The one decision that doomed Bush’s presidency

A friend and I were discussing the new biography of Donald Rumsfeld, which led to a discussion of just how things went so bad, so quickly in so many areas for the Bush administration.

It got me to thinking. For most of the Bush presidency, I believed that people who pointed the finger at Dick Cheney as the source of most of the presidents’ problems were exaggerating. Yeah, Cheney was a bit of a nut, but the idea that Bush would let himself be manipulated by his vice president to such a degree — I had a hard time believing it.

I don’t anymore.

In fact, I’d argue now that the most important decision of Bush’s presidency — the decision that determined the fate of his administration and to a degree of this country — occurred in July of 2000, when he chose Cheney to be his running mate. From that moment, the elements of tragedy were in place. I suspect history will reach that judgment as well.

If true, that’s of course as much Bush’s fault as Cheney’s. More so, since he was nominally the guy in charge. But there’s no question that at least on the foreign policy front, the Bush administration got a lot smarter about things in its second term, once Rumsfeld — Cheney’s guy — was gone from the Pentagon, Cheney’s influence waned and Condi Rice finally began to assert herself. And the real break, I suspect, came when Bush realized in the summer of 2005 that he had been misled by Cheney and his minions about their role in the Valerie Plame episode.

It’s conjecture at this point, but I suspect that incident opened Bush’s eyes to what had been happening in his own White House, and broke whatever trust remained with his vice president. It would help explain why Bush refused to pardon Scooter Libby as he left office, despite repeated pleas from Cheney and others.

We’ll see what history has to say, but I suspect its general narrative will follow that story line.

251 comments Add your comment

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 24th, 2009
8:23 am

Considering that Bush has been the most successful president from the early 1980’s all the way through today, I don’t know what you are jabbering about.

moonbat, winning wars and defeating evil is bad, ain’t it?

Normal

June 24th, 2009
8:25 am

Only one bad decision? Whiner, Bush wasn’t President in the 1980’s…

Jay

June 24th, 2009
8:25 am

Yes, Whiner. One of us is indeed a moonbat.

It’s either the guy who claims Bush is the most successful president since the early ’80s, or it’s me.

Personally, I like my odds.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 24th, 2009
8:26 am

“Considering that Bush has been the most successful president from the early 1980’s all the way through today, I don’t know what you are jabbering about.”

Andy why do you hate Ronald Reagan?

Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
8:28 am

I Report You Whine

You can’t honestly think Bush was a good president, do you? Please tell me you were being sarcastic. I’m a strong republican and even I was embarrassed by him.

RW-(the original)

June 24th, 2009
8:28 am

Still haven’t figured out how to square Barry’s new vocal position on Iran, that he claims has been his full throated position all along, with all your glowing praise over his keeping mum being just the right thing to do I see.

It’s always easier to throw out a little red meat to the diehards than it is to think critically about the realities of the present and those currently in power.

With that I’ve got an early day in the forest. I’ll email you a picture if I spot Sanford and Bigfoot out frolicking.

Later!

HDB

June 24th, 2009
8:30 am

Whiner – if you think that the Bushes were good Presidents, you MUST be DELUSIONAL!!

Here are a series of the Bush mistakes:

1) Running for President
2) Selecting Cheney as his running mate
3) NOT listening to Colin Powell
4) Consorting with the Bin Laden family
5) Going after Saddam Hussein under false pretexts
6) Tax breaks for his wealthy friends
7) Bad economic policies
8) Worse foreign policies
9) Persistent “Bushisms”

More to appear later……

Bill Mack

June 24th, 2009
8:32 am

Jay, You’re just genetically flawed. It should be embarrasing for you to refer to somebody else as “something of a nut.” Check the mirror
Bill

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 24th, 2009
8:33 am

I know and you like Obozo too.

I rule.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 24th, 2009
8:34 am

Cheney’s influence waned and Condi Rice finally began to assert herself. And the real break, I suspect, came when Bush realized in the summer of 2005 that he had been misled by Cheney and his minions about their role in the Valerie Plame episode.

Seems like the most plausible explanation, but then there’s also the possibility that those voices furiously working to cover their butts these days just happen to be uttering that version of reality most loudly at the moment.

AmVet

June 24th, 2009
8:36 am

If by successful, the welcher means impotent, incapable, ineffectual, unproductive, useless and weak, I whole heartedly concur.

And I also stand by my contention that there is a strong likelihood that he will ultimately finish in the top 43 of all US Presidents…

Normal

June 24th, 2009
8:36 am

I always thought that President Bush’s biggest mistake was his failure to use the tragedy of 911 and stand as a strong leader of a wounded nation, bring the world wide sympathy together, and join nations into working together for a common cause…Instead he sold it all for a few cheap Republican gains, failed to go after Bin Laden, started an unnecessary and unwanted war, spent like a drunken sailor, and set the rest of the world against us. You did a heckofa job, Georgie…Just sayin’

clyde

June 24th, 2009
8:37 am

I don’t believe Bush chose Cheney.I believe he was told to take him.Republicans wanted Cheney in power and knew he couldn’t win an election for dog catcher so they hung him on Bush like an albatross.I’ll always wonder what a Bush Presidency would have been like without Cheney.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 24th, 2009
8:38 am

Geez, these liberals can’t even comprehend a timeline on their own-

Considering that Bush has been the most successful president from the early 1980’s all the way through today

Which illicited this mouth breathing response-

Only one bad decision? Whiner, Bush wasn’t President in the 1980’s

You reckon? Gosh, what we would ever do without your care and guidance, Abnormal?

Andy why do you hate Ronald Reagan?

Ronald Reagan was elected president in the early 80’s, perhaps this might be why I said “the early 80’s.”

Are you libs fried out this morning or what?

Tank

June 24th, 2009
8:40 am

Again Jay, this is newsworthy? Rehashing Bush! The mantra of the wild-eyed liberals,

Just a shallow attempt to deflect attention from the economy, unemployment, North Korea, Iran and Perez Hilton.

You are simply a hack…

Time Will Tell

June 24th, 2009
8:43 am

The fact of the matter is only time will tell… Bush will be judged on Iraq. If a democratic Iraq exist in 10 years, then it will be hard to continue to bash him. Bush made plenty of mistakes, but I respect the man who made it his number one priority to protect the citizens of this country first. That’s nothing to be embarrassed about.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 24th, 2009
8:43 am

ATLANTA — Gov. Mark Sanford arrived in the Hartsville-Jackson International Airport this morning, having wrapped up a seven-day visit to Buenos Aires, Argentina, he said. Sanford said he had not been hiking along the Appalachian Trail, as his staff said in a Tuesday statement to the media.

WhoCares

June 24th, 2009
8:44 am

Well I guess if you can’t find something positive to say about your guy in office now, all’s that’s left is to bash Bush…..Again. Why stop there? If Bush left such a mess for Obama to clean up surely if was because Bush was so busy trying to clean up Clinton’s mess?

Sam

June 24th, 2009
8:44 am

Bush spending like a drunken sailor, have you paid attention to Obozo lately….Geeesh!!

Normal

June 24th, 2009
8:44 am

Whiner- your 8:38: Nice wiggle…close, but no cigar, Brutus…Just sayin’

AJC Sucks

June 24th, 2009
8:45 am

Jay,

Do ya’ll actually write anything news worthy at the AJC? I mean, really? You don’t have an opinion on anything else important that may be going on? I mean, the AJC gets all there news from twitter & other web sites. Why not do something original?

King Curious George (Jugo Obama)

June 24th, 2009
8:46 am

Articles like this are why newspapers are going bankrupt all over the country.

Funny how talk radio is flourishing though.

Go ahead and keep dwelling on mean old George W. Bush. There is not too much positive to say about our current president. His only accomplishment is the fact that he is black.

AJC and all newspapers going out of business, talk radio flourishing. Have to love it.

mike

June 24th, 2009
8:49 am

Well considering that Obama’s foreign policy changes are cosmetic at best, Jay must also have a low opinion of Obama too.

Oh wait. Obama is a Democrat, so the policy differences really don’t factor into Jay’s thinking.

Joey

June 24th, 2009
8:52 am

Jay: Very impressive.

We are so fortunate that you choose to share with us the clear picture that you bring into focus when you turn your penetrating, and unbiased, vision onto the subject of George Bush. What is it, 9 years now?

Furtunate indeed?

Wingnut Denier

June 24th, 2009
8:53 am

JAY U R A HACK!!!
LIBRAZL SUKK!
TEH AJC BURNS IN PAGEN H3LL!

GEORGE W. BUSH — BEST PREZNIT EVER!!!1!!!elevens!!!!!

Just Released

June 24th, 2009
8:53 am

Some documents from the Nixon administration that were just released give us some new insight into the mindset of another past president, for what good it does.

Normal

June 24th, 2009
8:53 am

Ever notice how the pro bushies have only sarcasm and insults to use to defend Grorgie? And, oh yeah, let’s not forget to throw out Bill Clinton, that will show us. They will also use President Obama’s spending and conveniently forget it wouldn’t have been necessary, if President George W. Bush would only have done his job!

catlady

June 24th, 2009
8:56 am

Am Vet: Depends on how many Presidents we end up having. He might rank higher than Calvin Coolidge.

HDB: Don’t forget NCLB and the generous business it rewarded his friends with.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 24th, 2009
8:56 am

Let’s see here, our comparison chart includes Klintoon, Bushitler and Obozo.

Billy Bob- Reduced the grandeur, prestige and honor of the presidency and White House to the level of a drunken frat house party. Major military actions include bombing a nation and slaughtering it’s civilians from 50,000 feet that had not even threatened the United States and for good measures, took out the embassy of our number one adversary, why, for fun perhaps? Lost his law license for malfeasance, raped and pillaged every trailer park in between DC and ArKansas, paid huge million dollar settlement for a BJ, which from his time in history would forever be known as a Lewinsky.

Yeah, tell me about it.

Bushie- Instead of conducting and environmental impact study of the possible effects of attacking the Taliban in Afghanistan, as al-Gore would have ate up the decade doing, attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan. Removed from power a regional and worldwide menace, while at the same time giving freedom to the 25 million formerly enslaved citizens of Iraq, which now stands as a beacon of liberty and democracy from which the Iranian people have derived hope from seeing.

Launched one of the largest economic expansions in US history by cutting capital gains and personal tax rates, fueling a huge boom in construction, which provided the longest period of growth in US history until the democrats brought it all cashing down to earth by giving houses to people who couldn’t pay for them. This growth period was DESPITE two major hurricanes, a giant terrorist attack on the country and two wars fought simultaneously.

Not bad, eh?

Obozo, hahahahahahahaha, come on, be serious.

eewwwww

Billy Bob

June 24th, 2009
8:56 am

As I survey the Middle East today, I haven’t seen any sign of The Messiah’s changes. The president’s campaign slogan must have been casually spawned while musing the daily rotation of his BVD’s on a trip to the Middle East. OK, I get it now. Change, periodically. Brilliant.

‘cept for the abject bowing, bending-over, grovelling and the lack of any end game, Obama’s change is wa-a-a-a-a-a-y better than Bush [sarc]. I mean, heck, he shuffled the pieces on the ME board game and thought presto, OBL will be caught, Iran de-nuked, Afghanistan stablized. Uh, well, almost.

And lawd knows, we don’t want to compare Cheney with Joe Biden. Best to keep people’s attention on the previous VP rather than the current one.

Change you can believe in.

thomas

June 24th, 2009
8:57 am

great history lesson Jay,

Nothing going on in world, or our country.

Unemployment of 10% looming,
A plan for a missle to be launched at one of our states.
Little disturbance in Iran
Still in 2 wars
Health plan est. to cost 1.6 billion
Poll numbers against stimulus package
Jobs not being created.

But I guess none of those fall into the agenda of you Mr. Bookman. Does your credibility mean nothing to you? That answer is obvious for any who have been reading your stuff for a while now.

Seriously what type of an odd alter do you have to bush? All that is currently going on and it has been at least 5 pieces from you since you spoke of anything of actual importance.

Do you think President Obama even cares that you are a stooge for him? Most likely not.

Normal

June 24th, 2009
8:57 am

Sam

June 24th, 2009
8:44 am
Bush spending like a drunken sailor, have you paid attention to Obozo lately….Geeesh!!
—————–
Sam if this is all you can find to pick on, then you must think that the rest of my post is true. Is that it?

Kamchak

June 24th, 2009
8:58 am

“…because Bush was so busy trying to clean up Clinton’s mess?”

Low unemployment, projected budget surplus, gasoline under a dollar a gallon…I agree that Bush definitely solved these “problems.”

WhoCares

June 24th, 2009
8:59 am

Bad staff! Bad, Bad Staff! Shame on you for not telling the poor media details that were none of their business to begin with. Bad Staff! What do you think this is? The AJC?

Vinny

June 24th, 2009
9:01 am

Typical -

His boy in the White House is doing such a terrible job that Jay has to attempt to create a diversion by revisiting the past.

Remember what Barry said Jay? “We Won”. This economy and record debt and deficit that he has created is all Obama’s. He is determined to bring this country to ruin.

Atlanta Native

June 24th, 2009
9:03 am

Jay do you remember when Bush was first elected and you tried to explain the mistake the country had just made? How you tried to explain what needed to be done to stop the Republicans, who held both the executive branch and legislative would become obsessed with their own power and bring this country down?

Do you remember how the partisan republicans and conservatives (not always the same thing) kept going “OOoohh that Clinton!” over and over? Remember how they remained blind to what was going on and just focused that hate on Clinton? How whenever you brought anything up it was “but Clinton?”

I do. I never liked W. I hated the fact that he had a republican congress and executive and there were no checks on our government and legislation was passed without thoughtful review. I was ashamed that W did not lift his veto pen for 6 years. Pork ran rampant and spending increased.

Now, things are the same. I do not like our president and hate the fact that the congress is also democratic, so there are no checks on their power and they are passing legislation without any thoughtful review. I try to explain to people that we need checks on power and our country will be bankrupt in a flurry of spending and pork and ridiculous taxes like cap and trade when NASA tells us we are cooling. Obama’s veto pen is starting to get dusty.

But what happens now? I am stuck with a bunch of partisan democrats and liberals (not always the same thing) who respond to any attempt at thoughtful discussion with “OOOoohh that Bush!” And when I try to discuss the ludicrous things going on in Washington all I get is “But Bush . . .”

Thanks for throwing fuel on the fire Jay. Use that old Republican strategy of keeping focus away from what’s actually going on by feeding on hate for the old administration. We’ll all go down together, see you at the bottom.

On the presidents scale recently
worst: Obama
2nd worst, by a hair: Bush
Looking better all the time: Clinton

lovelyliz

June 24th, 2009
9:03 am

Believing in you divine right to be right about quite often leads you to be wrong. The human race has free will for a reason. Unfortunately,, too many in the Bush adminstratin just couldn’t grasp the concept that their divine providence could be off.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:04 am

Jay –

you’re forgetting – CHENEY CHOSE HIMSELF!!! He headed up the Veep search … and after poring through loads of resumes and conducting countless interviews, he decided that the BEST person to serve as Veep was … HIMSELF.

oh, yeah, the puppetmaster was at work from Day 1

Bosch

June 24th, 2009
9:05 am

Bush didn’t choose Cheney to be his running mate – Cheney chose himself. He was on the VP selection committee, and he just decided the best VP choice was him! Cheney knew he could never be the President, so he settled for the next best thing – the President’s puppetmaster.

Dick Cheney = Evil

godless heathen

June 24th, 2009
9:05 am

Bush must have done a lot right to get the libs to hate him so much.

WhoCares

June 24th, 2009
9:06 am

Gasoline under a dollar a gallon? When? Where? Damn I’m getting old cuz I don’t remember the last time gas was under a dollar a gallon.

Bosch

June 24th, 2009
9:06 am

USinUK (your name is hard to type),

As DB told me the other day when we had a similar thing happen – “Get out of my head!”

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:07 am

Bosch -

““Get out of my head!””

I prefer “Great minds think alike” ;-)

Gandalf, the White! (!)

June 24th, 2009
9:07 am

Jay, you are moonbat! How goes the job search?

WhoCares

June 24th, 2009
9:08 am

Doesn’t somebody owe a coke?

Bosch

June 24th, 2009
9:09 am

USinUK,

Yeah, that’s better. :-)

The other sounds sort of mean.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:10 am

“Bush must have done a lot right to get the libs to hate him so much”

well, gee … there was stealing an election in 2000 … then reversing the environmental rules … then enforcing the global gag rule … then ignoring the “Osama wants to attack the US memo” (complete with the lovely quote “well, now you’ve covered your butt”) … then there was the manipulation of 9/11 into an unnecessary war in Iraq … I’d go on, but my blood pressure is going up …

if you want to call all of that “right” … then it must be interesting in your world where the clock strikes thirteen and we’ve always been at war with East Asia …

Normal

June 24th, 2009
9:11 am

USinUk, you are right about Cheney, of course, but George W. wore the title of President of the United States of America. “Puppet” doesn’t even begin to describe it. The last administration should be considered an insult by all of the people of this country, some just don’t get it.

jconservative

June 24th, 2009
9:11 am

Good point re Cheney & Rumsfeld & their influence on Bush. If you recall, after Bush, Cheney was the most visible person in the administration. After Bush canned Rumsfeld Cheney became almost invisible.
Reports from WH insiders say Cheney & Bush had a real hard argument over Rumsfeld that got way to personal. Rumsfeld was Cheney’s man & he took the dismissal personally.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:11 am

whocares – I think one of us has to yell “JINX!!! youowemeacoke!”

Turd Ferguson

June 24th, 2009
9:12 am

As long as the libs/democrats/socialists can continue a negative diatrabe regarding “W” they are able to deflect the failings and fence-sittings of Barrys current administration.

Butt thats ok kids…Barry’s honeymoon will shortly be over.

Stay tuned as Barry begins backtracking and bailing water. Should be fun!!

Fred

June 24th, 2009
9:12 am

Man,

I know ms. gawdzilla, copyleft, and byteme are superficial morons but this whine guy is a complete retard.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:13 am

Normal –

I’m just trying to block out the last 8 years (much in the same way I have mostly blocked out the 2 years I lived in hartford … eeeesh)

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2009
9:14 am

“Again Jay, this is newsworthy?”

In case you didn’t notice…this is an OPINION page, not a NEWS page.

RAMBLE ON!!!

June 24th, 2009
9:14 am

No Jay, history will tell how the media (you, luckovich, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, Wash. Post, Newsweek, etc…) lied, attacked, and undermined everything thing he did, instead of report the facts.

How the liars like Obama, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Waters, gosh the democrats have so many, had one agenda, appose Bush and any and every level.

Oh yeah, and boy don’t we have a real genius in Joe Biden. I know the USA is still waiting on those “three letter word, J-O-B-S” to get created.

Umm didn’t Obama say unemployment wouldn’t reach 9% if we pass that spending bill that was about a foot high in length? It was so urgent to pass, he went to Chicago for a three day weekend and signed it on a Tue.

Last score I heard was 9.4%. Since our messiah as been in office it’s jobs lost 2 million, saved or created, 150,000.

Let’s just hope we can survive for another 3.5 years.

The way we weren't

June 24th, 2009
9:15 am

These right wing apologists on here are really pathetic. In one “breath” they proclaim that all we need to do is wait ten or more years to bear the fruit of the GeeWhiz legacy (if it is anything like the rotted fruit we’re getting from Bonzo’s sidekick, Ronnie, we’re doomed…) and in the next “breath”, they ask what Obama is waiting for.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 24th, 2009
9:15 am

Few loose ends about…

CHENEY CHOSE HIMSELF!!! He headed up the Veep search … and after poring through loads of resumes and conducting countless interviews, he decided that the BEST person to serve as Veep was … HIMSELF.

I’m going to guess Jay knew this already and figured it’d be larding up a concise post with a distraction.

(Also, you’re going to have to tell us what was so all-fired bad about Hartford sometime. But I digress.)

USinUK (your name is hard to type),

So is “YouzeinYook” but I prefer to type what I hear in my head.

Bush must have done a lot right to get the libs to hate him so much.

Keep focusing on that all-important “p!ss off liberals” Conservative First Directive. It’s worked so well for you guys of late.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:15 am

TF –

awww … you seem to think that we’re alike, the left and right. see, here are the 2 key differences:

1) the folks on the left don’t see criticism of the president as TREASON – we see it as a responsibility.

2) unlike the folks on the right and their treatment of W as the Messiah, we HAVE criticized our president for letting us down with things like DADT policy, secrecy, etc

Mrs. Godzilla

June 24th, 2009
9:16 am

Turd Lemonade…..tehee tehetehe

USA all the Way

June 24th, 2009
9:17 am

What’s the matter Bookman…your guy sucks and is screwing the country so you you need to deflect attention and go back and write an article on Bush to focus away from Osama (yes, that’s correct) and his crappy administration. You are just old news! Move on!

WhoCares

June 24th, 2009
9:18 am

I guess I’m just ignernt cuz I never paid too much attention to Cheney. But if it’s true that the Veeps have that kind of influence over the President it’s a wonder we ain’t all dead. I mean c’mon? Mondale, Gore, Spiro Agnew!

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:19 am

Gwinecian –

““YouzeinYook”” – ooooo … I like that …

Hartford. where to begin. first there’s the weather – I mean, snow starting in November straight through until March-ish. And cold. ohmygod. My first full winter up there, we had an entire month where the high didn’t break above freezing. that’s just not right.

and the people just don’t want to know you unless they have to. cold. taciturn. not chatty, friendly folks like you get below the M-D.

but the autumns were pretty.

Tom

June 24th, 2009
9:20 am

Accurate enough, Jay. However, BushDrunk’s entire history is one of unintelligence, incompetence, phony, childish machismo, heavy drinking
(I’m talking back in high school and forward.), swaggering abouit, running his would-be tough guy mouth. Many books by his peers are out there, available, and detailed. He was incompetent at most everything, including 5 different shots at Grandpa’s/Daddy’s businesses. Buying the governorship while constantly mumbling about a “war with Iraq” before even that. Lots of insight into this cretin, but the Little People always refuse to educate themselves w such available history. He is a weak person – in every sense of that word’s meaning.

AmVet

June 24th, 2009
9:20 am

On the surface this perceived Bush-bashing serves little purpose. And after months of personally excoriating him and his abysmal record, I chose forge ahead after January 20, 2009.

But as the more devout of us Hebes say regarding the holocaust, “Never forget”.

It highlights how those who voted for that awful administration – most twice – have cast their lot with the greatest modern day failure in US history.

Some – those who have left the once Grand Old Party or who at least rue enabling these deadly crooks – have learned their lesson, it would seem.

But those that defiantly, and in the face of 30 year old mountains of irrefutable evidence, remain on the lunatic fringe as apologists and deniers, are infinitely more interesting.

Clinging desperately to their angry god and their loaded guns, they are the very face of disregarded fanaticism, unrequited bloodlust, intellectual poverty, moral pettiness and political bankruptcy.

My advice is simple:

Step One – Admit you are powerless over Bushitis and that your lives had become unmanageable.

Move on to Step Two…

ty webb

June 24th, 2009
9:24 am

oh, thanks for clearing that up. I thought that the left only viewed criticism of the president as racism.

Paul

June 24th, 2009
9:24 am

Lots of points, there.

I’ve maintained that, from his perspective as a Congressman, then as a member of the Executive, VP Cheney came in to service with Pres Bush, in part, to strengthen what he saw as the rights and perquisites of the Executive. Did the pendulum swing a bit far? It usually does.

And now, in several areas, the Obama Administration is continuing the policies championed by VP Cheney. One of the most ironic to Cheney detractors: all the angst over secret energy meetings with oil executives? What was the source of suit against the Obama Administration’s secrecy in who they met with? Yup – secret energy meetings with coal executives!

I’m trying, Mrs. G… I really am….

The Libby thing: I realize this will directly contradict the “Bush is a liar to his core” crowd, Bush commuted the jail sentence but left standing the conviction for obstruction and lying to a federal investigator. Bush answered this:

[["I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said, he had concluded that the prison sentence was excessive. Bush's statement also noted that those who defended the prosecution of Libby "argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable."]]

Those who view Bush as a liar won’t buy it and will probably default to the Cheney speculation. That’s easier, I suppose, than reconsidering one’s assumptions.

Plame was touched on. The drama may finally be over.

[[The Supreme Court will not revive a lawsuit that former CIA operative Valerie Plame brought against former members of the Bush administration.

The court on Monday refused to hear an appeal from Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

A lower court last year threw out the lawsuit in which Plame and Wilson accused former Vice President Dick Cheney and several former high-ranking administration officials of revealing her identity to reporters in 2003. Plame and Wilson said that violated their constitutional rights...

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said that Plame and Wilson did not meet the legal standard for constitutional claims...

The leak touched off a lengthy investigation that resulted in Libby's conviction for obstruction and lying to investigators. Jurors found that he told reporters about Plame and lied about it to the FBI and a federal grand jury...

Nobody was ever charged with the leak itself...]]

Some people should just accept when their fifteen minutes of fame are over.

And the Democratic Congress //still// hasn’t amended the law to prevent this from happening again. I guess they know, unlike Plame, when the 15 minutes of political theater are over.

Turd Ferguson

June 24th, 2009
9:25 am

War with Iraq wrong blah blah blah…did you harvard educated idiots ever realize we have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? These two countries border or foe Iran. Nuff said.

Chris

June 24th, 2009
9:26 am

Right on Ramble On! Yes, Bookman we certainly will see what history has to say. Will you also be telling us why liberal newspapers failed?

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:28 am

TF –

yeah. and we see how well that’s worked out over the last 5 years.

sd

June 24th, 2009
9:30 am

The one problem with your argument, Jay, is that you assert that Bush “choose” Cheney.

Bush was chosen by the Project for a New American Century, of which, Cheney was a ranking member.

jewcowboy

June 24th, 2009
9:30 am

Tank,

You put Hilton in the same arena as unemployment and Iran?

Now I really know what is wrong with Republicans. They are easily distracted by shiney objects.

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:31 am

“easily distracted by shiney objects”

hey! that’s usually my line!!!

DB, Gwinnettian

June 24th, 2009
9:33 am

Turd, jeez, usually when someone’s outed as a liar they have the decency to at least change nyms and/or lie low for awhile.

If you’re going to hang around here, you’re going to need to explain why you claimed to be an Obama voter last week. Else get used to being referred to as “Turd Lemonade”, along with the requisite explanation for why you’ve been pegged as such by n00bs.

Paul

June 24th, 2009
9:34 am

USinUK

G’morning. Or afternoon, as the case may be. Don’t know if you saw it the other day, but

Plaice. Outstanding.

Northern Songs Ltd

June 24th, 2009
9:35 am

The longer I read this blog, the more I am convinced Whiner is really the less inteligent, second cousin to Redneck Convert.

But really Jay, can’t we just let this go? ‘W’ is gone, and history will be the judge. We are all still way too close to the stink to be truly objective.

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2009
9:36 am

“Bush was chosen by the Project for a New American Century, of which, Cheney was a ranking member.”

And of course they FORCED Bush to accept him as VP, right? Interesting how easily he gave up the power to choose his VP, isn’t it?

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:36 am

Paul –

I did see your plaice comment – and, yes. it is truly yummilicious.

frankly, I think it’s funny that the UK has such a bad rep for food … while I’m not a big fan of steamed puddings with suet, no one does really good stick-to-your-ribs food like the Brits. and they do some killer desserts, as well. and, of course, you can’t go wrong when your national dish is curry!! ;-)

Turd Ferguson

June 24th, 2009
9:37 am

LOL…Not goona splain a thing…LOL. Just behaving like your double-talking leader…I guess.

Lefty Lemonade

June 24th, 2009
9:38 am

BBBUUUWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Kamchak

June 24th, 2009
9:38 am

Normal

June 24th, 2009
9:40 am

USA all the way…NOT, you are only USA half way. President Obama is your President now, so prove yourself and get behind him and offer him helpful criticism if you can, or go play with your Cheney…Just sayin’

sd

June 24th, 2009
9:41 am

“And of course they FORCED Bush to accept him as VP, right? Interesting how easily he gave up the power to choose his VP, isn’t it?”

A good salesman (Rove) can convince a person to buy something and further convince the person that the idea to buy that something was the buyer’s in the first place.

Bosch

June 24th, 2009
9:43 am

Paul,

“secret energy meetings with coal executives”

What ‘cho talkin’ ’bout Paul? Splain.

And if we go to war with West Virginia after these meetings, then I’ll be very concerned.

Bosch

June 24th, 2009
9:44 am

Kamchak,

2:30! Right? Exciting!!!

Paul

June 24th, 2009
9:44 am

USinUK

Enjoy the plaice while you can. When you leave, that’s it.

Agree about the Indian food. I learned early on, never, ever look in the kitchen! Just enjoy the food.

Used to be a restaurant on, I think the north side of Leicester Square. An extension, I believe, of the Swiss (?) Embassy. Heavily subsidized, actually three restaurants, inexpensive to expensive, go in the door and split off to the one you want. Sorry I can’t remember the name but it was right on the Square. The creamed spinach was memorable. Nutmeg. I almost have it replicated.

mm

June 24th, 2009
9:45 am

Why do the wingnuts always attack a democrat for using our military but cheer on a republican for doing it?

Obama must be doing something right because he is driving the wingnuts crazy.

Normal

June 24th, 2009
9:45 am

USinUK, I used to live in Groton for four years. Worked for Electric Boat in R&D. Loved the job, hated the snow. The damnyankees up there always asked me why a southern boy would come up there to work. I’d always look around, then whisper “sssh, don’t tell anybody, but I’m up here to learn how to make submarines for the Confederacy. Most believed me, Brain freeze, I guess…

Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
9:45 am

Normal…you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush? LOL that’s hilarious…Just sayin’

DHD

June 24th, 2009
9:46 am

Obama makes Bush look good.

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2009
9:46 am

“But really Jay, can’t we just let this go?”

No, we can’t. We’re going to be dealing with, and living under, the “results” of the decisions made during his reign for a LONG time.

Paul

June 24th, 2009
9:47 am

Bosch

In answer to your 9:43 (sorry for the long cite, Jay, someday, I promise, I’ll get the link thing down)

Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Jun 29, 2009

As a senator, Barack Obama denounced the Bush administration for holding “secret energy meetings” with oil executives at the White House. But last week public-interest groups were dismayed when his own administration rejected a Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service logs showing the identities of coal executives who had visited the White House to discuss Obama’s “clean coal” policies. One reason: the disclosure of such records might impinge on privileged “presidential communications.” The refusal, approved by White House counsel Greg Craig’s office, is the latest in a series of cases in which Obama officials have opted against public disclosure. Since Obama pledged on his first day in office to usher in a “new era” of openness, “nothing has changed,” says David -Sobel, a lawyer who litigates FOIA cases. “For a president who said he was going to bring unprecedented transparency to government, you would certainly expect more than the recycling of old Bush secrecy policies.”

The hard line appears to be no accident. After Obama’s much-publicized Jan. 21 “transparency” memo, administration lawyers crafted a key directive implementing the new policy that contained a major loophole, according to FOIA experts. The directive, signed by Attorney General Eric Holder, instructed federal agencies to adopt a “presumption” of disclosure for FOIA requests. This reversal of Bush policy was intended to restore a standard set by President Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno. But in a little-noticed passage, the Holder memo also said the new standard applies “if practicable” for cases involving “pending litigation.” Dan Metcalfe, the former longtime chief of FOIA policy at Justice, says the passage and other “lawyerly hedges” means the Holder memo is now “astonishingly weaker” than the Reno policy. (The visitor-log request falls in this category because of a pending Bush-era lawsuit for such records.)

Administration officials say the Holder memo was drafted by senior Justice lawyers in consultation with Craig’s office. The separate standard for “pending” lawsuits was inserted because of the “burden” it would impose on officials to go “backward” and reprocess hundreds of old cases, says Melanie Ann Pustay, who now heads the FOIA office. White House spokesman Ben LaBolt says Obama “has backed up his promise” with actions including the broadcast of White House meetings on the Web. (Others cite the release of the so-called torture memos.) As for the visitor logs, LaBolt says the policy is now “under review.”

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/202875

Jay

June 24th, 2009
9:47 am

It’s fascinating: Bringing up George Bush, who has been out of office for all of five months now, is criticized as dredging up ancient history.

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton and even Jimmy Carter remain fair game.

Funny how that works.

RAMBLE ON!!!

June 24th, 2009
9:49 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlyr2pNMbT4&feature=related

Gosh that’s only the tip of the iceberg. What a genius!!!!

Trudy

June 24th, 2009
9:50 am

GOP = Hypocrisy

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:50 am

Normal – “submarines for the Confederacy” HA!!! that’s the funniest thing I’ve read today!! the autumns were gorgeous, but they HAD to be to make up for the winter. but the people. my god, what a miserable lot.

Paul – gah. Leiscester Square – too dang many tourists. there are other great places for food without having to venture anywhere near the tourist hotspots. (and, as for not looking in the kitchen – that’s something I believe in for most restaurants that aren’t 5-star)

Peadawg – MOST of the country WAS behind Bush, you peabrain. Right up until he drove us off a cliff and into Iraq.

Kamchak

June 24th, 2009
9:51 am

Bosch

Yes, I’ll be watchin’. Are you following the story of the Iranian players that were “retired” because of their green arm bands? Didn’t someone say something about politics and futbol?

USinUK

June 24th, 2009
9:51 am

Jay –

TESTIFY to your 9:47!!!

Normal

June 24th, 2009
9:51 am

Peadawg

June 24th, 2009
9:45 am
Normal…you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush? LOL that’s hilarious…Just sayin’
————————-
I supported him with all I could give him up until 911. Almost forgave him then, but he had to go and do Iraq. I tried. Are you trying? Just askin’…

@@

June 24th, 2009
9:52 am

Join Obama, jay….”turn the page”!

A “new” history is in the making and it looks very much like that of the Bush/Cheney administration.

Damn! do you ever tire of living in the present/past?

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2009
9:52 am

“you want us to get behind and support Obama just like you were behind and supported Bush?”

Bush had all the support he could ever hope for after 911. He blew it.