OK, so that’s a funny one, I admit

“It does indicate that men who oppose federal spending at the local level are irresistible to women.”
— Grover Norquist (H/T to TPM)

On the other hand, I can’t bring myself to read the emails apparently leaked between Mark Sanford and his Argentinian lover, and I hope that she’s allowed to keep at least some modicum of anonymity. Let that stuff stay private; prying further into the personal side of this mess is voyeurism at this point.

And as I said yesterday, I do think that in his press conference Sanford handled himself with as much dignity, grace and candor as one could muster in such a situation. I thought his references to God’s law, etc., were heartfelt as well. He was wrestling with a very real sense of personal failure on many levels, and he expressed that.

Personally, I was relieved when members of his staff — I’m guessing that’s who they were — walked up to escort him away from the microphone and podium, saving him and us from further excruciation. He should resign, and we should move on.

286 comments Add your comment

Paul

June 25th, 2009
3:34 pm

DoggoneGA

Sure it was. I’ve always said, if people can’t construct a good question, don’t get ticked at someone for a specific answer.

I did read where he underwent some sex addiction therapy. Good for him. Real good.

Bosch

I kinda hoped he woulda said “none of your business.” But too many people think that anything a politician does is their business.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:35 pm

Wait just a damn minute…..Farrah Fawcett was only on Charlie’s Angels for one year? Wow, what a year.

WhoCares

June 25th, 2009
3:35 pm

he should have had enough kahunas to go “yeah, I did it…so?”….” I mean c’mon! you’ve seen my wife….and my kid. You know it takes a really ugly mama to throw a child that looks like that. So Yeah I did an employee…on company time…on company property, and here’s the good part. My wife, my employer and even the Congress of the United States of America are all OK with it. Is this a great country or what?”

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
3:36 pm

PAUL–on looks, Mama was a big Vonnegut fan and we had a subscription to Playboy, yes for the articles, as she told us boys, “take a good look at it sons. First off there aren’t that many out there who look like that, second you probably won’t ever get one, and if you do, chances are you won’t keep it, and if you do, it’ll look like this (pointing to herself) in a few years…!

mm

June 25th, 2009
3:36 pm

Why don’t you wingnuts ever admit when one of your GOP elected officials screws up? He shouldn’t resign for boinking some chick. He should resign because he lost his pathetic court case and slithered away in embarassment without telling anyone where he was. He should resign for throwing education under the bus by not wanting to accept the stimulus money. But that’s the GOP way – Keep the voters dumbed down and fill them full of lies.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:38 pm

ty webb,

Yeah, something like that. :-)

As I said last night, it really is just alot more fun when a Republican gets busted for sex. Democrats are all morally inept and everyone expects it, right?

Paul

June 25th, 2009
3:38 pm

Bosch

[[Farrah Fawcett was only on Charlie’s Angels for one year?]]

No way -

sane jane

June 25th, 2009
3:39 pm

Why did Sanford choose to include “people of faith” in his list of people to whom he apologizes?

Are agnostics and atheists unworthy & ineligible to being offended by his antics & the lies proffered by his office?

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:39 pm

Paul@ 3:38,

That’s what the AJC article said. I’m gonna check that out.

findog

June 25th, 2009
3:39 pm

Just got a call from 877-648-0958 and talked to Brian, who works for a company he identified as Account Services.
They can reduce my interest rates on all the credit cards I don’t have.
Almost identical to the people who could help me get extended warranty’s on cars I don’t own…
Best part is that the number they called is a temporary office number for me at a hazardous waste site.
I love those robo-call companies; I look forward to the same offer to come to my cell phone!

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
3:42 pm

BOSCH–

I’ll watch that indefinate article if you’ll tell me what one is. And…I dont’ know the Code of Hammurabi either.

Indefinte article, “a, an”

Code of Hammurabi–google it…brought from Mesoptamia via Abraham of Ur which in turn gave rise to the principles on which the Judeo-Greco-Roman, Anglo-Norman, Anglo-American branch of Western Civilization is based. As Granddaddy said when teaching it to us, “it matters very little what you think about it, it’s the basis of the legal system under which you live and your opinions will mean very little in a court of law.”

Paul

June 25th, 2009
3:43 pm

Bosch

Really? So you mean, most of those episodes I watched were… reruns?

Man, I shoulda paid more attention to the plot.

On the other hand, why? I watched a lot of ‘em with the sound off!

josef

You had one cool mom -

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:43 pm

Paul,

Well, according the IMDB, she was a regular for one season and then sporadic appearances (six more) for the next season. I’m shocked.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm

Josef, Off subject, You read Playboy, so do you remember Barbi Benton?
Yowzer!! Any way, our unit Chaplin thought it would be fun to have a contest of “If you were an animal, what would you be and why”. the contest had a prize of a week in Tokyo. Most entrees were like , Atiger, for cunning and strength, etc. Mine, and much to the Chaplins chagrin, was the winner. I said I wanted to be Barbi Benton’s lap dog and the reason was obvious…

ty webb

June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm

Hey Bosch. That was directed at NJ/Chad.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm

Paul,

Charlies’ Angels had a plot? Really? Hmmm. I wonder what it was?

joseph,

I thought modern laws were based on Plato or Aristotle (no that’s medicine).

sane jane

June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm

MM, I kind of disagree with your assessment. Sanford shouldn’t resign for any of those reasons. He should resign for dereliction of duty.

He’s allowed to sue. He’s allowed to slither away for a few days. He simply needs to be clear and upfront with his staff & SLED. (you can still tell the press / public “nunya biz”… but his staff shouldn’t be putting out false statements. If they don’t know, they simply need to say “we don’t know” and deal. Not take a guess about him being in the AT.)

THAT is the offense, IMHO. Not the adultery, not the slinking off. That’s his biz. But giving the slip to SLED & having your office put out false statements (some of us call this “lying”) is a fatal blow.

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
3:46 pm

ty webb,

Well excuuuuuuusssssssse me. :-)

Turd Ferguson

June 25th, 2009
3:47 pm

Farrah has gone to that great detective agency in the sky.
Turn off the Fawcett, the party is over.
Heaven has one more angel and Charlie one less.

Rest sweet Princess…*A Tear*

Normal

June 25th, 2009
3:47 pm

Josef, I hope there is an after life…I want to meet your Grandaddy!

Paul

June 25th, 2009
3:48 pm

Normal

LOL! You coulda gone far in the military. Not sure where, but far-

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
3:48 pm

For the record, I feel just as I did yesterday–guy’s term is up next year, why bother resigning? Is it really going to cause the state any harm if he stays on and does his job?

Beyond the rather sad, but ultimately unimportant, little fibs he told prior to getting caught, I really don’t care about his extramarital affair. Obviously a lot of voters do, so I guess he won’t be seeking higher elected office anytime soon. Big whoop.

ty webb

June 25th, 2009
3:49 pm

Bosch,
I’ll be watching and rooting for Team USA Sunday. What are their chances?

Normal

June 25th, 2009
3:49 pm

I thought medicine was Hippocrates

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
3:51 pm

Are agnostics and atheists unworthy & ineligible to being offended by his antics & the lies proffered by his office?

What’s that you say? An elected official shows disrespect to those who don’t share his faith in monotheism? Shocking!

Normal

June 25th, 2009
3:51 pm

Paul

June 25th, 2009
3:48 pm
Normal

LOL! You coulda gone far in the military. Not sure where, but far-
————–
That was my problem…I’d say “So what are you going to do? Cut my hair and send mr to Viet Nam?” They said “Yep.”

getalife

June 25th, 2009
3:51 pm

“This is “very damaging stuff,” Sanford declared at one point, when details of Clinton’s conduct became known. “I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign)… I come from the business side,” he said. “If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he’d be gone.”

Explaining his decision to back impeachment articles against Clinton, he added, “I think what he did in this matter was reprehensible… I feel very comfortable with my vote.”

It’s the hypocrisy stupid.

Resign.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
3:52 pm

j-nix @ 3.36, gotta say–yer mum sounds nearly as cool as mine.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
3:53 pm

PAUL–yeah, she was. Miss her terribly but she does still come to visit, “whispering words of wisdom.”

pat

June 25th, 2009
3:55 pm

Damn, if he’d had just used a cigar, lied to the country and under oath to a grand jury, he’d would have gotten away with it…What a fool.

Doesn’t he know, only democrats are allowed to cheat.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
3:57 pm

NORMAL–how could anybody ever forget Barbi Benton! As for Granddaddy, he was, without a doubt, one of the best educated, best read, thinkers I ever will know. A patriarch of the Biblical tradition, at home in the modern world and answered only to his G-d and Granny!

Bosch

June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm

ty,

After yesterday, I’d say the US chances are pretty good! I’m so mad, I’ve got to drive to Atlanta during the game on Sunday, so I’ll miss it. Brazil and South Africa are tied 0-0 at 70 minutes. The Samba Kings don’t have the sure win either.

Redneck Convert

June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm

Well, I see the Terrists over in Somalia cut off a hand and foot of four guys they caught stealing cell phones and guns.

I wonder how they’d handle these guys that get caught cheating on their wife. Anyhow, it just goes to show you can’t trust nobody no more. All I got to say to the men on this blog is, Don’t let your wife get anywhere near a politican, no matter what party he belongs to. And don’t write nothing in a e-mail you don’t want to share with the whole world. Heck, don’t even write nothing on this blog you would be ashamed to have people know it was you that wrote it. You never know what paper or TV station is rooting around right now trying to find out your real name.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm

BOSCH–the Greek classics you mention were rescued from oblivion in the west through the efforts of Maimonides, father of the Renaissance who translated them into Latin from the Arabic texts and the Greek texts held in the University in Cairo…fascinating fellow, Maimonides.

Said Artistotle unto Plato,
“Would you like another sweet potato?
Said Plato unto Aristotle,
“Thank you, I prefer the bottle.”

TnGelding

June 25th, 2009
4:03 pm

I agree with you, Jay, Clinton should have resigned because he lied about his relationship with “that woman.” But the correct quote was “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs&feature=related

And as I’ve writtten here before, he was right. If he had she wouldn’t have been crying on Tripp’s shoulder. And for the record, again, she was a 22-year-old ex-intern at the time.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/08/17/time/clinton.html

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:04 pm

Pres Obama is threatening to veto the Defense bill. The House put in for 12 more F22s that are gonna cost billions and they also voted bunches more for a completely separate, additional engine for the F35.

Obama stands up to the Democratic corporate sellout! Yes!

sane jane

June 25th, 2009
4:04 pm

lol DB. I’m just saying, he could have apologized to everybody. Singling out “people of faith” and giving them an “extra special shout out” was strategically pointless and actually counterproductive.

(it offends freethinkers and doesn’t actually help mend fences with the religionists)

You know, if Republicans cared, that is.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:12 pm

NORMAL, PAUL–as y’all know our oldest has made a career of the military. When he came trying to recruit his little brother, J. said, “h**l, just go ahead and throw me in a ditch and shoot me, more time and cost effective.” Know I’m not supposed to say this, but he’s my favorite. Still got the first nickle he ever made, comes to visit “just cause I wanted to see y’all,” said he’d rather have the money than the college education, invested it wisely and managed to get through the meltdown without loosing a cent.

N.J

June 25th, 2009
4:14 pm

The problem is, that LEGALLY Ken Lay should not have been asking about Lewinsky AT ALL. Courts have ruled against the application of personal private life to try to have an elected official removed from office many times in the past starting during George Washington’s presidency, and they have been deemed as inadmissible in all cases.

There is no legal precedent for doing so. Getting him to lie under oath by asking a question which the courts have ruled should not play a part in determining a presidents qualifications for office OR anything to do with his job performance should simply have been thrown out of consideration to begin with.

In fact Hamilton turned over his love letters to the wife of a man who was blackmailing him over this, as proof that he was not involved in a counterfeiting scam that the woman’s husband was involved with. When Hamilton;s enemies tried to have him removed from office as Secretary of the Treasury, Congress ruled that an elected or appointed official could not be removed from office on the grounds of his personal life. Still Hamilton resigned because of the continual public scandal which were the result of his political enemies having the letters printed in every newspaper in the nation. But the principal established by Congress was to stay out of a persons personal life.

Scooter

June 25th, 2009
4:16 pm

Normal @ 2:51 pm,
I am with you! And,I want even ask what kind of steak it is.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
4:16 pm

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:12 pm
—————
The youngest always learn from the mistakes of the oldest…just ask my little sister..

Hotlanta

June 25th, 2009
4:17 pm

Wow being single looks better and better each day. I bet each man that leaves the house going to the store will have a Lo-Jack on their legs now.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 25th, 2009
4:22 pm

I bet each man that leaves the house going to the store will have a Lo-Jack on their legs now.

heh. for some Goddess-only-knows reason I am reminded of a brutal Fawlty Towers exchange:

Sybil: If I find out that money was yours you know what I’ll do Basil.
Basil (under his breath): You’ll have to sew them back on first.

Later, kids.

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
4:23 pm

Socialized countries can’t afford high tech weapons for protection…, as Obama’s European model for America dictates.

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
4:23 pm

Ty @ 3:34 : R-scandal bad, D-scandal not as bad!

You’re close. It’s “Moralizing Family Abandoner scandal bad, Non-Hypocritical scandal not as bad”.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:24 pm

NORMAL:

The youngest always learn from the mistakes of the oldest…just ask my little sister..

Not so sure about this, just ask my eight older siblings!

I’m the black sheep, ne’er do well, slow learner according to them! :-)

Eric

June 25th, 2009
4:25 pm

What’s the big deal about Sanford anyway? As with Clinton, why should his private affairs automatically negate his obviously outstanding political career/talent? Reason: our society is punitive, plain and simple. No forgiveness whatsoever, and no ability to separate work ethic from bedroom ethic. Too bad!

@@

June 25th, 2009
4:26 pm

Uh Oh! the meeting between Mitchell and Netanyahu is off. Let’s see how it’s being played, shall we?

Netanyahu’s spokesman said the meeting was called off so that the Americans and Israelis could have more time to “clarify some issues.” But Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot then published a report citing an unnamed Israeli official, who said the U.S. administration had sent the following “stern” message to Netanyahu: “Once you’ve finished the homework we gave you on stopping construction in the settlements, let us know. Until then, there’s no point in having Mitchell fly to Paris to meet you.”

The U.S. explanation for the scrapped meeting was much tamer: State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Netanyahu and Mitchell had canceled the meeting so that Mitchell could meet first with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak next Monday in Washington. It is still unclear who canceled on whom, but the Israelis seem intent on giving the impression that the Americans are the ones being unreasonable.

Between “BaRock” and a hard place thanks to Iran’s showing their true colors.

Stratfor alluded to this outcome right after Obama’s speech in Cairo — boxing himself in in hopes of…

The left and human rights organizations are now opposed to any negotiations with a regime that violently oppresses dissent.

The right has always been leery of negotiations but would have, at least, welcomed a president who spoke out in no uncertain terms against Iranian suppression.

Now it’s Netanyahu’s turn:

Now, Israel sees a U.S. president who is getting hammered at home for his Iran strategy —and whose options on dealing with Iran are dwindling rapidly on the international front.

Obama desperately wants to avoid harsher actions against Iran for fear that Russia will use Iran as a geopolitical lever. The Russians are already hinting privately that they can make the Iran issue more complicated for Washington, through strategic weapons sales, should the Americans fail to meet Moscow’s demands in Eurasia. In essence, Obama is fast becoming stuck in the same mess that ensnared a number of presidents before him.

The swift kick of reality/geopolitics.

Thank G_d there are grown-ups looking after him.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:26 pm

RealityKing

[[Socialized countries can’t afford high tech weapons for protection]]

You wanna see if there’s some way to delete that post?

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
4:27 pm

That’s right NJ, Clinton didn’t have to answer the question.
But he did, and lied. And as we all know, lying to a grand jury IS against the law. No matter how you define the word is..

mike

June 25th, 2009
4:27 pm

“He should resign, and we should move on.”

After a few days of gloating, you mean?

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:31 pm

@@

[[Thank G_d there are grown-ups looking after him.]]

Who?

Boy, talk about meddling….

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
4:31 pm

No Paul, the socialized countries of Europe will collapse like a house of cards if it ever faces a modern enemy without the US at its back.., as history dictates.

Midori

June 25th, 2009
4:32 pm

Republicans are hypocritical idiots.

plain and simple.

just reading some of the excuses, and attacks on Lewinsky’s looks only validate that opinion.

you losers can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it.

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
4:33 pm

@@ @ 4:26 – Nice try, sweetums. Typical Republican’t Subject-Changing, there…

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
4:33 pm

And nuclear bombs are not that high tech if thats were you going. Heck even NK and Iran are building them.

Normal

June 25th, 2009
4:33 pm

I’m the black sheep, ne’er do well, slow learner according to them!
—————-
If this is true, then I don’t even want to think about it…What are they? Freakin’ Einsteins? Well, ne’er do well I can believe…hehe

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
4:36 pm

Not that 12 planes will make near as much difference to our protection as the billions in design and research cuts..

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:37 pm

RealityKing

I believe what you posted was they can’t afford to buy modern weapons.

Frederick Douglass

June 25th, 2009
4:37 pm

pat @ 3:55, I can’t vouch for that other stuff, but how can we know that Sanford didn’t use a cigar?

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:38 pm

@@-Interesting post. You know I confess a politically incorret admiration for Bibi (Hebrew Tarzan) and I don’t give much of a rat’s derriere what the pack claiming the Great One is “putting him in his place.” His place is to take care of bidness as soon as he’s told “sic ‘em, boy” on Iran by the current administration.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:42 pm

NORMAL–well, by their standards I am. Just a little sidelight here for the GOP bashers. My brother, the one who when asked as a lad what he wanted to be when he grew up said, “a capitlaist running dog of imperialism,” recently died. A “log cabin Republican,” he left a tidy estate and the bulk of it went to his pretty-boy, who “sent me to my reward with a smile on my face. Money may not can buy happiness, but it can sure make the payments on it.”

That's just sick

June 25th, 2009
4:44 pm

Well, it is all Obama’s fault. Limbaugh finally got a round to telling his audience this little known “fact”. It’s true.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:44 pm

RealityKing

[[And nuclear bombs are not that high tech if thats were you going]]

Nope.

[[Not that 12 planes will make near as much difference to our protection as the billions in design and research cuts..]]

I believe they’re past design, research, development and testing and on into production and fielding into the active force.

@@

June 25th, 2009
4:44 pm

GGG:

How much discussion can be had about a politician gone astray. It’s not like it doesn’t happen everyday or at least it seems that way.

Mark Sanford.

Leaders within the GOP are calling for his resignation.

The Media (L) are enjoying a field day to distract from Obama impending failures.

The voters of S.C. should have the final say. They voted him in. If they’ve lost confidence, for whatever reason, they should be given the opportunity to vote him out next go-round.

To me it’s pretty simple.

We can talk this party or that party but the bottom line is they feel a sense of entitlement. Why shouldn’t they?….too many of us make them feel all too important.

@@

June 25th, 2009
4:47 pm

Paul:

Who?

Gates to be specific.

Scooter

June 25th, 2009
4:47 pm

Midori @ 4:32 pm,
When you walk do you make counter clockwise loops!

sane jane

June 25th, 2009
4:48 pm

Eric, re Sanford’s “outstanding political career/talent”

Are you even slightly aware of the frosty relationship he has with fellow GOPpers in the legislature? To call it “ineffective and adversarial” would be putting it lightly.

But hey, don’t let reality interfere with your glowing review.

TGT

June 25th, 2009
4:49 pm

NJ at 3:28 “I don’t care who my auto mechanic is screwing if he can fix my car. I don’t care who my president, governor or senator is screwing as long as they are capable of doing their job. If they are capable of doing both at the same time, the more power to them. In fact those who can usually have made better presidents than the simpering moralizing idiots who cant.”

Thank you for clarifying the liberal position when it comes to moral issues. A couple of questions though: If you’re so amoral, why does hypocrisy bother you? I mean if you’re okay with adultery, why not hypocrisy? Would you not care if the adultery were taking place with your spouse, sibling, parent, etc.?

It’s not that (most) liberals are immoral or amoral, it’s that they are selectively moral in the classic postmodern sense.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
4:49 pm

@@

Now that I’ll agree with.

That's just sick

June 25th, 2009
4:56 pm

I thought the hypocrisy issue had been addressed earlier — Sanford is one of those “holier than thou” types that spoke out against Clinton and how bad he was. Shoe’s on the other foot. Clear.

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
4:56 pm

So what? Another pious fraud and fake family values fat cat gets caught with his Johnson in Buenos Aires.

But as has been alluded to here earlier by one of the faithful, it’s his wife’s fault.

No wonder they keep getting trounced every other November…

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
4:57 pm

TGT

“It’s not that (most) liberals are immoral or amoral, it’s that they are selectively moral in the classic postmodern sense.”

I’m a left liberal myself and while we might disagree on a number of points, on this one I agree.

DC

June 25th, 2009
5:00 pm

Everyone is zeroing in on the sex issue and resignation. Take that issue out of the picture. Now, examine this. Your governor goes missing. Know one seems to know where he or she is. The Lieutenant Governor says he doesn’t have a clue. The commanding General of the National Guard doesn’t have a clue. The State’s Emergency Management Director doesn’t have a clue where his boss is. His staff thinks he is somewhere he is not. His wife doesn’t know where he is. He has been known to do this before.

How would you rate this Governor’s performance?

getalife

June 25th, 2009
5:01 pm

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:02 pm

L-rd! I WISH the GOP had the market cornered on hypocrisy! Prop 8, preacher Warren, DADT, DOMA brief, that “memo.” With a “fierce advocate” like that, who needs the GOP? Just askin’ sittin over here on the Fifth Circle of Dante’s Inferno…

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:03 pm

DC

“How would you rate this Governor’s performance?”

Par for the course? :-)

RealityKing

June 25th, 2009
5:03 pm

They don’t really buy them Paul, its called foreign aid..

That's just sick

June 25th, 2009
5:04 pm

Enter your comments here

GayGrayGeek

June 25th, 2009
5:04 pm

@@ @ 4:44 – Unfortunately, the voters of SC have no chance to vote him out office. He’s in his second term, reelected in 2006 thanks to using my husband and myself as his “whippin’ boys” to Get Out The Base to vote on his Marriage Discrimination Amendment to the SC state constitution. We lived in Columbia at the time; the rhetoric and hate spewed by Sanford and his supporters was breathtaking, even taking into account that SC is the State Of Secession And Bigotry (seen the Big Flag that flies right in front of the SC state capitol building in Columbia?).

Our experience in South Carolina in 2006, following our experience in Georgia in 2004, and followed by our difficulties in Tennessee in 2008 when I had to go to an ER due to back problems, are why he and I now reside in a northern exurb of Toronto less than 12 km. from where we were legally married in 2007.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:07 pm

getalife–thanks, been wondering what she looked like…kinda scrawny if you astin’ me…

TGT

June 25th, 2009
5:09 pm

josef: At least we can agree on something.

GreenJeans

June 25th, 2009
5:09 pm

Twenty years later we’re still arguing over “Family Values”…what does it mean and who’s got ‘em.

“Family Values” is another nonsensical phrase of buzzwords, meant to stimulate an emotional response, but in reality means different things to different folks – even among Republicans. Clearly.

File it along with their other nonsensical gems like “Culture of Life.”

Any day of the week I will put my stock in the person who simply does the right thing, whether it is by his family or his colleagues. And they’re found on both sides of the political spectrum.

The only reason disgraced and indiscrete republicans invite so much ridicule is because, since Reagan, the party has hitched its wagon to the religious extremists. It isn’t that Democrats don’t have any more or less morals than Republicans; it’s just that Democrats haven’t come down the pike making a big, brayin’, prayin’-in-public deal about their piety.

I’ll share a bit of a quote from Charles Swindoll. This has been on my desk for ages, and sums up my thoughts about personal strength:

“Courage is not limited to the battlefield or the Indianapolis 500 or bravely catching a thief in your house.

“The real tests of courage are much deeper and much quieter.

“They are the inner tests, like remaining faithful when nobody’s looking, like enduring pain when the room is empty, like standing alone when you’re misunderstood.”

How many of our politicians have that kind of courage?

Dusty

June 25th, 2009
5:10 pm

Hmmm..well. I guess the next topic will be Bookman’s “Discussing Sanford ad nauseam is a Public Service”. To Democrats, that is.

Paul

June 25th, 2009
5:10 pm

Reality King

French have gone their own way for years. Germans build some great systems. Brits, too. Some, at times, have been superior to ours.

Even socialists develop good weapons systems.

@@

June 25th, 2009
5:12 pm

Well congratulations GGG.

Although that Big Flag holds no significance for me, I’m sure it does for descendants of those who died in the Civil War.

When it comes to the confederate flag I’ve often wondered how I would feel if someone decided that the American Flag was seen as a personal insult to some. Would I want it changed?

Not on your life.

getalife

June 25th, 2009
5:13 pm

URGENT — TMZ.com reports that Michael Jackson has been taken to hospital in Los Angeles in cardiac arrest.

Probably od’d.

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:15 pm

GreenJeans–you sound like one of them thar moderates…be prepared to git shot in the arse left and right…

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 25th, 2009
5:20 pm

The Iranian authorities have ordered the family of Neda Agha Soltan out of their Tehran home after shocking images of her death were circulated around the world. . . .

The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said. . . .

Yeah, we don’t wanna talk about Obozo-

“We have provided a path whereby Iran can reach out to the international community, engage and become a part of international norms,” Obama said at a news conference. “It is up to them to make a decision as to whether they choose that path.”

Moron!

@@

June 25th, 2009
5:21 pm

Getalife:

Leave it to you to find a picture of “the woman”. I don’t know why but I was thinking Brazillian woman.

AmVet

June 25th, 2009
5:21 pm

GreenJeans, well said.Thanks for the pics getalife.

There are only five people I feel sorry for, the cheat’s wife and those four boys. Great legacy their scumbag dad leaves them huh?

Certainly not the politically partisans and fools there, here and elsewhere who shuck and grin for him and his fellow charlatans…

Paul, I may be sticking my snout in where it doesn’t belong, but are you having another of those “we spend as much as the rest of the planet COMBINED – about $1,000,000,000,000 every single year – and it still isn’t enough” discussions?

Lets make the rubble dance!

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:21 pm

@@–got one for you on this. When the hooplah was brewing here in Georgia, the Indigenous American Unmentionable made the point, “well if we’re going to buy their line, then let’s take down the stars and stripes, how do you think my red a** feels looking at that? And do be reminded that the Indian Nations of Oklahoma joined with the Confederacy as equal nations and the Confederacy stands as the only American government to have never broken a treaty with the Indians.”

And, no, he wasn’t advocating removal of our national banner, just making the point that the arguments over “sensitivity” were somewhat specious and hypoctitical.

That's just sick

June 25th, 2009
5:22 pm

I don’t recall any lefties taking pot shots at real moderates — just at those right wingers that suddenly proclaim themselves to be moderate when they obviously are not. As for the right wingers, they always shoot toward the left. Their numbers continue to dwindle as a result.

Dusty

June 25th, 2009
5:24 pm

What? Don’t know what family values are? Then I guess you never had any.

Scooter

June 25th, 2009
5:24 pm

GGG @ 5:04 pm,
Thanks for moving to Canada!

Normal

June 25th, 2009
5:28 pm

Whiner: your 5:20…That is the most inane thing I have read from you, and I thought some others were hard to top. Tell me, do you open your mouth just to hear yourself pass gas? Just askin’…

Normal

June 25th, 2009
5:29 pm

Josef, I’m leaving work here in about a half hour, you working tomorrow too?

@@

June 25th, 2009
5:31 pm

!?!hypocTITIcal!?! josef????

Let me guess

a typo after looking at the 5:21 bait I set out for Getalife?

Tom

June 25th, 2009
5:31 pm

Let’s get real here! American men are soooo weak and needy. Terrified of
women. A desperate NEED to prove their make-believe “masculinity” every day to those arond them – but mostly to THEMSELVES. Pitiful and true. You Go, Little Wee-Wee Guys!

josef nix

June 25th, 2009
5:33 pm

NORMAL–@ 5:28, bless his heart. And you be nice, not all of us had mama’s who taught us to cover our mouths…

“…keep talkin’ ’bout the president won’t stop air pollution, put your hand on your mouth when you cough, that’ll help the solution…”
Staple Singers