Just who IS this Obama guy anyway?
To some people, Barack Obama is just a hard guy to figure out. He won’t fit easily in the usual mental pigeon holes, and that gets frustrating. Just this week, Rush Limbaugh referred to the president as “a half-black, half-white human being with no experience running anything of substance.”
I have no idea what made that “half-black, half-white” thing relevent. But apparently it’s an important observation, at least in Rush’s World.
Then there’s the matter of Obama’s religion. Over at Politico, they noted that “Barack Obama invokes Jesus more than George W. Bush.”
“In his speech Thursday in Cairo, Obama told the crowd that he is a Christian and mentioned the Islamic story of Isra, in which Moses, Jesus and Mohammed joined in prayer.
At the University of Notre Dame on May 17, Obama talked about the good works he’d seen done by Christian community groups in Chicago. “I found myself drawn — not just to work with the church but to be in the church,” Obama said. “It was through this service that I was brought to Christ.”
And a month before that, Obama mentioned Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount at Georgetown University to make the case for his economic policies. Obama retold the story of two men, one who built his house on a pile of sand and the other who built his on a rock: “We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand,” Obama said. “We must build our house upon a rock.”
But in the Washington Times, the increasingly loony Frank Gaffney insists that appearances not withstanding, Obama is actually … well, why not let Frank explain it to you:
“…. there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself. Consider the following indicators:
• Mr. Obama referred four times in his speech to “the Holy Koran.” Non-Muslims — even pandering ones — generally don’t use that Islamic formulation.
• Mr. Obama established his firsthand knowledge of Islam (albeit without mentioning his reported upbringing in the faith) with the statement, “I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed.” Again, “revealed” is a depiction Muslims use to reflect their conviction that the Koran is the word of God, as dictated to Muhammad.
• Then the president made a statement no believing Christian — certainly not one versed, as he professes to be, in the ways of Islam — would ever make. In the context of what he euphemistically called the “situation between Israelis, Palestinians and Arabs,” Mr. Obama said he looked forward to the day “. . . when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) joined in prayer.”
…. In the final analysis, it may be beside the point whether Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim. In the Speech and elsewhere, he has aligned himself with adherents to what authoritative Islam calls Shariah — notably, the dangerous global movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood … “
So, to review:
Half black, half white. Half Christian, half Muslim. Half American, half Other….
Why, he’s President Half and Half! Pour him in your morning coffee and — voila! — suddenly it’s a little lighter in color, and a little less bitter on the taste buds.
And you know, maybe that’s the problem: I suspect that some folks prefer to swallow their bitterness straight up, no chaser. They prefer to see the world in stark black and white, with no shades of subtle gray.
And certainly no shades of mocha.
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getalife
June 9th, 2009
2:56 pm
To me, it’s a life and death bill,” Graham said, after confirming that a filibuster is on the table. He said the White House has not only been supportive, but hands-on in the crafting of the FOIA exemption. “They had us write the language,” he said. “They’ve been very, very helpful.”
Obama is all in on this cover up.
Wow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/09/house-dems-want-hearings_n_213151.html
Bud Wiser
June 9th, 2009
3:07 pm
I like the title anyway.
Perhaps this should have all been clarified before the primaries, and then the election.
Of course that would never have stopped the 94%er’s from voting straight black, I mean Obowo.
Doggone/GA
June 9th, 2009
3:11 pm
“Perhaps this should have all been clarified before the primaries, and then the election”
Fortunately, it was.
DB, Gwinnettian
June 9th, 2009
3:14 pm
Rush is a pig.
That is all.
George American
June 9th, 2009
3:16 pm
Laugh while you can, monkeyboy!!!
The media ruse is coming to light. America is beginning to see through the secret agenda of Barak Hussein Obama. Just as you were warned before he was elected, he is a muslim and is here to dictate the agenda of the muslim faith.
You guys who elected this charlatan are stooges!
Northern Songs Ltd
June 9th, 2009
3:17 pm
If any of you have wondered if Jay posts stuff just for his own amusement, wonder no more. This posting will no doubt bring out the most hateful, bigoted trash imagineable, and Jay will just sit back and laugh and laugh……
Brad Steel
June 9th, 2009
3:18 pm
Rush should have used the more hip term”oreo”.
Although Obama may be 1/2-n-1/2, Rush is 100% racist with lots and lots of unhealthy, mid-destroying FAT.
professional skeptic
June 9th, 2009
3:22 pm
Rush Limbaugh is a half-fat, half-blubber moron, with no experience running anything other than his fat mouth.
booger
June 9th, 2009
3:24 pm
Obama is the Guy both China and the Europeon Union Fear will further wreck the World economy because of his reckless spending. This after Geitner was laughed at by a Chinese audience when he said the US economy was basically sound.
DB, Gwinnettian
June 9th, 2009
3:25 pm
Of course that would never have stopped the 94%er’s from voting straight black
John Kerry is black? Who knew.
Joey
June 9th, 2009
3:26 pm
The sad thing here is that Jay has chosen to bait his readers, to play on emotions. It will draw comments, maybe go to 4 or 5 pages. But it is a cheap and ignoble game he plays.
All to typical. Net contribution to valid debate or discussion, zero.
Doggone/GA
June 9th, 2009
3:26 pm
“Jay will just sit back and laugh and laugh……”
He won’t be the only one.
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
3:27 pm
Well as Jon Voigt says, he is no false prophet.
Seriously, I heard that and thought “WTF?” What is it with the wingnuts who compare Obama to some religious figure? You certainly do not hear anyone from the left or even left of extreme right doing that. If you want to see leaders who are religious figures, either get in a time machine and travel backwards or go to Iran.
Doggone/GA
June 9th, 2009
3:27 pm
“maybe go to 4 or 5 pages”
Not a chance. It’ll die out before it gets to the end of the 2nd page…if it even gets that far.
Doggone/GA
June 9th, 2009
3:29 pm
“Well as Jon Voigt says, he is no false prophet”
I thought Voigt said he WAS a false prophet.
Chicken Tetrazini
June 9th, 2009
3:30 pm
Joey @ 3:26 pm “Jay has chosen to bait his readers ” …”All to (sic) typical. Net contribution to valid debate or discussion, zero.”
Oh the irony, Joey. Sucker.
Mrs. Godzilla
June 9th, 2009
3:31 pm
Who’s this Obama guy?
Why, he’s the President of the United States of America!
It still feels great to type that.
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
3:32 pm
Doggone,
Oh, yeah, my bad. Sorry, I sometimes get confused with crazy wingnut euphemisms.
Mrs. Godzilla
June 9th, 2009
3:34 pm
Who is this Obama Guy?
He’s the guy who ordered Stephen Colberts head shaved!
ttp://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2697706&ref=fpblg
Mrs. Godzilla
June 9th, 2009
3:34 pm
darn
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2697706&ref=fpblg
getalife
June 9th, 2009
3:35 pm
Come on cons.
He is fully covering up spying on Americans, voted for telcom amnesty and covering up torture. He rewarded the ones that caused the economic crises with billions and will not regulate them. Two ongoing occupations.
You should like this guy.
What’s the problem?
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
3:35 pm
DB,
“Rush is a pig.
That is all.”
While I might agree with that sentiment, and sometimes simple is best, I do like bacon, ham, and pork roast, so I must take offense to that sentiment and suggest you find another more untasty creature to compare.
Logical Dude
June 9th, 2009
3:40 pm
So, for Frank Gaffney, being able to talk to Muslims by using some “Muslim sounding phrases” makes him a Muslim?
1) You can talk to Muslims and learn quite quickly that when they say “Mohammed” they the immediate qualifier “peace be upon him”, so it sounds like Mohammed peasbeponnim.
2) Saying that using a story from the Koran makes him Muslim is. . . well. . . incorrect. I can see Obama having a few people helping with this part of the speech.
3) Saying “Holy Koran” helps Obama speak to his intended audience. Again, this does not make him Muslim. It merely indicates he has been educated in certain areas that many in the US have not.
4) I feel that an Imam trying talk to a Christian audience may well try to learn a few things that merge Christianity and Islam, you know, to find COMMON GROUND.
And common ground is the beginning of the peace process. (So says the guy on Star Trek, the Next Generation, who was unable to speak on his own)
mike
June 9th, 2009
3:42 pm
Stop the presses. A liberal partisan punditsdoesn’t like conservative partisan pundits.
In a related story, conservative partisan pundits don’t like liberal partisan pundits.
Good thing there is nothing more important going on in the world to discuss.
Thanks Jay for raising the bar on commentary.
Shawny
June 9th, 2009
3:45 pm
Hard to hit a moving target.
Paul
June 9th, 2009
3:45 pm
Hmmm. Jay’s thread hits on points that address liberal and conservative misconceptions. And the comments address the conservative misconceptions.
I noted during the primary and in the first little bit after January, when people would write about Pres Bush’s Christianity, as well as others’, and they would go on and on about it…
that Obama spoke the same language at least as often as Bush did.
No acknowledgment from the Left on that point.
Still isn’t. But I’ll bet someone on the Left will say, “That’s ’cause Pres Obama is a REAL Christian!”
The Gaffney piece? When are these guys going to figure out Pres Obama was not addressing a US audience? Ever have a politician come to your neck of the woods? What do the invariably say? Something about the region or culture, or anything, that says “Hey, I know about you. I understand. I connect!”
So Pres Obama used language his audience would appreciate. Well, DUUHHHH!
By Gaffney’s standards, next time a politician goes to, say, Boston or Chicago or maybe even Notre Dame, he should not ‘pander’ and lead off with “that guy in the Vatican who thinks he heads the same church he alleges existed since the time of that carpenter dude…”
I double dang guarantee he’ll get their votes!
Normal
June 9th, 2009
3:46 pm
I voted for President Obama and I probably will again if his programs work out and most especially if he brings the troops home from Iraq.
Since I don’t care much for mainstream religions, I don’t give a fig
what he wants to worship, as long as he does his job. I’ll just keep waiting and watching, but so far I like what I’m seeing.
Normal
June 9th, 2009
3:47 pm
By the way, a better discription of Rush would be a great white whale
Paul
June 9th, 2009
3:49 pm
Bosch
Was thinking about your BBQ pork crockpot recipe, and, T-shirt notice!
Rush Crockpots
It’s an ingredient, not a brand
DB, Gwinnettian
June 9th, 2009
3:53 pm
Bosch @ 3.35, point taken.
Looked at another way, I’ve heard from a lot of different sources that as critters go, pigs are rather intelligent. (George Miller talks in the Babe DVD commentary about how the animals would still remember their cues years later).
so, apologies to any actual pigs reading this for that utterly unwarranted comparison with the Excrement in Broadcasting.
Later, gators.
Paul
June 9th, 2009
3:54 pm
Oh, and Bosch
Ron Howard and Tom Hanks didn’t disappoint. Couldn’t quite figure out why the Vatican was all that upset.
The Terminator movie was a bit lacking, though.
ByteMe
June 9th, 2009
3:59 pm
Paul says But I’ll bet someone on the Left will say, “That’s ’cause Pres Obama is a REAL Christian!”
Uhhh, since when do lefties care about the religious faith of their politicians as anything other than a way to bash the conservative evangelicals?
And I agree with Bosch: pigs are insulted by comparing them to Rush.
Redneck Convert
June 9th, 2009
4:02 pm
Well, if he wasn’t a Muslim he would of went over there and told all the Towelheads to start acting like Christians. He won’t show us his birth certificate. Which would show he wasn’t born in the U.S. of A. and is a Muslim.
Anyhow, old Rush is never wrong. And neither is Hannity and Boortz. Have a good night everybody.
jewcowboy
June 9th, 2009
4:03 pm
Mrs. Godzilla,
“He’s the guy who ordered Stephen Colberts head shaved!”
I watched that last night and nearly spit out my Cabernet! THAT is really supporting our troops.
Lord Help Us
June 9th, 2009
4:11 pm
Georgie Porgie…thanks for the 3:16. I needed a good belly laugh today.
Are these goons for real?!?!?!?
Gandalf, the White! (!)
June 9th, 2009
4:14 pm
He’s a nightmare, that’s what he is! Jay how goes the job search? Your circ department sent a request to get JUST the Sunday paper. I wrote on it rid of Cynthia Tucker and write me back. Took your name off Jay, your blog isn’t 1/2 bad! Were else can I find so many silly liberals to poke fun at! It’s like shooting fish in a barrel! THANKS JAY!
Gandalf, the White! (!)
June 9th, 2009
4:17 pm
Barry is many things, but first among these, he is a raghead!
RB from Gwinnett
June 9th, 2009
4:19 pm
Jay, you appear to have left off the conclusion. Surely in whatever journalism school you went to they taught you to present points and then make a conclusion of some sort. I don’t see you concluding anything here. Rush says he’s half black and half white. What is your conclusion there?
Some other dude says he claims to be a Christian but says things that make him question that and perhaps he’s Muslim. What’s Jay’s conclusion?
We’ll all wait for your correction of the poorly written piece, Jay. No charge for the tutoring, btw.
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
4:20 pm
When I think of Rush, I think of a big giant yard slug – ya’ know the big nasty ones who leave the trail of slime?
Paul,
I like it! I forgot about my love of BBQ – (Yeah, one more shame on you DB, but your response is cool with me).
I liked A&D pretty well – I like Tom Hanks – fine actor – but I’ve never been able to get my head around him as Robert Langdon. And in both those movies, I hate the way his character almost takes a side note to explain what a certain thing means.
I have GOT to go see Star Trek!!!
Goldie
June 9th, 2009
4:22 pm
I love our mocha President — he doesn’t get rattled by all the gossipy fuss ‘n stuff!
@@
June 9th, 2009
4:25 pm
One thing’s for sure…
he’s a typical politician, something he claimed not to be.
The half-black, half-white comment made by Limbaugh?
Maybe that was a way to relieve everyone who voted for him of their remorse — the burden of guilt. If black, you can blame the white half. If you’re white, you can blame the white half.
Voila! Everyone’s conscience is free.
Noot
June 9th, 2009
4:28 pm
My glass is only half full and it’s half his fault.
radiowxman
June 9th, 2009
4:28 pm
Obama may be many things.
But what’s apparent is that he doesn’t care much about the fate of Asian people. Especially those kidnapped and taken to North Korea.
I’m sure he’s sent a harshly worded letter to Kim Jong Il. With the threat of another harsh letter if the prisoners aren’t released.
Kamchak
June 9th, 2009
4:29 pm
When I think of Rush, I think of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
Tom
June 9th, 2009
4:29 pm
Obama’s intellect places him far, far beyond the average American within the rancid masses. The next lowest level is that of the Republicant. A mind so filled with culpable ignorance, bitterness, jealousy, and hatred that it cannot/will not even BEGIN to comprehjend even the simplest of ideas/actions. Thus is he difficult to understand
at times. He speaks the English language with perfection and that is simply beyond the educational levels of our dumbed society. There exists no other “perfection” in the USA. We are…”out.” Things were spirling down fast enough before Missing Link Bush vomited his alcoholic way into DC. There’s really nothing left. Just the little, insignificant would-be Nazis playing their endless tunes.
Tom
June 9th, 2009
4:40 pm
Ahh, yes. For those too young to know, those who never studied it – and that’s probably 80% of your viewers – N. Korea has been kicking the crap out of us since 1953. Then under the great Ike. At all the “truce” meetings at Panmunjab (sp) they spit on our Officer delagations, laughed at them, mocked them, cursed them, on and on and on. Every day was a new humiliation. Well known facts of life. And yeah, I WAS there to see most of it – as an MP guard. You people need to learn some (any) history. It’s ALL quite available. Maybe instead of watching sportsbore, you could…. Naw. All ANY US president EVER did was dispatch “strong letters.” READ THE HISTORY. Bitter as that is, what would YOU insignificant people do?? An H-bomb??? Duhh.
I Report :-)/You Whine :-(
June 9th, 2009
4:40 pm
He’s a half black half white Islamic socialist who wishes he was all black.
That sound about right?
Noot
June 9th, 2009
4:42 pm
He’s already failed. So, what else is there to say. Noot/Sarah – 2012
rightofcenter
June 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
I’ll have some of what Tom is smoking.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
4:46 pm
Normal–good you’re here. An Argentine gentleman just gave me a copy of “Manana es San Peron: a cultural history of Peron’s Argentina” by Mariano ben Plotkin. It comes highly recommended in reference to mine and your earlier conversation from someone who was there in real time. Haven’t had a chance to do more than skim, but it’s interesting. I’ll be back on it…
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
4:54 pm
Whatever else he may be, and my jury is out, two things he ain’t–he ain’t the Messiah and he ain’t the antichrist.
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
4:54 pm
rightofcenter,
Don’t know if you saw it, but I left you a soccer post downstairs.
radiowxman
June 9th, 2009
4:55 pm
Of course NoKo has been a thorn in our side for years. Unfortunately, Truman was unable to keep the Chinese out of the war and we were lucky to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. But I digress.
And yes, North Korea has brunted all of our attempts at negotiation, just ask Madeline Albright and Jimmy Carter. But I would argue the taking of Americans as hostage, combined with the blatant disregard of the international community regarding nuke and missile tests, I would argue that this is a level of aggression we haven’t seen since the end of the war.
. Now, I know the president is busy apologizing for every real and perceived slight America has ever done to the Arab world. But perhaps he could, you know, postpone that for a trip to Beijing to get the Chinese on board with stopping their neighbors. And maybe get some of our European and Asian allies to push North Korea. That shouldn’t be a problem now that the world loves us again.
Failing that, a blockade would be a nice start.
Bosch
June 9th, 2009
4:57 pm
rightofcenter,
Actually I left you three soccer posts downstairs.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
4:57 pm
Just a question. Does Indonesia register populations by religion and if so how was Mr. Ob-ma registered while there. Not that it matters, just wondering.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
4:59 pm
Korea? Now there’s a case study in half and half…
Kamchak
June 9th, 2009
4:59 pm
Bosch
Kaka is going to Real Madrid, so I don’t know if they got the $ for pretty boy too. Looks like another year playing for Sir Alex. Damn!
S GA dem
June 9th, 2009
5:01 pm
Tom, facts and common sense are of little use against this group. The koolaid is strong.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
5:07 pm
DB Gwenettian–thanks for your defense of the porcine! Susceptible to alcoholism though. Univesity of Missouri in their research on the diseased used pigs and one of their findings was that they preferred screwdrivers! Hmmm
Bosch–with all due respect, I’m about as far left as you can get and I call him Shabbatai Zvi Ob-ma.
Tom–oh he speaks the language well (and he’s BLACK) but not flawlessly. Only the Queen of England can make that claim. It’s what he’s NOT saying that keeps me from joining the bleeding choir…
GOP is gone
June 9th, 2009
5:08 pm
No, no, no…. Rush is more of a enormous tumor. The real killer type, Grade VI Adenocarcinoma of the rectum. It has invaded all surrounding tissue, non resectable
John
June 9th, 2009
5:08 pm
Holy Red Meat Batman!
@@
June 9th, 2009
5:12 pm
Tom:
That language he speaks is Polispeak. A nuanced communication skill for which politicians are famous. The front door is open to pull you in and the back door is open for their escape.
Save or create?
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
5:16 pm
@@– “That language he speaks is Polispeak. A nuanced communication skill for which politicians are famous. The front door is open to pull you in and the back door is open for their escape.”
Oooh! Wish I’d have said that!
@@
June 9th, 2009
5:27 pm
Earlier today, the lawyers for the Indiana funds cited a remark from Fiat’s chief executive officer Sergio Marchionne that he wouldn’t abandon the deal after its June 15 deadline as a reason for the court to ignore pleas for a quick decision.
“Whether or not the arguments and testimony” used by Chrysler to speed progress of the deal are true, the “risk of termination by Fiat if the transaction does not close by June 15 no longer provides a basis for driving the timing of these proceedings,” lawyers for the Indiana pensioners who oppose the sale said in a filing today with the high court.
An early lesson for Obama.
The funds contend the sale violates their rights as secured creditors, who normally in a bankruptcy rank first in getting their money back. They also argue that the use of government money to help Chrysler violates the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which they say was intended for financial institutions, not carmakers.
AmVet
June 9th, 2009
5:32 pm
Wiper posits, “Of course that would never have stopped the 94%er’s from voting straight black, I mean Obowo.”
And exactly how does that explain the African-American Gore getting 90% of the black vote and the African-American Kerry getting 88%?
But I can assure you at least 94% of the white crackers voted against the Uppity One.
That number BTW has become my favorite.
The GOP has lost a staggering 94% of the races for US Congressman, US Senators, governorships and of course the Presidency since 2004.
67 out of 71 races.
Unimaginable. Unfathomable. Inconceivable!
And ironically 94 was the percentage in the Republiconned Party in the US Congress who authorized the Hero of the Texas ANG to botch an invasion and occupation.
See above reference for the results thereof!
Keep on getting decimated neo-conned and the rest of us will keep laughing at you…
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
5:34 pm
Checked it out and am informed that Indonesian identity documents to list the religion of the holder. If there as his father’s son, was he registered as Muslim or Atheist/agnostic?
Chris Salzmann
June 9th, 2009
5:41 pm
josef nix June 9th, 2009 4:57 pm SAID: Just a question. Does Indonesia register populations by religion and if so how was Mr. Ob-ma registered while there. Not that it matters, just wondering.
CHRIS SAYS: Nice bit of innuendo there but disappointingly for you and all you other “OBAMA IS A MUSLIM” crowd (I guess ya’ll missed the Reverend Wright stuff), adults don’t get automatically registered by their religion. School children, when registering at school, are registered under their father’s religion. In Obama’s case, his Indonesian Step-Father being (officially) a Muslim, was therefore also registered as a Muslim.
Are you stupid??? Just wondering ……………
RW-(the original)
June 9th, 2009
5:41 pm
josef,
Obama was listed as a Muslim in his school registration over in Indonesia if that answers your question.
DannyX
June 9th, 2009
5:42 pm
Good God of course he is a Muslim, look at some of these statements,
“The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.”
“[I know] that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.”
“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.”
RW-(the original)
June 9th, 2009
5:45 pm
“And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”–Barack Obama in Cairo
DoggoneGA
June 9th, 2009
5:55 pm
“Good God of course he is a Muslim, look at some of these statements,”
“The well guarded and protected mind can lead to great benefit; the unguarded mind to danger and even great harm. [Anguttara Nikaya 1.33-36]”
“Greed, unwholesome anger, and delusion are roots of unwholesome karma.”
“Alms and offerings are not useless. There is fruit and result, that is, consequences and effects, both of good and bad actions”
Hey! Now I’m a Buddhist!
AmVet
June 9th, 2009
5:57 pm
I knew all that church-going cr@p in Illinois and elsewhere was a sham.
I’m just thankful he’s not one of those Jesus-killers who own all the banks (and Hollywood and the media and…)
Think I’m kidding?
Straight from the RNC: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
DannyX
June 9th, 2009
5:59 pm
I hardly think President Bush is a Buddhist but I do believe he is a Muslim,
“The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.” (November 15, 2001)
“[I know] that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.” (September 28, 2001)
“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.” (September 17, 2001 )
TnGelding
June 9th, 2009
5:59 pm
George American
June 9th, 2009
3:16 pm
So what if he was Muslim? It wouldn’t matter to most of us. We’re looking for a leader that can get us out of the mess that has been building for decades because of spineless politicians. He handed the GOP its head on a platter, and they still have the unmitigated gall to call him a paper tiger.
The republic will endure. Let’s give him an honest chance.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:01 pm
It does answer my question. Chris, for G-d’s sake, I was just wondering! I am not of the Obama is a Muslim crowd. I am painfully aware that he is a practicing Christian (Prop 8, and sorry DB and @@ but it IS germane here). My reason for asking was simply that we don’t know how lucky we are to live in a society which does not practice this. When the deportations in France hit the Jews, most of the native French Jews were able to escape because their documents did not register by religion, When the deportations hit Hungary where Jews were living largely unmolested and going about their business as enfranchised citizens, the nazis were able to do their dirt in three months time because the Hungarians did register by religion.
The second point I was aiming for is that under the strictest interpretation of Sharia, one is required to kill the apostate and, were he registered as a Muslim in a Muslim society, this would make him a target of the fundamentalists.
Don’t be so knee-jerk. Like you, I am alarmed by those who would call him a Muslim and, even if he were, find that to be something to be in a dither about.
RealAmericanPatriot
June 9th, 2009
6:03 pm
radiowxman r.e. your 4:48
The administration certainly handled the Somali pirates holding an American sea captain hostage. Now we are faced with 2 Americans being held by North Korea. These women admittedly were in North Korea illegally (but it was an accident….wink, wink). I suspect the administration will work hard to get them back, but on their timetable, not yours you dumba$$ gelding.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:06 pm
AmVet–”I’m just thankful he’s not one of those Jesus-killers who own all the banks (and Hollywood and the media and…)”
Being a member of that cabal, I assume this is in sarcastic jest, and if so, I second it!
Kamchak
June 9th, 2009
6:08 pm
“I hardly think President Bush is a Buddist but I do believe he is a Muslim”
?????????????????????
Paul
June 9th, 2009
6:10 pm
All righty then. A bit of discussion on the Muslim angle (Doggone/GA, what do you want to be when you get reincarnated?
) I even learned Pres Bush is Muslim, too.
But what I haven’t seen are any of the people who are:
1. Pres Obama true believers, who
2. Regularly ridiculed Christian evangelicals
address why Pres Obama is exempt from the scorn.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:10 pm
KAMCHAK–I thought jewcowboy and I cleared that up. He’s an Azaleaist, Reformed.
DannyX
June 9th, 2009
6:11 pm
Well President Bush said these things, which prove he is a Muslim, right. Read what Bush himself said.
“The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.” (November 15, 2001)
“[I know] that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.” (September 28, 2001)
“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.” (September 17, 2001 )
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:13 pm
PAUL–why is he exempt? Because H-’s perfect. G-d in the flesh. Saviour of mankind. And, no, y’all I never said Ob-ma thought that, I’m just saying H-s followers of the cult of personality (Peron anyone? “Santa, Santa Evita…”) are certainly making the point FOR H-m whether H- wants it or not.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:15 pm
DANNY X–yes, he did say that. He did an awful lot to forego an anti-Muslim backlash at a crucial time (No Manzanar, folks) and is why my Bengali neighbor down the way voted for him.
Kamchak
June 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
DannyX
Sorry. Thought it was a typo.
BDAtlanta
June 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
Move over Olbermann, this ed fellow on MSNBC from 6-7pm EST is kickin it and takin names!
Paul
June 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
josef nix 6:13
Somehow, I don’t think he wants it. One can have an honest assessment of one’s superior abilities yet still have a very humble attitude.
TW
June 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
Having a President with brains is pretty cool
Is their a wealthy bunch of libs someplace who are bankrolling Rush, or what? And have they also propped back up Simple Sarah? And kept alive the Muslim debate? The socialist debate?
To those on the right who spent last winter to drunk to watch TV:
You said the same crap back in the fall and got your backsides handed to you. Draw some new cards.
Nobody likes a loser
TnGelding
June 9th, 2009
6:17 pm
radiowxman
June 9th, 2009
4:28 pm
You visit foreign countries at your own peril. Especially unstable ones with deranged dictators. Don’t expect the threat of war to try to get you released if you are detained.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1903590,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:18 pm
PAUL–”address why Pres Obama is exempt from the scorn.”
Rachel Maddow did.
Paul
June 9th, 2009
6:22 pm
josef nix
and?
DannyX
June 9th, 2009
6:25 pm
Plenty of proof Bush is a Muslim
Walked hand and hand with that Saudi prince in that strict Muslim country
Led a war against the infidel Sadam in Iraq which will now be run by Muslims.
And the statement Bush made.”The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.” Disgusting!!!!
He quoted the Qur’an. He said HOLY Qur’an. Bush hates Jesus.
Chris Salzmann
June 9th, 2009
6:26 pm
josef nix June 9th, 2009 6:01 pm SAID:
It does answer my question. Chris, for G-d’s sake, I was just wondering! I am not of the Obama is a Muslim crowd. I am painfully aware that he is a practicing Christian (Prop 8, and sorry DB and @@ but it IS germane here). My reason for asking was simply that we don’t know how lucky we are to live in a society which does not practice this………………….
The second point I was aiming for is that under the strictest interpretation of Sharia, one is required to kill the apostate and, were he registered as a Muslim in a Muslim society, this would make him a target of the fundamentalists.
Don’t be so knee-jerk. Like you, I am alarmed by those who would call him a Muslim and, even if he were, find that to be something to be in a dither about……………..
CHRIS SAYS: Sorry, I didn’t get the irony.
Actually, there is no danger of his being accused of apostasy since (according to Shariah) you have to willingly and without duress, admit to having being a Muslim in the first place. Obama never admitted to that so the charge of apostasy doesn’t exist. Even his father, though born Muslim, was a self admitted atheist.
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:29 pm
She just asked that he live up to his promises and his professed faith. She’s a good liberal who’s not giving H-m a free pass.
RW-(the original)
June 9th, 2009
6:29 pm
Since when is Texas a strict Muslim country?
AmVet
June 9th, 2009
6:29 pm
Josef, as an MOT whose mom and grandparents fled Germany, I can assure you it is in jest.
One of the regular trolls here thinks I’m an anti-Semite though!
I laugh when I think that it was not very long ago at all, and especially here in the deep south, that sentiment I made fun of was very much alive and well.
Between us and Those People, the good old boys had their hands full.
Nothing much has changed down here from what I can see – just the faces.
Now it’s the Mexicalis and the Sandies that they loathe overtly…
getalife
June 9th, 2009
6:30 pm
Isakson paid tribute to wingnut wooten on the Senate floor.
Sad but true .
josef nix
June 9th, 2009
6:39 pm
CHRIS–Thank you for being a gentleman. I must admit the irony was not clear, but I wanted to see the reaction…viva la reaccion! The hair splitting on the Shariah is of interest to me, coming as I do from a long, long line of rabbis! That was also why I was wondering if he had been registered as a non-believer which my Indonesian informant say is an option under Indonesian civil registry of population, in which case we could call H-m a non believer…continuing with the hair splitting and just playing devil’s advocate, was H-s school in Indonesia secular or Islamic? If the latter, would not H- have recited the prayer, “there is but one G-d, All-h and Mohmmad is H-s prophet…” Would that have been willing and without duress…? Just wondering…
bull god
June 9th, 2009
6:40 pm
obama is the greatest president of this century
a god if you will
Chris Salzmann
June 9th, 2009
6:40 pm
Did anyone notice that Hannity edited part of Obama’s speech in Cairo to make the claim that he wanted to give supporters of 9/11 a “voice”? LOL…..you know desperation when they resort to tactics like that.
On another note, our Right-Wing extremists and Muslim extremists have a lot in common. Obama’s message of tolerance and understanding is poison to both of them. They both believe that the other is going to hell. They both want this to become a war of civilizations. And they both consider Obama to be a “Wise Enemy” (a comment reportedly thrown around by extremist Islamic blogs). Next thing, they’ll probably join forces in the “common cause”.
DoggoneGA
June 9th, 2009
6:40 pm
“Doggone/GA, what do you want to be when you get reincarnated?”
I want to be one of my dogs! THAT would be a real trick, wouldn’t it?