There’s just one choice this week, and you know it
You knew it had to be him.
UPDATE:
The parallels with Elvis continue. Says the Washington Post:
The county coroner began an autopsy on the singer’s body, which an official there said would take several hours. A cause of death is not likely today, said Lt. Brian Elias of the LA County Coroner’s Office Investigations division, and might not be made public for a week or more, pending the results of toxicology and other tests.
Police interviewed a doctor who had been at Jackson’s posh rented Holmby Hills home when the singer went into cardiac arrest and towed the man’s car. “His car was impounded because it may contain medications or other evidence that may assist the coroner in determining the cause of death,” police spokeswoman Karen Rayner said. Detectives interviewed the physician briefly and were seeking to question him again, but police did not identify him.
A Los Angeles Fire Department source told the Los Angeles Times that Jackson was in full cardiac arrest Thursday when rescue units arrived on the scene after receiving a 911 call. The unidentified doctor was in the house performing CPR on him, said the Times’ source, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
In the meantime, lawyer Brian Oxman, who has worked with the Jackson family, told CBS’s “The Early Show” that he had been concerned about the prescription drugs that Jackson took due to injuries suffered while performing. “I do not want to point fingers at anyone because I want to hear what the toxicology report says and the coroner says but the plain fact of the matter is that Michael Jackson had prescription drugs at his disposal at all times,” Oxman said.
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
286 comments Add your comment
Paul
June 26th, 2009
6:58 pm
Bosch
I didn’t.
Mom was kinda strict.
For all the good it did.
My brother went to Europe for a few months, right out of high school. Went with a friend. When they got back, mom said to my brother “Tim sent his mom letters of everything you guys did and asked her to save it for a diary. YOU never sent us letters.” My brother said, ‘yeah, well..” Few weeks later mom says to my brother “how come Tim hasn’t been over?” Brother says “he’s grounded.” Mom: “Why?” Brother (with a big, BIG grin) “His mom found his REAL diary.”
She loosened up after that. A bit late, but better late than never.
Oh, Rep Conyers is of the Judiciary Committee, Dem from Michigan, and he’s been a consistent torch bearer for investigations and hearings and impeachment for the entire Bush administration (well, most of them) for their illegal, immoral, outrageous conduct betraying the trust of the American people and anyone who supports them is a ..
josef
It’s good to have that insight. Doesn’t always help early on…
But it does make one more understanding of another’s plight, eh?
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:01 pm
Seek and ye shall find
DebbieDoRight is obviously exceptional -
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:03 pm
@@,
Not sure what you mean.
“You want to nurture, condemn and make excuses for adults only???”
What? I can’t make excuses for the children involved, because they were innocent victims, not sure what you mean by “nurture” and I think my point was pretty clear in my condemnation in that I did mention that I think in all likelihood Jackson WAS a pedophile.
I wasn’t trying to make excuses for his behavior, just trying to put it into context. There’s a difference, at least to me.
And btw, I am a bit strange, but in a good way – at least you don’t find me shallow today.
Step up I guess.
RW,
Yeah, Jaclyn was the smart one. Sigh.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:04 pm
PAUL–too many out there buy into the “beaten as a child syndrome” in their own cases. Well, if you know you’ve got issues, what do you propose to do about it? Understanding that someone else may have issues they have not dealt with because they do not recognize them is a whole ‘nuther ball of wax.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 26th, 2009
7:05 pm
Paul,
Perhaps you should address you exceptional statement to the exceptional one. I was just steering you in her direction.
Tamye Bobyie Huntyr
June 26th, 2009
7:07 pm
What Ole Wyld Byll said is true. I was with him at that party, what he failed to mention is we was bar tending together. Had us some rented monkey suits and everything. Ole Byll was trying his damnedest to get in Liz’s drawers. He was always a cougar lover from way back at Gwinnett Tech where we learned an honest trade. But when Byll saw Michael he got a little star struck and tried to show off his own version of the moon walk. Need I say we did not get any 4 thousand dollar tip that night. Liz ended up throwing us both out and marrying some other young Buyk.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:07 pm
Paul,
My oldest went to Europe a couple summers ago. I didn’t ask questions when he got home. But he did tell me he felt bad about puking on the grounds at Pompeii.
And what’s the controversy surrounding Conyers? I’ve been either asleep or at the hospital today – no news.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:08 pm
Oh, while we’re out casting stones, let’s not forget Cold Cash Jefferson!
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:09 pm
joseph,
There is nothing more infuriating to me than the “I was beaten as a child” excuse for beating their own children.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:13 pm
Bosch –that’s not what I was referring to. I fear my age is showing here! When pop psychology was taking off back in the 1960s, this was a catch phrase for those who claimed it was not their fault, but their parents’ or society’s fault.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:20 pm
joseph nix,
No, I don’t think that’s your age showing, there’s still alot of people who make those excuses.
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:20 pm
Seek
I hadn’t seen her moniker up, but I trusted if she returned she’d see the remark. Didn’t mean to slight her -
Bosch
I just asked a question downstairs. Conyer’s wife, Monica, President of the Detroit City Council, was just convicted of taking bribes. Facing prison time. Conyers has been, as I noted, a loud voice condemning the criminal, illegal acts of the Bush administration and has pushed for hearings and impeachment.
Just finished up (I hope) with Kamchak downstairs, who took the position that situation is not at all comparable to Palin’s, as Monica is an adult, John didn’t form her values and he’s in no way responsible for her. Rejected the idea John’s judgment should be questioned, as he’s obviously real good at seeing flaws in the Bush administration but is completely clueless regarding the life partner he picked, her values and commitment to the law, and her general moral character.
Says Palin’s different as parents are responsible for how their kids turn out. I sure hope Kamchak doesn’t have kids, or if he/she does (or brothers or sisters do) that they all turn out really, really well so they don’t have to cope with their obvious failure if the kids turn out to be rats or bums.
josef
yeah, and it’s getting late on a Fri for that! But I see it as another situation of many intermingling factors, not an either/or.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
7:23 pm
Bosch,
Wasn’t Kate Jackson the smart one? My brain quit working due to reverse blood flow whenever Jaclyn was on the screen.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think this thread is having a problem the Friday night music threads don’t usually have for a few reasons that have been pointed out, but also for the reason Jay B alluded to about the similarity of MJ and EP both having their talent die long before they did.
Maybe if we want to get back to music we could link some tunes from people we lost in their prime.
I’ll get it started if y’all are up for it.
Paul,
I think you can just drop a URL here and Wordpress will make it a hot link for you.
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:24 pm
Bosch 7:09
Are you aware most child molesters were themselves molested? I think it must really damage the mind. Texas has a successful (pretty much) treatment program for convicts – but it’s horribly expensive and really, really intense in training and certifications for the therapists. This backwards, conservative state is much more progressive than a lot of progressive states in that regards.
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
7:25 pm
Hey Paul!!! : Hi DDR! I’m interested. How, exactly, are parents legally responsible for their underage daughters becoming pregnant?
That’s not what I said. I said her parents were LEGALLY responsible for her. Period. And now they’re responsible for that baby too, (financially), until she comes of age. If your kid commits a crime YOU THE PARENT are legally responsible and can be held in a court of law. Witness all the parents who are put in jail each year because their teenaged kids refused to go to school.
You’re saying all parents should be judged, if not as a matter of law, than as a matter of principle, for what their teenagers do, even if they’ve been taught correct principles?
Nope, not what I said. You’re reading more into it that what it is. LEGALLY parents are responsible for their kids. PERIOD. You can teach them right or wrong, do all you can for them; but if they do wrong you can legally held responsible. (Colombine kids are a good example, people wanted to hang the parents for the kids’ actions)
Then there’s the idea that an adult picks a spouse, a companion, and while he or she has definitely not raised that person, they should have insight to that person’s basic moral character (unless the person’s a complete psycho whacko). Are you saying a politician who makes moral condemnations of others (Conyers) should not be even questioned about their own ability to judge character when someone they’ve aligned themselves with commits criminal acts?
Again, you’re reading more into it than what I said. ADULTS make their own decisions — you are not responsible for the things that your spouse does UNLESS you are complicit in the act.
Kayaker: See above for comment. ^^
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:26 pm
Paul,
Wow. I don’t even know how to respond to that. I think parents are responsible for shaping how their kids will turn out and are responsible for them to a certain point, but as I’ve seen the past couple of years with my oldest, they are pretty much on their own after high school. They reach a point where you become the guidance counselor, and cheerleader and keep your fingers crossed. And I certainly learned a long time ago to never say, “Well my kid would NEVER do such a thing.”
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:27 pm
RW – thanks!
Okay, Bosch, I didn’t cite this earlier, thought about it, but thought I really shouldn’t, but now, I’m gonna use RW’s URL drop-link technique and send you to something to pull you out of your Michael Jackson funk…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk
@@
June 26th, 2009
7:29 pm
Can’t contribute to the music. My guy died and has resurrected himself more than once.
Posters? Tom Selleck.
I’d still have one if I wasn’t married to a guy who looks like Dave Ramsey (Tsssssssss).
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
7:30 pm
Paul,
The funny thing is if anybody reading through the thread is paying attention to you and me they’re gonna be scrolling back furiously trying to figure out where you even asked me that.
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:32 pm
DDR
Hey there!
I’m fine with the legally responsible part. But I wasn’t getting at legality with the idea of condemning one morality political preacher when a family member goes off track on the subject of the preaching while letting someone from another party off the hook when their family member doesn’t adhere to the morality political preaching.
’bout your third paragraph: my style: if I ask a question, I’m not assuming anything about your position. I’ll usually preface that with “I understand you are saying” or some such. Questions just seek clarification.
I trust from the rest of the discussion not involving you you got the gist of my wonderings –
Bosch
My experience: well before they get out of high school they can go their own way. Sometimes just to show you they can and let consequences be damned.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:34 pm
RW,
I think technically there was another Angel who was the smart one, but no one ever paid attention to her when Jaclyn and Farrah were on the screen.
I’d like to toss in Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and Kurt Cobain. All in the 27 year old club. I was pretty much devastated when Kurt Cobain died, but as I told my friends, that’s pretty much what happens when you are a heroin addict (as was the case in the other two as well).
Paul,
Why yes, I am aware of that statistic. I think it completely warps a child and they have a hard time developing a normal sex life and normal sexual relationships, but it is no excuse because it’s not 100%, otherwise we should just shoot the children who’ve been molested (and no I’m not saying that is what we should do).
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:35 pm
RW-(the original)
They gotta keep up – guess it came from having kids and having split attention for so long!
And you are correct, Kate was the brainy one. But Jaclyn, wow, what style…
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:36 pm
PAUL–I’ve been following the Texas program to a limited degree and have been impressed by some of what I’ve read.
I work with children in a public school environment and while professional confidentiality prohibits me from going into details here, we have to deal there with the realities of what many have the comfort of dealing with as an abstract.
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:38 pm
Bosch
good point. There’s always the ability to try to change.
Anywho, it’s getting late. Time to go fix some Friday libation and hit the swimming pool masquerading as a hot tub.
And drown my ‘no Battlestar Galactica’ sorrows….
Pleasant weekend, all -
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:38 pm
Paul,
“My experience: well before they get out of high school they can go their own way. Sometimes just to show you they can and let consequences be damned.
Yeah, and most parents don’t have the kahunas to let them experience the consequences.
My experiences with those who preach morality are the ones you must be the most suspicious of.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:39 pm
@@–thanks! Have to admit Selleck is right up there! Course by the time he came on the scene I already had the real thang hanging on my wall!
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
7:39 pm
Bosch: I’m not defending his actions at all. Sorry if you got that impression from me. My point was that, although I’m not a psychologist, nor play one on TV, it was pretty evident that he suffered from extreme arrested
Yeah, I know I wasn’t dogging ya! I was just giving you my viewpoint on his true “motives”. The guy grew up in a family with a mother AND a father that were very hands on. I’m sure he saw how male/female interactions worked. If he didn’t see it with his parents, he had older siblings and could’ve seen it through their relationships. I think he just played on public sympathy and thought that his fame could excuse anything if he “sold” it correctly. But, again, that’s just my opinion — I wasn’t there and the family ain’t talking!!
PS: One of the reasons I think the family never said anything is because MJ probably supported them. Their “careers” , except for Janet, have been non existent for a few decades and none have been seen working or doing anything outside of being a “Jackson”.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
7:41 pm
219 socialist stooges in the House of Representatives and another one right here in Atlanta, near and dear to our hearts.
Now bring it to it’s stupid, pitiful death in the Senate.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:41 pm
Oh thanks Paul – just had to bring up Battlestar. Sniff. Sniff.
Have a nice weekend! And make sure to cheer on USA Sunday (I still can’t believe I’ll miss that game!)
Paul
June 26th, 2009
7:43 pm
josef
I was impressed, too. Heck, I’d even support a tax increase to keep it going!
Bosch
I was from the ‘let’em experience the consequences’ school. Years later one son thanked me. Lots. Said it made him aware of the path he was on and if I hadn’t let him experience consequences he’d of kept going and probably ended up in prison, so he got his act together. You’d never guess it if you were to meet him today. He’s quite remarkable.
HIS kids aren’t gonna get away with anything, though!
Out -
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:45 pm
Debbie,
“One of the reasons I think the family never said anything is because MJ probably supported them.”
EXACTLY!! In all likelihood his family probably mooched off him as well. When Jermaine was all upset last night, he was probably thinking, “There goes my meal ticket.” I think the family was just as guilty of enabling his crazy behavior.
As I’ve been saying, just because he may have been abused is no excuse for him abusing others, but I doubt very seriously he ever had anyone to stand up to or report his behavior because they knew their sugar daddy would be gone.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
7:46 pm
More “good” news for a Friday night. If this monster the house just passed gets through the Senate your energy bills just skyrocketed (Obama’s words so don’t be a whackin’ on the messenger) and if you want a manufacturing job you better hit Rosetta Stone and grab Chinese and Hindi.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:46 pm
BOSCH–with all due respect, please allow me to take issue with “it completely warps…” I have known many people who went through the horror but who have been able to nevertheless lead happy, productive lives and raise stable, well-adjusted children.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
7:51 pm
joseph nix,
Didn’t mean it like that. I happened to be married to someone who can testify to the contrary. I meant it warps them at the time and it takes many a while to understand what is normal and what isn’t. Kind of like religion – I was warped religiously as a kid, and wouldn’t step foot in a church because of the bad experiences I had growing up, but I finally found out not all churches are like the one I grew up in, and religion doesn’t mean intolerance – i didn’t mean it exclusively. I never speak in absolutes – only Siths speak in absolutes.
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
7:54 pm
Bosch: And Debbie, I remember that interview, they were playing clips of it last night on CNN, and also in that interview he said something along the lines of “well, wouldn’t you sleep with a child who needed love?” And the interviewer, obviously shocked said, “No, I wouldn’t.” Well, yeah, duh, what normal person would?
OK I understand your point, but, as you know, I used to be a social worker, so I’m very familiar with the head games sociopaths play. They try to turn everything around and make everything about “them” while pretending to be disassociated with their actions or “unaware” of the things that they’ve done. Now, I’m not a dr. — I’ve just seen behavior like his before. Not saying that he was clinically diagnosed or anything like that, it’s just that I’m a weeee bit cynical about some of his statements and actions.
But, again, I’m just giving my perspective — I could be totally wrong and not “reading” him correctly.
That’s my point that he wasn’t normal
Word!!!
@@
June 26th, 2009
7:55 pm
Alright josef, maybe you can explain this one to me…
Dennis Franz.
What is it about Dennis Franz?
The men I find appealing covers a v-e-r-y wide spectrum.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
7:59 pm
BOSCH– “only Siths speak in absolutes…”
I wasn’t too clear there myself! I think the point I was trying to make you made much better. We can dwell on the failures, but we can learn much more from the successes…
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
8:01 pm
Debbie,
I know what you mean about sociopaths, but my point was that you can’t compare Jackson to a even a normal sociopath (an oxymoron, I know) because he never lived in the world that even sociopaths live in. It was a totally separate altered reality. it was like uber-parallel strange far out universe. He lived in Sociopath Disneyland. I doubt very seriously that he managed anything in his life: money, food, clothes – nothing. I’ll be willing to bet he never actually paid for anything – I’m talking the actual handing over of the bills to the cashier, fixed a morsel of food he ate, or even picked out his own clothes. I’ll bet he never even arranged for other humans to be around him – that was done for him. yeah, he might have said, “I’d like some ‘friends’ over” meaning little kids for him to “play’ with – but no one ever said, “Um, Mr. Jackson, I don’t think that’s a good idea.”
He was not normal – Word UP!!
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
8:04 pm
Okay, ladies and us who share your interest in the male gender…who di YOU have posters of?
I had a poster of Arnold Schwarznegger (sp) in his Mr. Universe speedo, looking SOOOOO fine. I also had a poster of LL Cool J and a poster of Big Daddy Kane. When MaDonna came out with her book enttitled $eXx, (my brother thought he’d hidden it from me in a good place, but he didn’t know that I knew where all his hiding places were), there were au naturel pictures of Big Daddy Kane with MaDonna; I used to look at that picture and think, “THAT’s why they call him Big Daddy!!”
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
8:15 pm
@@ Dennis Franz? Not one of mine, BUT when the Unmentionable and I were talking about his sex symbol status, he made the comment that Franz was a real man, meaning that he was the kind who is one you can see yourself settling down with and who’s not afraid to be, well, what women want a man to be…
Being of the persuasion I am women feel a bit freer in discussing men with me than they would other men and I always say, straight men would be shocked to find out what women want their men to be…
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
8:17 pm
Debbie: Madonna’s book…came out when we were raising our kids, and Little Princess had her copy. I used to get tickled watching the boys shaking their heads over the pages she had book marked…!
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
8:18 pm
Paul: ’m fine with the legally responsible part. But I wasn’t getting at legality with the idea of condemning one morality political preacher when a family member goes off track on the subject of the preaching while letting someone from another party off the hook when their family member doesn’t adhere to the morality political preaching.
OK If we’re just talking about Conyers personally then he, to the best of my knowledge, has only gone after political figures NOT their families. So he can’t be painted with the same brush of “going after Palin’s daughter” ’cause I haven’t seen or read a comment of his pertaining to that. So, if we’re being “fair and balanced”
we can’t tar him with the same brush of the others who went after Palin’s daughter to get to Palin.
Yes his wife IS in politics; but she’s a grown woman and responsible for her own actions. Go after her sure, but Conyers shouldn’t be held accountable for her actions.
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
8:23 pm
Bosch: . He lived in Sociopath Disneyland. I doubt very seriously that he managed anything in his life: money, food, clothes – nothing. I’ll be willing to bet he never actually paid for anything -
No disrespect B, but I think you’ve drank the kool-aid that MJ was sending to the press. The man was not a savant — he was considered a business GENIUS!! Especially when he nabbed the Beatles portfolio for a cook 20 something mil right out from under Paul McCarthy’s nose. His friends said he was a very smart man who knew the power of publicity and how to work it. He wasn’ t the rain man — I feel, he knew exactly what he was doing and was hiding behind his “childlike” facade to try and get over. Any man who puts an ALARM in the hallway by his bedroom so he’ll know when someone is coming his way, is not living in an altered reality, he’s living in this world and KNEW what he was doing was wrong and tried to run an end around so that he wouldn’t get caught.
Kamchak
June 26th, 2009
8:24 pm
DDR
Forget the issue about Conyers. Paul’s position is that “life partner” is a more responsible position than parent.
Seek and ye shall Find
June 26th, 2009
8:24 pm
We were training folks in China, and other countries with cheap labor, etc., to do our jobs back in the nineties. Anyone worrying about jobs going overseas now is a decade or two behind the times. We’re looking at the next generation of jobs that can be done here instead of over there. Some folks need to wake up and smell the coffee instead of trying to blame Obama for things that either happened in the past or, just as bad, for things that have not even happened.
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
8:29 pm
Why do I have to go to a Con site to see jam up s$#% like this-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iowahawk_blog/3660165643/
You go girl!
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
8:32 pm
Bosch: When Jermaine was all upset last night, he was probably thinking, “There goes my meal ticket.”
Too funny!!! Did you get a good look at Jermaine? He looked kinda weird his dang self!!! It looked like he “painted” on his hair with a magic marker!!!
I think the family was just as guilty of enabling his crazy behavior.
Yep. They probably looked the other way and pretended they didn’t see or notice anything.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
8:32 pm
Debbie,
No, I don’t like Kool Aid. I think MJ’s problems were entirely unique, which is why I’ve said he could be a case study for so many things. Not unique in the sense that he was or wasn’t a sociopath, but unique of him being the person he was in the circumstances surrounding him. I think we agree on the main points I just don’t think you can throw out his extraordinary and unique existence and compare him to others because there was no one like him who lived in those kind of circumstances, and I hope we will never see anything like his freak show existence again.
Pleasant evening all.
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
8:34 pm
Debbie@8:32,
Yeah, see we agree on the main points! Again, good night!
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
8:38 pm
Mrs. G–in case you check back in…it wasn’t a sack of Krystals–”thrown together” kielbasa, fresh asparagus, fresh corn and a vine ripened tomato from outside…can’t complain!
@@
June 26th, 2009
8:39 pm
Bosch:
Watch this video and then try to convince me that MJ had no concept of human sexuality.
I’ve always said this about Michael…the only time he ever felt alive was when he was dancing. He most definitely knew how to appeal to the audience through his sexuality.
At some point you have to take a stand, not in defense of a damaged adult but in defense of the children they’re seeking to damage.
josef:
I remember talking to this gay friend of mine (guy) we were debating some movie star. He said he was good looking, I said he was ugly. This debate went on for awhile when I finally realized I was arguing about some guys looks with a guy. It dawned on me that we were looking at him from a totally different perspective.
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
8:40 pm
Josef: You’re bad…….!!!!
Kamchak: DDR Forget the issue about Conyers. Paul’s position is that “life partner” is a more responsible position than parent.
I hope not!! Heck if that’s the case every politician’s wife that’s been cheated on by the politician is REALLY the one to blame. He just arranged the affair, lied, and snuck around but it was really all her fault!
Seek: I am one of the blind ones who didn’t see it coming. I remember distinctly when the factory workers were saying “Buy American” and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why!! I saluted the North American Trade Agreement thinking it was a good thing and couldn’t understand why the Unions were so mad about it. NOW I understand!!!
From a famous line from Star Trek The Next Generation: “Her eyes are wide open!!!”
Kamchak
June 26th, 2009
8:46 pm
josef
Looking through the Wine Spectator picks and this caught my eye.
“Chateau Ste. Michelle Pinot Gris Columbia Valley 2008 (88 pts. $13) Light and silky with pretty peach, almond blossom and grapefruit flavors that linger easily on the open-textured finish. Drink now. 100,000 cases made.”
Harvey Steiman
M. Jackson
June 26th, 2009
8:52 pm
The Federal Mafia nor bottom-feeding lawyers exist here.
I am finally resting in peace.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
8:55 pm
Debbie and @@– interesting, isn’t it what men think women want! One of the things gay men get a hoot out of is the straight men who go about claiming offense when a gay man, well you know…and we just shake our heads and mutter, honey what makes you think we’d want YOU! Got a brother in law who looks so much like Roger Dalty it’s scarey. Whenever a gay man takes the second look, he smiles, says thank you and goes on about his bidness. Back when I was younger and still had the looks, I felt much the same way about straight women who took the second look, @@ and I never really did understand it…I understood why they went for the Unmentionable, he’s a dark-eyed handsome man with an easy-going masculinity you’d want to wake up next to for a long time, but me? Well, I was the trophy that, unfortunately, you had to admit the next morning had a brain, too! And that, to me at least, was a “male thing!”
getalife
June 26th, 2009
9:02 pm
Man, Mike was doing more drugs than Anna Nichole. $10,000 a month pharmacy bill and a live in doctor to inject demerol everyday.
Jacko?
More like whacked out.
Geez.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:02 pm
KAMCHAK–thanks! You might want to check out some of the Canadian wines from the Okanogan…reasonable and quite tasty…some really good Rieslings, just the right balance between the fruity and the dry…have you ever had any of the Hungarian Balaton whites? Worth trying…there are some good Slovenian ones, too, and they’re still not overpriced…
Kamchak
June 26th, 2009
9:07 pm
josef
I recall your recomendation on the Balaton but I’m at a loss as to where to buy them. I usually shop in Suwanee, but it’s a trek from the casa.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
9:09 pm
josef nix and Kamchak,
Chateau Ste. Michelle bottles a pretty darned good inexpensive Riesling too.
Mrs. Godzilla
June 26th, 2009
9:11 pm
Posters?
This one. With a black light.
http://www.thepeacecompany.com/store/prod_cards_warnothealthy.php
not really a poster but ….
http://www.suddenlysenior.com/wildoats.html
‘lovely night y’all.
under the cover of the nearly out of control wysteria, the spa is at
78 degrees….
Joe’s going on SpaPatrol tonight!
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
9:14 pm
Josef: I don’t know……I think you went for the pretty boys!!! I, on the other hand, really LOVE beefcake!! U like brains, when I was younger, (ha, ha) my motto was if he spelled cat with a “c” he was too smart for me!!! I liked them big and DUMB!! I would ask them a test question to see if they could hang with me. I would usually ask a question like, “What type of books do you like to read?” This was really a trick question — the correct answer would be either comic books or I don’t read. THAT would be the guy I’d go after!!! Nothing is better than to have a dumb guy with a buffed body. THAT’s heaven!!!!
Gotta go for now!! My sister-in-law wants me to help her and her wife put together this stupid baby bed!!! After about 15 minutes, I plan on leaving to go to the bathroom and never coming back to help! I can sham just as good as any guy!
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:14 pm
KAMCHAK–Tower usually has some Balatons and the wine shop on Pharr occasionally gets some in…they’re not always the easiest to come by and when we do run into them we tend to “stock up” a bit…the Unmentionable is the “wino” and stays in contact with “his people!” What do you think of the Chileans? Was never so glad to see a country return to democracy! Finally could indulge my taste and not violate my political principles!
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
9:16 pm
Man, Mike was doing more drugs than Anna Nichole. $10,000 a month pharmacy bill and a live in doctor to inject demerol everyday.
getathejoke- Yeah, it’s a shame, if he could have held out a couple more months, the gov would have picked up the tab.
That’s what government run health care is all about and is why the democrats are clamoring over it so voraciously.
Medicare gets scammed 80 billion dollars a year, so times that by 10, you got one hell of a party going on.
getathejoke- Doctor, I’m so depressed.
“Doctor”- Here, hold out your arm.
getathejoke- Ouch, er, wow, mmmpphbbbt, ssspppptttt, mmmpoppphh, uh.
“Doctor”- Easy, son. Where’s your Universal Health Care Card at?
getathejoke- hahahahaha, mmmmpppphhhhyyytttt.
“Doctor”- Nevermind, I’ll check back later. Still “depressed?”
Check it out, every October they cut you off, so that you can drag yourself to the polls. But December, party time!
eewwww
DebbieDoRight
June 26th, 2009
9:17 pm
MsG: Had to comment on your post before i left:
Poor Burt. I know exactly how he feels. One minute you’re a male sex object, with beautiful women in hot pursuit. The next, you’re a lecherous old fart with bad breath, skimpy hair, and badly in need of Viagra
Too funny!!! Good night All!!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
German Rieslings are the only way to go but they are not inexpensive.
Joh Jos Prum will make your eyes water.
Kamchak
June 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
josef
Haven’t tried any Chilean wine, but now I’m intrigued.
getalife
June 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
That is funny Andy.
Methinks Mike wanted to go out like Elvis.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:22 pm
Debbie–heh, heh..nope never went for the pretty boys much…opposites attract! When Little Princess brought her fellow home to meet the folks, I had to admit he was fine, but, well, not the most brilliant conversationalist. I was trying to get a handle on it since she’s a really bright one. Finally after several attempts on my part to get more than a monosyllabic grunt, she leaned over and said, “well, obviously I ain’t with him for his mind, now, am I?” Well, he’s a good man, a good daddy and she’s happy and he thinks he’s got the brass ring…just goes to show you never can tell…
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:27 pm
RW-(the original)
When I first moved to the Northwest I made what was probably not the kindest comment on the level of, well, sophistication there on the frontier. The person I made it to didn’t say anything and invited me to dinner. I was impressed by the Riesling she served and was ooh-ahing when she let me read the bottle! I stood corrected and have been a fan of Chateau St Michel ever since…when we first moved to Georgia it was next to impossible to find and we were sent “care packages” from Washington!
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:28 pm
KAMCHAK–do check out the Chileans and best of all they are still reasonably priced.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
Have to give the Krauts their just due here! After all, they did invent the Riesling!
The South Africans do a really good one,,,,
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
9:34 pm
Nah, I think his qwack just rammed in a bit too much.
It is sort of strange, alot of people are saying he is “dead” or that there are “reports of his death” as though they don’t believe it, bookman included, like he is faking this to get out of the 400 million.
I’m thinking that he qualified for a government bailout, didn’t he?
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
June 26th, 2009
9:40 pm
nix- I’ve got a wine rack bulging with Auslese, Kabinets and Spatlese, all from the Germans, each is a surprise in it’s own way.
They make a jam up Red, Dornhoffer I believe is the name, a sweet table wine that really is sweet.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
9:40 pm
josef nix,
Lucky for you it’s everywhere now although I remember in my youth there was an allure to Coors since you couldn’t get it on this side of the country. Sadly once we could we realized it was swill. The Chateau holds up though. There’s a Riesling by Weber that’s also a really good inexpensive one.
getalife
June 26th, 2009
9:41 pm
1978 Louis Jadot Pouilly-Fuisse is some good stuff.
Bud Wiser
June 26th, 2009
9:41 pm
How could they tell? Certainly not by looking at him.
Rumors are his last words were “take me to Childrens Hospital LA”
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:42 pm
Hey, now, Elvis is alive and well and living in Tuscaloosa! Kid you not, we were coming back from a visit home a few years back and Tuscaloosa was the first “civilization” we came to. The Unmentionable needed to pick up some things and had stopped at the K-Mart on the outskirts. I was dozing and when I opened my eyes there was a fellow walking through the parking lot from his Cadillac and I swear he looked just like the fat Elvis!
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:49 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-:
Being a red wine drinker myself, the Germans have some real surprises. My daughter-in-law is German and is always bringing me in a new one to try…
RW-(the original)
Ah, yes Coors! I remember the days myself…and you’re right, it’s swill…! Course being political, I couldn’t buy it, but I would drink it when my less political friends brought it in…speaking of beers, the Northwest does some decent ones…but. really, I don’t know from beer, gotta remember my home of the heart is the Big Easy–Jax!
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
9:49 pm
1978 Louis Jadot Pouilly-Fuisse
getalife,
A casino hostess at the Mirage sent a case up to my room for my birthday once a few years back when I had to spend lots of time out there. Excellent stuff, but we had a more English slang sounding name for it.
godless heathen
June 26th, 2009
9:52 pm
just a ancedote about the nature vs. nurture debate. In my hometown was a hard working dairy farmer and his school teacher wife. They had six kids, 1, 2&3 (twins), 4, 5, 6. #1 and # 4 are dopers living in the old dairy barn. 2 has just been nominated to be an ambassador to a major world power. #3 is a very wealthy successful business man. #5 is a religious nut. #6 leads a “normal” life.
Ya never know.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
9:52 pm
Blaspheme josef!
When in the Big Easy one must support the brewers at Dixie Brewing Company.
/although it’s swill too…
getalife
June 26th, 2009
9:54 pm
She treated you right RW.
It was 30 bucks a bottle but don’t drink wine anymore.
Liquor’s quicker.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
godless heathen–yep and you never know which one will do what and which of the “losers” may well turn out to be the most successful…back in college had a friend whose oldest daughter was a true wild child, dropped out of school at 16 and hitchiked to Central America with a ne’er do well beau from down there, lived on the beach and now has her own program on NPR…!
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
9:59 pm
RW-(the original)
Heh, heh! Must admit I’ve swilled enough Dixie to float a paddle wheeler!
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
It was 30 bucks a bottle
getalife,
Can you imagine the price it was on the books as in the bizarro world of catering pricing at resort hotels? They even had every machine and dealer greet me with a Happy Birthday greeting that year so my guess is I would have a LOT more money if that part of my life never happened, but I wouldn’t trade those memories for anything.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
Fellow winos–can’t let the thread pass without recommending the “family vineyards” Chateau Cadillac…
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:07 pm
RW-(the original)
Memories…my Uncle Ralph always counseled to make sure you had something to remember…tried to teach that to my own kids…made sure they got to go back home as often as possible so they’d know what it meant to live the good life and laissez les bonstemps rouler….
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
10:07 pm
josef,
Abita is from a little north of New Orleans, but they have some fine beers to represent the area.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
RW-(the original)
Abita is from a little north of New Orleans, but they have some fine beers to represent the area.
Don’t know it…fill me in!
getalife
June 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
RW,
Memories?
Hell, I can’t remember half my life.
I know I had a great time though.
When old friends say remember when we did this or that?
I say no but wish I could.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:12 pm
getalife– same here! If what I remember is THIS good, what WAS the part I don’t remember!
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
@@,
Show me once this evening where I said Jackson did not understand human sexuality. And I lost count how many times I wrote that I was not defending him, and I also wrote that the children involved were innocent victims. I guess as usual you like to paint me as some kind of moral defect who sides with other moral defects, and per usual that just isn’t the case. But you have it in your head that you are so morally superior to me and everyone else who challenges you on an issue, or in my case just simply tries and has a simple discussion. I’m really sorry that you think I am some weird psycho, which I’ve never really understood why — except that you simply disagree with me politically. Cie la vie. Whatever.
I also find it an interesting pique in your personality that despite many chances to address what I wrote earlier before I signed off, you choose to address it after I’ve signed off. Is that your way of getting in the last word hoping your sad attempts to paint me as a moral defected weirdo will resonate with the other posters and make yourself seem morally superior? I find you to be very strange as well. Just saying.
RW-(the original)
June 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
josef,
Funny how the discussion moves. We like to tell the kids to let the good times roll, but we hope they’ll wait until they can handle it.
Abita They have a good mix and most are good, but as always you have to be an appreciator of beer.
I’d just as soon have an Anchor Steam and a shot of Schnapps out on Skyline.
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
June 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
When Michael Jackson sees a young boy he ..beats it, beats it , beats it, beats it…
A pedo is a pedo, even after death
Good Riddence
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
Hey Bosch–glad you’re back…join the drunkards with our memories!
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
joseph nix,
If your talking fine wines, it’s above my head. My idea of a good wine is Yellow Tail on the porch. I don’t savor wine – it savors me!
But New Orleans, I know well.
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
Talking about memories…when my kids were asking me about the disco era, my prime time, I told them I didn’t know what it was like, they said, “but you were there” and I said “which is why I don’t know…” Began to understand my mama when I asked her about being a flapper,,,!
Hillbilly Deluxe
June 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
Not a drinking man myself but an old man I thought a lot of used to say, “I only drink corn liquor. I drink strictly for effect and I see no sense in wasting time.”
josef nix
June 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
BOSCH–Hey, now, I’ll join you for some Yellow Tail on the porch any time. As the Unmentionable says, fine wine is one thing, but a good buzz is what you’re really after…glad you know the Big Easy…best place in the whole country in my humble opinion…dinner at Tujagues and a roll down Bourbon to cap it off…
RW–it’s true…it’s why we took ours home the way we did…we wanted them to see what it was they would be turned loose to enjoy when they showed they could handle it…took ‘em to Carnival every year, but from about 12 to about 15, they did it in Mobile!
Bosch
June 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe,
If it’s the effect your going for, the cheaper the better.