More carnage in Iraq as U.S. withdraws from cities

These are dangerous times in Iraq. From the AP, filed within the hour:

“BAGHDAD (AP) — A booby-trapped motorcycle loaded with nails and ball-bearings exploded in a crowded bazaar Friday in Baghdad, killing at least 15 people, Iraqi officials said. The attack struck just four days before the deadline for U.S. combat troops to withdraw from cities.

The wave of violence that has killed more than 200 people this week has raised fresh doubts about the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security as their American partners become less visible.

The explosion occurred just after 9 a.m. when the market was packed with young people buying or selling motorcycles in central Baghdad, according to police and hospital officials.

Ghaith Abdul-Allah, 35, was unloading motorcycles he planned to sell from his truck when the blast occurred.

“I saw a ball of fire and some motorbikes were lifted about 10 meters (yards) into the air,” he said. “When the smoke from the explosion vanished, I saw a large number of young men lying on the ground soaked in blood.”

… The escalation in violence is overshadowing Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s declaration of a “great victory” in the U.S. pullout from urban areas by Tuesday’s deadline. He has declared June 30 a national holiday to be marked with celebrations.”

Unfortunately, this spate of attacks had to be expected, and there’s not much to be done except ride them out. I doubt they’re occurring because of a real security vacuum created by our departure; those gaps in security will show over time, not all at once. Rather, it represents a coordinated campaign by terrorists to demonstrate their continued relevance at a high-profile moment in Iraq’s transition. They’re trying to send a political message to an Iraqi domestic audience that Maliki’s government is not as strong as it pretends to be.

The Iraqis want their country back, and we need to let them have it, for better or worse.

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DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
7:39 am

The Iraqis want their country back, and we need to let them have it, for better or worse.

Even if it isn’t really a “country” as such after we’ve withdrawn, which is likely to be the case.

Of course I really wonder if we’re ever going to really leave, or if every President for the next twenty years will find some horses— excuse to keep soldiers there.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
7:43 am

Not that it matters, but I’ve said from the beginning that by staying there we are just delaying the inevitable. It’s time to leave and let the Iraqi’s sort it out between themselves…

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
7:47 am

Way to go bookman, glorify a mindless act of violence, what does it take to load yourself up with tons of explosives and murder the innocent?

Maybe we should denounce this for what it is, a pathological act of depravity instead of giving them the propaganda and power that they seek from you?

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
7:53 am

“instead of giving them the propaganda and power that they seek from you?”

Don’t know much about the power of violence, do you?

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
7:54 am

glorify a mindless act of violence

Andy, you’re such a frigging liar, if there were anything to that preachy nonsense you claim to pray to, you would’ve been struck dead years ago.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
7:55 am

“instead of giving them the propaganda and power that they seek from you?”

haha … yeah … cuz everyone knows the AJC is the favorite reading of Iraqis everywhere.

halfwit.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
7:56 am

Normal – well said

DB, Gwinnettian

June 26th, 2009
7:57 am

halfwit.

An insult to all the decent, hard-working halfwits out there. Hang your head in shame.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
8:02 am

USinUK: Thank you. Coming from you, high praise, indeed.
__________
WHINER: Life must be easy for you now that you have distilled it into it’s simplest form. Hating everything and everybody…Must be nice…Just sayin’…

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:05 am

Gwinecian – LOL

Normal – please – I’m just trying to keep up with your standards! :-)

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
8:12 am

Don’t know much about the power of violence, do you?

These people strap bombs on children, they load up women with explosives, they turn the mentally challenged into robot bombs and they aim them at the innocent, so yeah, liberals, go right ahead and legitimize these sick acts of degeneracy as though they are some sort of heroism against “evil.”

What else would we expect from you?

We know which side you are on.

Corey

June 26th, 2009
8:13 am

We can’t stay there forever applying lipstick to that pig and never should have gone there in the first place. A short sighted venture borne of self-aggrandizement.

clyde

June 26th, 2009
8:15 am

It won’t take Iraq long to recede into the abyss after we leave them alone.Iran is waiting in the wings.It’ll be all over in a couple of months.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:18 am

oh, dear. someone seems to be off their meds today.

“liberals, go right ahead and legitimize these sick acts of degeneracy as though they are some sort of heroism against “evil.””

in whiner’s world, reporting something is the same as cheering it on.

Donovan

June 26th, 2009
8:18 am

Hmmm…let’s see. Iraq, bad war. A Republican war. Afghanistan, good war. A Democrat war. You won’t hear any bad stories coming from Bookman and his band of liberals about Obama’s Afghanistan. That empty suit will have this war cleaned up quicker than a Hollywood movie.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
8:21 am

The violence breaks my heart, but we must get out.

Ever seen the old Star Trek with the entity that fed on violence and hate? Andy reminds me of that.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
8:23 am

“What else would we expect from you?”

You REALLY don’t know much about the power of violence, do you?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
8:25 am

in whiner’s world, reporting something is the same as cheering it on.

I’m guessing that maybe these libs have not yet read the blog column-

These are dangerous times in Iraq.

If America suffered such an attack would the libs be penning columns that “these are dangerous times” in the US? (It’s an honest question, I suppose.)

Unbelievably, even the America hating Urinal managed to call 9/11 an “outrage.”

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
8:28 am

Iranian ambassador tells CNN CIA may have killed Neda.

Well, given our sordid history of meddling in other countries in order to secure access to oil reserves for oil companies and other such activities, why wouldn’t some people make such statements and have folks believe them. For all we know, it could well be true.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
8:30 am

When you think about it, the ratcheting up of the violence in Iraq could be an attempt by the Taliban/etc. to take pressure off of Afganistan. Two front wars are rarely won, and we seem to be making progress in Afganistan…
I hope we go full throttle on Afganistan and leave Iraq. Just supposin’

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
8:32 am

Unbelievably, even the America hating Urinal managed to call 9/11 an “outrage.”

Unbelievable in your little mind, you and your “Urinal” obsession or fetish or both. Yes, that’s believable.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:34 am

whiner –

gee. you’re right. right after 9/11, NO one reported the whole “orange alert” BS. NO one reported the “bottled water! duct tape! plastic sheeting!” NO one reported the shoe bomb, anthrax, no-liquids-on-airplanes scares.

I take the half-wit comment back. you don’t even achieve that.

Jo Atlanta

June 26th, 2009
8:34 am

We need to understand that we cannot police a civil war that is religious in nature. The war destabilized a bad regime, but provided nothing to replace it. Until there is a strong leadership, there will be no peace. The Iraqi extremists will continue to try to undermine the “other side” even though it hurts their own people. We cannot help them unless we are ready to step in and take over. We will not do that because we are “the good guys”.

Turd Ferguson

June 26th, 2009
8:36 am

Relapse friends. Our Lord and Saviour, Obama has a plan.

Wide stance Andy

June 26th, 2009
8:36 am

“Obama’s Afghanistan”
WOW!!! Detached from reality are we??? This boob doesn’t seem to understand we were attacked from Afghanistan soil, and the Republicans in charge of Afghanistan at the time refused to help us by handing over thier “guest”…

Go back to apologizing for your Republican Governor in SC, and quit supporting the Taliban…

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RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
8:37 am

and we seem to be making progress in Afganistan (sic)

I won’t be around to read the response and we’ll probably be several floors up when I get back, but I’d love to see that comment quantified in some detail.

Wide stance Andy

June 26th, 2009
8:40 am

So RW,
I guess we should fold up shop and exit Afghanistan? Can we put a “Mission Unaccomplished” banner on an Aircraft carrier, put Obama in a flight suit and have him swagger across the deck?

Er, we WERE actually attacked from Afghanistan soil, you’re intelligent enough to actually realize that.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
8:41 am

gee. you’re right. right after 9/11, NO one reported the whole “orange alert” BS. NO one reported the “bottled water! duct tape! plastic sheeting!” NO one reported the shoe bomb, anthrax, no-liquids-on-airplanes scares.

Taking all steps necessary to protect yourself from violence is glorifying it?

Is this all you got, stunt dummy?

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:44 am

“Taking all steps necessary to protect yourself from violence is glorifying it?”

oh, yeah. duct tape and plastic sheeting. THAT’s gonna save you. well argued, whiner.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:45 am

(quick … someone call him a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhmbulance)

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
8:45 am

And, here in America, we have folks like Sarah Palin going around during an election campaign trying to incite the same sort of violence with statements about pallin’ around with terrorists. Evil lurks in dark places and that woman is dark to even dare to make such a remark. It was calculated and cold and just as evil as the words used by others to incite acts of terrorism.

@@

June 26th, 2009
8:45 am

With al-Hakim, the U.S. and Iran’s go-to-guy in Iraq is on death’s door, it’s only gonna get worse, jay.

I’ve always thought that the draw-down should have centered around Iraq’s next election.

And wouldn’t you know, Iraq’s Shiites (Iran) have oil UNIONS mucking up the works from Basra.

Obama shouldn’t have used such “strong language” against the Iranian regime.

Pull out and watch the militants exploit. I can just hear them now…..”Obama never really cared about Muslims — his words didn’t matter.”

Obama needs to talk less. Stop showing his hand at the table.

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
8:47 am

Well, I certainly hope that whiner is not taking my critique as a personal attack. I simply offer fact over fiction.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
8:50 am

RW-(the original)

June 26th, 2009
8:37am
—————
You are right RW, I don’t have any special reports stating military sucesses, I just have a gut feeling. The Afgani’s seem to be taking matters into their own hands, if the reports are to be believed. We both agreed that the orders not to fire on civilians was probably not a good idea, because the Taliban will continue to use them as shields, but it is the very presence of our troops in the field and the knowledge of more coming that, I believe, is the explaination of the renewed violence in Iraq. Just supposin’…My opinion is all…Just sayin…

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
8:50 am

Turd lemonade…..

the little tart!

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
8:51 am

pssst … truth way out … the whinge-nut is talking about me … (wah-wah-waaaahhhhhhhh)

although, to be honest, I’m so used to his asinine post-and-move-on/refusing-to-engage M.O., I’m shocked that he’d actually deign to reply.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
8:53 am

Joe Matarotz

June 26th, 2009
8:58 am

Not for nothing, Jay, but I don’t think your opinion counts for anything here, and I don’t think you have demonstrated any qualifications to comment intelligently on what is going on in Irag. Just my 2 cents.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
9:00 am

Well, I certainly hope that whiner is not taking my critique as a personal attack. I simply offer fact over fiction.

What you are doing is called debate, I have no issues with that.

Parading my name around coupled with the phrase “wide stance,” entirely different subject.

mm

June 26th, 2009
9:01 am

Whiner,

Nevermind the crazy christians blowing up doctors and clinics, molesting kids, etc.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2009
9:02 am

“I don’t think you have demonstrated any qualifications to comment intelligently on what is going on in Irag.”

Ok…and what are YOUR qualifications for commenting here?

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:03 am

“I don’t think you have demonstrated any qualifications to comment intelligently on what is going on in Irag”

well. at least he spells it correctly.

and, frankly, unless someone is an expert in the middle east, has worked in the state department and/or has lived there, does ANYone have the qualifications to comment??? no.

this is a blog. we discuss things. things that we may not be expert on but affect our world, so we weigh in on them.

don’t like that? then don’t blog.

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:04 am

“Nevermind the crazy christians blowing up doctors and clinics, molesting kids, etc.”

Speaking of molesting kids…RIP MJ! :)

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
9:04 am

Truth @ 8:47 – Andy lives in His Own Special World. He’s a Veruca Salt on steroids, an 8-year-old brat who will gleefully walk into a room, poop in the middle of it, then shriek with a tantrum when told that doing so was Not A Good Idea.

And, as with all such 8-year-old brats, the easiest and best thing to do is to ignore him, with the occasional meta-chat about him (such as now).

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:04 am

Sorry…had to do it.

AmVet

June 26th, 2009
9:06 am

Ahhh. And we were so close to vistory in Iraq.

At least according to the deadly, incompetent, bloodlusting BushCo sycophants.

“You won’t hear any bad stories coming from Bookman and his band of liberals about Obama’s Afghanistan.”

I’m guess I’m no REAL liberal then. I have called it Quagmire Part Deux, especially since Obama’s “surge”.

Busy day today, boys and girls.

Enjoy your weekend…

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:06 am

Hey G-cubed! hey Peadawg! happy Friday!

Normal

June 26th, 2009
9:07 am

Peadawg…That’s not right…but it is funny…

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:07 am

Amen USinUK!! TGIF!!!

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:08 am

I know it’s not right, but I couldn’t help myself. All this arguing and bickering…had to make ya’ll laugh :)

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
9:13 am

GayGrayFreak- You think about “poop” a lot, don’t you?

clyde

June 26th, 2009
9:14 am

GGG,
But I do so like poking him with a stick every now and then,Just so he can’t settle down comfortably.You guys don’t actually read what he writes,do you?

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
9:14 am

Only in America. The land of Miss Opportunity.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:19 am

clyde – for entertainment purposes (especially when he quotes Dennis Prager and the other townhall clowns)

Normal

June 26th, 2009
9:21 am

Wow WHINER, what a comeback to G3…Bless your heart…I mean that too…

Soothsayer

June 26th, 2009
9:23 am

clyde

June 26th, 2009
9:24 am

USinUK,
Real entertainment is reading about the British MP’s and their attempt to wiggle out of the expenses debacle.It looks as if they are going to succeed to a degree where future malfeasenses won’t be published.

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
9:28 am

USinUK – Hey there! We’ve got a busy few days ahead, what with it being Pride Weekend here in Trawna and all…

Clyde – Goodness, no, since his train of thought seemingly has no caboose. There is no breeze moving the windmills of his mind.

Wide stance Andy

June 26th, 2009
9:29 am

Let er rip Andy, you got nuthin, you are nuthin… Just a vacant, angry mind filled up with your RSS feeds from dumb a$$ right wing talking heads, and you prove that each and every day you troll here. You are definately not part of the solution, that makes you a part of the problem.

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Soothsayer

June 26th, 2009
9:30 am

“In February 1919, Sir Arthur Hirtzel, a top British colonial official, warned his associates: “It should be Bourne in mind that the Standard Oil Company is very anxious to take over Iraq.” (Quoted in Peter Sluglett, Britain in Iraq, 1914-32, London, 1974)

Becker continues: “In 1927, major oil exploration got underway Huge deposits were discovered in Iraq and the Iraqi Petroleum Company was created by Anglo-Iranian (today British Petroleum), Shell, Mobil and Standard Oil of New Jersey (Exxon)- was set up. Within a few years it had totally monopolized Iraqi oil production.

During that same period the al-Saud family, with Washington’s backing, conquered much of the neighboring Arabian Peninsula. Saudi Arabia came into being in the 1930s as a neocolonial of the United States. The US embassy in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, was located in the Armco (Arab American Oil Company) building. But the US oil companies and their government in Washington weren’t satisfied. They wanted complete control of the Middle East oil, just as they had a near monopoly of the Western hemisphere’s petroleum reserves. This meant displacing the British, who were still top dog in the region.”

In 1953, after the CIA coup that put the Shah in power, the United States took control of Iran. By the mid-1950s, Iraq was jointly controlled by the United States and Britain. Washington set up the Baghdad pact- which included its client regimes in Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and Iraq, along with Britain, in 1955. The purpose of The Baghdad Pact was to oppose the rise of Arab and other liberation movements in the Middle East.”

Paul

June 26th, 2009
9:32 am

Jay,

Yes it will. Will ‘democracy’ work? Maybe on the Egyptian model. Or the Pakistani. Either way, I still haven’t heard just what the measures of success are for Obama to complete a withdrawal.

Wide Stance Andy 8:40

[[So RW,
I guess we should fold up shop and exit Afghanistan? Can we put a “Mission Unaccomplished” banner on an Aircraft carrier, put Obama in a flight suit and have him swagger across the deck?
Er, we WERE actually attacked from Afghanistan soil, you’re intelligent enough to actually realize that.]]

We did accomplish the mission – years ago. CENTCOM’s tasking was to take out the Taliban government which was directly supporting al Qaeda. We did.
Then the Bush Administration embarked on something different. The Obama Administration has not only continued that, but expanded it.

Mrs. Godzilla 8:53

Nice new reality, there. Let the Islamic dictators grapple with that.

But back to our own weapons of choice – the Democratic Congress (Senate Armed Services) just put in nearly 2 billion (that’s billion with a ‘b’) for just 7 (you read that right) F22s neither the Pentagon nor the Obama administration want. Plus, they want to spend gazillions for a new, ‘spare’ engine for the F35 – something the SecDef called a big problem.

I’d suggest instead of Democrats for Defense the slogan get changed to Democrats Kneeling Before their Military Industrial Masters. With a few genuflections tossed in for good measure.

Hey, we’re trillions in debt. What’s another couple billion for corporate welfare?

mm

[[Nevermind the crazy christians blowing up doctors and clinics, molesting kids, etc.]]

Wow. I’ll bet THAT gets considered by the National Security Council…. When they’re talking about jihadists blowing up doctors and clinics and molesting kids… (hint: Iran has Islamic terrorists….)

AmVet

[[Ahhh. And we were so close to vistory in Iraq.]]

Well, given the Obama Administrations plan (such as it is) I suppose close will remain just over the horizon.

And a nice weekend to you, too –

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:33 am

clyde – GAH!! don’t remind me – and then, to everyone’s utter astonishment, earlier this week they tried to increase their pension on top of everythign else!!! talk about CHEEK!

G-cubed – I’ve been to the Atlanta parade and it was okay, but NOthing beats the SF parade!! was there in 1999 – the sun was blazing, the music was outstanding and everyone was having a blast …

“There is no breeze moving the windmills of his mind” and I am so stealing that.

@@

June 26th, 2009
9:34 am

capable OF debating a point.

TnGelding

June 26th, 2009
9:35 am

Unfortunately it’s probably going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever does. Are the bombs being created in a vacuum? Why aren’t rational citizens more vigilant in helping to stop the carnage?

@@

June 26th, 2009
9:37 am

?????My comment’s awaiting moderation?????

Why?

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:38 am

@@ strange and mysterious are the ways of the bot.

@@

June 26th, 2009
9:38 am

The 9:34 looks stupid hanging out there if the one to which it refers is AWAITING MODERATION!!!!!!!!

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
9:39 am

USinUK – I was part of Atlanta’s stuff when it was “The March And Rally”, long before it became “The Parade And Festival”. I was there the first year that COMBINED attendance/participation numbers hit 5,000. Our last several years in the Adlannah area, the hubby and I skipped it entirely, not needing to have tchotchke after tchotchke pushed upon us while we were amongst a HYUUUUGE crowd of sweaty, stinky people.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 26th, 2009
9:40 am

Paul

Scuttlebutt is Obama will veto the bill if F-22 is in it….

@@

June 26th, 2009
9:40 am

USinUK:

You’re not gonna like the “hostage” if it ever gets released. You and the other Andy-obsessed contributors here.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:43 am

I don’t remember if the one I attended was an M&R or a P&F – it was in the early 90s (back when I was half-way tolerant of crowds — now, I just get irritated if I’m jostled one. time. too. many) and for some reason, I think I was down near The Dump … good grief, I just can’t believe it’s been 14 years since I’ve lived in Etlanna …

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:44 am

“You’re not gonna like the “hostage” if it ever gets released. You and the other Andy-obsessed contributors here”

meh.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
9:44 am

@@: Bless your heart…In advance…Just sayin’

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:45 am

(btw – when I’ve had things absconded with by the bot, I separate it out into smaller posts – then, you can tell what it was that caused the seizure)

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
9:46 am

USinUK – BTW, I stole that line myself, from a 2003 Usenet posting to the newsgroup soc.motss, so steal away…

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:46 am

Normal, why can’t all liberals be as nice as you and say Bless you heart more often? (That was not sarcastic in anyway!!)

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 26th, 2009
9:47 am

Wide stance Andy

June 26th, 2009
9:29 am

Let er rip Andy, you got nuthin, you are nuthin… Just a vacant, angry mind filled up with your RSS feeds from dumb a$$ right wing talking heads, and you prove that each and every day you troll here. You are definately not part of the solution, that makes you a part of the problem.

Notice who bookman has no problems with?

TW

June 26th, 2009
9:48 am

They got a little frisky when Obama cut off ‘w’s hush money.

And since ‘w’ gave them an abundance of weapons during the days of ’salary to behave,’ they are now ready to get it on big time. Oh, those savvy miltary minded ‘publicans. Not that they care, as those who made the clever decisions during the abortion portion of the war will again be spending the majority of their lovely afternoons on the greens – ‘now, watch this drive’…

‘w’ – the gift that keeps on giving :)

Californication

June 26th, 2009
9:48 am

I am not sure why this seems to not even be addressed, and always dismissed as a bad idea, but here it is. Why not bring ALL of our troops home, let them protect the United States of America; they do not need to be any where else except on OUR borders. Then we do the hard thing right now, drill here drill now and end our dependence on foreign oil, and develop alternatives while we drill. Obozo has all but promised OPEC that we will be their best customer, what a loser.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:48 am

G-cubed – my other favorite is “as balanced as Blanche DuBois” … C-LASSIC!

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
9:51 am

USinUK – That one was my own creation, so I’ll gleefully accept full credit. :-D

Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
9:52 am

“I am not sure why this seems to not even be addressed, and always dismissed as a bad idea, but here it is. Why not bring ALL of our troops home, let them protect the United States of America; they do not need to be any where else except on OUR borders.”

Or we could what Ron White(a comedian if you don’t now who he is) said and buy up Mexico and everything down to the Panama Canal and say “Swim that b!#ch” :) I’m in a good fun mood today…it’s Friday!

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
9:52 am

G-cubed – (((golf clap)))

Normal

June 26th, 2009
9:53 am

Thanks PEADAWG…just sayin’ what I feel…

Soothsayer

June 26th, 2009
9:53 am

@@

June 26th, 2009
9:53 am

Breaking it down

Part I:

Are you reading this, jay?

Comment #3 — Andy’s to YOU.

Downhill spiral starts with Comment #4 directed at Commenter #3.

jay, have you ever asked yourself why the leftists come to your site? I’m not convinced it’s to read/comment on your columns.

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
9:56 am

Nice reminder of some of our sordid past, Soothsayer. I think the CIA should be required to provide healthcare for all the drug addicts they created over the years too. Further, we should just nationalize the oil companies and be done with it. After all, it’s not like the oil companies and our government are not already wed under common law. Let’s make it official and sanctioned by the church and all so both parties can enjoy the fruits of each other’s labor — that would be big oil and we the people.

Normal

June 26th, 2009
9:58 am

Californication

June 26th, 2009
9:48 am
————–
Ron Paul suggested just that very thing, saying it would save billions of taxpayer dollars. I for one, wholeheartedly agree. It’s time we quit getting our noses bloodied for ungrateful countries…Just sayin’
————-
By the way, if Ron Paul had made the cut, I would have voted for him, Sarah or not…Know what I mean?

The Truth is Way Out There

June 26th, 2009
9:58 am

I want to go see Food Inc. It’s hot days like this that I need the extra motivation to get out and weed the garden.

Paul

June 26th, 2009
10:00 am

Mrs. Godzilla 9:40

That is good news and I hope he sticks with it.

I’m sure you could tell I’m just piggybacking on your comment for a bit of fun with the “it’s the Republicans who are beholden to corporate interests” crowd.

But have you noticed how it takes a newcomer president to take on his own party’s entrenched way of getting campaign dollars… I mean, serving the country?

Paul

June 26th, 2009
10:02 am

Californication 9:48

Why not?

Because as Country Joe and the Fish put it, “There’s money, good money to be made, by providing the troops with the tools of the trade.”

Too much money and power at stake -

GayGrayGeek

June 26th, 2009
10:03 am

USinUK – Then we might have seen each other there. Until around ‘95 ( I think, it’s been a loooong time) the hubby and I marched/walked with Southern Bears. The first year that attendance reached 6 figures was our last time throwing ourselves into that maelstrom, for precisely your reason. As I’ve gotten older and grayer, the less tolerance I have for Mob Scenes.

@@

June 26th, 2009
10:04 am

Take 3 Part II:

Do you leftists think you require their services in daycare?

I’ve read exchanges between you and IR/YW — two strong personalities capable of civil discussion. Usually interesting until your daycare providers jump on for their drag on your coattails.

Let your daycare providers know you’re no longer in knee-pants — that you can take care of yourself.

They’re behavior is ridiculous!

Toe tappin' Andy

June 26th, 2009
10:04 am

Just waiting for today’s traveling music…

What on earth are you all whining about? Do unto others and all that???

I guess if I were to really hold to that I would have to throw a GFY and maybe a POS out there from time to time. That’s what you call debate huh?

Sadly, you set the tone of “debating” with you, I’m just responding in kind.

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Peadawg

June 26th, 2009
10:05 am

“Do unto others and all that???”

It’s do unto to others before they do it to you. (bad joke, i know)

Toe tappin' Andy

June 26th, 2009
10:06 am

I’m just “debating”, that’s all…

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USinUK

June 26th, 2009
10:08 am

G-cubed –

“As I’ve gotten older and grayer, the less tolerance I have for Mob Scenes”

http://www.peterguy.merseyblogs.co.uk/glastonbury.jpg

the Glastonbury festival started this week – you want to talk about a mob scene … check out the link – I don’t care if GOD is performing with Jesus, Mo’ and Buddha as his backup, I take one look at that picture and just shudder.

@@

June 26th, 2009
10:11 am

USinUK @ 9:45:

I’ve done everything but change my initial thought. 3 attempts…still awaiting moderation.

What it (Part II) basically said was that jay should make it clear to all of you that he doesn’t need a bunch of daycare providers patrolling his site for him. He’s a big boy! He can take care of himself. He and Andy are two strong personalities who can engage without ANYONE’S support!

getalife

June 26th, 2009
10:11 am

Iraq declared victory.

Move on.

USinUK

June 26th, 2009
10:15 am

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man, that’s frustrating on the moderated stuff – sorry.

as far as the “jay is a big boy” comment – you’re right. jay is a big boy and can comment directly if he so chooses.

but by Andy choosing to make his comment ON A BLOG and not directly to jay in an e-mail, he has opened himself up to comment from everyone else.

that’s how blogs work.