The one decision that doomed Bush’s presidency

Only one bad decision? Whiner, Bush wasn’t President in the 1980’s…

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“Considering that Bush has been the most successful president from the early 1980’s all the way through today, I don’t know what you are jabbering about.”

Andy why do you hate Ronald Reagan?

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Still haven’t figured out how to square Barry’s new vocal position on Iran, that he claims has been his full throated position all along, with all your glowing praise over his keeping mum being just the right thing to do I see.

It’s always easier to throw out a little red meat to the diehards than it is to think critically about the realities of the present and those currently in power.

With that I’ve got an early day in the forest. I’ll email you a picture if I spot Sanford and Bigfoot out frolicking.

Later!

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Jay, You’re just genetically flawed. It should be embarrasing for you to refer to somebody else as “something of a nut.” Check the mirror
Bill

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Cheney’s influence waned and Condi Rice finally began to assert herself. And the real break, I suspect, came when Bush realized in the summer of 2005 that he had been misled by Cheney and his minions about their role in the Valerie Plame episode.

Seems like the most plausible explanation, but then there’s also the possibility that those voices furiously working to cover their butts these days just happen to be uttering that version of reality most loudly at the moment.

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I always thought that President Bush’s biggest mistake was his failure to use the tragedy of 911 and stand as a strong leader of a wounded nation, bring the world wide sympathy together, and join nations into working together for a common cause…Instead he sold it all for a few cheap Republican gains, failed to go after Bin Laden, started an unnecessary and unwanted war, spent like a drunken sailor, and set the rest of the world against us. You did a heckofa job, Georgie…Just sayin’

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Geez, these liberals can’t even comprehend a timeline on their own-

Considering that Bush has been the most successful president from the early 1980’s all the way through today

Which illicited this mouth breathing response-

Only one bad decision? Whiner, Bush wasn’t President in the 1980’s

You reckon? Gosh, what we would ever do without your care and guidance, Abnormal?

Andy why do you hate Ronald Reagan?

Ronald Reagan was elected president in the early 80’s, perhaps this might be why I said “the early 80’s.”

Are you libs fried out this morning or what?

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The fact of the matter is only time will tell… Bush will be judged on Iraq. If a democratic Iraq exist in 10 years, then it will be hard to continue to bash him. Bush made plenty of mistakes, but I respect the man who made it his number one priority to protect the citizens of this country first. That’s nothing to be embarrassed about.

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Well I guess if you can’t find something positive to say about your guy in office now, all’s that’s left is to bash Bush…..Again. Why stop there? If Bush left such a mess for Obama to clean up surely if was because Bush was so busy trying to clean up Clinton’s mess?

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Whiner- your 8:38: Nice wiggle…close, but no cigar, Brutus…Just sayin’

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Articles like this are why newspapers are going bankrupt all over the country.

Funny how talk radio is flourishing though.

Go ahead and keep dwelling on mean old George W. Bush. There is not too much positive to say about our current president. His only accomplishment is the fact that he is black.

AJC and all newspapers going out of business, talk radio flourishing. Have to love it.

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Jay: Very impressive.

We are so fortunate that you choose to share with us the clear picture that you bring into focus when you turn your penetrating, and unbiased, vision onto the subject of George Bush. What is it, 9 years now?

Furtunate indeed?

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Some documents from the Nixon administration that were just released give us some new insight into the mindset of another past president, for what good it does.

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Am Vet: Depends on how many Presidents we end up having. He might rank higher than Calvin Coolidge.

HDB: Don’t forget NCLB and the generous business it rewarded his friends with.

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As I survey the Middle East today, I haven’t seen any sign of The Messiah’s changes. The president’s campaign slogan must have been casually spawned while musing the daily rotation of his BVD’s on a trip to the Middle East. OK, I get it now. Change, periodically. Brilliant.

‘cept for the abject bowing, bending-over, grovelling and the lack of any end game, Obama’s change is wa-a-a-a-a-a-y better than Bush [sarc]. I mean, heck, he shuffled the pieces on the ME board game and thought presto, OBL will be caught, Iran de-nuked, Afghanistan stablized. Uh, well, almost.

And lawd knows, we don’t want to compare Cheney with Joe Biden. Best to keep people’s attention on the previous VP rather than the current one.

Change you can believe in.

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Sam

June 24th, 2009
8:44 am
Bush spending like a drunken sailor, have you paid attention to Obozo lately….Geeesh!!
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Sam if this is all you can find to pick on, then you must think that the rest of my post is true. Is that it?

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Bad staff! Bad, Bad Staff! Shame on you for not telling the poor media details that were none of their business to begin with. Bad Staff! What do you think this is? The AJC?

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Jay do you remember when Bush was first elected and you tried to explain the mistake the country had just made? How you tried to explain what needed to be done to stop the Republicans, who held both the executive branch and legislative would become obsessed with their own power and bring this country down?

Do you remember how the partisan republicans and conservatives (not always the same thing) kept going “OOoohh that Clinton!” over and over? Remember how they remained blind to what was going on and just focused that hate on Clinton? How whenever you brought anything up it was “but Clinton?”

I do. I never liked W. I hated the fact that he had a republican congress and executive and there were no checks on our government and legislation was passed without thoughtful review. I was ashamed that W did not lift his veto pen for 6 years. Pork ran rampant and spending increased.

Now, things are the same. I do not like our president and hate the fact that the congress is also democratic, so there are no checks on their power and they are passing legislation without any thoughtful review. I try to explain to people that we need checks on power and our country will be bankrupt in a flurry of spending and pork and ridiculous taxes like cap and trade when NASA tells us we are cooling. Obama’s veto pen is starting to get dusty.

But what happens now? I am stuck with a bunch of partisan democrats and liberals (not always the same thing) who respond to any attempt at thoughtful discussion with “OOOoohh that Bush!” And when I try to discuss the ludicrous things going on in Washington all I get is “But Bush . . .”

Thanks for throwing fuel on the fire Jay. Use that old Republican strategy of keeping focus away from what’s actually going on by feeding on hate for the old administration. We’ll all go down together, see you at the bottom.

On the presidents scale recently
worst: Obama
2nd worst, by a hair: Bush
Looking better all the time: Clinton

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Jay –

you’re forgetting – CHENEY CHOSE HIMSELF!!! He headed up the Veep search … and after poring through loads of resumes and conducting countless interviews, he decided that the BEST person to serve as Veep was … HIMSELF.

oh, yeah, the puppetmaster was at work from Day 1

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Bush must have done a lot right to get the libs to hate him so much.

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USinUK (your name is hard to type),

As DB told me the other day when we had a similar thing happen – “Get out of my head!”

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Jay, you are moonbat! How goes the job search?

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USinUK,

Yeah, that’s better.

The other sounds sort of mean.

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USinUk, you are right about Cheney, of course, but George W. wore the title of President of the United States of America. “Puppet” doesn’t even begin to describe it. The last administration should be considered an insult by all of the people of this country, some just don’t get it.

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whocares – I think one of us has to yell “JINX!!! youowemeacoke!”

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Man,

I know ms. gawdzilla, copyleft, and byteme are superficial morons but this whine guy is a complete retard.

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“Again Jay, this is newsworthy?”

In case you didn’t notice…this is an OPINION page, not a NEWS page.

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These right wing apologists on here are really pathetic. In one “breath” they proclaim that all we need to do is wait ten or more years to bear the fruit of the GeeWhiz legacy (if it is anything like the rotted fruit we’re getting from Bonzo’s sidekick, Ronnie, we’re doomed…) and in the next “breath”, they ask what Obama is waiting for.

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TF –

awww … you seem to think that we’re alike, the left and right. see, here are the 2 key differences:

1) the folks on the left don’t see criticism of the president as TREASON – we see it as a responsibility.

2) unlike the folks on the right and their treatment of W as the Messiah, we HAVE criticized our president for letting us down with things like DADT policy, secrecy, etc

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What’s the matter Bookman…your guy sucks and is screwing the country so you you need to deflect attention and go back and write an article on Bush to focus away from Osama (yes, that’s correct) and his crappy administration. You are just old news! Move on!

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Gwinecian –

““YouzeinYook”” – ooooo … I like that …

Hartford. where to begin. first there’s the weather – I mean, snow starting in November straight through until March-ish. And cold. ohmygod. My first full winter up there, we had an entire month where the high didn’t break above freezing. that’s just not right.

and the people just don’t want to know you unless they have to. cold. taciturn. not chatty, friendly folks like you get below the M-D.

but the autumns were pretty.

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On the surface this perceived Bush-bashing serves little purpose. And after months of personally excoriating him and his abysmal record, I chose forge ahead after January 20, 2009.

But as the more devout of us Hebes say regarding the holocaust, “Never forget”.

It highlights how those who voted for that awful administration – most twice – have cast their lot with the greatest modern day failure in US history.

Some – those who have left the once Grand Old Party or who at least rue enabling these deadly crooks – have learned their lesson, it would seem.

But those that defiantly, and in the face of 30 year old mountains of irrefutable evidence, remain on the lunatic fringe as apologists and deniers, are infinitely more interesting.

Clinging desperately to their angry god and their loaded guns, they are the very face of disregarded fanaticism, unrequited bloodlust, intellectual poverty, moral pettiness and political bankruptcy.

My advice is simple:

Step One – Admit you are powerless over Bushitis and that your lives had become unmanageable.

Move on to Step Two…

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Lots of points, there.

I’ve maintained that, from his perspective as a Congressman, then as a member of the Executive, VP Cheney came in to service with Pres Bush, in part, to strengthen what he saw as the rights and perquisites of the Executive. Did the pendulum swing a bit far? It usually does.

And now, in several areas, the Obama Administration is continuing the policies championed by VP Cheney. One of the most ironic to Cheney detractors: all the angst over secret energy meetings with oil executives? What was the source of suit against the Obama Administration’s secrecy in who they met with? Yup – secret energy meetings with coal executives!

I’m trying, Mrs. G… I really am….

The Libby thing: I realize this will directly contradict the “Bush is a liar to his core” crowd, Bush commuted the jail sentence but left standing the conviction for obstruction and lying to a federal investigator. Bush answered this:

[["I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said, he had concluded that the prison sentence was excessive. Bush's statement also noted that those who defended the prosecution of Libby "argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable."]]

Those who view Bush as a liar won’t buy it and will probably default to the Cheney speculation. That’s easier, I suppose, than reconsidering one’s assumptions.

Plame was touched on. The drama may finally be over.

[[The Supreme Court will not revive a lawsuit that former CIA operative Valerie Plame brought against former members of the Bush administration.

The court on Monday refused to hear an appeal from Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

A lower court last year threw out the lawsuit in which Plame and Wilson accused former Vice President Dick Cheney and several former high-ranking administration officials of revealing her identity to reporters in 2003. Plame and Wilson said that violated their constitutional rights...

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said that Plame and Wilson did not meet the legal standard for constitutional claims...

The leak touched off a lengthy investigation that resulted in Libby's conviction for obstruction and lying to investigators. Jurors found that he told reporters about Plame and lied about it to the FBI and a federal grand jury...

Nobody was ever charged with the leak itself...]]

Some people should just accept when their fifteen minutes of fame are over.

And the Democratic Congress //still// hasn’t amended the law to prevent this from happening again. I guess they know, unlike Plame, when the 15 minutes of political theater are over.

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Right on Ramble On! Yes, Bookman we certainly will see what history has to say. Will you also be telling us why liberal newspapers failed?

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The one problem with your argument, Jay, is that you assert that Bush “choose” Cheney.

Bush was chosen by the Project for a New American Century, of which, Cheney was a ranking member.

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“easily distracted by shiney objects”

hey! that’s usually my line!!!

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USinUK

G’morning. Or afternoon, as the case may be. Don’t know if you saw it the other day, but

Plaice. Outstanding.

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“Bush was chosen by the Project for a New American Century, of which, Cheney was a ranking member.”

And of course they FORCED Bush to accept him as VP, right? Interesting how easily he gave up the power to choose his VP, isn’t it?

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LOL…Not goona splain a thing…LOL. Just behaving like your double-talking leader…I guess.

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http://gawker.com/5301828/dick-cheney-gets-a-book-deal

The bunker diaries.

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“And of course they FORCED Bush to accept him as VP, right? Interesting how easily he gave up the power to choose his VP, isn’t it?”

A good salesman (Rove) can convince a person to buy something and further convince the person that the idea to buy that something was the buyer’s in the first place.

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Kamchak,

2:30! Right? Exciting!!!

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Why do the wingnuts always attack a democrat for using our military but cheer on a republican for doing it?

Obama must be doing something right because he is driving the wingnuts crazy.

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Normal…you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush? LOL that’s hilarious…Just sayin’

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“But really Jay, can’t we just let this go?”

No, we can’t. We’re going to be dealing with, and living under, the “results” of the decisions made during his reign for a LONG time.

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GOP = Hypocrisy

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Bosch

Yes, I’ll be watchin’. Are you following the story of the Iranian players that were “retired” because of their green arm bands? Didn’t someone say something about politics and futbol?

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Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
9:45 am
Normal…you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush? LOL that’s hilarious…Just sayin’
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I supported him with all I could give him up until 911. Almost forgave him then, but he had to go and do Iraq. I tried. Are you trying? Just askin’…

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“you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush?”

Bush had all the support he could ever hope for after 911. He blew it.

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Cheney/Satin 2012

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mm,

It might be that the democratic presidents use our military more than Republicans.
WWI – Wilson D
WWII – Roosevelt – D
Korea – Truman – D
Viet Nam – Kennedy – D
Tonkin Bay Resolution – Johnson – D
Grenada – Reagan – R
Kuwait – Bush I – R
Afghanistan – Bush II – R Up the ante Obama – D
Iraq – Bush II – R

Not a judgment call, just statistics.

I guess my earlier post was not partisan enough to draw a response. Or is it that ya’ll have no defense? Jay has none.
Iraq

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Here you go whiner. A short list of why we’ll be paying for W’s incompetence and epic failure for 20 years or more:

Contractors Failing Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan
No Child Left Behind a Complete Failure. Standards lowered.
Student Loan Scandal.
Katrina: FEMA trailers with Formaldehyde
Katrina: Complete Failure to provide assistance during Katrina
Katrina: Flood Protection a joke.
Katrina: New Orleans still in trouble years later.
No Sustainable energy policy other than bomb Iraq
Foreign Oil Dependence has Grown
No planning on Refinery Bottleneck still squeezes supply
No work on modernizing our electrical grid
Climate Chante: Hide and edit the assessments
No advance of Climate Change policy
Science Policy Politicized
Mountaintop Coal Mining alters Appalachia
EPA misleads on Air Quality after 9/11
TARP: Wrote blank check to banks, no oversight, no one kept track of where the money went
Skyrocketing Deficit.
No oversight on Credit Default Swaps and bank leveraging asset ratios
Lax oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
SEC allowed Investment Banks to to go unregulated
More corps pay less taxes
Audit rates for the rich fall, audits of poor spike
US companies hiding revenues offshore
Mismanagement and Cronyism at HUD
Medicare Fraud completely out of control
50 million Americans without health insurance
Torture
CIA renditions
Politicization of Department of Justice
Arbitray detention at Guantanamo
No immigration reform
30 Billion dollar Virtual fence a failure
First responders STILL cannot communicate with each other in case of disaster
FBI abuses power to obtain citizen information
Agencies failed to share intelligence on 9/11 terrorists
Pakistan remains Al Qaeda Haven
FBI failure to create a modern secure computer network
Terrorist watch list mismanged
Lack of due process for terrorism suspects
US guns arming mexican caztels
Utterly false premise for going to war
Abu Ghraib
Poor health care for Vets
Blackwater
Military failure to secure Iraq after invasion, looting.
Lack of armored protection for troops
Incompetent planning for post-invasion Iraq
Loss of Billions in cash in Iraq
Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan
190,000 missing weapons in Iraq
Failure to modernize Air Traffic Control
FAA in the dark on airline maintenance issues
Record delays in air travel
FAA inspectors in bed with airlines
Abuse of Executive Power
Excessive Executive Secrecy
Signing statements used to thwart laws
Vice President’s Office exempts itself from Information safeguards (laws)
Executive Office of the President “Loses” E-mails
Harriot Myers
Alberto Gonzalez

Seriously, Whiner, get a clue before you hurt someone.

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wow … cheney is running with satin???

is that like Obama is a muslin?

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While dredging up Bush isn’t ancient history, it is history. Let it go already. And BTW, you made so many statements that can not be confirmed or denied that it makes this topic ridiculous.

“he was nominally the guy in charge”. You don’t know that – conjecture

“once Rumsfeld — Cheney’s guy — was gone from the Pentagon, Cheney’s influence waned”. You don’t know that – conjecture

“Bush realized in the summer of 2005 that he had been misled by Cheney and his minions about their role in the Valerie Plame episode.”. You don’t know that – conjecture

“but I suspect that incident opened Bush’s eyes to what had been happening in his own White House, and broke whatever trust remained with his vice president”. Admitted conjecture.

Quite making up stuff and stick to the facts. And while you are at it, let’s discuss how we are going to finance all of the CURRENT proposed govt spending.

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Nice analysis of military policy AtlantaNative (idiot). Your analysis is unassailable and shows absolute positive proof.

And a chilly day in May proves that there is no global warming too. I smoked a cigarette once and I don’t have cancer – proof positive.

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George American…Bless your heart…Just sayin’

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Jay…….Need to stick to what you do best….Write JOKES for the 50-percent unEmployed of Atlanta.

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Jay Bookman refers to Cheney as “a bit of a nut,” and every day Biden opens a gallon can of nuts and worms for Obama’s snacking enjoyment. The Bookmans of the world can’t sell papers, because the Obama supporters don’t read the news. It’s too, like, depressing, so they, like, just listen to, like, their BFFs for the tune to sing next.

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If I recall Carter and Clinton both tried to use the military but things didn’t turn out too well for us.

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I’m kinda glad things turned to the whole kneejerk “Oh, like you libs supported BUSH?” conversation-stopper-thingie I hear a lot from conservatives because I’ve wanted to get seriously personal about this whole issue of who-supported-whom-when for a while. Here goes.

Was I angry about FL in 2000? Hell yeah. Every bit as much the next Gore voter. But Gore had made a gracious speech and said of contesting the election, “It’s time for me to go”– and that went a very long way toward me giving Bush a very serious break.

I was told to get over the election and I really tried to move on. I actually saw some merit in the legislative wheeling and dealing Bush attempted pre-9/11, specifically his efforts to tie domestic oil drilling to raising CAFE standards.

(And hell, NCLB?–even Cynthia McKinney supported that!)

Bush’s approval ratings immediately after 9/11 weren’t in the stratosphere for nothing. We really were united behind him. I would’ve gone anywhere, done anything to get the fanatical SOBs that had attacked MY city. I took that attack about as personally as anyone, since that’s the metro area I’d called home most of life prior to moving to GA.

And yeah, I actually supported invading Iraq. I was one of those sad blue-dog/DLC types who actually thought Joe Lieberman wasn’t a total dick; what can I say.

Conservatives, I think, like to believe that people like me wound up turning against Bush as vehemently as we did because it was fashionable, because we do as we’re told, yadda yadda. All I can do is speak for myself and say plainly that breaking away from the New Republic, centrist Democrat mind-set, recognizing that Iraq was an abject failure and that we had been had and should’ve known better, that was fracking painful.

Fact was, though, that Bush got a more or less free ride from me for a good solid two-plus years into his term. And I ask nothing more than that of my principled conservative brethren.

And yeah, I know that there are plenty who do, actually–they just don’t generally post here, is all.

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whocares – as for Clinton’s use of the military, I think the people of Bosnia would disagree with your assessment

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DB: Well said and from the heart…I like that…

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Atlanta Native –

then how about now setting it up as “seee!!! DEMS are worse war mongerers than the GOP!!! so there!!!”

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Argh, mis-wrote @ 10.17. Obviously I don’t expect anyone to give Obama a “free ride” (I certainly don’t) but rather something akin to the benefit of the doubt.

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Report/Whine 10:16

Congressman Barney Frank is going back on O’Reilly tonight. Two-parter, I think.

Amazing. He goes on, they both go through their schtick, leftwing sites cut and paste and go on about it for days… then BOR invites him again and Frank is right back on.

Oh, this morning an anchor asked BOR ‘you gonna ask him about (getting some deal for a Boston company). BOR said ‘hey look, the guy’s a Congressman. It’s his job to preserve jobs in his district. If I was a Congressman I’d be doing the same thing.”

How could a neoconfascistRepublicanapologist say such a thing?!!?

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Great post DB.

As for UK, I did not set it up like that, it’s just how you read it.

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“whocares – as for Clinton’s use of the military, I think the people of Bosnia would disagree with your assessment”

USinUK

I’ll give you that one, I forgot about that. I was referring to that little episode in Somolia.

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Icon, you left out the swine flu, Michael Phelps smoking pot, and Anna Nicole Smith (he drove’em both to drugs).

I think he was/is also a major reason the Braves haven’t been to the playoffs in a few years.

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Paul- I sincerely hope that O’Pinko calls Frank “mam” and not “senator.”

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Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
10:27 am
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I’m sorry man, I thought you had a clue…President Obama inherited this. The economy was falling before he took office, as was the rest of it. As of now, I only question why the heck President Obama wanted the job in the first place…Just sayin…

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whocares –

Somalia – tragic operation, that. but that was also because Papa Bush kinda-sorta got us involved without really having a clear goal other than trying to keep the peace. Everyone thinks that Clinton got us into it, but it was Papa Bush.

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Bosnia. Lessee. Country does something we don’t like. Neighbors don’t act. US doesn’t act. US drags a military alliance in to impose its will. We’re still there years and years later.

Yup. Perfect model for imposing American cultural values.

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Bosch

Yeah “retired” like, you’re off the national team and we have revoked your passports. I understand that two of them play professionally in Germany.

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USinUK,

Maybe so, but just like Johnson and Nixon took the rap for Vietnam, I’m afraid Clinton’s going to have to take it for Somolia

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The people of Bosnia can thank an intern and a cigar for that freedom, or was that Hilary ducking sniper fire?

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Paul –

Bosnia wasn’t the UN – it was a NATO force – the US wasn’t and isn’t there alone. also, the reason we went in was not to “install democracy” (like it’s some kind of i-App), it was to STOP GENOCIDE.

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Jimmy Carter was a huge success, that’s why Obama is determined to out do him.

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UK can’t let it go can you? I know you think of me as a raging Republican out to paint Democrats as warmongers. I am not. I’m an independent who misses conservative democrats and liberal republicans. I miss a convention where a platform was hammered out instead pep rally where a candidate is anointed (not just the last election).

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Bosch

[[Obama’s a politician first, Master of the Universe, second.]]

Michelle as Meg Foster?

Told ya’ she can be scary -

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Oh….and we also forgot blowing up Kadafee’s (sp) house when he wasn’t home. Who get’s the credit for that?

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Obama inherited it blah blah blah. WHAT HAS HE DONE TO HELP IT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Everything Jay says about the Bush legacy is correct. I always thought ‘W’ was a fine guy, someone to have a beer with (I still think so). I also thought he might have been a ‘harmless’ president if it werent for the diabolic influence of Dick Cheney, a man with a permanently dark world view!

Unfortunately for ‘W’, his administration was thus used to totally and finally discredit this largely unthinking, short-sighted and in many cases stupid neo-conservative philosophy. Somehow, Cheney hopes to salvage their image by positioning himself for instant recovery should the US be hit by a terrorist attack again. Luckily, the vast majority of Americans have smartened up since the tragic 8 years of ‘W’.

America deserves to be led by smart thinking, practical and pragmatic leaders, not ideologues who see themselves as ‘hammers’ and everything and everyone else as ‘nails’!

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Atlanta Native –

I miss the first part, too … don’t think the second part ever existed (sorry, but the “smoke-filled room” isn’t something that was created by Hollywood)

but, as I’ve said before – words mean something. if you don’t mean to frame your argument that Dems are more trigger-happy than the GOP, then don’t use those words.

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whocares — you’re right on the blame for Somalia – it’s a shame, but yeah, you’re right. (although, I think the blame was more a reflection on the “draft-dodger-as-commander-in-chief” narrative that the right was flinging like poo)

peadawg – take a deeeeeeep breath. we’ve been in a recession since December 2007. we didn’t GET here overnight. we’re not GETTING OUT overnight, either.

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Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
10:48 am
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Open your eyes, man. He is doing everything he can, and it is starting to work. Get with the program…

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I wonder what would happen if Israel offered to help install a democracy in Iran?

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WhoCares 10:47

[[Oh….and we also forgot blowing up Kadafee’s (sp) house when he wasn’t home. Who get’s the credit for that?]]

Qadaffi was home. He left the compound just before the bombs dropped. Warned by a foreign government.

I guess this is why some people switch monikers. Covers embarrassment.

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Any chance you libs are vacationing in Hawaii this 4th of July?

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Bush, Obama, Cheney, Rumsfeild, etc….
It is still the same 99 rapscallions in the senate.
(give or take a few for criminal transgressions).

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Wrong Normal, and what is starting to work?

Socialization, yeah I guess so.

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I still remember Wooten’s (I think) quote the other day:

“President Barack Obama admits he “loses sleep worrying about the deficit.” Sort of like an alcoholic worrying that he drinks too much, as he reaches for another drink to drown his worries”

So true, so true

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UsinUK

Sorry, I didn’t answer you question as to what cultural values we impose:

Stop killing people you don’t like. Especially if you’re killing a lot of them. And it’s based on tribe or religion.

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Hmmm. I take back what I said about Sanford – having respect for him and all for taking off and going hiking. This story is bizarre.

Argentina? What the hell?

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RAMBLE ON!!!

June 24th, 2009
10:58 am

We prefer Hawaii in the winter. There’s a better chance of one of our missiles striking Hawaii or the mainland than one from N. Korea. The lovely Sarah might get antsy and launch one.

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USinUK

You have deciphered I write all that while smiling, right?

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Jeff in Roswell

June 24th, 2009
11:05 am

Jay’s laughing all the way to the bank. Writer extraordinaire.

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I ‘ll take “W” any day over this left wing, big spending, world view, blame America, Pro choice up to the last day,socialist ex Muslim. Not a racist but a realist……….His skin color is fine….I can think of lot’s of people of color I would be proud to be President. I say this because if you don’t agree with him, that is what you are branded. That is weak……. If he were blue I wouldn’t agree with him. speaking of color, what’s with his purple lips ?

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Laughing all the way to the bank? Hahahahaha!!! You call what he makes “money”? You’re killing me over here!

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coach k

June 24th, 2009
11:09 am

He was a yes man to Cheney. Congress should have brought him to his knees and the GOP could still be in the majority. Of course he wouldn’t have been reelected, either.

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Jeff in Roswell

June 24th, 2009
11:14 am

Would you care to meet and compare W2s?

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Paul:
Stop killing people you don’t like. Especially if you’re killing a lot of them. And it’s based on tribe or religion.
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Whe I got out of the Navy first time in’70, I used to wear a shirt that said “Join the Navy, visit exotic places, meet interesting people, and kill them”. Whe asked why I would wear such a shirt, I always told them it was my way to say how stupid war is…still is too.
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TNGelding
Please tell me Sarah doesn’t have a nuc…

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peadawg – d-oh! my bad. and my apologies.

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I agree Cheney was not much help, I am just tired of people trashing Bush from afar with no idea what they are talking about. Us in Uk if you think Saddam was doing nothing wrong, I guess the 300,000 he gassed was all right. This country is going down the tubes thanks to your new liberal pansies in office.

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No problem USinUK

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Normal

But some people will never get it. You need to get in touch with Bosch. He has this idea for a really good t-shirt business –

Sheesh

The country was spent more into oblivion right after WWII. And there wasn’t nearly the dramatic change in new technologies impelling economic growth. And we made it past that just fine.

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coach k,

“I am just tired of people trashing Bush from afar with no idea what they are talking about”

Uh, yeah we do.

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Paul –

I totally agree with you – and I liked the way you framed the discussion. well done, take the rest of the day off.

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Well, Cheney may have been a problem for Bush, but it appears that Bush is the Obama CRUTCH! If things continue the way they are going, there will be a multitude of reasons for Obama’s failure!!

When President Obama took office, he probably had greater support for his personal success than any president since at least John Kennedy. He appeared new, refreshing and smart. That was then, this is now.

The first disappointment came with his nomination of tax evaders to cabinet posts: Timothy F. Geithner; Hilda L. Solis; and Kathleen Sebelius. (This excludes Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson, who had their own ethics challenges, forcing them to withdraw early.) This did provide a glimpse into the future.

Then came the starts and stops on ‘financial recovery’ proposals. One day, the effort was going to be to ‘buy up toxic assets’; the next day, the money was going to be used to make loans; the next day, there was going to be programs to assist folks already in their homes. For Pete’s sake – BANKS ARE STILL BEING SHUT DOWN WITH THREE BEING CLOSED OVER THE WEEKEND (20- 21 June)!! Where is the taxpayer money going?? COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL US WHERE WE ARE??

Then came the much awaited ‘stimulus package’ (hundreds of billions of tax payer money) for all of those ‘shovel ready’ projects (like the turtle tunnel and no doubt tributes to John Murtha) that were designed to hold unemployment at 8%! Unemployment is now at 9.4%, and even the White House now admits that unemployment will exceed 10%!

In March, the President met with the Commander of the American Legion and advised that he was going to propose that service connected injured veterans purchase their own health insurance – ‘because they volunteered for service!’ The following month, Janet Napolitano tagged veterans as ‘potential terrorists’. Sadly, in early June, two Army soldiers were shot – one killed – in Little Rock by a radical muslim convert (terrorist). The White House’s silence was deafening. During his extensive press conference on June 23, he did not mention Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, war on terror, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, National Guard or Reserves during a 50 plus minute presser. What would one take from his omission while we have hundreds of thousands in harms way?

Then came the auto take over! For an administration who promised transparency, could someone please explain the logic that went into the closure of dealerships throughout the Country? Did you have to be friends with Barney Frank to remain open? Billions of taxpayer money was expended to preclude GM and Chrysler from going bankrupt, but what happened? THEY ARE BANKRUPT, and there is no doubt, the spoils of Chrysler will go to Italy!! More recently, WHY DID THE ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE $1,600,000,000 to Nissan?? Are they not a foreign own manufacturer? Is this just money down the tubes??

From a foreign affairs point of view, I am again sorely disappointed. It
has apparently become fashionable to apologize for the US’ involvements. Allow me to pose some rhetorical questions: Where would Great Britain, France, Belgium, The Netherlands be today without our involvement two times during the last century? Where would China and other Pacific Rim countries be today had it not been for our involvement?
And after those wars, what other country would have invested their resources – as we did – in Germany, Italy and Japan – and make them modern, world class countries? Where would Korea be today were it not for our involvement? And the list goes on and on – including Panama (18 young American soldiers gave their lives in the removal of dictator Manuel Noriega – 27 total including 3 civilians); Kuwait; Bosnia Herzegovina, Kosovo, and the former Soviet Block countries – too numerous to mention. And now, the White House is faced with two real dilemmas – Korea and Iran. Will the defense of this Country be first priority, or will the perceived image of the president take precedent?? (Scary that the question even has to be posed isn’t it??)

…And how about the CZARS? Are we up to 20 yet? When will the main stream media start asking questions regarding the role of THE CABINET?? Other than the President, who will have overwatch responsibility and authority over the CZARS? Does this not bother anyone else??

And now, the health care debate is on!

A survey by the Physicians’ Foundation has uncovered what it calls widespread frustration and concern among primary care physicians nationwide, which could lead to a dramatic decrease in practicing doctors in the near future. The survey examined the causes behind the doctors’ dissatisfaction, the state of their practices and the future of care.

The resulting findings show the possibility of significantly decreased access for Americans in the years ahead, as many doctors are forced to reduce the number of patients they see or quit the practice of medicine outright.

An overwhelming majority — 78 percent — of physicians believe that there is an existing shortage of primary care doctors in the United States today. Additionally, nearly half of them — 49 percent, or more than 150,000 practicing doctors– say that over the next three years they plan to reduce the number of patients they see or stop practicing entirely.

“Going into this project we generally knew about the shortage of physicians; what we didn’t know is how much worse it could get over the next few years,” said Lou Goodman, PhD, President of The Physicians’ Foundation. “The bottom line is that the person you’ve known as your family doctor could be getting ready to disappear — and there might not be a replacement.”

To test the above, I have asked my local physicians their plans. The answers were shocking: one is planning on leaving practice and start operating equipment for other physicians — to rid himself of mal practice insurance, and bureaucratic paper work from the government. Another one is looking into leaving his medical practice for ‘moral reasons’ if ‘Obama Care’ comes about. He reminded me that a physician’s first obligation is “to do no harm’. None that I spoke to are recommending the medical profession to young students due to government interference; bureaucracy; possible use of a board of bureaucrats to determine cost effective treatment; and the lack of TORT reform from the politicians — many of whom are lawyers.

My sensing is that Obama is already having an ‘unintended consequence’ on our health care system: A SHORTAGE OF PHYSICIANS!! Now that is change we will believe in within a few years!!

HIS OWN DOCTOR IS AGAINST ‘OBAMA CARE’!!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/obama-doctor-knocks-obamacare-business-healthcare-obamas-doctor.html

ASK YOUR OWN PHYSICIANS THEIR PLANS, AND THEIR MOTIVATIONS!! YOU ARE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT WHAT YOU FIND!!

Look at our medical schools!! Are they filled? If not, why not???

Folks, the politicians HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED THEIR BASIC HOMEWORK!! With a looming doctor shortage – which will no doubt worsen if President Obama’s policies come to fruition – WHO WILL DELIVER HEALTH CARE?
HENRY WAXMAN??????

Concerned? Call Sen Baucus’ office:

Committee On Finance
219 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-6200
(202) 224-4515

In the course of five months, this administration has gone from one of GREAT PROMISE, to one of astonishing disbelief!! Could Rev Wright be correct? Could Obama be just ‘another politician from Chicago’?

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“trashing Bush from afar”

so, if we go to TX can we trash him there??? I used to live in DC when he was President, so I really wasn’t “afar” at the time – so, was THAT okay???

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Paul,

“take the rest of the day off.”

NO!!! I’ll have no one to goof off with.

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Bookman and the left are so brainwashed (or brain dead) that its hard to even bother with facts. Facts like the real estate/economic collapse that was caused by of giving home loans to unqualified people – liberal policies and you all know it.

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Normal,

What about the Deficit going up and Unemployment going up? You don’t agree that that’s happening as well? And that it’s gotten worse under Obama?

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Slap-Happy-Pappy-

first, your post is WAY too long … but this little nugget jumped out:

“The following month, Janet Napolitano tagged veterans as ‘potential terrorists’”

ah. no. the report was drafted during he Bush administration, SHE didn’t tag them as potential terrorists. the DHS said they could be easily lured. (and, lest you forget, McVeigh and Nichols were veterans of Gulf I, so it does happen)

“is the taxpayer money going” (TARP) – TARP money has gone to the “backbone” banks, not the mom-and-pop banks. they’re insured by the FDIC. Meanwhile, the gov’t has already started getting the TARP funds BACK from 10 of the major banks they lent to – so, as much as it may pain you, THE PROGRAM WORKED.

“fashionable to apologize for the US’ involvements”

please. show me ONE apology. ONE QUOTE where Obama said “I’m sorry”. Despite O’Reilley and Limbaugh and Hannity’s panties being in a collective wad, Obama has never apologized. what he HAS done is acknowledge that our actions have not always been positive (such as the ouster of Moussedagh).

“None that I spoke to are recommending the medical profession to young students due to government interference”

hahahahaha … yeah. students are fleeing medical school in droves. just like in the UK. we have NO doctors here – no students going to med school. we have to use the internet and forage for roots to cure our ills.

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PAPPYHAPPY: You post is too long to reply to at once, but I’ll try to pick at it.

Of course the health care people and doctors are against President Obama’s plan, because they are afraid they are going to lose money. That is the only way they have to keep score. They don’t care one whit about the health of the working poor or anyone else who doesn’t have the means to afford them. Doctors do not take the Hippocratic Oath seriously anymore, and I, for one, can live with less doctors, if they take their oath seriously, and are out there to heal and not to play golf on Wednesdays… There will be more to join them…Just sayin’

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USinUK, and the deficit? What about the growing deficit and the spend spend spend mentality that Obama is continuing to do?

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Peadawg –

I’m heading upstairs to the next room – but, in the meantime, may I recommend a little light reading from Milton Keynes. He’s an economist that believes that, if consumer spending falls, government spending steps in to prop up the economy until consumers can step back in. It’s been followed by Presidents for the last (nearly) 100 years, including Reagan.

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The downfall of the Bush presidency is the same as the downfall of the republican party, in total. Domestically, they forgot about being fiscally conservative. That’s it! Nothing magical or difficult.

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Peadawg, Sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner (Tech Meetings do get in the way of a good blog), reading the posts, USinUK has answered pretty much as I would have so you were in good hands. Give President Obama the rest of his term to set things back on the correct course. If he hasn’t done it, then vote against him; I know I will…Just sayin’

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Thanks Whiner, I needed my joke for the day…Bush the most successfule president since the 80’s…. LOL….

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What a pathetic attempt to distract people away from the catastrophe that is Barack Obama.
Look ! Is that Elvis !?!

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“The difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lip stick.” The luny wing of the right thought this was a brilliant statement(corny) that brought down the house during the Republican National Convention. This speaks volumes of the simple mindset of the lemmings. Riddle me this. Why was Mr. Bush disinvited to the Republican National Convention?

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Does Rep Barney Frank ever learn?

“In March, Fannie Mae (FNM.N)(FNM.P) said it would no longer guarantee mortgages on condos in buildings where fewer than 70 percent of the units have been sold, up from 51 percent, the paper said. Freddie Mac (FRE.P)(FRE.N) is due to implement similar policies next month, the paper said.

In a letter to the CEO’s of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold “may be too onerous” and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper.

The legislators asked the companies to “make appropriate adjustments” to their underwriting standards for condos, the paper added.”

Meanwhile, the Iranian freedom fighters continue.

“Protesters and riot police clashed in the streets around Iran’s parliament Wednesday as hundreds of people converged on a Tehran square in defiance of government orders to halt demonstrations demanding a new presidential election, witnesses said. “

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Nobama is the correct name for the asshat in chief, his wife lies as freely as he. Where does he smoke? Not in front of his family, not every day…I bet that asshat smokes in the Oval Office! He’s silly that way. Curious George is he.

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Jesus would support Bush.

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