More on the inspector general firing

The folks at Politico have spoken with at least one member of the Americorps governing board about the firing of inspector general Gerald Walpin. Here are the crucial grafs:

“It was a very emotionally draining meeting for me and the rest of the board members,” a panel member told POLITICO Wednesday. “There were several periods of time where there were one- to two-minute pauses where he clearly was confused and was not able to respond to questions and was just going through his notes…..It was painful.”

The board member, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that part of Walpin’s initial presentation at that meeting was about the investigation he conducted into alleged misuse of AmeriCorps funds at a school run by a former Phoenix Suns point guard, Kevin Johnson. ….At the May 20 meeting, Walpin “made reference to the fact that he was planning to issue some kind of statement later that day related to that matter,” the board member said. “At the conclusion, several of us raised the issue as to why he was going to be doing that…. At which point, he became confused and said he didn’t say that—even though several of us had written it down.”

Eventually the board gave up on the discussion and, after Walpin left, the bipartisan group acted unanimously to have chairman Alan Solomont ask the White House to remove Walpin, the panel member said.

The critical points are the confirmation of Walpin’s confusion, the fact that the move to fire came from the governing board not the administration, and the fact that the bipartisan board made that decision unanimously.

If all that pans out, it doesn’t seem like there’s anything here.

UPDATE: TalkingPointsMemo confirms the Politico reporting, quoting two board members:

“The firing would not have played itself out were it not for the fact that the board raised concerns about the IG, Gerald Walpin, after the May 20 board meeting, a board member told TPMmuckraker. The board member added that the White House had no role in encouraging the board to make the review request, calling it ‘completely board-initiated.’….

A second board member confirms to TPMmuckraker that it was the board’s concerns that led to the firing. The second board member said that the board had unanimously directed its chair, Alan Solomont, to inform the White House of the board’s serious concerns about Walpin’s performance, and that Solomont had done so.

‘No action would have been taken if the board had not, on a bipartisan basis, directed the chairman’ to talk to the White House, said the second board member. The move was ‘entirely unanimous — no division at all.’”

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Spock Logic

June 20th, 2009
9:39 am

Paul,

Have your concerns about those checks and balances been addressed to your satisfaction now.

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
9:43 am

Great if true. I hope this WH is above political firings. But if it is, it’ll be the first.

@@

June 20th, 2009
9:55 am

From the Politico link, jay:

The board member said the awkward interaction with Walpin took place at an executive session that was >>>>>not open to the public. The panel member also said he did not believe there was any recording or verbatim transcript of the meeting.<<<<<<<

How convenient for President Obama…

The formal public notice for the board’s May 20 meeting makes no reference to a closed session or any meeting with the Inspector General. A senate aide said investigators are examining whether the board’s practice of not disclosing such meetings comports with federal law.

The panel member asked not to be named in order “not to be seen offering commentary on a decision made by the president.”

Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous. Another convenient tool?

Puh-leeeeeeze

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
9:55 am

One issue remains cloudy.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 20th, 2009
9:59 am

“We see nothing that supports the administration’s ‘crazy old man’ theory,” said Issa, ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

I”While firing an investigator who uncovered the abuse of funds by a political ally might be considered an act of ‘political courage’ in Chicago politics, for most Americans it raises troubling questions,” Issa said.

First of all, the transcripts from the confused meeting would be cool, bookman.

Before his firing, Walpin had investigated Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson, an Obama supporter, for allegedly misusing federal funds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A settlement was reached~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in that case under which Johnson’s organization was to repay some of the money.

Seems to be a bit more to it than the stooges of the state run media would have us believe.

TW

June 20th, 2009
10:03 am

Teabaggers scrapin’ at this only means they got nuthin’…

nuthin’ :)

Spock Logic

June 20th, 2009
10:08 am

Impeached judges, fired IGs, disgraced Senators and Congressmen…where will it all end!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:12 am

Spock Logic

“Impeached judges, fired IGs, disgraced Senators and Congressmen…where will it all end!”

With the second (or first!) coming,,,,!

gawingnut

June 20th, 2009
10:15 am

If “periods of confusion and silence” can get you fired, the White House press secretary is in really big trouble.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:20 am

gawingnut

If “periods of confusion and silence” can get you fired, the White House press secretary is in really big trouble.

You mean all we have to do for a “change” is turn off POTUS’ teleprompter?

ByteMe

June 20th, 2009
10:21 am

@@ joins the paranoid whiners of the world… “There must be something more to this!! because the half-man, half-machine was in charge.”

The board recommended the firing UNANIMOUSLY. No one has said the White House even knew about it until the board sent the recommendation up. But the paranoid wingnuts want to make this out to be something about “my team vs. your team”. Sad little people the paranoids are. (say it with Yoda’s voice and it sounds about right)

ByteMe

June 20th, 2009
10:22 am

On the other hand, he might try an ADA suit if this is really symptoms of early stage Alzheimers.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
10:26 am

Claire McCaskill said Tuesday, “The White House has failed to follow the proper procedure in notifying Congress as to the removal of the inspector general. Loss of confidence is not a sufficient reason.”

According to a law that was co-sponsored by then-Senator Obama, the president is required to give Congress 30 days notice when he seeks to remove an inspector general.
So what part of 30 days does he not understand?

By the way, it was his law.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527073,00.html

Is Obumer above the law or has Obumer now become the law?

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 20th, 2009
10:30 am

These liberal democrats are the very epitome of hypocrisy, remember the Big Hay they made over the Bush AG firings, Bush could have fired those dudes because he didn’t like the clothes they were wearing and gave that as an official reason, case closed, because that was his prerogative under the LAW, how many millions did the pinkos waste with their kangaroo courts investigating this “crime?”

Hmmmm, bookman?

US attorney scandal rivals Watergate (and yes, Karl Rove is in the middle of it)

By Jay Bookman | Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 06:31 AM

Now here we are with a total bozo once again ensnared in a steel trap of idiocy OF HIS OWN MAKING, he wrote the very law meant to be used against Republicans and broke it, sure as S#@$.

Hyprocisy, thou name is democrat.

I still cannot believe that some zipperhead pinko would complain to the AJC under a name mimicking another blogger’s so they could whine about someone else mimicking their name.

Nobody ever accused you libs of having any brains.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:31 am

Michael H. Smith–with no disrepect toward you faith intended, but wasn’t the Messiah “sent to fulfill the law?”

md

June 20th, 2009
10:43 am

“With the second (or first!) coming,,,,!”

You mean 01/20/09?

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:47 am

md

June 20th, 2009
10:48 am

“But the paranoid wingnuts want to make this out to be something about “my team vs. your team”.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this whole blog thing about “my team vs your team”?

Many here seem to think “debate” means generalization, sterotyping, name calling, etc. Kind of like using the term “wingnuts”. What ever happened to the days of civil, rational debate and posting an opinion?

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
10:53 am

“So what part of 30 days does he not understand?”

What part of 30 days don’t YOU understand? Obama suspended Walpin immediately, with his termination effective IN 30 DAYS. And Congress was informed of that decision.

Look it up, instead of repeating false talking points…you’ll be surprised.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
10:54 am

Uh… Josef, in like respect of good faith or the use thereof, exactly when might I so boldly inquire did Obumer lay down his life and arise three nights and days later?

Thankful the real Messiah – The Son of God not the son of Jeremiah Wright – never broke one of HIS laws that HE wrote!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
10:54 am

md
“Many here seem to think “debate” means generalization, sterotyping, name calling, etc. Kind of like using the term “wingnuts”. What ever happened to the days of civil, rational debate and posting an opinion?”

Gone with the wind that swept through Georgia…

Normal

June 20th, 2009
10:56 am

It was a tempest in a teapot…Poor Brutus…Move along, folks, nothing to see here. Only the Right radicals wishing it were so…

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
10:58 am

“never broke one of HIS laws that HE wrote!”

Just in case you’ve overlooked a relevent fact: Jesus never wrote ANYTHING down.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
10:59 am

Micheal, I respect your faith…but all you have to back that up is the Bible. The history of that book is just too tainted for me.

FrankLeeDarling

June 20th, 2009
11:00 am

Where was the cons outrage when bush was firing attorneys.
Obviously the people closest to the man thought it was time for him to go.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:02 am

Moving along: There was nothing to Watergate either; of course Presidents are unquestionably above the law.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:03 am

Michael H. Smith–glad it did not offend.

I could not believe the number of so-called Christians who did not understand that as far as I was concerned for a so-called man of G-d to use “g’damn” from the pulpit was spitting in the face of the Alm-ghty. And then for that hypocrite candidate to try to two-step around such and call himself a practicing Christian was too much to stomach. Maybe I’m wrong, but if this doesn’t qualify for taking G-d’s name in vain, then tell me how and why.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:06 am

Normal

June 20th, 2009
10:59 am

The history of your Obumer is far too tainted for me. I would find the Bible very puritanical in respects to his persona.

md

June 20th, 2009
11:07 am

” Maybe I’m wrong, but if this doesn’t qualify for taking G-d’s name in vain, then tell me how and why.”

Agenda.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:08 am

Well, y’all will forgive me if I don’t go into the New Testament here. And as far as the other scriptures are concerned, I’m Maimonidean by training, but that’s just me and, truth be told, I don’t do a very good job with anything beyond the 13 principals,

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:08 am

“There was nothing to Watergate either”

Quite right. No laws broken, not indictments…nothing to be found.

clyde

June 20th, 2009
11:08 am

Move along folks,nothing to see here.Next issue please.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:11 am

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:08 am

And shortly thereafter no Nixon to be found in the White House.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:12 am

md: good point. As I said the other day, I’m reminded of the country preacher from Mississippi who told his flock, “it ain’t a Chinese menu. You don’t pick one from column A and one from column B according to your taste.”

Florence King said of us Southerners, though it applies elsewhere as well, that we all have a commandment we won’t break and it’s generally the sin that appeals to us the least.

Brad Steel

June 20th, 2009
11:15 am

@@, WHINER, and the rest of the shrill AM-radio parrots, I hear some real dirt about the President is coming down the pike:

According to the next Wingnut/Hater News service, on the next Rush Limbaugh broadcast (or Hannity or Glen Beck or one of the other fat-nerdy-type screechers):

The news that Obama once put paper in the plastic recycling bin will come to the light of day for the American people.

Oh the shame!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:15 am

On this scandal, the Unmentionable said, “accusations of the senile coming from the puerile. Ain’t that jus’ sumpin? And here we were thankin’ the generation gap was a thing of the past!”

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:15 am

“And shortly thereafter no Nixon to be found in the White House.”

Nixon resigned AFTER Watergate? WOW! Great sense of timing you have there. Maybe you need to good course of historic timeline study.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:17 am

Brad Steel–He did NOT. That’s right wing propaganda. He put aluminum in the glass container.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:19 am

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:15 am

Refreshing your memory: Nixon resign under threat of impeachment.

So much for your revisionist history.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
11:21 am

Michael, your 11:06 I can accept that and lately I’ve been having some misgivings, but I want him to succeed, because I can see no other way to go.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:22 am

The bad news is, we’ve gone looking for a scanda. The good news is, soon enough we won’t have to go looking. As the apolgiaists keep saying, give him time, folks, it’s only been six months.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
11:22 am

President Nixon did prove one thing to me…It takes a crook to run this Government…Just sayin’

Truthseeker

June 20th, 2009
11:23 am

Israeli Psychologist View On Obama
Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism

Dr. Vaknin States “I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi “religious” impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, make s this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man.. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects.”

[PICTURE: Obama's language, posture and demeanor are clear indicators, says Vaknin]
Barack Obama is a narcissist

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes “Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist.” Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens.

Vaknin says that Obama’s language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People’s Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their mi nds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

“Obama’s early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,” says Vaknin. “Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a stepfather. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white)grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995″.

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his se rvice. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The “present” vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Fat her.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama’s lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no=2 0threat to others…They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict th at in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960’s.

Obama will set the clock back decades… America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president

thetruthseeker.co.uk

Normal

June 20th, 2009
11:24 am

Brad & Josef…He did not. I got it straight from Newt…He threw a cigarette butt in the Rose Garden…GASP!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:25 am

NORMAL–I want him to succeed, too, but not to the point of giving him a free pass and certainly not to the point of joining “crowd outside the Casa Blanca crying Obamita Peron.”

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:25 am

“Refreshing your memory: Nixon resign under threat of impeachment.

So much for your revisionist history.”

Sorry…you’ve lost me completely. I was agreeing with your statement that “There was nothing to Watergate either” – I don’t see how Nixon even got in there.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:26 am

NORMAL–hey, now you leave my boy alone there! Best recommendation I’ve heard for him yet is that he’s a puffer and well, what did you expect him to do with the butt? That bunch of pc lib’ruls done took all the ashtrays out…”

md

June 20th, 2009
11:27 am

“because I can see no other way to go.”

Ask California how that spending road is doing for them, and then tell me again that there is no other way to go.

We need to balance the darn budget, not keep whipping out the credit card.

md

June 20th, 2009
11:28 am

“It takes a crook to run this Government”

Yea, but one is only a crook if they get caught.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:30 am

Truthseeker

Is NJ on vacation?

FrankLeeDarling

June 20th, 2009
11:30 am

that was the most narcissistic post I have ever seen

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:30 am

“Yea, but one is only a crook if they get caught.”

Wrong. A crook is a crook. Getting caught has nothing to do with it.

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:31 am

This really isn’t about Obumer. I don’t give a “D” about this guy that came out of the political nowhere one way or the other with respect of person.

It is the country that now stands in peril and quit honestly I cannot stomach what I’m seeing from most of these politicians from either of these two parties and their so-called leaders. Corruption is at an all time high, cronyism and “quid pro quo” has become fashionable amidst the mix of identity politics serving political expediency and no one as it appears stands accountable.

md

June 20th, 2009
11:33 am

“Wrong. A crook is a crook. Getting caught has nothing to do with it.”

For you and I true. But we are refering to politicians which have a different set of rules.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:35 am

“honestly I cannot stomach ”

Looks like you’re going to be really sick for a while, then.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:38 am

“For you and I true. But we are refering to politicians which have a different set of rules.”

Nope. A crook is a crook. You only have a point when it comes to what happens IF, and AFTER, they are caught.

FrankLeeDarling

June 20th, 2009
11:39 am

hear hear! 11:31 after eight years the cons are finally seeing the light.

So now that your eyes are open just who would you have put in a position to do something about it?

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
11:41 am

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:03 am

Wright was calling on God to damn America.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:43 am

DoggoneGA–

Looks like you’re going to be really sick for a while, then.

Yep, sure looks that way. But, then, I can always get a dose of bromide here!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:44 am

Tn Gelding “Wright was calling on God to damn America.”

And? Does that mean this wasn’t taking the name of the L-rd in vain?

Michael H. Smith

June 20th, 2009
11:47 am

FrankLeeDarling

June 20th, 2009
11:39 am

My eyes have been open for a long time and “we”, not me, had better find the “ones” to put into positions to do the necessary things that will right the course of this wrong heading nation.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:48 am

“Wright was calling on God to damn America.”

Have you actually read the whole sermon? Taking a tiny phrase out of the context of the whole focus of the sermon amounts to perpetuating a lie. His language was forceful, and meant to be provacative…but what it amounts to is the same as embodied in this quote: “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right”

But if, as too many people do, you only quote the first 5 words, then you are perpetuating a lie about that quote too.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
11:51 am

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:54 am

DoggoneGA–as a matter of fact, I have. And having an interest in liberation theology, I knew who he was and what he was saying a LONG time ago. And I repeat, to call the name of the Alm-ghty in this fashion from that venue is not in keeping with the tenants of his alleged faith..and FYI, this particular quote from Wright is mild in comparison to some of his writings.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:54 am

“Does that mean this wasn’t taking the name of the L-rd in vain?”

Nope. Because “God” is not God’s name. And “Lord” is not God’s name either.

RW-(the original)

June 20th, 2009
11:54 am

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
11:56 am

“And I repeat, to call the name of the Alm-ghty in this fashion from that venue is not in keeping with the tenants of his alleged faith..and FYI, this particular quote from Wright is mild in comparison to some of his writings”

So what? That’s what freedom of speech is all about. That doesn’t, of course, insulate ANYONE from criticism for what they say…but they DO have the freedom to say it.

And “Almight” is not God’s name either.

md

June 20th, 2009
11:59 am

Dog, sometimes you try too hard. We agree that crooks are crooks regardless.

My point is that they do not agree, as they play by different rules than we do. They sometimes believe they are above the law, therefore they can not be breaking something that does not pertain to them – according to them.

FrankLeeDarling

June 20th, 2009
12:00 pm

I am with you 100% on the WE thing Mr. Smith.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
12:01 pm

Ok, ok, this is getting way to depressing. Everybody Sing! What the world needs now is love sweet love. It’s the only thing that’s there’s just too little of…Everybody, join in…Just sayin’

md

June 20th, 2009
12:04 pm

“love sweet love. It’s the only thing that’s there’s just too little of…”

Speak for yourself, some of us are getting plenty :-)

Normal

June 20th, 2009
12:06 pm

MD Braggart!

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
12:07 pm

“My point is that they do not agree”

Their agreement or lack of it doesn’t change anything.

“as they play by different rules than we do.”

Sure they do. Doesn’t mean they aren’t still crooks.

“They sometimes believe they are above the law, therefore they can not be breaking something that does not pertain to them – according to them.”

Their belief doesn’t change the fact that they are crooks.

YOU are the one who said “Yea, but one is only a crook if they get caught” – which is flat wrong. Crook, criminal, whatever…they are still guilty, caught or not.

Their agreement is outside the discussion.

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
12:11 pm

Doggone–no one is discussing freedom of speech in this context, nor freedom of religion. The point is breaking the commandment you say you adhere to.

As for “Almight.” I wrote THE Alm-ghty. It is a tradtion in my faith to never write the name without leaving out a vowel to that we do not presuppose to know the name of G-d. As used here, it is the modern English translation of El Sh-ddai.

In Arabic there are 99 names for G-d. The camel alone knows the hundredth name of All-h and thus that peculiar smirk on his face. So, then, may I now assume that’s where your smirk originates, Fatima?

“And “Almight” is not God’s name either.” :-)

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
12:14 pm

NORMAL–”…Oh! Happy day…”

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
12:16 pm

NORMAL & MD–”Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I’m going to go outside and eat worms, long thin skinny ones, big fat juicy ones, my how they wiggle and squirm…” :-)

md

June 20th, 2009
12:18 pm

“YOU are the one who said “Yea, but one is only a crook if they get caught” – which is flat wrong. Crook, criminal, whatever…they are still guilty, caught or not.”

Bad choice of words on my part. They are only crooks – in their eyes – if they get caught.

Better?

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
12:20 pm

“Doggone–no one is discussing freedom of speech in this context, nor freedom of religion. The point is breaking the commandment you say you adhere to.”

I am. Wright has the freedom to say whatever he wants…we have freedom of speech in this country. That others will condemn what he says does not negate his right to say it.

“As for “Almight.” I wrote THE Alm-ghty. It is a tradtion in my faith to never write the name without leaving out a vowel to that we do not presuppose to know the name of G-d. As used here, it is the modern English translation of El Sh-ddai.”

But Almight, God, and Lord are none of them the NAME of God. They are merely descriptive words to indicate his importance to believers and others familiar with the concept of that God. So leaving out the vowels is pointless…since you are NOT using God’s name.

“In Arabic there are 99 names for G-d. The camel alone knows the hundredth name of All-h and thus that peculiar smirk on his face. So, then, may I now assume that’s where your smirk originates, Fatima?”

I wouldn’t have a clue. I don’t know Arabic and the only word I am familiar with from that language is Allah. The dictionary I consulted says “Allah” is “The name for God, the Supreme Being, in the Arabic language; the common name for God in Islam.”

But the name FOR God is not the same thing as God’s name. Your name for ME might be “bitch” for all I know, but that is not my name.

DoggoneGA

June 20th, 2009
12:24 pm

“They are only crooks – in their eyes – if they get caught.

Better?”

Yep, much better. Because it says what you really meant…plus has the virtue of being true!

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
12:27 pm

DoggoneGa–

“Your name for ME might be “bitch” for all I know, but that is not my name.”

Not to worry, Dear Heart, I’ve way too much respect for G-d’s four-legged creatures than that.

Joey

June 20th, 2009
12:45 pm

Jay;
In the last 10 or so days I have read, including your two, 15 to 18 news articles and commentaries regarding Americorps and IG Walpin. Over the last couple of days they have included, but not all are limited to, the spin you have chosen to put out.

I did not read any comments. I suspect others have pointed to your inability, unwillingness, refusal to mention any illegal activity that IG Walpin discovered or the people who participated or were touched by those illegal activities.

Shameful display of an absense of integrity.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
12:53 pm

Josef…Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I’m going to eat some worms. Bite their heads off, suck their guts out, I’m going to eat some worms…But only if they are young and plump…

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 20th, 2009
12:55 pm

The Age Discrimination Act of 1975 prohibits discrimination on the basis of age in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance. The Act, which applies to all ages, permits the use of certain age distinctions and factors other than age that meet the Act’s requirements. The Age Discrimination Act is enforced by the Civil Rights Center.

Ahahahahahahaha.

I rule.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
12:55 pm

MD and Doggone, Haven’t you figured out yet that there is only one American crime? The crime of getting caught. Ha, ha…God Bless America…I think I’ve been out in the sun too long…;>)

Normal

June 20th, 2009
12:57 pm

Brutus, please explain your 12:55

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 20th, 2009
1:12 pm

Wll, why doesn’t Americorps governing board release its minutes. The discussion around the vote to remove Walpin should be there. If not, perhaps an experienced sprecial prosecutor with no dog in the hunt, like Ken Starr, should investigate the Obama White House.

ByteMe

June 20th, 2009
1:18 pm

Normal: I think he means that I rule, since I brought up the possibility of an ADA suit earlier this morning.

Normal

June 20th, 2009
1:21 pm

Wild Bill, Ken Starr…The Republican witch hunter? Yeah, no dog in the hunt…RIIGGHHT!

Normal

June 20th, 2009
1:22 pm

ByteMe…He doesn’t take his meds often enough…Just sayin’

TnGelding

June 20th, 2009
1:56 pm

josef nix

June 20th, 2009
11:44 am

He was praying. And I would concur that it is just as likely for Him to damn America as to bless it. For we have sinned, badly. Nap time, too hot to do anything outside.

oldmac

June 21st, 2009
7:25 am

Maybe, maybe not Jay but in your interminable effort to shill for the Dems, I think you failed to mention if the KJ investigation had been taken back up. Well, has it? Seems like you’d want to get to the bottom of it regardless of whether this guys mind was going of what? Well, HAS IT?
KJ