What Sotomayor has that Palin doesn’t … so far

I want to pick up a thread in one of the posts below, in which a commenter noted that among many on the left, “Palin isn’t a serious candidate because many feel she’s intellectually challenged, but those same critics support a Supreme Court Nominee who had to read children’s books in college.”

The reference was to Sonia Sotomayor, the appeals court judge of Puerto Rican heritage nominated by President Obama to the Supreme Court. While at Princeton, she was apparently advised that her English-language skills were inadequate and that one way to improve those skills was to read books that she had missed being raised in a largely Spanish-speaking household.

Pat Buchanan and others on the right have used that to belittle Sotomayor, noting that “How do you graduate first in your class at Princeton if your summer reading consists of “Chicken Little” and “The Troll Under the Bridge”? As other commenters noted, that’s not exactly accurate. Sotomayor recalled in a 1996 speech that “I spent my summers at Princeton doing things most of my other classmates took for granted. I spent one summer vacation reading children’s classics that I had missed in my prior education — books like Alice in Wonderland, Huckleberry Finn, and Pride and Prejudice. My parents spoke Spanish, they didn’t know about these books.”

I think that tells us something important about Sotomayor, something that even the Pat Buchanan’s of the world should celebrate rather than condemn. She arrived at Princeton, recognized that her background had left a weakness in her preparation and in her ability to compete in the mainstream, and she resolutely set out to fix it.

If she were the Latina separatist that her opponents hope to paint her as, she would have rejected the classics as stories written by white people for white people. and she set out to fix it. She did the exact opposite. It is a classic example of the second-generation immigrant experience, striving to earn a place in mainstream America. (What may anger the Buchanans of the world is that she did not feel the need to reject her Puerto Rican upbringing in the process; she merely added the mainstream cultural experience to it.)

I think there’s a lesson there for Palin as well. Sotomayor recognized her shortcomings and worked hard to correct them. She had high goals and she knew she had better prepare herself to achieve them, and she was willing to pay the price.

That was not true of the Sarah Palin we saw in the 2008 presidential campaign. She is clearly an intelligent person, but she tried to hide her pitiful lack of preparation by charming, winking and wooing her way into national office. It didn’t work. A great backstory, an appealing image and values that resonate with a lot of the country are not sufficient credentials for the presidency.

If Palin is doing what Sotomayor did — if she has now recognized that her background as a small-town mayor and governor of an isolated state with fewer citizens than DeKalb County prepared her poorly for the major national and international issues of the day — she can be a real player. But if she doesn’t do the remedial work, if the Palin of 2012 isn’t notably more engaged and educated on the issues of the day than the Palin of 2008, she’ll fail miserably.

You see it all the time in sports — the player of immense natural talent who believes that talent alone will get them there. Life rarely works that way.

304 comments Add your comment

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
8:16 am

Sotomayor’s a racist!

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The report warned that TARP leaves taxpayers far more vulnerable to big losses than the private companies Geithner is recruiting to buy up toxic mortgage assets. Losses through fraud alone could be “staggering,” according to the report. Barofsky said he knew of 20 separate criminal investigations involving the program and is himself directing six audits into TARP outlays, but did not reveal who is under scrutiny.

Yeah, let’s talk about something trivial, let’s change the subject, the largest undertaking of fraud in US history is no big deal, let’s MoveOn.

eewwww

ty webb

June 25th, 2009
8:22 am

Can we just copy and paste all the comments from yesterday’s blog? The comments are just going to be more of the same(daughter knocked up, GOP will lose again, she’s dumb, etc.). I’ll check back in later. Everyone have a good day!

Normal

June 25th, 2009
8:25 am

I wonder if Pat Buchanan has ever read children classics? But since he said it, it must be true…NOT!!

Normal

June 25th, 2009
8:26 am

Is Sarah Palin Pat Buchanan’s love child?

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:26 am

wow, whiner … quoting from an article dated 2 months ago … did you need the extra time to look up all the big words???

(oh, and by the way … 10 banks have paid back the TARP loans – the Fed and Treasury is already ahead of their projections)

booga! booga!!

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:28 am

you now, the right always condemns immigrants (both legal and non) for not learning the language, for not trying to assimilate.

Sotomayer does and what do they do?? belittle her as stupid.

now, tell me again, why are they the party of the elephant and not the ass???

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:29 am

oh, and for you GOPpers out there – it’s called intellectual curiosity … something that was sadly lacking for the last 8 years, but is back in vogue now …

ByteMe

June 25th, 2009
8:30 am

I find it ironic that conservatives — who are ok voting for Republican presidents who are intellectually disengaged — would try to attack the intelligence of people who have graduated “cum laude” from Ivy League colleges.

The usual anti-intellectualism from the movement that no longer has a brain.

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
8:33 am

Excellent article, Jay. Thanks for further clearing up Sotomayor’s reading material in college, while the lovely Sarah wasn’t willing to reveal hers last year. I think that hurt her credibility. I doubt that the governor has the time to thoroughly prepare herself on all the major issues. Anyway, they’ll change between now and the election. Obama is going to fix everything.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
8:16 am

Protecting big business? I’d think you’d support that 100%. Let’s see how everything plays out before jumping to conclusions.

clyde

June 25th, 2009
8:33 am

Somewhere along the line we all learned English in our own way.There are more important reasons why Sotomayer should not be a Supreme Court Judge than her reading of children’s literature.

HDB

June 25th, 2009
8:34 am

Thank you, Jay; this was DEFINITELY on point!!

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:35 am

hahahaha … best line I’ve read about the Ensign/Sanford debacles:

Said Todd Harris, a Republican operative, “If this was supposed to be our farm team, we’d better start looking for a new farm.”

(chuckling)

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:36 am

um. excuse me … but since when is Pride and Prejudice “children’s literature” … ???

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
8:39 am

I see that the Lovely Guv has yet to commit to the Alaska 2010 election.
Seems she may be planning to go national.

If she could spend the next year getting up to speed on the issues
she MIGHT be able to keep her foot out of her mouth.

Pride and Prejudice a childrens book????

“Vanity and pride are different things, though the words are often used synonymously. A person may be proud without being vain. Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us.”

“Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance. If the dispositions of the parties are ever so well known to each other or ever so similar beforehand, it does not advance their felicity in the least. They always continue to grow sufficiently unlike afterwards to have their share of vexation; and it is better to know as little as possible of the defects of the person with whom you are to pass your life.”

Not kid stuff. Buchanan is an idiot.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
8:41 am

Sarah’s College reading list contained “Huey, Duey, and Louie go On Vacation”, “Goofy Goes To Skool”, and “Micky and Minnie Lived in Sin”…Just sayin’

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
8:41 am

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Congress Must Pay~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ for What It Spends
Democrats won’t be the party of deficits. By STENY HOYER and GEORGE MILLER

Huh, out of their paychecks?

Hahahahaha, yeah, ok.

The democrat rulers don’t even acknowledge We The People.

It’s all play money to them.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
8:42 am

Pat Buchanan must have been a Hahvard man to come down so hard on a Princeton graduate.

reebok

June 25th, 2009
8:44 am

Pat Buchana couldn’t get through ‘Pride and Prejudice’ if you gave him the Classics Illustarted comic-book version.

reebok

June 25th, 2009
8:44 am

sorry, ‘Buchanan.’

RB from Gwinnett

June 25th, 2009
8:46 am

Soto has something else Palin doesn’t have, Jay. A slobering media willing to overlook anything and everything because she’s the choice of their messiah. On the other hand, Palin gets no credit for having successfully led a town and state government, has her family trashed as if there are no limits to decency in the public forum, and must constantly defend herself from false accusations aimed at discrediting her simply because she’s conservative.

Quite frankly, Jay, I’m sick of Ivy League educated people being held up as being somehow superior to the rest of us. They’re not. Get over it.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
8:47 am

The GOP had better pray that Sarah does not get caught up in a love triangle. After all, we all saw the way Putin looked at her and she knows where Russia is. I mean, if the GOP loses her to a long-distance lover, who will they have left.

S GA dem

June 25th, 2009
8:48 am

But if Palin were to read and educate herself, she would be excluded from Republican politics because she would then be one of those ‘elitists’ she’s always complaining about. Besides that, doesn’t she want to ban a lot of the books she should have already read from her local library??

rcs

June 25th, 2009
8:48 am

Jay, that commenter was me. I tried to make a point that had the shoe been on the other foot, Palin would have been ridiculed for reading those books in her college years. My attempt failed. Paul, josef nix and others did a fine job pointing that out. Why the need to rehash it all again?

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
8:49 am

To bad there’s not some kind of doctrine that would require fairness
from that slobbering media, eh RB from Gwinnett.

What a shame!

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
8:49 am

Agreed…If Palin doesnt do the work then she will yet again fall flat.
Soto is just a bad idea.

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
8:50 am

Fair…that word has been so used/abused it is no longer a relevant.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
8:51 am

Calzada says Spain’s torrential spending — no other nation has so aggressively supported production of electricity from renewable sources — on wind farms and other forms of alternative energy has indeed created jobs. But Calzada’s report concludes that they often are temporary and have received $752,000 to $800,000 each in subsidies — wind industry jobs cost even more, $1.4 million each. And each new job entails the loss of 2.2 other jobs that are either lost or not created in other industries because of the political allocation — sub-optimum in terms of economic efficiency — of capital. (European media regularly report “eco-corruption” leaving a “footprint of sleaze” — gaming the subsidy systems, profiteering from land sales for wind farms, etc.) Calzada says the creation of jobs in alternative energy has subtracted about 110,000 jobs from elsewhere in Spain’s economy.

There’s that word again, fraud.

eewwwwww

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
8:52 am

RB –

“Palin gets no credit for having successfully led a town and state government”

you didn’t complete the sentence … “successfully led a town FURTHER INTO DEBT and a state government FURTHER INTO CRONYISM”

there. now the thought is complete.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
8:52 am

Palin would have been ridiculed

What! By her peers — the Pat Buchanans of the world! Ouch! Excessive laughter hurts, in a good way though.

I'm ruled by Andy

June 25th, 2009
8:54 am

My favorite children’s books are Johny Has Two Things and Sex Change For Dummies.

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GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
8:55 am

Whiner — fraud. I concur.

Huckabee The Next POTUS

June 25th, 2009
8:55 am

Now, if the old hag would read The Constitution and The Bill Of Rights and quit using them for toilet paper she might be qualified for a traffic court judge position. I would imagine had it not been for Affirminate Action this clown would have failed to get into a Community College. Jan. 20, 2013 can’t get here soon enough, I can only pray that we make it that far with Obambam and his merry band of czars in control. I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good but this socialist POS has done just that.

Dave R.

June 25th, 2009
8:56 am

What Sotomayor has that Palin does not is a fawning media that will do everything it can to elevate her to a position she isn’t qualified for. That same media was simply out to destroy anyone who was named as McCain’s running mate.

It doesn’t take intelligence or glibness to be a President (see our current one or the former one); it takes the ability to govern by a core set of principles and the ability to listen to your advisors and make decisions based on their input. No one knows whether Palin has that ability because she was villified by the left from day one for not answering their questions they way they wanted her to answer them.

Harry Truman was no genius, but was loaded with common sense; same for Eisenhower. Both turned out to be pretty good Presidents. We could use a lot less flash from Hope & Change and a lot more substance right now. I didn’t vote for McCain, but he’d be a major improvement over the American Idol President. And Palin would have been head and shoulders above bumble-speak Biden.

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
8:56 am

Turd @ 8:50 – Yep, you’re right. As I’ve said previously – Faux Noise has proved that it’s as “Fair” as Simon Legree and as “Balanced” as Blance DuBois…

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
8:57 am

RB,

You’re just jealous of smart people.

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If you look in any college’s catalog, there will most likely be a course in Children’s/Adolescent Literature. It’s fairly common, I took the class myself in college and it was fun! I read the Bridge to Terabitha and yes, I got a lump in my throat.

We had this conversation last night, children’s books are an excellent tool for children or anyone who does not use English as their first language – any educator will tell you that. One trick to getting kids to read on level is to have an array of books of different reading levels in the classroom and let them choose. Of course, they’ll pick the one that they think the teacher wants them to read, but eventually, they’ll pick the one they CAN read and go from there.

As far as Palin v. Sotomayer in an intellectual discussion? Um, that’s almost hilarious just to think about.

Jay’s article is spot on. Many women like Palin rely on their looks to get them through life – and alot of times it works, until you are faced, like she was, answering some tough questions by people who are above looking at someone’s looks. To alot of people, being smart is much more of a turn on.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
8:58 am

To bad there’s no doctrine requiring fairness from that fawning media!

If the media was doctrinally required to be fair…..McCain Palin
would be in the White House right now!

ByteMe

June 25th, 2009
8:59 am

RB amply demonstrates the anti-intellectualism I mentioned earlier. Thanks!

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
8:59 am

Whoa.

Thanks for picking up that ball and running with it, Jay.

Nice work, going beyond an easy-peasy smackdown of the sort I’d probably administer (concluding with something tasteful like “Pat Buchanan pleasures farm animals for nickles and gives change”) were I trying to do what you do, and making it instead about genuine leadership character issues that people really do, and should, care about.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:02 am

(posted downstairs, but worth repeating)

Hey Bosch!!! I see your sacrifice to the gods of soccer pleased them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/sports/soccer/25vecsey1.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

(what’s the American version of oleeeee-ole-ole-oleeeeeee … oleeeeee … oleeeee)

Wide stance Andy

June 25th, 2009
9:05 am

I’d like to comment, but I can’t read and my Mom won’t type in all the dirty words I asked her to type here… Guess I’ll just go back to the airport bathrooms or the truckstop at Wade Green rd and see if I can score some luvin’

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GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
9:05 am

I can almost picture it now. If Sarah had been elected to the executive level, in no time at all the pictures would have started showing up on youtube and the talk about her “behavior” would have started and the word about who paid for what in order to make her more picturesque and then McCain would have had no choice but to pull the Trump card and admit that she was nothing but a “hail Mary” attempt and we all know how that fifteen minutes of fame worked out. Well, that’s almost the way it played out, except for the getting elected part.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:07 am

[[children’s classics... Huckleberry Finn, and Pride and Prejudice...]]

“Children’s” classics? I know more than a few adults who would have difficulty getting through those, let alone being able to discuss the themes and present-day implications.

I’d wondered if Gov Palin would use the time to immerse herself in foreign/national policy issues so she could come back for another Katie Couric interview and blow her socks off. Wouldn’t be difficult – “why would you phrase the question like that, Katie? Surely the researchers at CBS know…”

g’morning, getalife

Congratulations! That was painful to watch (at least for some of us). You on good terms with Gov Jindal? He’s about to get a 4X4 F350 load of barbecue for winning the bet – maybe he’ll share in the interest of bipartisanship.

Two good teams but only one can claim the title. Congrats, LSU.

Hey, didja see Rep Barney Frank on Bill O Reilly last night? They were agreeing on stuff – BF said cut Defense and Agricultural subsidies to pay for health care. BOR said “I’m with you on that.” At one point BOR said they were agreeing on so much, pretty soon they’d go camping together….

Does BF ever smile? Or was it because he was having a tough time cleaning his fingernails during the interview? BOR asked him at the end if he was happy… BF said he’s never happy… is that a liberal condition?

Jay, you’ve got another thread waiting in the wings, right? Please? Pleeeease?

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
9:08 am

USinUK,

Yeah, I worked hard to arrange that sacrifice – and of course, I can’t tell anyone what it was – the soccer god wouldn’t be pleased, if ya’ know what I mean.

Oh, it truly was a “Miracle on the Grass”

Copyleft

June 25th, 2009
9:08 am

Renowned conservative racist Pat Buchanan sees a Latina judge and makes an ignorant, racist remark.

In other breaking news, the Pacific Ocean contains some water. A-DUH. That’s how the GOP appeals to their “base”–with simpleminded race hatred to keep the outrage engines stoked and running hot.

Dave R.

June 25th, 2009
9:10 am

Or better yet, Mrs. G., if the media were to actually have a set of journalistic principles that they would follow, there would never be another liberal elected to national office.

But principles, media and liberalism are three words rarely used in the same sentence.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
9:11 am

And, Huck Finn is an absolute must read ifin you is plannin’ on efficiently communin’ with us sutherners.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
9:11 am

Even the moonbats are against “Cap and Tax-”

Last week HR2454 was 946 pages long. As of Wednesday morning it had burgeoned to 1,201 pages, as various constituencies made backroom deals with House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman and his cohorts. That blatant vote-buying and sweetheart deal-making is why environmental groups like Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, and the open-government organization the Sunlight Foundation have come out against the bill.-OCRegister

Now we have to bribe them, eewwww.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:12 am

Paul -

don’t confuse happy with satisfied. ;-) I’m generally a happy person, but I’m not satisfied with where our country is vs. where it needs to be. (but I’m satisfied with our leader and our congress and that we’re kinda-sorta moving in the right direction)

however, I could have done without this mental picture: At one point BOR said they were agreeing on so much, pretty soon they’d go camping together….

some of us just had lunch, ya know …

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
9:17 am

Paul,

Yeah I agree with USinUK – some of us just had breakfast. EWwww.

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:19 am

As other commenters noted, that’s not exactly accurate. Sotomayor recalled in a 1996 speech that “I spent my summers at Princeton doing things most of my other classmates took for granted. I spent one summer vacation reading children’s classics that I had missed in my prior education — books like Alice in Wonderland, Huckleberry Finn, and Pride and Prejudice. My parents spoke Spanish, they didn’t know about these books.”

Maybe you people calling Buchanan an idiot for supposedly calling Pride and Prejudice a children’s book should reread that excerpt and see who it is you’re really calling an idiot.

Jay B,

How many summers did Sarah Palin have to work on her “weaknesses” between the time McCain asked her to join the ticket and the time she had to hit the campaign trail?

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
9:19 am

Jay,
Please give some background for asserting that Sarah Palin is: “She is clearly an intelligent person…” I have seen little evidence of this. Her educational background is suspect. Her ability to process diverse political theories has pathetic. She was elected mayor of a very small town and thinly populated state with a bunch of outsiders. There’s little if any evidence of intelligence here.

IN

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:21 am

Report/Whine 9:11

You bring up yet another good point.

How do Democrats get away with painting Republicans as big business friendly, corporate sellouts when their record is anything but? Sure, Dems rail agains ‘big oil’ but everywhere else you go…

They add over 600 million to buy F22s the Pentagon doesn’t want so some aircraft and parts manufacturers are happy. (They also pushed through cargo planes Defense doesn’t want. They’re also crippling the F35 program and the AF logistics system by trying to introduce //another// engine as backup. Think that’ll be one of their solutions for GM? “Hey Cadillac, that new model you’re bringing out? We want you to develop your own engine AND we want you to buy engines from Ford, just in case yours fail). They perpetuate and increase agricultural subsidies for big agriculture. The ‘environmental’ legislation you cite is full of gimmies for big polluters and a gift for riches for hedge fund and mutual fund millionaires.

But they’re for the little guy and fight against Republican corporate-friendly policies…riiiiiight.

USinUK

Oh, I don’t confuse happy with satisfied. It looks to me Rep Frank is neither.

I wasn’t going to go there with the camping… I’d guess BOR meant it as a ‘now we’re best buds’ thing (sarcasm) and I don’t think BF would have taken him up on it… well…probably… maybe….

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
9:22 am

In terms of intellect, PALIN CAN’T HOLD SOTOMAYOR’S BRA STRAP.

Palin is a dunce.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
9:22 am

But best of all Dave R, journalistic principles might insure that
a cheating South Carolina Governor might be correctly labeled as
a republican, prevent terrorist fist bump silliness, admit the unprecented access that Fox news had in the Bush House and basically
illuminate the fact that News Corp is the propaganda wing of the Republican Party.

Because we all know how easy it is to put Republican, propaganda
and lack of priciples in one sentence.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
9:22 am

RW,

Seriously. McCain should have known those weaknesses BEFORE throwing her out on the campaign trail. She was a train wreck.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
9:24 am

Huckabee The Next POTUS

June 25th, 2009
8:55 am
——————–
No, that would be Huckabee, The Next Imam of The American Taliban…Just sayin’

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:25 am

Bosch/USinUK

[[some of us just had breakfast. EWwww.]]

How come your minds default to that position? :-)

It was a metaphor for ‘now we get along.’

A bit of projection, eh? Lemme guess if it’s for BOR or BF….

that oughta take care of lunch… dinner, too. Hey! We got ourselves a new diet plan!

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
9:25 am

USinUK and Bosch – Billo said “camping”, not “hiking the Appalachian Trail”.

Though, honestly, I wonder what Chi Chi thinks about her Lady Parts being called “the Appalachian Trail”?

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:26 am

Mrs Godzilla

[[admit the unprecented access that Fox news had in the Bush House ]]

To which infomercial are you referring?

TW

June 25th, 2009
9:26 am

Simple Sarah is already 100% in the skills she brings to the game.

Brains are not her game, never will be. Look at her record.

Simple Sarah is a blessing to the left, and every dollar thrown her way (unless for her pole dance) is a dollar wasted, a dollar for Obama. Simple Sarah has been queened the centerfold of the lunatic rightwing meth head clan that is, at present, to loud and obnoxious to let a real candidate through.

Sad, really, as the real fiscal conservative voice is an important part of the debate.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:26 am

Bosch … breakfast … cheesy grits with shrimp and a good dash of Crystal???

Paul … if you’ve ever read any of BF’s quotes, the guy is a laugh flippin riot – if he’s not a happy person, he definitely has the sense of humor of someone who is …

RW … we’re not calling Buchanon an idiot for thinking P&P is a children’s classic … we’re calling Buchanon a wanker for ignoring the list of classics and just picking up on the “children’s books” part of the quote.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:28 am

Enter your comments here

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:28 am

Paul –

hahaha … the “ohmygodIthinkI’mgonnahurl” diet … (also known as the Loofah Plan)

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:30 am

Bosch,

Without Palin McCain would have lost by a much wider margin than he did. She was also being held to standards no VP candidate in history had ever been held to, very much including the clown that holds the office right now.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:31 am

USinUK

I think the lesson last night is that they can both have a decent discussion. Old habits die hard, though. At one point BOR was moving the discussion along and BF reverted to his line from last time of ’stop yelling at me.’ BOR smiled and said “yelling? That wasn’t yelling. If your hearing aid is up too high we can have someone turn down the volume.”

Funny thing, I doubt if Huffington or Kos will put up THAT interview. They never want to address their stereotypes.

And they probably don’t want to address Rep Frank offering to gore their sacred corporate cows.

Dave R.

June 25th, 2009
9:31 am

Gee, Mrs. G., you take a single MISTAKE from Fox News and turn it into some “vast right-wing conspiracy”.

Tool.

Jack

June 25th, 2009
9:32 am

It’s a good bet that Soros has something to do with the Soto media suck-up.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:32 am

G-cubed … I think “hiking the AT” is the new “wide stance”

thanks for the great catch-phrases, GOP!!

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
9:32 am

GayGrayGeek,

Hehehehe. Funny.

Paul,

I’m not perfect man!

USinUK,

Out of shrimp :-( – just plain old cheesy grits today (with Crystal’s of course).

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:32 am

hoooray!!!

two Soros mentions in one day!!!

booga! booga!!!

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:33 am

RW-(the original)

[[She was also being held to standards no VP candidate in history had ever been held to]]

You mean like Truman? Who Roosevelt blocked from information and meetings, even though we were in the midst of a world war? Those standards?

George American

June 25th, 2009
9:34 am

Yet another example of the godless liberal media going after our beauty queen next president – the lovely Sarah Palin.

The drive-by liberal media have no principles, ethics or shame. And leave their beautiful little daughter alone. Quit putting her on the cover magazines and making her the supposed spokes person for abstinence. The should be Sarah herself.

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
9:34 am

“A great backstory”

No doubt. But those hot buns will only get her so far…

“…intellectual curiosity … something that was sadly lacking for the last 8 years, but is back in vogue now …”

Thank goodness.

“It doesn’t take intelligence…to be a President”

??? (Actually about fifty more would be more apropos.)

“As a young boy, Truman had three main interests: music, reading, and history. Truman was the only president who served after 1897 not to earn a college degree: poor eyesight prevented him from applying to West Point (his childhood dream) and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere.”

HST had a tremendous thirst for knowledge and had great intellectual curiosity. And Eisenhower attended that podunk brain dead US Military Academy.

I agree those don’t rival North Idaho College and not even reading the freaking newspapers though.

Sorry, apologists, one lamebrain US President per lifetime is enough…

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:35 am

RW –

you’re kidding me, right. Palin HELPED McCain??? ah. no. his popularity soared immediately after naming her, then went steadily downhill as people got to know her. the race would have been closer had he named someone with … oh … a BRAIN as Veep.

NO ONE wanted that ditz to be one chicken bone away from the Oval Office.

but thanks for the chuckle.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:35 am

USinUK

Just wait until Soros’s funding of some of those spontaneous citizen grassroots alliance healthcare reform group(s) mentioned last night get mentioned.

You’ll hit the jackpot.

Shawny

June 25th, 2009
9:36 am

Why do you put Palin and 2012 in the same sentance, yet alone together as if she would run for president in the next election? She would get beaten handily. She is not and will not be the front runner for the GOP. Let it go.

The GOP is vetting Sotomayor as the Dems did with Alito and Roberts. That is their job. Let that go, too.

Lame topic.

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:36 am

Really USinUK???

Not kid stuff. Buchanan is an idiot.–Mrs. G @ 8:39

Granted your 8:36 doesn’t pick a target, but am I really supposed to believe you’re dissing on SS for not knowing what qualifies as children’s lit?

I'm ruled by Andy

June 25th, 2009
9:36 am

I couldn’t hold big fat Sotomayor’s bra strap either.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:38 am

Dave –

“Gee, Mrs. G., you take a single MISTAKE from Fox News and turn it into some “vast right-wing conspiracy”.”

and if the mis-identification was the first time it happened, you’d be right. but it wasn’t. FOX has done this before with Mark Foley. once is an error … more than that is a pattern

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:38 am

AmVet

Could you, just for once, give it at least five minutes to see ff the normal crowd of anti-whatever the dig is could come up with something at least approaching the answer you’d give?

I’m gonna be like Barney Frank and never have fun…. sheesh…

Brian

June 25th, 2009
9:39 am

I’m not saying Palin couldn’t get it done, I just don’t think she will get it done. I’d like to see a Romney/Huckabee ticket in 2012.

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:40 am

Paul,

No I don’t think that’s analogous. I said candidate and the standard she was being held to by the media was one that was unprecedented for a VP candidate.

USinUK,

The chicken bone line of succession right now is Biden, Pelosi, Byrd, Clinton. I’ll take Palin over any of them any day.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:41 am

RW –

“Granted your 8:36 doesn’t pick a target, but am I really supposed to believe you’re dissing on SS for not knowing what qualifies as children’s lit?”

I’ll write this slowly for you: Buchanon picked up on the “children’s classics” and misrepresented it like she was rereading Dick and Jane books … anyone who read the rest of the quote can see that she meant classics full stop.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
9:42 am

Palin pulled in the American Taliban vote for the Republican candidate. That was the winning ticket, all right. Keep up the good work. I know, try the Buchanan/Palin ticket in 2012. That one is a real wiener.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:43 am

RW –

“The chicken bone line of succession right now is Biden, Pelosi, Byrd, Clinton. I’ll take Palin over any of them any day.”

just like any good partisan hack would.

me, I’ll take a group with nearly 100 years of collective experience – just like anyone with any sense.

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
9:44 am

Palin = dunce
Buchanan = xenophobe

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:44 am

“I’d like to see a Romney/Huckabee ticket in 2012″

me, too.

just probably not for the same reason.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:44 am

RW-(the original)

Well, Truman ran as his VP and it was pretty much accepted as he’s the one the party bosses picked.

And the media attention on the VP was… ummm… WAS there any media attention?

Your other point: Pelosi’s how old? I mean chronological, not appearance. And Byrd?

I ask only because McCain was too old to be president.

[[I’ll take Palin over any of them any day.]]

We still talkin’ camping?

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
9:46 am

Dave R. – If only it was a SINGLE “mistake”. Faux Noise consistently labels any politician caught in a scandal with a “-D’. It seems to be reflexive for the “Fair (snort) and Balanced (guffaw)” folks.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:47 am

(oh, and RW, nice way to totally ignore the reality of McCain’s popularity taking a belly flop after naming Palin … “Without Palin McCain would have lost by a much wider margin “, indeed)

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
9:47 am

“Without Palin McCain would have lost by a much wider margin than he did.”

??? (Again fifty more would be better.)

She likely widened the loss, especially respective to another moderate on the ticket, which would have secured the independents, undecided, etc… Had the RINO picked someone like Huckleberry or some flaming BuchCo acolyte and neo-con, likethe faithful hoped for, he would have been congratulating the Uppity One by 7PM that night in November.

And McCain’s advanced age made Sister Sarah even MORE circumspect. Thank goodness the American people were smart enough to realize that…

She was also being held to standards no VP candidate in history had ever been held to,

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
9:48 am

What Palin lacks the most is the progressively state run media in her back pocket to hide her pitiful lack of preparation by charming, winking and wooing the mindless public the way they did for Obama.

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:49 am

USinUK,

I’ll write this slowly for you:

Save the condescension. Pride and Prejudice being a children’s book came straight out of Sotomayor’s speech in 1996.

mm

June 25th, 2009
9:49 am

Funny how some of the rightwingers complained about Obama getting airtime to talk about healthcare and the GOP did not get any airtime.

I guess the Fairness Doctrine is only “fair” when it is in the GOP’s favor.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
9:53 am

This article is Jay’s way of short changing Atlantans for the agenda. Because what really matters, 216,000 Americans laid off last week and the economy shrinking 5.5% last quarter, clearly shows Obama and the progessive agenda as the wrong direction for America.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
9:54 am

Why oh why is there no doctrinal fairness in progressively run state media!

Woe is thee!

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
9:54 am

mm, haven’t you heard? There is a vast left wing conspiracy that locks out the poor misunderstood GOP.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that in the free market place of ideas, the conned are seemingly permanent residents of the bargain basement…

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:54 am

Paul,

Maybe hiking the Appalachian, so to speak.

USinUK,

Are you actually supposed to be at work? You must not have much to do, but you’re certainly prolific here. McCain’s poll numbers don’t mean much to me and there isn’t any way for either of us to prove what the vote totals would have been sans Palin for a number of reasons, but the most glaring is that if not Palin it would have been someone else. I know how she energized the base though and a large number of them would have stayed home if it was McCain and his mini-me Lindsey Graham.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:54 am

RW –

“Save the condescension. Pride and Prejudice being a children’s book came straight out of Sotomayor’s speech in 1996.”

okay. I’ll leave out the condescension. Buchanon misrepresented what she said – again, like she was reading Dick and Jane books – rather than identify what she DID read, which was classic literature.

TGT

June 25th, 2009
9:55 am

“A great backstory, an appealing image and values that resonate with a lot of the country are not sufficient credentials for the presidency.

Why not? Two out of those three propelled Mr. Community Organizer into the White House. (He got by not having the latter because too much focus was paid to the former.)

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
9:55 am

The GOP did not get air time! Well, maybe you just missed the coverage. After all, how long does it take to just say no.

@@

June 25th, 2009
9:55 am

I quit listening to Pat Buchanan some time ago. Now his sister, Bay….she’s always got my ear.

Judge Sotomayor is to be commended for her diligence but not “due” to her being a LATINA WOMAN.

The only problem I have with her is that she’s a product of the liberals’ indoctrination into identity politics which seeks to diminish or override a person’s intellectual abilities.

A great article on the subject of identity politics

In the end, then, identity groups have no choice but to rest their case on universalist notions of evidence and logic, as well as values of justice, fairness, and accountability not defined according to the limits of identity politics. Without such overarching principles, what we can expect is precisely what one finds in the world of identity politics: an endless division of groups into smaller and smaller identity units, depending on a few shared characteristics that are always in danger of dissolving. No one, in short, has an unassailable identity.

Life experiences are common among all people…none can be considered more valuable than “the others”.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
9:56 am

[[She was also being held to standards no VP candidate in history had ever been held to,]]

AmVet and RW-(the original) agree on something.

The ‘normal’ response would have been “was not!”

There’s a lesson in there somewhere –

Mrs. Godzilla

You’re a svensk kvinna?!?? Do you eat kaldomar and lingonberries during winter festivities?

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:57 am

RealityKing,

I think Jay B is also trying to put LOTS of distance between whatever shows up as the current post and all those glowing articles about how Obama was doing just the right thing by keeping quiet about Iran.

getalife

June 25th, 2009
9:57 am

Hey Paul,

LSU is National baseball champs for the 6th time. Told ya they thrive on drama like palin.

Yes, I met lil kenneth the page. Not impressed. He will get away with not accepting the stimulus for unemployment as more jobs like GM in Shreveport go away.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
9:58 am

Buchanan is just another Cheney.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
9:58 am

The U.S. economy shrank at an annual pace of 5.5% in the first quarter, the second largest quarterly drop in 27 years. It was also the 3rd straight negative drop. Not that the progressively media dare utter the words DEPRESSION.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
9:59 am

RW –

“Are you actually supposed to be at work? You must not have much to do, but you’re certainly prolific here.”

aw. diddums. do you not like being challenged??? it’s amazing the things I can do while reports are running …

“McCain’s poll numbers don’t mean much to me”

obviously they don’t since they completely disprove your point. McCain peaked at 46% approval about 2 weeks after naming Palin … then things went downhill steadily after that.

“and there isn’t any way for either of us to prove what the vote totals would have been sans Palin for a number of reasons, but the most glaring is that if not Palin it would have been someone else.”

she energized some … but, darlin, she alienated most. I work in the finance industry, an industry FILLED with Republicans – they were all disgusted by McCain’s choice and thought that was the death knell for his candidacy.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:00 am

In fact, the word of the day last week was, “Is the recession over?”

What a joke American jouralism has become..

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:00 am

Reality King

Liberals started using the word depression last year…….

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:01 am

getalife

from my 9 in the 07:

[[g’morning, getalife

Congratulations! That was painful to watch (at least for some of us). You on good terms with Gov Jindal? He’s about to get a 4X4 F350 load of barbecue for winning the bet - maybe he’ll share in the interest of bipartisanship.

Two good teams but only one can claim the title. Congrats, LSU.]]

Drama it was. College sports rule.

Not impressed with Jindal? Take the barbecue anyway. It’ll be good. Priorities, man, priorities.

One Voice

June 25th, 2009
10:01 am

Jay,

I’m surprised you would even make this comparison. It’s an insult to Judge Sotomayor and to all intellectual American women.

Sotomayor: Went to Princeton University on a full scholarship, graduating summa cum laude. She then went to Yale Law School where she became editor of the Yale Law Journal before earning her JD and going on to serve as a federal judge for 18 years.

Palin: After going to 5 different colleges (2 of them community colleges), she finally graduated five years later with a bachelor’s degree in communications from the University of Idaho. She essentially struggled mightily to earn a basic degree in a less-than-rigorous major at less-than-rigorous institutions. The she became mayor of a town smaller than most high schools and governor of an isolated state with the population size and makeup of most backwoods towns.

Sotmayor: Read Pride and Prejudice and Huckleberry Finn (books sometimes assigned in high school but more often in college because adolescents cannot fully process the complexity of their themes) in order to fill in gaps in her cultural experience.

Palin: Couldn’t even name any magazines that she had read (anyone ever heard of Newsweek, U.S. News, Time, Discover, Home and Garden, etc.?).

It is insulting to Sotomayor to compare the two. Palin has never shown any signs of intellectual curiosity or achievement. She’s a personality, nothing more, nothing less. She does not have academic credentials, nor has she displayed intelligence. She regularly makes references that make it apparent that she does not understand U.S. or world history, science, or the U.S. Constitution. I would literally expect a college student to show more intellectual aptitude than Palin. Jay, your column is patronizing and insulting to American women.

Joey

June 25th, 2009
10:01 am

Obsess; to haunt or trouble in mind, especially to and abnormal degree.

Jay;
You are right to be troubled about the popularity of Governor Palin.
So the question: Is it obsession when an abnormal concern is justified?

Huckabee The Next POTUS

June 25th, 2009
10:01 am

Hey Normal
Sorry to get you all wound up, I thought it was earlier than it was and that bedwetters like yourself hadn’t changed from Pull-ups to daytime panties for the day. Funny how the mere mention of Mike Huckabee makes you pee all over yourself. Guess the Libs haven’t come up with anything they can Palin him with so they just attack religion. Too bad he didn’t use Black Panthers to intimidate or Acorn to cheat or sit in meetings with terrorists and gangsters or associate with a bigot preacher that cusses the Country that allows him operate his hatrid publicly. Nope, that would have been too easy. It’s a shame when the left wing loons went searching for trash, Mike Huckabee’s garbage cans were clean. Now go change your panties and think happy thoughts like ” Nancy Pelosi is only too heartbeats away from the Oval Office, and Barney Frank is a man’s man”.

WhoCares

June 25th, 2009
10:03 am

Does anybody doubt for one minute that IF they wanted to, The media (including Jay) could find more positive things to say about Palin and more negative thigs to say about Soto?

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:03 am

Reality –

a depression is a severe economic downturn which lasts YEARS, not quarters.

so far, we’re only on a technical recession for 2 quarters and an NBER recession for 5 quarters.

pat

June 25th, 2009
10:03 am

What is it with you and Sarah Palin? Do you secretly have the hot’s for her? You mention her at least once a week and you have 2 threads on her on subsequent days.
Sotomyer, thinks her race makes her smarter than other judges of different race. That makes her an idiot, period. Nothing more needs to be noted. If you think the color of your skin makes you better qualified for anything you are stupid.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
10:05 am

Maybe you people calling Buchanan an idiot for supposedly calling Pride and Prejudice a children’s book

No (and to back up USinUK) we’re calling him an a-hole for lying about what she did read, to wit, claiming it was but “Chicken Little” and “The Troll Under the Bridge”.

(I’d love to think you posted what you did out of a misunderstanding, and not because you feel compelled to defend an anti-Semitic, racist POS. So that’s what I’ll think, for now.)

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
10:05 am

How dare anyone try to claim that Democrats can be even remotely compared to Republicans regarding their philosophies toward big business. For one thing, Republicans are the ones with the philosophy that businesses should be left alone, unmonitored, unregulated, free to kill at will. Anything goes, for a buck.

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
10:06 am

USinUK,

Polling data proves nothing unless you can prove that the daily polling was a certain accuracy. If you can do that why bother to have elections?

WOW! No wonder the finance industry is such a disaster. j/k

The forest beckons with a level 1 emergency, so I’ll see the rest of you upstairs later and our ex-pat friend in the AM.

getalife

June 25th, 2009
10:07 am

Paul,

He will share it with his donors. cons tell the people to drop dead.

You should know that by now.

Best sign last night. LSU loves oysters and championships by the half dozen.

@@

June 25th, 2009
10:08 am

Forgot to mention, jay

That was not true of the Sarah Palin we saw in the 2008 presidential campaign. She is clearly an intelligent person, but she tried to hide her pitiful lack of preparation by charming, winking and wooing her way into national office.

…a rather presumptuous statement if you ask me.

Palin’s “charming” persona was a term used to describe Judge Sotomayor in her interviews on the hill. Can I assume that since Palin is not LATINA, her “charming” is “pitiful”…..”lacking”.

Why must liberals be such snobs?

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
10:08 am

Sotomyer, thinks her race makes her smarter than other judges of different race.

Huh? Is that some more of that Limbaugh/Hannity speak.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
10:09 am

Sotomyer, thinks her race makes her smarter than other judges of different race.

Well no, she doesn’t, and you know she doesn’t, and you’re well aware of the context of that repeated-to-death quote, but you figure if you keep on repeating this often enough it’ll somehow generate enough poutrage to carry the team to another first and ten.

Pathetic.

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
10:10 am

“AmVet and RW-(the original) agree on something.”

True enough, Paul.

But for radically different reasons.

Her being unfairly treated was, is and always will be just another lame excuse by those that are getting VERY used to losing.

Like many, I suppose, I saw her as a shrewd choice originally. A Washington outsider with no known baggage. And MUCH safer than any of the RINO’s in-party competition.

But as noted extensively, it was her “performance” during the campaign that caused millions of otherwise interested Americans to go “WHOA! BIG RED FLAG!”

Curious George Alert! Curious George Alert!

A charming woman and fine American I have absolutely no doubt.

I’m just happy she is nowhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…

Normal

June 25th, 2009
10:11 am

RW-(the original)

June 25th, 2009
9:49 am
USinUK,

I’ll write this slowly for you:

Save the condescension. Pride and Prejudice being a children’s book came straight out of Sotomayor’s speech in 1996.
————————————-
To a woman of Sotomayer’s intellect, “Pride And Predjuice” may have just seemed like it was a children’s book. Just sayin’…

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
10:12 am

RealtyKing, you’re a real bright one. Thanks for pointing out that Obama is responsible for the last three quarterly drops. Of course, he was inaugurated in late January. Brilliant example.

Your tired complaining about the liberal media (especially like those lefties at Fox or anywhere on the AM radio dial) should make you a great Palin devotee. You come with the appropriate qualities of being a whining, gullible dunce. Kind of like Ms. Alaska 2nd runner-up.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:15 am

The traditional American definition of a recession is 2 straight quarters of negative growth.

The traditional American definition of a depression is 4 straight quarters of negative growth.

Europe has progressively modified its definitions to keep from continueally highlighting the economic failures of socialism..

George American

June 25th, 2009
10:16 am

What Palin has the Sotomayer doesn’t is that she is a Real American with American values, not an elitist immigrant with an affirmative action degree.

Palin is what this country needs to get back on the Right tract.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:16 am

Paul….

1/2 and 1/2 – Swedish & Irish

Have the ligonberries with my pancakes not cabbage rolls.

Scared of lutefisk.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:17 am

GOP for Thee 10:05

[[How dare anyone try to claim that Democrats can be even remotely compared to Republicans regarding their philosophies toward big business. For one thing, Republicans are the ones with the philosophy that businesses should be left alone, unmonitored, unregulated, free to kill at will. Anything goes, for a buck.]]

An “how dare thee” followed by a list of Republican shortcomings does NOT address the Democratic pro big business shortcomings cited.

Care to try again?

getalife

I missed that sign. Thanks for the laugh!

AmVet

For radically different reasons?

Make that “there’s TWO lessons in there, somewhere”

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
10:18 am

To a woman of Sotomayer’s intellect, “Pride And Predjuice” may have just seemed like it was a children’s book. Just sayin’…

And, I be just sayin’ touche.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:19 am

Yes Brad, and notice that the largest drop in the markets came in Sept/Oct, when it became clear who was going to win the election..

Dave R.

June 25th, 2009
10:19 am

Brad. Minor problem. ‘ol Hope & Change supported the bailout policies of the Bush administration that has done nothing to change those last 3 quarter’s results.

The performance of the economy is his and the Democrat Congress as much as anyone’s.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:20 am

Mrs. Godzilla

Irish, too?!!? Have you submitted your husband for sainthood, yet? :-)

IHOP has lingonberries for pancakes. Order’em on the side – you get more.

The cabbage rolls are great – I make’em every year. Just a hint of nutmeg.

Lutefisk oughta scare you. I think it’s a Norwegian conspiracy.

My mom gave my wife a sweatshirt with “Pray for Me I Married a Swede” emblazoned on the front.

She wears it proudly. Plus, she stole my Saab.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:20 am

It seems in my brief absence I missed the discussion regarding how Palin helped McCain’s campaign.

RW, if you return. If you need to think that in order to find balance in your universal chaos, then by all means.

And this beaut…..

“Europe has progressively modified its definitions to keep from continueally highlighting the economic failures of socialism..”

I had to type this through the Coke I spit on my monitor, now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get my monitor cleaning/keyboard cleaning kit.

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
10:21 am

Dave R. – For your edification concerning Faux Noise and their mislabeling of anyone caught in a scandal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/fox-news-identifies-sanfo_n_220377.html

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
10:21 am

“What Palin has the Sotomayer doesn’t is that she is a Real American with American values, not an elitist immigrant with an affirmative action degree.”

Read “She (Sotomayer) ain’t white enough…

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
10:22 am

RealtyKing,
Especially Norway – huge economic socialist failure. “Traditional American definition” from the same people who brought you apple pie.

You’ll make a great Palin supporter. You’re a traditional Real American (wink).

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:22 am

Not to mention that layoffs began in record numbers after Jan20th, despite the progressive medias instance that the Obama inspiration, and huge increase in deficit spending, would turn the economy around..

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:23 am

Sotomayor an immigrant?

George American, Please learn to google!

Let the Boss correct your ignorance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk&feature=fvst

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
10:23 am

Duh, Paul. Are you trying to claim that the Republican party no longer clings to the philosophy of unregulated, unmonitored, free to kill as the please, environment for big business and that the Democrat party does.

Try again.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:25 am

Reality –

May I refer you to the NBER: “The NBER is the nation’s leading nonprofit economic research organization. Sixteen of the 31 American Nobel Prize winners in Economics and six of the past Chairmen of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers have been researchers at the NBER. The more than 1,000 professors of economics and business now teaching at universities around the country who are NBER researchers are the leading scholars in their fields. These Bureau associates concentrate on four types of empirical research: developing new statistical measurements, estimating quantitative models of economic behavior, assessing the effects of public policies on the U.S. economy, and projecting the effects of alternative policy proposals.”

theirs is the new definition of recession that most economists use, not the “2 quarters of negative growth” –

while the NBER doesn’t define depressions, you’ll find that most economists define it in terms of YEARS in recession, not quarters – (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(economics))

oh, and if you think to smear me with “euro-think”, don’t. I’ll own you.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:25 am

RealityKing,

Care to back up any of those statements with anything? Anything? Really, ANYTHING? Sometimes I just shake my head in wonderment.

George American

June 25th, 2009
10:25 am

AmVet says ” “She (Sotomayer) ain’t white enough…”

Typical liberal pulling the race card.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:26 am

Norway!? Now thats funny. And hey! The Ameircan economy is pretty good in Montana too, no where else, but please have at it..

clyde

June 25th, 2009
10:26 am

AmVet’
Read *If Sotomayer were white enough she wouldn’t be the nominee*.
We have a Latino woman nominee to garner as many votes possible in the next election.It doesn’t get any more complicated than that.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:26 am

Paul

My Pop gave me a lapel pin that says:

You can tell a Swede, but you can’t tell him much”

IHOP! EEEEK! Nasty! Gross!
(I made the mistake of trying their potatoe pancakes once too….)

I have my own platte pan…….

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:26 am

Brad Steele

[[Especially Norway - huge economic socialist failure.]]

Could you please expand upon that?

http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20090514/ZNYT01/905143011/0/NEWS?Title=Thriving-Norway-Provides-an-Economics-Lesson

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
10:28 am

So let’s see if I have this straight.

It took thirty years, four American administrations and untold numbers of complicit criminals at eight different levels (at least) of the free market and government, on Wall Street and K Street, to lay the background for Bush’s orchestrated corporate destruction of capitalism and the Uppity One (being Messianic and all) is to undo it all in thirty days? Or sixty? Or ninety?

You cannot find fiction this entertaining…

I Hate Traffic

June 25th, 2009
10:30 am

What I would like to know is why an army of INS agents wasn’t at the Georgia Dome last night for the soccer game to round up great multitudes of illegals in one big scoop.

I hate EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU who caused a traffic nightmare last night and made many of us miss the first 4 innings of the Yankees-Braves game by backing up I-75 for 2 freaking hours.

Seal the Border, and…

GO, BRAVES !

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:30 am

Sometimes reading the wingnut remarks I am reminded of the birth of Jesus Christ as described in the Gospel of James where at the moment of Christ’s birth, everything stopped – the birds froze in mid-air stopped, and after a moment life began again.

Not to compare Obama to Jesus because that’s a wingnut thing, but I seriously think that some wingnuts like RealityKing think that life did not exist before Obama or rather chose to forget, or they think that the economy did not exist prior to Obama that on January 20th, we just threw out the old economy and started anew, so if there are unemployment numbers, it’s his fault, if there is a recession, it’s his fault – no critical thinking at all. Sad.

RealityKing – we are not that stupid.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:30 am

REality –

“Not to mention that layoffs began in record numbers after Jan20th, despite the progressive medias instance that the Obama inspiration, and huge increase in deficit spending, would turn the economy around..”

wrong again. initial jobless claims began skyrocketing right after Christmas (when they were at a low of 487K), hitting a peak on 25 March.

And, as I pointed out to Peadawg yesterday, they are a LAGGING INDICATOR. Unemployment will stay high until the economy takes off – NOT the other way around.

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
10:31 am

RealtyKing,
Your facts are wrong and your take on your wrong facts are just stupid.
1) the market hit its lows in March, not Oct/Nov
2) the market is at the same level as when Obama was elected and the two months prior to the election
3) markets react to interest rates and earnings information – they’re not correlated to elections.
4) you are a gullible tool

Normal

June 25th, 2009
10:31 am

Sarah Palin-Dick Cheney with lipstick…Just observin’

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
10:33 am

We have a Latino woman nominee to garner as many votes possible in the next election.It doesn’t get any more complicated than that.

Not sure I understand, clyde, sounds sinister and racist. But if my suspicions are correct, I must ask, “What? At the expense of the white vote?”

These must be very dark (get it?) times for the struggling, put upon, old, rich white guys who deserve that seat…

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
10:33 am

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
9:58 am

That’s old news and the revised numbers are a little better than previously reported.

Obama drops ball at health care forum?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/story?id=7919991&page=1

(Maybe we had better address death with dignity first?)

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:33 am

I Hate Traffic,

“What I would like to know is why an army of INS agents wasn’t at the Georgia Dome last night for the soccer game to round up great multitudes of illegals in one big scoop”

And you know they were illegal because? Crystal ball? Telepathic?

I for one think it’s awesome that the Dome was almost sold out for that soccer match. Good for the Atlanta economy.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:34 am

GOP for Thee

[[Duh, Paul. Are you trying to claim that the Republican party no longer clings to the philosophy of unregulated, unmonitored, free to kill as the please, environment for big business and that the Democrat party does. Try again.]]

One more time. As Normal put it, I’ll…type…s…l…o…w…l…y…

I pointed out Dems hit Reps with pro big business label. Dems go anti big oil, but in many, many other areas, they’re indistinguishable. I cited support of big Defense and Agriculture industries and the sellout to big industries and rich guys thru cap n trade.

Your response, I believe, was to say “not so. Look at what Republicans do.”

This latest response was to cite more Republican ills and ask me to defend them.

Why would I want to? I’ve stated, quite clearly, the two are, in many ways, indistinguishable. Now, would care to try, a…g…a…i…n… to defend the thesis that Dems are significantly different than Republicans when it comes to being captured by business interests and special interests?

Mrs. Godzilla

My wife has that pin, too………….

And what’s wrong with the potato pancakes?!!?

Ummm, if you don’t care for the pancakes they make from potatoes, might I suggest the vodka?

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
10:34 am

Recession Part II now beginning…can you say Stagflation?

In Obamas name we pray…Amen.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:36 am

TF –

darlin, you have to have INflation to have STAGflation.

we are currently experiencing DEflation.

please leave the economics to people who know what the hell they’re talking about.

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
10:36 am

Paul,
Sarcasm. Norway (as well as many of its European neighbors) is a screaming example of the BS steeped in the paranoia of “European socialism.”

booger

June 25th, 2009
10:36 am

Yeah Jay, you tell em. Palin was only mayor and govenor of tiny little places while Obama was a community activist in a real big city. No contest.

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
10:37 am

Go to cnn.com businees and read the cash for clunkers article. It shows just how out of touch obama is and how these pseudo programs are at best poorly thought out before implementation.

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
10:39 am

Many Republicans have withdrawn from the economy in protests over “huge” tax increases and “socialism.” I don’t know how organized it is. I don’t think they understand the depths of the economic crisis that started in November 2007. Was Obama the presumed president then?

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:39 am

Turd Lemonade…..
feeling Squeezed from both ends…

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
10:39 am

What I would like to know is why an army of INS agents wasn’t at the Georgia Dome last night for the soccer game to round up great multitudes of illegals in one big scoop.

Among other bleedin’ obvious reasons (ever occur to you that your little traffic inconvenience would’ve been worsened had that happened?), your GOP heroes of industry wouldn’t allow it.

Oh, and, um, go Yankmees.

(disclaimer: I hate George Steinbrenner’s Evil Pinstriped Empire almost as much as I do Pat Buchanan, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, and those Metropolitans from Flushing, NY are my first baseball love. Sorry.)

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:39 am

booger,

He was a community activisit in addition to being University professor who taught Constitutional Law. Why do you wingnuts conveniently leave that one out?

Turd,

CNN.com/business? Really?

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
10:40 am

“Go to cnn.com businees and read the cash for clunkers article”

You’re too late. Jay already panned that one…last week. Maybe someone at CNN should read HIS stuff.

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
10:41 am

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
10:37 am

What about paying for the clunkers with lifetime passes on public transportation? The government should have just bought up existing auto inventory and given it away in a national lottery.

clyde

June 25th, 2009
10:42 am

Am Vet.After Obama got elected I sat and thought about his first Supreme Court nominee and realized then that it had to be a Latino woman.No one else could fill the bill.Lo and behold,we have one.This is not a racist comment and it has nothing to do with old white men.It’s simple logic.Obama has the black vote and the liberal white vote sewed up.He needs to make inroads with the Hispanics.I do not doubt Sotomayer’s ability.I do doubt her willingness to rule in an unbiased fashion.Things I read about her bother me. She will be confirmed,barring a catastrophe.Obama has had them before,remember,but this time it looks as if he’s home free.

@@

June 25th, 2009
10:42 am

Paul:

There’s a vast difference between Norway’s population and ours. From your link:

Norway is a relatively small country with a largely homogeneous population of 4.6 million and the advantages of being a major oil exporter. It counted $68 billion in oil revenue last year as prices soared to record levels. Even though prices have sharply declined, the government is not particularly worried. That is because Norway avoided the usual trap that plagues many energy-rich countries.

Some here worry that while a cabin in the woods and a boat may not approach the excesses seen in New York or London, oil wealth and the state largesse have corrupted Norway’s once-sturdy work ethic.

“This is an oil-for-leisure program,” said Knut Anton Mork, an economist at Handelsbanken in Oslo. A recent study, he pointed out, found that Norwegians work the fewest hours of the citizens of any industrial democracy.

Socialism dependent on oil exports? Won’t last forever. Just a matter of time unless they reduce population through socialized medicine. Last I checked, they’re pretty eager to do just that.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 25th, 2009
10:44 am

They were soggy!

‘Zilette # 1 made me homemade potatoe pancakes one mothers day a few years back. At the time she was a newlywed with NO culinary skills.

As I sat in bed waiting, I heard her holler…”Mom, what color are they supposed to be?” I responded golden brown.

She had diced the taters the night before and left them uncovered.

Mothers love sometimes requires eating gray food.

lovelyliz

June 25th, 2009
10:45 am

Sotomayor has a grasp of reality that I don’t know that Sarah Palin has ever had.

Besides, one can have intelligence and still be stupid. I depends on your area of expertise and you ablitly to recognize and over come your weaknesses.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
10:45 am

Duh, once again, Paul. Are you claiming that the Republican party is not the party that supports the philosophy of “no holds barred” big business and that the Democratic Party is now supporting that Republican Party stronghold. If you are, then feel free to provide links to some evidence. Something published by the respective parties would be good.

Now, quit trying to put your interpretation of my words in my mouth, so to speak, and feel free to try again.

@@

June 25th, 2009
10:46 am

Take this Norwegian for instance.

Just around the corner from Norway’s central bank, for instance, Paul Bruum takes a needle full of amphetamines and jabs it into his muscular arm. His scabs and sores betray many years as a heroin addict. He says that the $1,500 he gets from the government each month is enough to keep him well-fed and supplied with drugs.

Mr. Bruum, 32, says he has never had a job, and he admits he is no position to find one. “I don’t blame anyone,” he said. “The Norwegian government has provided for me the best they can.”

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:48 am

Its really not that hard to search the web ya know..

There are several rules of thumb for identifying a recession, one of which is “two down quarters of GDP”

Considered a rare and extreme form of recession, a depression is characterized by abnormal increases in unemployment, restriction of credit, shrinking output and investment, numerous bankruptcies, reduced amounts of trade and commerce.

Another proposed definition of depression includes two general rules: 1) a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%.

Using 1): Welcome to the Obama depression..

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:49 am

clyde – and now you know how many of us felt about Alito and Roberts. welcome to the club.

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 25th, 2009
10:49 am

She is Latina, so she is MORE brilliant than the rest of us. Palin is much hotter though, Sotameyer is freakin’ FUGLY, like Michelle, the Hater, Obama. Barry should cheat on her like Clinton did on his ugly wife. Why are democrats so UGLY? Look at the view, all the ugly woman are liberals. The one true hottie is a conservative. That goes to show ya, just sayin’ Liberal Girls are easier, but who wants a FUGLY girl? Just sayin’ :-)

Brad Steel

June 25th, 2009
10:50 am

booger,
nice omission of senator from illinois – population 12 million as compared to alaska 600 thousand. oh but i forgot wasilla. my high school class president got more votes than the mayor or wasilla.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
10:51 am

Reality –

wow. and that’s why you hear SO MANY TRUSTED economists saying that we’re in a depression. because they adhere to your chosen definition.

the reason you don’t hear economists saying that we’re in one is because that definition isn’t the accepted definition.

you should be more careful when grasping at straws.

Dave R.

June 25th, 2009
10:51 am

No, Ambling Veterinarian, but if you turn the little wheel thingy on the big battleship, you see something positive happening in a relatively short time.

Ain’t seein’ nothin positive with Hope & Change in charge.

Conservatism Leads To Paranoia

June 25th, 2009
10:51 am

It is mind boggeling to me that anyone with a brain thinks it would be a good idea for Sarah Palin to be President of the United States. Even if she has above average intellect, which I think she does, she still came off totally uninformed on many topics and she was clueless on foreign policy (not withstanding she could see Russia from her porch steps). Intellect does not always translate into good judgement (see George Bush the decider). When the face of your party are folks like Rush Limbaugh, Newt three wives Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Sean the great American Hannity and Pat the biggot Buchannan what can you expect for the future? Not much

George American

June 25th, 2009
10:51 am

I wonder what “community” he was organizing. Maybe the _________ (inset your liberal special interest group here) community. (wink)

Paul

June 25th, 2009
10:52 am

Brad Steele

Thanks. As the article pointed out… well, it does refute that contention. ‘Course, it does help when you have a whole bunch of oil and treat the revenues as a national resource, not as something owned by a few.

@@

Sure there is! Remember that post a while back citing someone who said how things were simpler, extolling health care, free, and education and maternity leave and all the other stuff?

Then he lamented he’d never get rich there and couldn’t quite figure out why?

‘Cause everything costs and someone pays, that’s why!

But as Brad pointed out, the debate often reduces to the simplest points.

And, I’ll offer, Pres Obama was pretty clear in telling the Europeans how and why the American character is different and how risk, work, and good fortune should be rewarded. But along goes with it, responsibility.

I do think some of their ideas are intriguing. Remember the guy in charge of the cell phone manufacturer (Nokia?). Got a speeding ticked with a fine of a couple hundred thousand or so? ‘Cause their fines, punishment for violating laws and to act as a deterrent, are based upon percentage of income, not a flat rate? Because a fine of a grand is a lot more penalty to someone making $45k a year than it is to someone making $45 mill a year.

I kinda like the idea. Fines. Taxes. The whole bit.

Soros is gonna open up more Caribbean accounts to hide more money….

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:53 am

Funny that TN should use November 2007.., because thats exactly when I sold off my funds, taking the cue from Jay and his drunked band of newly elected democrats attempts to talk down the economy, for political gain. Thanks again Jay..

Normal

June 25th, 2009
10:54 am

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
10:41 am

What about paying for the clunkers with lifetime passes on public transportation?
—————
Yes! And bring back the trains. Make more of them and make them electric (green). It makes jobs, stimulates the economy…Airlines can fly overseas, but take a train domestically…a wonderful way to travel.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:54 am

@@,

Yeah, let’s take one Norwegian drug addict, and make him representative for the entire country. :roll:

Normal

June 25th, 2009
10:55 am

Gandalf…Bless your heart…

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
10:56 am

clyde, I knew that was your intent. My snarkiness and your prescience aside.

And for what it is worth, I have always been suspicious of who BHO has surrounded himself with. One of numerous reasons I would not vote for him. At least this nominee seems “normal”.

As for the inroads with Latinos, I don’t expect them to bolt en masse to the “Big Tent” GOP any time soon, if you catch my drift. They’ll be lucky to garner more than about 10% of that vote any time this century, I’m guessing…

Sunspot, you still play that kid’s game Battleship?

“Ain’t seein’ nothin positive with Hope & Change in charge.”

Must be dark up there…

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
10:57 am

I was merely pointing out the traditional definitions of the terms reccession and depression. Ones that your progressively educated TRUSTED economists are now feverishly trying to re-define..

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
10:59 am

RealityKing,

“Ones that your progressively educated TRUSTED economists are now feverishly trying to re-define”

Are you ever able to back up any of the tripe you post?

booger

June 25th, 2009
11:01 am

I lived and worked in Norway for two years. Norway only has 4 million people and some of the largest oil resevoirs in the world. This is why they are so successful.

Why so few people. Practically everyone in Norway wants to work somewhere else. When I was there I was paying 90% tax on everything above about $40k. Norwegians love Norway, and all plan to return, but they want to make some money then return. most don’t. They remain a small country because their population is expatriating.

For those who remain life is good. Socialism assures their basic needs, and they have a responsible population who don’t take advantage of the government. They are very plain as to why socialism works there. They are a homogeneous society. They allow very few people to immigrate there, and this is usually temporary work related immigrants. Lots of Texeans, and Louisianans. They will tell you that this would not be possible in a more diverse society where some people would take advantage of there programs.

In short, Over 50% of the Norwegians in the company I worked for wanted to work somewhere else, preferably The US. All say they will return to Norway, most don’t.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:01 am

HOOOOORAAAYYYYYYY!!!

The Supremes voted that the school violated the 13-year-old girl’s rights when they strip searched her … the vote was 8-1

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:01 am

@@ 10:46

I think one of the lessons, on health care or anything else, is to learn from the excesses and what didn’t work in other countries,

and not do it here.

People can point to others who went on diets and became anorexic or who overdid exercise and got hurt.

Doesn’t mean people shouldn’t diet or exercise. Just do it smarter.

GOP for Thee 10:45

You’re becoming tedious.

I put forth a proposition on similarities of Dems and Reps. Didn’t justify Reps in doing so. Said Dems want to paint themselves as different than Reps but in many ways are the same.

Again, I’m not defending any Rep philosophy or action. If it’ll move things along, I’ll even stipulate to everything you’re written about Reps.

Now, back to my original question about Democratic sellout to Defense and Big Agriculture and Energy Interests and Rich Hedge Fund Managers….

or does thinking about that reality give you a headache, too?

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:03 am

Darkness! Darkness and Zicam. A GOP tradition in the making.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
11:03 am

Sotomayor will be confirmed because democrats control the process, reguardless of what she is.

Sarah will continueally be attacked by Jay and his progressive band of kool-aid drinkers because they fear young girls looking up to a tradional Ameircan women. Personally, I’d perfer she was VP for 8 years first for the exact reason Jay stated. The last thing we need now is another inexperienced strawman(woman) at the helm.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:04 am

Reality –

“Ones that your progressively educated TRUSTED economists are now feverishly trying to re-define..”

“progressively educated”

please. to define.

does that mean that they went to a university that doesn’t have the word “bible” in its name???

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
11:05 am

Palin was only mayor and govenor of tiny little places while Obama was a community activist in a real big city

It’s kind of funny what people choose to believe. Fact is, Obama became an elected official the same year Palin became mayor, early ‘97.

Although if you want to split hairs, she’d been a member of the Wasilla city council a few years prior to serving as mayor, so I guess technically she’s a bit more of a (scary music) career politician than Obama. Is that where you want to go with this?

Oh, and while she was on the city council, Obama wasn’t a “community organizer” any more–just to swipe from the wiki because I’m lazy…

Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.[42] In 1993 he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:05 am

surprise-surprise … Clarence Thomas was the lone dissenter in the group

does anyone really need to add a comment on that??? I think it speaks for itself.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:05 am

USinUK

8-1?!!?

Damn neocon iconoclast literalist strict constructionist conservative justices….

Hey, were they the same neocon iconoclast literalist strict constructionist conservative justices who just the other day voted 8-1 to not overturn the Voting Rights Act like liberals said they were going to?

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
11:05 am

Take off the rose colored glasses Bosch.., and go back to school, where you too will see the agenda being pushed ahead of truth and reality.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:07 am

Paul –

you know what they say about blind pigs and acorns … ;-)

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:08 am

booger 11:01

Darn informative post. Thanks.

I’d read a similar article in the European press a while back about Finland. How they were having a talent pool drain because of the people who wanted to work elsewhere and make some $$$, then go back to Finland.

@@

That cell phone guy might’ve been a Fin.

If it’s not Swedish, I lose track -

booger

June 25th, 2009
11:08 am

Bosch,

I count being a professor as inferior experience to being a community activist. He obviously never had responsibility for a budjet.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:09 am

RealityKing,

Really, can you back up any of the tripe you post with anything? Really?

I’ve been to school enough.

suck my thumb

June 25th, 2009
11:10 am

Jay-In one paragraph you say “while at princeton she was ADVISED that her english skills were inadequate”. And in the next you say”she arrived at princeton recognized that her background had left a weakness in her preparation and in her ability to compete in the mainstream,and she resoluttely set out to fix it”. Which was it?

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:10 am

USinUK 11:07

You keep talking about ACORN like that and you’re gonna have a whole bunch of bloggers here ganging up on you -

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:11 am

Bosch … dude. like he SO told you, man. like, you should just go back to SCHOOL … and see the AGENDA … man …

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:11 am

booger @ 11:08 –

Really? A university professor inferior experience as community activist? Really? And budget is spelled with a “g” – just saying.

So a budget is what you need to suceed in politics? Well, damn, I’m running for office! Is there a specific budget you need, or will any old budget do. Does your check book count? Or does it have to be more elaborate?

booger

June 25th, 2009
11:12 am

Paul,

Norway is a beautiful, country, and has the most attractive people in the world. It is however, stifling for anyone who is educated and ambitious.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:12 am

Paul …

hahaha … between Acorn and Soros, there’s just so much to make their wee little heads e’sploded!!

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:13 am

USinUK,

Yeah, I consider myself TOLD!!! LOL!!!

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:13 am

Well, Paul, you passed my definition of “tedium” milepost way back there. In my original post, I put forth a simple fact regarding a major difference between Republican and Democratic party philosophies and that IS what I am defending. I consider it a given that Democrats are flexible given their willingness to accept that big businesses are not all bad while simultaneously acknowledging that all big businesses are not working in the best interests of this country — to put it rather succinctly. The Democratic Party is not blinded by a strict adherence to a stupid philosophy regarding big business as the Republican party is. Now, do you care to comment on what I posited. If so, try again. Otherwise, you may succeed in giving me a headache yet.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:14 am

Bosch – I think the kewl kidz say p0wned … or some such.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:14 am

Paul,

I do not believe I have said hello to you this morning….hello.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
11:15 am

Clarence Thomas gives men a bad name…

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:15 am

USinUK,

I wouldn’t know – I’m not cool.

booger

June 25th, 2009
11:20 am

Bosch,

Yeah, I think having experience with any budget would be helpful. One needs to have some idea of the concept that a budget is not just a spending plan, it must also include an intake component.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:20 am

Normal –

why stop at men? southerners, justices, southern justices … the list is endless.

suck my thumb

June 25th, 2009
11:21 am

total stereotype-Democrats willing to bend & republicans to stubborn in regards to big business.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:21 am

Bosch –

dude. you’re into the futball … you are SO cool!!! :-)

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:23 am

booger,

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell us all that Obama doesn’t know the concept of a budget? That’s just absurd, and we are all a little above that.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:23 am

GOP for Thee

You’re making progress – first time in how many posts you address Democratic sellouts?

I don’t find it comforting to say they do it without blindly adhering to a philosophy.

They just do it calculatingly, then convince voters they don’t do it at all (mostly by hammering Republicans to divert attention).

And I’m not talking about ‘all bad.’ I’m talking about selling votes for $$$ and wasting, year after year, billions and billions on unnecessary programs that benefit wealthy power blocks.

Another blogger posted a comment by Nader on the difference between the two, had to do with speed in dropping to their knees….

Like I said, one can even say at least Reps are blinded to reality by ideology, while Dems sell out with their eyes wide open. Not much to crow about –
Hey Bosch

Hello to you, too!

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
11:24 am

Yeah, let’s take one Norwegian drug addict, and make him representative for the entire country

I don’t think that was her point, but her point was pretty clueless. I think @@ was trying to gin up fear about them gubmint handout programs. What she leaves out is how much it costs to incarcerate a drug addict who winds up committing petty crimes to feed a habit.

Taking her figures at face value, I’d say the Norwegians come out ahead on that particular deal. Of course it seems distasteful to some to imagine that we should subsidize addiction and failure, but then again, when dealing with some folks a government has little but bad options and you gotta go with the leastest-baddest.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
11:25 am

“Which was it?”

They aren’t mutually exclsive. If she recognized her language skills were not up to par, then she would have SOUGHT ADVICE on how to improve. Is that really so hard?

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
11:25 am

Don’t we already have a member on the court that took English as a second language in college?

http://www.powells.com/review/2007_12_13.html?utm_source=overview&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_overview&utm_content=My+Grandfather’s+Son&PID=18?

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
11:25 am

Don’t we already have a member on the court that took English as a second language in college?

http://www.powells.com/review/2007_12_13.html?utm_source=overview&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_overview&utm_content=My+Grandfather’s+Son&PID=18?

@@

June 25th, 2009
11:28 am

Bosch:

One drug addict????

It’s more than one.

No problem….give ‘em $1,500 a month to kill themselves. Once they’re dead, it’s just more for the remaining Norwegians.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
11:29 am

Love to stay and blog but now I have to go cover for all the progressively educated that were laidoff this year. Not to mention reviewing that new list I just recieved today, due to the “future” economic outlook.

Which by the way leads me to correct that other progressively re-defined term. Layoffs are done forward looking, hiring is done when looking back. We can’t hire people without overwhelmingly high productivity, but we sure have been firing where we don’t see future need.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
11:30 am

@@

You may be on to something regarding controlling costs for Medicare and Social Security.

Stop all ‘wellness’ programs and inducements… no more smoking cessation… no more weight control…. short term increase in costs, lotsa long-term savings through… less monthly benefits!

:-)

Ray

June 25th, 2009
11:31 am

**What Sotomayor has that Palin doesn’t … so far?**

Gee, I dunno. Maybe a frontal lobe?

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:33 am

@@,

Sure, why not. Like DB said earlier, it costs less than that to incarcerate them or put them in rehab – and eventually, they’ll be dead, so we don’t have to worry about them anymore, and yeah, they’ll be more to give to the others. What’s the problem?

suck my thumb

June 25th, 2009
11:34 am

DogBone-No if that is it.Or could it have been she did’nt notice until brought to her attention. Either way one could argue that it should have been addressed before Princeton. It was just a question to by the way.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:35 am

@@,

Excuse me – in my 11:33 – it costs MORE than that to incarcerate them or put them in rehab.

It’s their choice in life.

@@

June 25th, 2009
11:35 am

DB:

Of course it seems distasteful to some to imagine that we should subsidize addiction and failure, but then again, when dealing with some folks a government has little but bad options and you gotta go with the leastest-baddest.

My younger sister was a drug addict on welfare. Didn’t help her…..she died leaving children behind.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
11:36 am

“Either way one could argue that it should have been addressed before Princeton. It was just a question to by the way”

Why? It certainly didn’t seem to hold her back any, did it? And it was just an answer, BTW.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
11:39 am

@@, what I didn’t see from an admittedly quick skim of that NYT piece you’d linked was an apples:apples comparison of our own nation’s rate of deaths due to drug use, nor that of what we spend per capita prosecuting and incarcerating drug offenders.

That’s what’s at stake here, methinks.

Obviously, any system can be improved and I’m sure Norway’s looking to improve theirs. I know that Switzerland had an experiment (believe it was only in Zurich) with legalizing heroin for awhile and they weren’t happy with the results. So I’m not saying it’s a panacea.

(However, I do think it’s pretty obvious something like marijuana needs to be decriminalized, at minimum to the extent of the bills Barney Frank introduced last week.)

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:39 am

Reality -

“Which by the way leads me to correct that other progressively re-defined term”

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. sorry you seem to have difficulty understanding that concept, but maybe this will help (from the Conference Board):

Leading indicators: supplier deliveries, interest rate spread, equities, money supply, consumer expectations, building permits, manufacturers new orders (non-defense goods – it’s a proxy for business investment), average manufacturing hours, weekly unemployment claims, manufacturers orders for consumer goods

Coincident indicators: personal income minus transfer payments, manufacturing sales, industrial production and employment

Lagging indicators: average unemployment/unemployment rate, commercial/industrial loans outstanding, change in labor cost to output, inflation of service costs, ratio of manufacturing/trade inventories to sales, average prime rate charged by banks, and lastly the ratio of installment credit to income.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:40 am

@@,

Welfare does not cause nor cure nor encourage/discourage drug addiction. Addiction is it’s own problem.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:42 am

@@ – I’m so sorry about your sister … my god, I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around how much that must have hurt … (I love my sister madly – can’t imagine my life without her)

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:42 am

Paul,

Now it’s your turn.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
11:43 am

My younger sister was a drug addict on welfare.

Had I realized what a personal issue this is to you I might’ve been a tad less dispassionate in my response @ 11.39. But the principle still stands, and I’d have supported any methods that would have helped your sister find the treatment and self-sufficiency she needed.

My profound condolences, however, for your family’s tragedy. My sibs are intact and I can only imagine what the loss of one of them would mean to me.

Later, all.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:44 am

“Welfare does not cause nor cure nor encourage/discourage drug addiction. Addiction is it’s own problem”

seriously. I’ve a few addicts – none of them were on welfare — in fact, all of them were advantaged, white, upper-middle class.

USinUK

June 25th, 2009
11:44 am

that should read I’ve KNOWN a few addicts …

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
11:45 am

Exactly. Palin tried to win by winning over voters, not with preperation and intelligence. And, regardless of that, the Republicans were destined to lose. It didn’t really matter if Jesus was the Republican nominee… Following Bush, even your Savior wouldn’t have won.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:46 am

When President Obama unveiled his regulatory overhaul plan last week, the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, or CFTC, dodged a bullet.

Lacking power, the agency has only gently regulated the derivatives markets, which have been blamed for wreaking havoc on the global economy. Rather than abolish the agency, however, Obama proposed strengthening it.

The sellout. Riiiiight.

@@

June 25th, 2009
11:47 am

DBG:

Decriminalizing marijuana would definitely cut down on cost in court and incarceration. My sister started with marijuana. The high didn’t satisfy. Onward and upward she went….all the way to heroine and everything in between.

Bottom line is we’re looking to save resources at the expense of lives and family.

It doesn’t sit well with me. Why don’t we just kill ‘em outright? The end justifies the means.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:50 am

WASHINGTON — Millions of people living in nearly 600 neighborhoods across the country are breathing concentrations of toxic air pollutants that put them at a much greater risk of contracting cancer, according to new data from the Environmental Protection Agency.

The levels of 80 cancer-causing substances released by automobiles, factories and other sources in these areas exceed a 100 in 1 million cancer risk. That means that if 1 million people breathed air with similar concentrations over their lifetime, about 100 additional people would be expected to develop cancer because of their

Good thing the Republicans were right there making sure that people’s health was on that list of priorities…and funding…Riiiiight.

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
11:52 am

Even if your sister started with marijuana, it wasn’t the gateway into harder drugs. Her want for a bigger high was the thing that led her to other things, right? If you just think about it in a scientific manner, looking at all of the good and bad and cause and effect, legalizing marijuana is the logically right thing to do. A cigarette rep told me once, ten years ago (So the numbers have definitely changed), that if marijuana were legalized, sold and taxed like cigarettes, the national defecit would be eliminated in 4 months. Hmmm

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:52 am

@@,

“Bottom line is we’re looking to save resources at the expense of lives and family”

No were not. Not every addict winds up dead.

Addicts are addicts, locking them up or throwing them in rehab will not fix the problem – they’ll either get help or they won’t. It’s their choice, and being on welfare or not has nothing to do with the problem of addiction.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
11:53 am

What Sotomayor has that Palin doesn’t … so far

200 lbs of extra body fat.

eewwww

ncgreybr

June 25th, 2009
11:56 am

Isn’t it interesting that people who complain that Obama didn’t have credentials and was too inexperienced will happily admit that they would vote for Palin for President?

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
11:56 am

Bosch,

I disagree. Prison will not help, but rehab can. They do have to want to change for it to happen, but they can find that change in rehab. Addiction is a disease. That’s what most people do not understand. After you are addicted it isn’t quite a matter of “I want to quit so I will.” It, at that point, is a physiacl and psycological dependance that needs treatment. Don’t get me worng, some people quit without help. That is true. But most addicts don’t have that kind of willpower.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
11:57 am

“No were not. Not every addict winds up dead.”

Maybe you don’t know this: but EVERYONE winds up dead

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
11:57 am

“Isn’t it interesting that people who complain that Obama didn’t have credentials and was too inexperienced will happily admit that they would vote for Palin for President?”

More than “interesting”…try HILARIOUS!

getalife

June 25th, 2009
11:58 am

Drug addiction starts with a choice that can lead to a disease.

Like choosing to be a con and getting the con mental disorder.

Anyhoo, most folks tire of being addicted and sick. They quit or seek treatment.

Something the cons should do too.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:58 am

DrinkSlinger,

You are preaching to the choir. You can’t force a person into rehab, yes. I mean, you can, but it will do no good.

My point earlier is that welfare and addiciton do not go hand in hand.

booger

June 25th, 2009
11:59 am

Bosch, I honestly believe that he is so out of his depth on financial matters, that he doesn’t have any idea of the harm he is doing to our country. It doesn’t help that he has surrounded himself with politicians and lobbyist.

Are you honestly trying to say that he or anyone on his team is qualified to run auto companies, control up to 40% of the financial capital of the country, put together a national health program in 5 months without input from the health care industry.

Obama is a smart, charismatic, charming gentleman. All good qualities for a snake oil salesman.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
11:59 am

What Sotomayor has that Palin doesn’t … so far

200 lbs of extra body fat.

Typical right wing nut argument. Of course, I’m sure your follower[s] will be more than happy to expound on your brevity and tell us all about the good point that you make. Riiiight.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
11:59 am

Doggone/GA,

“Maybe you don’t know this: but EVERYONE winds up dead”

Oh yeah.

clyde

June 25th, 2009
11:59 am

I have never caused anyone to become a drug addict.Why should my taxes be used to assist them?

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
12:01 pm

clyde@ 11:59,

Because they are American citizens.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
12:02 pm

GOP for Thee

[[Now it’s your turn.]]

It’s pretty well played out, don’t you think?

I stated a position and supported it. You did the same.

Neither saw anything to cause a reconsideration -

Matilda

June 25th, 2009
12:02 pm

@@, I’m sorry for the loss of your sister. It’s a tragedy of which no one should make light. It could (and does) happen in any family. There simply are no simple explanations for things like that, especially why people kill themselves — in all the many ways that people do so.

But it ain’t about the mari-ja-hooch, Dear. Tens of millions of Americans burn the doob regularly and never stick needles in their arms, just as tens of millions of us have wine with dinner, or a few cocktails at a party, and never stick needles in our arms. Blaming what’s NOT the problem only keeps us from discovering and addressing what IS the problem – if that is even possible.

Yes, let’s tax America’s biggest cash crop and stop being China’s and the Saudi’s B—h. Deficits make us weak, not an hour or two of chill time on a Friday night.

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
12:04 pm

Bosch,
True, brother. Sometimes throwing someone in Prison or Rehab works, but only if that is their “rock bottom.” Addicts need to hit rock bottom before they decide to change.

By the way, my mother is an addict and nothing has helped her. Rehab, prison, losing her daughter… None of it. Her addiction has complete control of her.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
12:04 pm

ncgreybr

[[Isn’t it interesting that people who complain that Obama didn’t have credentials and was too inexperienced will happily admit that they would vote for Palin for President?]]

LOL! Touche!

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
12:05 pm

Booger,

“I honestly believe that he is so out of his depth on financial matters, that he doesn’t have any idea of the harm he is doing to our country. It doesn’t help that he has surrounded himself with politicians and lobbyist”

Bush isn’t president anymore. Obama is.

“Are you honestly trying to say that he or anyone on his team is qualified to run auto companies, control up to 40% of the financial capital of the country”

Yes. The people that were in charge of the failed institutions that came to Obama begging for cash obviously wasn’t qualified to run their own businesses, so I’ll let the government (made up of some pretty smart folks on Obama’s team) try to get them out of this.

“put together a national health program in 5 months without input from the health care industry”

They have had input from the health care industry because the folks in the industry know their industry is about to collapse just like the rest of us – and 5 months? What orafice did you pull that one out of?

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
12:06 pm

Clyde,

Because if we look out for others, and not complain about doing so, we become better Americans and better humans. Because it’s the right thing to do. Because that addict could be someone’s mother, daughter, father or son. Because that addict could be you.

@@

June 25th, 2009
12:06 pm

Bosch:

Please go back to ignoring me. You’re such a simpleton.

While my sister did make her own choices, it was her children that ultimately paid for them.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
12:07 pm

clyde 11:59

[[I have never caused anyone to become a drug addict.Why should my taxes be used to assist them?]]

Because it costs more not to?

Because it is one of the responsibilities of citizenship? (I never did anything to cause that hazardous materials spill, why should I have to pay to clean it up?)

Because it’s the Christian thing to do?

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
12:08 pm

Because up to this point, the only input the government has gotten from the healthcare industry has been in the form of lobbyists putting money in their pockets to keep the laws the way they are.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
12:09 pm

DrinkSlinger,

Sorry to hear that about your mom. I understand the problem very personally as well. Sometimes all you can do is be there for support, if not for the addict themselves, for the ones they live with. And sometimes you just have to accept who and what they are and not try to judge. It’s their life.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2009
12:10 pm

“PoodleBoy-Original question was for Jay,not for one who still wears a collar and licks oneself in public”

Childish. You post to a public forum, you’re going to get answers from whoever has an opinion. You want an answer directly from Jay? Send him an email. And you might try growing up a bit too.

DrinkSlinger

June 25th, 2009
12:10 pm

Bosch,

Agreed.

GOP for Thee

June 25th, 2009
12:10 pm

Paul, since you have conceded, I won’t bother asking…again.

catlady

June 25th, 2009
12:11 pm

Whatcha wanta bet Palin’s NOT working on it? She’s too busy traveling all over to even take care of her own children, FGS! And no one in her family is up to “helping” her study up on current events, or even important past events. Will she be willing to run? You betcha. Will she be ready to run? A resounding NO. Are there Republican women who might be viable candidates for national office? Sure. But not If-I-Only-Had-a-Brain Palin.

Let’s give Pat Buchanan a test on some of the children’s classics he disparages her reading. And let’s give it to him on Spanish children’s classics! How about the stories of Ratoncito Perez? And I doubt Mr. Buchanan can claim to have graduated first in his class from BFU, or even BFHS, much less Harvard!

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
12:12 pm

@@,

Why so condescending? How did her children pay for her mistakes? Do they not have their own lives? Because of their experiences with their mother are they hopelessly damaged? Hopefully someone stepped in to take care of these children when their mother died, and gives them love and support.

suck my thumb

June 25th, 2009
12:14 pm

Doggone-Ditto and leave it at that,pup.

wbk

June 25th, 2009
12:16 pm

I think it is time for a new blog!! Palin 2012 or Sotomayor reads “The RED Badge of Courage”.

booger

June 25th, 2009
12:17 pm

Bosch,

You are grabbing at straws now, think I’ll sign off before the name calling begins.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
12:19 pm

booger,

Truth hurts doens’t it? We’re you planning on calling me a bad name?

Paul

June 25th, 2009
12:23 pm

GOP

How on earth did you get ‘concede” out of

[[I stated a position and supported it. You did the same.

Neither saw anything to cause a reconsideration -]]

Wait, I know… the real answer is, Democrats love to go on and on and on and on, stating the same thing over and over and over and over

and never reconsider.

Wait, isn’t that the definition of an ideologue?

same difference -

ken

June 25th, 2009
12:24 pm

Sara didn’t become Governor through affirmative action. And I’m glad my airline pilot was not promoted through affirmative action.

suck my thumb

June 25th, 2009
12:25 pm

wbk,Palin-no chance of winning(and really was wrong person to begin with) & Sotomayer-maybe have someone read it to her so she understands(and really was wrong person to begin with)

Normal

June 25th, 2009
12:27 pm

Sorry to come in late like this, but I’ve been working harder than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest…Back in the early 70’s Ann Arbor Mi. had some law run out and for a period of time, it was legal to smoke pot on the streets. All around the country, it was said or thought that maybe the government would just follow Ann Arbor. The urban legend was that R. J. Reynolds had bought up all the cool names like Panama Red, Alcopoulco Gold, etc and if ever made legal, they would have the pot packed and put in vending machines within 24 hours.
I only mention this because I agree legalization is the correct course of action and the cigarette companies would have a new product to foist…Just sayin’

ncgreybr

June 25th, 2009
12:27 pm

When Jay asked “What Sotomayor has that Palin doesn’t so far”, my first thought was “intelligence”.

I always have to sadly laugh when people tell me I’m “afraid” of Palin. No…I afraid FOR America if someone as simplistic as Palin get into a powerful office. She would have been a heartbeat away from beiing President. THAT is truly fearful!

The saddest part is that when they were making fun of her on Saturday Night Live, they were using her own words. They didn’t even have to make up the comedy. There were SO many highly qualified, intelligent, middle-of-the-road Republican women that McCain could have picked….

@@

June 25th, 2009
12:27 pm

Bosch:

A child’s psyche is very fragile. It harbors emotional scars that inhibit. Her girls are doing well thanks to a father who had his life together. It wasn’t easy though…the youngest was determined to follow in her mother’s footsteps. Addiction (as you know all too well) is in the genetic makeup.

How many children of alcoholics/addicts repeat the addiction? The numbers are high.

How many children of alcoholics/addicts, if they, themselves don’t abuse, marry someone who does? I mean….if you couldn’t get it right the first time, why not go for a second attempt? Then more kids enter into the picture and the vicious cycle continues.

It’s all about the kids, Bosch. What kind of example are you setting for yours. You’ve frequently discussed your father’s/mother’s?? alcoholism. Have you examined your own?

Why am I condescending?

Because I find your thought process to be shallow at best.

You asked….

wbk

June 25th, 2009
12:49 pm

ncgreybr

June 25th, 2009
12:27 pm:

Are you measuring intelligence from the normal white male perspective or the liberal college performance. Intelligence is such a confusing word! I rather hear “He/She displays good commen sense!”.

Commen Sense! Well that blows most liberals out of the water!

Question

June 25th, 2009
1:06 pm

Someone remind us what PresBo’s qualifications and accomplishments were to serve as President. His “change we can believe in” seems to be leading to an increase in bureaucracy, unions (I believe UAW now owns GM), and unaccountable speading (with all of the earmarks he promised to eliminate)… Yup! Change all right (or should I say left).

ncgreybr

June 25th, 2009
1:25 pm

[[She was also being held to standards no VP candidate in history had ever been held to,]]

Like being able to think?

N.J

June 25th, 2009
1:33 pm

American anti-intellectualism is probably responsible for more of America’s problems, both domestically and internationally than any other single factor. Most recently Reagan’s own comptroller general accused him of diminishing the quality of government agencies by his constant attacks on government service, which led many of the best and brightest to avoid government service at every level. His assessment of the Reagan presidency and the problems it left his successor included:

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The G.A.O. said the new Chief Executive should abandon President Reagan’s practice of denouncing Federal agencies and bureaucrats, because such invective makes it difficult for the Government to ”attract, motivate and retain committed people.”

”After years of ‘Fed-bashing,’ the new President needs to change course,” it said, adding that the morale of Federal workers could be greatly improved if the President used public forums to express support for public servants.

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More recently was the “Brownie” event. Rather than select people with some sort of qualification for the cabinet level position they were being put in charge of Bush was inclined to prefer loyalty to him to actual experience in the area that the department dealt with.

Government, of any size is in fact a rather complex thing. Certainly one expects ones own doctor to have an education which has something to do with medicine. Running a country is certainly no less complex, and often lack of skillful government officials, elected or not, has been known to cost lives.

I would prefer a president with a bad bedside manner who was a skilled surgeon to be operating on me or my family. I expect no less of government.

Republicans of course had it in mind to create the conditions by which government could do nothing but fail, so they could then point their fingers at the failure as proof.

On the other hand, the Europeans have an extremely well educated civil service. In France, getting out of college is simply the first step in getting a government job. The next is a very, very exhaustive test, with many sections, which takes many weeks to finish. When you make that cut, you spend the next three years in a “Government Graduate School” the equivalent of a Phd level education in the United States, where you learn everything about general government and then move on to classwork in the specialized division you will be working in. Only after those years of post college education do you actually start working in government. This applies to every level of government, from building and zoning to teaching in Public Schools.

N.J

June 25th, 2009
1:50 pm

“Norway is a beautiful, country, and has the most attractive people in the world. It is however, stifling for anyone who is educated and ambitious.”

Hardly. With the advent of the European Union, you have a lot of people moving from other areas of Europe into Norway to set up businesses with government grants from their own countries. There is one town on the southern coast of Norway that is almost completely populated by Dutch citizens who have done so. One of the benefits that many European governments give their citizens when they are unemployed is the option to be give grants to start their own businesses. They can still collect some portion of their unemployment paychecks while attempting to get the business off the ground. They can use these grants to establish a business anywhere in the EU. While Norway isn’t part of the Union it it has mutual arrangements with the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland. So you can collect unemployment in any of these if you are from Norway and vice versa.

Norway Risk Assessment

Country Rating

Rating: A1

The political and economic situation is very good. A quality business environment has a positive influence on corporate payment behaviour. Corporate default probability is very low on average.

Norway also has some of the lowest inflation rates in Europe as well one of the lowest unemployment rates

Of course the various entrepreneurial welfare benefits allow a Norwegian to move to the Netherlands to establish a business, or an unemployed Dutch citizen to do the same in Norway. For a few year, the Dutch were using their government benefits to go to Norway to set up video rental businesses, for example.

N.J

June 25th, 2009
2:27 pm

“This article is Jay’s way of short changing Atlantans for the agenda. Because what really matters, 216,000 Americans laid off last week and the economy shrinking 5.5% last quarter, clearly shows Obama and the progessive agenda as the wrong direction for America.’

Obama has been in office for what, less than six months now. Of course when Bush’s tax cuts didn’t work etc, of course the main retort was, give it time.When Reagan’s tax cuts did not work the same reasons given by Republicans. OF course both Reagan and Bush asserted that because their FIRST tax cuts didnt seem to work, second ones were needed.

As Warren Buffet points out, the Obama stimulus was too small, and another one may be necessary. In fact this is what most economists recommended. A stimulus of more than a trillion and possibly two was what was recommended. Obama made one mistake. He didn’t immediately repeal the primary cause of the economic recession, the Bush tax cuts. They were responsible for the housing bubble and collapse. Thats where most of the Bush tax cuts to the wealthiest were invested, just like the pre-1929 economic investments in real estate which created the exact same sort of economic bubble which ended up in the entire economic crash. The Great Depression was preceded by three very large tax cuts bringing the top rate down from about 70 percent to 25 percent in three stages. The last two occurred in the four years before the crash of 1929, and of course all that excess money was put into speculative ventures, the largest being real estate, on the theory that the price of real estate ALWAYS goes up.

The real turn around will start occurring shortly after Obama allows the Bush tax cuts to expire next year. The ONLY way those at the top will be able to avoid taxes is by spending it in job creating sectors of the economy, rather than speculative areas. This will of course, require them to do real work rather than sit on their asses collecting dividends and profit taking from their investments.

And the wealthy almost NEVER pay those tax rates, Their accountants advise them to invest them in the only ways that they can avoid those taxes, and when the top marginal tax rate on personal income is high, the only way to do that is to start a business or to be a direct partner in one rather than a passive investor.

It took Bush eight years to screw up a great economy, and large projected government surpluses. It will take a bit more than six months to repair that mess.

One must also consider that Obama’s policies must be filtered down through the Republican state government in Georgia.

N.J

June 25th, 2009
2:56 pm

Another problem Obama was stuck was was Bush’s “trickle down” bailouts. The ones the the Democrats were suggesting before the collapse would have largely prevented it and cost a whole lot less in the long run. It would have been cheaper to have readjusted the mortgages that people walked away from before they walked away from them. Then there would have been NO bad paper for the banks to have to walk away from. Of course this would have prevented the collapse of the investment bankers who were being hit on all sides to pay off the credit default swaps on those mortgages people walked out on to avoid paying more for their homes than they were now worth.

“A progressive bailout would look very different. It would relieve the banks of their burden by buying up mortgages from working people in trouble, rather than giving hundreds of billions to those who are most responsible for getting us into this crisis in the first place.”

Of course Bush and the Republicans largely fought any such effort to bail out those on the bottom and focused on bailing out those at the top.

I remember two years before the economic collapse, there was already talk about the tens of thousands of mortgage holders who were walking away from their mortgages, and everyone on the right was stating that in no way, shape or form, would this have ANY effect on the economy, while in the cloakroom of congress, they were already preparing for an economic collapse by passing legislation that totally altered the bankruptcy codes, making it impossible for a court to readjust the mortgages for these people who went into bankruptcy. Bush slipped in his rules making bankruptcy for the average person much more difficult well before the Democrats took control of Congress and most Democrats were trying to make the case for not making those changes in case of some economic crisis, either personal, or national.

One of Bush’s most amusing (or it would be if this change was not a large part of the cause of the current economic collapse) statement was:

“In recent years too many people have abused the bankruptcy laws,” Bush said. “They walked away from debts even when they had the ability to repay them.”

Those who OPPOSED the changes stated:

“Those who fought the bill’s passage said the change will fall especially hard on low-income working people, single mothers, minorities and the elderly and will remove a safety net for those who have lost their jobs or face crushing medical bills.”

As usual, the Democrats got it absolutely correctly and the Republicans got it absolutely wrong.\

Had the previous bankruptcy laws remained in place, this current economic mess need not have occurred. Had the bail out been from the bottom up, rather than top down, the same thing. The recession would either have been far less severe, or it would not have occurred at all, because there would have been other options than walking out from being under water on a mortgage, because no one would have been underwater on their mortgages at all.

This is too funny because by REMOVING the ability of the average person to have the courts readjust their mortgage liabilities, people simply WALKED because there was no longer a legal option for them by which the banks still would have collected a good percentage of what was owed to them, rather than simply getting the house back and past mortgage payments.

The Bush people, and the Republican majority congress were anticipating a collapse in the housing markets as early as 2003, but they were totally lacking in any sort of awareness of how this would sweep through the general economy, or simply didn’t care all that much because they were as well positioned to make money in this economy as in the previous one.

N.J

June 25th, 2009
4:31 pm

Even better. The sub primes blamed for everything made up such a substantially small percentage of the total amount of mortgages. The total amount of sub primes in dollars at the time of the housing bubble was 1.3 trillion. These made up about 43 percent of all foreclosures.

The value of all outstanding residential mortgages, owed by USA households to purchase residences housing at most four families, was US$9.9 trillion as of year-end 2006, and US$10.6 trillion as of midyear 2008. At this time sub primes made up 6.8 percent of all mortgages. The total amount of dollars defaulted on by people with sub primes has been estimated to have been as low as 300 billion dollars and as high as 570 billion. Democrats were calling to simply bail out a PORTION of this total. That is all the banks would have to do would be to eat a portion of these losses by resetting the mortgage rates to affordable levels rather than doubling or tripling the monthly payments. Highest estimates of the cost for the government to have done this at the time ranged at about 150 billion dollars. This in effect, would have resulted in foreclosure rates which were closer to the average annual rates than the huge number of foreclosures that started occurring when the ARM’s started resetting at much higher rates due to increased interest rates. By September 2007, the rates of foreclosure were triple the average rates. Though subprimes made up less than 7 percent of ALL morgages by August 2008 9.2 percent of all mortgages were in default Between August 2007 and August 2008 about 940,000 homes had gone into foreclosure. In the following year this increased to 2.4 million as housing prices collapsed.

This could have been avoided had Republicans simply gotten out of the way and spent a quarter of the amount of money adjusting the mortgage rates of the initial sub prime borrowers who went into default, essentially preventing the defaults from occurring at all. As it stands ALL homes have lost close to something like 4 trillion dollars in value, something which could have been prevented by spending one sixteenth that sum before this occurred.

Pitt

June 26th, 2009
1:05 pm

I am again reminded why I cancelled my AJC subscription years ago and why I feel the need to bathe any time I read the comments sections after an article.

The only reason that armed revolt has not yet happened in this country is because half the population still cant believe what they are seeing out of this Congress and administration and the other half are just idiots.

Richard, Dubuque

June 26th, 2009
1:48 pm

Why is it that when people discuss “political idiots,” that Joe Biden rarely comes up? Here we have the class clown as VP and the media and leftist loones make it convenient to overlook his gaffes. And, concerning the comments about Obama being a law professor, it is more accurate to note that he was an adjunct. An adjunct is one who was looking for a job in academics and takes a part-time teaching position. They are not throughly vetted as they would be for a tenure-track professorship. And, those noting that Obama worked as a lawyer in Chicago, please don’t forget to add that he billed about 17 hours work per week over a four year period and that his supervisor stated in an interview that Obama could never get the “big picture” of the cases he was handling.

Janine

June 26th, 2009
2:32 pm

Pat Buchanan is an idiot. But don’t put down the entire Republican party because of him. Now I do admire Sotomayor for improving those areas of her life that were lacking. But that doesn’t mean I like her as a person or as a nominee for the SC. She is still a racist and is wrong in her interpretation of what the Constitution is all about. She should NOT be on the SC. I also agree with the author that Gov. Palin would be wise to improve herself in area where she may be lacking (or even just perceived as lacking). That said, however, I still say that she has much more executive experience than our current President has (and she wasn’t even running for the top spot!).

Bill

June 26th, 2009
2:43 pm

Just say NO to SoeteroMayor.

Janine

June 26th, 2009
2:44 pm

N.J., before you start spouting off about how “wrong” the Republicans were and how you think they were responsible for the current economic crisis–TAKE A COUPLE OF COURSES IN ECONOMICS FIRST! I am so tired of Democrats who think they know the “truth” when it is all subjective propaganda. If you did a little research, you would find that everything that N.J. said regarding our current situation is totally bogus. By the way, I studied Economics, Finance and worked in securities for over 10 years. I don’t have time to breakdown the whole scenario, but a little objective research will show you who really is responsible for the current economic situation. I am not saying that Bush didn’t cause some problems there at the end–he did. He made a huge mistake by pushing for the first bailout at the end of his term. But the Democrats (with their lack of understanding economics and free markets) have made a much greater disaster out of a situation that would have corrected itself in less than a year. Now our entire country is heading for complete collapse–thanks to those people in office now who are only out for themselves and their personal gain.

I hope you are all happy you voted for “hope and change”. Because the change is coming and you better hope that you are one of the “elite” in power instead of one of the millions who have become slaves to the State with ever dwindling purchasing power.

RayVA

June 26th, 2009
2:55 pm

That’s exactly the problem…liberals believe that because she graduated from an ivy league school she is automatically smarter than everbody else and who are we to question her decisions or motives…. libs and the media give a free pass to all of their dem idols…you libs have the common sense of a squirrel if you think we are just going to sit back and not question when needed and ridicule when necessary.

MIke

June 27th, 2009
11:10 pm

Sotomayor – the perfect affirmative action candidate for the Supreme Court – a second rate legal mind and a racist – The socialist must be thrilled – and Thomas Jefferson is ashamed.

Jean Baptiste

June 28th, 2009
9:15 am

The question is what Gov Sarah Palin has that Sotomayor doesen’t…so far and… will never have.
The real chance to be the first woman president of the United-States of
America. The responsibility to make the nomination ( judge like Sotomayor ) at the Alaska supreme court. Executive experience ?
Unlike senator Obama, sen Biden, sen MaCain, sen Hillary ,during the 2008 legendary race, Sarah Palin was the governor of a state.
Obama is no Colin Powell…