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	<title>Comments on: In Iraq, Americans pull back and Iraqis celebrate</title>
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		<title>By: Atlanta Native</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/06/30/in-iraq-americans-pull-back-and-iraqis-celebrate/comment-page-3/#comment-66021</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlanta Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

Got nothin&#039; to disagree with you on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>Got nothin&#8217; to disagree with you on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Normal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/06/30/in-iraq-americans-pull-back-and-iraqis-celebrate/comment-page-3/#comment-66020</link>
		<dc:creator>Normal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul 

June 30th, 2009
12:11 pm
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Paul you are right about Afganistan and President Obama needs to end it successfully.  The only way that will happen is if/when we get Bin Laden.  As a poster said earlier, that is not a conventional military matter, it is an intellegence and S.O.G. matter.
If we get him, the rest of the terrorist organizations are going to know we mean business...finally.  They will we fearful of us again.
Bin Laden is the key...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul </p>
<p>June 30th, 2009<br />
12:11 pm<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Paul you are right about Afganistan and President Obama needs to end it successfully.  The only way that will happen is if/when we get Bin Laden.  As a poster said earlier, that is not a conventional military matter, it is an intellegence and S.O.G. matter.<br />
If we get him, the rest of the terrorist organizations are going to know we mean business&#8230;finally.  They will we fearful of us again.<br />
Bin Laden is the key&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Normal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Normal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMVET:  They wanted it. They wailed for it. They lied to get it.

And they are paying the price for it…
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Brother, if I have my way, they will pay the price for a long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMVET:  They wanted it. They wailed for it. They lied to get it.</p>
<p>And they are paying the price for it…<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Brother, if I have my way, they will pay the price for a long, long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmVet

Yes, you&#039;ve been pretty darn consistent these many  months.  And you haven&#039;t cut the go-along Dems any slack.

Unlike many who make all sorts of excuses for them.  

Now, if they&#039;ll just ask the same questions of this administration about Afg they asked of Bush about Iraq............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmVet</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;ve been pretty darn consistent these many  months.  And you haven&#8217;t cut the go-along Dems any slack.</p>
<p>Unlike many who make all sorts of excuses for them.  </p>
<p>Now, if they&#8217;ll just ask the same questions of this administration about Afg they asked of Bush about Iraq&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: socialism is da BOMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialism is da BOMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@9:12am &quot;TO hell with President Bush &amp; Vice President Cheyney,the nation celebrates your disgraceful fall from power and the ongoing hemorrhaging of your party &amp; idealogy&quot;!!! And we the people(sheep) of the State celebrate the rise of Socialism and our Hero/God/King/Leader/etc.....We will follow.......We will follow.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9:12am &#8220;TO hell with President Bush &amp; Vice President Cheyney,the nation celebrates your disgraceful fall from power and the ongoing hemorrhaging of your party &amp; idealogy&#8221;!!! And we the people(sheep) of the State celebrate the rise of Socialism and our Hero/God/King/Leader/etc&#8230;..We will follow&#8230;&#8230;.We will follow&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: AmVet</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you know me. 

You know I hold those Democratic go-alongers-for-expediency as culpable as their more bellicose and even less rational GOP colleagues.

But the irrefutable fact is that this is, was and will always be a REPUBLICAN WAR.

They wanted it. They wailed for it. They lied to get it.

And they are paying the price for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you know me. </p>
<p>You know I hold those Democratic go-alongers-for-expediency as culpable as their more bellicose and even less rational GOP colleagues.</p>
<p>But the irrefutable fact is that this is, was and will always be a REPUBLICAN WAR.</p>
<p>They wanted it. They wailed for it. They lied to get it.</p>
<p>And they are paying the price for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RW-(the original)</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW-(the original)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;US: ok, we will do it for 100.00 dollars a day per soldier used, plus expenses, deal? &lt;/i&gt;

Considering the US currently pays 22% of the UN&#039;s general costs and 26% of the UN &quot;peacekeeping&quot; budget all that idea would do is guarantee that the US would have to handle everything and we&#039;d be paying ourselves to do it. Brilliant! /sarc

Off to the forest. Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>US: ok, we will do it for 100.00 dollars a day per soldier used, plus expenses, deal? </i></p>
<p>Considering the US currently pays 22% of the UN&#8217;s general costs and 26% of the UN &#8220;peacekeeping&#8221; budget all that idea would do is guarantee that the US would have to handle everything and we&#8217;d be paying ourselves to do it. Brilliant! /sarc</p>
<p>Off to the forest. Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: md</title>
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		<dc:creator>md</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No md, common sense tells you it is ALWAYS about the money.&quot;

Then why share it with any other country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No md, common sense tells you it is ALWAYS about the money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why share it with any other country?</p>
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		<title>By: GOP is gone</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOP is gone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No md, common sense tells you it is ALWAYS about the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No md, common sense tells you it is ALWAYS about the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyleft

[[All of these men have functioning core principles they can stick to. None of them are required to make “special case” exceptions.]]

There goes that absolute ‘none’ again.  I’ll offer, and I’d be surprised if some ex-soldiers here would disagree, that “I will not kill my fellow man except in defense of myself or of my country” does not involve special case exceptions.

Maybe you mean anything a soldier does in war is covered.  I don’t think you do.  But soldiers, I understand, have all sorts of laws and rules and requirements that are written around ‘special case’ exceptions.

I noticed the pacifist principle was absolute.  The soldier used the word ‘except.’  The doctor I didn’t get.  Maybe it didn’t come out as you intended, but ‘preserve life “whenever it can relieve end or reduce suffering”  maybe should have been “preserve life, but I will make a special exception if it will reduce suffering?”

And I will offer, in the case of the pacifist, if it’s a mother who’s out with her daughter and they get assaulted and her daughter begins to get killed while the mother has means at her disposal to permanently stop the criminal…well, you get the point.  I’d have a hard time viewing that mother as a real moral person.  

Your next to the last paragraph took it to an extreme.   I don’t recall saying ‘whatever it takes.’  In fact, I said exceptions would be pretty darn rare.   Just like with the soldier.  Just like with the doctor.  Maybe even with the pacifist mother.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyleft</p>
<p>[[All of these men have functioning core principles they can stick to. None of them are required to make “special case” exceptions.]]</p>
<p>There goes that absolute ‘none’ again.  I’ll offer, and I’d be surprised if some ex-soldiers here would disagree, that “I will not kill my fellow man except in defense of myself or of my country” does not involve special case exceptions.</p>
<p>Maybe you mean anything a soldier does in war is covered.  I don’t think you do.  But soldiers, I understand, have all sorts of laws and rules and requirements that are written around ‘special case’ exceptions.</p>
<p>I noticed the pacifist principle was absolute.  The soldier used the word ‘except.’  The doctor I didn’t get.  Maybe it didn’t come out as you intended, but ‘preserve life “whenever it can relieve end or reduce suffering”  maybe should have been “preserve life, but I will make a special exception if it will reduce suffering?”</p>
<p>And I will offer, in the case of the pacifist, if it’s a mother who’s out with her daughter and they get assaulted and her daughter begins to get killed while the mother has means at her disposal to permanently stop the criminal…well, you get the point.  I’d have a hard time viewing that mother as a real moral person.  </p>
<p>Your next to the last paragraph took it to an extreme.   I don’t recall saying ‘whatever it takes.’  In fact, I said exceptions would be pretty darn rare.   Just like with the soldier.  Just like with the doctor.  Maybe even with the pacifist mother.</p>
<p>@@</p>
<p>Thank you for the link – I have it open in another tab</p>
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