Revolution in Iran goes underground, but continues

From the Voice of America:

“A senior Iranian cleric has called on the government to punish the leaders of the country’s post-election protests cruelly and without mercy.

In a sermon at Tehran University on Friday, Ahmad Khatami described the demonstrators as rioters who wage war against God (”moharem”), a crime in Islamic law, punishable by death.

He also accused foreign journalists of instigating the protests.

Meanwhile, the relatives of citizens detained by authorities sent a letter to the head of Iran’s judiciary, Ayatollah Shahrudi, and Parliamentary Speaker Ali Larijani, expressing concern for the detainees’ well-being. The letter says they are concerned the detainees, who include prominent reformist politicians, are being pressured to confess to crimes. Iranian authorities have arrested hundreds of people since the election.

… Defeated presidential candidate and reformist leader Mir Hossein Mousavi vowed on Thursday to resist pressure to end his challenge of the election outcome. He also urged supporters to continue protests in a way that will not create tension.

The Washington Post quoted Khatami as saying “I want the judiciary to . . . punish leading rioters firmly and without showing any mercy to teach everyone a lesson. … They should be punished ruthlessly and savagely.”

The good news, what there is of it, is that turmoil apparently continues within Iran’s ruling elite. Another top cleric, Grand Ayatollah Nasser Makarem-Shirazi, yesterday talked of the need for national reconciliation, an approach that would seem to imply some negotiation or concession from the government.

“Definitively, something must be done to ensure that there are no embers burning under the ashes, and (to ensure) that hostilities, antagonism and rivalries are transformed into amity and cooperation among all parties,” he said.

And according to the BBC, 290 members of the Iranian Parliament were invited to join a “victory celebration” in honor of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Only 105 showed up.

In other words, while outward expressions of dissent in Iran have been crushed through violence, it’s not over and may not be over for years. The structure of power has cracked, even if it has not yet fallen.

114 comments Add your comment

Brad Steel

June 26th, 2009
12:04 pm

Someone cue the Whiner for a stupid cynical comment…

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:07 pm

I wonder what “We shall overcome” is in their language? Just askin’…

Redneck Convert

June 26th, 2009
12:16 pm

Well, if they had a Supreme Court over there, they could rule that Amanutjob won the election and that would be that. It worked over here, it ought to work over there. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
12:19 pm

“I wonder what “We shall overcome” is in their language? Just askin’…”

ما بايد غلبه بر

ty webb

June 26th, 2009
12:19 pm

Anybody remember the great political scientist Tim Robbins, during the run up to the Iraq war, at a press conference, stating that a chilling force is sweeping the US stifling dissent. Did I mention he said this at a press conference. There were microphones there to record and play his words for all the nation to hear. Many media sources covered his speech. Well, in light of the current situation in Iran, all that sounds pretty ridiculous now…doesn’t it?

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:25 pm

Doggone: Thanks! We should make tee shirts…just sayin’

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
12:27 pm

Normal and Doggone … you guys should go into business!! (and how very appropriate that quote is, Normal – good one!)

Normal – I also replied downstairs about the general public’s relationships with the military :-)

@@

June 26th, 2009
12:28 pm

Just like here in the U.S., ain’t it?

The power struggle takes place within the ruling elite.

Nothing new.

getalife

June 26th, 2009
12:28 pm

They have some Tehran Tims like Baghdad Bob spewing nonsense blaming the CIA for Neda. The world have seen the Iranian people fight for civil rights and the regime showing their true colors.

The world sided with the Iranian people and perhaps they should study the civil rights movements in our country.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:31 pm

USinUK…I saw and I thanked you!

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
12:32 pm

“you guys should go into business!! ”

All thanks to an online Persian-English translator!

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
12:32 pm

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:37 pm

Non-violent civil disobedience should be their method. Remember in Birmingham Ala., Police Chief Bull came down on Martin’s demonstrators like a ton of bricks and those pictures showed the nation how it really was and ended up helping the civil rights movement win…

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:39 pm

USinUK: a little about Bob-Thank you. I put it my favorites…

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
12:42 pm

“Non-violent civil disobedience should be their method”

All that is true…BUT, in Birmingham it was a bit harder for the Police Chief’s white officers to pretend to be violent demonstrators. In Iran they can get away with it…they, so to speak, blend in better.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
12:44 pm

Normal –

“Remember in Birmingham Ala., Police Chief Bull came down on Martin’s demonstrators like a ton of bricks and those pictures showed the nation how it really was and ended up helping the civil rights movement win…”

I agree wholeheartedly – which is why Obama’s statement that the whole world is watching resonated so well.

again, 70% of the Iranian population is under 30 and educated. the majority of their university population is women. those are NOT demographics that have the democratic bit in their teeth – the rule of the mullahs will not stand much longer.

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
12:45 pm

Well, if they had a Supreme Court over there, they could rule that Amanutjob won the election and that would be that. It worked over here, it ought to work over there. Have a good p.m. everybody.

You are most certainly correct. The Supremes did rule that a nut job was to be our president.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
12:45 pm

heading home for the night … then packing for VACATION!!! (woowoo!!)

see you guys in a week … I’ve left food in the fridge … no wild parties

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
12:46 pm

The structure of power has cracked

Yeah, cracked some heads.

Dream on bookman, Nothing has come of this, Evin prison is still bustling, women will still be buried in the ground and stoned to death, Imawhackjob will be taunting Obozo mercilessly.

This is what you call a start?

eewwww

clyde

June 26th, 2009
12:51 pm

Update on Neda.
The Iranis have blamed her murder on a British Journalist whom they kicked out of the country.They are trying to make her a martyr for the government’s cause.Her family has been evicted from their home.The government has apparently buried her in an unknown location.Her family was forbidden to mourn her publicly.I’ve picked up this info on several sites the past few days.How much is true I don’t know for sure.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
12:52 pm

“the rule of the mullahs will not stand much longer.”

But they won’t go quietly either.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:53 pm

AW USinUK, that’s no fun….gee!

Normal

June 26th, 2009
12:54 pm

BRUTUS! Welcome back…

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
12:54 pm

“Her family has been evicted from their home”
“Her family was forbidden to mourn her publicly”

I’ve seen these 2, at least, reported in several places.

“They are trying to make her a martyr for the government’s cause”

I don’t think it’s going to work. They’ve already lost control of the story.

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
1:04 pm

I know that I would not want to be one of the infamous 185. Dissidents! Every one of them. And, blasphemers for speaking out against the leaders. Much like the way people here spoke out against Bush. I guess it is a good thing that we don’t have a bunch of religious whack jobs in charge here. Otherwise… .

Joey

June 26th, 2009
1:11 pm

Did Sarah Palin really say when speaking to the Alaskan National Guard and in response to Kerry’s disappearing governor joke:
“John, why the long face?”

Now that is humor.

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
1:15 pm

Normal

June 26th, 2009
1:16 pm

The Iranis have blamed her murder on a British Journalist whom they kicked out of the country.
—————————-
Why are they blaming the Brits? Seem to me, they would blame the CIA.

Wide Mouth for Andy

June 26th, 2009
1:18 pm

This reminds me of when I threw my feces at a cop car during a Bush protest, they cops didn’t trample me but they did say ew.

I was a little lib hero for a day.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
1:19 pm

“Seem to me, they would blame the CIA.”

No…the CIA started the demonstrations, remember? /snark

I Report (-: You Whine )-:

June 26th, 2009
1:28 pm

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak “frankly” of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming “the worst scientific scandal in history.” Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the “new religion.” A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

The collapse of the “consensus” has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth’s temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.-WallStreetJournal

So what is Obozp doing? Fixing to wreck the US economy just like we said he would.

Real

June 26th, 2009
1:34 pm

So, any further questions naming Iran, Iraq and North Korea as the “axis of evil” in 2002? Extending a hand to these nations seems to only get it mauled…

And we all recognize that the global war on terror is dead; it’s now termed by PresBO as “overseas contingency operations”. And enemy combatants” are also now called “persons” whom the president “has the authority to detain.”

PresBO’s new terms and definitions related to taxes and redistribution of wealth are equally a hoot!!!

Yup, change we can believe in….

Normal

June 26th, 2009
1:39 pm

I threw my feces …I hope you washed your hands before you ate anything…just sayin’

ILG

June 26th, 2009
1:39 pm

And you believe something that Inhofe says?

Normal

June 26th, 2009
1:41 pm

Brutus…Please explain to me how the global warming argument has anything to do with wreaking the economy…I don’t get it…Just askin’…

mike

June 26th, 2009
1:42 pm

I think that having a democracy in Iraq has helped encourage this revolution, as the neocons predicted. I also think that Obama’s posture towards Iran so far has also encouraged this revolution and history might look at at the Bush and Obama administrations as the best bad cop-good cop routine of all time.

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
1:43 pm

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
1:51 pm

Brutus…Please explain to me how the global warming argument has anything to do with wreaking the economy…I don’t get it…Just askin’…

For someone capable of offering a logical explanation, I would be tempted to say “Well, this should be interesting.” Then again, if this someone were able to offer a logical explanation, then would we have ever reached this point. I think not.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
1:52 pm

Wow. Have y’all heard? Michael Jackson died.

mm

June 26th, 2009
1:54 pm

Whiner,

What happened to your prediction that the northern US would not have a summer this year? Does 90 – 100 degrees count as summer in your “mind”?

Pennsylvanian

June 26th, 2009
1:54 pm

Normal – I think he said wreck the economy? Referring to the Cap and Trade bill that will cost about $1B.

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
1:56 pm

Welcome back, Rip Van Bosch. :smile:

Pennsylvanian

June 26th, 2009
1:57 pm

Oops, sorry, make that about $1 TRILLION.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
1:58 pm

Tacky, Luckovich, tacky.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
1:59 pm

Pennsylvanian

June 26th, 2009
1:57 pm
—————–
I still don’r get it. If there is no global warming, why do we need cap and trade? So confusin’…

Normal

June 26th, 2009
1:59 pm

Michael Jackson, who?

getalife

June 26th, 2009
1:59 pm

Mike’s on CNN pimping his toons.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm

Just a little aside about Michael Jackson…I always thought that any skinny little dude who ran around with one glove on and sang “Beat it” just had to be weird. Is it just me?

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm

The Iraq war is costing us about a trillion and all we got out of that is a bunch of dead people and reinforcement of a bad reputation for being an imperialist nation. At least something like Cap and Trade actually deals with things closer to home and it may even help with little things over the long haul like job creation and a cleaner environment and less dependence on foreign oil. Then again, if the Republicans consider those to be bad things, maybe they could offer up some better alternatives.

mm

June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm

For you undereducated neocons – Cap and trade has been in effect for years. Obama is just tightening the cap. If you don’t use all of your emission credits, you can sell them. If you run out, you can buy them from someone else. Bottom line, the amount of polution being allowed is being lowered 17 percent by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050. Stop listening to the morons.

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
2:04 pm

Just a little aside about Michael Jackson…I always thought that any skinny little dude who ran around with one glove on and sang “Beat it” just had to be weird. Is it just me?

I would not even try to beat that logic.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
2:08 pm

“Tacky, Luckovich, tacky”

If you go back and read the comments on the blog about Michael Jackson you’ll see that it’s simply a reflection of the mixed attitudes about him and his life.

ByteMe

June 26th, 2009
2:08 pm

“Does the federal government really need to know our phone numbers?” she asked. “Do they really need to know, like you said, the date and time that we leave mental stability?”

Thank you, Michele Bachmann. Can’t explain it to us any better than that.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
2:08 pm

getalife,

You beat me to it! I wrote that about Luckovich being tacky – looked over at the TV, and there he was!! Weird.

Welcome back? Well, I have been over in my parallel universe looking for my socks and just got back to hear the news.

No, Normal, it wasn’t just you. And I always chuckled when he was singing about being “Bad.”

Seriously, no joking aside, the news coverage I’ve seen just reaffirmed what I’ve always thought about him: that he was a sad and lonely individual who probably never had a true friend, was most likely horribly abused by his parents, and lived in an altered state of reality. He suffered from severe arrested development and was a five year old living in a 50 year old body, who identified with the Elephant Man more than himself or as a human being for that matter. It’s really sad.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
2:08 pm

NORMAL–Hey and how’s it goin’…got a weekend which, if not exactly off, is on my own terms!

Two quickies–why the Brits? The Brit-Persian animosity goes back to the power struggles over the region when oil first came in…the Germans had preference with the Ottoman’s and following the breakup of the Empire after WWI Britain took over the German interests and became the patrons of the creation of the Iraqi state and then went maneuvering around Persia…really a complicated set of affairs, but the Americans were really late comers to the exploitation game in the area…

Don’t know Farsi, so cannot coment on the actual translation you’ve got, but I CAN tell you you had best be REAL careful with these machine translations! One of my co-workers and I have a collection of some of the more outstanding ones which have crossed our desks, perfectly innocent communications in English which, well, gain something in the translation. “We are obligated to inform you that your child must have five a**holes before September 1,,,” “We are bothered that your child may become frigid,,,,” “I have been sexually aroused to have your child in my class…”

Ripped Lees, Believe it or Not

June 26th, 2009
2:09 pm

WASHINGTON – House Democrats narrowly won a key test vote Friday and pushed for passage of sweeping legislation designed to combat global warming and usher in a new era of cleaner energy. Republicans said the bill included the largest tax increase in American history.

And, all this time, I was thinking that it was the Iraq war and the prescription drug benefit and the Ag bill that each amounted to the biggest tax increase in history. What was I thinking!

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
2:10 pm

Make that “joking aside” not “no joking aside.”

mm

June 26th, 2009
2:15 pm

Wingnuts, please review the Clean Air Act of 1977.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:16 pm

Hey Bosch!

[[Wow. Have y’all heard? Michael Jackson died.]]

He did? When?!!?

[[rip van bosch]]

that was good, snort….

Luckovich was just on CNN over his cartoon. Dang, you’d think the guy was a conservative cartoonist!

But back to on-topic:

Khatami: “They should be punished ruthlessly and savagely.”

This should illustrate well enough the mindset with which we’re dealing. And answer those who, when confronted with Islamic barbarity, do the grasping, knee-jerk ‘oh yeah? well, what about that guy who shot the abortion doctor, huh? what about him?’ or ‘hey, those homophobe fundamentalist Christians protest at funerals…they’re Christian, right?”

We get a few aberrant nutcases who may or may not self identify as Christian, while a leading Muslim cleric calls for brutal repression. Savagely and ruthlessly. No Christian counterpart – say, the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury.. or even the head of the Southern Baptist Convention comes within a chasm of matching that. Nope, those clerics are a 10th century mindset in a 21st century world.

It took Khomeni over a year to topple the Shah. Let’s hope the resistance beats the record.

rcs

June 26th, 2009
2:18 pm

Bosch @ 2:08.

Well said.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
2:18 pm

Josef Good your here. I’ve got to work tomorrow. My boss seems to think the customer is alway right so of course, I’m his fall guy. I hope it’s only eight hours tomorrow versus the ten today…Just sayin’

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:20 pm

Normal

A continuing frustration: cap n trade is a ’solution’ to the effects of climate change. As far as I can tell, it’s the only solution the gov’t has advanced. And it is a huge tax and a megabucks profit windfall for special interests and rich investors.

And the tax aspect – has our Democratic Congress and President, who have learned soooo much from the failures of Republicans, taken steps to fence off this tax so it will be used only for pollution control items and not use it as a big candy jar, as happened with, say, Social Security or Highway Funds?

You’re probably having trouble reading from laughing so hard so I’ll stop for now.

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 26th, 2009
2:21 pm

Tyranny will crush that little rebellion. Barry has no balls, so he will let them go on and build the nukes to take out Isreal. Carter gave the Chinamen the technology to build long range missles. Democrats basically are as bizarre as Mike Jackson!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:24 pm

Bosch

Your 2:08 – that was really, really good.

Did you really write it?

:-)

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 26th, 2009
2:25 pm

Normal, your comments, as usual, are inane; please go ask you boss if she has more work for you. But then you are probably union, and can’t do any USEFUL work. Please just go home and watch Thriller videos all night, watching your favorite child molester dance.

Scooter

June 26th, 2009
2:26 pm

Normal @ 2:02 pm,
No! It’s not just you.

Kayaker 71

June 26th, 2009
2:28 pm

And then we hear from ” a high placed source in the Obama administration” that they are “closely following events as they unfold”. That oughta to it. There is not a single Muslim run country in this world that is not ruthlessly subjecting their citizens to that dogmatic crap that Muslimland produces, either from some “cleric” or from some hack like the president of Iran who is his whipping boy. It’s like trying to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t speak your language. Power, control of oil revenue and strict control of the citizenry in the name of some damn “religion” that preaches killing everyone who doesn’t agree with you. And there are 9M of these folks in the US and the number is growing. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, don’t it?

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
2:30 pm

NORMAL–Hey, if you’re on for 10 hour days, I hope you’re union! When the APS went to calling itself on an international level, I figured up the hours I worked versus the pay (I’m salaried)…came out we were international all right, and I am paid right up there with Albania and Morocco…the Ole Missus down to the Big House on Pryor Street wasn’t too impressed!

Scooter

June 26th, 2009
2:31 pm

mm @ 2:02 pm,
What is cap-and-trade? I went to ask.com and I still don’t understand exactly.

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 26th, 2009
2:32 pm

Well said Kayaker! You will be persecuted for stating the truth on this blog, but the truth shall not be supressed!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:33 pm

Normal

[[My boss seems to think the customer is alway right]]

You need to have someone come in and say to your boss “I was really ticked off and ready to stop doing business with you but Normal fixed it. You need to give him a big raise, right now!”

‘course my favorite is (repeat alert!) is the woman at the counter pitching a fit, behind the counter was all the workers, boss came out, heard the one side to the story, yelled over to a kid (okay, young guy) at a desk (so much for praise in public, correct in private) and started chewing him out and the guy just said “what do you expect for six bucks an hour?”

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 26th, 2009
2:34 pm

Scooter It’s a tax, nothing more, nothing less. It’s how Barry is going to redistribute wealth!

TW

June 26th, 2009
2:34 pm

“And there are 9M of these folks in the US and the number is growing.”

Gladly keep them and the Mexicans if you can find away to export the meth head white redneck trash, of which there are way more than 9 million.

Bosch

June 26th, 2009
2:35 pm

Paul,

Yes! I did! Surprised?

My dad had surgery this morning, so I’m drained and I’m about to take a nap, but I wanted to say one more thing about MJ because I totally missed the thread yesterday and let’s face it, this Iran topic has played out a bit:

It’s easy to call Michael Jackson a pedophile, because in all likelihood, he was. At least by the letter of the law. But I seriously do not think that he knew that sleeping with 13 year olds was wrong because I do not feel he was sexually mature enough or emotionally mature enough to know the difference. His whole life, he was surrounded by people who wanted money from him and those who would extort him and his emotional disabilities because they knew they could. And let’s face it, any parent who would put their child in that situation is just as retarded. I feel he did not ever really realize what is right or wrong – yes, some would argue that’s just natural to figure out the difference, but I don’t think he lived in a natural world — ever.

I used to work with adult mental retarded people and they were very similar. Their bodies became mature and they naturally developed physically sexually, but their minds were still that of a five year old. They didn’t know how to deal with their physical bodies. I think it is very obvious looking at Jackson over the years that is exactly what happened to him.

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
2:37 pm

PAUL–used to my mama whenever she had a problem would call and, ever so sweetly in her lyrical drawl, say, “ma’am, I don’t mean to seem nosey, but unless you make over x number of dollars an hour, you may want to pass me on to the last superior who gave you a hard time…” Amazing, the customer service she’d get at first contact…!

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
2:37 pm

“What is cap-and-trade?”

In it’s simplest form: you have a factory that produces 50 tons of pollutants…so you buy cap-and-trade allowances for that amount. Then you updgrade your factory and now you’re only producing 30 tons. So you can sell the allowance for the extra 20 tons to some other factory that needs them.

How it works to reduce pollution, is that at whatever set interval is decided, the number of allowances per year is reduced. If you can’t buy enough to cover what you produce, you either have to upgrade or pay a penalty (usually).

The advantage is that it encourages businesses to upgrade, because they can then sell their excess allowances to help cover the cost of the upgrade.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:39 pm

Hey Scooter

Go to treehugger dot com at http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/05/cap-and-trade-explained-video.php

and watch the video Cap and trade explained in under four minutes

So you’ve got the gov’t creating a secondary market wherein insiders and hedge funds and all the rest can profit off a pollution tax scheme.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

Hey, does this sound like a //for profit// health care system all over again? Liberals? Hello?

Kayaker 71

June 26th, 2009
2:42 pm

Bosch,

Sleeping with 13 yr olds is still out there on the edge. And emotionally immature or not, he was smart enough to know the difference. If he was not MJ, he would probably be in jail and be a registered sex offender. But money does wonders with those accused of this sort of crime. 22M to settle that last case.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
2:43 pm

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 26th, 2009
2:25 pm
—————
Thank You GANDALF: Coming from you that was a compliment…Just sayin’

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
2:43 pm

BOSCH–trust and pray your dad is doing well. Your last comment struck a chord with me. We have our special children at school and, being an elementary environment, we already have our handsful with the general hormone rush, but at least we have ways of dealing with it since they do have a vague notion of what’s going on, but our special children are so unprepared and we live in fear for them being taken advantage of

Normal

June 26th, 2009
2:44 pm

Josef: Not union, but I get the overtime…YippY

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
2:45 pm

“But money does wonders with those accused of this sort of crime. 22M to settle that last case.”

Well…you can now erase it from your list of “things to worry about” because he’s DEAD.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
2:48 pm

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:33 pm
—————-
When working as a supervisor in a past job, I took a phone call from an irate female customer who tore up on side of me and down the other. When she paused for breath, I said, “Wow! That was good for me, was it good for you too?” There was a startled gasp, then she laughed. After that, we got the problem solved. Are you listening Gandalf, Brutus?

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:52 pm

Off topic notice.

Lessee. Sarah Palin’s open for criticism ’cause she preached abstinence teaching and all that morality stuff and her daughter got pregnant. So she got criticized and held to account and generally lambasted.

Got it.

So. Democratic Congressman John Conyers, he of Judiciary Committee fame, who has been a leading proponent of morality in government, trying to impeach Bush and generally showing no tolerance for those evil Republicans who violated the public trust and (I’ll just insert ‘etc’ here).

Well, seems he’s married. To Monica (calm down, different Monica) who was President of the Detroit City Council.

Ms Conyers “pleaded guilty this morning to conspiring to commit bribery in connection with the wide-ranging probe of wrongdoing at Detroit city hall.

She has long been under suspicion in the Synagro Technologies bribery probe, not least because she had been a vocal opponent of the contract before suddenly switching her sentiments. She became the deciding voice in the city council’s 5-4 vote to approve the sludge-hauling deal in November 2007.

“This is not the beginning and it is certainly not the end, folks,” FBI Special Agent in Charge Andy Arena said at a news conference this morning.

U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn said, “The defendant now stands convicted.”

So, which of the Palin pummelers wants to go first?

josef nix

June 26th, 2009
2:53 pm

I am not at all out to defend MJ and his sexual perversions, but this IS a two-way street. I was an early maturer and walking jail bait. I knew what I was doing…I wasn’t the only one either. The double standard was there. My girlfriends who may well have consented to a night between the sheets with an older male partner were victims of molestation, my gay male peers who had an experience with an older partner were victims of the worst possible terminologies and yet, my straight male friends who bedded an older female spoke of it with pride, a pride buttressed by more than a few daddies, bragging “that’s my boy…” Jus’ sayin..

david wayne osedach

June 26th, 2009
2:58 pm

The revolution will foment underground. When the internet is restored Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Power will find themselves criticized in the daily news. Change will come.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
3:01 pm

“but this IS a two-way street.”

Sure it is…and it is for women too. If an older man marries a younger woman, he’s envied, but if an older woman marries a younger man she’s “robbing the cradle”

Someone once speculated that as far a libido goes, the ideal marriage is a 20 year old man and a 40 year old woman!

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:02 pm

Josef: Yeah, I lost my virginity to an older woman at 15. She was a bored Army wife and I was a willing student. It may be called abuse today, but back then I sure didn’t think so…Just reminiscin’

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:04 pm

Paul

June 26th, 2009
2:52 pm
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Hang ‘em ….the meanies…

Scooter

June 26th, 2009
3:05 pm

Doggone @ 2:37 pm,
Is C&T for pollutants only or can it apply to what Gandalf said about being a tax and apply to lots of things? Thanks to you and Gandalf for answering!

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:06 pm

Normal

I don’t think I’m gonna get many takers from the Palin pummelers…..

Tells you something, doesn’t it?

getalife

June 26th, 2009
3:10 pm

Paul,

We just got rid of one con idiot guv from Texas and do not need another one to destroy our country.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
3:12 pm

“Is C&T for pollutants only or can it apply to what Gandalf said about being a tax and apply to lots of things?”

It’s a system…it can be applied to almost anything.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:13 pm

getalife

Conyers is a lib. From Michigan.

What’s good for the gander….

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:15 pm

getalife

Let me clarify: I was not referring to those who have a political difference with her. I was addressing those who attacked Palin because of her ‘morality’ views and then when her daughter violated those tenets, attacked.

So I asked if any of the attackers was going to go after Conyers with equal vehemence? Regardless of his politics?

It would not appear so -

Normal

June 26th, 2009
3:15 pm

PAUL: I make fun of Sarah, just because it is so darned easy to do, just like I make fun of some of the bloggers (you know who you are, hehe), for the same reason. BUT (big but) I said downstairs that if Ron Paul had made the cut and Sarah was his running mate, I would still would have voted for him.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:21 pm

Normal,

Well, you obviously are not one of the Palin pummelers for reasons other than policy.

Bless their little hearts, I guess they weren’t judging her or calling her to task for her family and using that as a big reason to criticize anyone who would vote for her. Well ya, sure, they were just misunderstood, don’tcha’ know?

Kamchak

June 26th, 2009
3:30 pm

Let’s see:

Sarah Palin, Alaskan Gov., Vice Presidential candidate
Monica Conyers, Detroit City Council member wife of John Conyers Congressman

Not exactly an apples=apples comparison when you want to judge John Conyers for what his wife did and Palin’s critics judge her by what SHE did.

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
3:31 pm

Paul – Careful there. When @@ comes back, you’re gonna get the lecture about Staying On Jay’s Topic (see downstairs).

Paul

June 26th, 2009
3:42 pm

Kamchak

If you’ll reread the posts, I was specifically referring to what her daughter did. Bumped up against Gov Palin’s morality pronouncements. Then drew that comparison with Rep Conyers.

You’re correct, it’s not exactly apples = apples, as we don’t get to pick our kids or always have that big an influence in their decisions. But we do pick our spouses.

GayGrayGeek

I know, I know…. I even tried to immunize myself with the ‘off topic’ notice… but really, we have an agreement…

I don’t say anything about her Stratfor posts (’cause I really like them) and she doesn’t say much about my off topic posts (’cause she secretly enjoys them).