a “respected North Vietnamese general” would say “We were ready to surrender! But boy howdy, that Walter Cronkite, he pulled our chestnuts out of the fire! Thank you godless liberal American media!”
jt
July 20th, 2009
2:00 pm
Pressure Drop.
Toots and the Maytalls or the Clash?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyv16mZakVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBEd4mvXGbM&feature=related
or the Specials.????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUxWmDgSXP4&feature=related
I need to know ya’ll’s opinion.
Bosch
July 20th, 2009
2:00 pm
DB,
Well…..when you put it that way.
Paul
July 20th, 2009
2:04 pm
RealityKing 12:00
[[I pay $3200 a year for my family plan, dental included. Don’t have healthcare? Get a decent education and a job!!]]
Our system is set up so the kind of coverage you get and how much you pay is determined by who you work for.
It’s not about a decent education – it’s about the job.
UAW workers and other union workers? Gold plated coverage at little cost to themselves. I was vacationing in upstate NY – item in the paper – the village workers are unionized. Never paid any of their costs. One year to negotiate a contract – now they pay, per month, $10 for an individual and $20 for a family.
My sister – goooood education, a teacher (that’s the ‘job’ part) in Texas – health insurance is by district, for all employees. Policy for her and her husband is over $900 a month. You read it right –
I come back to a basic question: if we were starting from scratch, with no policies or costs in place, is the system we have the one we would choose to implement?
I think not.
electrician
July 20th, 2009
2:11 pm
I;ve been paying on my health insurance with my company[so have they]for nearly 25 years now,and just got a notice from aetna that soon they would no longer pay for me to go to ANY Wellstar facility.where does this fit into this mess? they say it;s because they cant reach an agreement on cost reimbursement.somebody please tell me how this fits into this mess.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
July 20th, 2009
2:14 pm
Kamchak 1:47 pm
Are you an 8th grader? Between the use of the slang “nads” and your desire to see a reprint that you apparently consider to be a “dirty” word, one can only conclude that you lack maturity and perspective.
If it makes you happy, I’ll reaffirm that I wrote something along the line that, when face to face with world leaders, Obumbler is so submissive that one might conclude that he takes on the demeanor of the lead in a bukkake movie. There, it is written in context and appropriately to describe his demeanor.
Now, among mature adults, there may be those who disagree with my conclusion, but I doubt that there will be any who become upset over my clinical reference to such vivid imagery.
Are you happy, now and, most of all, will you leave me alone?
Gandalf, the White! (Mufti of Gwinnett!)
July 20th, 2009
2:18 pm
John Kerry and Al Gore, pride of the American liberal camp!
Curious Observer
July 20th, 2009
2:21 pm
electrician@2:11–Here’s how it fits in. You have an insurance company in the middle–squarely between you and the healthcare providers. The insurance company makes its money by squeezing both of you–by maximizing your company’s premiums and your deductibles and co-pays, and by minimizing the reimbursement for services to your doctors, HMO, hospital, etc. If, in renegotiating a services contract, a Wellstar decides it cannot afford to treat so many covered patients for such a low reimbursement, your company’s insurance company will turn to other providers that will do so. You are merely an afterthought. Believe me, your company’s insurance company’s executives will not say, “But if we stop doing business with Wellstar, Electrician will be very unhappy.”
And that’s it in a nutshell. The insurance company exists to maximize its profit and minimize its costs. Your 25 years as an employee covered by your company’s medical insurance plan bears absolutely zero weight on the decision.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:23 pm
Finn:
You’ve lost the latinos, the gays, the young, the blacks. All you have left are angry old white guys. They are coming back to you alright…with the help of a walker.
No Republican myself and would never vote for one, but you might want to look twice at who’s doing their own fine job of losing the gays, Fierce Advocate has made it more than clear that we have no spot on his bus…
Normal
July 20th, 2009
2:24 pm
Gandalf, be careful with what you write. You wrote: (Mufti of Gwinnett!)
———–
Heh, heh, I saw (Muffin of Gwinnett!)…oops!
Normal
July 20th, 2009
2:26 pm
Josef…Let’s just buy our own bus, I mean, damn…
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:28 pm
Kamchak–
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr @ 2:14, put that one on the list, verboten oder nicht verboten hier
@@
July 20th, 2009
2:31 pm
jay: When time allows I like to visit your blogroll sites. I just dropped in at Tondee’s Tavern. There’s a contributor over there headlining with this:
Trying My Hand at Redistricting: Georgia Democratic Gerrymander Using DRA
His/her goal is to promote the election of democrats through, what I call district rigging. Anyhoo, his whole concept is built on racial demographics. I was wondering if you could recall when your political divos/divas began to divvy the spoils “using race” as their main objective?
Kinda sad to me.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:32 pm
NORMAL–gotcha…never expected THAT bus to stop, anyway, but I do wish the passangers and the conductor would quoit chunkin’ rocks out the window at me, too…
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
2:34 pm
Thanks to John Amato at Crooks and Liars for this….
Talking heads ignore Friday’s late night CBO score on the House bill
By John Amato Monday Jul 20, 2009 11:00am
All the Sunday shows and anti-health care reform members of Congress have jumped on Doug Elmendorf’s testimony, but ignored another CBO report. I wonder why?
Digby:
Not that it matters, since the showboating Senators had to have a dramatic hearing with the CBO chief before the committees were finished and the resultant headlines have been disseminated as if they came down from Mt Sinai, but this was released last night by the From the House Energy, Ways and Means and Education and Labor committees:
For Immediate Release:
July 17, 2009
CBO Scores Confirms Deficit Neutrality of Health Reform Bill
Washington, D.C. — The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released estimates this evening confirming for the first time that H.R. 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act, is deficit neutral over the 10-year budget window – and even produces a $6 billion surplus. CBO estimated more than $550 billion in gross Medicare and Medicaid savings. More importantly, the bill includes a comprehensive array of delivery reforms to set the stage for lowering the future growth in health care costs.
Net Medicare and Medicaid savings of $465 billion, coupled with the $583 billion revenue package reported today by the House Committee on Ways and Means, fully finance the previously estimated $1.042 trillion cost of reform, which will provide affordable health care coverage for 97% of Americans.
“This fulfills the strong commitment of the President and House leadership to enact health reform on a deficit-neutral basis,” said Chairman Henry A. Waxman, Chairman Charles B. Rangel, and Chairman George Miller. “The reforms included in this legislation will help control health care costs and expand access to quality, affordable coverage to all Americans in a fiscally-responsible manner.”
The estimates also cover important reinvestments in Medicare and Medicaid, including phasing in the closing of the “donut” hole in the Medicare drug benefit. The bill’s long-term reform of Medicare’s physician fee schedule to eliminate the potential 21 percent cut in fees, and put payments on a sustainable basis for the future, will cost about $245 billion. Those costs, however, are not included in the net calculations above, as they will be absorbed under the upcoming statutory “pay go” legislation that is pending in the House.
Naturally, the inviolate Chuck Todd 30,000 feet rule of reporting is in effect and the Politico headlines reads this way: CBO deals another blow to House health plan…read on
And Jonathan Cohn makes a great point that I hope Congress reads:
One last point: Do remember that even if reform ends up without game-changing cost control, it may create political conditions that make future cost control more likely. That seems to be happening in Massachusetts, which enacted sweeping coverage expansions a few years ago. Remember, too, even if reform did nothing but guarantee everybody access to care, without bending the curve, it’d still be a pretty big accomplishment.
We’re trying to have real change here and all the press and republicans are doing is whipping up the money-fear thingy. But spending billions on two disgraceful wars is just OK. Forget about the balancing act—if it costs a little more, then go for it–full throttle.
#########################
repeated for emphasis
CBO Scores Confirms Deficit Neutrality of Health Reform Bill
############################################################
We will get healthcare reform this year. AND it will be just the first step.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:34 pm
@@–redistricting…I agree with the Libertarian candidate after the last re-draw, “a drunken oragutan with a box of crayons could have done a better job.”
electrician
July 20th, 2009
2:34 pm
curious@ 2;21 sounds right to me,its gonna put me about 35 miles from an approved hospital, so Obamas gonna fix this ya think.
Trust me
July 20th, 2009
2:39 pm
Are you happy, now and, most of all, will you leave me alone?
What is it with your kind? You come here posting trash in order to get your fix in the form of a rise and then you think you have the right to privacy…on a blog. Grow up.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
2:39 pm
Josef, I would say “let them without sin cast the first…”, but I just learned to duck…most times…
Citizen of the World
July 20th, 2009
2:41 pm
Health care reform at the very least (!) ought to make all health insurance not for profit. It’s bad enough that insurance, which adds nothing to actual patient care, is part of the equation, but when you factor in the profit motive you have a clear and corrupting conflict of interest. That’s why they routinely raise premiums and deductibles, deny claims and/or rescind policies.
Other countries recognized this long ago and adopted universal health care plans that eliminate for-profit insurance companies from the basic equation. We need to do the same thing.
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
2:43 pm
josef
I’ve had numerous seemingly innocuous posts held in moderation,and I can’t believe that got through electronic and organic moderators.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:45 pm
NORMAL–sin and the first stone: Ah, but when the Conductor is the Messiah, the sanctified passengers get a better shot…!
Normal
July 20th, 2009
2:48 pm
This crazy voice keeps asking this question in my head…It to you anti-health care folks…Why is it better to spend billions of dollars, on say, the F22, or the F-35, or an aircraft carrier, but it’s not ok to spend billions of dollars on health care for everyone. Just think what the money from one less aircraft carrier would do for health care…
and on that note, I propose we sell the USS REAGON and use that money…I hear it runs on a deficit anyway…;>)
Disgusted
July 20th, 2009
2:49 pm
By all means, keep squeezing Medicare reimbursements to doctors and we’ll end up with even fewer providers who accept Medicare.
My current physician won’t accept Medicare because of its low reimbursement rates and the slow turnaround on claims. His office will file the paperwork on my behalf, with any Medicare payment to be sent directly to me. If it were not for the fact that I’m also covered by a private medical insurance plan, I would have no choice but to change doctors.
Physicians’ refusal to accept Medicare patients is becoming commonplace. And Congress is playing a very dangerous game by using a reduction in Medicare reimbursement rates as a means of lowering the projected cost of universal health care. By so doing, Congress is making Medicare even more unacceptable to health care providers.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
2:50 pm
Kamchak, is an organic moderator one who is grown in s**t?
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:51 pm
Kamchak–it’s amazing, isn’t it? And really the AJC ought to give us an explanation so we know and don’t come to the conclusion that there’s something political and or personal at work…it really does bring their credibility into question and stymies timely, effective response and, as you and I know, leads to misunderstanding and, for lack of a better word, hurt feelings. Funny thing though, had one held this a.m. for just a few minutes, understood to a degree and was able to correct it and get it past. But the prompt release in relation to the days-long delays on others…well…go figure.
AmVet
July 20th, 2009
2:52 pm
jowdr, whatever you do, DO NOT reference JoeCocker spelled correctly…
Curious Observer
July 20th, 2009
2:54 pm
electrician@2:34: Yes, the “Obama” plan might help your situation–but only if a public plan is included. If there were a public plan, private insurers would be forced to compete with it for business. If a private plan refused to contract with providers nearer your home at a reasonable cost, your employer could opt for the public plan. That’s why the insurers are fighting the public plan tooth and nail.
Gandalf, the White! (Shiek Abooty)
July 20th, 2009
2:54 pm
Hey Normal: Maybe Sell the Ronald Reagan to the Iranians! They are looking for a way to deliver thier Nuke to US Soil! Maybe you can throw in some F-14 parts! Just sayin’!
Darn Skippy!
Gandalf, the White! (AKA Grand Pooh Bear!)
July 20th, 2009
2:56 pm
That’s what Jimmy Carter would do!
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:56 pm
What I fail to understand is the line of logic opposed to a national care program for all which provides preventative care as opposed to a system that waits until the condition is critical and life-threatening and then admits through the emergency room which, even if you are a soulless, carping taxpyer, is costing you a LOT more since the hospital gets its reimbursement from your pocket anyway.
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
3:02 pm
“Misunderstanding”—yes unfortunately that is the precise word. Also unfortunate is WB’s posts, no misunderstanding there. Probably the most obscene thing I’ve seen in my short time here.
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
3:02 pm
Great stuff!
Bring ‘em on!
But unfortunately, I’m afraid it is dead. And it’s no laughing matter. But majoriity rules in a “democracy,” and most of us are well-covered.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
3:03 pm
Gandalf, just a little Iranian trivia, back in the late ’70s, early ’80s, the Iranian Navy bought 3 Russian Kilo diesel boats (Subs).
two collided and sunk, the third went out on trails and never returned.
I don’t think I’d worry about that, and as you know, the Tomcat is yesterdays news and has been retired…
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
3:03 pm
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
3:02 pm
Unfortunate seems to be the word of the minute. I’ll have to go back to see to what you were referring.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
3:04 pm
Gandalf…anyway, I was thinking of selling her to France, that way it would always surrender…
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
3:05 pm
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
2:56 pm
Who wants to give up their self-destructive lifestyles?
Turd Ferguson
July 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
I can hear it now…
“NO HEALTHCARE, NO PEACE”
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
Amazing. All these “Christian” folks here against universal health care don’t seem to care that about 20,000 Americans die every year because of the lack of health care insurance. We lost 3,000 on 9/11 and these same folks cheered on GWB when he went down the road to killing another 4,000 Americans, injuring 30,000 Americans and spending $4 Trillion to attack a country that never attacked us.
Doesn’t sound very “Christian” to me. But then, these folks wouldn’t know “Christian” values anyway.
AmVet
July 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
Speaking of James Earl, I am still miffed at how the MSM buried the fact that 18 out of the 19 homicide bombers involved in 9/11 slipped through the Panama Canal.
The one that we once owned!
I knew that move would come back to haunt us…
Citizen of the World
July 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
Here’s where a lot of your health insurance dollars go — to compensate insurance company CEOs.
* Ron Williams – Aetna – Total Compensation: $24,300,112.
* H. Edward Hanway – CIGNA – Total Compensation: $12,236,740.
* Angela Braly – WellPoint – Total Compensation: $9,844,212.
* Dale Wolf – Coventry Health Care – Total Compensation: $9,047,469.
* Michael Neidorff – Centene – Total Compensation: $8,774,483.
* James Carlson – AMERIGROUP – Total Compensation: $5,292,546.
* Michael McCallister – Humana – Total Compensation: $4,764,309.
* Jay Gellert – Health Net – Total Compensation: $4,425,355.
* Richard Barasch – Universal American – Total Compensation: $3,503,702.
* Stephen Hemsley – UnitedHealth Group – Total Compensation: $3,241,042.
And this doesn’t include that portion of our health insurance dollars that go to lobbyists so they can go to Washington and advocate for the status quo.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
Who wants to give up their self-destructive lifestyles?
JOSEF, The only vice I have left is the one on my work bench….
Turd Ferguson
July 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
Salberger…
I think the Bible states…”The Lord helps those who help themselves”.
Dont wanna help yourself then why should I? I may be my brothers keeper but tossing my brother dollar after dollar only to see them flushed strait down the toilet gets a little old.
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
3:11 pm
DB, Gwinnettian July 20th, 2009 1:47 pm SAID: Whiner, that quote is bogus. And I think you know it’s bogus.
CHRIS SAYS: You just realized that??? LOL. A lot of what Whiner says is bogus. This is the same Whiner who believes that our nation’s laws are based on the Declaration of Independence instead of the Constitution. But then, what would you expect of small minds.? Whiner must have been home schooled……………….
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
3:13 pm
TURD LEMONADE
Question: “God helps those who help themselves – is it in the Bible?”
Answer: “God helps those who help themselves” is probably the most often quoted phrase that is not found in the Bible. This is actually a quote from Ben Franklin and it appeared in Poor Richard’s Almanac in 1757. In fact the Bible teaches the opposite. God helps the helpless! Isaiah 25:4 declares, “For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat…” Romans 5:6 tells us, “For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.”
Course I may have missed the book of Franklin…….
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
3:15 pm
The Ethiopians have a saying, “the L-rd helps the rich. The poor can beg.”
Trust me
July 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Sell the USS Reagan to Iran. After all, it’s not like it’s the first time he sold out to them.
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
3:13 pm
Turd covered his droppings with “I think”.
Turd Ferguson
July 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
Just pretend your tax dollars are going for national defense and it shouldn’t upset you so much.
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Turd Ferguson July 20th, 2009 3:07 pm SAID: Salberger…I think the Bible states…”The Lord helps those who help themselves”.
Dont wanna help yourself then why should I? I may be my brothers keeper but tossing my brother dollar after dollar only to see them flushed strait down the toilet gets a little old.
CHRIS SAYS: Funny that this country already spends twice as much per capita on Health Care than the “socialized” medicine practiced by the Europeans but still cannot deliver. Therefore, its not a matter of money, its how its spent. BTW, you can’t do much to help yourself when you are self employed, with pre-existing conditions because there is no insurance company that will cover you. So, what does the “your” Bible say about that?
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
3:17 pm
Turd,
When you get to the check in desk just outside the pearly gates….
tell em…..”following your rules….well it got a little old”
I’m not sure that’ll get ya’ in.
just saying…
Normal
July 20th, 2009
3:17 pm
SCORE! MRS G!
AmVet
July 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
Normal, that’s a good one.
I tell people the truth, I’ve given up more sh-it than most people ever started. And I’m keeping my few remaining ones…
Now, now, peeps. The “free market” has done an excellent job vis a vis our healthcare system. After all it’s not like we’re ranked 37th in the world or anything. (Oh wait! Really?? We are 37th???)
But I feel confident these titans of industry will sort out this health care mess. (And decide who lives and who dies.)
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
Chris–watch it on the home schooling snide, home schooled one of mine for a year and do a lot of work in curriculum development for home schoolers and I’m here to tell you I’ll put plenty of them up against anything the public, religious, private or what have you systems can put out there… and NO the majority of home schoolers are not doing so for “religious fundamentalist” reasons….
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
TnGelding July 20th, 2009 3:16 pm SAID: Just pretend your tax dollars are going for national defense and it shouldn’t upset you so much.
CHRIS SAID: HAHAHA. That should fool’em!!!! LMAO
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
3:25 pm
TnGelding–who wants to give up…none of us, insured or not…
getalife
July 20th, 2009
3:26 pm
And now a dose of reality:
A Bill Moyers Essay on the Influence of Money on the Health Care Debate:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-moyers-essay-influence-money-health-c
I have little confidence in any health care bill with these donors spending so much money on it.
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
3:27 pm
TnGelding
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/07/19/one-small-step-for-a-man-one-giant-leap-for-mankind/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog#comment-77214
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
3:34 pm
getalife–an interesting post. No fan of Fierce Advocate, but his appointment of Dr. Benjamin is one of the best appointments for a post of this or any previous administrations I can recall and my hat’s off to him.
And Aetna? ANGRY BLACK MAN where are you when I need you!
@@
July 20th, 2009
3:49 pm
Kamchak:
The funniest thing about this whole discussion on Wyld Byll’s post is that I would never have known what bukakke meant had you not protested so much. I had to google to find out. You didn’t ’cause you were already familiar.
Funny toon!.
Normal
July 20th, 2009
3:50 pm
I’m going to leave you guys for awhile with this thought on the health care situation…enjoy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yiYbCJitvQ – 104k -
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
3:52 pm
Mrs. Godzilla July 20th, 2009 3:13 pm SAID:
TURD LEMONADE
Question: “God helps those who help themselves – is it in the Bible?”
Answer: “God helps those who help themselves” is probably the most often quoted phrase that is not found in the Bible.
Normal July 20th, 2009 3:17 pm SAID: SCORE! MRS G!
CHRIS SAYS: I’LL SECOND THAT!!!! Makes you wonder what, if anything, these people learn in Sunday School???
Angry Black Man
July 20th, 2009
3:55 pm
just showed up Josef. Trying to read and get caught up. Had the family reunion this weekend. Then it was back to the salt mines this morning.
@@
July 20th, 2009
3:57 pm
This’n’s good too.
Kamchak
July 20th, 2009
3:58 pm
“The funniest thing about this whole discussion on Wyld Byll’s post is that I would never have known what bukkake meant had you not protested so much.”
And if someone had compared Bush to an Asian porn actress your reaction would be this casual?
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
3:58 pm
NORMAL–great song, but, whoah, that was HAIR!
Angry Black Man
July 20th, 2009
3:58 pm
One look at COTW’s post @ 3:07 should be enough to make everyone want to see healthcare reform. That is completely insane!! Maybe I should start my own insurance company.
Trust me
July 20th, 2009
3:59 pm
Makes you wonder what, if anything, these people learn in Sunday School???
Depends on the sunday school. Some learn about Samurai sword rituals, others about handling snakes, and yet others about folks such as John Kerry doing the devil’s bidding and George Bush being sent from God… .
@@
July 20th, 2009
3:59 pm
Whoops!
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:01 pm
Angry Black Man–they were talking about health care reform, insurance and all that, then getalife posted a link to a Bill Moyers essay in which he cited the CEO of Aetna and what he’s raking in.
Seems to me Aetna’s been profitting from human misery for some time, eh?
@@
July 20th, 2009
4:05 pm
Kamchak:
The leftists calling Bush “The Chimperor in Chief” was something I found far more offensive.
Freedom of expression (porn) in “the arts” — that’s a liberal’s purrrrrview.
getalife
July 20th, 2009
4:06 pm
If he it loaded with donor wish lists, all bills should fail. Period.
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:07 pm
Just received this and thought I would share it.
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950’s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up this country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We’ll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.. You can have your beloved homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks. We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.
We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
We’ll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volkswagon you can find.
We’ll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute Imagine, I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We’ll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an American
P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you.
Angry Black Man
July 20th, 2009
4:07 pm
That’s the American way, Josef. When all else fails, start a war, mass produce weapons, make money from mass production, kill people, injure people, make money from taking care of injured, etc…
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:10 pm
Angry Black Man–hope you had a good time at the reunion and lots of good eats. Sorry ’bout having to be back in the salt mines. Got a few more days and then it’s back for me…
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:13 pm
Angry Black Man–yep, follow the money…
Angry Black Man
July 20th, 2009
4:13 pm
The reunion was a blast. The ABD got to meet most of her family for the first time. It was cool just to watch her interact with everyone. I even got to see my DNA donor so he could actually see his grand daughter.
Doesn’t seem like I missed much here. Seems like the same people saying the same things.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
4:16 pm
Didn’t we have fun with that silliness NightTrain posted in March?
Memories…..
pat
July 20th, 2009
4:16 pm
Jay, nobody is arguing that health care isn’t broke. But the obama, reid, pelosi and kenedy’s plan is far worse than what we have right now. Rather than shoving coverage down people’s throats, they should be finding ways to lower costs, close loop holes that allow pharmaceutical companies to charge humans 5 times more for medicine than the animal equivialnts and eliminate the U.S. monopoly on drugs and medical services. Cost is the issue, if medical treatment were cheap, “coverage” would not really be an issue.
Focus on cost not coverage.
Making things worse for the mere appearance of “doing something” about the price of healthcare is not going to help anybody. Obama has spent enough this year, he really needs to get a grip, because he is starting to lose his grip. He thinks he can control everything and he cannot…Will it be to late before he figures it out?
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:17 pm
Economics 101
It is August, 2011 in a little town in Northern California . It is raining, and the tiny town looks totally deserted. It is tough times, everybody is in debt and everybody lives on credit.
Suddenly, a rich tourist comes to town.
He enters the only hotel, lays a $100.00 bill on the reception counter, and goes to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one.
The hotel proprietor takes the $100.00 bill and runs to pay his debt to the butcher.
The Butcher takes the $100.00 bill, and runs to pay his debt to the pig grower.
The pig grower takes the $100.00 bill, and runs to pay his debt to the supplier of his feed.
The supplier of feed store takes the $100.00 bill and runs to pay his debt to the town’s prostitute. (Who, in these hard times, gave her “services” on credit).
The hooker runs to the hotel, and pays off her debt with the $100.00 bill to the hotel proprietor for the rooms that she rented when she brought her clients there.
The hotel proprietor then lays the $100.00 bill back on the counter so that the rich tourist will not suspect anything.
The rich tourist comes down after inspecting the rooms, and takes his $100.00 bill, saying that he did not like any of the rooms, and leaves town.
No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now without debt, and looks to the future with great optimism.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how the United States Government is doing business in 2009.
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
4:17 pm
AmVet
July 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
On what do you base that or are you joking?
One we forgot about:
“I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company,” Bush said. “I am trying to conduct foreign policy now by saying to the people of the world, `We’ll treat you fairly.’”
http://www.americablog.com/2006/02/does-bush-even-know-that-al-qaeda-used.html
getalife
July 20th, 2009
4:19 pm
“Robert Reich says political payoffs to get the support of the drug companies, insurance companies and the AMA are making cost cutting impossible. And that’s losing support fast.”
Kill it.
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
4:19 pm
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:17 pm
Please explain what happens if the rich tourist actualy takes the room.
pat
July 20th, 2009
4:22 pm
Anybody care to go over the money the politicians you are entrusting your healthcare to, are making?
Also note, the democrats voted down a propostition that would force them to use the same healthcare coverage that they are trying to shove down our throats.
TnGelding
July 20th, 2009
4:24 pm
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:07 pm
Just as long as Barbara can continue to sing and act. Jane isn’t that bad of an actress either. And she was right about Vietnam, but picked a poor way of expressing her opinion. And anybody that could stay married to Captain Outrageous for more than a year can’t be all bad.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:25 pm
Night Train–@ 4:17–have to admit, that’s a pretty good one!
Scooter
July 20th, 2009
4:27 pm
TnG, I can answer your question to night train. I will wait for his/her answer first though. Waiting…..
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:27 pm
That’s an easy one, the Government of Hope and Change will take ~60% of the hotel proprietor’s income, leaving the the hotel proprietor with about $40.00 to pay the utilities and overhead, giving the hotel proprietor a profit of about $10.00.
Now explain why the hotel proprietor should hire any employee’s ?
Why should he keep his business open?
He’s one of those baaaaad small business owner that gets screwed every time Obama speaks.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 20th, 2009
4:27 pm
pat
can you provide a link for this claim?
“the democrats voted down a propostition that would force them to use the same healthcare coverage that they are trying to shove down our throats.”
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:28 pm
TnGelding–if the rich tourist actually takes the room–I wondered about that, too…
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:30 pm
Before I get accused of plagiarism, I received the 4:17 post in an email, I am NOT the author.
Night Train
July 20th, 2009
4:32 pm
I’ll respond to any additional questions in the AM…
Chris Salzmann
July 20th, 2009
4:32 pm
Night Train
July 20th, 2009 4:07 pm SAID: Just received this and thought I would share it.
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950’s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. …………………
CHRIS SAYS: Stopped reading there. This “letter” kind of reminds me of how some of the old Southern states start talking about secession after the country elects its first Black President. Wonder if this “letter” writer misses the “good old days” when certain people knew their place.
Angry Black Man
July 20th, 2009
4:32 pm
Either way it goes, the rich tourist will get the money back. If he keeps the room, the gov’t taxes the hotel operator and takes the money from him. The rich tourist simply writes it off as a business expense. He then gets that money back plus the money he saves with tax cuts he already receives.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
July 20th, 2009
4:32 pm
Kamchak 3:58 pm
I never compared Obumbler to an asian porn actress, that is an outright and scandalous lie.
I did compare his submissive demeanor around world leaders to the submissive demeanor of a lead in such a film. I stand by that keen analytical comparison.
josef nix
July 20th, 2009
4:33 pm
SCOOTER–Hey! Can’t wait to hear your answer…do tell!