Passage of climate-change bill a landmark achievement
Yesterday’s House passage of cap-and-trade legislation designed to confront climate change is a landmark achievement, the first tangible step taken by the country that emits more greenhouse gas per capita than anyone in the world.
The bill itself still faces a tough test in the Senate. Passage is far from assured, and without similar actions by other major emitting countries, it won’t mean much. But it does finally demonstrate to the rest of the world that the United States is prepared to do its part, which puts the pressure on them to follow suit.
The bill itself, the product of a thousand political compromises, also isn’t perfect. But it also isn’t what its hysterical opponents claim it is. As Bryan Walsh acknowledges in Time:
… critics have vastly overstated the likely cost. In fact, they’re all but lying. During the House debate, Republican whip Eric Cantor, using numbers from an American Petroleum Institute study, said that the bill would eventually cost more than $3,000 per family per year — but those numbers assume that billions of tons worth of inexpensive carbon offsets won’t be available under the bill, which would significantly inflate the overall cost. That’s not going to happen. A more reliable study from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office forecast that the bill would cost the average U.S. household $175 in higher energy costs annually by 2020 — and other studies estimate that the energy-efficiency provisions in the bill might even save Americans money over time.
When opponents are forced to lie so blatantly — in this case exaggerating the likely cost 17 times over — they don’t have much of an honest argument.
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Dusty
June 27th, 2009
2:06 pm
joseph nix,
Ha..how they fooled you! You know that innocent little Evita was the power behind the tenacious throne of poseur Peron. The women there rule! Strong men pass faster than lightning with a strong woman behind them. Convenience? Haven’t they got another one kicking up her heels there now? NO, I don’t mean the dear governor’s soulmate of sorts. (Shhh, I did not mean to start that one again.) I mean el presidente la femme Argentinivita.
Bosch
June 27th, 2009
2:07 pm
Normal,
Or rather – well written.
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:13 pm
Dusty–Ain’t Cristina something else! Hillary needs to be taking notes.
getalife
June 27th, 2009
2:13 pm
And Goldman Sachs is position well too.
I think this might pass the Senate too.
Lots of bribery money in it.
mike
June 27th, 2009
2:17 pm
Bosch –
“Normal @ 1:49 – well said.”
What? The tired old partisan argument of “my hatred of “your guys” is justified, but your hatred of “my guy” is not”?
Please. That trite line of logic is used by all shades of mindless partisan. Do you really think Rush’s dittoheads are any less convinced?
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
2:18 pm
Hi boschi!
I see you and Normal and the Braves have been eating cheesy shrimp for breakfast again. That stuff makes you lean left and fall out! May I suggest a menu of wheaties, spinach and wild onions? Three meals a day of that and you have NO worries (and no friends). The breakfast of champions all day!!
Normal
June 27th, 2009
2:19 pm
Mike, Yes I did know that, but in the beginning, I felt that was the place to fight and not Iraq…but now they have both become treeless Viet Nam’s…Just sayin’…
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
2:23 pm
Dear joseph nix,
I thought Hillary wrote the book? Maybe the Great Conspiracy that messed up her Billy Boy threw in the chips on another book. Too many villagers raising the…”rumors”.
Normal
June 27th, 2009
2:24 pm
Josef, you said earlier you are gettin’ the grill warmed up, so what’s the menu? I was thinking about grilling, but I just might pick up a mess of lemon pepper wings and fried rice and take ‘em home. By the way, have you tried Surf Dog yet? Nice little wine. Don’t think the dog had anything to do with it…just hopin’
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
DUSTY–Yeah, the Carpetbagger Princess thought SHE wrote the book, too…should’ve gone over to Tammy Wynette’s and baked a batch cookies…
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:30 pm
NORMAL–The Unmentionable will have his steak, I’ll probably just go for the burger…haven’t tried Surf Dog. I’ll put it on his list…
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
2:34 pm
Dear Normal,
I fear that Viet Nam is still prevalent in your thinking. Understandable. You were there.
So, you stick with your “treeless Viet Nam” version and I will stick with my Safety and Freedom Realization.
Maybe the twain will never meet but I think history will bring it together. In the meantime….I’d better get busy.
Bosch
June 27th, 2009
2:35 pm
Dusty,
Wheaties, spinach, and onions over cheesy shrimp grits? Are you crazy?
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:40 pm
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan–you don’t win a war with the a military with one hand tied behind its back for political reasons. Not that I’m in favor of militaristic solutions, but if you’re going to send in the military, then send in the military, if you’re going to send in the politicians, then send in the politicians.
And if you’re going to send in the clowns, “…don’t bother, they’re here…”
Normal
June 27th, 2009
2:41 pm
DUSTY: Maybe the twain will never meet but I think history will bring it together.
—————
Between you, me and the fence post, I hope so, I just don’t think so, but I DO hope so…
Normal
June 27th, 2009
2:43 pm
I wonder how many wars we’d have if the politicians had to fight ‘em…hmmm?
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:48 pm
NORMAL–Golda Meir asked that question and never got an answer
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
2:50 pm
Dear boschi,
I must clear up this “wheaties, spinach and wild onions” before I go.
Haven’t you heard? “It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s what you eat for breakfast.”
There! I hope that helps some. Bye now…
josef nix
June 27th, 2009
2:52 pm
Agreed it’s ihateobamaism and it’s met with ihatebushism, neither of which is very productive.
@@
June 27th, 2009
2:56 pm
A look into our future under Cap & Trade.
If you want the realities, READ IT!!!
If you wanna be led blindly off a cliff, DON’T!!!
Jack
June 27th, 2009
3:00 pm
Soon there’ll nothing to blog about if something isn’t done to stop the liberal march to communism.
Normal
June 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
They are rioting in Africa,
There are starving in Spain,
There’s hurricanes in Florida,
and Texas need rain…
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls,
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch,
And I don’t like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil, and thankful, and proud..
For man is endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain on some lovely day,
Someone will set the spark off…and we will all be blown away!
They’re rioting in Africa, there’s strife in Iran,
What nature doesn’t do to us will be done by our fellow man!!!
—-
Bye now…Just sayin’
Pogo
June 27th, 2009
4:09 pm
Jay, I am now convinced that you are just too far gone. You say, “It will do little good”. Americans are going to pay out the nose for this in basically everything in their lives, they are going to lose jobs because of it and the rest of the world is going to capitalize on it because of you and your kinds stupidity. Jay, your opinion is totally skewed by your liberal politics. Another blow to America dealt by the insane.
Bud Wiser
June 27th, 2009
4:26 pm
The 94%ers caint read @@, dontcha know? They all in line fo the handouts!
Eddy
June 27th, 2009
4:46 pm
Just love the name “Climate Change Bill”. Use to be Global Warming but the cold temps continued to get in the way as well as the normal temps weren’t cooperating too well either..just kinda stayed within a degree or 2 over the last 100 hundred years. So now we’ve all come to the consensus that it is Climate Change. Well of course it does, even you libs can grasp this fact. In and around October the temperature changes and it gets a little to a lot cooler…in and around May the temperature changes again and it gets a little to a lot warmer. So there…..the climate does change. Oh by the way, it didn’t cost us a dime to make these startling observations. The intergalactic stupidity of some people to spend millions of dollars to conclude that the climate changes. PS….It has done so for 1000s if not millions of years. PS#2…the earth is not flat!!!
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
4:46 pm
I wonder if some people bother to read and understand the ’stuff’ that they provide links to.
Normal
June 27th, 2009
4:52 pm
Oh right, the Washington Post…snort..
Bosch
June 27th, 2009
4:59 pm
On snap! @@ read a two year old article from the Washington Post telling of European problems – so therefore, it must be true!!! On snap! Forget everything because @@ read that one article….from the Washington Post….so it must be true!!!!
In case no one has noticed – it’s frakkin’ hot outside.
And liberals are marching us into communism. What happened to socialism?
The sky is falling. The sky is falling!!! Did ya’ hear? We’re all doomed because Obama is a marchin’ us into communism!!!
New t-shirt idea: Ihateobamaism – the new wingnut catch phrase.
Pretty much sums it up.
AmVet
June 27th, 2009
5:30 pm
The cons have given up. They can’t figure out how to tie a piece of white cloth to a pole, but make no mistake about it, they’ve surrendered.
No alternatives. No ideas. No prospects.
Just stuck on stupid.
And endless BushCo-esque foot dragging, b&llsh_t and deadly ineptitude.
This cast of flounderers is never going to do the right thing. No matter what the issue – Iraq, the environment, the corporate destruction of capitalism, legislating morality… Ad infinitum and ad nauseum.
Notwithstanding the basic and glaring problems with cap and trade, the Party of No falls into two equally specious and shallow camps – it cost too much and it’s unfair. And they could no more propose a superior alternative than Mark Sanford could stay off the Appalachian Trail. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge…)
And as Bud keeps reminding us, accordingly they have lost 94% of the contested national races since 2004. 63 out of 67. Stunning.
And as your credibility is in the toilet, prepare for more of the same, neo-conned…
clyde
June 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
Today at the supermarket I purchased the apples that were the most expensive.I felt I had to do my part to clean up the environment.
Normal
June 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
Good for you Clyde, now do better and feed a horse…the resession has made them homeless too…
clyde
June 27th, 2009
6:19 pm
Normal,
When I started out in this world the area I lived in used horses to farm.I’ve fed many a horse and shoveled the results out of the barn.I feel now that I’m being fed these results by the cap and trade people,and I no longer have a shovel.
TnGelding
June 27th, 2009
6:21 pm
clyde
June 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
I’ve put saving on hold and have been tryng to stimulate the economy since April 2008. I invite the rest of you that have enough savings and a dependable income to join me.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090626/bs_nm/us_usa_economy
Sunshine and Thunder
June 27th, 2009
6:33 pm
Jay
So we are now taxing carbon, one of the basic building blocks of life. What a great idea. Will we tax ourselves upon exhaling?
This is also good timing since the junk science of “global warming” is being outed around the world.
clyde
June 27th, 2009
6:37 pm
TNGelding,
I have not been much of a stimulator of the economy since 2007.I recently put my money back in the market in preferred bank stocks and my broker and I are buying and selling short term.We are making money out of the stimulus.This money will not be used any time soon to stimulate the economy.Spend if you like TN,but I’ll hold for the time being.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
6:50 pm
“Don’t fall out your chair leaning left on this subject. If you want to pay higher energy bills, that your perogative. It aint mine, honey!!”
Don’t fall out of YOURS, hon…’cause you’re going to be paying higher bills whether you like it or not. Unless, of course, you bite the bullet and go off-grid completely.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
6:53 pm
“As hard as you try, you do NOT get even one carbon credit for trying to blame Obama’s obfuscations on Bush”
But I wasn’t trying to “blame them on Bush”…I was only pointing out the Obama is doing the same thing that Bush did, just for a different reason. If you don’t like Obama for raising our national debt…then you shouldn’t like Bush either…because he did the same thing.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
6:55 pm
You poor conservatives. The sky is falling all around you. What will you ever do to survive. To listen to some of you, one would be led to believe that you are actually paying more taxes now than you were in December of 2008 and that the world that you lived in way back then is now completely unrecognizable.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
7:10 pm
dimocrats think that if it shows up at the gas pump, power bill, doctor’s office or anywhere else you transact your hard earned money, then it isn’t a tax.
And so do their dumbas-s voters, hahahahaha.
What stooges.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
7:17 pm
By the way, the $4+ per gallon gas showed up on Bush’s watch. The price of natural gas and heating oil went through the roof on Bush’s watch. Healthcare costs went through the roof on Bush’s watch. Taxes have not been increased since Obama took office.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
7:25 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) – One of President Barack Obama’s campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday.
The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama’s promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
And-
Barack Obama targets offshore tax havens
Cap and tax is just that, a tax, and do tell us, stooge, will Obozo veto it?
hahahahaha, yeah, ok
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
7:36 pm
Quit smoking and viola, no tax. And, better health which will lead to lower healthcare costs, even for stooges.
AmVet
June 27th, 2009
7:38 pm
“This is also good timing since the junk science of “global warming” is being outed around the world.”
Really?
I guess the term overwhelming consensus is a big farce huh? Doesn’t exist. All made up.
Nobody like National Geographic, NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, National Academy of Sciences, State of the Canadian Cryosphere, The Environmental Protection Agency, The Royal Society of the UK, The American Geophysical Union, The American Meteorological Society, The American Institute of Physics, The National Center for Atmospheric Research andTthe Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society.
Yep a bunch of johnny-come-lately, unproven and amateurish organizations if I ever I saw some…
Or from the University of Illinois at Chicago: http://www.physorg.com/news151609044.html
A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming.
Some of the worst of the reality and science averse are in BIG time denial.
Which is really rather funny…
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
7:42 pm
The US has been using cap and trade for many years and with positive results. It was implemented originally as part of the 1990 clean air act and it has been quite successful. Further, it is even a market-based system. Isn’t that the capitalist way. Read more about it here.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
7:51 pm
Quit seeing your doctor, stop heating your home, never drive your car again, hey, you’re right, Obozo hasn’t raised taxes!
Well, duh!
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
7:53 pm
Doggoneit, DoggoneGA & Seeker,
You forgot to mention the National Debt which has tripled since Obama took office. Did you forget those lil’ ol’ trillions? Bush did it? NO, he didn’t. Obama did it in six months!
Thank about that. He’s got another 3.5 years to go! Three trillion every six months equals=…????uh ohhhhhhhhhhhh
I KNOW I won’t like living off bread and water. Maybe the Chinese will let us have a little bit of Ramen noodles and fish heads once a month.
It seems that liberals think Obama is really MIDAS and everything he touches will turn into gold.
Well, I hope so ’cause my taxes and yours are not going to pay off this debt in this century. Maybe you don’t mind “helping out” but I prefer to spend some of my money myself.
Wide stance Andy
June 27th, 2009
7:54 pm
So it’s a tax of choice, one can avoid paying it by not smoking…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Wide stance Andy
June 27th, 2009
7:55 pm
Of course Bush didn’t have the true costs of his war calculated into the budget either, but don’t you let facts get in the way….
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
7:58 pm
As a matter of fact, it is Bush’s original plan that will ultimately raise federal income taxes. His tax cuts are set to expire in 2011. That is how Bush planned on getting back on track to controlling the massive amount of debt that he created. He just did not bother to expound on that little fact with his constituency. Now, if permanent tax cuts were the great and wonderful panacea that the GOP espoused, then why would they make them temporary. Well, that one is easy, even for my simple mind — because it was all a lie, simply more pandering for votes. Duh. Well.
Wide Mouth for Andy
June 27th, 2009
8:06 pm
As long as they don’t tax my gay lube, I’m cool with it.
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Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
8:10 pm
And, the national debt increased by five trillion dollars while Bush was in office and he even left us with the worst recession since the Great Depression as a little present. Too bad five trillion dollars does not buy anything better than that! We’ll just have to wait and see how Obama’s term ends up. After all, it is over seven years away.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
8:17 pm
“simply more pandering for votes”
Also called “kicking the can down the road” – in this case for the next President to deal with.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
8:18 pm
Seek your lost mind- Yeah, comfort yourself with lunacy, there you go, it isn’t like the democrats were in charge of federal spending the last two years of Bush’s term.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
8:22 pm
“like the democrats were in charge of federal spending the last two years of Bush’s term.”
Not a very good argument. It took longer than 2 years to get us to this economic state and it will take longer than 5 months to get us out.
TnGelding
June 27th, 2009
8:27 pm
clyde
June 27th, 2009
6:37 pm
Think it might be timed to make its biggest impact right before the next election? Good luck with your investments. Keep an eye on that broker. I thought it was good that savings (highest rate since Clinton)and consumer sentiment were up, as well as spending.
If we could get the troops home they could start stimulating our economy instead of Japan’s and S. Korea’s. And we sure need to save what’s being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention the lives being lost.
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
8:28 pm
Seeker,
You forgot to mention one more item. Bush’s tax cut plan can be made PERMANENT if Congress will approve it in 2011. Easy!!
Ah, I have a plan as sensible as any other plan (of Obama’s). When all 20% of adult Americans STOP smoking, healthcare will be free and we will ALL be healthy anyway.
If every adult American plants a garden and raises chickens, we will have free food.
If every one digs a well and puts up a windmill, all will be FREE. If we dig another hole, we won’t need sewers.
Throw in home schooling and we’ve got it made.
Oh yes, since liberals don’t see the need to fight, we can get rid of the military. After all, we are told terrorists just need to hear some soothing words and that is CHEAP!!
Now, wan’t that easy. Obama will be on the phone soon. I can tell he would like my plan. It already sounds a lot like his.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
8:32 pm
The Republicans were totally in charge back when the Bush tax cuts, the cuts that expire in 2011, were signed off on. Republicans made those tax cuts temporary. What did they know that they were not openly discussing with their constituency.
getalife
June 27th, 2009
8:40 pm
“Roll Call reports that House Democrats went to great lengths to get every last vote they could for the energy bill yesterday. Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) returned to the House for the first time in weeks, after having undergone heart surgery; Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) has been in rehab for his long-running problems with substance abuse, but he made it to the floor to vote; and Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-CA) who had been confirmed by the Senate for a top position in the State Department, delayed her resignation so that she could cast a vote for the bill.”
But it took 8 gop yes votes to get it passed.
RW-(the original)
June 27th, 2009
8:50 pm
One might be able to avoid paying the latest cigarette tax by not smoking, but those revenues supposedly fund SCHIP so they’re going to get to us all eventually.
/Unless you libs are saying you want to withhold health care for the children you’re always using as human shields.
Reverend Phelps
June 27th, 2009
8:50 pm
What spunk! What fortitude! Give those homosexual perverts hell, Wide Stance!
You are a true believer!
RW-(the original)
June 27th, 2009
8:53 pm
getalife,
It really only took 4 Republicans. Switch 4 of those yays to nays and the bill loses 216-215.
/Of course I’m sure a few Dems would have gotten some bribe money at that point.
md
June 27th, 2009
8:54 pm
“But it took 8 gop yes votes to get it passed.”
The question remains – why did 40 democrats vote no.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
9:01 pm
I don’t smoke, so I don’t pay taxes on smokes and I am healthier for it so my healthcare costs less.
I have a garden so I get many vegetables for less than if I purchased them at the store and I do not use any pesticides or herbicides so I know that they are safer to eat and I get exercise in tending to my garden so that helps me stay in better shape.
I have a well and a septic system so I don’t need the government to mess with that. It is working just fine.
I don’t have a windmill but I am keeping an eye on solar panels and other options for generating power. Our house is already quite energy efficient according to the results from our power company’s assessment. They even gave us a special rebate for meeting or exceeding all of their energy conservation criteria.
I’m already paying taxes toward the public school system and I’m available to help my child with school work whenever needed so I see no advantage to home schooling.
I am definitely in favor of not fighting needless wars. The expense is killing us as well as our soldiers and other innocent people. As for soothing words, “Just say NO to drugs, I mean, terrorism”.
Finally, President Obama is free to use all of my information as is anyone else that happens to read this post or any of my other posts. I hope it helps.
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
9:03 pm
getalife,
All I can say is, when you are faced with a herd of lunatics,’tis best not to incite the crowd. Republicans did not have a chance against the thundering herd of clueless climate converts.
Outnumbered without a chance, a few Republicans ran amuck. Wait ’til they get home. American voters may get trashed once but they seldom allow it to happen twice.
godless heathen
June 27th, 2009
9:05 pm
And the cap & trade tax will be voluntary just like the cig tax. Just don’t drive or heat and cool you home. Income tax is voluntary also, no income, no tax. I love liberal logic.
Reverend Phelps
June 27th, 2009
9:16 pm
The updated plan is focused on securing independent capabilities to remove North Korea’s asymmetrical military threat of nuclear and missile programs by deploying sophisticated surveillance, reconnaissance and striking assets.
No, that isn’t Obozo’s military on the cutting edge of defense, amongst all the PC cowards and multi cultural sissies, real men have emerged from South Korea.
They care more about protecting their own loved ones then being loved by the world’s perverts.
우리가 너희에게 문안하노라
(We salute you!)
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
9:20 pm
명. 고맙습니다 , Reverend Phelps.
(Kamsahamnida)
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
9:20 pm
“The question remains – why did 40 democrats vote no”
Because the Dems don’t march in lockstep, they can actually think for themselves. There’s a very good reason that Will Rogers said ” belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.”
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
9:21 pm
Seeker, CONGRATS!!!!
You are already following my plan, almost step by step. I knew it was a good one. Have you called Obama yet with the good news?
You will have to skip the part about not needing the miitary as I have noticed now that he is sending many, many troops to increase the number in Afghanistan. That naughty president! Broke his promise. You better send him another white flag. He forgot!!
Best wishes for the garden, the solar panels, the rebates, the chickens, the septic tank and your continued good health. You’re a mighty fine liberated female. I bet you even wear birkenstocks. I’m am personally sending you three carbon credits!! No need to thank me.
getalife
June 27th, 2009
9:23 pm
Well, some dems said they would vote yes then voted no. One from Texas cut and ran after voting no with dems yelling for him to come back. The dems in oil and coal country voted no and now in the Rahm and Pelosi dog house.
I have no idea why 8 gop voted yes but probably because they care about our planet.
I know, I did not think there were any gop without the con mental disorder too.
Dusty has it real bad.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
9:23 pm
“I have noticed now that he is sending many, many troops to increase the number in Afghanistan”
But he’s also reducing them in Iraq. Net change = none. But he IS putting the troops where they should have been all along.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
9:24 pm
And, wars are fought by using the spoils collected from past wars and roads are paved using the free labor of your brothers and billionaires pay for everything else that we use. Isn’t life in Perfect, USA, just, well, perfect. It’s like we’re living in a dream…world. Let’s call it fantasyland. Now, why didn’t the Republicans make those tax cut permanent. What are they still hiding from their constituency — the ones that still can’t put the pieces together on their own — the 20 percenters.
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
9:40 pm
DoggoneGA,
You are sooo correct. Democrats think for themselves. Barbara Boxer(D) showed that military general a thing or two about “thinking”.
“Call me SENATOR!” she barked to the military general who dared to call her “Ma’m” in a conversation on the Senate floor!!
Yes, sir, not only are Democrats great thinkers, they are loaded with …errr…charm.
But I forgot. That is why they voted for Obama. Charisma, baby, CHA-RIS-MA!!!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 27th, 2009
9:40 pm
Nena Easton is the bomb-
Krauthammer & Fox News Special Report Panel On Cap-And-Trade
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/26/krauthammer__fox_news_special_report_panel_on_cap-and-trade.html
Dude!
Seek and ye shall Find
June 27th, 2009
9:52 pm
Faux News! THat’s where that guy, Hannity works. The guy that likes to cut and paste other people’s words in order to make up what he wants others to hear. He’s a sick little puppy.
Stew Day
June 27th, 2009
9:59 pm
esterday’s House passage of cap-and-trade legislation designed to confront climate change is a landmark achievement, the first tangible step taken by the country that emits more greenhouse gas per capita than anyone in the world. EXCEPT CHINA. And that is a huge obstacle for the USA to compete again.
Sorry Jay– I can go with most everything that turns Green but we just handcuffed our country and said now punch back. We can’t and we won’t. This is not the silver bullet to more jobs and a green earth.
Lets read the bill next time too.
Government can not mediate and control our competition and that is the problem with this bill.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
10:04 pm
“not only are Democrats great thinkers”
I did not use the word “great” – but if you want to give them credit for that, I don’t think they’ll object.
DoggoneGA
June 27th, 2009
10:05 pm
“The guy that likes to cut and paste other people’s words in order to make up what he wants others to hear”
With the emphasis on “cut”
Dusty
June 27th, 2009
10:45 pm
doggone,
Yep, I credited Boxer as a great thinker. You probably thought that was for real. Figures.
As to Obama, during the election he mentioned bringing the troops HOME. Then he changed to Afghanistan. Irate lib commentators have mentioned that Obama now sounds just like Bush on the military. How about that! Could be that Obama finally found out what Bush already knew.
As to cut’n'paste, I thought you and Seeker liked Bookman’s blog. He does a cut’b'paste job every day “in order to make up what he wants others to hear”. You think he copies the methods of Hannity?
Well, getting late. Goodnight.
Carter is a Fool
June 27th, 2009
10:47 pm
Can we fire all of them? Both parties. They are all power hungry morons. A 300 page amendment was introduced at 3:00AM — 3:00AM!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is No Way any of these people know what they are voting on or the implications of their foolishness.
AMAZING. It is just NUTS. For example — all Real Estate Appraisers will have to be retrained so that they can now appraise houses higher that hit some magic Green Standard that countless new and existing agencies with their bureaucrats can create while writing the regulations and rules (thousands of more pages of “guidelines”) to implement this Cap and Tax bill.
Hopefully the Senate will KILL THIS MESS.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2009
11:00 pm
Gee, a liberal columnist cites a story written by Time magazine reporter who uses numbers from the economic director Environmental Defense Fund.
And my bullshoi antennae should NOT be going off – why . . . ?
Bookman, you’re a waste of carbon. Can we offset you?
oldtimer
June 27th, 2009
11:02 pm
A landmark all right in the destruction of capitalism and the USA as we have known it…and any climate change will go on!
TnGelding
June 27th, 2009
11:10 pm
Thanks, I needed that:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/stories/2009/06/27/unemployed_blessing.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
md
June 27th, 2009
11:19 pm
“I was only pointing out the Obama is doing the same thing that Bush did, just for a different reason. If you don’t like Obama for raising our national debt…then you shouldn’t like Bush either…because he did the same thing.”
I believe it was Barry that campaigned on “change”, not Bush.
And change we did get, from Bush spending too much to Barry spending wayyy tooo much.
Davo
June 28th, 2009
1:23 am
Can we have a parade when they tax oxygen?
Dummys
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I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 28th, 2009
7:14 am
It would also ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ moving the U.S. away from fossil fuels and toward cleaner power sources, such as geothermal, wind, solar and more nuclear generators.-Urinal/A Pee/ObozoBS
“Start” moving, eh?
Because we are now running out of gas and oil, we must prepare quickly for a third change, to strict conservation and to the use of coal and permanent renewable energy sources, like solar power.-President Dhimmy Carter’s April 18, 1977
Morons!
Joey
June 28th, 2009
7:25 am
Damn, I hate that I had no time yesterday to visit Jay’s Chat Room.
This is a landmark event, but the total opposite of achievment.
One example of boondoggle:
People who own forest will be paid millions if they delay, that’s right delay, harvesting the wood for 2 – 4 years. Of course, just like humans, much more carbon dioxide is used by a young tree than an old ready for harvest tree. Plus the harvest and replanting would generate many jobs. Not harvesting generates zero jobs, only money for the forest owners.
There are many more profit-intensive-low-benefit elements of Cap and Trade.
And for you Warming Believers out there, when Jay writes that opponents exaggerate cost by 17%, he is purposefully lying. He and you know that the cost per household will be much more than $175. If we are lucky, maybe, just maybe, that cost will only be $1,500.
And how will the our Climate benefit? Not at all.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 28th, 2009
7:26 am
‘This is a sea change in Iran’-
Q: What is the heart of the dispute?
A: The issue is free and fair elections. We shouldn’t lose sight of that. It’s not a rebellion against the whole regime. It is a revolt demanding the people’s voice be heard through a democratic process. What was driving the election was, get rid of Ahmadinejad. [The people feel] he’s been a disaster, he’s an embarrassment to the country, he’s made Iran an international pariah.
Q: What should the U.S. avoid?
A: The danger is that American people will get impatient. They won’t see this as an evolutionary process in Iran. They will start pushing for us to come out really strongly on the side of the opposition, which will just totally destroy them [the reformers]. We’ve go to be disciplined. We’ve got to think with our head and not our heart. This is going to be ongoing. This is just the first round.”-Urinal/A Pee/ObozoBS
Now that the AJC has started to help bury the protesters in Iran and get Obozo back to being schmoozy with the cut throats and murderers, isn’t it time for bookman to tear up like a crocodile over some dead woman?
Wide stance Andy
June 28th, 2009
7:29 am
Looks like the wingnut trolls were at it late last night. They must’ve been having collective nightmares of Obama…
I thought Nena was killed in Iran last week…
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Wide stance Andy
June 28th, 2009
7:41 am
“Whatever the final autopsy results reveal, it was greed that killed Michael Jackson. Had he not been driven – by a cabal of bankers, agents, doctors and advisers – to commit to the gruelling 50 concerts in London’s O2 Arena, I believe he would still be alive today.”
OK just stop…please…
What next, a soliloquy on Evander Holyfield’s financial tragedy???
Hey, I liked Thriller just as much as the next guy, but lets just be (painfully) honest for a moment. Had the man not purchased a zoo and theme park to lure children to his home, and had he not been engaged in “something” inappropriate with more than one of those children, he would have hundreds of millions of dollars and wouldn’t have been under such pressure to perform and get paid. The evil “cabal of bankers, agents, doctors and advisers” were a cabal HE built through his actions and decisions, therefore he did it to himself…
RIP and all that, I weep for the child that was lost, but that child was lost long before 1984, the “man” that emerged after that is nothing to be admired or emulated. Lets just get over it.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 28th, 2009
7:42 am
The United States produced enough oil to supply it’s own demand until 1970. In that year the U.S. had to start importing oil to meet the demand. Hence, a statement, after 1970, to the effect that we are “running out” is correct. Further, the situation has only worsened over the years, as we have chosen to ignore President Carter’s timely warning and listen instead to the oil companies and others that were motivated purely by greed.
Per the CIA factbook, in 2007, the US was consuming 20,680,000 bbl/day of oil while producing only 8,457,000 bbl/day. The difference was obviously being imported from countries including Venezuela, Canada, Saudi Arabia, etc. And, that’s just the beginning of that story — a story that people like Newt Gingrich will not share with you because it would make you realize that he is nothing but a paid announcer for the big oil interests. “Drill here, Drill Now, Pay less” is worse than a simple lie. It is a cruel trick to play on an uninformed constituency. Then again, some people will do anything for a shot at money or power.
Reverend Phelps
June 28th, 2009
7:44 am
Hot damn, it’s my little woman Wide Stance giving them queers and homos hell this morning!
She hates gays more than I do!
Be sure to come to Westboro Baptist this morning, sweetheart, I got something for ya!
Wide stance Andy
June 28th, 2009
7:45 am
Andy taps his toe and bleats:
“The danger is that American people will get impatient. They won’t see this as an evolutionary process in Iran. They will start pushing for us to come out really strongly on the side of the opposition, which will just totally destroy them [the reformers]. We’ve go to be disciplined. We’ve got to think with our head and not our heart. This is going to be ongoing. This is just the first round.”-Urinal/A Pee/ObozoBS”
Uhhhh… it’s really none of our business to be quite honest, other than a passing world event of some interest, it’s just simply none of our business… If it were up to us to take out tyrants in the world, which it is not, then we’ve got a long list of tyrants to take out…
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TnGelding
June 28th, 2009
7:56 am
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 28th, 2009
7:14 am
Morons?
http://indoors.pricegrabber.com/carry-ons-totes/WARNING-YOU-THOUGHT-REAGAN-WAS/m712907585.html
Maybe that should be “start again.” Jimmy was going on what he was being told at the time by the experts. There is not an infinite supply of oil and natural gas.
http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/index.html
TnGelding
June 28th, 2009
7:59 am
Joey
June 28th, 2009
7:25 am
Don’t worry, it ain’t gonna happen. It will never get out of the Senate.
But does anyone really know what it would cost? What is it going to cost to do nothing, other than lives?
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June 28th, 2009
8:46 am
Bosch June 27th, 2009
4:59 pm —–
You didn’t bother to read it, did you Bosch? I’m not surprised.
Time and time again I’ve watched you choose blind ignorance over knowledge.
Yes! the article was two years old but the question remains — have they improved on it since then or have they simply beat the consumers into submission.
Bosch, the thing I’ve noticed about you is that you’re ready to surrender BEFORE even putting up a fight.
Is there a brain behind those rolling eyes of yours?
BTW, the reason I’m responding now instead of immediately after your response is because I hit the comment submission and headed out the door for an anniversary party. Didn’t get home until after midnight.
I’m not trying to make you look bad…..
Linville
June 28th, 2009
9:02 am
TnG and Joey,
Some facts might be useful. There are many posts here about China, India and the rest of the developing world “continuing to belch pollution” while we try to clean up. The fact is that China and India combined use about the same total amount of energy as the US, and have a combined 8 times our population…so we’re using about 8 times as much energy/person.
These are developing countries, wealth is rising, and energy use/person is growing…meaning they’ll demand more oil in the future, meaning more competition for oil and higher prices. That is, unless you assume that the recession will continue to reduce demand forever. The markets have already made a bet that emerging economies will rebound faster than we will (emerging markets are up about 62% this year, hope that’s where you invested your 201K). Incremental demand for oil historically drives prices exponentially…so it’s reasonable to bet on much higher prices for oil than we’re seeing today.
I admit to not getting into the nuts and bolts of the Petroleum Institute study, but will bet my nest paycheck that $150-$250/barrel oil was not factored into their “cost per person” calculations. Nor was the impact of a continued $1 BILLION PER DAY trade deficit for oil imports.
Investing in alternative energy sources won’t be cheap, there’s no doubt that we’ll all pay. Carbon tax is probably not the right solution. And it won’t get out of the Senate. But we’d better get real on looking at the whole problem, environment, trade deficit, and competitive impacts of our heavy reliance on imported oil, and think about making lemonade…which in our capitalistic society means figuring out how to make products that either save oil or replace it with something that we, not the Saudi and Iranians, make a profit on.
Soothsayer
June 28th, 2009
9:25 am
The United States has just 4% of the world’s population yet we use 25% of the world’s oil. The pumped-up, testosterone-poisoning-induced, macho, ego-extension vehicle of choice in the U.S. is something like the Ford F-150 Super Crew Cab that weighs a staggering 5,913 lbs. and gets just 14 mpg city and 19 mpg highway. Surely, we can do better than this.
We, as a country, operate as if oil is an infinite resource. The right howls at the noonday sun that if we can only drill offshore we can eliminate oil imports, yet they cannot offer anything to substantiate that claim. I’ve even hear people claim that oil deposits are continually “replenishing themselves” sort of like a bog or something. What a bunch of poppycock.
The sad truth is that the United States (and, yes, the world) is very close to running into a crisis the likes of which we have never seen before. Last summer’s $4.25 gas was just a foretaste of things to come. Our ONLY hope is to get off of oil or at least drastically reduce our use of it.
Many of the world’s largest oil fields are reaching the end of their useful life (Google Cantarell). There has not been a major find since the 70s. There is a day of reckoning coming and $4.25 gas will seem like a Sunday pic-nic. There are encouraging signs though. Electric vehicles for one. We are at a turning point in world history. We can adapt and survive or fail and perish.
AmVet
June 28th, 2009
9:27 am
The cons can see nothing past their noses. At their own suffering and due to their own self-imposed blindness, they wanna keep the status quo.
It’s their disease.
That they want to keep stuffing the wallets of the Venezuelans, Saudis, Nigerians, Angolans, Iraqis, Colombians, Russians, Algerians and Kuwaitis tells one pretty much all they need to know.
And like the pollution they so love, they keep belching the same noxious fumes and toxins…
TnGelding
June 28th, 2009
4:12 pm
Linville
June 28th, 2009
9:02 am
Thanks.