Yes, this is blatant hypocrisy on Obama’s part
“President Barack Obama’s administration is adhering, at least for now, to a Bush administration policy that White House visitor logs are presidential records that the public has no right to see.
A liberal government watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, filed suit Tuesday after the group’s request for information on White House visits by coal industry executives was refused by the Secret Service.
“The Obama administration, by continuing the Bush administration’s position that the public has no right to know who visits the White House, is now siding with secrecy, not transparency, and is further deepening the gap between its rhetoric and its actual practices,” said Anne Weismann, an attorney for CREW.
At a briefing for reporters on Tuesday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama’s advisers are still considering how to deal with the issue of public access to the names of those who visit the president or other top officials, an issue which has spawned several previous court fights. “The White House is reviewing that policy, based on some of that litigation,” Gibbs said.
Gibbs also defended the president’s right to hold secret meetings.
“I think there are obviously occasions in which the president is going to meet privately with advisers on topics that are of great national importance,” Gibbs said.
However, as the liberal ThinkProgress.com documents:
” – In 2006, Obama critized Cheney’s secret energy meetings: “When big oil companies are invited into the White House for secret energy meetings, it’s no wonder they end up with billions in tax breaks.”
– In 2007, Obama promised on his first day to: “launch the most sweeping ethics reform in history to make the White House the people’s house and send the Washington lobbyists back to K Street.”
– In 2008, Obama told Wisconsin voters: “This change will not be easy. It will require reforming our politics by taking power away from the lobbyists who kill good ideas and good plans with secret meetings and campaign checks.”
That’s just wrong. The White House ought to live up to its promises and produce the transparency it explicitly promised to deliver the American people.
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josef nix
June 16th, 2009
4:57 pm
The man and his administration have established a textbook pattern of hypocracy, But, then, they are politicians and it’s the nature of the beast.
Bud Wiser
June 16th, 2009
5:00 pm
Once a liar, always and forever a liar.
What in the hell did you expect? Mr Dope and Chains is going to come clean with you now?
Your naivety is remarkable.
The lack of smarts by the supporters of President Liar is a given.
Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest
June 16th, 2009
5:01 pm
The R & D party will never yield its priviledges to mere justice.
They will only yield to expediancy.
Sam
June 16th, 2009
5:01 pm
Newsflash: Since the above announcement, private spy satellites report seeing Rev. Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, head of ACORN and the head of CAIR enter the White House thru the back exit.
In fact, heat sensors indicate a large burly man in the shape of the Rev. Wright unpacking his luggage in the Lincoln Bedroom
Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest
June 16th, 2009
5:02 pm
It works that way with taxes too.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 16th, 2009
5:03 pm
Where did you go on vacation, bookman, the Reagan Library?
Are you the media watchdog now, albeit the Minor Issue Watchdog but a watchdog none the less?
What’s up wit dis?
Frederick Douglass
June 16th, 2009
5:03 pm
Hypocracy, hmmmmm.
George American
June 16th, 2009
5:07 pm
This lie is far worse than any so-called “lies” about WMDs by American hero, George W. Bush.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:09 pm
Frederick Douglass–yes, hypocracy.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 16th, 2009
5:10 pm
Thee Obozo did say, however, that he worries “when I see violence directed at peaceful protesters, when I see peaceful protest being suppressed.”
Wow, he’s worried and concerned! It’s a good thing he promised not to meddle, or he might have made the ayatollahs cross, even uncomfortable!-Taranto
Now I’m worried, eewwww
Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest
June 16th, 2009
5:10 pm
Report
You Whine 
June 16th, 2009
5:03 pm
Where did you go on vacation, bookman, the Reagan Library?
Hat tip.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:14 pm
Sam–
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:16 pm
Might I suggest “Bush III”?
Jay
I’m really wondering about this entire reconsideration of so darn many things by the Obama Administration. I’m not sure if it’s hypocrisy – I’m seriously wondering if those who said ‘lack of experience’ may not have had a point.
But what of his advisors? Surely they have some experience? Or was it all just ’say what we need to to get elected?” Which may not be manipulative so much as a concession to the power of the special interests?
Are there any Bush detractors/Obama supporters out there who’ll take a view opposite Jay’s?
Sorry, Mrs. Godzilla… it appears my anti-Obama bias is showing through… again…
getalife
June 16th, 2009
5:16 pm
We need to go Iranian on the cover ups to get that changed.
Pogo
June 16th, 2009
5:18 pm
And exactly what did you liberal Polly-Anna’s think was going to happen Jay? This man is, if nothing else, an egomaniacal, power hungry and controlling individual. He is this to a degree that I haven’t seen in a US president ever in my life. For the most part, he controls the media who fawn over him as if he was the second coming (as to what second coming, I will leave you liberals to decide). I have to give you credit for presenting the above topic though. Obama is becoming what he espoused to hate so much and which he promised to eliminate. ABC is about to give Obama their prime-time news slot solely for the reason of propagandizing his health care program. Doesn’t this make you people at least a little bit uncomfortable? Doesn’t this present shades of state controlled Television in places like Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba and the former Soviet Union? It is very disturbing to see how so many supposedly “intelligent” people are blindly following this man without even questioning anything he does. I think it really isn’t so much about Obama the man as it is the amount of control of him the people he has surrounded himself with have. Far as I can tell, he is pretty much a puppet of his advisors. And most of these advisors are young, inexperienced and idealogical radicals that are hellbent on proving that once and for all, that the socialism they were taught in their Ivy League schools and its edicts are what “is best for the common man”. Be afraid people. Be very afraid.
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:18 pm
Bud Wiser 5:00
But don’t you support his positions – at least the ones he’s done opposite what many expected?
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:18 pm
SAM–oops
“In fact, heat sensors indicate a large burly man in the shape of the Rev. Wright unpacking his luggage in the Lincoln Bedroom”
Yeah, but I heard the Jews weren’t going to let him in. How did he get past the international zionist conspiracy?
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:21 pm
Paul “I’m really wondering about this entire reconsideration of so darn many things by the Obama Administration. I’m not sure if it’s hypocrisy – I’m seriously wondering if those who said ‘lack of experience’ may not have had a point.”
And that scares the h*ll out of me.
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:21 pm
Pogo
How can one control that which is willingly given? (your media reference).
As far as blindly following and not questioning: you may want to check in with MoveOn and Daily Kos – not to mention the source Jay cited – for a bit of Left unhappiness.
getalife
June 16th, 2009
5:21 pm
We already know corporate owns them so why hide it.
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:24 pm
josef nix
But he seems to be a quick study. From General Betrayus to General Trustus with Iraq and Afg – not to mention the (oft cited) FISA, torture pic, and other national security issues – including the challenges to the Left to deal with Social Security and Medicare in his first term – well, I’d offer the Left has more to be upset about than does the Right.
@@
June 16th, 2009
5:24 pm
Can’t resist this one either, jay. The leftists’ comments over at “Think Progress” say it all.
New liberal mantra: “WTF? At least he’s not McCain.”
It can’t be said often enough……leftists have no principles on which they can stand. They’ll sell their soul, freedoms and anything “in between” to the smoothest talkers…all the while espousing to be the truly enlightened.
Unbelievable. LITERALLY!!!!!!!!
Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest
June 16th, 2009
5:25 pm
This is day 952 that the left wing of the R & D party has been in complete control.
How has this worked for ya’ll?
getalife
June 16th, 2009
5:28 pm
Pogostick,
False news did it too silly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gNOete1mo&feature=player_embedded
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:28 pm
Paul–5:24–and this is what truly terrorizes me. As the Unmentionable said during the campaign when the bleeding choir were so self-congratulatory on how “open minded and progressive” they were voting for a man of color, “yeah, and just wait until they see through this drag show. They’ll be the first to hound him off stage, just as happy to pillory the man of color to show how ‘open minded and progressive’ they are.”
Frederick Douglass
June 16th, 2009
5:30 pm
Hypocracy, naivety, expediancy, I can tell Harvard’s closed for the summer.
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 16th, 2009
5:31 pm
The ruling mullahs’ contemptuous handling of Iran’s presidential election was their response to “the Cairo effect” announced a tad prematurely by the White House.
Our president’s public flagellation of America only emboldened the junta in Tehran — leaving Iran’s power brokers more defiant, determined and dismissive than they’ve been in years.
Obozo whined!
People, uh, died!
ew
getalife
June 16th, 2009
5:33 pm
Hell, he lost the left on the torture cover up.
The corporate establishment has a new puppet, same as the old puppet.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:36 pm
getalife –”The corporate establishment has a new puppet, same as the old puppet.”
Agreed, but what did we expect?
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:38 pm
josef nix
Before you came here, I wrote that what the Left saw as Pres Bush’s neofascistcontrolsubvertfreedoms may not have been that at all – more an attempt to reassert Executive powers in relation to Legislative powers. I even wrote that I wouldn’t be surprised if, when Obama was elected, we saw his alignment on issues that would cause the Left angst and the right puzzlement.
In other words, when he became the head of the Executive, he’d exhibit a different attitude.
oh no…. there goes my anti-Obama bias again…. dang….
Obama is a nerd/Tom Petty is the coolest
June 16th, 2009
5:39 pm
expediency.
Thank you sir.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:39 pm
@@ “Unbelievable. LITERALLY!!!!!!!!”
My, how the worm has turned, eh? And so quick…
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:42 pm
Paul–but wouldn’t that be logical and rational?
getalife
June 16th, 2009
5:42 pm
joseph,
I am still amazed Americans still trust what they spew in campaigns.
When did they stop lying to earn trust?
Normal
June 16th, 2009
5:43 pm
Josef, read my religious experence in the last thread, last post…
Normal
June 16th, 2009
5:45 pm
The President of the last eight years didn’t lie? Oh that’s too funney,
Stop it, your killing me, Wiser.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:48 pm
Getalife-ain’t the truth!
Normal–heh, heh.I’m tellin’ you, the gym is not conducive to good health!
Normal
June 16th, 2009
5:49 pm
GETALIFE, I’ll tell you why…because we want to believe in something bigger than us, a cause, spiritual revolution, whatever, because in America most of us want to believe in people and take what they say as gospel…heh, heh…I’ve bought more swampland than I can shake a stick at!
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:55 pm
NORMAL @5:49–translated, we want somebody to do it for us.
Normal
June 16th, 2009
5:56 pm
Josef, 5:55 You know, could be…
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:58 pm
Normal–continuing with the religious metaphore, it’s the tent revival mentality. That’s why I insist on calling the two-day wonder Shabbatai Zvi.
@@
June 16th, 2009
5:59 pm
josef @ 5:39:
It came as no surprise to me. I was a Giuliani fan — from liberal to conservative — dirty laundry and all.
I remember that during the campaign he said “If you’re looking for perfect, don’t vote for me.”
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:59 pm
Frankly, I’m waiting for the salacious! Already got my bets laid with my bookie on what they’ll be.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:02 pm
@@–I remember that during the campaign he said “If you’re looking for perfect, don’t vote for me.”
Yeah, I remember that, too. I wouldn’t have voted for him, but that comment caused me to give him some respect.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:03 pm
“President Barack Obama’s administration is adhering, at least for now, to a Bush administration policy that White House visitor logs are presidential records that the public has no right to see.”
Don’t worry just yet, his track record is to change his mind at least six more times. (see Iraq photos)
TnGelding
June 16th, 2009
6:04 pm
Solution! Move out of the WH! But seriously, this is a minor matter when compared to our many serious ones. That said, I think it can, and should, be settled in a manner to satisfy all. I think a lot of this entrenched thinking comes from the bureaucrats that run the many agencies. It seems to happen with every president.
Words inspire, heal and unite. Wars demoralize, destroy and splinter.
TnGelding
June 16th, 2009
6:05 pm
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
5:59 pm
Please, spare us!
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 16th, 2009
6:06 pm
Gee, I wonder why the libs quit chirping about the stock market?
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:07 pm
md–”Don’t worry just yet, his track record is to change his mind at least six more times. (see Iraq photos)”
And that’s before breakfast.
AmVet
June 16th, 2009
6:07 pm
Though I was excoriated by one of the faux conservatives here for repeating it, I will do so again.
Some months ago Ralph Nader said, “He is going to be our first African-American president and we wish him well. But his choice basically is whether he is going to be Uncle Sam for the people of this country or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations.”
It would seem to some degree, the question is still unanswered.
I had serious reservations about BHO last year. I still do. He is VERY corporate friendly. And was in fact the first Democrat EVER to out raise the GOP candidate in corporate donations.
So I warned my liberal friends, “Prepare to be dissapointed.”
But to be fair the Uppity One has repealed a number of the more idiotic (illegal?) signing statements and “policies” of the the Blunderer-in-Chief before him. And there is no doubt in any rational mind that he is an ENORMOUS improvement over the deadly and utterly incompetent screw ups called BushCo.
Whose myopic faithful still expose their craven characteristics with their long standing mantra of “Be afraid! Be very afraid”.
No, I won’t be afraid. But you can cower under the bed as long as you like…
Dave R.
June 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
Yet another example of not ready for prime time Hope & Change. The reversals on stated campaign policy are seemingly endless. Wait at least 5 days before signing bills – out the window. Complain about Bush’s firing of U.S. Attorneys (which is completely in the purview of the President to Presidential appointees), and then fires an Inspector General. Get us out of Iraq – now keep us in Iraq. Don’t escalate the war in the Middle East, yet send more troops to Afghanistan. Doesn’t want to run private businesses – yet now wants controls on executive pay and controls GM. And while I think he’s doing the right thing with the elections in Iran right now, I think it is more because he doesn’t know what to do, rather than actually doing what he thinks is right there.
This is what you get when you put a four-years removed junior state senator with NO legislative experience and NO executive experience in the Oval Office. The damage this man will do to this country in the next 3 1/2 years will take decades to unravel.
You libs own this guy and the disaster he’s creating.
Sam
June 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
Joseph Nix, the Rev. Wright was disguised in “whiteface”, thereby duping the Jews.
New heat sensors indicate the “Rev” sipping champaign while entertaining two “ladies” that also sneeked into the back door.
Meanwhile, at the West Wing, Obama, Ayers, ACORN officials, and CAIR leaders could be seen practicing what appears to be “Black Power” salutes ala Black Panthers-style.
Please stay in tuned for more spy satellite and heat sensor updates courtesy of Vladimir Putin
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:08 pm
Tn Gelding–
Oh, my! Might tetchy there ain’t you?
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:10 pm
I’d kinda like Spkr Pelosi and Sen Reid to lead the way on this. As in, record and publish every meeting they have. Name, interest represented, topic. All of ‘em. Whether in the halls of Congress or not.
That’d be real leadership!
Which is why it’ll never happen.
gosh, I hope I’m wrong on this.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:12 pm
Sam–thanks for the update! Keep us posted. Enquiring minds want to know!
booger
June 16th, 2009
6:13 pm
You left out the biggest……I will veto any spending bill with earmarks.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:13 pm
“He is VERY corporate friendly.”
Why is this so scary to so many?
WE are corporations folks and WE want them to succeed. Corporations carry the economy as well. Every retirement plan in the nation is most likely tied to corporations.
If your beef is with corporate compensation, that is another story, but corporations are good for all of us, quit bashing them.
TnGelding
June 16th, 2009
6:14 pm
Clinton gave us enough of that kind of stuff, but I just got in on the tailend and might have taken it out of context.
Speaking of hypocricy:
Sen. Ensign admits affair with ex-campaign staffer
WASHINGTON (AP) – Republican Sen. John Ensign of Nevada admitted Tuesday he had an extramarital affair with a member of his campaign staff. Ensign told The Associated Press in a statement, “I deeply regret and am very sorry for my actions.” An aide in Ensign’s office said the affair took place between December 2007 and August 2008 with a campaign staffer who was married to an employee in Ensign’s Senate office. Neither have worked for the senator since May 2008. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity.
Not to mention immorality.
I rule Andy
June 16th, 2009
6:14 pm
To all the whining wingbutternuts:
You put up an inferior set of candidates, and had a terrible history for 8 years. So yeah Obummer is a politician, we all know that. You simply couldn’t muster up the collective sack to put up there someone more “palatable”.
Now you all sit and scream “harder, faster…” to the neo-con nutjobs and America hating “conservatives”, and whine incessently no matter what your President does. Just shut the F up… If you’re not part of the solution, (which none of you wingbutternuts are), then you’re part of the problem.
To recap:
You put extremist nutjob up for VP. Therefore you lost out on the opportunity to appoint not one, but most likely 2 Supreme court justices. The result of that is you will most likely not be able to leverage “conservative” activist judges to overturn legislation you don’t like for another generation and beyond. Moderation actually is good sometimes…., NO HARDER FASTER…bomb bomb bomb… hehe
Your current president does EXACTLY what “the Greatest President and hero ever” has done, but he’s a socialist bent on the destruction of America… Yah mission accomplished… idiots…
Bwaaahahahaha
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Class of '98
June 16th, 2009
6:16 pm
When the campaign was at full tilt, I was amazed at how many people believed every word Obama said.
Among those believers, two camps are now forming. There are those, like Jay, that say “wait a minute, he’s not practicing as he preached during the campaign.”
And then there are the others, like the moonbat commenters on this blog, who rationalize every Obama campaign lie.
Kudos, Jay. Having the courage to post a blog detailing an Obama campaign lie is impressive.
And if you are honest, it won’t be the last.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:16 pm
“Complain about Bush’s firing of U.S. Attorneys (which is completely in the purview of the President to Presidential appointees), and then fires an Inspector General”
Don’t forget the firing of a private individual as well. Talk about precedent.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:17 pm
md–@6:13 we are, after all, SUPPOSED to be a laissez faire capitalist society. As my granddaddy told me back in my trotskyite salad days of youth: “well, I tell you what. Just don’t buy anything with Inc. on the label.”
Sam
June 16th, 2009
6:18 pm
One last update before dinner…..
Putin’s super double ultra secret heat sensors now show Brian Williams (who bowed before the Great Obama on TV) joined by Catie Couric and Charlie Gibson (who by the way is broadcasting from the White House) with Obama in the Oval Office. They are all kneeling on prayer rugs, facing East….
more to follow after dinner, although Jay has had a short leash in silencing me in recent weeks….that’s why I have been away for awhile. Typical liberal….no sense of humor
Redneck Convert
June 16th, 2009
6:18 pm
Well, how you going to get all the loose women in the White House if everybody sees who can sign in? And how are all the Congress people going to sneak in to do their dirty deals if they know everybody else knows they’ve been there? I don’t let anybody else know who comes to the trailer to see me and I don’t think a President should let people know either. We wouldn’t never of had a energy policy in the last administration if everybody could see who met with Cheney.
So I say move on. There’s plenty of other stuff to blast this Obama about. Like him promising not to raise taxes and then raising them big time on my Skoal and Red Man. Right there’s about 30% of the people that got a tax increase, not the 5% he talked about. If you got time to look at White House visitor logs, you ain’t working hard enough. Have a good night everybody.
Normal
June 16th, 2009
6:23 pm
Be gentle with me Josef. I’m just a dumb old man. Had to google Shabbatai Zvi, you teachers are all alike…;>)
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:24 pm
TNGelding 6:14
And that has what, exactly, to do with Pres Obama’s record secrecy?
AmVet
Hey, it’s been 20 minutes. I’da thought at least one real liberal woulda excoriated you for that post!
Jay
It appears the Democratic Left has been presented another issue they don’t wish to discuss.
Speaks volumes, eh?
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:25 pm
Normal
[[Be gentle with me... I’m just a... old man. Had to google Shabbatai Zvi]]
Careful, Normal…. you could get arrested for that!
FinnMcCool
June 16th, 2009
6:27 pm
No, I’m not high…but this is still funny.
Obama Crushes Pesky Fly On CNBC
During a break in the interview, the President made quick work of the pest. “That was pretty impressive wasn’t it?” President Obama said. “I got the sucker.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/obama-crushes-pesky-fly-o_n_216453.html
booger
June 16th, 2009
6:28 pm
I rule Andy,
Conservatives put up an extremist nutjob for VP…..Well Dems. put up an extremist nutjob for President, and they won. Must not have been a totally bad strategy.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:29 pm
Barry’s seen the secret book and now he wants to share it with his group of secret people.
Isn’t that what politicians do? Maybe one day this country will elect a business man instead of a politician, certainly can’t be any worse.
Normal
June 16th, 2009
6:29 pm
A quote: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutly.
McNamara once said, power corrupts, and absolute power is really neat…I can’t help but wonder…know what I mean, Verne
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:30 pm
Finn
Fun clip! But now PETA’s gonna be mad… he does know how to alienate the Leftie special interests, doesn’t he?
Normal
June 16th, 2009
6:30 pm
Paul, this is the 21st century, I’m well past 21 and I’ll damwell google who I please…
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:30 pm
Normal–no worry! Still among some of the Orthodox sects it is forbidden to say his name!
Paul “Careful, Normal…. you could get arrested for that!”
Just heard there was a truckload of Chassidim on the way over with a warrent!
getalife
June 16th, 2009
6:31 pm
John Ensign voted to indict Bill Clinton .
John Ensign admits affair.
John Ensign is a hypocrite.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:33 pm
“John Ensign is a hypocrite”
Good, now he is like all the others up on the hill.
Normal
June 16th, 2009
6:33 pm
Just heard there was a truckload of Chassidim on the way over with a warrent! Bring ‘em on! Uh,where’d I hear that before?
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:34 pm
NORML “Paul, this is the 21st century, I’m well past 21 and I’ll damwell google who I please…”
Please, spare us!–Tn Gelding
I hear his payess flappin’ in the breeze as we speak, Bullwinkle
AmVet
June 16th, 2009
6:35 pm
“Why is this so scary to so many?”
md, scary is exactly the wrong word, but man where have you been the past few years???
And bashing them???
Perhaps you’ve already forgotten what happen last September? (Many of the plutocrats and criminals are certainly trying to do disappearing acts these days.)
When the Bush orchestrated attempted corporate destruction of capitalism came to fruition?
75% of Americans believe corporations have too much control in this country.
We’ve just endured the greatest economic implosion since the Great Depression because casino capitalists and gangster capitalists were not held to the rule of law.
It is simply amazing to me that there are those who not outraged…
Normal
June 16th, 2009
6:35 pm
Gotta go, I’m making a mexican stew for supper and a couple of lunches. It’s a really good recipe…the hardest part is finding a young, plump mexican…yummie
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:39 pm
NORMAL–”…G-d would like us to be joyful, even when our hearts lie panting on the floor/how much more can we be joyful, when there’s really something to be joyful for, to life, to life, l’chaim…”
–”Fiddler on the Roof
Mrs. Godzilla
June 16th, 2009
6:39 pm
Finn McCool
Nice to meet you. Your link reminds me of the song lyrics, “sometimes you’re the windshield, somtimes you’re the bug”. At the risk of raising some ire, the Republican party is scheduled as bug until at least 2015.
Yep, Obama must release the visitors logs. Can he release ALL of them?
Did the others ever get released? Let’s go back 8 or 10 or 20 or more years. I got no problem with that.
There will remain the need for the the occasional secret meeting, so I figure it will be off “campus” losing the homefield advantage (look a sports metaphor!) or off the books.
Swiss Steak night….oh boy!
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:40 pm
NORMAL–a nice plump Messican–come over to my neighborhood. Can get ‘em for you wholesale!
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:42 pm
Normal 6:35
After my chile verde post, I thought. “oh, good.”
Got me.
Payback. Ugghhh.
md
June 16th, 2009
6:44 pm
Amvet,
One canot be outraged at a “corporation”. We are corporations, as we own the stock.
Now, to be outraged at some individuals within corporations…….but equal outrage must be reserved for unscrupulous consumers as well, and gov. agencies, and politicians, and……………
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:44 pm
Ms Gozilla–Swiss diplomat two doors down…he looks a little fatty though. Best stop in town on Hallowe’en–Swiss chocolates!
md
June 16th, 2009
6:46 pm
“Let’s go back 8 or 10 or 20 or more years. I got no problem with that.”
I thought the idea was to do the right thing regardless of the past, but now the past is a convenient excuse?
Paul
June 16th, 2009
6:52 pm
AmVet
I don’t know if you were around the other day, but I tossed out a question. Don’t recall anything came back that could serve as an answer. But in light of your previous posts, maybe you can. At least I’m sure it’d be nonpartisan.
Global warming. Climate change. Call it whatever, I don’t care. Agree it’s caused by carbon. So the aim is to reduce the NOUN by going after carbon.
This is my question: why is the ONLY mechanism (I find it difficult to believe there’s only one viable, effective mechanism) Cap and Trade? A mechanism, if I understand correctly, that involves corporations and investment funds buying at auction the permits, then reselling them for a profit?
My gosh, we speak of reforming our health care system with something that doesn’t involve a profit motive as the be all and end all, yet when this comes up, we go whole hog to send gazillions in profits to corps and hedge funds.
And this is the ‘answer’ championed by Democrats!
I’ve an idea of the answer but I’d like to consider your take on it.
josef nix
June 16th, 2009
6:54 pm
Laying the jokes aside for a moment, we really should be glad to see this criticism. It is time to get past the free pass and treat the President the way he should be treated in a free and democratic society.
Gotta run…something is smelling good from the kitchen and it’s coming time for channel surfing BBC, CNN, Shepard Smith and PBS Newshour…
AmVet
June 16th, 2009
6:57 pm
md. I realized your point initially.
Yes when I indict “corporations” I am indicting the criminals who run them.
So yes, we are corporations. Technically, but only symbolically so.
The first law of capitalism is if you own it, you control it.
Tell that to the TINY number of people who actually control these corporations. The share holders have virtually NO power. Virtually no control. They cannot change corporate policies or decisions. they ahve no fundamental control over day to day operations or the direction.
So these foxes whose sacred duty was to guard the hen houses (our money) created false values. Then they extracted profits that didn’t exist. Then they paid their flunkies at every other level of the free market and government to play dumb. And their are at least eight levels I’ve docuimented.
And some ignorantly say, “It’s only a few bad apples!”
WRONG> It was and is systemic.
And Obama hasn’t the stomach for widespread prosecutions or economic justice. The men who own these multi-national corporations and who hide behind that giant American flag on Wall Street should be both in prison and paying for the “bailout” with their money.
Not yours and mine. And our kids. And their kids…
Sam
June 16th, 2009
7:01 pm
New spy satellite update….Bill Ayers is now sitting in the president’s chair in the oval office, feet up on the desk, smoking a joint. An agitated Obama is heard (via the super double secret audio listening device) telling him to get out of his chair.
Ayers responds, nana nana boo boo, you can’t make me Barry, I know too much dirt on you!…..A frustrated Obama lets out a “harumph” and stomps out of the room.
Meanwhile, Michelle Obama has discretely joined the party with the “Rev” in the Lincoln Bedroom….Oh wait! Now Oprah is seen to follow her…
Eeewww….
I Report :-) You Whine :-(
June 16th, 2009
7:06 pm
ALARM: National Security Agency has ability to collect, read domestic e-mails of Americans on widespread basis…
They’re probably watching you right now, getathejoke.
Booooo!
What, no whining?
AmVet
June 16th, 2009
7:07 pm
Paul,
First of all, anyone who is in 2009 still denying man-induced climate change is simply not believable. Sorry, that is just the way the science works.
As you might guess, I see the Waxman-Markey climate bill now on the table, which calls for cap-and-trade, a colossal bust. It’s too easily manipulated and countermanded by politicians. Right now, they’re having a battle over whether they can even auction the credits off for money. And industry doesn’t even want the auctions.
It’s not gonna work.
We simply have to stem the free flow of greenhouse gases (GHG) by making them more expensive to emit. If we must pay to pollute, we will opt to pollute less.
A better idea IMHO is a revenue-neutral carbon-tax.
http://www.carbontax.org/
Bud Wiser
June 16th, 2009
7:10 pm
Paul
June 16th, 2009
5:18 pm
Bud Wiser 5:00
But don’t you support his positions – at least the ones he’s done opposite what many expected?
No.
Supporting a liar, a cheater, a drug addict, a newspaper, etc., etc., only empowers them in their own minds just a bit further.
Sorry, but I’m not some dumb-arse cheerleader that supports the winning team just because they are winning. Hell, I was a Braves fan before ‘91, and when I was a kid I was a 49ers fan before Joe Montana. I even married a Pittsburgh gal and became a fan of the Steelers before they were good.
As far as Obowo, I am not like Limbaugh’s statement that everyone has gone overboard on saying he would like to ’see him fail’. No, not at all.
I fully expect to see him fail, and to fail catastrophically. It is not for me to want to happen at all. I believe 100% that it is inevitable and unavoidable, especially with the cast of government drones around him, enabling the liar, if you get my point. His drop will be historic in nature, and he will destroy the financial lives, dreams and aspirations of those in this country that still want to succeed on our own, and not be given what we think we are entitled to.
And the toads on the left still chase the cracker. To me, that is equally fascinating from an intellectual point of view to see, to watch history repeating itself with the millions of ignorant, mindless drones that still support this disaster of a presidency unfolding before the eyes of the nation, and still they cheer.
Incredible.
Midori
June 16th, 2009
7:11 pm
jesus,
all of this “wingnut juice” all over the place!!
you guys are spitting out big o’s everywhere!
lol!!!
question: was it worth the wait?
Bud Wiser
June 16th, 2009
7:13 pm
And the dimwits chirp in with about the biggest load of stupidity one can muster…..
FinnMcCool
June 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
I should add: catching the fly was Barack’s Hawaiian Ninja coming out.
heheheheheh
Midori
June 16th, 2009
7:16 pm
well, my load certainly can’t compare with your’s, Bud.
you’re the king, baby!!
FinnMcCool
June 16th, 2009
7:17 pm
Bud Says Supporting a liar, a cheater, a drug addict,…
W?
This Belgian Bud’s for you!
FinnMcCool
June 16th, 2009
7:19 pm
Belgian Bud…Hmmmm, sounds like something you can buy in Amsterdam.