The brave patriots of Iran continue to press their case

People are dying in Tehran and probably elsewhere in Iran. The videos of brutality and murder are stunning. One of the more heartbreaking is here, documenting the death of a young woman apparently shot on a rooftop. It is too graphic to be posted here.

Iranian officials have managed to suppress mass demonstrations but the public is apparently continuing to protest in a variety of fashions. Gov’t thugs are collecting names of those taken to hospitals, so some foreign embassies have opened their doors to those seeking shelter and protection. A Google map has been posted of embassy santuaries.

President Obama has released a statement, which follows:

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.

Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.

Reuters is quoting opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi as saying he was “ready for martyrdom”, and has urged a national strike if he is arrested or killed. A suicide bomber blew himself up at the tomb of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Whatever the short-term outcome, the death of the current clerical regime will date from this week.

112 comments Add your comment

devans00

June 20th, 2009
5:28 pm

It’s unfortunate peaceful marchers and bystanders had to lose their lives in the pursuit of justice. As we sit comfortably and safely in our American homes, the Iranian election protesters’ bravery and steadfastness to their goals remind us that freedom is not free.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
5:42 pm

Thanks for the embassy link. It looks like Chile in 1973.

clyde

June 20th, 2009
5:50 pm

The Iranan government doesn’t care one whit about the respect of the international commuunity.It will continue to kill it’s citizens as long as necessary to preserve it’s power.

George American

June 20th, 2009
5:51 pm

Barak Hussane Obama won’t stand up to the Iraqs. He and the demorates are too chicken.

I am glad the others hear are not scared to call a spade a SPADE and stand up to this incompetint boobs.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
5:51 pm

Do you care? There’s a gathering now at the CNN center.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
5:59 pm

What’s the practical difference between embedding the You Tube and posting a hot link to it?

Normal

June 20th, 2009
6:00 pm

George American..I’m an American too…and you sir, not President Obama, embarrass me. I truly feel sorry for you. Imagine…A bigot this day and age. What a Neaderthol…Just sayin’

Normal

June 20th, 2009
6:08 pm

Y’all,
I going for now…gonna try my hand at making Ravoli. I have a good sauce going and getting tired of spagetti. Wife loves it when I cook, so maybe I won’t have to go to the gum tomorrow…Just hopin’

Frederick Douglass

June 20th, 2009
6:10 pm

Neanderthals could express themselves in writing better than George American, even if it was only cave drawings.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
6:15 pm

Government thugs? What about thugs among the demonstrators? For us to make judgment from afar without knowing what precipitated any killing is unwise. No doubt there have been excesses on both sides. The sad thing is there would have been little change no matter who had won the election.

Maybe we should offer Mousavi sanction here? Or increase our shipment of arms to Israel? What about shooting down an Iranian passenger jet?

Protests in U.S.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

http://cbs2chicago.com/specialreports/1968.democratic.convention.2.1050347.html

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
6:20 pm

Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt suggested that, in the absence oof real leadership and the exercise of moral authority, Obama merely repeat the milquetoaste Cairo speech. Looks like Hewitt is the President’s teleprompter on this matter.

AmVet

June 20th, 2009
6:23 pm

Some of the pictures from Tehran reminded me of Richard Daly’s goons in 1968 Chicago.

Hang tough Iranians…

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
6:23 pm

So far the President has done publicly what is the best. He has said we witness, It is Iran’s battle. The crowds in the street know the world is watching and so do the mullahs. They both also know where the sentiments of the world lie.

George American

June 20th, 2009
6:30 pm

Normal and Mr. Douglass,
I don’t care what you think of me. You are probably just chicken liberals – peck’n in the cool laid of the liberal controlled media. At least I have the courage to speak the truth to the liberal media. You do not get the truth in the main stream.

getalife

June 20th, 2009
6:32 pm

Normal

June 20th, 2009
6:35 pm

George American, I’d tell you to put your sheet back on and go play with your burning cross, but my Momma always said, “If you can’t say anything nice about a person, just don’t say anything at all”. So I won’t tell you that.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
6:42 pm

“At least I have the courage to speak the truth to the liberal media.”

You, sir, have neither courage nor truth in your control. Your bigotry gives the lie to both.

getalife

June 20th, 2009
6:51 pm

Kayaker 71

June 20th, 2009
6:55 pm

Frederick and Normal,

I am not so sure that George is such a bigot or that he has said things that demand this kind of rhetoric on your part. Calling a spade a spade happened long before anyone was so concerned about political correctness or what is the “right thing to say”. It used to mean telling it like it is. It still does, it you would look beyond your narrow minded “racist” rhetoric and quit condemning someone who might just not mean it like you think. We are so quick to come to the conclusion that someone might just not being “correct” enough. Get over it.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
7:08 pm

“I am not so sure that George is such a bigot or that he has said things that demand this kind of rhetoric on your part.”

Sure he did. If he had meant to more generic “calling a spade a spade” there was absolutely NO NEED to emphasize the second SPADE. And the other statements around it, and after it, showed whose interpretation was more correct.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
7:14 pm

I stepped outside for a minute and found a cool breeze in our well-shaded backyard.

@@

June 20th, 2009
7:20 pm

It’s a shame that Ayatollah al-Sistani, Khomeini’s rival, was exiled from Iran. Things could have been so different had he not.

For a bit of background for those unfamiliar with Sistani’s significance in the Muslim world far beyond Iraq, consider an Iraq analysis from this spring:

Leading Shiite cleric in Iraq Ali Sistani Tuesday banned the killing of Iraqis, particularly the Sunnis, and urged the Shiites to protect their brother Sunnis.

In fact, what exists is a deep rivalry between the revolutionary Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini and the traditionalist Grand Ayatollah Sistani, both claiming authority over the Shi’a faith. While the Khomeinist revolutionary Khameini clearly believes in Shi’a theocracy, the Iraqi Ayatollah Sistani believes that the faith can exist within a democracy without theological conflict. And while the Iranians work to spin the growing Sunni tribal rejection of al-Qaeda as Americans “negotiating with terrorists,” Sistani himself has always had open channels of communication with American forces and the Iraqi government.

Sistani’s appeal does not end at the Iraqi border, as Iranians increasingly observe his leadership with interest and fondness. Some are “intrigued by the more freewheeling experiment in Shi’ite empowerment taking place across the border in Iraq,” which is fundamentally different in approach than the Iranian theocratic brand of dictated observance and obedience. The Boston Globe’s Anne Barnard reports that within Tehran’s own central bazaar, “an increasing number of merchants are sending their religious donations, a 20 percent tithe expected from all who can spare it, to Iraq’s most senior Shi’ite cleric.”

Iran has their Khameini and Iraq has Iran’s al-Sistani.

@@

June 20th, 2009
7:28 pm

I beg to differ on George American’s comment. George’s “SPADE” is taking digs at a CHICKEN or…

a BOOB. Since George is obviously a guy, the plural BOOB would come naturally unless, of course, he’s referring to Obama and Biden as a PAIR of BOOBS.

@@

June 20th, 2009
7:32 pm

Signed, (@)(@)…(*)(*) or (.)(.)

I should know…

Frederick Douglass

June 20th, 2009
7:37 pm

Quotes from the original Frederick Douglass: ” The thing worse than rebellion (Ahmadinejad) is the thing that cause rebellion”.

” A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can
insult me (George American)”.

Kayaker 71

June 20th, 2009
7:46 pm

Frederick,

You sound like a very pissed off black man who is going to carry his hate to the grave.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
7:47 pm

Kayaker 71… I’ll give you the “spade” part of your argument, thank you. And I’ll say nothing more about or to George…Just not sayin’

Normal

June 20th, 2009
7:49 pm

Kayaker…Are you George American in drag? Just checkin’

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
7:51 pm

“who is going to carry his hate to the grave.”

Hate? He quotes someone to say that even a bigot can’t insult him and you call THAT *hate*?

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
7:52 pm

A few years ago an American of Iranian ancestry – via a conversation – foretold of this day in Iran. It is a very eerie feeling watching a prophecy come to pass.

getalife

June 20th, 2009
7:56 pm

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
8:07 pm

Enter your comments here

jt

June 20th, 2009
8:14 pm

Obama chides the Iranian goverment-

“If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.”

Is he kidding? Can anyone on this blog claim that our goverment does NOT govern by coercion?

That is as stupid and hollow as claiming civil rights were won without violence.

Belief it if you want. The world ain’t buying it..

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
8:14 pm

GeorgeAmerican: Before you call Obama “incompetent” — perhaps you should learn how to spell the word you use to insult him with first.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
8:17 pm

“A few years ago an American of Iranian ancestry – via a conversation – foretold of this day in Iran. It is a very eerie feeling watching a prophecy come to pass.”

I bet it is! It’s going to be interesting, as time rolls on, to see how well democracy by the people fares in comparison to democracy imposed by an invader.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
8:23 pm

getalife

“Her name was Neda ”

And listen to us here. Sad.:

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
8:27 pm

NORMAL: thanks for the kind words. Left you a message below.

Frederick Douglass

June 20th, 2009
8:44 pm

Kayaker 71: Not only do I sound like a pissed off black man, I am a pissed off black man. Why is it that when a black man expresses his
opinion about perceived injustice he’s pissed off, and should get
over it, but when someone else espouses those same feelings, they’re
just concerned about the direction this country is headed?

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
8:49 pm

NORMAL–well, given the tone of this evening’s discussion, how did the ravioli turn out and was the missus happy…
“…when the moon hits your eye like a pizza pie…that’s amore!” :-)

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
8:49 pm

“Why is it that when a black man expresses his
opinion about perceived injustice he’s pissed off, and should get
over it,”

Only in the mind of a bigot, Frederick, only a bigot.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
8:53 pm

Repeat

“Her name was Neda”

Or do we really not give a damn.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
8:54 pm

j-nix,

There’s a lesser known version that Weird Al either did or should have done.

When you swim in the sea and an eel bites your knee…that’s a Moray.

DogGA,

I’ve got to give you props for shear stamina. You started non stop nit picking at about 11 this morning and ten hours in you don’t even seem to be breaking a sweat.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 20th, 2009
8:56 pm

We did that about 40 years ago. Yesterday’s protestors are today’s establishment. The gifts of the State keep on giving.

jt- So I’m assuming that you believe the protesters are not better than the mullahs, they just want to blow up Israel and enslave the people of Iran under their own banner, eh?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 20th, 2009
8:59 pm

Reagan didn’t worry about meddling, Reagan wasn’t skeered that the enemy would use our involvement as propaganda.

Reagan went to that wall and demanded that it be tore down.

Reagan was a man.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
9:00 pm

Got my pocket translator out.
“..words of love, so soft and tender, won’t win her, you oughta know by now…”

just sayin’ :-)

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
9:13 pm

getalife–obviously nobody but you and I care who she was. Sad.

Kayaker 71

June 20th, 2009
9:14 pm

Frederick,

Everything said to you by some white guy is not bigoted hate. It is very easy to pick apart everything that someone says to you and perceive it as something that you feel is misdirected rhetoric. Everyone who expresses an opinion about the black community does not wear a white sheet. You do not have the right to call people names, say something about them that is not true or push your own bigotry toward your critics. I say again, get over it.

jt

June 20th, 2009
9:15 pm

I Report/you whine- you asked-

jt- So I’m assuming that you believe the protesters are not better than the mullahs, they just want to blow up Israel and enslave the people of Iran under their own banner, eh?

I don’t KNOW what the protesters want as regards to Israel. Nor do you.

Considering how corrupt that our current congress and administration is, why would you trust our military under it’s leadership.?

Isn’t it best to get our own house in order first? Freedom doesn’t come cheap for anyone. No matter how people want to white wash it.

I hope Iran does better than us.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
9:16 pm

Whine: Reagan went to that wall and demanded that it be tore down.
Reagan was a man.

too funny!!! Reagan’s SPEECH Writer said “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” Reagan just read it off his notes!

jt

June 20th, 2009
9:17 pm

“Reagan went to that wall and demanded that it be tore down.”

That is when we had some credibility left. As far as personal liberty.
It rings hollow now.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
9:22 pm

Everything said to you by some white guy is not bigoted hate. It is very easy to pick apart everything that someone says to you and perceive it as something that you feel is misdirected rhetoric. Everyone who expresses an opinion about the black community does not wear a white sheet

Let change that around: Kayak: Everything said to YOU by some Black guy is not bigoted hate. It is very easy to pick apart everything that someone says to you and perceive it as something that you feel is misdirected rhetoric. Everyone who expresses an opinion about the WHITE community does not wear a black sheet. :twisted:

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
9:24 pm

“You started non stop nit picking at about 11 this morning and ten hours in you don’t even seem to be breaking a sweat.”

Never mind that I’ve been out shopping and had to take my van to the garage and spend several hours waiting for it. But I’ve been here NON-STOP. Yeah, right.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
9:24 pm

Josef: People care. They probably, like me, just don’t want to talk about a young girl loosing her life just because she was in a crowd….

Kayaker 71

June 20th, 2009
9:27 pm

Debbie,

Very true. But you would never know, would you? An American citizen does not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom for everyone…. not just you!! You may leave the room, change the channel, express a different opinion… whatever. Goes both ways, doesn’t it?

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
9:28 pm

Debbie DoRight “just because she was in a crowd….”

Her name was Neda.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
9:29 pm

Bill White

June 20th, 2009
9:36 pm

The president should seek a unilateral military intervention into Iran. We have the capabilities to begin a ground assault from Iraq right now. We will save lives and spread democracy starting in Tehran and fanning out to the rural areas. Let’s do what the Iranian people want us to do. This is a great opportunity. We have the tools. That’s why we need to fund all of our armed services. Expanding the military not only creates jobs, but it shows the world that we are the leader and do what’s morally right. I remember when Pres. Reagan said, “Tear down this wall!” Guess what? It came down! HW Bush kicked Saddam out. GW snuffed Saddam out. Both did the right thing. Now it’s time to take out the Ayatollah and that cab driver phony of an Iranian president. Liberals whine that we’re spending too much on this, but it’s well worth it if we can take these evil dictators out of the world. You can’t talk with the psychos. They hate Christians, Hebrews and even freedom-loving Muslims. Now is the time to intervene, but the McFlys in this administration are going to Godless New York and Secular Europe to party it up. I fear for our future because we have the leader of the free world who is too afraid to do the right thing and spread the gospel of democracy and religious freedom! God Bless, BW

Frederick Douglass

June 20th, 2009
9:42 pm

Kayaker you’re right, most bigots don’t wear white sheets and hoods today, they’ve morphed and operate differently now, but if you want
to believe bigotry is dead, have at it. Believe it or not, I’m not
consumed by this issue, but I’m not going to apologize for my words
when all I read here is insults, and lies coming from the right.

@@

June 20th, 2009
9:56 pm

josef:

It is indeed sad that Neda lost her life fighting for freedom. If it’s any consolation, maybe an Iranian child will be born to fill the void. Maybe he or she, with the same convictions of Neda, will grow up in a democratic Iran.

jt

June 20th, 2009
9:58 pm

“Debbie DoRight “just because she was in a crowd….”

It is tragic, but there is a hundred Neda’s in Grady Memorial Hospital tonight. And chances are, their WHOLE life was tragic.

And that is just one hospital in one city.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
10:02 pm

Josef: Yes her name was Neda. She looked like she was very young and she looked very beautiful too. Someone’s daughter, sister, friend, wife, cousin, aunt, died today. I can only hope that it wasn’t in vain.

Kayaker: The “Yep” was for you :roll:

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
10:03 pm

DebbieDoRight 9:16 pm

You are wrong, in essence, about Reagan and “tear down this wall.”

The line was, in fact, written by “Sneaky” Pete Robinson, Dartmouth Class of 1979. I know Sneaky Pete and, through him, I know the story.

Regan’s advisors removed the line thrise from drafts of the speech and Regan put it back in each time. Sneaky Pete says the line was as much Regan’s as his; Sneaky Pete has told me that he put the imagery and phrasing to Reagan’s spirit.

So, from no less an authority than Pete Robinson, it was Reagan’s line.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
10:06 pm

JT: Yes; but to put Neda’s experience in perspective to the experiences of people here in the US, (Grady); women here in the US might not have broken the glass ceiling yet; but at least here we know that someday we will. In Iran, we can only hope that one day Neda’s life was not taken in vain; and there may be a spark for women’s rights in Iran in our lifetimes.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:08 pm

@@–”It is indeed sad that Neda lost her life fighting for freedom. If it’s any consolation, maybe an Iranian child will be born to fill the void. Maybe he or she, with the same convictions of Neda, will grow up in a democratic Iran”

Thank you. There is so much more I want to say to you, but I think you already know what it is.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
10:12 pm

Iran is different than Iraq only in the respect that President George W. Bush had vision and courage while President Obama has a vision of himself and a teleprompter from which to read.

The Iraqi women owe a great debt of grattitude to the American people and President Bush; the Iranian women are waiting fro their knight on a white horse to ride in; alas he is a horse of a different colour.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:14 pm

DebbieDoRight

Kayaker: The “Yep” was for you

Thank you for clearing that up. I sincerely apoligize for my unkind thoughts.

jt

June 20th, 2009
10:19 pm

DebbieDoRight- You commented-

In Iran, we can only hope that one day Neda’s life was not taken in vain; and there may be a spark for women’s rights in Iran in our lifetimes.

Yeah, here in America women can walk around half naked and pierce every body part as long as you give up roughly 50% of your wealth to the state.
Heck, this works for most of you.
Freedom ain’t cheap.

@@

June 20th, 2009
10:21 pm

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:24 pm

JAY–
“One of the more heartbreaking is here, documenting the death of a young woman apparently shot on a rooftop. It is too graphic to be posted here.”

In the beginning of this thread, I would have agreed with you. Now I am not so sure. Perhaps you should have posted it.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:24 pm

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
10:12 pm

Like Iran wasn’t there during the Bush regime?

Iraq is decades away from a stable society.

Both countries date back thousands of years. They don’t need anyone from over here telling them how to live.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:25 pm

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:24 pm

But we have no idea who shot her and why.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
10:26 pm

josef,

It probably won’t make a difference because our Fence Sitter in Chief will make Neda die in vain, but any successful revolutionary turning point needs a face and that face is almost by necessity a tragic death. Before today we had two sides of a tennis match that our president was happy to turn his head left to right while watching, something he’s become quiet proficient at by reading his prompter, but I digress. Neda’s death may seem tragic tonight but if we’re lucky her death will be written about in the future as the point the revolution moved from protest to success and freedom. In that case she becomes a hero of freedom and liberty for many more future generations than she ever could have become through her life.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:27 pm

When did the protest of an election become a fight for freedom?

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:28 pm

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
10:26 pm

It ain’t gonna happen.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
10:36 pm

Iran is different than Iraq only in the respect that President George W. Bush had vision and courage while President Obama has a vision of himself and a teleprompter from which to read.

Too funny!!! GWB had a VISION of revenging his father against Saddam! He was too narrow minded or too blind to understand what his father knew intrinsically, the middle east, (Iran), NEEDED Saddam in power for the region to be stable.

The Iraqi women owe a great debt of grattitude to the American people and President Bush; the Iranian women are waiting fro their knight on a white horse to ride in; alas he is a horse of a different colour.

In 1991 BushI, post Desert Storm, called upon Shiites to rebel against Saddam, and promised to support their fight, but then reneged on the promised support–leading to Saddam’s massive Fallujah-style slaughter and retribution of southern Shiites. Is this the type of “support” you want Obama to bring to the Iranian people? One of the Bush Boys’ policies? :wink:

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:37 pm

Bill White

June 20th, 2009
9:36 pm

You might want to check with Secretary Gates on that. Our military options are limited to air strikes and naval blockades.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080714_iran_shows_its_cards/

It’s their business. Let them sort it out.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:38 pm

RW–I had not intended to try to put my thoughts to words until your post of 10:26 and I know I will fail miserbly. Neda’s will become the iconic face of this moment in history, frozen in time and place. It will be what our children see in the textbook and they will ask us what we thought and what we were doing when we saw it. Our President says we are to bear witness. If what has transpired in this thread tonight is our witness and our legacy, then G-d help us.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
10:38 pm

Gelding,

Usually when a moonbat misreads something it’s because they glazed over before reading the whole comment. I guess I should commend you for reading the speculative portion, however your missing the first 18 words makes that impossible.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
10:41 pm

It probably won’t make a difference because our Fence Sitter in Chief will make Neda die in vain.

He should do like GHWB1 and SUPPORT the uprising in public; then, when they need arms, ammo, and help to usurp the regime, let them be slaughtered like sheep. Yeah…..that’s how a Godly Republican would do it!!

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
10:42 pm

Debbie Do Right

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:46 pm

Tn Gelding
“When did the protest of an election become a fight for freedom?”

June 20, 2009

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
10:47 pm

Debbie Do Right

Like it or not, Iraqi girls go to school because George W. Bush, not Borat Obama, was our President. There is no doubt from credible parties that women in Iraq have a better life because of George W. Bush.

Then again, you are so blinded by ideology that you actually tried to disaassociate Regean fron “tear down this wall.”

Finally, the driving force behind the Iran demonstrations is that they see a free democracy in Iraq and want that for themselves. Thank you President Bush for a job well done.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
10:48 pm

josef nix @ 10:38,

I doubt you would fail miserably any time you put your true thoughts into words, but if you don’t mind a little prodding I would say that your failure to do so while urging others to was somewhat cowardly. This blog is less a stream of consciousness than a reactive forum and when you feel strongly about an event you’ll get more of an honest dialog by strongly asserting your views than you will by hopefully guiding the discussion so as to observe.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
10:54 pm

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
8:53 pm

Her name was Neda and we have no idea why she was shot and by whom. Hellll, it could have been the CIA. Since she apparently was out of uniform it probably was a government sniper, but the protesters were pushing the limits. It’ll be a blip on the radar screen next week.

DebbieDoRight

June 20th, 2009
8:14 pm

Spelling is irrelevant. You got the message. You’d be surprised at brilliant people that couldn’t spell.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/22107

http://archive.disabledperson.com/articles/famous_people.asp

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:57 pm

RW–@10:48
No, I don’t mind a little prodding and, as you know, I am generally a reaccionista, devil’s advocate, and/or sh*t stirrer. But tonight and on this thread, I am not.

clyde

June 20th, 2009
11:00 pm

Reagan thought he was in another movie.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
11:00 pm

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
10:38 pm

You’re probably right.

getalife

June 20th, 2009
11:05 pm

Yeah, very sad.

Writing cheap partisan shots on a blog and blaming our President .

Typical, all the con blogs are doing the same.

Twitter is full of support from Americans and they are not blaming Obama.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
11:08 pm

No, I don’t mind a little prodding and, as you know, I am generally a reaccionista, devil’s advocate, and/or sh*t stirrer. But tonight and on this thread, I am not.

Then on this thread you should be a leader because the middle ground is like a soccer pitch. Nobody but the diehards care.

godless heathen

June 20th, 2009
11:09 pm

Could it be that what is happening in Iran is a sign of a sea change in the Middle East?

In the 1950’s we air-dropped leaflets to the Berliners. Maybe we should air drop I-phones on Iran.

Sorry, TnGelding but the world is too small now for us to “let them sort it out.”

bullgod

June 20th, 2009
11:33 pm

iran will undergo their growing pains just as china and many other 3rd/2nd world countries begin to grow thanks to technology and capitalism.

obama has nothing to do with the current events evolving in iran. period.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:46 pm

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
8:17 pm

“A few years ago an American of Iranian ancestry – via a conversation – foretold of this day in Iran. It is a very eerie feeling watching a prophecy come to pass.”

I bet it is! It’s going to be interesting, as time rolls on, to see how well democracy by the people fares in comparison to democracy imposed by an invader.

You could have made your comment appropriately on its merits alone, which are completely irrelevant to my statement.

The private conversation spoken of foretold the emerging dissatisfaction among the younger generation of Iranians with the current religious regime, so-called by some a Theocracy, more in keeping it is only a religious Oligarchy.

Was this religious regime imposed by invaders, in a manner of abstract speaking? – Possibly…

Then again, by the same token of abstract speaking this manifestation of the emerging dissatisfaction from among the younger generation of well educated Iranians, now coupled with the oppressed women, may have been prompted by an invader too.

The key to breaking-up the radical intolerant Islamic element within Islam has been said to rest in the hands of the women. Many outside forces as a matter of anti-propaganda, some of them advocates from among the political right, have pushed this hot button issue to incite their actions within the world of Islam. Not so unlike the historical suffrage movement witnessed in this country to restore denied human rights to women.

What is of a certain degree assured, this is a very big blow to the radical Islamic world and its’ despots that transcends any confined geography. It will play a major role in how well any of the now hopefully secular democratically established Republics are to fare in this region of the world that has never known a governance of this type.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
11:59 pm

As the old guard dies and is replaced by more moderate leaders Iran will become a welcome member of the world of nations. Until then the protesters are just stirring up trouble and inviting retribution.

Just had a spoonful of Blue Bell Southern Blackberry Cobbler ice cream to top off a late supper.

Happy Father’s Day.

Happy beginning of summer.

TnGelding

June 21st, 2009
12:14 am

Michael H. Smith

June 21st, 2009
12:17 am

Tyranny never dies without trouble and retribution. Unfortunately, tyrants never yield back freedom and liberty without a ransom paid in blood. Even then, freedom and liberty must stand guard to keep tyranny buried in the grave.

moonbat betty

June 21st, 2009
12:24 am

moonbat betty

June 21st, 2009
12:26 am

censorship

wtf?

kinda like iran

Stew Day

June 21st, 2009
12:31 am

Jay, Brutal video–we often forget in our crazy everyday world that not everything is free, especially Freedom. The video of the girl dying on the streets of Tehran bring back to home the reality of why we live in America and try to help others in the world.

Stew Day

June 21st, 2009
12:35 am

Jay, TAKE TWO! Brutal video–we often forget in our crazy everyday world that not everything is free, especially Freedom. The video of the girl dying on the streets of Tehran brings back to home the reality of why we live in America and why we should try to spread democracy to others in the world.

moonbat betty

June 21st, 2009
12:42 am