AG said to be eyeing criminal probe in torture case
This may just be a trial balloon floated to gauge reaction. If so, here’s mine: Unless they start with those at the top, with those who made the decision to break the law, I think this is a bad idea. Picking off the low-level order-followers, as happened at Abu Graib, is wrong on many counts.
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. is leaning toward appointing a criminal prosecutor to investigate whether CIA personnel tortured terrorism suspects after Sept. 11, 2001, setting the stage for a conflict with administration officials who would prefer the issues remain in the past, according to three sources familiar with his thinking.
Naming a prosecutor to probe alleged abuses during the darkest period in the Bush era would run counter to President Obama’s oft-repeated desire to be “looking forward and not backwards.” Top political aides have expressed concern that such an investigation might spawn partisan debates that could overtake Obama’s ambitious legislative agenda.
The White House successfully resisted efforts by congressional Democrats to establish a “truth and reconciliation” panel. But fresh disclosures have continued to emerge about detainee mistreatment, including a secret CIA watchdog report, recently reviewed by Holder, highlighting several episodes that could be likened to torture.
Holder’s decision could come within weeks, around the same time the Justice Department releases an ethics report about Bush lawyers who drafted memos supporting harsh interrogation practices, the sources said. The legal documents spell out in sometimes painstaking detail how interrogators were allowed to subject detainees to simulated drowning, sleep deprivation, wall slamming and confinement in small, dark spaces.
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I Report (-: You Whine )-:
July 12th, 2009
1:30 pm
Told ya.
Pure bred, unadulterated cowardice-
These are not just the philosophical musings of a new attorney general. Holder, 58, may be on the verge of asserting his independence in a profound way. Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration’s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`brutal~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ interrogation practices, something the president has been reluctant to do.
1) Oh yeah, the “president” has “no” control over his Attorney General/ Kangaroo Court Qwack.
2) A “prosecutors” “investigation” could take up to two years, during which time the accused will be afforded no Constitutional right to confront their accuser, and, the Pinko Propaganda Mill will purport all sorts of goony headlines about this crime and that crime, none of which will ever amount to anything nor will any evidence ever be produced, with the whole freakshow sham sputtering into silent oblivion after it has served it’s Politically Motivated purpose.
3) Do you really think Dick Cheney is going to play along? Remember what happened the last time you attempted to “try” him in the star chamber of the kook leftwing media? Does it not still sting?
4) Why the vague references to a “crime?” Have you no convincing evidence? If this so called “program” was so “brutal” that it had to be immediately terminated, then the charges should stand on their own merits, should they not? It almost seems like the program, if it indeed exists, may have produced some actionable intelligence instead of just torture pornography for the viewing enjoyment of those in the fever swamps.
So let’s see it.
Pokey
July 12th, 2009
1:35 pm
This is absolute insanity.
Normal
July 12th, 2009
1:48 pm
Wether it is a crime or not, it needs to be investigated just to find out. Let the chips fall where they may.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 12th, 2009
1:49 pm
I say, Go for it.
Yes, more journeys like that of Lindy Englund must be avoided.
There is only one way to find the truth. Investigate.
Members of the previous administration, if truly innocent of atrocities, should be clamoring for a serious investigation to clear their names.
If there is nothing to hide…..
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
1:58 pm
Sure, and while we are at it, investigate the Democrats in Congress who approved everything done in Iraq and don’t remember one bit of it. I think they should be investigated and dismissed as prejudiced incompetents. Then we can get about the business of saving the USA from Obama economics, something else Democrats want to forget.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:02 pm
AG was meant to be an Independent justice official to uphold the law not the president’s lawyer.
He will be another failed gop AG if he fails to prosecutes torture.
The dems will investigate this too:
“Democrats Plan Probe of Secret CIA Program
House seeks to examine nature of still-secret program, decisions by Bush-era officials not to disclose its existence to Congress for years.”
AmVet
July 12th, 2009
2:07 pm
This is one of the more egregious patterns by this new president – “looking forward and not backwards.”
To me it is political double-talk, pure and simple. And possibly enhanced Pelosi/Reid code for, “Hey Republiconned, don’t forge this! I/we may need this same smoke-screen sentiment at some point.”
I am not sure if the Uppity One is just lacking a backbone or has no stomach for such quaint notions like the rule of law, being aboveboard and justice.
Gawd knows the GOP never has. (And this was change?)
Nonetheless his apparent modus operandi is to let ALL of the criminals walk.
Let’s hope Holder is his surrogate spine…
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:09 pm
Sure, investigate the CIA and find out why Democrats cannot remember reading the same CIA reports as President Bush and agreed with the president on expedient action. There seems to be an epidemic of Alzheimers in the Democrats in US Congress..
josef nix
July 12th, 2009
2:15 pm
NORMAL–answer unblocked downstairs. I’m far too angry right now to be a participant.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:15 pm
Yeah dusty,
They can follow ganzo’s lead but if the dems are guilty, so be it.
Perhaps boner and cheney should have kept their mouths shut.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:16 pm
CRIMINALS? WHAT CRIMINALS? Let’s investigate people who want to call people “criminals” without them being tried.
Obama’s economy is in big trouble. LET’S INVESTIGATE that.. What’s the “trillions” estimate today?
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:18 pm
dusty,
Relax, you are losing it.
Do you believe in the rule of law?
It’s a good thing.
Normal
July 12th, 2009
2:19 pm
Thanks, Josef..I hope your feathers become unruffled real soon…remember…What the world needs now is love sweet love….
Midori
July 12th, 2009
2:19 pm
getalife;
see this? http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Conservative+Free+Republic+blog+free+speech+flap+after+racial+slurs+directed+Obama+children/1782375/story.html
wonder how many of those posts belong to Dusty and Andy?
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:20 pm
Perhaps Geithner, Obama’s puppy dog financial expert, should be investigated as to why we owe “trillions and trillions” and nobody has seen a dime of it.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:22 pm
Midori’s links usually need to be either ignored or investigated. Otherwise time has been wasted.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
2:22 pm
AmVet @ 2:07 pm,
Your post went over my head as usual. Will you re-post in layman’s terms. Thanks
Midori
July 12th, 2009
2:23 pm
i’d say, by Dusty’s reaction, a great majority of them……
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:25 pm
Yes Midori,
The freepers are unhinged:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2290929/posts
I thought her shirt was very cool.
Sane people of the world want no nukes.
Too many whackjobs in the world will use them.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:28 pm
Drink a couple more bottles of cheap whine disty.
Geez.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 12th, 2009
2:29 pm
Funny thing about finding one guilty in a court of law – they must be investigated FIRST.
Whether they are murderers or meth freaks, vice lords or vice presidents, ya’ can’t get ‘em in front of a judge without doing a little
look see. It is not unreasonable in the least.
Finding the truth is pretty damned American.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:29 pm
They say Shuster will cover the freepers comments too.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:32 pm
AmVet,
Obama said let it go but the AG is meant to be Independent.
Just sayin.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 12th, 2009
2:33 pm
Damn that hair…..
http://www.who2.com/photos/Bo-Derek/Bo-Derek_0001.html
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
2:34 pm
“Finding the truth is pretty damned American”
And we need to know the truth, but I doubt we’ll ever get it. Too many people are too good at “not remembering” things.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:35 pm
Witch hunts are neither truthful nor American. So Dems keep one going. That is not honest, not justice nor the “law”. Call it for what it is. Rotten politics..
Mrs. Godzilla
July 12th, 2009
2:35 pm
DoggoneGA
You may very well be right. That however has never been a excuse for not trying.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:41 pm
Yep, kieep on trying. I DEMAND an investigation as to why the USA is printing money with nothing to back it. It is SUSPICIOUS. We must know the facts. Bring on the INVESTIGATION about the “TRILLIONS” and more to come.
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
2:42 pm
“That however has never been a excuse for not trying.”
I wouldn’t argue that. I was against pardoning Nixon, so take a like through that.
Midori
July 12th, 2009
2:42 pm
Dusty,
this from someone who knows all about hunting witches…..
they were certainly good enough when your gaggle was in the majority, wasn’t it?
Normal
July 12th, 2009
2:42 pm
Dusty, do you really think that if the shoe was on the other foot, things would be different. You know better than that. Maybe this is like the Clinton investigation and much ado about nothing, but unless you are somehow involved, I would think that you would want to see the facts in the light of day, if for no other reason than to move on…Just sayin’
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
2:44 pm
” I DEMAND an investigation as to why the USA is printing money with nothing to back it.”
How far back do you want to go? The USA has been “printing money with nothing to back it.” since we went off the gold standard.
AmVet
July 12th, 2009
2:46 pm
Scooter, I’ve read the gist of your posts before And I honestly don’t think you can get away with playing dumb.
But at any rate, before he was elected I predicted Obama would not even remotely go after the innumerable crooks, swindlers and speculators on Wall Street, K Street, Main Street and in the government who walked away laughing, with trillions of dollars (much/most of it our money!).
Somebody, ANYBODY please tell me I was wrong! (Chirp…chirp…)
I also said that in a move not even rivaled by Gerald Ford, he’s gonna let the most indictable, serially impeachable US President and Vice President in history skate. On every front. (And I can list five different areas where laws were subverted and there were serious violations of the US Constitution.)
The fact remains that even after they leave office they are still subject to criminal laws and can/should be prosecuted. I am virtually alone in this sentiment I know, but DAs everywhere should be convening Grand Juries to investigating which statutes and laws they broke.
Screw those fat cats. This is a nation of laws, not men…
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:49 pm
Normal,
Clinton lied in court. I’d say that is a little different from the suppositions presented here. Bush checked with his Justice Department, some of the best lawyers in the country. He did everything he knew to do it right.
Was he doing it for personal gain? NO.
Was he doing it for personal enjoyment? NO.
Was he trying to protect this country? YES.
As a matter of fact, I do not remember Bush wasting any time INVESTIGATING Democrats. If you still want to refer to Clinton, the stained blue dress brought him down. Republicans did not do it. Is your memory also getting “short”?
Normal
July 12th, 2009
2:50 pm
AmVet, you said,
“The fact remains that even after they leave office they are still subject to criminal laws and can/should be prosecuted. I am virtually alone in this sentiment I know, but DAs everywhere should be convening Grand Juries to investigating which statutes and laws they broke.”
No truer words have ever been spoken and you are not alone…Just sayin’
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:51 pm
“The issue is Free Republic finding it acceptable to have a thread up speaking of an 11 YEAR OLD CHILD with these comments:
“..typical street whore”
“..ghetto trash”
“Wonder when she will have her first abortion.”
Try as you might to deflect that’s what the issue was, is and remains. Don’t go scampering under rocks when your bigotry and hatefulness is exposed to the light of day. Own it. Its yours.”
The freepers attack the source instead.
con politics as usual.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:55 pm
OK Doggone,
So I should say the USA is printing money soon to be lacking in Chinese support. Would you like to concentrate on that instead of Obama’s “trillions”?
getalife
July 12th, 2009
2:59 pm
Prosecute the criminals including the establishment’s economic disaster and Obama just might redeem himself.
Normal
July 12th, 2009
3:00 pm
See, Dusty, this is why I like talkin’ to you…you are so dispassionate.
If you really believe that President Bush’s first priority was to protect this nation, then so be it, but I believe that everything he did was for “Big Business” and the GOP, first and foremost. If it helps the nation, well that was just gravy. Regardless, it looks like to the naked eye, that laws were broken and for that alone, he and his administration shoulde be investigated. But the main reason I believe that he didn’t have the safety of this nation at heat came from his own mouth, when he said that he didn’t think about Bin Laden much anymore.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
3:00 pm
Normal, what happened to your “love sweet love”?? All you want is an indictment of Bush no matter how it is done. Try to be cool about it. Right now, it is so obvious.
AmVet is ready to investigate…FORD? Well, let’s go whole hog here! Let’s investigate GEORGE WASHINGTON and that illegal war he led.
Midori
July 12th, 2009
3:01 pm
Clinton lied in court.
and where in the world DIDN’T Bush and Cheney lie?
Redneck Convert
July 12th, 2009
3:02 pm
Well, I see Sister Dusty’s back on the cheap kitchen wine again. It’s just a shame a person can’t hold a temper better than that. And on the Sabbath too.
Anyhow, I’m against what this Holder wants to do, if he wants to do it. We can’t have a former President of the U.S. of A. and a former Vice President and Lord knows who else doing a perp walk. It would shame us all, like showing up buck-nekkid in church and cutting a big loud one to boot.
I would say more but me and the missus are headed down to Ryans and she gets kind of cranky when she’s hungry. Have a good p.m. everybody.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
3:09 pm
AmVet @ 2:46 pm,
That I could understand! Thanks again. I really don’t consider myself as dumb but I can tell you for a fact that I’m the least intellectual person on this blog site.
Normal
July 12th, 2009
3:10 pm
Dusty, I’m afraid “love” has nothing to do with this. OUR Government, yours and mine, is under a cloud of suspicion. It needs to be looked into, and if true, people need to be punished, just like the man who steals a loaf of bread. No more, no less. Gotta sign out for now, grandkid to entertain…Dusty, I will check back in later…
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
3:10 pm
OK Normal,
What are your facts on Bush and big businss concessions? Bush was a rich man long before he was even governor of Texas. So it could not be personal.
He got a majority of votes everytime he ran for office. He won by votes not big business.
Big business did supply the needs of the American army world wide. No penny ante company can do international work on that scale without having the experience and captal to do it. You do realize that, don’t you? Do you think Big Lots could supply an army overseas?
9/11 started all war efforts when Bush has been president less than a year. Americans supplied their armed forces. Iraq has oil but is not the highest ranking ;producer in the world. It was not oil.
Think of better excuses to “investigate” anything and everything that happened while Bush was in office. It seems to be the main thing that Democrats can do besides running up TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT. Does that not worry you?
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
3:19 pm
Normal,
The biggest cloud over America right now is the BIG DEBT. Don’t fool yourself. You are in a Democratic endeavor and swallowing the whole bait. You do seem to be in a “big cloud” and not seeing too well. Your “big cloud” is nothing but dust being kicked up by the same old political polecats. Best to ignore little “dust devils”.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
3:26 pm
The Brits are having a public Iraq war investigation. They tried to keep it private but their people do not trust them like most sane Americans with our government. Also, their public opionion is against more blood in Afghanistan.
As I read the British newspapers, I see that we usually follow their actions.They taxed the rich and we willl too to pay for health care. They started investigations and now we will. They got out of Iraq and soon we will.
They will leave Afghanistan……
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
3:28 pm
Dusty,
I’ve always heard there is three sides to every issue. There is your side and Normal’s side. Then there is the way it REALLY is.
Just saying…
getalife
July 12th, 2009
3:30 pm
dusty will never admit w left a 1.4 trillion defecit, a depression and two wars.
That is called a disaster dusty .
An expensive disaster.
Get real.
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
3:31 pm
If the Bush administration did nothing wrong, what are you folks worried about? Eh? Let em have at it.
Your concern makes your true thoughts stand naked. You have doubts…..ohh, the doubt….woe is you.
Why ya so skeered?
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
3:31 pm
“and where in the world DIDN’T Bush and Cheney lie?”
Everywhere EXCEPT in court…let’s give them a chance to improve their record
Midori
July 12th, 2009
3:33 pm
lol!! good one, doggone!!!
Getalife: D
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
3:33 pm
OH NO the Converted RedNeck!!! BUT…is it the real thing? Is this an imposter? Is this big liar the same big liar we had before? I greatly fear that it is. Well, sometimes blessings just don’t work out.
As to cheap wine, I think our communion wine is just fine. And the message is even better. And we studied the Ten Commandments in Sunday School ( us Lutherans love to INVESTIGATE creeds and commandments). I think we should place the BIG TEN in EVERY court house since they are such good rules to live by. Or better still, place them in Dem Headquarters. Dems seem to forget the ones that say “Thou shall not lie!” and “You should not bear false witness against your neighbor.” Wouldn’t that be great? Just the facts, mam. Just the facts. Right, RedNeck??
Midori
July 12th, 2009
3:34 pm
OOPS!!
Dan Abrams is on it, too: http://www.mediaite.com/online/conservative-blog-commenters-target-malia-obama-with-racial-slurs/
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
3:38 pm
you guys watching the Bill Moyers show on right now? It’s about health care. We have to win this battle with the evil insurers.
We have more people uninsured than the entire population of Canada!
Canadians voted on who was the greatest Canadian of all time: The picked the guy who created their health care system as the greatest of all time!
http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy.html
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
3:40 pm
Midori @ 3:34 pm,
Why do you even go to such sites and read that trash?
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
3:40 pm
Dusty,
The Republicans can’t even get a grasp of “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
And you want to test them on the other nine? Hehehehehe.
You so funny!
Rightwing Troll
July 12th, 2009
3:42 pm
Dear God Dusty,
Get a grip…
Obama’s “economy” is just W’s leftovers barely warmed. Obama’s “war in Afghanistan” is the result of W taking his eye off the ball and declaring “mission accomplished” waaaaayyyyy too early.
Take some responsibility for your mess or else shut your pie hole.
mike
July 12th, 2009
3:46 pm
Nice to see the Obama admin focusing on what’s really important: punishing political enemies.
While Holder is at it, he can investigate the extraordinary renditions of terrorism suspects and the shipping of them to countries that (really) tortured them for us under the Clinton admin. I’ll start holding my breath.
I hope that Obama recognizes that he is setting himself up for a witch hunt if the next admin is Republican. He won’t have anyone to blame but himself.
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
3:50 pm
Oh goodness, the libs here are having a BIG discussion about…. whom & what? Bush!!
There’s not even ONE mention of the Obama “TRILLIONS” debt. OH, getalife tried to blame it on Bush just like he tries to blame everything from athlete’s foot to dandruff on Bush. But others? NOPE! No concern whatsoever about the trillions in debt from the Obama “stimulus” which is about as stimulating as warm milk.
But carry on, ladies and gentlemen and keep the brouhaha going.. And don’t forget the thrill of shouting “We are going to get something on Bush even if it kills our party.” Yeah, folks, keep it up!! Lookin’ good!
See ya’ later!
Rightwing Troll
July 12th, 2009
3:51 pm
Mike,
That bar was set in the 90’s. I suspect you’re fully aware of that…
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
3:52 pm
“I hope that Obama recognizes that he is setting himself up for a witch hunt if the next admin is Republican. He won’t have anyone to blame but himself”
I don’t think it matters what he does, if the R’s get in next time they’ll be witch hunt regardless. They’ll think of SOMETHING to investigate. Anything.
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
3:53 pm
Food Inc. is a pretty good intro to what has happened to our food system. If you are interested you might want to see it before it is gone.
Note that there are a few kill-floor scenes.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
4:00 pm
Just intellectual honesty dusty.
Try it some time.
An AG upholding the rule of law is long overdue in our country.
Leave partisan politics out of upholding the rule of law is something most Americans agree,
Except the cons.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
July 12th, 2009
4:02 pm
According to bookman, since Hitler was dead, we should have let Goering, Himmler, Strausenberg and all the other Jew Killers walk.
eewwww!
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
4:05 pm
Doggone @ 3:52 PM,
Seems like “tit for tat” to me.Politics as usual.Some things never seem to change.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
4:13 pm
Getalife @ 4:00 pm,
If Holder keeps it up I think you will find that some libs won’t want to see the rule of law held up either.
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
4:14 pm
Doggone,
Sounds good. If obama does something illegal it needs to be exposed.
FinnMcCool
July 12th, 2009
4:20 pm
OK, my night to cook dinner (enchiladas!). Till the morning, adieu.
Rightwing Troll
July 12th, 2009
4:20 pm
Scooter,
Since you frame it like that, I say HECK YEAH!!!
Please, by all means, bring it on… lets clean house of the left leaning and right leaning scoundrels. I’d like to say once and for all, but that’s a stretch. Politics, like unfettered capitalism, WILL always succumb to greed and lust for power.
TW
July 12th, 2009
4:22 pm
Not that the American people are big on being governed by a body that BREAKS THE LAW, but if you’re going to do it, at least win the freaking game.
Nobody likes a loser. The GOP beating it’s chest over CHEATING and LOSING is simply unAmerican. Find another country to ruin.
Pogo
July 12th, 2009
4:24 pm
Obama has a dip in the polls and what does his staff do? They create another distraction for his robotic simpleton followers to keep their attention away from what he really is doing. This has worked for him so far because most of his followers are a bunch of bleating sheep wanting to be led around by the nose anyway. It doesn’t matter to them if what this moron is doing is right, as long as their progressive idealogy is intact and promoted. Take the lizards remark for instance; “Go for it”. Even though every political pundit out there (on both sides) thinks it is a bad idea and it will go nowhere and it will end up costing Americans a huge amount of money, lizard lady and her kind still want it, just to open another sore. But the old lizards, the “rednecks” and the “Amvets” of this world don’t care what the impact to the country is. To them, it is idealogy and idealogy only and to hell with the consequences to the country. As long as their idealogy is promoted keep making the accusations and keep making the distractions whether they are true or not just “go for it”. What a bunch of miserable human beings. Obama is right in one way, this country does need a new direction but that direction isn’t any to be found here on this gathering place of the pathetic. It isn’t to be found with him and his White House either.
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
4:25 pm
“Sounds good. If obama does something illegal it needs to be exposed”
What’s that got to do with whether he’ll be investigated or not?
Thistle
July 12th, 2009
4:26 pm
The Attorney General must investigate Bush and Cheney. We will NEVER move forward unless/until we obey our own laws, and our laws do apply to the president and his vice. The republican led congress allowed Bush and Cheney get away with treason, and other crimes too numerous to mention. When the evidence leads to indictment, the law should be applied.
Rightwing Troll
July 12th, 2009
4:31 pm
Pogo,
You forgot to add:
And it wasn’t found in the previous 8 years either.
There, all better now…
getalife
July 12th, 2009
4:32 pm
Scooter,
True, if Obama breaks the law, he should be prosecuted too.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
4:40 pm
Troll @ 4:20 pm,
If we ever get rid of the scoundrels, that will be “change I can believe in”.
AmVet
July 12th, 2009
4:42 pm
Up and down, you really enjoy being stuck on stupid, don’t you?
And haven’t the first idea of how to factually support your childish claims. I’m not ever sure if you actually believe them.
Never have I seen you make a rational assertion, backed up by ANY evidence, data or facts.
As in never.
But you sure do know how to cut and run rather than face the fire.
No wonder you conned keep getting annihilated every other November…
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
4:50 pm
getalife, I think Obama smart enough to not step on the wrong side of the law. We’ll see.
@@
July 12th, 2009
4:52 pm
Leaning!!?!!
More like being nudged by Obama. The left-leaning natives have become restless so appearances, at least, will soothe the savage beast within.
Barack Obama — out to gitchee gitchee gitchoo you uber-leftists coming and going.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
5:02 pm
AmVet @ 4:42 pm,
It took me a little bit to figure out who up and down was.But, I got it! BTW great shot.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
July 12th, 2009
5:09 pm
One thing for certain, apart from the reprehensible waste of taxpayer dollars and the needless distraction from the Obumbler depression, Prsident Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Rummy would welecome an investigation.
An open investigaqtion would should just how ridiculous the looney left’s claims are. At my college fraternity we had an initiation right, which I have come to learn, that was waterboarding. It was painful, but we used to have contests to see who could last the longest. So, if war crimes included waterboarding, loud music at all hours of the day, bud infested rooms, then all the parents of my fraternity brothers should be in prison. To allege that our administration was on a par with Hitler or Stalin is preposterous.
One of two things are happening, a) either Obumbler’s own people hold in the same disregard world leaders do and don’t car what he thinks, or b) since Soros won’t let his lapdog, Obumbler, start a new this investigation is a “wag the dog” attempt to take the public’s eye off the ever worsening Obumbler depression and Obumbler’s failure to do anything beyond making matters worse.
Either way, Mr Holder and the nation would be better served with a special prosecutor invesitgating the Rich pardon payola.
Northern Songs LTD
July 12th, 2009
5:10 pm
What about this possible — possible — investigation has gotten our friends Dusty, et.al. all worked up? IF there is some kind of investigation – and let’s face it, there ought to be one – witnesses will be called, questions will be asked, the principals will be required to answer – under oath – and then, and only then, will a decision be made whether, and who, to prosecute. If none of the Bush officials did anything wrong, well, then a bunch of rich lawyers get richer, and no harm done. But if it’s determined that laws were broken, then justice, and the rule of law — not to mention what America is supposed to be all about — demands the appropriate action. And if that results in the “perp walk” for Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, and the rest, then so be it.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
July 12th, 2009
5:15 pm
One thing for certain, apart from the reprehensible waste of taxpayer dollars and the needless distraction from the Obumbler depression, Prsident Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Rummy would welecome an investigation.
An open investigaqtion would should just how ridiculous the looney left’s claims are. At my college fraternity we had an initiation right that, I have come to learn, that was waterboarding. It was painful, but we used to have voluntary contests to see who could last the longest, so it clearly was not torture. So, if war crimes include waterboarding, loud music at all hours of the day, bud infested rooms, then all the parents of my fraternity brothers should be in prison. To allege that our administration was on a par with Hitler or Stalin is preposterous.
One of two things are happening, a) either Obumbler’s own people hold in the same disregard tha world leaders do and don’t care what he thinks, or b) since Obumbler hasn’t the sack to start a new, this investigation is a “wag the dog” attempt to take the public’s eye off the ever worsening Obumbler depression and Obumbler’s failure to do anything beyond making matters worse.
Either way, Mr Holder and the nation would be better served with a special prosecutor invesitgating the Rich pardon payola.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
July 12th, 2009
5:16 pm
Jay, what word is throwing me into the moderation loop?
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July 12th, 2009
5:20 pm
Obviously you leftists have forgotten the piece “Mother Jones” did on Holder. His entire career has been about selling people out. Nowadays he’s all about selling out Obama supporters while Obama deals with those “things” of vast import.
getalife
July 12th, 2009
5:21 pm
Come on cons.
Your talking point is:
“Distraction from the economy”.
Read your blogs.
Midori
July 12th, 2009
5:24 pm
Scooter,
what sites are you referring to?
The Canadian one?
I don’t consider that as “trash”.
TnGelding
July 12th, 2009
5:28 pm
Dusty
July 12th, 2009
2:20 pm
The key word is “owe.” It wil never have to be repaid, altho it will have to be serviced. Much of that too will be on paper, no actual money changing hands. Most of the government loans to corporations will be repaid. That said, I don’t like it either, but I don’t think you appreciate the crisis that faced the Bush administration, and to be honest, I don’t either.
http://www.wrightrealtors.com/home/financial_crisis.htm
On topic, I agree with you, Jay. But I would go even higher. If you can’t get Bush and Cheney, don’t even bother.
Scooter
July 12th, 2009
5:52 pm
Midori @ 5:24 pm,
I don’t know if it was Canadian or not. I’m talking about the one that Obama’s kid was on with the racial slurs.???
DB, Gwinnettian
July 12th, 2009
7:00 pm
Downstairs, Andy gave us:
Yeah, it’s not like anybody calls it the treason times.
You live in Berkely, Kalifornia, don’t you, DB?
Yes, Andy. People who are far-right-of-center refer to the NYT as the “treason times.” That was the point I was making–it is an article of faith among conservatives that the NYT is really really liberal, and that the farther from the center you get to the right, the crazier they get in their descriptions of the Gray Lady.
As to whether I live in “Berkely, Kalifornia”, that’s both funny and sad. Funny that you think someone from the left coast would be likely to be hanging out at an AJC blog; sad that you seem to think that there seems to be something wrong with living in “Berkely, Kalifornia”.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 12th, 2009
7:04 pm
I am not sure if the Uppity One is just lacking a backbone or has no stomach for such quaint notions like the rule of law, being aboveboard and justice.
I think you’re leaving out that far more likely third option–it’s just not something Obama thinks is worth the hassle considering all that needs to get done. You pick your battles, yadda yadda yadda.
It’ll come as no surprise that I think it’s well worth the hassle.
DB, Gwinnettian
July 12th, 2009
7:07 pm
If you can’t get Bush and Cheney, don’t even bother.
I’d put it this way, and maybe it’s the same thing, I don’t know–if you can’t have better than 51% confidence that the result of such an investigation/prosecution deterring future Bushes and Cheneys from being perverting the law, don’t even bother.
TnGelding
July 12th, 2009
7:25 pm
DB, Gwinnettian
July 12th, 2009
7:00 pm
They aren’t “real Americans” like us.
jt
July 12th, 2009
7:26 pm
If only one tenth of the empathy was shown for 100,000 black teenagers getting raped in our prisons EVERY day than for a few dozen Islamic prisoners, the world would be a better place.
Let us also give these people power over our health care and the air that we breath.
Incredible.
Rightwing Troll
July 12th, 2009
7:31 pm
Sure Byll, we absolutely should investigate the “pay for play” of slick willie… problem is that nothing illegal happened there. The president has the authority to pardon anyone for any reason, or no reason.
I guess we need to look into scooter libby’s pardon as well… although that will lead to the same legal issues, that being it was within W’s rights to do so. Same with the DOJ lawyers…
TnGelding
July 12th, 2009
7:33 pm
Rebuild something better?
“There are some who say we must wait to meet our greatest challenges. They favor an incremental approach or believe that doing nothing is somehow an answer. But that is exactly the thinking that led us to this predicament. Ignoring big challenges and deferring tough decisions is what Washington has done for decades, and it’s exactly what I sought to change by running for president.”
“Now is the time to build a firmer, stronger foundation for growth that not only will withstand future economic storms but that helps us thrive and compete in a global economy. To build that foundation, we must lower the health-care costs that are driving us into debt, create the jobs of the future within our borders, give our workers the skills and training they need to compete for those jobs, and make the tough choices necessary to bring down our deficit in the long run.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/11/AR2009071100647.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
jt
July 12th, 2009
7:35 pm
There is really not any money, glamour, or publicity involved with defending poor red-neck or thug-neck AMERICAN torture victims.
DoggoneGA
July 12th, 2009
7:36 pm
“I don’t know–if you can’t have better than 51% confidence that the result of such an investigation/prosecution deterring future Bushes and Cheneys from being perverting the law, don’t even bother.”
If you’re waiting for that, you’re going to wait a long time. People who are going to break serious laws never think they will get caught. Deterence only works for people who are essentially law-abiding already.
jt
July 12th, 2009
7:54 pm
I wonder how quick this torture issue would go away if each detainee/torture victim was
A) Accused of Domestic Violence
B) Owed several thousand dollars in back child support
C) Regularly attended dog-fights
D) Smoked un-filtered cigarettes in cars with children.