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		<title>By: mdouglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdouglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Washington Post story is a political hatchet job - only biased journalists and narrow-minded policy wonks inside the beltway believe this collection of half-truths.

Of course there are maintenance issues with the stealth coating - as there were on the F-117 and B-2. (Both of which were highly successful in combat, after being labeled &quot;maintenance nightmares&quot;). Maintenance on the coating is a part of the cost of employing stealth. The maintenance issues on the F-117 were even more difficult, but that didn&#039;t detract from their success in the first Gulf War.

What the Post doesn&#039;t tell you is the wild success story that the F-22 has become at Red Flag and Northern Edge,in realistic mock combat. Racking up 244-0 kills against the best pilots in the world at Nellis and in Alaska.

The F-22 has flown against Australian, Indian, British and US Navy pilots, as well as the USAF&#039;s red force at Nellis (arguably the best pilots in the Air Force). In every case, the F-22 has racked up wildly lopsided victories. 

These aren&#039;t the &quot;rigged tests&quot; which seem to be the dogmatic response of the weenies in Washington who have never piloted an aircraft. In most cases, the opposing aircraft don&#039;t even know the F-22 is nearby until they are shot down. Even when they do see it visually, their weapons won&#039;t lock-on.

And of course the Post quoted the usual suspects - Thomas Christie and Pierre Sprey - the &quot;Grumpy Old Men&quot; of the defense world, still clinging to their glory days in the Pentagon and arguing that the aircraft that they worked on in the 1970&#039;s - the F-15 and F-16 - are still viable in the 21st century.

I have some news. They&#039;re not.

Most of those old aircraft are having a hard time just getting off the runway.

And the teen-series of fighters won&#039;t survive over Iran or North Korea, not to mention Russia or China - simply because of the SAM threat alone. They are also vastly outclassed by the latest generation of fighters coming off the assembly lines in Russia and China - The J-10, J-11 and the Su-30 series.

Perhaps the next time the Post wants to write about the F-22, they should interview some of the brave pilots who fly them - not congressional aids, unnamed sources in the Pentagon or crusty bitter old men who worked for the DoD thirty years ago.

Wait - what was I thinking? This is the Washington Post we&#039;re talking about...

...never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Washington Post story is a political hatchet job &#8211; only biased journalists and narrow-minded policy wonks inside the beltway believe this collection of half-truths.</p>
<p>Of course there are maintenance issues with the stealth coating &#8211; as there were on the F-117 and B-2. (Both of which were highly successful in combat, after being labeled &#8220;maintenance nightmares&#8221;). Maintenance on the coating is a part of the cost of employing stealth. The maintenance issues on the F-117 were even more difficult, but that didn&#8217;t detract from their success in the first Gulf War.</p>
<p>What the Post doesn&#8217;t tell you is the wild success story that the F-22 has become at Red Flag and Northern Edge,in realistic mock combat. Racking up 244-0 kills against the best pilots in the world at Nellis and in Alaska.</p>
<p>The F-22 has flown against Australian, Indian, British and US Navy pilots, as well as the USAF&#8217;s red force at Nellis (arguably the best pilots in the Air Force). In every case, the F-22 has racked up wildly lopsided victories. </p>
<p>These aren&#8217;t the &#8220;rigged tests&#8221; which seem to be the dogmatic response of the weenies in Washington who have never piloted an aircraft. In most cases, the opposing aircraft don&#8217;t even know the F-22 is nearby until they are shot down. Even when they do see it visually, their weapons won&#8217;t lock-on.</p>
<p>And of course the Post quoted the usual suspects &#8211; Thomas Christie and Pierre Sprey &#8211; the &#8220;Grumpy Old Men&#8221; of the defense world, still clinging to their glory days in the Pentagon and arguing that the aircraft that they worked on in the 1970&#8217;s &#8211; the F-15 and F-16 &#8211; are still viable in the 21st century.</p>
<p>I have some news. They&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>Most of those old aircraft are having a hard time just getting off the runway.</p>
<p>And the teen-series of fighters won&#8217;t survive over Iran or North Korea, not to mention Russia or China &#8211; simply because of the SAM threat alone. They are also vastly outclassed by the latest generation of fighters coming off the assembly lines in Russia and China &#8211; The J-10, J-11 and the Su-30 series.</p>
<p>Perhaps the next time the Post wants to write about the F-22, they should interview some of the brave pilots who fly them &#8211; not congressional aids, unnamed sources in the Pentagon or crusty bitter old men who worked for the DoD thirty years ago.</p>
<p>Wait &#8211; what was I thinking? This is the Washington Post we&#8217;re talking about&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldpilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldpilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;John Boyd, maybe the best fighter pilot this nation has produced and a man who helped revolutionize air strategy and military theory&lt;/i&gt;

The second part is certainly true, but it&#039;s puzzling that Boyd should be regarded as America&#039;s best fighter pilot, given that he was never credited with an E/A shot down. (He may have dinged a MiG in Korea in circumstances beyond the Rules of Engagement, hence never counted.) I&#039;m writing my dissertation on Boyd, and I have several pieces about his work on &lt;a href=&quot;http://warbirdforum.com/modern.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;War in the Modern World&lt;/A&gt;. Blue skies! -- Dan Ford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John Boyd, maybe the best fighter pilot this nation has produced and a man who helped revolutionize air strategy and military theory</i></p>
<p>The second part is certainly true, but it&#8217;s puzzling that Boyd should be regarded as America&#8217;s best fighter pilot, given that he was never credited with an E/A shot down. (He may have dinged a MiG in Korea in circumstances beyond the Rules of Engagement, hence never counted.) I&#8217;m writing my dissertation on Boyd, and I have several pieces about his work on <a href="http://warbirdforum.com/modern.htm" rel="nofollow">War in the Modern World</a>. Blue skies! &#8212; Dan Ford</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We caint stop this plane!  Them Tally Ban folks&#039;ll come un git us!  Praise Geesussah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We caint stop this plane!  Them Tally Ban folks&#8217;ll come un git us!  Praise Geesussah!</p>
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		<title>By: Copyleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copyleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I liked the picture that topic title evoked for me:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Mayday, mayday! F-22 taking heavy bureucratic fire!&quot;
&quot;Roger that, F-22. Launch tactical memoranda and bring lobbyists on-line.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I liked the picture that topic title evoked for me:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Mayday, mayday! F-22 taking heavy bureucratic fire!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Roger that, F-22. Launch tactical memoranda and bring lobbyists on-line.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, where are all the people that were so stridently defending the f-22 in previous ajc blogs.  I guess I underestimated them, they are smart enough to know when to fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, where are all the people that were so stridently defending the f-22 in previous ajc blogs.  I guess I underestimated them, they are smart enough to know when to fold.</p>
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		<title>By: Marietta perplexed by cruising, public sex at A.L. Burruss Park &#124; Fresh Loaf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/07/10/f-22-program-taking-heavy-bureaucratic-fire/comment-page-3/#comment-72224</link>
		<dc:creator>Marietta perplexed by cruising, public sex at A.L. Burruss Park &#124; Fresh Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] City of Marietta, the bustling metropolis up I-75 where people are all pissed off about President Barack Obama shutting down fighter-jet production and big government hating on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City of Marietta, the bustling metropolis up I-75 where people are all pissed off about President Barack Obama shutting down fighter-jet production and big government hating on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fly-On-The-Wall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/07/10/f-22-program-taking-heavy-bureaucratic-fire/comment-page-3/#comment-72170</link>
		<dc:creator>Fly-On-The-Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t understand Republicans who rail against wasteful spending but yet want a boondoggle like the F-22.  Is it just because they can do the &#039;rah-rah&#039; stuff for the U.S. military or the childish response of &#039;my toy is bigger and better than your toy&#039;?  

We could save billions and put that to use elsewhere in the military budget or just plain ol&#039; save the money.  But they&#039;d rather flush the money away.  It makes no sense at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand Republicans who rail against wasteful spending but yet want a boondoggle like the F-22.  Is it just because they can do the &#8216;rah-rah&#8217; stuff for the U.S. military or the childish response of &#8216;my toy is bigger and better than your toy&#8217;?  </p>
<p>We could save billions and put that to use elsewhere in the military budget or just plain ol&#8217; save the money.  But they&#8217;d rather flush the money away.  It makes no sense at all.</p>
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		<title>By: GayGrayGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayGrayGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB - I&#039;ve been maintaining for quite a while that the Republican&#039;t&#039;s are heading towards a 1984-style loss of Mondalesque proportions if they continue with their Ideological Purity Purges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB &#8211; I&#8217;ve been maintaining for quite a while that the Republican&#8217;t&#8217;s are heading towards a 1984-style loss of Mondalesque proportions if they continue with their Ideological Purity Purges.</p>
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		<title>By: DB, Gwinnettian</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB, Gwinnettian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Palin/Jindahl in 2012 - change that will save America.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed. a McGovernesqe electoral showing in 2012 by the Pubbies would certainly change things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Palin/Jindahl in 2012 &#8211; change that will save America.</i></p>
<p>Agreed. a McGovernesqe electoral showing in 2012 by the Pubbies would certainly change things.</p>
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		<title>By: DebbieDoRight</title>
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		<dc:creator>DebbieDoRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USinUK - &lt;i&gt;if you’ve never seen To Have and Have Not, RUN, don’t walk, to rent it! It predates Casablanca by a year or 2 and is absolutely fantastic! (it’s Bogey’s first movie with Lauren Bacall - and she is SMOKIN’!)&lt;/i&gt;

My personal favorite Bogie flick is the Maltese  Falcon.  The FAVORITE OF ALL TIME black and white movie is It Happened One Night, (Clark Gable....can&#039;t remember the female star&#039;s name); followed by From Here To Eternity, (a skinny Frank Sinatra in a really stand out role with a classic Borgnine and a sizzling scene on the beach).  When my dad used to be stationed at Ft. Polk, LA; every new year&#039;s day they&#039;d play the old classics.  Now, you can only see them on DVD&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USinUK &#8211; <i>if you’ve never seen To Have and Have Not, RUN, don’t walk, to rent it! It predates Casablanca by a year or 2 and is absolutely fantastic! (it’s Bogey’s first movie with Lauren Bacall &#8211; and she is SMOKIN’!)</i></p>
<p>My personal favorite Bogie flick is the Maltese  Falcon.  The FAVORITE OF ALL TIME black and white movie is It Happened One Night, (Clark Gable&#8230;.can&#8217;t remember the female star&#8217;s name); followed by From Here To Eternity, (a skinny Frank Sinatra in a really stand out role with a classic Borgnine and a sizzling scene on the beach).  When my dad used to be stationed at Ft. Polk, LA; every new year&#8217;s day they&#8217;d play the old classics.  Now, you can only see them on DVD&#8217;s.</p>
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