Here’s what’s happening with Obama poll numbers

Some folks in the thread down below got into a discussion about Obama’s allegedly declining job-approval ratings and the “fact” that the “liberal media” isn’t covering his fall from the public’s grace. So I decided to take a look.

Here are the Obama job-approval numbers — drawn from all the major polls — put together by the excellent folks at Pollster.com. They do show a very gradual decline, although overall the numbers seem pretty strong.

If you look closely at the disapproval numbers, you’ll see a line of red dots consistently higher than numbers produced in the rest of the polls. That’s the Rasmussen poll. It’s somewhat of an outlier, producing consistently worse numbers for Obama than almost anybody else. Interestingly, the Rasmussen numbers have not gotten worse for the president. The most recent numbers put approval/disapproval at 56/43. Two months ago, those same numbers from Rasmussen were 55/43.

Nonetheless, the chart shows a very gradual if slight rise in disapproval numbers. Where is that coming from? Not surprisingly, most of it’s from Republicans, who were never likely to vote for Obama in the first place. Here are the job-approval numbers for Republicans only, again from Pollster.com.


The most important group of voters, those who will determine Obama’s ultimate political fate and that of his programs, are the independents. Again, here are the numbers compiled and charted by Pollster.com. The approval numbers have stayed pretty steady since about mid-March; the disapproval numbers have risen slightly, but in the aggregate Obama’s job approval numbers among independents are 20 points on the positive side, 56.6/36.5.

If conservatives want to make that into front-page news, they’re welcome to do so.

(I should also note that in the latest Strategic Vision poll, Obama’s job approval/disapproval numbers here in red-state Georgia are 49/43.)

203 comments Add your comment

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
11:03 am

Glad to see you finally using Rasmussen, all others pale in comparison.., scientifically speaking.

WhoCares

June 18th, 2009
11:05 am

Nobody asked me. So I guess you can make the numbers in Ga 49/44

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
11:07 am

Polling data show that Obama’s approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama’s net presidential approval rating — which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve — is just six, his lowest rating to date.

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
11:08 am

Nice spin thou Jay…

Normal

June 18th, 2009
11:09 am

Polls, gee I don’t know. Statistics can be manipulated any way you want. Just by using math I can prove we have 11 digits on our hands.
With your right hand count down starting with your thumb, 10-9-8-7-6,
write the six down. Now with your left and starting with your thumb, count up 1-2-3-4-5. Write that down. Add the two numbers…11, right.
just goes to show ya…

Dave R.

June 18th, 2009
11:10 am

Just goes to show you that government-sponsored indoctriation – er, education works.

We’ve dumbed down America sufficiently that a majority of people still think Hope & Change is a good President. Think of what the numbers would be without the lamestream media cheerleading for him.

I Report :-) You Whine :-(

June 18th, 2009
11:10 am

Seeking comfort in the spin cycle, eewww

Jay

June 18th, 2009
11:15 am

Are you folks seeing the charts?

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
11:15 am

I wonder what those 608,000 people laid off last week think of Obamanocis? Serious people can’t blame that on Bush.

Got your government job yet??

Normal

June 18th, 2009
11:16 am

Whiner, answer my 7:25am two floors down…

Normal

June 18th, 2009
11:16 am

I never get the charts…at work.

getalife

June 18th, 2009
11:19 am

Obama Boost: New Poll Shows 76% Support For Choice Of Public Plan :)

But NYT Poll Shows Majority See Obama As Ineffective On The Economy :(

Class of '98

June 18th, 2009
11:24 am

150 days in, and Bookman is rationalizing dropping poll numbers for Obama.

Who didn’t see that coming? hahaha

Mr. Doocy's Altered Ego

June 18th, 2009
11:27 am

I rule Andy

June 18th, 2009
11:27 am

No, they see what they WANT to see…

Of course they rail on and on about Obama, but ignore the fact that the election was anybodies ballgame, and they blew it by embracing extremism… lost opportunities or gained opportunities…

They lost they opportunity to do capture the “conservatives” holy grail, replacement of one (probably two) liberal Supremes, thus the ability to use “conservative” activist judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

They gained the opportunity to wish failure on the country and kvetch non-stop about a democratic administration that carries on the policies of the “Greatest President Ever” George W Bush.

That pretty much shows what “conservatives” find more important, they chose incessant whining over repealing women’s right to an abortion and an opportunity to legislate from the bench for a generation.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Doggone/GA

June 18th, 2009
11:29 am

“Are you folks seeing the charts?”

No

USinUK

June 18th, 2009
11:31 am

nope. no charts here .. but it could be our firewall. (curse you, firewall!!!)

Doggone/GA

June 18th, 2009
11:36 am

Another blog site I frequent had a “Name Cheney’s autobiography book” contest and the winning entry was “Lord of the Lies”

Rush Effectiveness Aggregate Poll

June 18th, 2009
11:38 am

The numbers do not look good, Lush, er, Rush. Perhaps a little more emotion would help. Or, another Republican groveling at your feet. You could always pay Newt to apologize for something. He’ll do anything if the price is right.

pat

June 18th, 2009
11:39 am

I am so happy, PETA is a leftist organization. I think they encapsulate all that the left stand for…Save the flies, kill the babies!

Paul

June 18th, 2009
11:42 am

Jay

The charts show just fine.

Off for a bit to read them. Then off to get some fixins for Scotch Broth.

Later.

Normal

June 18th, 2009
11:43 am

Pat, you should get with Whiner, then perhaps the two of you can answer my 7:25am, two floors down…

Rush Effectiveness Aggregate Poll

June 18th, 2009
11:43 am

That’s right. Sixty-five percent of the losers disapprove of Obama’s performance. I’m shocked too. Why aren’t there 100 percent of the losers disapproving of Obama’s performance. Could it be…no. No. NO! I cannot think such thoughts. I WILL NOT THINK such thoughts. NO!

Normal

June 18th, 2009
11:43 am

Paul, do you use young plump scots with that?

DB, Gwinnettian

June 18th, 2009
11:44 am

Approval numbers all the way down to 56%, five months in?

Yea, verily, I doth tosseth and turneth at nightfall from worry.

getalife

June 18th, 2009
11:45 am

The Independent chart is higher than I thought but when you think of the gop back in power, there really is no choice.

There will be around 30%, the American taliban, cons if you will, wanting the gop to destroy our country again.

Insane?

You betcha ;)

USinUK

June 18th, 2009
11:47 am

“Scotch Broth”

does that involve fried Mars bars???

Joe Matarotz

June 18th, 2009
11:49 am

Jay,

The liberal NY Daily News made it front page news. Maybe you’re just slow on the uptick, hmmmm?

President Obama’s still popular, but his policies are not, show polls
BY Michael Saul
DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

Updated Thursday, June 18th 2009, 9:25 AM

President Obama remains popular with the American people but two new polls find deep misgivings about major policy positions, suggesting the new president’s honeymoon may be coming to an end.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll pegged Obama’s job approval rating at 56%, a fall from 61% in April. Obama’s approval rating among independents in this poll dropped dramatically, from nearly a two-to-one approval to closely divided.

Similarly, this poll exposed deep concerns about the administration’s approach to the economic crisis, notably its policy prescription for the beleaguered auto industry.

Nearly seven in 10 Americans said they had concerns about the federal government’s intervention in the economy, including the administration’s decision to take an ownership stake in General Motors and the limits set by the White House on executive compensation.

Obama and Congress should worry more about keeping the deficit down, 58% of the respondents said. A majority disapproved of Obama’s decision to close the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The latest New York Times/CBS News poll revealed 60% of Americans believe the Obama administration has failed to develop a clear plan for dealing with the budget deficit.

A majority, 52%, said the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should focus instead on reducing the deficit.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/

Bosch

June 18th, 2009
11:50 am

Well, at least they tried, but alas, Brazil came up the victor 3-0. Sigh. I’m off to sulk for a while.

Jay

June 18th, 2009
11:51 am

OK, folks, I think I fixed the chart problem. Take a look.

USinUK

June 18th, 2009
11:53 am

RealityKing –

“Polling data show that Obama’s approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001″

please, show your supporting data.

because the 100-day polling data that I found shows Obama at a 63% approval at the end of his first 100 days and W at 58%.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/04/26/what-the-american-people-think-about-barack-obama/

Right on Right

June 18th, 2009
11:53 am

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But,under the name of “liberalism,”they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation,without knowing how it happened” I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform. Norman Mattoon Thomas – six time Presidential Candidate (Socialist Party of America)

Rush Effectiveness Aggregate Poll

June 18th, 2009
11:54 am

Works for me — the appearance part. It’s the results that don’t do it for me.

Same Old Whiners

June 18th, 2009
11:56 am

Well, I just don’t believe it. How could anyone think that Obama is doing a good job. I mean, after all that we in the fair and balanced end of the media have told the public. How. How. HOW!

DB, Gwinnettian

June 18th, 2009
11:57 am

Jay, poll charts display fine ‘n dandy.

Norman Mattoon Thomas – six time Presidential Candidate (Socialist Party of America)

and, likely, the first time any of us have heard of the guy.

Congratulations, Norm–you got noticed. for your next trick, might I suggest setting your underpants on fire?

DB, Gwinnettian

June 18th, 2009
12:05 pm

The most important group of voters, those who will determine Obama’s ultimate political fate and that of his programs, are the independents.

Interestingly, that same polling aggregator shows the number of people self-IDing as “independents” has risen sharply in the past month, almost entirely at the expense of self-IDing Republicans, apparently.

But it’s only a month’s worth of increase, so who knows why that might be.

Redneck Convert

June 18th, 2009
12:14 pm

Well, when President Palin takes office you’ll really see some good approval numbers. All us Conservatives just dream of the day she stands there with her husband and kids and maybe 8 or 10 grandkids, some of them legal and others the result of axidents, and takes the oath of office.

Anyhow, I can’t help but feel a little disappointed. Every day us Conservatives get on blogs and blast away at this Obama and it don’t hardly make any diffrence in his numbers. And it seems like his numbers go up when old Newt or Sarah or that Mormon Romney cut loose on him. At this rate we’ll need to about 2028 before we get him down to the point we got a chance. And while we’re waiting he’s going to let My President’s tax cuts expire and give away health insurance to the shiftless bums and make gays just as good as reglar people and appoint librul judges. And if we keep loosing elections there won’t even be enough Republicans to make a filibuster. We’ll be steamrolled as flat as a possum that’s been run over by a cement truck.

Evil days are upon us. Have a good p.m. everybody.

RB from Gwinnett

June 18th, 2009
12:15 pm

Jay, yes, we noticed the charts. Did you happen to notice D congressional leaders comments saying they want to enact the fairness doctrine before you wrote your piece earlier today?

clyde

June 18th, 2009
12:16 pm

58% of me likes Obama according to the Independent poll.100% of me doesn’t trust him,I can tell you that.

TnGelding

June 18th, 2009
12:22 pm

Polls for the trolls. Does it really matter? If the economy has recovered he’ll be reelected; if not he might not. I’d give him a C+.

Brian

June 18th, 2009
12:30 pm

I find it odd that his job approval numbers remain high, while slipping 5 points from April, given so many are concerned or opposed to his policies according to an NBC news/WSJ poll.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090618/pl_nm/us_obama_polls_1

58% say Obama and Congress should focus on keeping the deficit down, even if it takes longer for the economy to recover.
Nearly 70% said they had concerns about the federal intervention in the economy, including Obama’s decision to take an ownership stake in General Motors and the prospect of more government involvement in healthcare.

A CBS/NYT poll aslo found a distinct difference in Obama’s overall standing and how Americans viewed his major initiatives. Obama’s job approval rating held steady rom last month at 63%, but fewer than half of respondents approved of how he was handling healthcare reform and efforts to save GM & Chrysler.
The poll also found that Americans were alarmed by the amount of money doled out to boost the economy and a majority thought the government should focus instead on reducing the federal deficit.
Both polls also found a majority of Americans opposing Obama’s decision to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Thus the hast by Obama and the Dems to get things done. Damn the torpedos! We’re going to spend as much as we want and ram nationalized healthcare down your throats whether you like or not!

catlady

June 18th, 2009
12:35 pm

Jay: “It’s somewhat of an outlier”

Brother, NO ONE can out-lie the man from Texas and his henchmen!

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
12:39 pm

I’m a little happier every day that I voted for President Obama.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

catlady

June 18th, 2009
12:42 pm

“58% say Obama and Congress should focus on keeping the deficit down, even if it takes longer for the economy to recover.”

These are the people who still have jobs and health care benefits and did not have any stocks or 401K money.

Normal

June 18th, 2009
12:49 pm

Catlady, do you perhaps have one of those pesky, furry felines?

Turd Ferguson

June 18th, 2009
12:50 pm

The only thing I see on the charts is obamas disapproval ratings on the increase and his approval ratings on the slight decrease or staying close to the same. SO overall few are approving. This is good.

AH

June 18th, 2009
12:51 pm

Come on Jay, are you also in on the morning conference call the White House has with it’s media contacts? This is a pure spin story, no one cares that his numbers have dipped, until they hit 49.9999 its a non issue and Barry needs to stop worrying that not everyone is in-love with him. He is obsessed with poll numbers when he needs to actually pick up an economics book and get a clue.

Lefty Lemonade

June 18th, 2009
12:56 pm

Polls are for idiots like Ms Godzilla. I voted for Obama and must say Im quite disappointed. The chart link Godzi brings to the table only confirms my suspcions and apprehensions. Obama has delivered on very very few promises infact delivered on a whopping 8% with many “stalled” or “in the works”. Definition of “stalled” or “in the works” = DOA.

I regret my decision to vote for this up and comer a little more everyday and now question my rationale at the time I cast my vote. Am now thinking perhaps I was just caught up in the hoopla…woe is me.

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
12:57 pm

Rasmussen Reports, Rasmussen Reports , Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president’s performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration’s policies and their impact on peoples’ lives.

Joey

June 18th, 2009
12:57 pm

And besides no one wants to discuss Inspector Generals being fired for doing their job. And certainly no one wants to discuss the findings of thise IG’s.

Jay the consumate Journalist.

Jay

June 18th, 2009
12:57 pm

So that’s how it works, AH? In the earlier thread, the conservative line was that the media were ignoring Obama’s poll numbers, that we were trying to hide them. Repeated posters made that claim.

So I publish the actual poll numbers, and in response I get told that poll numbers mean nothing and I’m accused of pure spin.

Geesh.

booger

June 18th, 2009
12:58 pm

Jay points out that the approval numbers by independents has remained constant, but he fails to point out that the dissapproval numbers by independents has risen from about 10% to 34%.

@@

June 18th, 2009
1:03 pm

OUCHeeee!

I don’t know who drained the intestines of the Obama administration. Candidate Obama said not long ago, “Change happens because the American people … rise up and insist on new ideas and a new leadership, a new politics for a new time.” Would that he remember this.

One firefighter, a former chief, is collecting a disability pension that pays him $13,000 a month, tax-free. The city supports its firefighters with very high property taxes, but only 55 of the 459 live there.

It was over such ^^^^ “grievances” that the Obama administration virtually boycotted a national mayors’ conference.

First I heard of that. Obama do have a problem with facing realities.

Jay

June 18th, 2009
1:03 pm

Several of you here post under different “noms de blogue,” and that’s fine as long as you don’t misrepresent yourself.

However, when your various characters start talking to each other, telling each other how great you are, or when someone pretends to be someone they aren’t, I intervene in defense of honest discussion.

For that reason, I should point out that the person posting as “Lefty Lemonade” claiming to have voted for Obama appears to be the conservative poster who calls himself “Turd Ferguson.”

Normal

June 18th, 2009
1:05 pm

Turd, Are you sh##?ing us?

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:05 pm

Lefty Lemonade called me an idiot!

When I see him, I’m gonna whack him with my purse, the big old meanie.

(Course then he’ll try to hit me back with his!)

Curious Observer

June 18th, 2009
1:06 pm

“And besides no one wants to discuss Inspector Generals being fired for doing their job. And certainly no one wants to discuss the findings of thise [sic] IG’s.”

And no one wants to discuss how this inspector general went to great lengths to reveal little pieces of dirt to the Republican ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, Charles Grassley, while keeping the Democratic chairman of that committee in the dark. Obama has a hard enough row to hoe as it is; he doesn’t need disloyal conservative inspector generals who burrow into the administration in order to undermine it.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

Remind me never to drink lemonade made by Turd….EWWWWW

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

Jay, the job approval rating is not the correct metric. The media has so conditioned most people that saying\thinking anything negative about a negro is racism. This has been a shield that has artificially upheld Obama’s job approval rating.

The real story is in handling specific policy – healthcar – economy – deficit – terrorism – etc… This is where the real cave-in has occurred and, as evidenced by your off-center blog conclusionm, this is what the media is not reporting – people are disagreeing with the core of the Obama presidency at alarming rates.

david wayne osedach

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

Obama has been very good with the rhetoric – but we have yet to see any major change other than people losing their jobs.

FinnMcCool

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

Give me a shout when he hits 17% by Democrats.

I could give a rats a$$ what a Republican thinks since they don’t have the Average Joe’s/Garden-Variety American’s best interests in mind anyway.

German Potato Salad in a can

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

We in the EU were completely astonished/flabbergasted the you American idiots would vote for this unknown man named obama. Whats wrong with you Amercian idiots. You are supposed to represent intelligence, cunning, quality, ruthlessness yet you vote for this man named obama.

What research did you asinine American idiot voter conduct to determine your decision. Im guessing none because his rally’s seemed like a 1950’s premier of the next Clark Gable movie. Mr Obama, YOUR President is all smiles and handshakes with nothing substantial or cant you American idoits see his transparency.

Do us in the EU a favor and atleast vote next time for a seasoned politican you Amercian idoits.

German Potato Salad in a can

June 18th, 2009
1:08 pm

We in the EU were completely astonished/flabbergasted the you American idiots would vote for this unknown man named obama. Whats wrong with you Amercian idiots. You are supposed to represent intelligence, cunning, quality, ruthlessness yet you vote for this man named obama.

What research did you asinine American idiot voter conduct to determine your decision. Im guessing none because his rally’s seemed like a 1950’s premier of the next Clark Gable movie. Mr Obama, YOUR President is all smiles and handshakes with nothing substantial or cant you American idoits see his transparency.

Do us in the EU a favor and atleast vote next time for a seasoned politican you Amercian idoits.

@@

June 18th, 2009
1:15 pm

when your various characters start talking to each other, telling each other how great you are

Not much of ^^^ that, if any, goes on among conservatives, jay so what are you saying EXACTLY? Leftist posters have to create their own support system?

I did come in to tell some from the left that I admired Andy’s stick-with-it-tuitiveness but that wasn’t me telling him how great I thought he was.

Leftists need to create their OWN support system. Hmmmmm….I’ll go for that!!!

Don’t “count” ME in.

Redneck Convert

June 18th, 2009
1:15 pm

Well, I’ll never be able to look at a lemon again without thinking of a Turd. It’s going to be tough to do without lemonade on the 4th of July but there’s some things even a redneck won’t do. Have a good p.m. everybody.

getalife

June 18th, 2009
1:16 pm

“Several of you here post under different “noms de blogue,”

Do tell Jay.

I post under one name and call on all to follow my lead.

Normal

June 18th, 2009
1:17 pm

Just like the Germans, too much redundancy…Just sayin’

Peadawg

June 18th, 2009
1:19 pm

Sugar coat it all you want…the numbers say the approval is going down.

I can’t wait to see how bad it is in 4 years.

getalife

June 18th, 2009
1:20 pm

Let’s take @@ for example.

dusty, moombat betty????

Then the whiner.

RW, ?????

Lets play who is this blogger.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:22 pm

getalife

June 18th, 2009
1:24 pm

@@ is Andy?

Now that is some good blog acting.

I think pf finally found a character that is funny.

Redneck Convert.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:25 pm

I was really learning to like icey cold Arnold Palmers myself…..

@@

June 18th, 2009
1:27 pm

Not Dusty or moonbat betty (who on occasion seems rather liberal to me) — not Dusty, moonbat betty. Anyhoo…

Mrs. G:

Why don’t you just make that Ooooooooo, as it’s obvious Obama does it for you.

eeewwwwwwwww

Sex with a teleprompter.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:32 pm

so who is Turd Lemonade now?

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:32 pm

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
1:32 pm

Obama will be able to fool most liberals for 4 years, they are progressively educated/indocturined you know. So it will be after he losed the next election and the progressive tax burden really kicks in to see the full effect on his mindless spend, spend, spend legacy.

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
1:35 pm

You know, when America’s national debt is equal or greater than its GDP, much like France..

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
1:35 pm

There are also alway margin of errors in polls. In the case of Rasmussen for example this indicates that Obama’s numbers can be as high as 3 points higher or lower. Indicating that there probably have been no changes in Obama’s numbers at all. Within the same time period, polls taken over the same days, June 12-16, the Wall Street Journal polls gave Obama a 56 percent approval rating while the CBS News/New York Times poll gives him 63 percent. The Rasmussen polls are daily tracking polls, which are notoriusly less accurate than polls taken over a period of time. Polls are only good as they track performance over time, something all pollsters admit. The more people you poll, over the longest period of time, the more accurate your polling. Polling over a single day, and then doing ANOTHER poll the next day, is the most inaccurate form of polling. Most interesting is the fact that the “Polling Report” which does nothing but compile a list of polls considered to be most accurate have not included a Rasmussen Poll od Presidential Approval Ratings for the last five months, largely because Rasmussen’s “Daily Tracking Poll” does not reach the standards they have for such polls. Out of the six other polls since June 1, 2009, Obama tracks in between 62 and 65 percent in 4 polls and at 56 percent in two others. The ones that he tracks highest in have larger numbers of people polled, and polling occurs over twice as many days as those in which Obama polls at the lower numbers.

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
1:38 pm

The good news is…, China is starting to balk at taking on more of Obamas mindless debt. Which will kick inflation in the shorts and keep our progressive congress from spending as much as they really want to.

The bad news is…, you and I will have to work well into our retirement years to have the same thing as those who retired under Bush.

FinnMcCool

June 18th, 2009
1:39 pm

realityking writes: his mindless spend, spend, spend legacy.

You talking about W?

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
1:39 pm

Also as Jay points out. The SPREAD between those polled in the Rasmussen poll indicates that the range between those who approve and those who disapprove is shrinking. This means that fewer Republicans disapprove of him and fewer Democrats approve, as the numbers bear out. Either that or this figure indicates a poll that is more heavily skewed to polling Republicans (as has occured several times in the past with both Rasmussen and Gallop_)

Bud Wiser

June 18th, 2009
1:39 pm

It appears that the shine is wearing off faster than it did even for you-know-who. (I’ll give the morons a hint – last name rhymes with “push”)

Polls are meaningless except approaching election time – today Obowo could shove Hillary to the ground, causing her to break her arm, and how would that look on Fox news tonight? I say Fox news because none of the other boot licking slobbering media hounds would dare speak of such a thing.

Anyway, see how Obowo looks once the country is bankrupt and destitute, with unemployment at 50-50%.

“Let’s wait and see, say the cracker chasers, let’s wait and see if anything bad happens!”

Duh

Normal

June 18th, 2009
1:40 pm

Reality King, If President Obama does lose and The GOP gains control, they will cut taxes and give tax breaks and call it mission accomplished…so where and when will this progressive tax burden kick in? And deny it all you want, we wouldn’t be in this mess if President Bush had practiced fiscal responsibility, like a good Republican, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, now would we? Just askin’

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
1:43 pm

Between his inauguration another thing has occured which Jay notes. The average of all polls measurinf Republican approval for Obama was 20 percent on the day he was inaugurated. It is 33.2 percent today. More than a fifty percent increase in Obama’s approval by Republicans. The average of all polls approval Ratings by Democrats was 63.3 percent at innauguration and 59.6 percent today.

RealityKing

June 18th, 2009
1:43 pm

When Bush entered office the National Debt was 60% of the GDP.
When Bush left office, it was 65% GDP. Most of that coming under the progressive congress of 2006.

Obama and said progressive congress have already pushed the National Debt over 75% of GDP. And just wait until next year..

@@

June 18th, 2009
1:47 pm

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
1:49 pm

1946 National Debt 126% of GDP

FYI

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
1:53 pm

And if you look at the Rasmussen Demographics for his most recent polls:

“June 12, 2009: Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of Obama’s performance while 62% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Those not affiliated with either party are evenly divided.

Among all voters, the number who Strongly Approve has generally stayed between 34% and 38% for the past three months. During that time, the number who Strongly Disapprove has generally stayed between 27% and 32%.

May 29, 2009: Among liberal voters, the President may be benefitting from changing the subject. The number of liberal voters who Strongly, rather than Somewhat, approved of his performance slipped during recent discussions concerning the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. While liberal voices complained that the President was yielding too much ground on his decision to close the camp, support for actually closing the Guantanamo facility has fallen to 38%. Seventy-one percent (71%) of liberal voters now Strongly Approve of the President’s performance, up from 60% just before the Sotomayor announcement. Another 21% of liberals Somewhat Approve.

Seventy percent (70%) of Democrats now Strongly Approve of the President’s performance.”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/demographic_notes_barack_obama_approval_index

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June 18th, 2009
1:56 pm

BTW, Mrs. G…as long as we’re guessing. It’s obvious who you are.

Get you rattled and it’s left hanging out there for all to see.

No point in pointing though. jay’s not consistent in his dalliances with divulging.

His blog! His call!

German Potato Salad in a can

June 18th, 2009
1:57 pm

We in the EU can approve of not much of anything you Amercian idiots have done of late.

clyde

June 18th, 2009
1:58 pm

Reality King,

You never want to retire.You can never get a weekend off.

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
1:59 pm

Fortunately the Republican assertions about the national debt as well as their assertions that unemployment will rise has no basis in fact. Unemployment appears, by all measures, to have stabilized and started reversing, using the standard measures which are based on X number of weeks with falling NEW claims etc.

Republicans had NO concern with the national debt while they were more than DOUBLING it.

Its not HOW much you spend, its what you spend it on. Republicans were investing in Lucent, while Obama is investing it where it will have the highest returns and where HISTORY proves it has the highest returns.

All Obama has to do is follow the European model of spending to get to a place where the recession is minimized and reversed. Certainly the Republican methods have NEVER worked.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
2:05 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

June 18th, 2009
2:05 pm

For the record, and notwithstanding RK’s fearmongering, we’ve had our national debt at over 120% of GDP in the past.

Not saying it’s where we want to head today. But let’s do try to keep a little perspective here.

(Also, you’ll see that sucker was headed straight up when Obama took office.)

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
2:05 pm

Simply put, the nations that have the highest percentage of their government spending in social safety nets are experiencing a lesser recession that those that have the lowest spending in social safety nets.

That the scientific method. You look at what works, and copy it.

Midori

June 18th, 2009
2:11 pm

Mrs. G,

you’ve obviously touched a nerve.

can’t you just hear the “wah, wah, wah” because you called it correctly?

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
2:17 pm

Looking at Europe France has only JUST entered recession and even then, just BARELY:

“Official data said the French economy will probably contract by 0.1% in both the third and fourth quarters of 2008, following a 0.3% contraction between April and June. But the government said the economy would still register 0.9% growth for the year.”

Another thing to note, is that European “inflation rates” just hit ZERO in June:

“Euro zone inflation slumps to record zero
Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:06

“The Eurostat figures, which confirmed a first estimate, left 12-month euro zone inflation at the lowest point on records going back to 1996 and down sharply from the 0.6% that the agency recorded in April.”

And for all of their B.S., the LATEST news on the U.S. economy as a result of Obama’s actions is:

“World markets rebound on strong US economic news
By PAN PYLAS – 1 hour ago

LONDON (AP) — European and U.S. stock markets rose Thursday after a run of stronger than anticipated U.S. economic data renewed investors’ hopes that the world’s largest economy may recover from recession this year.

The FTSE 100 index of leading British shares closed up 0.1 percent at 4,280.86, France’s CAC-40 index rose 1 percent to 3,194.06, and Germany’s DAX finished 0.8 percent higher at 4,837.48.

Earlier, shares in Europe had fallen as investors worried that a global economic recovery later this year — hopes for which have driven a rally since March — could be choked off at birth by rising interest rates and oil prices.

However, strong U.S. data eased those concerns somewhat and also buoyed Wall Street. Financial shares also gained as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner appeared before a Congressional panel to discuss details of the regulatory overhaul announced the day before by President Barack Obama.

In midday trading in New York, the Dow Jones industrial average was up 0.7 percent at 8,557.80 and the broader Standard & Poor’s 500 index rose 0.7 percent to 917.06.

The turnaround started with the news from the U.S. Labor Department that the total unemployment insurance rolls fell by 148,000 to 6.69 million, the first drop since January and a sign that layoffs are easing.

The optimistic tone generated by the jobless claims data was accentuated by the news from the Philadelphia Reserve Bank that manufacturing around the mid-Atlantic region is not far from growing again. Its main index of manufacturing conditions rose to minus 2.2 in June from minus 22.6 in May. Any reading below zero indicates contraction, but the nearer to zero, the smaller the rate of the contraction.

Further good news came from the Conference Board, a private research group, which said economic activity probably rose in May, the second straight gain after seven months of declines. Its index of leading economic indicators, designed to forecast activity in the next three to six months, rose 1.2 percent, above expectations of a 0.9 percent increase.”

The Democrats have once AGAIN proven that the Republican economic model is basically a false one. They oppose Obama’s “spending” an use a false factor of comparing national debt to GDP, which of course can be caused by two things. Either by government spending increasing, OR by the GDP falling. In the case of GDP falling, this is cause by failures in the “free market” rather than by the government itself. Obama’s current budget, relative to Bush’s is rather flat. The fact that Bush was HIDING so much government spending is largely responsible for most of the PUBLISHED differences between Obama’s FIRST Budget and Bush’s LAST budget. Add in what Bush WAS hiding by asking for it OUTSIDE of the normal budget processes, and Obama’s budget is either exactly the SAME as Bush’s or a slight bit LOWER depending on whose data is being used.

N.J,

June 18th, 2009
2:28 pm

Finally even relatively CONSERVATIVE sources admit the CAUSES of Obamas current national debt. ALL non discretionary non defense spending makes up one SIXTH of the budget and non defense discressionary spending makes up one quarter. And these two sets of spending have gone DOWN as ratio to GDP. Cutting these even MORE will have no positive effect on the economy and in fact have been known to have harmed it in the past. Because it is largely spent INSIDE the United States and not outside of it. A dollar spent by the government INSIDE the U.S. is still a dollar that is spent INSIDE the U.S. economy.

The REAL elephant in the budget is defense and national security. These two make up the largest percentages of the budget and make up the largest amount of the increases to the national debt. The DEGREE by which Obama’s budget as measured as a ration to GDP would appear much large were it not for his descreases in other areas. In order to reduce national debt at a time of recession, the ONLY real effective option is to cut both defense and national security spending.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 18th, 2009
2:29 pm

Midori

Don’t tell @@…..but my secret other identity…..I’m Jay!

@@

June 18th, 2009
2:30 pm

Bizjournal.com — Existing regulators “turned a blind eye” to the subprime mortgages and that caused the financial crisis, Dodd said.

Nooooo, he didn’t!!!! Yes…yes he did. Short memory? Dementia? Whaaatttt

WaPo – Sept. 12, 2008 As recently as last summer, when housing prices had clearly peaked and the mortgage market had started to seize up, Dodd called on Bush to “immediately reconsider his ill-advised” reform proposals. Frank, now chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said that the president’s suggestion for a strong, independent regulator of Fannie and Freddie was “inane.”

During this period, Sen. Richard Shelby led a small group of legislators favoring reform, including fellow Republican Sens. John Sununu, Chuck Hagel and Elizabeth Dole. Meanwhile, Dodd — who along with Democratic Sens. John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the top four recipients of Fannie and Freddie campaign contributions from 1988 to 2008 — actively opposed such measures and further weakened existing regulation.

Sen. Dodd wonders what the Bush administration did to address the risks of Fannie and Freddie. Now, he knows. The real question is: Where was he?

Why are dem voters so eager to accept this BS? I SWEAR! They’re convinced you’re stupid. How else can they justify their bold disregard for the truth.

It simply is not to be believed unless, of course, you vote democrat — then it’s taken hook line and sinker.