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		<title>By: Barforina Smally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barforina Smally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservatism leads to paranoia - Dude, you need to look in the mirror when accusing others of being judgemental bigots. What a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatism leads to paranoia &#8211; Dude, you need to look in the mirror when accusing others of being judgemental bigots. What a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: josef nix</title>
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		<dc:creator>josef nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Copyleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copyleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swami Dave enjoys stating personal opinions as if they were Absolute Truth.

You know, like &lt;i&gt;It is theft to take what you did not earn.&lt;/i&gt; Wrong. And also irrelevant, since government and society HAVE &#039;earned&#039; a portion of your money simply by allowing you to live here and enjoy the benefits of being an American.

And &lt;i&gt;It is not a “gift” to allow individuals to keep what they own or have earned.&lt;/i&gt; Wrong again. If that were true, the workers at every corporation would be in charge, rather than CEOs and directors.

You fail again, SD. Just like every time you try to make some nonsensical libertarian Randroid fantasy into reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swami Dave enjoys stating personal opinions as if they were Absolute Truth.</p>
<p>You know, like <i>It is theft to take what you did not earn.</i> Wrong. And also irrelevant, since government and society HAVE &#8216;earned&#8217; a portion of your money simply by allowing you to live here and enjoy the benefits of being an American.</p>
<p>And <i>It is not a “gift” to allow individuals to keep what they own or have earned.</i> Wrong again. If that were true, the workers at every corporation would be in charge, rather than CEOs and directors.</p>
<p>You fail again, SD. Just like every time you try to make some nonsensical libertarian Randroid fantasy into reality.</p>
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		<title>By: FinnMcCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinnMcCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swami, you take away government, the police force, the legal system, the penal system, the protective agencies like the FDA and the EPA and then lets see just how long you are going to be in business making that money that only belongs to YOU. Without the system in place you would be hunting for your food and protecting your lean-to shelter with throwable rocks.

You are one of the greedy people who can&#039;t understand that the system within which you operate is totally there for your benefit and you don&#039;t like the idea that you have to pay to work within that system.

Swami writes: &lt;i&gt;By electing these collectivists, they effectively empower the bureaucrats and politicans to do with a pen what they would get arrested for doing with a gun; namely taking the property or earnings of others against their will with no fair exchange of value.&lt;/i&gt; The key words here are &quot;No fair exchange of value.&quot;

You, Swami, are one of the simple-minded, one-tracked minded, greed obsessed people of this country. 

Go ahead and don&#039;t pay your taxes but don&#039;t complain when the pot hole in the road breaks the axle on the truck you use to deliver your plastic crap to the retail store where you sell it. 
--Don&#039;t complain when the cops arrive a little late at your house because someone is trying to take your 52&quot; Sony TV. 
--Don&#039;t complain when people are stealing your software code because there is no legal system to enforce copyright laws.
--Don&#039;t complain when the meat you eat makes you sick as a dog and gives you hepatitis or ecoli because the FDA had to cut positions.

Anyone who is making a living in this system should not be badmouthing the concept of paying taxes. You may not like what some of the tax dollars are going toward but that is just another side of your endless greed: You want to stop the services YOU &quot;mr. precious swami&quot; aren&#039;t using but curse anyone who tries to stop a service you use or rely on.

Why do I waste my time? Greed and the &quot;me,me,me&quot; of some people is suffocating this country. The faster we hang some misdemeanor or felony on your type the faster we can get your type off the streets (the street with all the pot holes cause you didn&#039;t pay your taxes.)....errr, I should have gone to law school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swami, you take away government, the police force, the legal system, the penal system, the protective agencies like the FDA and the EPA and then lets see just how long you are going to be in business making that money that only belongs to YOU. Without the system in place you would be hunting for your food and protecting your lean-to shelter with throwable rocks.</p>
<p>You are one of the greedy people who can&#8217;t understand that the system within which you operate is totally there for your benefit and you don&#8217;t like the idea that you have to pay to work within that system.</p>
<p>Swami writes: <i>By electing these collectivists, they effectively empower the bureaucrats and politicans to do with a pen what they would get arrested for doing with a gun; namely taking the property or earnings of others against their will with no fair exchange of value.</i> The key words here are &#8220;No fair exchange of value.&#8221;</p>
<p>You, Swami, are one of the simple-minded, one-tracked minded, greed obsessed people of this country. </p>
<p>Go ahead and don&#8217;t pay your taxes but don&#8217;t complain when the pot hole in the road breaks the axle on the truck you use to deliver your plastic crap to the retail store where you sell it.<br />
&#8211;Don&#8217;t complain when the cops arrive a little late at your house because someone is trying to take your 52&#8243; Sony TV.<br />
&#8211;Don&#8217;t complain when people are stealing your software code because there is no legal system to enforce copyright laws.<br />
&#8211;Don&#8217;t complain when the meat you eat makes you sick as a dog and gives you hepatitis or ecoli because the FDA had to cut positions.</p>
<p>Anyone who is making a living in this system should not be badmouthing the concept of paying taxes. You may not like what some of the tax dollars are going toward but that is just another side of your endless greed: You want to stop the services YOU &#8220;mr. precious swami&#8221; aren&#8217;t using but curse anyone who tries to stop a service you use or rely on.</p>
<p>Why do I waste my time? Greed and the &#8220;me,me,me&#8221; of some people is suffocating this country. The faster we hang some misdemeanor or felony on your type the faster we can get your type off the streets (the street with all the pot holes cause you didn&#8217;t pay your taxes.)&#8230;.errr, I should have gone to law school.</p>
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		<title>By: TnGelding</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>md 

July 1st, 2009
10:19 am

The &quot;wars&quot; have drug on for far too long. Why weren&#039;t troop strengths increased at the beginning? We could be grduating the 5th class out of West Point since the adventure into Afghanistan began and the 3rd since Iraq. Obviously no one at the Pentagon planned on putting ground forces at risk in such unpredictable, hostile areas. And then along came &#039;W&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>md </p>
<p>July 1st, 2009<br />
10:19 am</p>
<p>The &#8220;wars&#8221; have drug on for far too long. Why weren&#8217;t troop strengths increased at the beginning? We could be grduating the 5th class out of West Point since the adventure into Afghanistan began and the 3rd since Iraq. Obviously no one at the Pentagon planned on putting ground forces at risk in such unpredictable, hostile areas. And then along came &#8216;W&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Finn McCool @ 8:18:

&quot;How true. Tax breaks are basically just handouts to people who make money. It’s government dole. So, it’s no coincidence that Swami Dave wimpers about tax heights at least twice in his post. 

Folks making money don’t want to lose their handouts, either!

If the amount of money the public coffers lost to tax-break handouts for people who make money was matched with money for the poor and disabled someone would find a way to tax the handouts to the poor in order to up the handouts to the wealthy.&quot;

Respectfully, Finn, your point belies the dishonest and theft-based foundation of the collectivist argument.  It is only be the assumption that an individual&#039;s earnings somehow belong to government that redistributionists such as yourself could make the silly comparison that tax breaks are somehow &quot;handouts to the wealthy&quot;.

They are not.  The money belongs to them already and they have no need for a bureaucrat or politician to &quot;give&quot; them what tis already theirs.  

On the flip side, the non-achievers among us DO need bureaucrats and politicans to steal from producers to fund their transfer payments and services that they will not provide for themselves.  By electing these collectivists, they effectively empower the bureaucrats and politicans to do with a pen what they would get arrested for doing with a gun; namely taking the property or earnings of others against their will with no fair exchange of value.

It is theft to take what you did not earn.  It is not a &quot;gift&quot; to allow individuals to keep what they own or have earned.  The collectivist fantasy is a lie perpetuated by liars who spread the lie as a means to either (a) get what they have not and will not earn or (b) acquire power by carrying out the theft.

Sorry, Finn, next player please.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swamidavesays.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;-Swami Dave&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Finn McCool @ 8:18:</p>
<p>&#8220;How true. Tax breaks are basically just handouts to people who make money. It’s government dole. So, it’s no coincidence that Swami Dave wimpers about tax heights at least twice in his post. </p>
<p>Folks making money don’t want to lose their handouts, either!</p>
<p>If the amount of money the public coffers lost to tax-break handouts for people who make money was matched with money for the poor and disabled someone would find a way to tax the handouts to the poor in order to up the handouts to the wealthy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, Finn, your point belies the dishonest and theft-based foundation of the collectivist argument.  It is only be the assumption that an individual&#8217;s earnings somehow belong to government that redistributionists such as yourself could make the silly comparison that tax breaks are somehow &#8220;handouts to the wealthy&#8221;.</p>
<p>They are not.  The money belongs to them already and they have no need for a bureaucrat or politician to &#8220;give&#8221; them what tis already theirs.  </p>
<p>On the flip side, the non-achievers among us DO need bureaucrats and politicans to steal from producers to fund their transfer payments and services that they will not provide for themselves.  By electing these collectivists, they effectively empower the bureaucrats and politicans to do with a pen what they would get arrested for doing with a gun; namely taking the property or earnings of others against their will with no fair exchange of value.</p>
<p>It is theft to take what you did not earn.  It is not a &#8220;gift&#8221; to allow individuals to keep what they own or have earned.  The collectivist fantasy is a lie perpetuated by liars who spread the lie as a means to either (a) get what they have not and will not earn or (b) acquire power by carrying out the theft.</p>
<p>Sorry, Finn, next player please.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.swamidavesays.com" rel="nofollow">-Swami Dave</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TNGelding

I&#039;ve a friend who&#039;s a real estate agent.  Time and again he has clients who have to sink thousands in for upgrades so the house will sell.  Better to do it early and enjoy it.

I was thinking more along the lines of that diner owner Jay cited.  Plenty of people in various parts have homes not worth all that much, real older homes, people don&#039;t have much money - and the cost of the repairs can cause the equity to about disappear.  

Seems to me it&#039;ll hit lower income folks in older homes the hardest.  Interesting unintended (at least I hope it&#039;s unintended and not merely disregarded) consequences, especially from the Democratic Party.  Y&#039;know, as much fun as I&#039;ve been having pinging people with this &#039;corporate and special interest sellout&#039; line, there might just be something to it.

Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TNGelding</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a friend who&#8217;s a real estate agent.  Time and again he has clients who have to sink thousands in for upgrades so the house will sell.  Better to do it early and enjoy it.</p>
<p>I was thinking more along the lines of that diner owner Jay cited.  Plenty of people in various parts have homes not worth all that much, real older homes, people don&#8217;t have much money &#8211; and the cost of the repairs can cause the equity to about disappear.  </p>
<p>Seems to me it&#8217;ll hit lower income folks in older homes the hardest.  Interesting unintended (at least I hope it&#8217;s unintended and not merely disregarded) consequences, especially from the Democratic Party.  Y&#8217;know, as much fun as I&#8217;ve been having pinging people with this &#8216;corporate and special interest sellout&#8217; line, there might just be something to it.</p>
<p>Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: TnGelding</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dusty 

July 1st, 2009
11:10 am

Nothing you can say will alter the fact that there was an attack on 09/11.

Harvard is a fine institution. I probably couldn&#039;t have gotten in even with a legacy appointment. I was only joking. 

&#039;W&quot; made the family so proud that daddy Bush broke down in tears because he had spoiled it for his baby brother. But I&#039;m thinking Jeb will make a try anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dusty </p>
<p>July 1st, 2009<br />
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<p>Nothing you can say will alter the fact that there was an attack on 09/11.</p>
<p>Harvard is a fine institution. I probably couldn&#8217;t have gotten in even with a legacy appointment. I was only joking. </p>
<p>&#8216;W&#8221; made the family so proud that daddy Bush broke down in tears because he had spoiled it for his baby brother. But I&#8217;m thinking Jeb will make a try anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: TnGelding</title>
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		<dc:creator>TnGelding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul 

July 1st, 2009
10:47 am

I&#039;m amazed that homeowners won&#039;t make those investments that will pay for themselves in a few years while they&#039;re liiving in the houses. I wanted to put some extra insulation in the attic of a rental house in my neighborhood so the family living in it could more afford to pay the electric bill but the owner wouldn&#039;t go for it, even tho the cost was much more than what the reduced rent for one month would have been. It&#039;s sad that the government has to mandate it, but I don&#039;t think it will ever get out of Congress. 

Thanks for the health tip.</description>
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10:47 am</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed that homeowners won&#8217;t make those investments that will pay for themselves in a few years while they&#8217;re liiving in the houses. I wanted to put some extra insulation in the attic of a rental house in my neighborhood so the family living in it could more afford to pay the electric bill but the owner wouldn&#8217;t go for it, even tho the cost was much more than what the reduced rent for one month would have been. It&#8217;s sad that the government has to mandate it, but I don&#8217;t think it will ever get out of Congress. </p>
<p>Thanks for the health tip.</p>
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		<title>By: Copyleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copyleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good argument Dusty... if I had mentioned Bush at all, that is. My post was about the &quot;accomplishments&quot; of a backwater governor compared to the accomplishments of becoming U.S. Senator and President of the United States.

But as usual, you change the subject and run away. Be sure to declare victory on your way out....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good argument Dusty&#8230; if I had mentioned Bush at all, that is. My post was about the &#8220;accomplishments&#8221; of a backwater governor compared to the accomplishments of becoming U.S. Senator and President of the United States.</p>
<p>But as usual, you change the subject and run away. Be sure to declare victory on your way out&#8230;.</p>
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