Walter Cronkite reported gravely ill at 92

For those of a certain age, this will be news. For others, not so much. I think you had to be there at the time to get it, so to speak.

From TV Newser at Mediabistro:

TVNewser has learned legendary CBS newsman Walter Cronkite, 92, who once held the title of “Most Trusted Man in America,” is gravely ill, according to multiple CBS News sources. The network began updating his obituary more than a week ago, a source adds. CBS News executive Linda Mason, designated to speak on Cronkite’s behalf, had no comment.”

Today was the first time I ever saw this clip. As a piece of history, an artifact of its time and as testament to “Uncle Walter,” it’s pretty moving.

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I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
8:02 am

Our prayers are with him.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
8:04 am

At issue was $5 billion tucked away in the bill (War Supplemental) to secure a $108 billion International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan. Republicans blasted it as a “global bailout” and pointed out that the $108 billion IMF package is actually larger than the nearly $80 billion going to the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.-AmSpec

Is there no end to democrat malfeasance?

eewww

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
8:07 am

Reagan went back to writing what was supposed to be a Christmas message, deciding to use the occasion to send another message altogether to the Soviets, condemning them outright for their conduct in Poland: “We can’t let this revolution against Communism fail without offering a hand,” he wrote that day in his diary. “We may never have an opportunity like this in our lifetime.”-AmSpec

To this day Poland remains a country where it’s people live free from tyranny.

Iran isn’t.

A little courage goes a long way.

Normal

June 19th, 2009
8:19 am

I saw the broadcast when he came back from Viet Nam and said we were losing the war. I shivered. And the next day I got my draft notice…
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Mr. Cronkite was the most trusted face in T.V. News of his day…Too bad the “Fox New’s” of today have tarnished that. When will we have trustworthy newscasters of that stature again? Todays newsmen have a lot to live up to.
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Normal said:
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him;
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Caesar … The noble WHINER
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it …
Here, under leave of WHINER and the rest,
(For WHINER is an honourable man;
So are they all (NEO CONS); all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral …
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But WHINER says he was ambitious;
And WHINER is an honourable man….
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet WHINER says he was ambitious;
And WHINER is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet WHINER says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what WHINER spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
————-
…JUst sayin’

ByteMe

June 19th, 2009
8:23 am

I am of that certain age where Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, and Reasoner were the voices of “truth” and miss that seriousness when “news” wasn’t controlled by the entertainment divisions.

clyde

June 19th, 2009
8:25 am

You had to be there and I was there.Thank you,Walter Cronkite.

Pennsylvanian

June 19th, 2009
8:26 am

I remember this well. Like 9/11/2001, etched in permanent memory. I was in 5th grade. The principal had moved a TV into the hall, and all were watching. Students were confused, as most of us had never heard the word ‘assassinated’ before and never seen teachers weeping. Later in the 60’s Walter Cronkite brought a war to us in a way never before seen.

God be with you, Walter.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
8:27 am

If he is to pass, here’s hoping his passage beyond this mortal coil is peaceful.

(Oh, and Jay, I think you wanted this link, not the generic homepage to Newser.)

Normal

June 19th, 2009
8:28 am

ByteMe, Me too…Iremember Dad calling us in to watch the news back then as a family meeting…Mom always compared it to the Fireside Chats that FDR did. Think we will ever have those days again?

Mrs. Godzilla

June 19th, 2009
8:31 am

I saw this live as well…..I didn’t understand it’s full import then.

I remember the tears on my Pop’s face.

Thank you Mr. Cronkite.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:32 am

Byte Me and Normal –

I don’t worry about the Entertainment division … I worry about the corporate parents … THEY’RE the ones who make the important decisions (i.e., BUDGET)

mike

June 19th, 2009
8:35 am

Best wishes for Walter Cronkite. We could use more like him.

Joe Matarotz

June 19th, 2009
8:37 am

That harks back to a time when you could trust the reporters to tell it like it was, not how they wanted it to be.

mike

June 19th, 2009
8:38 am

Remember Jay’s post about the U.S. Global Change Research Program and the requisite sneering about “deniers”?

Looks like the report is seriously flawed:

The new federal report on climate change gets a withering critique from Roger Pielke Jr., who says that it misrepresents his own research and that it wrongly concludes that climate change is already responsible for an increase in damages from natural disasters. Dr. Pielke, a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado, asks:

[Why] is a report characterized by [White House] Science Advisor John Holdren as being the “most up-to-date, authoritative, and comprehensive” analysis relying on a secondary, non-peer source citing another non-peer reviewed source from 2000 to support a claim that a large amount of uncited and more recent peer-reviewed literature says the opposite about?
You can check out Dr. Pielke’s blog for a detailed rebuttal of how the report presents science in his area of expertise, the study of trends in natural disasters and their relation to climate change. While the new federal report (prepared by 13 agencies and the White House) paints a dire picture of climate change’s impacts, Dr. Pielke says that the authors of this new report, like those of previous reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the Stern Review, cherrypick weak evidence that fits their own policy preferences. He faults all these reports for all relying on “non-peer reviewed, unsupportable studies rather than the relevant peer-reviewed literature” and for “featuring non-peer-reviewed work conducted by the authors.”

Dr. Pielke contrasts these reports’ conclusions about trends in natural disasters with the some quite different findings last year by the federal Climate Change Science Program. Dr. Pielke summarizes some of its less sensational conclusions:

1. Over the long-term, U.S. hurricane landfalls have been declining.
2. Nationwide there have been no long-term increases in drought.
3. Despite increases in some measures of precipitation . . . there have not been corresponding increases in peak streamflows (high flows above 90th percentile).
4. There have been no observed changes in the occurrence of tornadoes or thunderstorms
5. There have been no long-term increases in strong East Coast winter storms (ECWS), called Nor’easters.
6. There are no long-term trends in either heat waves or cold spells, though there are trends within shorter time periods in the overall record.
Do those benign trends seem surprising to you? What do you think of Dr. Pielke’s arguments? Here’s his overall conclusion about the dangers of hyping the link between natural disasters and climate change: “Until the climate science community cleans up its act on this subject it will continue to give legitimate opportunities for opponents to action to criticize the climate science community.”

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us-climate-report-assailed/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Normal

June 19th, 2009
8:40 am

USinUK, True enough, but it should not be that way. If we were the “Free” society that the Conservative type jaw about, we would have a free press, unfetered by any restraints, instead of right wingers like Murdoch buying them up. How free is that, y’all…Just askin’
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USinUK, It’s been a really long time since I was in the UK, but tell me, do they still have those fish and chip barrows? I remember them with much pleasure. All wrapped up in the London Times…And I still have hopes of walking the Decks of HMS Victory some day.

Copyleft

June 19th, 2009
8:42 am

Man, the wingnuts can’t stop pounding away at their hopeless posting of irrelevancies even for a SECOND, can they?

It’s futile to wish for a “full and speedy recovery” for a 92-year old man, but I hope Mr. Cronkite is at peace and in no pain. A public servant of his caliber–a true journalist, rather than simply a stenographer-parrot–deserves no less.

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
8:42 am

Can anyone post the link to Jay’s piece up yonder? My Intertubes isn’t working too well today.

Said it before – one of the worse things to EVER happen to this country is 24/7 news. And I use the term “news” lightly. We don’t have news anymore it’s entertainment.

God speed Mr. Cronkite. You were the best that I can remember.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:44 am

Hi Normal!

There are fish and chip shops everywhere, but they don’t wrap in newspaper anymore (now, it’s plain butcher’s paper) … YUM! When you were here, was the HMS Belfast anchored in the Thames?? that’s an impressive ship! Sadly, there was a horrible fire in the Cutty Sark, so it’ll be some time before that can be boarded again

mike

June 19th, 2009
8:44 am

Copyleft –

“Man, the wingnuts can’t stop pounding away at their hopeless posting of irrelevancies even for a SECOND, can they?”

Yes, because folks like you and getalife are always providing us with relevant and factual posts.

Spare us the ceaseless hypocrisy.

@@

June 19th, 2009
8:45 am

I was very young but my Dad watched him. The other two also…”Goodnight (?)”…”Goodnight (?)”

Very stoic and professional.

Dan RATHER worked with him????? Dan should’a paid closer attention.

A “good word” goes up for Mr. C.

Pennsylvanian

June 19th, 2009
8:46 am

Normal – The free press comment cuts both ways. Cox Communications, owners of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, bought out their local competition, then shut it down. There is a school now in the building that once housed a newspaper.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:47 am

Bosch -

Happy Friday, Bosch!

“one of the worse things to EVER happen to this country is 24/7 news. And I use the term “news” lightly. We don’t have news anymore it’s entertainment.”

I think Uncle Ted was on to a good idea with CNN – I still believe in the value of the 24/7 news availability … that’s where I was for the election results, that’s where I was for 9/11, that’s where I was for Gulf War I. However, the problem is when major news ISN’T happening – they’re not deploying investigative reporters, they’re doing the “Missing White Woman” / “Runaway Bride” / “Britney Meltdown” rotation 24/7. THAT is a crime and a waste of resources.

Turd Ferguson

June 19th, 2009
8:47 am

Huntly/Brinkley…YES.
Cronkite…not so much so…nevertheless and should it come to pass…RIP Wally.

ByteMe

June 19th, 2009
8:48 am

Normal, no, I think the lid is off Pandora’s Box now and we can’t put everything back the way it was. Sensationalism rules the day. Everything that’s unimportant is “breaking news” in order to sell more perscription meds to the masses. If it’s a slow news day, news MUST be created to justify round-the-clock broadcasts.

I’d like to blame this all on Ted Turner, but I know that’s not true, because his original idea was on target, but taken and expanded in absurd ways by Time-Warner, GE, and Fox Corp.

Normal

June 19th, 2009
8:49 am

USinUK…It was 52 yeaes ago when I was there. Went with Dad on some Army business, we were stationed in Germany. I’m not even sure the
Victory was there, or I’m sure I would have insisted we see it. Dad was Army, so of course I just had to be Navy…

ByteMe

June 19th, 2009
8:49 am

@@, the quotes you seek are:

“Good Night, Chet”
“Good Night, David”

And now, “Good sailing and pleasant journey, Walter.”

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:49 am

“RIP Wally”

as the Python boys said … “he’s not dead, yet”

Normal

June 19th, 2009
8:52 am

Pennsylvanian What Local Paper, what school?

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
8:53 am

USinUK and ByteME,

I agree with you about how CNN used to be, but not now. They have “experts” come on and basically scream each other down to make their points, when there is really no point to be made.

I feel that the sensationalism (good word ByteME) and the talk radio morons have done so much damage to this country by making every one hyper partisan.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:53 am

Normal –

wow – 52 years … you wouldn’t recognize the place, now … you should make a visit! (the dollar is around $1.65 right now – better than the $2 it was last year) … I love this place – you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting something historic (roman ruins, fire of London, Drake’s ship the Golden Hind, the Globe, the Tower) … even out in the burbs where we live, you can see where the roman road to Londinium went through (man, those guys built things to LAST) …

you really should come back :-)

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
8:55 am

And OMG, the Georgia Theater is on fire. And apparently Luckovich is just as gravely concerned about our pandas as I am.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:55 am

Bosch and Byteme –

“I feel that the sensationalism (good word ByteME) and the talk radio morons have done so much damage to this country by making every one hyper partisan.”

couldn’t agree more … at least when Buckley had his point/counterpoint roundtables, they actually let each other speak, they made salient points, they actually DISCUSSED the issues of the day rather than had a shouting match. (Jon Stewart had the right of it – those shows are ruining the country)

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
8:55 am

If I want to watch the “news” I watch BBC America.

md

June 19th, 2009
8:56 am

“Too bad the “Fox New’s” of today have tarnished that.”

” If we were the “Free” society that the Conservative type jaw about, we would have a free press, unfetered by any restraints, instead of right wingers like Murdoch buying them up.”

It aint “normal” to be so biased.

If Fox is the only skewed news source, you are looking at the world through some awful distorted glasses. They all have an agenda, one way or the other. And please, tell me GE doesn’t do the same as Murdoch. Try looking from the middle of the room vs from the corners.

Linville

June 19th, 2009
8:57 am

Borsch,

Completely agree on news. I saw Koppel speak a couple of years ago, he lamented the change. Interestingly, when Cronkite was the man news was not a profit item for the networks…they lost money. Then 20/20 came along and the networks figured out that news could pull good advertising revenue. The rest is history.

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest

June 19th, 2009
8:58 am

USinUK
ship! Sadly, there was a horrible fire in the Cutty Sark, so it’ll
There is a Cutty Sark? I have always wanted to see Nelsin’s ship. Is it there and avalaible for touring? What about the BASS brewery?
I went to London in the early 90’s to catch the KINKS. Sad to say, I don’t remember a thing. We were dependant on MAC flights and had very little time.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
8:58 am

Bosch –

don’t watch them cover things like the election or the inauguration – they’re DREADFUL at it!!! (they talked over the Marine Corps Band – I mean!!! that’s just. not. right.)

but they do a great job at presenting balanced global news -

Normal

June 19th, 2009
9:00 am

MD…Good point. In my endeavors to see all sides, sometimes I box myself in…Thanks for “eyes opened”…Just sayin’

Doggone/GA

June 19th, 2009
9:01 am

“Then 20/20 came along and the networks figured out that news could pull good advertising revenue. The rest is history.”

Actually, it’s my understanding that it was Kennedy’s assassination that started the change to profit-making news shows. Up until that happened, no news show made a profit…they weren’t expected to. They were just an expense neccessary to maintain the networks license to broadcast.

But when Kennedy was assassinated, all three networks news shows made profits and once the networks realized they COULD, they made the corporate change to insist they SHOULD.

Pennsylvanian

June 19th, 2009
9:04 am

Normal – Gwinnett Daily News, Louise Radloff school off Shackelford Rd. Nice looking building seen on east side of I85, just south of Steve Reynolds.

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
9:04 am

I finally got the link to come up on my Intertubes. Wow. Wow. Pause for a moment…….

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:04 am

Obama/Petty –

“There is a Cutty Sark? I have always wanted to see Nelsin’s ship. Is it there and avalaible for touring? What about the BASS brewery?
I went to London in the early 90’s to catch the KINKS. Sad to say, I don’t remember a thing. We were dependant on MAC flights and had very little time.”

yes, there is a Cutty Sark moored in Greenwich. it was one of the great trade schooners that they used to use – and it was absolutely beautiful — (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/The_Cutty_Sark_2005-01-24.jpg)

The Victory is in Portsmouth in dry dock – I don’t know if you can actually go ON it, but I would assume so.

too bad you don’t remember the Kinks show – I’ll bet it kicked butt! one of my coworkers saw Ray Davies perform last year at Somerset house – said he’s still got it.

@@

June 19th, 2009
9:05 am

OUCH! this had to sting:

Khamenei singled out the U.S., mocking America’s concern for human rights issues in Iran, noting that secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s husband was president when federal forces stormed the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Scores of people died after a fire ravaged the compound.

“Do you even believe in human rights?” he said, criticizing the U.S. for its involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, and its support for Israel.

“The followers of the Davidian sect were staging a sit-in protest in a house,” he said. “The authorities asked them to come out. The Davidians refused. More than 80 men, women and children were burned alive in this house.”

Can’t deny ^^^ that.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:06 am

“I finally got the link to come up on my Intertubes. Wow. Wow. Pause for a moment…….”

and again I say … CURSE YOU FIREWALL!!!

ByteMe

June 19th, 2009
9:06 am

“60 Minutes” was there long before 20/20.

And I don’t think it was the “news can be profitable” mentality, but what happened after they discovered that 24-hour news could be profitable. So if one channel could be profitable, then two must be better! And then MORE… and then FOUR!! (if you don’t get the reference, you don’t have little kids)

Just how much news do they think we can consume??

Normal

June 19th, 2009
9:07 am

Pennsylvanian- Thanks, I know that place! I never knew it was a paper, wow…

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:08 am

@@ … yeah, there the Davidians were, minding their own business when suddenly, from out of nowhere, the gov’t stormed their compound???

please. there was a 51-day standoff – Koresh could have gotten the wimmen and children out at any time but chose not to.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
9:09 am

That harks back to a time when you could trust the reporters to tell it like it was, not how they wanted it to be.

Uh huh-

Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) had advised him the 1968 Tet Offensive had been a defeat.

The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive of 1968 became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism of the news media. The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America’s resolve to win the war. The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.

Although most of the attacks were quickly defeated, in Hue and at the American provincial base at Khe Sahn Tet signalled the beginning of protracted battles. Yet there was no “general uprising” in South Vietnam. The “quick victory” had turned into a disastrous defeat and recriminations within the communist leadership soon followed. With the Viet Cong decimated, General Giap lost much of his authority, ultimately being retained merely in the figurehead role of Minister of Defence. Only much later would the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese realize what they had actually achieved.

AmVet

June 19th, 2009
9:09 am

As long as we are remembering JFK:

“What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”

“For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.”

“Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.”

“Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority.”

“Some pundits are saying it’s 1928 all over again. I say it’s 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.”

Or the new frontiers of the 2000s.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it lib loathers. Your angry childish insults hold no sting and have no power…

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest

June 19th, 2009
9:10 am

@@

Khamenei singled out the U.S., mocking America’s concern for human rights issues in Iran, noting that secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s husband was president when federal forces stormed the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Scores of people died after a fire ravaged the compound.

I heard that too. The silence from liberal and conservative news orginizations is deafening about that remark.

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
9:10 am

ByteMe,

And Rush came on the air nationally in the late 80s and started gaining popularity during the Clinton years. I don’t know if it’s just that I wasn’t paying attention, but I certainly do not remember seeing the likes of bumper stickers that read “Make a Liberal Mad: Be Successful” and things like that before the mid-90s.

mm

June 19th, 2009
9:11 am

Whiner lies.

And that’s the way it is, Friday, June 19th, 2009.

clyde

June 19th, 2009
9:11 am

US in UK,
They stopped wrapping fish’n'chips in newspaper because of health reasons.You can’t get the same quality fish’n'chips in the U.S. because the flour that’s used for the batter isn’t available here.

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
9:12 am

Wait, I hit the button too soon.

I feel that Rush, for one, but the 24/7 news screamers have really key in how people blame the other parties, and the whole “my side” team like mentality of politics now.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:13 am

Completely agree on news. I saw Koppel speak a couple of years ago, he lamented the change. Interestingly, when Cronkite was the man news was not a profit item for the networks…they lost money. Then 20/20 came along and the networks figured out that news could pull good advertising revenue. The rest is history.

Well, it really began more slowly than that, first with 60 minutes (from Cronkite’s own CBS, of course) becoming a top-rated evening program. It was relatively inexpensive, compared to scripted programming, so the profits were potentially enormous.

(Then again, if you were listening to Koppel, I’m not surprised he’d us 20/20 as an example–it’s a good one, too.)

Combine this with media ownership consolidation, competition from other sources, then of course the whole “we can program hours of primetime by paying the talent NOTHING via ‘reality-based’ stuff”, and you have the horrorshow that is TV “news” -ish stuff today.

Anyway, again, all the best to Walter. You done good, bro.

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest

June 19th, 2009
9:14 am

AmVet

It is weird how words get hi-jacked.

I am a liberal too. Real Old School.
I would’nt want to be idealogically aligned with Pelosi or John Conyers though.

Eddy

June 19th, 2009
9:15 am

All of the news outlets are biased…some more than others. For those of you who believe that CNN, CNBC and the Alphabets are objective sources of news, you really need some serious introspection. Of course if you had that ability, you wouldn’t believe that they are objective. Delusions can be wonderful as long as they don’t hurt someone else.

dw

June 19th, 2009
9:15 am

To Copyleft,

You’re so correct. You (left wingnut) can’t stop taking cheapshots. You have to belittle a nice sentiment. I call it as I see it.

Brad Steel

June 19th, 2009
9:15 am

With deluded iron, the WHINER pontificates: “A little courage goes a long way.”

With you nameless blog handle and divisive cut-n-paste lecturing, WHINER, you have fully demonstrated that you couldn’t identify courage is it was shoved in your butt.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:16 am

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:16 am

clyde –

yeah on the newspaper/health thing – if I remember correctly, it has to do with the print. (I could be wrong)

I don’t know why there’s a difference, I only know that it is one of those meals where you can actually feel the grease enter your system … and you just don’t care cuz it’s still soooooo good! (the Tate modern has some of the best fish and chips in the city, if you’re interested)

I rule Andy

June 19th, 2009
9:17 am

Who set those fires? Who was in violation of the law? WQho was having sex with children? Who killed federal officers while they were serving a warrant?

Why do conservative always feel it’s ok to kill and them whine like stuck pigs when someone has to be held accountable.

Unbelievable, there’s so much wrong with you throwing your support for a twisted man such as David Koresh, or maybe I have it wrong and he was the “Lamb of God” as he claimed. Look out for false prophets, especially the ones that claim themselves to be so.

Now you and the supreme ayatollah are of like mind…

I weep for the children you are in control of on a daily basis.

“We’re a nation of laws”, if the Lamb of God was innocent then he should’ve submitted to the authorities and proven that in a court of law. They were in Texas for god’s sake, probably one of the best circuits to submit a “I’m the Lamb of God” defense and prevail…

So Willy can’t get a hummer in the WH, ACORN can’t orginize voters, but any religious nutbag with the charisma to gain followers can stockpile weapons and have sex with girls before the age of consent, kill federal agents in the line of duty, and it’s a “sit-in”???

Dear god…

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

RW-(the original)

June 19th, 2009
9:18 am

And that’s the way it is….

I always looked forward to hearing that as a kid, but mainly because it meant my grandfather would be free to come out and hit fly balls to me.

Godspeed Walter, in retrospect you probably ushered in agenda driven journalism when you began editorializing a wee bit in your news reports, but when we found out what a devout leftist you were in your later years it’s remarkable how much of your bias you left outside the studio door.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pennsylvanian,

The Gwinnett Daily News was a fine publication and had it been left alone this city might still have a newspaper.

Turd Ferguson

June 19th, 2009
9:19 am

Brinkley was light years ahead of Cronkite.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:20 am

gah. you want to read a crappy newspaper, look no further than the Marietta Daily Journal – proof that “independent /= quality”

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:22 am

TF –

Cronkite will ALWAYS be, in my mind, the guy who brought us science and outer space. you could tell he LOVED learning about what NASA was doing – his genuine interest showed.

Normal

June 19th, 2009
9:22 am

Brutus, ‘68 Tet, I know I felt like I didn’t win a thing except staying alive…And Hue was no pic nic either. But the point here is the News People just reported the facts and the facts were that Johnson did not want to be the first President to lose the war, so he just kept throwing men and material at it and micro managed the war to defeat with 58000+ lives wasted, yes WASTED! As I told you before you can’t have it both ways, you want less Government, more freedom, then you want “tell it like it is and not how you want it to be” press. You can’t be that blind…Just sayin’
—————-
And as an aside…The demostrations were just young Americans exercising their rights as Americans…or don’t you believe in the Bill of Rights, either…Just askin’

I rule Andy

June 19th, 2009
9:24 am

Of course, the fact that women can get an abortion will justify ALL the murders committed by conservatives…

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:24 am

RW, just so you know, some crazy thing calling itself “Spooge” was addressing you earlier this am.

Beyond that, I was curious what you meant by @ 9.18 “had it been left alone”. When did this change occur to the GDP, and what was it? (I used to read the paper regularly, but don’t have get it delivered any more.)

Normal

June 19th, 2009
9:25 am

USinUK…I take umbrage there. The Marietta paper is the only one I know of that puts cryptology puzzles in the entertainment section…;>)

AmVet

June 19th, 2009
9:25 am

So a religious nut job and despot of the nth degree sides with the murderers in Waco, and this is news how? Some will do damn near anything to excuse the wicked.

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest, liberals have changed the world. For better and worse, tis true.

But unlike the reactionaries who’ve never had the guts to crawl out from under their beds and enact change, we did and do so even when it is horrifically painful. As in ending that murderous madness in the jungle and helping Those People gain some modicum of justice and equality.

The history of many such actions and the benefits thereof are irrefutable.

The conned are loathe to take such risks.

And they still don’t…

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:26 am

Whoops. Gwinnett Daily NEWS != Gwinnett Daily Post. Never mind.

TnGelding

June 19th, 2009
9:28 am

How could someone in the news business have missed this? I’ve seen it many times. He was a goodun. 92? It’s time.

Iran:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/inside/govt.html

The sad fact is there is nothing Obama could do even if those killed were U.S. citizens, but bomb some meaningless site that would kill more innocents. It’ll play out in a day or two and things will get back to normal there. We, of all people, shouldn’t be questioning the validity of elections after the fiascos we’ve experienced over the last 9 years.

Paul

June 19th, 2009
9:30 am

Mr. Cronkite was a journalist, a newsman who was respected and trusted. He really does represent a bygone era. Godspeed.

Normal 8:19

Paragraph 2: I’d offer that’s because Cronkite was a journalist, a newsman. Most of those we see on the cable channels, let alone the networks (and heck, I’ll include many newspapers) aren’t. It’s not limited to one channel. Most of the cable people are opinion and entertainment shows and many ‘reporters’ are collators of information from other sources.

Copyleft 8:42

[[It’s futile to wish for a “full and speedy recovery” for a 92-year old man]]

Where’s your optimism, your sense of what’s possible? Futile? What are the implications of that?!!? My grandmother made a recovery at a similar age and went full-out for another 7 years. My gosh, her mind and memory were sharp right up to the end.

An observation: long after Mr. Cronkite retired and began writing and speaking, there were a lot of people who said “wow! He’s quit liberal.” Some said they kind of suspected it but weren’t sure.

That’s why some believed the line that journalists subvert their personal views and just reported the news. It rang true with the likes of Cronkite. With most of today’s crop, not so much.

USinUK

Plaice. Grilled. Incredible.

DB, Gwinnettian 9:13

Aw, c’mon, isn’t that kind of a cheap shot, expecting the worst? Didn’t you read the first post of the day?

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest

June 19th, 2009
9:30 am

“The demostrations were just young Americans exercising their rights as Americans…or don’t you believe in the Bill of Rights, either…Just askin’”

The National Guard of our Human Rights respecting federal goverment took care of 4 of these yutes.

Paul

June 19th, 2009
9:31 am

That’s Cronkite was ‘quite’ liberal, not ‘quit’ liberal.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:32 am

Normal –

“The Marietta paper is the only one I know of that puts cryptology puzzles in the entertainment section”

wow. I haven’t thought about that in AGES – my mom used to LOVE those!! (thanks for the memory!) :-)

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:34 am

“The National Guard of our Human Rights respecting federal goverment took care of 4 of these yutes”

yep. nothing says “freedom” and “liberty” quite like shooting unarmed students.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:34 am

Aw, c’mon, isn’t that kind of a cheap shot, expecting the worst?

I wasn’t going to post it until Andy started warming up with the Tet business @ 9.09.

That was a sideswipe at Cronkite, obviously.

RW-(the original)

June 19th, 2009
9:35 am

DB,

Does your 9:26 mean I don’t need to answer your 9:24. I think I’ll pass on the link so as not to encourage my groupies, but thanks anyway.

RealityKing

June 19th, 2009
9:38 am

Ironically, much like our ability to trust today’s progressively state run media.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:39 am

“state run media”

wow. the government owns Disney? the government owns GE?

what a load of bollocks.

RW-(the original)

June 19th, 2009
9:40 am

Good Lord….Obama is back on TV again.

For all of you fretting about the content on 24 hour news stations you’ll be begging to get them back with all their warts once we have 24 hours of Obama speeches looped on them all.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
9:43 am

Who set those fires? Who was in violation of the law? WQho was having sex with children? Who killed federal officers while they were serving a warrant?

Notice that the baby killing left has no issues with burning to death 50 some children as long as they got the preacher.

sick

Bosch

June 19th, 2009
9:43 am

Oh heaven forbid – the President of the United States is on the TV.

Doggone/GA

June 19th, 2009
9:43 am

“once we have 24 hours of Obama speeches looped on them all.”

Won’t bother ME a bit. I don’t watch them anyway, now…so why would I start watching them then?

Paul

June 19th, 2009
9:44 am

DB, Gwinnettian

As the Tet piece showed, there was a misunderstanding within the US as to the military outcome. Sure, we hammered the North and the VC, but after those many years of war, all the light at the end of the tunnel, there was quite a feeling of ‘we had them on the ropes, how could they launch such a large-scale offensive?”

If they did it once, were more in the offing, some years down the road?

So militarily we took’em, but given that war is a continuation of politics by other means, we didn’t succeed politically. So we didn’t militarily. I’m not sure it was possible with that society, given what we wanted to accomplish (rather like with Afghanistan today, eh?).

So yeah, a lot of the newsmen of the day said ‘it’s over.’ Given our timeline, it was. If we would not have taken that view and pressed on, I rather think the North would’ve retrenched, regrouped and waited us out. They had the vital national interest. We didn’t.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:46 am

RW, @ 9.35, yeah, I just had mistaken one (apparently deceased?) news daily with another.

As for the link, the crazy thing was me. I was just trying to set some things straight about the Sikh Times business. Put short, my issue was with the sloppy bit of news delivery, not with any Sikh, or Sikhs collectively, or those of Dharmic faiths, or anything like that.

(however, one might wish to note for future reference that Sikhs and Muslims haven’t always exactly been best ecumenical buds for, oh, at least 300, 350 years or so now.)

Lastly, and on another note RW, I fear you perhaps watch too much of the TeeVee for your own good. However, you might note that the previous occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania used to be on it a lot, as well. And the one before that. And the one before that…

Mort Merkel

June 19th, 2009
9:46 am

As a Ware County High senior in 1980, saw Walter Cronkite dining at Gallagher’s Steak House in New York while we were on our senior trip. He was gracious to all the south Georgia country folk who wanted to say hello.

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest

June 19th, 2009
9:46 am

RW wrote-

“For all of you fretting about the content on 24 hour news stations you’ll be begging to get them back with all their warts once we have 24 hours of Obama speeches looped on them all.”

This too will pass. In about 7 years when Obama is elevated to Czar of Czar Ayatollah status (like Iran) he will only occasionally give 7 hour speeches.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:47 am

whiner –

“Notice that the baby killing left has no issues with burning to death 50 some children as long as they got the preacher.”

wow. you actually think that Koresh was a man of god.

now, THAT’s sick.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:47 am

As the Tet piece showed, there was a misunderstanding within the US as to the military outcome.

Paul, spare me, I’ve been hearing b!tching and moaning about how Tet was covered by right wing whiners for decades now. Its inclusion in this thread was typically gratuitous.

USinUK

June 19th, 2009
9:47 am

Mort-

okay, now THAT’S cool.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 19th, 2009
9:47 am

Imagine the repercussions. It would mark a decisive blow to Islamist radicalism, of which Iran today is not just standard-bearer and model, but financier and arms supplier. It would do to Islamism what the collapse of the Soviet Union did to communism — leave it forever spent and discredited.-Krauthammer

But that doesn’t work for thee Obozo, himself apparently being an Islamic extremist.

Why would he so profoundly defeat the home team?

koward

Paul

June 19th, 2009
9:48 am

DB

Gotta get out of this consecutive post rut…

Okay, I withdraw ‘cheap shot’ and replace it with ’shot.’

But, still and all, he did have a nice expression of support, given he also had some professional reservations. Not a bad example, that.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 19th, 2009
9:50 am

although to be fair, Paul, the first time I heard complaints about the media’s handling of Tet was from a nice, polite guy much like yourself, so maybe I was being a tad harsh in my dismissal of your patience. mea culpa.

Gotta run. Later all.

Paul

June 19th, 2009
9:52 am

DB 9:47

Spare you the Tet stuff? I’d hoped you picked up the reason for it – the Afghanistan comment.

Given the fact our Pres and many of his advisors didn’t live through that, and given their questionable knowledge of historical parallels, well, it seems like history may be repeating itself.

Normal

June 19th, 2009
9:55 am

Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest – You sir, may also take note of the mistletoe attached to my coattail…Just sayin’

RW-(the original)

June 19th, 2009
9:55 am

Doggone/GA,

Then you obviously aren’t one of the ones complaining about 24 hour news content now so why would you feel the need to jump in on that one?

Paul,

Interesting parallel between Afghanistan and Vietnam, although I would say Afghanistan offers even more challenges than Nam. President Bush understood that and I hope President Obama will come to understand that before we lose another 60,000 in an unwinnable ground war.

Normal,

Were you Navy when you served or just a Navy fan as a kid. If you were Navy I’d be interested in the details of how Tet left you feeling nothing except lucky to be alive.

I rule Andy

June 19th, 2009
9:55 am

Andy the Teabagger’s response was predictable, hence my pre-reply @ 9:24a…

Of course his laughably predictable response doesn’t address the fact that the nutbags inside the compound set the fires that killed all within, it was still the fault of those mean old libs…

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