I wish those gays would stop ruining marriage
“Marriage is the cornerstone on which our society was founded. For those who say that the Constitution is so sacred that we cannot or should not adopt the Federal Marriage Amendment, I would simply point out that marriage, and the sanctity of that institution, predates the American Constitution and the founding of our nation.”
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josef nix
June 17th, 2009
6:49 pm
Well, well, well.
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
6:50 pm
Ahhh…savor the Republican hypocrisy. Somehow its not quite that tasty when its baking in my home.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
6:53 pm
Hey, jewcowboy, might have known you’d be here! Number one and number two.
Me? I’m non partisan! I love a good scandal!
Edwin Burgh
June 17th, 2009
7:09 pm
I see that there’s a new reality program where people who have never met are married for the entertainment of the rest of the country. Obviously, these people are honoring the institution of marriage, while loving gays are out to destroy it.
@@
June 17th, 2009
7:10 pm
I wouldn’t say Ensign “ruined marriage”, he just blew it off — much like Bill.
Just couldn’t resist.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:17 pm
@@–Heh, heh!
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:17 pm
Josef nix,
Yeah, pickin BlackBerries, so excuse the typos, but here.
On this subject I am partially partisan. I’m starting to get a bit impatient with Obama since its taken him 6 months to even mention us, given his “fierce advocacy.”
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:19 pm
@@,
How did I know you would pop in for this? Way to tempting huh?
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:20 pm
jewcowboy–little slow on the uptaker, ‘er ye. Okay, okay. Not fair. But don’t you just love his latest one?
Course I love seeing the ones, and they ARE mostly GOP, who have been so pious get theirs.
san francisco perspective
June 17th, 2009
7:23 pm
Aside from the hypocrisy on the issue of alleged marital sanctity, how does the fact that marriage “predates” the Constitution serve as an argument on its behalf ? Many institutions and practices that predated the Constitution (titled classes, monarchy, etc) were negated by the document and many institutions and practices that existed at the time of the founding have since been swept aside by Constitutional revision (slavery, male only suffrage, etc). Ensign is not really making an argument; he’s just asserting a crude unthinking bigotry.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
7:25 pm
Ensign strayed while he was ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~separated from his wife.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The two have since reconciled.
Just sayin……
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:26 pm
Like we really needed an actual gay marriage thread around here. Apparently somebody doesn’t read beyond the first page of his comment sections.
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:27 pm
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:17 pm
Come on, it hasn’t even been 5 months yet!
I’ve probably posted this before, but I’ve got to think that the Almighty looks down on a homosexual union of love more favorably than a hetero one of lust.
Hugs and best wishes to all in pursuit of happiness.
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:29 pm
Josef nix,
I’d just like to get mine over the finish line
I’ve been with mr. nonjewcowboy longer than most of my straight friends have been with their spouses. And have outlasted 4 of my friends marriages, yet still not “worthy.”
The funnier thing is mr. nonjewcowboy and I have $50,000 set aside for “the day.”. It will sit there until gay marriage is equal to straight marriage in the eyes of the state and federal law.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:29 pm
RW-(the original)
I’m up for it, what would you like to talk about?
getalife
June 17th, 2009
7:30 pm
Waiting to see why he confessed.
His hypocricy goes much further.
Voted to indict Clinton and calling for the resignation of Craig.
Another family value, born again Christian hypocrite.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:30 pm
Tn Gelding–As Normal would say if he were here, “all you need is love…”
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:31 pm
san francisco perspective
June 17th, 2009
7:23 pm
And ain’t it good that he got caught.
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:26 pm
Now it’s official. More power to them. Maybe they can teach us a thing or two about fidelity.
TW
June 17th, 2009
7:32 pm
With Simple Sarah and her brothel setting the GOP morality bar, one can only expect performances like this from the faithful followers. Gee, I’m horrified to think how this will damage our children…who look up to our elected leaders as role models…lol
Perhaps FOX ought roll out a ‘Faux Christian’ comedy this fall?
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:33 pm
josef,
I’ll actually be stepping out soon so I guess nothing and this is certainly the appropriate thread for y’all to have the same conversations you’ve been having all through every other thread the past week. I am curious if most of the gay contributors here clamoring for gay marriage believe a marriage should be limited to two people
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:34 pm
Yeah, the Unmentionable and I have in 35 years, longer than either of our parents, and only two of my siblings…at 25 one of his co-workers said, “Ah! And I bet it seems like only yesterday.” To which he responded, “Nah. It seems like 25 long, grinding years!”
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:34 pm
TnGelding,
I have repeatedly said I will give Obama time, but after the DOJ brief on DOMA coupled with this partial benefits for federal employees, I’m a little frustrated with the O.
I mean 2/3 of Fortune 500 companies including GM, Chrysler and AIG offer domestic partnership benefits.
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:36 pm
Gelding,
I have no clue what your 7:31 offering is saying. If you care to try again I’ll be around a few more minutes.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:37 pm
RW-(the original)
I don’t know about gay and limited to two, but it’s pretty clear a lot of straights don’t. But me, for me and mine? Yep, 35 years, forsaking all others…
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
7:38 pm
What a childish notion, by the way.
People that are against murder sometimes do murder, so should we make murder legal?
I rule you little fools.
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:38 pm
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:34 pm
Patience is virtue.
We simply can’t afford it at this time and it’s against current law. Look for the law to change next year.
Paul
June 17th, 2009
7:39 pm
Jay, I realize it’s your blog and all, but geez, this topic is getting to be like, “hey everybody, look! There’s a Prius!!!!” It’s like, yawwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
How about mixing things up with a few more examples of liberal Democratic hypocrisy? I’m sure we could help ya’ find a few examples worthy of discussion! (Yesterday’s Obama Secrecy is a start, but be careful, it gives Mrs. Godzilla a headache).
josef – RW – Report/Whine – comment downstairs for ya’.
jewcowboy – be sure to announce the day. I’ll send ya’ something to celebrate in care of the AJC.
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:40 pm
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:36 pm
Just that they have a blog on their topic.
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:40 pm
josef,
My question is whether you believe a marriage should only contain two partners regardless of sex?
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:41 pm
And why do we keep bringing the sore subject up. Aw, RW, if you went back and looked, you’d see that I am only reacting to what others say. Believe it or not, I can get through the day and never even think about it until somebody else pushes the button,..
Paul
June 17th, 2009
7:41 pm
TW 7:32
Would you mind going back to DailyKos?
Thanks -
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:42 pm
RW,
My marriage would be between 2 people, and considering marriage by the state is essentially a contract between 2 people, who can decide on things like health care issues, right to die, property inheritance, etc for the other personn there is legal and coomon sense resson you can limit that to just one other person.
That said I am fighting for my right to marry, not the Mormons right to marry 16 times. They have quite a bit of money, let them fight for it themselves.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:44 pm
RW-(the original)
My question is whether you believe a marriage should only contain two partners regardless of sex?
See the above. @7;37:
Actually I do. I tell you, I am probably more conservative than you on this issue.
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:44 pm
Obama: More benefits for gay workers only one step
WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama signaled to gay-rights activists Wednesday that he’s listening to their desire for greater equality in “a more perfect union.” But he didn’t give them even close to everything they want, bringing to the surface an anger that’s been growing against the president. “We all have to acknowledge this is only one step,” Obama said in the Oval Office, where he signed a memorandum extending some benefits, such as visitation or dependent-care rights, to the same-sex partners of gay federal employees.
FinnMcCool
June 17th, 2009
7:45 pm
I’ve been married for 15 years so what does sex have to do with marriage? How do you get gays to stop having homosexual sex? Let em get married!
Seriously, marriage is a human construct. It has nothing to do with religion. It’s a legal arrangement. It takes no moral stand. So let em marry.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:47 pm
Tn Gelding–”Patience is virtue.”
Agreed, but I’m an old f*rt. My patience has worn thin.
Paul
June 17th, 2009
7:47 pm
jewcowboy
That would be excommunicated Mormons or wannabes. I think the real ones came to their senses about 150 years ago.
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:47 pm
Paul,
Thanks! It will be a helleva reception. Only family and close friends for the ceremony but we intend to have the St. Regis for the reception so come on by.
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:48 pm
jewcowboy,
Thanks for the response. I’m bothered by the argument that gets made here quite often about how the law should be that you can marry the ONE you love. It seems pretty unfair to the bi community.
josef,
I’m more poking fun at Jay B than anything else. He would never allow the topic to stray so far afield if it was over a subject he didn’t support. As for me, I really don’t care what anybody discusses and I’ve got finely honed scrolling skills.
I just thought I would get a more reasoned answer to the question I asked from you and it was a serious question. Obviously I was mistaken. My apologies.
getalife
June 17th, 2009
7:49 pm
Aw, repub hypocrisy bores Paul and he wants to talk about dem hypocrisy.
And then tells TW to leave.
That is very trollish behaviour Paul.
Apologize like Letterman.
san francisco perspective
June 17th, 2009
7:49 pm
RW, if several adults choose to live together, be lovers, provide care for each other, etc., then that seems to me to be their choice. the real question is whether the government should link ANY benefits to marital status (regardless of sexual orientation). i think the answer to that, on grounds of both liberty and equality, should be a resounding NO.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
A quick search reveals more than 500 Old and New Testament references to the words “marriage,” “married,” “husband,” and “wife.”
Nothing about “husband” and “husband” though.
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
And I also type too slowly to have seen your 7:44.
Wide stance
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
Wonder if Ensign will have to “widen his stance” on tolerance.
TnGelding
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
You done good:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rescind17-2009jun17,0,3508020,full.story
Paul
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
jewcowboy
Thanks! I wasn’t trying to invite myself or nuthin, but since you offered….. Celebrate!!!!!
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
PAUL–josef – RW – Report/Whine – comment downstairs for ya’.
Which post what time?
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
7:50 pm
Finn,
SHHHHH! Don’t say that. mr. nonjewcowboy may hear.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
7:52 pm
Paul- I answered your coffee question from this morning this morning.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
7:54 pm
FinnMcCool
I’ve been married for 15 years so what does sex have to do with marriage? How do you get gays to stop having homosexual sex? Let em get married!
Heh, heh! Equality? Ain’t it grand!
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:54 pm
sfp,
Thanks. That’s a pretty far leap from what I was getting at, but I would also like to see the government get out the business of granting benefits based on any form of societal engineering.
Paul
June 17th, 2009
7:58 pm
getalife
Just seemed it’d been overdone the last little while. And Jay kinda broke the ice the other day with Dem hypocrisy. It was refreshing. Fair and balanced, just like Fox. Just wanted to keep things rolling.
TW was like this blog was before Jay put in the rules. Just newbies coming in with nasty stuff. I picked DailyKos ’cause they banned you so I figured his attitude would fit right in.
Apologize like Letterman? Like, “If you misunderstood what I said, I apologize I didn’t make my real intent clear” apology? No problemo!
admit it – sexual peccadillos of conservative Republicans, especially the conservative religious kind, is a bit… routinely boring, isn’t it?
RW-(the original)
June 17th, 2009
7:59 pm
Well gotta run.
Later y’all
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:00 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 7:50 pm SAID: A quick search reveals more than 500 Old and New Testament references to the words “marriage,” “married,” “husband,” and “wife.”
Nothing about “husband” and “husband” though.
CHRIS SAID: Lots of juicy stuff about adultery though. What’s the Old Testament punishment for adultery? I believe it was being stoned and not the getting high kind
If we’re going the apply the Bible like Andy implies, when it comes to gay marriage, shouldn’t we also apply the same standards when it comes to infidelity???
Just askin’
FinnMcCool
June 17th, 2009
8:01 pm
try husband and farm animal…oh, wait, I think they took that out of the bible during the last re-write.
…or, husband and anything not tied down.
Paul
June 17th, 2009
8:02 pm
josef nix
the remaking financial thread, 7:32. Prob not worth the effort, really!
off to fix some Copper River Salmon
later, all!
Paul
June 17th, 2009
8:03 pm
Chris
[[If we’re going the apply the Bible like Andy implies, when it comes to gay marriage, shouldn’t we also apply the same standards when it comes to infidelity???]]
I don’t think he’s Orthodox Jewish….
later, fer real!
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:04 pm
RW–I thought I had given you a serious answer. You asked what I believe. When it comes to matters of the heart, I leave that to others to come to thei own beliefs and I try to avoid SERIOUS judgment (though I do love a little fun even at my own expense) when it comes to the civil code, that is another matter and one at a time does tend to be more practical. Serial monogamy being the rule of thumb as it stands now.
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:06 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 7:38 pm SAID: What a childish notion, by the way.
People that are against murder sometimes do murder, so should we make murder legal? I rule you little fools.
CHRIS SAYS: Here’s a classic defense of hypocrisy.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
8:08 pm
If we’re going the apply the Bible like Andy implies, when it comes to gay marriage, shouldn’t we also apply the same standards when it comes to infidelity???
Yes.
~~~~~
Check it out, Obozo whined that if we didn’t give him the Porkulus Bill then unemployment would reach 8%. Today it stands at 9.4% and even Obozo says it will hit 10%, duh, no kidding.
Then Obozo said if we didn’t lavish 50 Billion on GM they would go bankrupt, and they took the 50 Bill and went bankrupt anyway.
Now the little boy who cried wolf is whining about how he can fix health care.
Be afraid, America, be very afraid.
eewwww
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:10 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 7:25 pm SAID: Ensign strayed while he was ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~separated from his wife.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The two have since reconciled.
Just sayin……
CHRIS SAYS: LOL, “separated” isn’t divorced. She must have been pretty good; she got a promotion and a big pay raise after he bedded her……………….I guess that’s what the Republicans call “Pay for Performance” ROFLMAO
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:11 pm
PAUL–got your 7:32…:-)
Michael H. Smith
June 17th, 2009
8:13 pm
getalife – Get some news, the latest of course. He was being blackmailed. As it appears he foiled an extortion scheme by going public with the details.
It really comes as no shock to see the convoluted misinterpretation of what is meant by the term sanctity of the institution. Like the with the institution of Presidency, which I have the utmost respect for the sanctity of that institution regardless of the BUM that disregards the sanctity of that high office they have enjoined themselves to and took an oath to faithfully uphold its’ “values”.
The Institutions of life whatever they might be should retain sanctity no matter how grossly the un-sanctified parties therein that fail to so often live up to the lofty ideal standard demanded. Quite simply, man must always have things that are morally higher, more noble and more potent than his own shortcomings, for that is what makes an institution an institution.
Don’t know quite what to make of Ensign’s inference that gays stop ruining marriage. How can they, gays, ruin what they’ve never had? Marriage is a Heterosexual thing.
However, the gay response heard out from under the bus they had been thrown under by Obumer’s two-stepping shenanigans by meagerly throwing a few benefit scraps in their direction was very understandable.
Too little, too late!
Now was there a ongoing discuss about a hypocrite?
@@
June 17th, 2009
8:15 pm
josef & jewcowboy:
To be honest, I didn’t know anything about this Ensign fella’s infidelity nor do I care.
I did read the thread where the two of you were in a discussion with Paul about DOMA. I’m in agreement with him. If gays don’t feel equal now, a word won’t make much difference.
One of you….can’t remember which, said that you’d be O.K. with it as long as heterosexual couples were restricted to civil unions. Neither my husband nor I have ever worn our wedding rings except for the ceremony of “our union”. When people ask why, my response is “Why would you assume we’re married? Could be we’re living in sin. Could be I’ve gone through the legal process of changing my last name to coincide with his.”
Could be…could be…could be…
After watching attacks that some within the gay community have launched against churches, it makes people like me suspicious that this drive for equality in marriage is to force the issue onto churches. Once that is done, it’s Katie (previous minister’s name) bar the door.
Civil Unions. The majority of Americans and many within the church are all too happy to accomodate. Try it…you may find that it’s all that you thought it wouldn’t be.
Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Ride that steed.
N. E. Quality
June 17th, 2009
8:17 pm
I thought the AJC provided that fellow named Wooten, or Wooten Jr. now, I guess, for folks that wanted to read about all that stuff that a right winger has to say. Why would someone even suggest that a non-rightwinger such as Bookman write stuff that belongs on that other blog.
Chris Salzmann,
Not meaning any dis-respect and all but I don’t think you understand the inner workings of some of these “pick and choose the passage” Evangelicals. They liken it to a game where they make the rules and modify them as need be and their rules stand unless your gun is bigger and they don’t get the drop on you first.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
8:18 pm
It’s a great leap to question the judgments of a man separated from his wife, I can only imagine what trying and lonely times they must be and how weakened to temptation this must have made him, it’s not like he cheated on his cancer stricken wife while he was playing the sympathy card at her expense, hahahaha.
But I do know one thing for sure, I have no problem whatsoever questioning the judgment of a man who wants to #$@^%$# another man, eewwww.
I mean, really, eewwwwwww
TW
June 17th, 2009
8:20 pm
Thanks for the advice, Paul. And for you, might I suggest Redstate.com?
Lots of ‘holier than thou’ over in them parts, and Lord knows they could use your…brilliance?
Maybe we’ll trade you for Ensign? Being that he didn’t solicit it in an airport bathroom or demand it from an under eighteen boy, perhaps we could consider his affair a lean to the left?
Michael H. Smith
June 17th, 2009
8:22 pm
I thought the AJC provided that fellow named Wooten, or Wooten Jr. now, I guess, for folks that wanted to read about all that stuff that a right winger has to say.
Not meaning any dis-respect….
HOOEY!
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:27 pm
For those who believe as an article of faith that the Holy Scriptures of the Judeo-Christian tradition are the final word on all things social, theological, and political, compliance is a matter of personal which cannot always withstand scrutiny.
Among those of my tradition, there are the 613 laws, commandments or mitzvoth, depending on the terminology. The ultra orthodox who seek to live by them often find that they must all but completely withdraw from the greater society and live in communities where every thought, action and deed is being judged by all about them. For those of whatever faith who insist on being that observant, and I can understand their need to have such clear cut answers to any and all questions, it is best to withdraw.
Michael H. Smith
June 17th, 2009
8:28 pm
Just curious Josef Nix with all that “empathy and power” as Commander and Chief after the Supreme Court decided not to act on Don’t ask Don’t tell thereby leaving it to stand as law, why won’t Obumer simply issue an executive order repealing that Clinton piece of tripe?
@@
June 17th, 2009
8:31 pm
Good one, Andy!
it’s not like he cheated on his cancer stricken wife while he was playing the sympathy card at her expense, hahahaha.
while pushing “The Two Americas” idea no less.
clyde
June 17th, 2009
8:33 pm
I understand Ensign was being blackmailed by the woman’s husband.That was the first rumor.
Whiner
I don’t want the Bible applied to my marriage.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:33 pm
I Report
You Whine 
And what makes you think I #$@^%$# ? I may only $@%^#+*. What IS going on in the recesses of your imagination, eh?
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:37 pm
Michael Smith @ 8:28–which is exactly why I’m no fan of his by a LONG shot. There’s more to this than meets the eye and the longer he goes lying through his teeth, the more paranoid I become. I am beginning to get the impression we are being set up.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:41 pm
@@–how right you are on a number of points. Back when I was younger and still got offers, I wore a ring,,,just to make the point that I was already “taken.” Don’t have to wear it any more!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
8:41 pm
The liberals wanna tell us, scold us, about global warming, they KNOW the science, the debate is over, they hysterically insist that we were “evolved” from stupid, filthy farm animals, they slaughter babies comforted in the false “knowledge” that it is better for everyone, a blood lust that extends to harvesting embryos in a quest for cures that do not even exist, while they ignore stem cell cures that have worked.
Now remember, these are the same people that can’t figure out which of their organs is for sexual intercourse and which one is for waste disposal, hahahahahaha.
What geniuses, eewwww
Kamchak
June 17th, 2009
8:45 pm
josef or jewcowboy
I have seen reports of the first gay couples that got married are now getting divorced, breaking up a long term relationship. The same thing happens to hetero couples. It seems to me that “marriage” changes a relationship. Perhaps the “hardship” of your relationship(s) is the binder that keep you together. That being said, I fully support your right not to be treated differently.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:46 pm
Let me throw one at y’all. Back when I was a little boy, I would spend time with our next door neighbor, the mistress of the town’s mayor. When some of the pious busy bodies brought my mom to task for letting “that little boy go over there, You know what she is.” To which my mother replied, “yes, I do. She’s an adultress, not a child molester.”
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:47 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 8:18 pm SAID:
It’s a great leap to question the judgments of a man separated from his wife, I can only imagine what trying and lonely times they must be and how weakened to temptation this must have made him, it’s not like he cheated on his cancer stricken wife while he was playing the sympathy card at her expense, hahahaha.
CHRIS SAYS: Separated from his wife??? LOL, maybe he should have stuck to the vaseline bottle. something that Andy probably knows about, right?
Talking about cancer stricken wifes, didn’t Newt do the same to his 1st wife? Wasn’t she actually in the hospital when he served her with divorce papers? But he’s Catholic now so all’s forgiven …..LOL. But if you actually count the number of married Republicans and Democrats who’ve been caught with their pants down with someone besides their respective spouses in the last 5 years, I think that the Republican Party wins hands down. But nothing beats the Larry Craig episode. That still takes the cake.
BTW, again, I don’t recall John Edwards ever being a member of the “Promise Keepers” lamenting about the notion of gay marriage destroying “traditional” marriage.
As far as I’m concerned, let all gays marry, civil or religious, because with marriage comes the prospect of divorce (as it happens to 40% of all “traditional” marriages).
Let the lawyers here REJOICE!!!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
8:47 pm
By the way, where is all these marvelous cures from embryonic stem cells, butchers, it ain’t working out for ya, is it?
Let me guess, you’ll have something in a decade or so, right?
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
8:53 pm
Whiner I don’t want the Bible applied to my marriage.
Clyde- I understand where you are coming from but at what point do you want to shirk your adult responsibilities and be free from any rules? Would you like to kill a few of your business competitors? Would this make Clyde happy?
Trust me, homey, I don’t think we should be stoning adulterers or homosexuals.
But I also don’t think we should be promoting adultery.
I rule.
@@
June 17th, 2009
8:53 pm
Come on josef…
Do images like this promote your cause?
Or this?
What is it with the nekkid body display? Is that all there is to the gay community?
Those images leave little to the imagination.
I’ve always thought that the gay cause would be better received if they’d police their own.
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:53 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 8:41 pm SAID: Now remember, these are the same people that can’t figure out which of their organs is for sexual intercourse and which one is for waste disposal, hahahahahaha. What geniuses, eewwww
CHRIS SAYS: Most homophobes I’ve met actually fear for their own sexuality. Having doubts, Andy? BTW Andy, how do you do it? If you’re straight, do you really first tear a hole in the sheet before doing the honors? ROFLMAO.
Frederick Douglass
June 17th, 2009
8:53 pm
Overheard in the galley of the frigate Oliver Hazzard Perry: “Ensign thar she blows.”
getalife
June 17th, 2009
8:53 pm
I@@,
Newt was a bad boy but Spitzer, Edwards and Vitter thank ensign for his hypocrisy.
Edwards and Spitzer will come back.
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
8:56 pm
Kamchak–say one thing about marriage and divorce, it sure makes spiltting the blanket easier when it comes to community property! Somebody asked us one time how it was we were able to stay together and the answer was, “would you like to to split up that library?” We both like to read and have a library of some 5000 volumes accumulated over the years. About a third of them are decidedly his, about a third decidedly mine (i.e. determined by taste/interests) and about a third of them would be fought over like the War of the Roses….
Michael H. Smith
June 17th, 2009
8:56 pm
I think you’ve been thrown under the bus Josef Nix. If you want to talk about civil rights being violated, don’t ask don’t tell tops the lists of our countries greatest shortcomings. It’s right up there with counting as 4/5 of a person.
Government has NO RIGHT to tell anyone to remain silent about their sexual orientation or punish them for their preference in human sexuality.
Chris Salzmann
June 17th, 2009
8:58 pm
I Report
You Whine 
June 17th, 2009 8:47 pm SAID: By the way, where is all these marvelous cures from embryonic stem cells, butchers, it ain’t working out for ya, is it? Let me guess, you’ll have something in a decade or so, right?
CHRIS SAID: Yeah Andy, how long do you think it took before they got the first successful heart transplant done right??? 2 weeks? “Stem Cell Butchers”??? ROFLMAO. Wow, I’m sure Andy is one of those poor folks that actually believe that the earth is REALLY 6,000 years old. LOL.
DB, Gwinnettian
June 17th, 2009
8:58 pm
its taken him 6 months to even mention us
huh?
Far be it from me to be a scold about this (I’m the one saying DADT needs to be taken out back and shot, remember?), but, from November 4th, 2008…
If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible; who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time; who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.
It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled
… I dunno, maybe I’m just easily wowed, but I remembered hearing that and thinking “wow, gay folks actually getting mentioned by a president in an acceptance speech. About f—ing time.”
Angry Black Man
June 17th, 2009
8:58 pm
Whoop-de-friggin-do. Another politician cheated on his spouse. I could care less. So what, he’s a hypocrite, what else is new? All politicians are hypocrites.
That being said, people need to take the religious argument out of whether or not gays should be allowed to marry. All government sanction marriages are civil unions. If it’s about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, who gives a flying rats @$$ about who marries who? Two men getting married will not end my marriage. Two women getting married will not keep me from getting to heaven (insert any afterlife belief of any religion here). Personally, I think letting anyone get married can’t do any more damage than limiting marriage to heterosexuals has already done.
150 years ago, the bible was used to keep my people in bondage. Was that the best interpretation of the Scriptures? If that were the case, God would have kept us in bondage. People need to quit trying to be god and just be themselves.
DB, Gwinnettian
June 17th, 2009
8:59 pm
It’s right up there with counting as 4/5 of a person.
Three-fifths, you mean.
/nitpicker
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
9:00 pm
@@ Agreed on images, but, uh, do tittie bars promote yours?
DB, Gwinnettian
June 17th, 2009
9:00 pm
“Stem Cell Butchers”??? ROFLMAO.
He’d rather the embryos be discarded as they typically are today, I guess.
jewcowboy
June 17th, 2009
9:01 pm
RW,
Civil marriage boils down to a legal contract concerning property rights and benefits, and promising them to another person. “Love” means nothing in the eyes of the law.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
9:02 pm
Siss Blahsman- Ain’t no plan with no man, if that helps.
I don’t have no “orientation” issues, hahaha, nor do I believe in evolution either.
I an normal, try it, you might like it.
freak
clyde
June 17th, 2009
9:04 pm
Whiner,
I’m going to have to think awhile on that killing business competitors question,but I personally have no problems with adultery.It doesn’t need to be promoted,but it also isn’t ,as far as I’m concerned ,any big deal.
AmVet
June 17th, 2009
9:04 pm
“People need to quit trying to be god and just be themselves.”
Amen! (he says facetiously.)
I’d even be happy if these nutjobs would quit speaking for him. And killing in his name. And heaven knows what else.
But that ain’t never gonna happen…
Angry Black Man
June 17th, 2009
9:05 pm
josef:
I think tittie bars falls under the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness
josef nix
June 17th, 2009
9:06 pm
CHRIS SALZMAN QUOTES
“I Report You Whine June 17th, 2009 8:41 pm SAID: Now remember, these are the same people that can’t figure out which of their organs is for sexual intercourse and which one is for waste disposal, hahahahahaha. What geniuses, eewwww”
Kinda makes you wonder what parts he uses, doesn’t it…? as Samuel Johnson said, “…ah, that the place of love was sent, to the place of excrement…”
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 17th, 2009
9:06 pm
DB, it’s almost as though I wanted to hear from the tard section and here you are, chirping in-
He’d rather the embryos be discarded as they typically are today, I guess.
How about if we just leave them in their mother’s womb, let them grow to be full, fruitful, loving caring adults, like all the rest of us?
Hmmmm?