Is this an appropriate use of our national symbol?
Over at Andrew Sullivan’s place, a reader asks how Fox News and the conservative right would respond to, say, Barack Obama, treating the American flag as cavalierly as this….
But the even better question is how they would respond if Obama posed with the flag something like this….
I mean, can you imagine? Obama posing with the flag literally wrapped around him? Oh the humanity!
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Sam
July 2nd, 2009
6:05 pm
of course not, Barack Hussein would have a flag of the Muslim crescent around him…..
catlady
July 2nd, 2009
6:05 pm
Not, it is NOT appropriate. Maybe she will turn it into a bathing suit. This woman is a moron.
Jay
July 2nd, 2009
6:07 pm
Sam, that at least has the merit of being funny. :>)
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
6:08 pm
[[But the even better question is how they would respond if Obama posed with the flag something like this…]]
Pres Obama in shorty shorts. Sorry, Jay, but that’s a visual I don’t want.
Always had fun with people who wanted a flag amendment. I’d point out the flags on their bathing suits, beer mugs – heck, I even asked a military guy if he ever tossed his uniform on the floor. He said “well sure” and I pointed to the flag patch on the sleeve. He didn’t much care for the implication.
But, I think we’re gonna hear a whole lot of criticism of Palin by many here – as they drink beer from their mugs and with their bathing suits on with their flag beach towels drying over the back of the chair.
I don’t much care for it, but then again, I can’t think of anything I own that has a flag on it. Except the flag I put on the front porch on appropriate holidays.
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
6:11 pm
In our country you have the right to burn the flag in protest, so she has the right to use it as she wishes too. PS: It kills me to take her side…Just sayin’…
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
6:13 pm
Huh. Just did a search on Palin American flag.
Got the usual fake pics. Then a bunch of articles – does Palin hate the flag? Thought it might link to these pics. Nope – they were letters from outraged Americans because they couldn’t see her lapel pin, she didn’t have a flag in her office and at speaking events she used a black background.
Can’t win for losing, it would seem.
retiredds
July 2nd, 2009
6:13 pm
Sam @ 6:05, very lame.
Class of '98
July 2nd, 2009
6:19 pm
For someone that the pinkos consider a “joke” and someone to completely disregard as a symbol of the irrelevant right, they sure are obsessed with her.
Sam
July 2nd, 2009
6:29 pm
Glad you like that one, Jay. Maybe you DO have a sense of humor after all, unlike most of the “serious minded liberals” on this super double serious blog.
Have to admit, Palin is HOT!!!! What a MILF!!!! She can be my commander-in-chief anyday…
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
6:33 pm
Oh gimme a break! The bimbette isn’t hurting anyone or anything.
Sure, the flag waving fraud patriots would have a freaking cow if the Uppity One or any other living non-Republican did this. It’’s part of their disease.
But who really cares what these lamebrains think?
Apparently not the American electorate.
As Nader posits, safeguard the Constitution; the flag can take care of itself.
Sam
July 2nd, 2009
6:36 pm
Retiredds, sorry, did I OFFEND you?—OMG we can’t do those things in this politically correct world nowadays now can we?
However, you probably thought Letterman’s joke about having sex with a 14 yo was didn’t you? (Actually, I didn’t mind it much, although it wasn’t very funny, don’t know what all the hubub was about……lighten up people!)
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
6:37 pm
“Is this an appropriate use of our national symbol?”
Why not? It’s not our nation, it’s just a piece of cloth. The flag means nothing if we betray the nation it stands for.
But there is NO doubt in MY mind that if Obama did that, he would be vilified.
Angry Black Man
July 2nd, 2009
6:37 pm
Paul @ 6:08
I think there is a double standard when it comes to an actual flag versus items with the flag emblem imprinted on them. I have a few t-hirts with flags printed on them, and I do not throw them on the floor. I prefer to see a flag treated with respect, but I can’t control the act of others. Just knowing the blood shed for that flag from the American Revolution, to the Civil War and up to now in Iraq/Afghanistan causes me to treat it with reverence.
As far as the pics, I don’t think she meant any harm or disrespect, so just leave it alone.
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
6:39 pm
“However, you probably thought Letterman’s joke about having sex with a 14 yo was didn’t you?”
How could it have been? He never made any such joke.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
6:39 pm
Oh, Jay! If this doesn’t bring out the best (worst) in us tonight, then I miss my bet! This is too good to be true…thanks for the chance to lighten things up a bit…
Chris Salzmann
July 2nd, 2009
6:39 pm
AmVet July 2nd, 2009 6:33 pm SAID: As Nader posits, safeguard the Constitution; the flag can take care of itself.
CHRIS SAYS: Well said. I’m not a fan, in any sense of the word, of Sara Palin. We have enough problems in this country and the world at large than waste time with these trivialities.
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
6:40 pm
She must shop for her sportswear the same place as this guy: http://www.commondreams.org/files/images/ggordonliddy.jpg
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
6:42 pm
“Just knowing the blood shed for that flag from the American Revolution, to the Civil War and up to now in Iraq/Afghanistan causes me to treat it with reverence. ”
Read the quote above about the Constitution. They didn’t shed blood for the flag…even if they say they did. If it wasn’t for the Constituion and our nation, it was shed for nothing.
The flag is a symbol, nothing more, nothing less. Reverence for the flag is pointless if you trample on what it stands for. It’s not a case of “My country (flag) right or wrong”…it’s about the WHOLE quote: “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
6:42 pm
Midori, Gawd I love your sick, sick,sick sense of humor!
Chris, thanks…
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
6:43 pm
AmVet,
back atcha!!
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
6:44 pm
“The bimbette isn’t hurting anyone or anything”
Nope, just wrapping herself in the flag like all of her ilk…without really understanding what it stands for.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
6:45 pm
…and now let me entertain you with some fancy pageant walkin’….
Cheesescake for the White House!
She coulda’ been a contenda! Instead she’s becoming America’s longest running punchline. Who the HELL are her handlers?
I wonder…which national spot they running her for. The White House or Fox News?
The Rush and Sarah Show? The Palin Factoid? Sean and Sarah Show?
Beck and the Babe?
There’s a lot more money, great clothes hair and makeup, national
celebrity and a small but virulent following. And more freedom. No real requirement for a depth of knowledge on anything. Adoring crowds at Tea Bag Rallies.
I see she still hasn’t said if she’ll stand for re-election…..
Flag offenses not withstanding, no serious poltical aspirant takes
photos like this.
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
6:46 pm
“no serious poltical aspirant takes photos like this.”
Well, we’ve always said no sane person could take her seriously as a VP. All she’s doing is living down to that.
Striped and seeing Stars
July 2nd, 2009
6:47 pm
How does her husband feel about her getting so cozy with Uncle Sam. I mean, she sure looks like she doesn’t need anyone else to keep her warm when she engulfed by them stars and stripes.
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
6:48 pm
Midori
Was that a “G” cup?
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
6:50 pm
Would we have been more offended if she had been standing there in a stars and strips bikini? Be still my beating heart…
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
6:51 pm
Back during Vietnam I was thrown out of school once for wearing a pair of pants with the flag sewn upside down (by my mother) as a form of protest, a symbol of distress. My brother, just back from Vietnam, borrowed the pants, went down to the school house and dared them the throw him out.
Rightwing Troll
July 2nd, 2009
6:52 pm
She’s so hot… too bad that’s it.
Angry Black Man
July 2nd, 2009
6:52 pm
“The flag is a symbol”
That is my point exactly. Not everyone can see, touch, smell, and feel the Constitution. However, that flag is a symbol of that (the Constitution) along with all that our country represents. I agree with you that it stands for nothing if you trample the ideals of which it represents, but put that flag on and walk thru a market in Pakistan or Baghdad and see what happens. To some it’s a piece of fabric, to others a symbol, but I believe it’s whatever you want it to represent.
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm
Josef If Dolly Madison were alive today, would she be like/as Sarah?
News Corpse
July 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm
Didn’t you know? It is perfectly alright for Republicans to treat the disrespectfully.
Here is a picture of Bush actually stepping on the flag:
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=229
It’s OK because they love America, so they can beat it to death like any other abusive lover.
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm
Mrs. G,
don’t know the size, but i wouldn’t try to launder it without wearing gloves
Rightwing Troll
July 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm
I think I see Russia in the background of that first pic…
Angry Black Man
July 2nd, 2009
6:55 pm
Dang Midori, thanks for that photo. Now I’ll have that pic stuck in my head all weekend.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
6:56 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Uncle Sam one of our national symbols, too and doesn’t he drape in it? So, it’s fine and dandy if it’s an old fart, but not a straight man’s wet dream? Jes’ a’wonderin’ bout double standards!
On the other hand, maybe a Marianne storming the barricades?
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
6:56 pm
Is she wearing panti hose with her running shorts?
OMG!!!!!!
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
6:56 pm
Josef, Back in 71, I worked for Ma Bell and we went on strike. I went to the union meeting in a shirt that was made from an American flag…long hair and all. Wasn’t my brightest move, but everyone knew I was a “stone cold baby killer” back then…
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
6:58 pm
Normal, oh, she would, she would! Got a whole line on some of Dolly’s, uh, behavior while researching her protegee Rose O’Neil Greenhow…scandalous!
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
6:58 pm
Mrs. G,
Lizz Winstead just made that observation.
Sara’s the queen of tacky.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:00 pm
Midori, Mrs. G–it’s the sock tucked inside I wouldn’t launder!
getalife
July 2nd, 2009
7:02 pm
Looks like a shot from a SNL skit.
If she needs a pole for that flag……….
Mine is flying.
the evil rich
July 2nd, 2009
7:03 pm
We don’t have to worry about NObama and the American flag, his flag of choice would be from a Muslim country! Oh, did I just kneel/bow and kiss his ring? Happy 4th bed wetters!
Bud Wiser
July 2nd, 2009
7:04 pm
Sarah in a bikini would be better.
Every man’s dream – a hot chick in a bathing suit, not very bright, but very very cute.
Now……picture this………….Madeline Albright in same bikini..
End of discussion.
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
7:04 pm
You boys and girls are being very naughty tonight.
And Rightwing Troll that 6:53 is damned funny!
It conjures up all sorts of pin up shots with the bimbette and really HUGE binoculars…
clyde
July 2nd, 2009
7:05 pm
I don’t have any problem with this treatment of a piece of cloth.The flag is there to do with what you will.Burn it in protest or worship it as each individual sees fit.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:05 pm
AmVet–you were certainly right about Monty Python..see below
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
7:06 pm
Midori….
Ok, I stole it……but I thought about it when I first saw the photo, but thought no way….she wouldn’t…..
josef
EWWWWWW!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:07 pm
Bud Wiser–Albright? Perish the thought!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:10 pm
Mrs. G–ain’t a pleasant thought, is it?
Left you a message on last night’s thread…just wanted to tell you how much I respect and admire people like you who are doing the right thing…
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
7:10 pm
Now wait…
If we’re talking hot….
Where’s Reggie Love in his swimmies?
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:12 pm
Women and others–remember Mark Spitz. Salute!
DebbieDoRight
July 2nd, 2009
7:13 pm
Oh come on!!! Everyone knows the woman is nothing more than T&A!!! Everyone knows that Todd is the one who really runs Alaska; (hence the reasons that he was on some of those important state conference calls).
Don’t worry conserves………with those legs, wrapped around the flag, she’ll be around to open up a lot of Supermarkets and Nascar events for years to come……
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
7:13 pm
I looked online and tried to get a better shot…..
naw….i don’t think so
she really wouldn’t
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:17 pm
………….Madeline Albright in same bikini..
———-
Wasn’t she J. Edgar’s brother…Just askin’…
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:17 pm
Didn’t J. Edgar wear a bikini, too?
DebbieDoRight
July 2nd, 2009
7:18 pm
Midori: Was that REALLY Liddy? And if so, danggggggg…………….
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
7:20 pm
LOL, Josef!!!
I can’t stop laughing!!
DDR – that’s him all right. that pic was posted on his web site.
I guess he’s trying to “advertise”
UGH!!!
DoggoneGA
July 2nd, 2009
7:21 pm
“to others a symbol, but I believe it’s whatever you want it to represent.”
And that includes meaning nothing. Whenever I hear or read rabid “flag defenders” I can’t help but think about worshipping idols. It means nothing to me if someone else “desecrates” the flag…it has no effect on MY attitude towards it as a symbol.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:22 pm
Yeah, but T&A seems to have an affect on the straight male which transcends narrow party lines… jus’ observin’ from the outside lookin’ in…
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
7:23 pm
josef, left a youtube clip for you downstairs. (Hint: Out chief weapons are fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency…)
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
7:23 pm
Normal,
wonder if Bud salivates over Hoover’s pics as well?
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:24 pm
HEY NORMAL–in re the socks and Liddy–NOW we know why your washing machine died!
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:27 pm
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:24 pm
—-
Yeah, actually she must have gotten one of my red white and blue garters around her neck…saw it when I buried her in the backyard…figured it would do my roses some good…
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:28 pm
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
7:23 pm
—
Thank you so much for that mental picture…eeewwwww!
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
7:32 pm
josef,
thanks. it’s certainly a mixed blessing.
Mark Spitz! Oh, baby. Oh, baby.
Sr. M. Judette, BVM, could not hear the tinkle of the Boones Farm bottle
that rolled out of the locker I shared with GiGi junior year, but her eyes worked just fine. She saw the Sports Illustrated (I think??) cover page taped up inside our locker and nearly lost her bad wig!
3 Demerits. Detention. Counseling from the Dean of Discipline – who could barely hide her amusement!
In her defense she was magic with geometry.
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:37 pm
JOSEF & AMVET…downstairs…you started it…en gard…
TnGelding
July 2nd, 2009
7:40 pm
Well, I think you could say this is against flag etiquette at best; desecration at worst:
http://www.usflag.org/flag.etiquette.html
But ain’t the lovely Sarah cute?
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:46 pm
AmVet/Normal–”..fetch the comfy chair…” This is too good to be true!”
The GOP may well be Mary Queen of Scots—”…I’m not dead, in fact, I’m feeling much better…”
BRING ME A SHRUBBERY!
DebbieDoRight
July 2nd, 2009
7:46 pm
DDR – that’s him all right. that pic was posted on his web site. I guess he’s trying to “advertise”
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!! (Debbie throwing up…….ladylike, in white gloves, of course!)
DebbieDoRight
July 2nd, 2009
7:47 pm
josef – left u a msg downstairs
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
7:50 pm
Normal, BH cracks me up! To this day I can never hear Yakety Sax without thinking of that lovable lamebrain!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:50 pm
Mrs. G–The Unmentionable is a swimmer and, L-rd, when I got him home that first night, Mark Spitz was no longer a fantasy, though I did keep his poster for a while…
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:51 pm
Debbie–got it and replied…fascinating! I’d love to meet your mom and hear her story!
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:52 pm
AmVet, he was always my favorite and the clip I posted was my favorite too. I think I’ll see if I can find a DVD of his shows…
Normal
July 2nd, 2009
7:53 pm
Josef…you make me blush…
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:55 pm
John Inman fans–when he played his mother! A classic…did you ever see him do classical ballet?
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
7:56 pm
Normal :”Josef…you make me blush…”
Well this ought to be a red-letter date!
@@
July 2nd, 2009
7:58 pm
Oh I don’t know, jay….
at least she’s embracing it in the second shot and it ain’t touching the ground in the first
getalife
July 2nd, 2009
7:59 pm
I prefer Pam:
http://thisislavie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/31043_32_23_ns.jpg
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:01 pm
getalife
you got your pole dancer
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:02 pm
getalife
Her birthday was yesterday. 42. Thought she was older.
AmVet
July 2nd, 2009
8:02 pm
josef, no, but I could always tell the guy was exceptionally talented. And who could ever forget the way he trilled, “Yes, I’m freeee.”?
I remember watching the BBC and the first time I saw full frontal nudity, I realized this country was still run by a bunch of hung up squares and conflicted puritans.
Come to think of it, it still is!
Mrs. Godzilla
July 2nd, 2009
8:07 pm
@@
Was that a picture of noted left winger and general gadfly Bill Ayres?
Is the GOP chatting up him for their 2012 Presidential ticket?
How wonderfully big tent that is!
Color me impressed.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:07 pm
AmVet…he was a professional danseur before joining up with “Are You Being Served…”
Talking about how far ahead the Brits are…there are still things on that show we couldn’t get by with here given our Puritainism..to wit, the Omnipotent Hayes Commission Moderator employed by out host here…can’t even call the puddy cat in without a blue nose hold up!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:09 pm
Mrs G–is THAT what Big Tent refers to? And all this time…
Midori
July 2nd, 2009
8:12 pm
Getalife is such a slut
Hi Paul!!!
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:14 pm
Hi Midori!!!
Just stoppin’ by while I’m checking some oyster recipes -
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:15 pm
Midori
Got a Cuisinart stand mixer for my birthday. I’m jazzed. Everybody (except Bosch) is sick of hearing about it, but you weren’t here and I’m jazzed!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:16 pm
PAUL–”…a little champagne and a few fresh oysters…”
Frank Lee Dear
July 2nd, 2009
8:16 pm
You ask a valid question, Jay. What was she thinking.
Sam
July 2nd, 2009
8:17 pm
Midori, you’re just jealous b/c on your best day you don’t look as good Hot Palin, unless the flag was over your head, and “Mrs” G, you’re jealous b/c you have more body hair than G. Liddy in that picture Midori sent you.
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:18 pm
Hey josef
‘cept the wife doesn’t do raw oysters so I compromise.
Last had’em in getalife’s hangout. They were most excellent!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:19 pm
Frank Lee Dear
“You ask a valid question, Jay. What was she thinking.”
Speaking for the straight men in these parts, “who cares…!”
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:19 pm
Sam
More champagne………
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:21 pm
PAUL–don’t know if you read my post on Granddaddy and oysters earlier, but Granny would tell him “well, you can just spend the night with the oyster man for all the good it’ll do you in these parts!”
They were married for 63 years and until the last on a quiet night you could hear the springs squeak.
@@
July 2nd, 2009
8:22 pm
Mrs. G:
I never underestimate how easily impressed you are.
Afterall, Franken, the homophobe is someone you admire and respect.
AmVet:
Where did I ever say I disapproved of Monty Python? British humor is my favorite and Monty Python is some of the best.
Paul
July 2nd, 2009
8:23 pm
josef
Well I hope it was genetic!
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:24 pm
@@ I’m relieved to hear that! I knew you had a good sense of humor and that came as a bit of a surprise.
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:25 pm
Yeah, and as the Unmentionable says, “failing eyesight, ain’t it grand!”
josef nix
July 2nd, 2009
8:28 pm
PAUL–when I was about 14 and Mom and I were having one of those talks good parents have with their adolescents, I asked her if “that” was one of the reasons she and Dad divorced, she said,”son, if we could have stayed in the bed, we’d still be married. Unfortunately we had to get out ever once in a while and found out we weren’t really that fond of each other…”