There’s just one choice this week, and you know it

You knew it had to be him.

UPDATE:

The parallels with Elvis continue. Says the Washington Post:

The county coroner began an autopsy on the singer’s body, which an official there said would take several hours. A cause of death is not likely today, said Lt. Brian Elias of the LA County Coroner’s Office Investigations division, and might not be made public for a week or more, pending the results of toxicology and other tests.

Police interviewed a doctor who had been at Jackson’s posh rented Holmby Hills home when the singer went into cardiac arrest and towed the man’s car. “His car was impounded because it may contain medications or other evidence that may assist the coroner in determining the cause of death,” police spokeswoman Karen Rayner said. Detectives interviewed the physician briefly and were seeking to question him again, but police did not identify him.

A Los Angeles Fire Department source told the Los Angeles Times that Jackson was in full cardiac arrest Thursday when rescue units arrived on the scene after receiving a 911 call. The unidentified doctor was in the house performing CPR on him, said the Times’ source, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

In the meantime, lawyer Brian Oxman, who has worked with the Jackson family, told CBS’s “The Early Show” that he had been concerned about the prescription drugs that Jackson took due to injuries suffered while performing. “I do not want to point fingers at anyone because I want to hear what the toxicology report says and the coroner says but the plain fact of the matter is that Michael Jackson had prescription drugs at his disposal at all times,” Oxman said.

286 comments Add your comment

HavingMySay

June 26th, 2009
3:16 pm

I would have been disappointed if you hadn’t selected a song by MJ. Thanks Jay…..

To all the MJ Haters – let it go. The man is gone.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
3:16 pm

Good choice.

Although I was always more of a “Stop, the love you save may be your own” kinda guy.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:18 pm

I’m not gettin’ the site…Is he playing “Beat it”?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 26th, 2009
3:20 pm

I met Michael Jackson at a party that Liz and Larry hosted in Palm Springs. He was a small odd man, sort of a paler Phil Spector.

One is left to wonder what effect growing up without a father figure will have on Blanket and the others.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
3:20 pm

I’m not gettin’ the site…Is he playing “Beat it”?

nope, it’s “Never can say goodbye.” Thematically appropriate, for sure.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
3:24 pm

Oh no, not a Michael Jackson thread.

eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
3:27 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

“Oh no, not a Michael Jackson thread.”

Just for you! Now wasn’t that thoughtful. Bless your heart.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
3:28 pm

Came across this author on a radio show, he passed along something producer Quincy Jones had to say about MJ’s work ethic. snicker at the term if you will, I don’t much care. Point’s valid.

At one point I asked Q[uincy] what separated the great stars from the near greats he’d worked with. “Ass power” was his reply. To illustrate his point, Q compared Michael Jackson to another well-known vocalist he’d produced. The other singer, an artist with an immense voice and an insatiable appetite for cocaine, would come to the studio, maybe lay down a scratch vocal, and then wander off for hours. Jackson, in contrast, would come to the studio, record a strong lead vocal, work the stacked harmonies that distinguished his work, and practice where to place those ad-libs that were his trademark.

“His ass power,” Q said, “would keep him in the studio until he felt he’d accomplished something that day. That ability to focus, to stay in that chair in the studio, listening to playback and then going back in to record some more — that’s what separates the good from the great.”

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:32 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

Heard the same example used for Tiger Woods. He’d made a particularly difficult shot. Someone made a comment to the effect that “I wish I should shoot like that.” Commentator said Mr. Woods had surveyed the course, seen that type of shot as a distinct possibility, then practiced for hours and hours, over and over again, on that one shot.

There’s a reason some of the greats are great -

Dave R.

June 26th, 2009
3:34 pm

Wouldn’t that very same “ass power” apply to Rush Limbaugh?

And I prefer ABC, even though “Never Can Say Goodbye” is certainly more touching and appropriate.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
3:37 pm

mm

June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm

For you undereducated neocons – Cap and trade has been in effect for years. Obama is just tightening the cap. If you don’t use all of your emission credits, you can sell them. If you run out, you can buy them from someone else. Bottom line, the amount of polution being allowed is being lowered 17 percent by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050. Stop listening to the morons.

I like it when the mmoron calls other people “uneducated.”

Reps. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) and Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), who are members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), say they are not yet sold on the bill.

A vote-counter for the CBC, Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.) explains that his colleagues are “reluctant to give a firm commitment until they can be satisfied that it will not disproportionately affect minority families.”

“It’s hard … in these economic times for us to say, ‘Bite the bullet’ and have higher utility bills in the winter and the summer,” Clay told The Hill.

I’m listening to your side, mmoron.

Maybe you should too.

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
3:38 pm

Jay, great choice. The artist was never in question, obviously. But wow – what an appropriate song.

DB – Thanks to you, too. As you said, the point is valid about MJ’s approach to his art, even if many of us (myself included) were completely squicked about his life or lack thereof.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:39 pm

Beat it, Beat it! Where’s my other glove? Beat it…

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
3:41 pm

Wouldn’t that very same “ass power” apply to Rush Limbaugh?

Sure. I’ve never questioned the man’s work ethic, nor his business ingenuity. For what it’s worth.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:42 pm

Brutus: your 3:37…Was this a MJ song?

Vienna Sausage Boys Choir...

June 26th, 2009
3:43 pm

You and I must make a pact
We must bring salvation back
Where there is love
I’ll be there
I’ll reach out my hand to you
I’ll have faith in all you do
Just call my name
And I’ll be there

I’ll be there to comfort you
Build my world of dreams around you
I’m so glad I found you yeah
I’ll be there with a love so strong
I’ll be your strength
You know I’ll keep holding on

Let me fill your heart with joy and laughter
Togetherness, well it’s all I’m after
Just call my name and
I’ll be there
I’ll be there to protect you
With an unselfish love that respects you
Just call my name
And I’ll be there

Chorus:
I’ll be there to comfort you
Build my world of dreams around you
You know I’m so glad that I found you
I’ll be there with a love so strong
I’ll be your strength
You know I’ll keep holding on

See, if you should ever find someone new
I know she better be good to you
‘Cause if she doesn’t then
I’ll be there

Don’t you know baby yeah yeah
I’ll be there
I’ll be there
Just call my name and
I’ll be there

I’ll be there, baby
You know I’ll be there
Just call my name and
I’ll be there
Just look over your shoulder
Just call my name and
I’ll be there

getalife

June 26th, 2009
3:43 pm

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
3:44 pm

Normal @ 3:42 – I believe Veruca Salt is showing us “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough”.

TnGelding

June 26th, 2009
3:48 pm

HavingMySay

June 26th, 2009
3:16 pm

And to the media, let him go. As someone posted below, he’s been dead for years.

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
3:49 pm

Geeze, how much more of Chester the Child Molester are we going to have to see?

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
3:52 pm

Peadawg – It’ll be over soon, and we can return to Winky U. Betcha.

GreenJeans

June 26th, 2009
3:54 pm

Picture it: Me and a friend studying for finals, Spring ‘83, 1:00 in the morning.

I’ve got an F in Political Science (having discovered sex and weed earlier in the semester), heading into a 1/3-multiple choice, 2/3 essay exam in seven hours.

We take a break, turn on the radio, and “Beat It” is blaring.

I let fly with a “Whooo!” and a jump, throwing my right hand straight up into the air, and straight into the little metal ceiling fan in the kitchen.

Blood. Trip to campus Quack Shack. Stitches. No writing for me anytime soon, and a freaking PolySci repeat.

The next day my up-until-now unsympathetic professor asks if I might at least handle the multiple choice portion? Well, I’ll try.

Score an A; pass the class with a D.

Thanks, Michael. For all the demons you wrestled with during your life, to me you will always be the man who got me through Political Science.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:55 pm

G3 : “Fraid so…Just sayin’

Brad Steel

June 26th, 2009
3:57 pm

“The Vienna Sausage Boys Choir” that’s funny stuff.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
4:00 pm

I remember the ‘Zillettes and I waiting to watch the premier of this video when they were 9 and 10….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
4:16 pm

Requiem In Principle

June 26th, 2009
4:19 pm

I suspect he’s no longer under pressure. Then again, who’s to know for sure, eh!

herbK

June 26th, 2009
4:33 pm

Vienna Sausage Boys Choir, excellent, a very meaty selection. Bet that Evan, your lead singer doesn’t look a day over 12.

Don’t stop ’till you get enough.

Pogo

June 26th, 2009
4:34 pm

Same media that hounded him and that reveled in his bad and bizarre behaviour for the sake of “a story” is now deifying him. As the song said, “Is the head dead yet? We need dirty laundry”. This story, when it comes, is not going to be a pretty one. Michael Jackson gave all of you in the press all the dirty laundry you ever wanted. Only thing was, you forgot that there was a human being, with human feelings and who had family members which cared about who were also involved. Much the same thing as Jay has been doing all week to the Governor of South Carolina (only his reason is political, not sensational). Jay, all of you in the press and media should be proud of yourselves. Basically you are a bunch of buzzards who are even sadder than the people whose trajedy you capitalize on.

Scooter

June 26th, 2009
4:50 pm

I can only remember of one song MJ sang. It was Beat It.I think it was the one when his hair caught on fire in the Pepsi commercial.I am an old Stones fan myself!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
4:57 pm

OMG, just when you think someone couldn’t have any more screwed up sense of perspective…

Was looking over a friend’s Facebook page and he’d made a notation that this guy is one of the most screwed up on the planet. From OGOchoCINCO (Chad Johnson): “Okay, first Mrs. Fawcett and now Mr. Jackson, please, tell me that this is a mistaken rumor, if not this is just as sad as 9/11″

Gotta say, that tops anything posted here -

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:01 pm

Oh my, my previous post…

The guy’s a receiver in the NFL – Cincinnati Bengals….

O-kayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Jane Fonda

June 26th, 2009
5:05 pm

I heard Ben did it.

jasper

June 26th, 2009
5:15 pm

1st album I ever got was at my 9th birthday party, “Maybe Tomorrow”. I listened to it for days and stared at the cover wishing I was MJ. How that wish has faded, but the music is still just as majical as it ever was. He’ll always be that amazingly talented boy to me.

TnGelding

June 26th, 2009
5:15 pm

Pogo

June 26th, 2009
4:34 pm

You’re off your stick, comparing apples to orange juice. With celebrity comes scrutiny and perverted, in many instances, interest. Michael is another entertainer that died too young due to a bizarre lifestyle. The governor is another hypocritical GOP member that broke his most sacred vow. Jay isn’t trying to harm him and was very forgiving in his posting.

In short, they brought it on themselves, and should have known better.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:20 pm

I had my MJ say on the previous thread – off topic of course.

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
5:23 pm

TnGelding: And, in Sanford’s case, don’t forget the rank hypocrisy of his behavior as compared to his “Family Values” platform for re-election in 2006. Having been one of Marky Mark’s “whippin’ boys” at the time – my hubby and I lived in Columbia while Sanford pushed SC’s hateful Marriage Discrimination Amendment – I have to admit that the Schadenfreude feels Really Really Good right now.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm

Speaking of freaks, have you libs pardoned Pee Wee Herman yet?

getalife

June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm

Interestingly, Jackson wrote a song called “Morphine” in 1997. One of the lyrics — “Demerol. Demerol. Oh God he’s taking Demerol.”

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:29 pm

Bosch

How’s your dad doing?

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:30 pm

I can remember cruising around town with my older cousin jamming to “Off the Wall” on 8 track.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:32 pm

Paul,

Good. Thanks. He had back surgery this morning, but was up walking up and down the hall 30 minutes after he woke up standing up straight instead of all hunched over. His doctor looked like he was 25, but hey, them young ones must know a thing or two about new back surgery procedures because he did wonders on my dad. It was pretty amazing to see him up walking to his full 6′4 potential. I forgot how tall the man was.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:33 pm

Paul,

Make that I forgot how tall the man IS, not was. Geez.

pat

June 26th, 2009
5:38 pm

Who cares? A child molester is dead, big deal.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:38 pm

Bosch

Glad to hear it.

“Was” is fine. He wasn’t then, before surgery. You were referring to that time. “Is” is now.

Did I ever tell you I liked Clinton’s explanation of “is”?

@@

June 26th, 2009
5:40 pm

GGG:

Paul – Careful there. When @@ comes back, you’re gonna get the lecture about Staying On Jay’s Topic.

You are so full of crap.

You, specifically, have come in to chastise me for changing YOUR chosen topic which wasn’t JAY’S chosen topic. I really don’t care what you guys wanna talk about as long as it’s NOT one particular contributor. When I come in with something that interests me, don’t accuse me of changing the subject. It’s a one-hit “wonder”…..not interested? Don’t read it.

~~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~~

It’s always been my practice not to speak ill of the deceased. MJ’s life was a sad experience from beginning to end. The saddest part being that he passed his suffering (abused childhood) onto other unsuspecting children. That aside…

he was an excellent dancer and no one can tell me he didn’t know what he was doing.

When he performed, he was in complete control of his audience. A regular chameleon, he was.

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
5:45 pm

The biggest problem for Democratic leaders at this point comes from veteran Democrats like Rahall, New Jersey Rep. Rush Holt and Colorado Rep. John Salazar, who don’t face a clear election threat in 2010 but oppose the legislation. Leaders want safe veterans on board so that more vulnerable members can be freed to vote no on the bill.

They know that people do not want this farce and will vote against people who are in favor of it, so the environmental terrorist democrats scheme ways to shove this down our throats.

suicide bombers, plain and simple.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:48 pm

Hi @@

I do like your Stratfor posts. Please, keep’em coming.

BTW – do you have any idea it is to get a liberal to answer the simple question “should those who held Palin and her supporters accountable or ridiculed them for her abstinence talk when her daughter got pregnant, also hold Rep Conyers accountable and ridicule him for his political morality talk, since his politician wife was engaged in criminal activity and violating a public trust and has been convicted?”

Such a simple question…

dang, I’ve gone off topic, again!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:49 pm

@@

should be “do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a liberal to…”

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:49 pm

Since it’s appropriate here, I’ll repost what I wrote earlier:

Seriously, no joking aside, the news coverage I’ve seen just reaffirmed what I’ve always thought about him: that he was a sad and lonely individual who probably never had a true friend, was most likely horribly abused by his parents, and lived in an altered state of reality. He suffered from severe arrested development and was a five year old living in a 50 year old body, who identified with the Elephant Man more than himself or as a human being for that matter. It’s really sad.

It’s easy to call Michael Jackson a pedophile, because in all likelihood, he was. At least by the letter of the law. But I seriously do not think that he knew that sleeping with 13 year olds was wrong because I do not feel he was sexually mature enough or emotionally mature enough to know the difference. His whole life, he was surrounded by people who wanted money from him and those who would extort him and his emotional disabilities because they knew they could. And let’s face it, any parent who would put their child in that situation is just as retarded. I feel he did not ever really realize what is right or wrong – yes, some would argue that’s just natural to figure out the difference, but I don’t think he lived in a natural world — ever.

I used to work with adult mental retarded people and they were very similar. Their bodies became mature and they naturally developed physically sexually, but their minds were still that of a five year old. They didn’t know how to deal with their physical bodies. I think it is very obvious looking at Jackson over the years that is exactly what happened to him.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:51 pm

Paul,

Yeah, I was always astounded at that definition as well. They didn’t call him “Slick Willie” for nothing!

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
5:53 pm

Good move Mr. President

Now where’s that apology to President Bush?

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:54 pm

Bosch

Last night my wife made quite a comment about MJ. I noted he’d never been convicted of anything (great… now I’m gonna get challenged and ridiculed for that remark… by the same people who refer to incarcerated jihadists as ’suspects’!) and she said, well, yeah… but…

I passed along your remarks to her. She got pretty thoughtful. Saw it from a different perspective.

’twas a sad situation, now it’s over.

ByteMe

June 26th, 2009
5:55 pm

And this is what took MTV videos to the next level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8

Paul

June 26th, 2009
5:56 pm

RW-(the original)

When that was first mentioned here it was met with pretty much disbelief by diehard Obama supporters.

John Stewart’s gonna have a field day.

Never thought I’d be so pleased to have a politician reverse course so often!

Y’know, he’s gonna win over the cons yet!

:-)

mike

June 26th, 2009
5:57 pm

“The Obama administration, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close Guantanamo, has drafted an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.

Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361.html?hpid=topnews

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
5:59 pm

It is sad, I’m not defending his actions at all, but then again, I don’t think anyone can compare him to a typical child molester because I feel he was a child himself. You could tell by any interview he did in the past 15 years. He lived his whole life in a completely unnatural environment – none that anyone can call real. As far as I can tell, he never had a healthy or normal relationship with another human being. I doubt very seriously that he ever had actual sex with another person. And if he had actual sex with one of those kids, I do not think he saw it as wrong, rather that was what he thought love was because he had nothing else to base it on.

It’s sad and pathetic actually, and you’re right – now he’s dead, and there will probably be just as many people trying to extort money from his estate as there were when he was alive. He was a case study in so many things in our society that are just so wrong.

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
6:02 pm

Paul,

It’ll never happen if he won’t man up and say he had been wrong all during the campaign…that and the whole domestic agenda craziness that he doesn’t know he’s wrong about yet.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:02 pm

ByteMe,

From what I’ve gathered reading your posts, I think you and I are about the same age (I’m 41) and I remember when that video premiered on MTV – it was like a movie premiere, but one we could watch at home. It was a pivotal moment in music history.

DebbieDoRight

June 26th, 2009
6:03 pm

Ms.G: remember the ‘Zillettes and I waiting to watch the premier of this video when they were 9 and 10…

Went to your link, (Black or White), and what is so stunning to me about it is that even then he had issues with who he was. He was born a little brown boy in Indiana, but transformed himself — by the time he died he looked like and old white lady. Really sad. I really can’t understand racial self awareness issues at all. My family has always embraced every color that we came in, (light or dark skinned, curly, straight, thick, or wavy hair); and made us proud of who we are and where we came from. I find it really sad that he chose to turn himself white instead of rejoicing in his blackness.

My favorite Jackson song: Who’s Loving You. Classic Blues, song by a kid with milk on his mouth!!! Brilliant!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ane6VJGlIMs&feature=related

Requiem In Principle

June 26th, 2009
6:03 pm

Four hundred million in debt and he goes and dies. Damn! He’s the perfect Republican.

@@

June 26th, 2009
6:03 pm

Paul:

Their “morality” is measured by a different schtick.

I don’t mind if you go off-topic. Food is nothing more than a necessity for maintaining life. I can’t get that excited about something so basic. The discussions on gay lifestyles? No biggie either — a different perspective can be useful.

If I come in with something else “interrupting you ladies’ coffee klatch”, my posts are accompanied by humor (I don’t do the emoticons, remember?) I could give you an (ISH) or josef and (ISH) but the others haven’t earned an (ISH) nor do they know what to do with an (ISH).

I’ll always bring Stratfor’s insight. I’ve been keeping my eye on Turkey and I ain’t talkin’ fowl unless it’s how they can foul up Pootin.

I wonder if Hillbilly Deluxe will weigh in on an MJ video? Likely not.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:06 pm

When I was a teenager, it was so uncool to admit you liked Michael Jackson with my crowd, but I’d find myself grooving a little when one of his songs came on, and then you’d snap out of it and hope no one saw you. :-)

I think I’m the only one in my high school that didn’t own Thriller.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:12 pm

RW-(the original)

From what I’ve seen, it’s not even “changed my mind because…” It’s just, bam! change.

@@

[[Their “morality” is measured by a different schtick.]]

For me, it’s one more example their loud protests and objections are based upon seeking political advantage, not upon principle.

Given I grew up reading cookbooks… trying lots and lots of different styles of food…. explored other cultures and times and places through cooking… okay, yeah, I have a different perspective.

Don’t think I’ve ever been irritated at your coming in with something else. Even if I were, so what? You shouldn’t have to tiptoe about what you want to express just because I might get bugged by it (Say it Bosch!!! Say “Aha!!!! That’s PROOF!!! I KNEW you weren’t a Liberal!!!”).

But please, do keep up with,if not Stratfor, then at least the topics. I love that stuff.

ByteMe

June 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Bosch: I’m 46. When it was released, I thought The Blues Brothers and Kentucky Fried Movie were Landis’ better effort :) and it was a bit too derivative of American Werewolf in London (also Landis), but it sure did make everyone stop and consider what could be done with a music video with the right director and a little money.

It’s too bad that the music industry has since forgotten what they could do with talented musicians and a little money.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:16 pm

Hey @@–good to hear you think of me when I’m not around!

@@

June 26th, 2009
6:18 pm

Bosch:

This one is tailor-made for you.

Reading the comments, I have no doubt he touched the lives of many children but the likelihood that he harmed a select few is unacceptable.

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
6:19 pm

Paul,

Unless he gets asked about a bam-change in a presser. At that point he tells you that you must be crazy to not realize that was his position all along.

DebbieDoRight

June 26th, 2009
6:19 pm

Bosch: I used to work with adult mental retarded people and they were very similar. Their bodies became mature and they naturally developed physically sexually, but their minds were still that of a five year old. They didn’t know how to deal with their physical bodies. I think it is very obvious looking at Jackson over the years that is exactly what happened to him.

I can agree with you to a certain extent but I think MJ knew EXACTLY how to work what he’d been given. I remember during the Bashir interview when he stated that it was so hard for him growing up on the road and always being surrounded by adults and never having anyone his own age to interact with. I remember my friend commenting on that by saying, “Oh, how sad, poor Michael”; but then I pointed out to her that when MJ was a kid, he traveled with his 4 other brothers, one of which, Marlon, is only 14 months older than he was. He NEVER traveled with just himself and adults!!! But he’s said that lie so many times, that just like the republicans saying that Saddam was behind 9/11; people started to believe it and didn’t disassociate the obvious facts and truths from his contrived alterations.

Also I don’t think Joe Jackson, (father), was a particularly brutal man. He was a man who was raising 6 boys who he was trying to keep off the streets and out of prison and out of the steel mills that he worked in. He wanted something better for them than what he had and he was determined that they wouldn’t end up like so many other young boys from their neighborhood. Sure he might’ve smacked him a couple of times; but, growing up in a house where kids got smacked around, didn’t hurt any of the other kids Joe raised. I think Michael played that “I’m so sensitive” card to the iiitth degree. He was very aware of everything he did and/or said in public; and how the public would react to it. The only time he was wrong about public reaction and opinion was during the Bashir interview, (when he mentioned sleeping with young boys).

MJ was, after all, the consummate performer; he knew how to play a crowd.

DebbieDoRight

June 26th, 2009
6:25 pm

Paul: “should those who held Palin and her supporters accountable or ridiculed them for her abstinence talk when her daughter got pregnant, also hold Rep Conyers accountable and ridicule him for his political morality talk, since his politician wife was engaged in criminal activity and violating a public trust and has been convicted?

The answer to that is NO. Why? Because Palin was responsible for her underaged daughter’s actions, (legally), and Conyer’s wife as an adult, is responsible for her OWN actions.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:28 pm

RW-(the original)

too true! More fodder for Stewart.

I looked around a bit after the last news conference (not the infomercial) to see what major outlets did any kind of his analysis of his “I’ve always taken this position on Iran – nothing took me so long” answer.

Care to guess which one looked at the record and analyzed? Hint: it isn’t one of the ones with the ‘most favorable stories’ rating by Pew.

TnGelding

June 26th, 2009
6:30 pm

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
5:23 pm

Thanks for the new word! Not that I’ll ever be able to use it.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
6:31 pm

Debbie Do Right

HOLY YOU KNOW WHAT!!

I had never seen that. Incredible. How old was he?

Bosch

I think you are probably right about MJ and think along the same lines myself. I’m a survivor too.

The old brick gym at my convent school had a genuine 50’s juke box.
I failed at every sport while MJ sang “I’ll be there”. (did better during the four weeks of folk dancing). Later, when the Zillettes
showed interest in boys, pierced ears and mall bangs, they got me listening again. Over 40 years and some tunes still make my feet tap,
my hips move or my shoulders hitch up. Sad in so very many ways.

Let’s all leave his kids alone.

Off topic, I hear Mr. G’s footsteps. Friday night steak night shall
proceed. Where there is love…..Mr. G usually is right in the middle of it!

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:32 pm

I’m going to go out on a limb here, but I personally find it rather vulgar (in the primary, denotative meaning of the word, not its connotative secondary meaning) the attack on the Palin daughter. We’re lucky in that our kids are better than we raised them, but that’s their doings, not ours. I know I nowhere near have lived up to the standards preached (and practiced) in my home environment, but that’s my doings and not theirs.

The rabid Obamistas are the worst of the lot in their gleeful Schadenfreude, completely oblivious to the demand of their hero that attacks on the family be foregone. They must have not gotten the memo.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:34 pm

ff topic, I hear Mr. G’s footsteps. Friday night steak night shall
proceed. Where there is love…..Mr. G usually is right in the middle of it!

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:34 pm

@@ and Debbie,

I’m not defending his actions at all. Sorry if you got that impression from me. My point was that, although I’m not a psychologist, nor play one on TV, it was pretty evident that he suffered from extreme arrested development and may not have known what was a normal relationship, or even what normal sex was. He created a false reality and lived in a completely unnatural world, but he was also surrounded by people who encouraged and enabled that world. I think that trial was probably so shocking to him that he never fully recovered physically from that. I used to work with a guy whose father took him to Neverland once, and knowing this guys parents the way I do, they probably would have LOVED to have MJ hit on their son-it’s like winning the lottery for some. Sick, yes, but there are sick people in the world. This guy was pretty messed up because of his parents, but is now a great dad and a normal, healthy adult.

Like I said, it’s easy to try and frame Jackson as this and that, when you compare him to normal people, in normal situations, but I feel that Jackson NEVER lived in a normal environment. And also, like I said, he’s a case study for so many things that is just so wrong.

Kayaker 71

June 26th, 2009
6:35 pm

Debbie,

What a crock!! When it meets your needs, you will put down most anyone who disagrees with you. Conyers is a US Congressman who has a crook for a wife. She faces time in the joint for what she did. Don’t you see the difference???

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:37 pm

OOPS–story of my half-a**ed day!

Mrs. Godzilla

Off topic, I hear Mr. G’s footsteps. Friday night steak night shall
proceed. Where there is love…..Mr. G usually is right in the middle of it!

Was going to say, you lucky devil, you…the Unmentionable had to work today so I’ll be lucky to get a sack of Krystals!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:38 pm

Hi DDR!

I’m interested. How, exactly, are parents legally responsible for their underage daughters becoming pregnant? What are the legal consequences and how are parents held to account?

What about not legal? What about the idea kids are gonna go off on their own tangents, especially when they’re 16 or 17? You’re saying all parents should be judged, if not as a matter of law, than as a matter of principle, for what their teenagers do, even if they’ve been taught correct principles?

Then there’s the idea that an adult picks a spouse, a companion, and while he or she has definitely not raised that person, they should have insight to that person’s basic moral character (unless the person’s a complete psycho whacko). Are you saying a politician who makes moral condemnations of others (Conyers) should not be even questioned about their own ability to judge character when someone they’ve aligned themselves with commits criminal acts?

Kayaker 71

June 26th, 2009
6:40 pm

Enough already!!! So the little pedophile is dead. A victim of his own devices. I am just about as tired of hearing about this freak show as I am about Chris beating up his girlfriend. Does it ever end??

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
6:43 pm

Conyers, the wife of powerful Democratic congressman U.S. Rep. John Conyers pleads guilty to conspiracy She faces up to 5 years in prison

Defrauding the government, cheating on your wife.

Cheating on your wife, defrauding the government.

Hmmmmmmm.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:43 pm

And Debbie,

I remember that interview, they were playing clips of it last night on CNN, and also in that interview he said something along the lines of “well, wouldn’t you sleep with a child who needed love?” And the interviewer, obviously shocked said, “No, I wouldn’t.” Well, yeah, duh, what normal person would?

That’s my point that he wasn’t normal. What person in their right mind would say something like that in an interview? I don’t think he knew what normal was. Obviously in many cases – I think he totally loathed himself physically, hence all the plastic surgeries, and I thought it was odd that he tried to buy the bones of the Elephant Man, he probably related to that guy in alot of ways — he probably didn’t think of himself as human either. Was that ego? Yeah, probably, but it was also probably just because he lived in such an abnormal reality.

Seek and ye shall Find

June 26th, 2009
6:43 pm

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:44 pm

josef nix

Nicely said. When people comment me on ‘what a good job blah blah blah’ based upon my kids’ character and accomplishments, I usually shrug and say sometimes I wonder what gene pool they came from. Nothing’s ever said about the one that didn’t turn out so well…. even if they have made tremendous progress in the last few years.

I think environment has, at best, a fifty percent influence. Genes, I think, have a greater pull than many care to admit. Of course, that has extreme implications for the ‘free will’ crowd and how we view people with addictions and in less than fortunate circumstances, but that is definitely NOT a topic for this time on a Friday!

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
6:44 pm

Paul,

Before your convo with DDR gets too far off the track the legal age of consent in Alaska is 16 unless the older partner is in some sort of control position. (and for the sickos around here that doesn’t mean bondage)

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:46 pm

Kayaker,

This IS a thread about Michael Jackson like it or not, so if you don’t want to see discussions about him, it’s pretty obvious that you don’t have to, or join another tangent conversation. K?

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:47 pm

Hehehehe.

RW said “control position” and “bondage.” What’d ya’ expect from a werewolf.

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
6:47 pm

Geez…the Dems are so worried about their cap and trade vote they pulled Patrick Kennedy out of rehab to vote. Good thing he’s taking his rehab seriously. Maybe he can be on the next freak show with Dr. Drew.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:47 pm

Bosch

When I saw that I thought he was pretty clueless of the sense the questioner was using “sleeping with.” He easily coulda meant, quite literally, sleeping.

Farrah Fawcett – not the icon, but so many more pleasant memories.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:50 pm

RW

That’s good to know. But I hope it doesn’t get off track (why do people get stuff off track when they don’t want to answer, as happened in the prior thread?) with the daughter, as the original question was about those who piled on Palin for what a family member did that conflicted with her political, moral pronouncements, and will they do the same with Conyers?

I’m getting a clue… it’s vague… nebulous… coming into focus…

Nope, I don’t think they will!

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:50 pm

Paul,

Farrah. Charlie’s Angels….the hair. Yeah. Okay, Friday night poll question:

What guy DIDN’T have the Farrah Fawcett poster? Even my 69 year old dad had one on the back of his bathroom back in the day.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:51 pm

PAUL–interesting you should bring up free will. My grandfather, the Maimonidean, always added the caveat to the philosopher’s emphasis on free will–”yes, but free will itself is dependent on what is at one’s disposal to exercise that free will.”

My own father suffered from “le malaise juif,” gambling. I know better than to go near a casino, my brother and sister could both go, set their limits on spending, and leave with win/loss and no ill effects. Perhaps I have the “gene” since we all three come from the same environment,

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:51 pm

Who is this Conyers you speak of?

Paul

June 26th, 2009
6:51 pm

Bosch

[[RW said “control position” and “bondage.” What’d ya’ expect from a werewolf.]]

If that’s in book 4 I’m not sure I wanna read it -

Seek and ye shall Find

June 26th, 2009
6:53 pm

I recall seeing a response on the Conyers question from DebbieDoRight.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
6:53 pm

Paul,

No worries, it’s not, but there IS a werewolf, several of ‘em. And they’re bad asses.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:53 pm

PAUL–no, they don’t. Sauce for the goose being sauce for the gander is an entirely alien concept.

@@

June 26th, 2009
6:54 pm

Bosch:

So far your focus has been on Michael Jackson, his father and the irresponsible parents of the children who were subjected to Michael.

Nothing about “the children” other than Michael’s, that is.

You want to nurture, condemn and make excuses for adults only???

I find you strange.

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
6:54 pm

Bosch,

I didn’t, but I looked all over for a poster with Jaclyn Smith posed like that.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
6:58 pm

Okay, ladies and us who share your interest in the male gender…who di YOU have posters of? Mine, David Cassidy…bad, bad teenage crush on him…